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Welcome to the

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lively show. Let's

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explore the beauty

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of being alive.

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Maria, thank you

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so much for

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coming on the

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show today. Thank

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you for inviting

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me. It's my pleasure.

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I am so excited to have you back on.

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When I first kind of told the audience

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last week that you were going to come

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on the show, I forgot that you came

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on to talk about NATO returns. I talked

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to you all the time that I forget

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when you ever come on the show. But

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it's good to have you back. Do you

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want to tell everyone who you are and

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where you live and all that good stuff

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in case they miss that episode? Yeah, yeah,

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sure, sure. For those who don't know me,

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I am your friend who is an astrologer.

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try to do practical astrology. What I

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believe in is I'm a huge fan

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of astrology. I think it is a

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fantastic tool that helps us find sometimes

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a lot of answers, find a lot

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of guidance, but at the same time

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it's something like very spiritual and what

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I do and because I came here

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from a logical point of view, I

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try to combine it with everyday life

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in my practice. So I believe that

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you're in a voice and your intuition

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always guide you. they are number one,

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but astrology is a fantastic tool to

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find the answers faster. So that's why

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I am a huge fan of it

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because I found mine and I was

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pretty surprised with them. So yeah, this

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is what I do and what I

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believe in. I love that. Yeah, it's funny,

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you and our kind of opposites in

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that way with astrology, if I'm not

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mistaken, that when you read my chart,

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you're like, you're already doing everything. So

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please don't think that I'm just telling

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you about yourself because I know you,

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but this is in the chart. But

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you told me that you were actually

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kind of doing the opposite of what

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was in your chart until you

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learned about astrology. understanding who

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we are through a lot of different

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means, right? It can be, I don't

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know, psychology, it can be reading self-help

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books, it can be a lot of

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cognitive stuff like brain stuff, it can

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be intuition and in a voice and

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just... connecting to your higher

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self. In the end of the day,

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the goal is to understand who we

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are and what we came here to

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do and what is right for us

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and stuff. And when we just first

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met, I was so inspired by you

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because when we were talking and I

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was telling you about your chart, you

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were already activating it. You were doing

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things. according to your energies, but

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on the higher level, so you've

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already very much aligned to what

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you're supposed to be. So it

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was very inspiring to see a

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great example. I, on the other side, always

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knew who I am, but I was very

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much in my brain. I was not very

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much aligned on my intuition some years ago,

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and I was just leaving how society tells

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me to live in a way. And when

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I came to astrology and... I've read something

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that I need to do, I realize that

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because of these placements that are not, they

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are not easy for me, they are just

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generally not easy in my chart, they were

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not actually flowing that much. And I was

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never really doing an effort doing them. And

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once I started doing them, I was like,

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wait, what has it always been

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possible? The world completely changed around

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me. Like amazing people, amazing opportunities.

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Started turning around. So like once

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you like step into your own

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self. you feel so much more

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aligned with the universe. So this

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is basically what happened to me

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and that was what really excited

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me about you when we met. I

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know, I was thinking about this. I

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obviously love astrology, but I think the

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reason I love astrology is because I

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love you telling me about astrology very

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specifically. Like if I do a chat

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TVT, it doesn't hit the same. If

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I read things, it doesn't hit the

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same. I've had other astrology, you know,

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readings, especially before meeting you occasionally here

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and there, and it just, it was

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fine. But I just really love

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your examples and interpretations of things

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for me as a person when

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I'm going through transits, but also

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just when you explain things. And

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I did my best, Maria, to

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share about Saturn the other day

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on the show. And then I

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told you about it in a

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catch-up call. And you're like, you're

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not even in that category yet.

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So I was like, oh my

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goodness. Now, actually, let's start. We're

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going to talk about Saturn, guys,

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because I'm really... lit up about

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this aspect of astrology and learning

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how to flow with what it

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is and what it's bringing to

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us. But before we get to

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that, Maria, when I told them

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how to find where Saturn is

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in their chart, I was using

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what you called was like the

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equal house version versus the non

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equal houses. Do you want to

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share why in your version of

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astrology, I'm not even in the

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money side of it yet? Yeah.

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So there are two ways to

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look at our chart. There is

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a full... houses full sign system

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and there is a Placidus system.

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Placidus system is different because it

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measures your houses and houses are

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areas of life in your life,

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shown in your chart, right? So

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the houses in astrology can be

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measured differently and Placidus measures them

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not equally. So some houses can

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be really small, some houses can

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be much bigger. It basically just

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shows sometimes if this area of

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life occupies a bit more space

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in your daily life or if

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it occupies less, but in no

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way it makes any area of

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your life less, you still can

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open up and you have a

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lot of potential in each and

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every area of your life. I

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just like the not equal houses

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more because they give this cute

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precision of some little things that

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happen versus like... equal charts they

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give a little bit more generalization

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while both of them work. I

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have in my practice not that

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for me personally, I do not

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associate myself so much with equal

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houses. However, I have seen a

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lot of my colleagues who do

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and who find it amazing. It's

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just different ways of looking at

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things. I have found that in

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my experience on my chart, the

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most exciting things, or sometimes not

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very exciting things, because there are

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different types of transit, happened to

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me when a planet would enter

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a house. And because the houses

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are not equal, it could happen in

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the middle of the sign for me

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and for the clients. And because I

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saw that for myself, I obviously advocate

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for this type of astrology because it

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just works for me better. And I

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think for my clients, it works pretty

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well as well. Yeah, and so when

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I said that my second house is

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Pisces and that my money house is

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where Saturn has been for the last

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few years, you've said it's actually still

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been in my first house, but it's

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about to enter the money house for

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me soon. So you were saying I

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was getting the heads up from my

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inner voice of where it's heading

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to next. Yes, thank you. So

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your second house, the house of

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money, like it's money. it's a

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generalization. It's physical possessions, it's just

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your kind of physical world with

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money fall into this category as

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well. So it's still in Pisces, so you're

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still, the first approach that you take when

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it comes to money is still through the

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Pisces lens. However, through Placidus system, it starts

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almost in the end of the sign and

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your first house is actually a very big

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house, like you, how you show up to

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the world, who you are who you are

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who you are, who you are, who you

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are, who you are, who you are, it's

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generally just like a bigger part in a

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way. So what was happening for you with

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Saturn is that it was already in the

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sign that was relating to your second

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house of monies and but it still

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was in the first house. So what

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I have noticed and it's actually have

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been very exciting to see through you.

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I'm not sure if I told you

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that. I think I did. That when

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Saturn is a very slow planet

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and when it goes through our

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chart it takes a long time

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to change the house. Too long.

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It's so long. I can't believe

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it. Three years of this thing

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sitting in one spot. Yeah and

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usually you can start feeling it

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before it enters your house. And

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basically it's very funny because if

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you activate and you do your

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homework before it enters your house,

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then it actually can bring you

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much more joy than in normal times

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because usually Saturn can associate

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of bringing not actually joy,

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but on the contrary some

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struggles in a way. Exactly, and

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that's why I want to dive into

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this and go deeper and have you

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actually clarify everything I did not understand

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when I was talking about it fully.

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So we first house, I think that

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I would actually look back on the

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few years that this has been in

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my first house. Could you say that

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the health aspects of my griping and

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complaining and then finding the illumination and

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renaissance of that aspect of my life

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in the last maybe four to six

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months? actually no like three or four

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months is kind of related to the

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first house like I finally got on

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board with what Saturn was doing in

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the first house maybe yeah 100% I think

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you did your homework really well I

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complained for two years Maria don't let's

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not give myself too much credit on

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the on the first house thing yeah

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it was really I was complaining and

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I think I hit a lot of

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this the phases that we experience when

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Saturn is in a house and we

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don't realize it and we don't know

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what you know and so that's why

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I want what you know about Saturn

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to be known by my audience to

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help them so that they are now

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savvy and aware because I didn't have

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to live the last two years it's been

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in my first house the way I lived

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it had I known earlier. Now I kind

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of caught on about the money thing and

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where it's going next so I'm going to

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be able to do this better going

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forward, but I want to have everybody

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now being able to go forward in

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a really great way because we still

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have one more year of where it's

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at now and then it's going to

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change. So, okay, let's talk about, you

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asked me to ask you first about

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Jupiter versus Saturn and like you guys.

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for you listening, I don't really know

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what the planets really are. That level

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of astrology is kind of beyond me

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in terms of Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury, that

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kind of stuff. We're not going to

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go through all the planets. We'll start

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with mostly Saturn, but you wanted me

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to explain or ask you about it

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in relation to Jupiter. Why? Because this

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is usually two planets, that when people

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look at the transits or in positions

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in the chart, when they read the

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burst chart, these are the two planets

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that are social planets and they usually

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compare it to each other. And Jupiter

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is always compared to this like guardian

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angel that opens up energies, that gives

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you new opportunities and stuff. And while

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it does, and obviously it also has

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some shadow areas for itself, while it

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does, what I have seen. that Jupiter

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gives you a more short-time benefits versus

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Saturn. However, Saturn usually is perceived like

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a very bad planet. The planet that

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freezes everything makes everything bad. It just

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like doesn't give any opportunities. It shrinks

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your areas of life where it goes.

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And it just feels like a very

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depressed and it's literally associated with depression.

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Jupiter is associated with optimism and Saturn

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is associated with depression. But in reality,

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it's not actually the case. Saturn is

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the planet that you need to understand

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and know what to do with it.

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And this is my favorite planet out

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of all, because once you know what

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to do with it, you can just

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ride the wave that never ends. So

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how I see Saturn and that will

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make it so much easier for you

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to understand. I see Saturn as this

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old granddad that is very reserved, very

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serious. He knows how... you're supposed to

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live and generally if he is not

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there you are just having fun you

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are just with your friends and having

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parties and stuff but when he comes

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there he controls how you're living your

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life and if you are not taking

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responsibilities or you feel like if you

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are just being completely careless in your

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life then he will punish you so

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you become more adult. So like I

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like to explain it in a situation

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like imagine you are a kid and

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you have to do your homework. and

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you are just playing, I don't know,

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those or dreams, like I'm just not

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caring for the home task. the Saturn

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comes and checks on you. He sees,

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home task is not done, you have

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to do a lot of stuff, so

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he stands, like maybe he busy with

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the stick, you know, I know he

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stands on top of you, and he

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like takes all the joy away from

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you, you become depressed and you have

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to do it and sit and like

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really force yourself to actually work hard,

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you know, you have to work hard,

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he makes you work hard for something,

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it depends on the area of

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your life. comes back home and

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everything is done. And you are

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clean, your hair is brushed, home

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task is done, homework is done,

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everything is done. What his reaction

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will be. He will be very

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proud of you and most probably he

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will give you some pocket money. I

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don't know, just you can spend on

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some fun stuff, you know? So this

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is exactly the energy of Saturn. If

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you ignore it and you just

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don't look at this area, then most

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probably you will experience some hard time.

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However, he never wants you to suffer.

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He only wants you to show

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you the way, but he just doesn't

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know another way, then through... like discomfort

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in a way. Tough love. Yeah, it's

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totally tough love. But in the

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end of the day, when Saturn

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gives benefits from your hard work,

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it gives benefits that are much

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more long term and much more

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significant. So just for you. to

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understand, Saturn is a planet that also

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rules Capricorn. And if you think about

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Capricorn, in the top, top, top position,

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you would see like a great professional

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who is a CEO of a company,

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who has everything under control, who has

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like money and stuff, but he gets

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there through hard work in a way.

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So this is basically what the final

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result can be if you know how

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to deal with Saturn energy. One of

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the things you mentioned, I love that

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and thank you, I hope that really

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helps other people. You said that to

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me and that was super clarifying because,

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let's use me as a guinea pig

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of this as a life example. So

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I didn't know about Saturn and any

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of what she just said, but I

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had the health stuff started to, I

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had like pre-pary menopause and like low

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estrogen symptoms showing up and. I decided

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to go on birth control as they

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all know and then I didn't like

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the systemic effects that I had. I

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like, like some of it, but not

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all of it. And so I sat

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there without. not wanting to go without

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any support and supplementation of hormones, but

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at the same time with that, that

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still wasn't great. And I was really

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lamenting the fact that before that period

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of my life, so around my 36,

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37, 38 period of my life, I

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was in body heaven. I was in

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total alignment, I was flowing, I was

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with my inner voice, I was just

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doing what felt aligned in eating 10

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and of 10, moving 10 and it

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was just life was easy. And when

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it entered... into this like dipping of

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the estrogen and then the birth control

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and stuff, all those systems that felt

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so natural and automatic and non-mental or

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non-affected at all, totally shifted. And I

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really kept trying to go back to

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the way that it used to be,

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but it wasn't functioning that way. And

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then I looked for alternative answers. And

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my inner voice said, don't go back

15:47

to the past solutions, go into the

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future. And so I didn't know what

15:51

that meant until one of our listeners

15:53

gave me the tip about DNA and

15:56

peptides. And obviously when I went into

15:58

that, I kind of then got the

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homework assignment. started doing the homework after

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I found a pathway that wasn't on

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old version of a path that people

16:06

in the years ago used to use and

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I found the one my inner voice

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kind of wanted me to go

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into. But then once I did I

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loved it and I started to get

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all the results and I feel like

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the payoff of what Saturn had to

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offer. So I resisted though heavily in

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the very beginning of the stuff

16:26

not functioning like it used to do

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you think that's normal for people that

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when it goes into a house that

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things that used to maybe flow easily

16:35

naturally without having much effort or thought

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change like I had that happen for

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me yes it's a very good example

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that you gave and I would

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say maybe yours is very bright

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example but one of the brightest

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examples is actually Saturn return that

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usually happens in our life when

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we are around 29 years old

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plus minus what happens Saturn It kind

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of blocks everything that you were

16:58

doing, but you were not doing it

17:00

with wisdom and responsibility, because it wants

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you to grow up. It wants you

17:05

to take responsibility. It wants you to

17:07

level up your knowledge. And if something

17:09

was easy before, it usually blocks it,

17:12

because maybe it's not your way. It

17:14

wants you to grow up. Saturn loves

17:16

you being a grown-up. So what basically

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happened is that you were just flowing

17:21

and it was easy and stuff, but

17:23

it's normal that our bodies... change,

17:25

right? So you had to take a

17:27

very conscious adult approach and say,

17:30

yes, I'm going to... study the

17:32

subject and I'm going to understand

17:34

how it works. The same thing

17:37

happens with Saturn return. We feel

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Saturn all the time. It's always

17:41

in our chart, it's always in

17:44

the transits and stuff, but the

17:46

biggest change we usually feel around

17:48

28. So before 28 we're kind

17:51

of like finding out who we

17:53

are, we are like partying nonstop

17:55

till midnight or midnight. This is

17:58

because we are in Portugal. and

18:00

then you go to the after

18:02

party and just like life is

18:04

full of mistakes that go easily

18:06

like you do mistake tomorrow you

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wake up and you're still fine

18:11

right but you do need to

18:13

mature you came here to mature

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as a person so what's happening

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does when it like makes the

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full and let me explain what

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return of the Saturn is. It's

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basically the full circle that Saturn

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does and when he meets with

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the birth chart Saturn the transit

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meets with the birth chart placement.

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So basically what happens he blocks

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up this free energy from the universe

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that was allowing you to make mistakes

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and he says now it will cost

18:41

you more but through this pain you

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will learn and it will like

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you will really like the result.

18:48

So what usually happens when certain

18:50

returns and when certain have like

18:52

enters some area of your life,

18:55

usually you have to reevaluate and

18:57

relearn something that you have been

18:59

doing and mature in this area.

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For example, people pleasers who

19:04

have been, I don't know, being like

19:06

good girls all their life and just

19:08

doing. everything that they can for others

19:10

and forgetting about themselves suddenly have a

19:12

burnout suddenly getting an abusive relationship or

19:14

something like that and they're like I

19:16

just can't bury it anymore I need

19:18

to do something so they have to

19:20

learn how to protect their boundaries and

19:22

to become adults and take responsibility for

19:24

themselves and just like leave get another

19:26

job like it but it takes courage

19:28

to do this and usually you do

19:31

not want to make drastic changes in

19:33

your life when it's just not fun

19:35

and cool and usually Saturn kind of

19:37

helps us for the outside a little

19:39

bit to pushes in the right direction.

19:41

The cool thing about Saturn is that it

19:43

allows you to mature and in the end

19:45

of the day it always win. As long

19:47

as you look there. Oh yes, I remember

19:49

what I wanted to say. I

19:51

wanted to say that there is kind

19:54

of like a little situation about Saturn.

19:56

Saturn, basically what we're talking about here,

19:59

we're talking about... about the broad spectrum.

20:01

We're talking about where the Saturn is

20:03

in your chart, where it's going in

20:05

right now, where, for example,

20:08

capricol placements are in your chart.

20:10

So it's all kind of like

20:12

general energy that is Saturn related.

20:14

So anything that is connected to

20:16

Saturn in your chart, these are

20:18

usually areas that feel like a

20:20

lot of responsibility, they feel like

20:22

a lot of things needs to

20:24

be done. And interestingly enough, it

20:26

always comes from. this sensation of

20:29

like, oh, this granddad is going

20:31

to come and check my home

20:33

task and maybe the home task

20:35

is not perfect, he is going

20:37

to make me redo it. So

20:39

I'm just so afraid even to

20:41

start because I'm afraid to make

20:43

this mistake. And this is something

20:45

that blocks us usually from actually

20:47

activating Saturn is the inner perfectionism

20:49

in these areas of our life.

20:51

For example, maybe you could have

20:53

gone into DNA and peptides earlier

20:55

because you were just curious, but

20:57

before... Like, maybe it was just

20:59

flowing perfectly in some other way,

21:02

so you never actually looked at

21:04

this area, right? So, once we

21:06

have a struggle, in a way, we

21:08

usually don't look there for some time.

21:10

We are afraid and we're like, it feels

21:13

so much, it feels so heavy. I

21:15

don't think this was with your health.

21:17

I think it was more with your

21:19

Saturn is in your birth chart, but

21:21

in general, like... when we have to

21:23

start something new and we have to

21:25

understand for example taxes or paperwork and

21:27

when you have to understand this it

21:30

feels like so so so heavy so

21:32

what we do is we procrastinate and

21:34

we never start and Saturn obviously doesn't

21:36

like it so it beats us with

21:38

some situations like I don't know we

21:40

have to pay an extra tax or

21:42

something like that you know so there

21:45

are situations that are always triggering us

21:47

however the key to success with Saturn

21:49

energy is not, you always will be

21:51

afraid. It's kind of like, because it

21:53

freezes, it's just the energy itself is

21:55

not very welcoming. But once you step

21:58

into the fear and you say, Okay,

22:00

I'm just gonna do it not perfect.

22:02

I'm gonna do it three out of

22:04

five, maybe even two out of five.

22:06

I'm just gonna do it. It doesn't

22:08

matter. Because once you do it a

22:11

little bit, you're like, oh, actually, I

22:13

was dreading it for two months and

22:15

I did it in two minutes and

22:17

it was not scary at all. Maybe

22:19

I can do another little step. and

22:21

you do another little step and you

22:24

find out a little bit more and

22:26

then you're like oh actually the responsibility

22:28

and the perfectionism was just my fears

22:30

and I can actually move forward and

22:32

then you move forward and you accomplish

22:34

that and you become a wise responsible

22:37

adult that took responsibility did something and

22:39

then it just pays off in a

22:41

very beautiful way. I literally had that

22:43

happen yesterday so I do think I'm

22:45

playing I'm playing into the pre-homework phase

22:47

knowing not like knowing slash, like, let's

22:50

say, aligning to the fact that it's

22:52

going into money. So I, a few

22:54

weeks ago, got that download from my

22:56

inner voice about the fact that this

22:58

is where it wants me to master.

23:00

And when you keep saying mature, I

23:03

keep thinking in a fun way, you

23:05

know, a little bit older in the

23:07

spectrum of life, like mastery. Like, mastering,

23:09

like, instead of mature, I think 28,

23:11

I think maturing feels appropriate. But I

23:13

think in your 40s, I'm thinking, mastering,

23:15

like, I had mastered the art of

23:18

flow with the body beforehand, but I

23:20

hadn't mastered, like, the body, like, the

23:22

body, like, I hadn't had to study

23:24

it. I just, like, let my inner

23:26

voice take care of it all. Now

23:28

I actually, not only let my inner

23:31

voice take care of it all, but

23:33

I know how to also mentally, mentally,

23:35

mentally, mentally, mentally, now to maintain it

23:37

in a better way. And it's going,

23:39

as I said, into money. So here's

23:41

a fun story. So my accountants in

23:44

the US, I've been dealing with the

23:46

UK visa, the UK tax return from

23:48

2023 to 2024, and the US 2024

23:50

taxes all in the same last two

23:52

weeks. So there's a lot of back

23:54

and forths as visas, lawyers, and accountants

23:57

from both countries. And my US accountants

23:59

asked me a question two or three

24:01

days ago. company, we're not giving you

24:03

a US salary, because that's the salary

24:05

I'm getting, you know, paying my

24:07

stuff with. So because of that, I've had

24:09

my. retirement account on autopilot taking deductions every

24:12

month from my bank account into my retirement

24:14

account in the US since I was like

24:16

25 or something crazy like forever and it's

24:19

been on autopilot so all of this happened

24:21

at the end of December I didn't

24:23

know any obviously I was avoiding and not

24:25

looking at it all just kind of going

24:28

with the flow and then the other day

24:30

it said they said in like this

24:32

like list of things they needed me to

24:34

do or needed from me to finish the

24:36

taxes they're like by the way these

24:38

deposits for the year into your IRA

24:40

and you need to withdraw that out

24:42

and take it out because you can't

24:44

do that if you're self-employed and didn't

24:47

pay yourself a self like a self-employment

24:49

wage. So I in my head literally

24:51

lit like I've walked the Saturn thing

24:53

right I was like they're never going

24:55

to let me take my my retirement out

24:57

this is going to be horrible this

24:59

is going to be like taking money

25:01

out of Fort Knox I feel like

25:03

a burglar like the way my mind

25:05

made the story of getting this money

25:07

out of the account. was horrified. And

25:10

so I like steadied myself because the

25:12

awareness of, okay, you have to take

25:14

responsibility, I like, I in a more

25:16

immature state was so triggered by this,

25:18

I didn't have this state. actually happen

25:20

because I was aware, but I realize

25:22

if I was less mature than I

25:24

am now and less cluding about the

25:27

fact that I need to go into

25:29

this stuff from all my inner voice

25:31

letters lately, I easily could have been

25:33

really complaining in my head about the

25:35

fact that they didn't tell me this

25:37

sooner. and that I could have avoided because I

25:40

hear I am thinking it's Fort Knox and there's

25:42

no way they're going to let me take it

25:44

out and the government's going to take it all

25:46

as a penalty for doing that in the first

25:48

place by accident. How dare you put the money

25:51

in when you don't deserve to? I didn't know

25:53

until December that we needed to change it. Didn't

25:55

know that that payment. I wasn't even looking at

25:57

that stuff. Anyways. So yesterday I said, I was

25:59

like. I studied myself, I had two days where

26:01

I was like, I'm not gonna worry about this

26:03

until Thursday when I have the time to deal

26:05

with it. So I. got to the Soho

26:08

House, I did my aligning time,

26:10

and I just said, thank you.

26:12

I wrote back to all the

26:14

other comments, and I just said,

26:16

I will look into it and

26:18

get back to you. Instead of

26:20

complaining, instead of even mentally complaining,

26:22

without saying anything, I was an

26:24

adult. And then I chat chattiepeteed

26:27

it immediately, sent the blurb that

26:29

they sent me to chat. You've

26:31

said, how do I do I

26:33

do this? Because I was so

26:35

nervous. And I'm like nervous. This

26:37

is yesterday. And I'm like, I'm so

26:39

sorry. I didn't know that I was

26:41

supposed to not put the money in

26:43

thinking they're going to say, how dare

26:45

you? This is impossible. You've already had

26:48

it in there for the year. The

26:50

lady was really nice, her name was Chris,

26:52

and she totally said, don't worry, I

26:54

did it too, in her own accounts

26:56

this year. And she's walked me over

26:58

to this worksheet where you put it

27:00

in and blah blah blah. So I

27:02

screenshot at the worksheet so I make

27:04

sure that the numbers are entered correctly

27:06

by the accountant's desires. But it was

27:08

actually quite simple. And I felt so

27:10

empowered, the fact that here I was

27:12

thinking that this is going to be

27:14

an impossible task that is going to

27:16

be not possible. And actually. doing it

27:18

without complaining and doing my homework. It

27:21

was not, just like you said, exactly,

27:23

it was not as bad as I

27:25

thought it would be. And I feel much more

27:27

empowered that I just need to learn

27:29

more. It's not like this stuff is

27:31

set up against me. I just knowing

27:34

nothing don't know what to do with

27:36

any of it until I learn it.

27:38

I love it. This is amazing. This

27:40

is a very perfect example of and

27:42

how it works and how you approach

27:44

it. Oh my gosh, I'm so proud of

27:46

you. Because, well, yeah, fantastic, because

27:49

this is, we also discussed that

27:51

quite a lot, that it's, it's

27:53

always about fear, but once you

27:56

look there, it's just so, so

27:58

easy and it really imparts. And

28:00

while it's empowering, it also allows you

28:02

to know what needs to be under

28:04

control. For the future, you don't have

28:07

to control it, but you need to

28:09

know what needs to be under control.

28:11

So you can actually maybe outsource it

28:13

for your accountants and being like, wait,

28:16

like did you check that? Is that

28:18

checked? Is this text paid and stuff?

28:20

So once you address it, the great

28:22

energy about Saturn is that... it's kind

28:25

of like going from little to a

28:27

lot. So at first you don't know

28:29

anything and you're very very afraid. Then

28:32

you do the first step and it's

28:34

not perfect, but you kind of manage

28:36

through and then you go further further

28:38

and then you know so much more.

28:41

And then you know so much more

28:43

it's easier to outsource as well, you

28:45

know, so it's easier to hire people

28:47

who are right for that, you know,

28:50

but you do like a certain likes

28:52

you to do it from scratch. do.

28:54

Like usually it's more Jupiter energy and

28:56

then it will lose a lot of

28:59

like there will be a lot of

29:01

mistakes because it's a bigger scale that

29:03

we are looking at. But if you

29:05

want something that is very like important

29:08

for you when you go step by

29:10

step and basically I would like one

29:12

of the things that's actually like a

29:14

trick for Saturn and Saturn energy is

29:17

an instruction, right? So the reason why

29:19

you're afraid is because you just don't

29:21

know how to do it? And you

29:24

just need to get an instruction. So,

29:26

okay, you did a fantastic job asking

29:28

Chad GPT actually helped me a lot

29:30

because I do have a lot of

29:33

Saturn energy in my chart. So I

29:35

was afraid to do a lot of

29:37

things before, but Chad GPT does guide

29:39

you in the first steps and then

29:42

you do it and you're like, wait,

29:44

that was not strange at all. But

29:46

there are some areas of relationships or

29:48

you're Saturn is in the house of...

29:51

money as well, you know, like in

29:53

your chart, you know, so you genuinely

29:55

like feel always that things are not

29:57

enough in your... afraid to do that.

30:00

And the key to success there is

30:02

not only to make small steps, but

30:04

to also learn an instruction. Because somebody

30:07

before you has already done it, you

30:09

know, just ask them, just go to

30:11

a course, just read a book, just

30:13

read a book, just judge repeated, just

30:16

get an instruction for the first steps,

30:18

you do the first steps, you find

30:20

out it's actually more empowering than scary,

30:22

and then you move forward and you

30:25

like... You're not scared of anything

30:27

anymore. You're just like, let's go

30:29

on a new adventure. That's what

30:31

I really like because the sensation

30:33

afterwards is very, very empowering. You're

30:35

so right. Yeah, I literally have just

30:37

walked through this in both sides.

30:40

And so coming out the high

30:42

end of the returns on investment

30:44

on the health side, then getting

30:46

slapped with the money is next

30:48

kind of thing, it was so

30:50

fascinating because I'm coming on the

30:52

vibrational high, high, high, high, high,

30:54

a peptides and feeling like I've

30:57

got it in motion, it's happening,

30:59

it's flowing. One thing I want

31:01

to say that you haven't said

31:03

yet, just to clarify for everyone,

31:05

Why, once it's in the chart and you

31:07

get it going, you don't have to

31:09

stay obsessed about that subject the rest

31:12

of your life. It's just a short

31:14

period of time where you do the

31:16

homework. It's not like you're constantly there

31:18

for forever after having to master the same

31:20

subject, right? So this is only for a

31:22

short while that we need to do the

31:25

deep dive into mastery of that area. I

31:27

would say this is what you are referring

31:29

to, has to do with transits, if the

31:31

sub is traveling through your chart and it

31:33

goes into a house, or it goes on

31:36

a planet, it also can influence that quite

31:38

a lot. Usually you have to address it,

31:40

but even though it's very slow, it moves

31:42

away and then the focus shifts. So you

31:44

are completely right, you do not have to

31:47

be obsessed about it all the time. If

31:49

you have a placement that is permanent in

31:51

your chart, for example, every single chart has

31:53

Saturn somewhere. Right? So your Saturn is in

31:56

a nice house as well as mine

31:58

and that's why we complete. connected

32:00

on our visa histories. It's just

32:02

been a blast to have somebody else

32:04

in the same. I was just

32:07

saying the blast to have the

32:09

Saturn in the Ninth House as

32:11

an expat. No it's not. No,

32:13

no, no. It's not. Usually like

32:15

basically it's a Well, Nine's House,

32:17

let me explain what it means

32:19

for us, and maybe somebody else

32:21

will relate. Nine's House has to

32:23

do with foreign countries, higher education,

32:25

everything that is different, and everything

32:27

that is maybe also philosophy related.

32:29

I don't really see in the

32:31

moment what philosophy related example can

32:33

be, but foreign countries is basically

32:35

when you go to a foreign country,

32:37

you have to deal with new laws,

32:40

new systems, new taxes, new documents and

32:42

stuff. And I have... always been very

32:44

very afraid to go into these things and

32:46

once it took me I think like six

32:48

months to call my accountant to ask something

32:51

that I was really worried about for

32:53

six months it was super minor this

32:55

one phone call solved it and it

32:57

was just no problem at all but

32:59

for six months I was like in

33:01

huge anxiety because of the subject because

33:03

I heard some. But was it because

33:05

it was so obviously you guys don't

33:08

know this from this episode in conversation?

33:10

Maria's Russian and lives in Portugal. Were

33:12

you afraid of calling the accountant because

33:14

it was the Portuguese accounting system, not

33:16

the Russian? Yeah, it was a Portuguese

33:18

accounting system. It was here already when

33:20

I'm living in Portugal and there was something

33:22

that I did not know about accounting and

33:25

I was really afraid that I might be

33:27

doing something wrong, you know? In the end

33:29

of the day, everything was right. I just

33:31

was afraid to ask. So what I was

33:33

telling, let's come back to the information that

33:35

I wanted to say, is that if you

33:37

have a permanent placement in your chart, this

33:40

area is more permanent for you to

33:42

be responsible in. So you can't really

33:44

just like master yourself there and then

33:46

forget about it because there are always

33:49

new things that you have to control.

33:51

So basically it doesn't mean that you

33:53

have to be obsessed about this area

33:55

all the time, but you can be

33:58

looking there from time to time. taking

34:00

the responsible check up after you have mastered

34:02

it. I see. So yeah, with Deny's house

34:04

is you get the visa, you make the

34:07

process flowing, but then you find out what

34:09

is going on right now is the loss.

34:11

What else you need to do? Like you

34:13

always address the subject and then Saturn will

34:16

be like, okay, sure, here's your payoff, you

34:18

know, like whatever you want to do. I

34:20

actually feel like minor voice, I asked it

34:22

many a time as you can imagine, why

34:25

would you throw me around the world so

34:27

many places and then give me this is

34:29

the Saturn placement and it said, well, this

34:32

is like of all the areas, the easiest

34:34

one to be in, you know, at least

34:36

it's not in something more substantial in your

34:38

life. And I'm like, well, I guess it's

34:41

a very specific scenario, but for those that

34:43

have it in a more specific case scenario

34:45

like money or relationships, like you mentioned earlier.

34:47

What is that? That sounds pretty heavy almost

34:50

to me to hear about always having to

34:52

deal with that. Yeah, 100% and I would

34:54

tell you the majority of people who come

34:56

to me with Saturn struggles come from having

34:59

their Saturn in the areas that have to

35:01

do with their money or career and their

35:03

relationships. The rest, the other areas, they're just

35:06

not so prominent and they are struggling sometimes,

35:08

but not... all the time. So usually what

35:10

happens in this area is for example if

35:12

you have starting in your second house and

35:15

house of money you would always feel like

35:17

money is not enough that you have to

35:19

count it that it just like the money

35:21

is not flowing and you would be and

35:24

basically like the the advice that I used

35:26

to give and now I obviously I'm so

35:28

much deeper into understanding Saturn and I understand

35:30

that it doesn't feel right in the moment.

35:33

I usually say, oh, you need to scale

35:35

up, you need to grow up in the

35:37

career ladder in the money area because the

35:40

more you grow, the more you understand how

35:42

your industry works, the more money you will

35:44

get. And people be like, no, but I

35:46

need to control these little things because if

35:49

I don't, I don't know. So

35:51

type an email, whatever,

35:53

something very basic, then

35:55

everything is going to

35:58

fall. So it's very

36:00

difficult to actually level

36:02

up in this area.

36:05

Or if, for example,

36:07

it's in the area

36:09

of the relationships, it

36:11

usually feels like they

36:14

just don't work out.

36:16

Something is off, like

36:18

you just feel you have

36:20

to do it in some kind of

36:22

way, but this way is very perfect in

36:24

your head, you know, and with money

36:26

as well. So it's never the end of

36:28

the world. I actually, I have seen

36:30

a lot of successful people, a lot

36:33

of people who succeeded in their areas

36:35

with Saturn in displacements, is the same

36:37

approach. The more you address it slowly,

36:39

and basically what you do, you address

36:41

two things. First of all, you address

36:43

your fear of being imperfect, because you

36:45

don't need to make a mistake to

36:47

be able to move forward. So you

36:49

address the fear, you try, you do

36:51

a mistake, then you try again. Like

36:53

you do need to force yourself to

36:56

at least one little step. So you

36:58

move forward. And the second

37:00

one, you address your

37:02

personal boundaries, because Saturn has

37:04

a lot to do

37:06

with the sensation of like

37:08

guilt and shame. So

37:11

basically people will be like, oh, like

37:13

I have money. I have just earned,

37:15

for example, I've earned, I don't know,

37:17

5k. But my mom is

37:19

like really ill and I need to give

37:21

4k 900 to her, you know, and then

37:23

I'm not, I have no money anymore. So

37:26

you do need, of course, you have to

37:28

help, right? So, but you need to be

37:30

responsible, you need to protect your boundaries and

37:32

see when people are using you or if

37:34

you are doing something, because usually when we

37:36

don't protect the boundaries, we are just doing

37:38

something and people have no idea they're using

37:40

us. We just allowed people to do that

37:42

because they think it's fine, you know. But

37:44

once we were like, oh, but I really

37:46

don't like it. The

37:49

funniest thing is people love boundaries. If

37:51

you tell somebody that you don't like

37:53

something or this doesn't work for you,

37:55

they will be like, oh my gosh, a clear

37:57

path. I don't have to guess. Like. It's

38:00

easy for them to avoid your boundaries once

38:02

you are confident in them. But it is

38:04

a trick that we always have to learn.

38:06

And I'm still learning it. A lot of

38:09

people are still learning it. But it does

38:11

really help with sudden energy. And then, OK,

38:13

I said two, but there is a third

38:15

one. And the third one is to know

38:18

the instruction. If you have an instruction step

38:20

by step, it's just not so scary anymore.

38:22

I love that. So we need to go

38:24

from that avoiding and fear. And okay,

38:26

so I was riding high, I was

38:28

seeing this earlier to go back, I

38:30

was riding the victory lap, let's say,

38:32

of the health side of things. And

38:35

I was like. You know, you've heard

38:37

me going on about it. I like

38:39

sent you electrolytes to just a thank

38:41

you gift for doing a session for

38:43

a friend of mine to pay for

38:45

the session by sending you electrolytes that

38:47

I wanted you to try. Like I'm

38:49

obsessed now with health because I found

38:51

the pathway and the instruction, if you

38:53

will, that really works for me. So

38:55

I'm like riding that high. And then

38:58

obviously I'm like, the car is like,

39:00

okay, now it's turning on to go

39:02

here and here I am in the

39:04

beginning of January saying my years words

39:06

for the year are light and bright

39:08

I want to be brilliant. So I

39:10

was like, okay, let's look at money.

39:12

No, don't make me look, don't make

39:14

me look. And I'm like, wow, that's

39:16

not very light or bright at all.

39:19

Bella, sitting there trying to avoid looking.

39:21

And as we have said, guys, it's

39:23

not about making the money. Right. Our

39:25

voice wants me to learn to learn

39:27

to maintain and maintain and maintenance the

39:30

money in a wise, and actually that's

39:32

why Maria. So I've got the visa

39:34

stuff and money interlinked right

39:36

now. So I have like double Saturn. No

39:39

wonder I'm so resistant. Like I've

39:41

got my NATO chart ninth house

39:43

because I'm doing this with the

39:45

UK right now getting the visa

39:47

stuff sorted and all they're asking

39:49

for is the money stuff related

39:51

to the visa and money is

39:53

coming up. So I have like

39:55

double trouble on the Saturn responsibility

39:57

train right now because my NATO.

40:00

chart and my transit are

40:02

interlocking in my life. And so of

40:04

course I'm resisting this initially.

40:06

So, it's fantastic because actually when

40:08

we read transit we usually see

40:11

where the planet, where the Saturn

40:13

is, in which house, and it's

40:15

influencing that house, but it's also

40:17

influencing the house where it is

40:20

always. So not only you experience

40:22

that, but other people, like when

40:24

there is a, like for example,

40:27

it can be subject not money,

40:29

it can be something else, it

40:31

can be house or relationship. If

40:33

that gets like triggered in some

40:36

kind of way, it's still going to

40:38

influence where the natural Saturn is situated.

40:40

But it doesn't mean that it

40:42

will always influence your visa situation.

40:45

One thing amazing about astrology and

40:47

actually you are a perfect example

40:49

of that is that astrology has

40:51

a lot of levels, a lot

40:54

of like floors. in terms of

40:56

activation of a placement. So for

40:58

example, Saturn in the Ninth House

41:00

can mean things about visa, right? But

41:03

it can also mean like a number

41:05

of other things, right? So it doesn't

41:07

mean that you will be always stuck

41:09

at one subject during your life. Also

41:12

in positive ways, you know, like, so

41:14

the best way is if you are

41:16

struggling and you are seeing the area,

41:18

you can also see how you can...

41:20

For example, there is a subject and you

41:23

just can't face it and it's just so

41:25

difficult and stuff. What you can do as

41:27

a trick with astrology, you can go and

41:30

check the house and you can see the

41:32

levels and you can see like the floors

41:34

of the house, whatever, how like you just

41:36

Google it in some kind of way, it

41:39

will show you for sure, and you see

41:41

like another level. And you're like, okay, how

41:43

about I go there and show responsibility there?

41:46

You go and you distract Saturn and basically

41:48

the old granddad comes home and you're like,

41:50

wait, the homework, it's not important. Let's

41:52

go to the kitchen and I'll show

41:54

you how clean the dishes are. You know?

41:57

So wait, let's give it a, let's say

41:59

a relationship. Okay, the person's got

42:01

the Saturn in relationship. What would

42:03

that look like as far as

42:05

distracting Saturn and showing them the

42:07

dishes instead? So a relationship in

42:10

a way, it's. like this, the

42:12

relationship house, the seventh house, is

42:14

usually responsible for partnerships, right? So,

42:16

like, this is the major direction.

42:18

So, when we think about partnerships,

42:20

what we usually would think is

42:23

about romantic partnerships, like, oh, my

42:25

husband, or my long-term partner, or

42:27

anything like that, right? So, if

42:29

we are having struggles there, we

42:31

can't find somebody, or we are

42:33

just having struggles in the relationship,

42:36

because it just feels... unbearable, right?

42:38

So basically in the, if you're

42:40

having struggle there, what I would

42:42

recommend is obviously to address it

42:44

first, right? So for example, if

42:46

you can't find a partner, go

42:48

on some dating course, find out

42:51

how to talk with people that

42:53

you like, you know, just you

42:55

have to learn the phrases. Once

42:57

you learn the phrase, then you

42:59

talk. Like, you don't even have

43:01

to talk to the person that

43:04

you like, you just talk to

43:06

another random person and you understand

43:08

that it's not really scary to

43:10

flirt, it's not scary to do

43:12

that. And just, it elevates you.

43:14

And then, so the more you

43:17

learn how it's done, the more

43:19

you learn how the relationship is

43:21

done, it's easier, right? But if

43:23

it's so painful to look there,

43:25

and you're like, oh my gosh,

43:27

I just can't think about relationships.

43:30

long-term romantic partnership, maybe you have

43:32

a partner at work. So, and

43:34

then you feel like, oh, we

43:36

actually do not have our paperwork

43:38

in order. And it doesn't seem

43:40

that scary as addressing romantic life.

43:42

So maybe I'll just work out

43:45

our partnership deals and detail, maybe

43:47

that. Or it can be like

43:49

arranging something for your friend, because

43:51

partner is just a person. on

43:53

the other side of you, so

43:55

it can be a best friend

43:58

as well. So it just... addressing

44:00

some kind of subject that is

44:02

being stuck on another level. So

44:04

it can be basically answering your question.

44:06

It can be addressing the

44:09

romantic relationship, but it also

44:11

can be addressing the business

44:13

partnership. And just, for example,

44:15

hiring somebody who we will work,

44:17

it doesn't mean that it needs to be

44:19

an equal partnership. It generally should

44:22

be, but for example, you can

44:24

hire somebody to do your social

44:26

media. So you will be working

44:28

with this person. non-stop in a

44:30

pair, so you can just address

44:32

that area of your life and

44:34

establish better boundaries or something like

44:36

that. So it's always about seeing

44:39

the level and activating the level

44:41

with more responsibility if you're afraid

44:43

to look there. But obviously if you

44:45

look at the area that scares you

44:47

the most, the result will be the

44:49

most empowering there. Yeah, I love that and

44:51

I feel like I had this initial

44:53

euphoria coming off the first house high and

44:56

that because I mastered it and I

44:58

was doing the work and I was getting

45:00

the payoffs, you know, so once I was

45:02

getting the payoffs, I was like, you know,

45:04

rolling in the dough. outcome wise.

45:06

So then I got, no, not

45:09

money, not visa and money. Oh

45:11

my God. And I resisted it

45:13

for a while until I really

45:15

did. I really did have a

45:17

mental like cry, like a little

45:20

tantrum for a bit with my

45:22

inner voice like, no, I don't

45:24

want to go there. And then

45:26

I started to. Find my way to

45:28

understand what I didn't know and I

45:30

said I actually made myself a little

45:32

business course that I need to take

45:34

personally all the things and all the

45:36

appointments I need to have with the

45:38

accountants and the bookkeepers and the visa

45:40

lawyers to Understand everything and you know

45:42

what I have to also say is

45:44

bless my lucky stars that the astrology

45:46

is going into money because with the

45:48

visa and the money for me going

45:51

into a new business idea I need

45:53

to make sure this all works with

45:55

my visa and is done properly. So

45:57

this is coming up to a beautiful time

45:59

for me to be. taking responsibility and building

46:01

the foundation spander voice, show me a

46:03

crane, literally on the street in London.

46:05

It was like, that's what you're doing.

46:07

You're building out, you're digging out the

46:10

basement, the foundation of what you're, the

46:12

skyscraper you're gonna build. And you needed

46:14

to, you know, at some point, get

46:16

on board with doing that. And now

46:18

is the time before it's actually, like

46:21

you've put some things in place on

46:23

a faulty foundation. I'm actually starting with

46:25

digging out the rubble. building with steel

46:27

and beams that will last. And so

46:29

it's actually not against me, it's for

46:32

me. And then after my tantrum or

46:34

two, and the many letters I wrote

46:36

to my inner voice, and then the

46:38

actual inspired actions I've been taking, I

46:40

got on board guys. So it was

46:42

like, I really hated it at first

46:45

when I realized that's where it was

46:47

gonna go. And then. with the time

46:49

and the inner voicing and stuff. So

46:51

that's actually something to say. As far

46:53

as how does astrology blend with inner

46:56

voice, Maria? You got Saturn going somewhere.

46:58

Talk to your inner voice like I

47:00

have been doing, if you want to,

47:02

to find out all the guidance and

47:04

instruction and then take what the guidance

47:07

and instruction says to do. And if

47:09

you need practical steps, go to something

47:11

like Chatche PT to start getting started

47:13

on the nitty gritty of it all.

47:15

Yeah, I would say the inner voice

47:18

here is. extremely useful because most probably

47:20

it will show you the area where

47:22

the most fear is you know and

47:24

then you can actually address and find

47:26

out what happens and then talk to

47:29

a person what I have like for

47:31

example found this when I have the

47:33

most fear and like just my whole

47:35

inside is just drawn to the subject

47:37

but I don't want to look there

47:40

like hiring a professional and having the

47:42

consultation actually elevates all the fears and

47:44

you're like wait what was I afraid

47:46

of it's just yeah it's it's it's

47:48

really really cool technique to not be

47:51

afraid of displacement and also judging by

47:53

what you are actually sharing about your

47:55

journey with finances and like maintaining it

47:57

and making it bigger and stuff there

47:59

is like a really cool trick about

48:02

Saturn as well. So usually before it

48:04

comes into your house usually like you

48:06

kind of you have to face the

48:08

house where the Saturn is in the

48:10

beginning and the meat of the journey

48:12

then you get on the on the

48:15

path if you are self-aware obviously some

48:17

people just don't see it and they

48:19

like oh I just have a dark

48:21

side in my in my life you

48:24

know like that's dark path you know

48:26

but if you're addressing this side usually

48:28

by by the end of the cycle,

48:30

you will be already mastering the area,

48:32

which kind of you did as well.

48:35

I literally did that. I literally did

48:37

it the minute I mastered it and

48:39

said, okay, next. I flipped the page to

48:41

money. One of the coolest tricks

48:43

with Saturn as well is to

48:45

prepare for the next one. So

48:48

Saturn likes this responsibility and planning

48:50

and this is a planning type

48:52

of thing. So usually if you

48:54

like address the subject a little

48:57

bit before it comes into reality

48:59

with Saturn, then it will be

49:01

so much easy and so much

49:03

less painful to see it. And

49:05

for example. For you now, you are

49:08

understanding and you already agreed with your

49:10

inner voice that you do need to

49:12

understand the structure of the money a

49:14

little bit better to make it bigger

49:16

and more solid and all these kind

49:18

of things, right? But you need to

49:20

address it to learn these things and

49:22

before that, it was just already flowing

49:24

and it's still flowing without it, but

49:26

to make it more substantial, you do

49:28

need to learn the ways how to

49:30

do that, right? For me, my Saturn

49:33

now is in the 12's house. coming

49:35

to the first house of me. And

49:37

well, yes, it makes sense. So, uh,

49:39

she's seeing my face. I'm like, oh,

49:41

because I know what she's doing

49:43

and it makes perfect sense. She's

49:45

doing her homework ahead of time

49:47

to guys. Yes, I'm actually starting

49:49

to work really hard on the

49:51

subject. So when it comes to

49:53

my first house, I'm already prepared.

49:55

So you don't have to be

49:57

afraid. It's actually fun things to

49:59

do. just because it's not in the

50:01

house yet, the agenda is not so

50:04

painful yet, so you can address it,

50:06

you know? But when it comes, sometimes,

50:08

and I can tell you for sure,

50:10

this is 100% work, like I have

50:12

seen it in all the charts and

50:15

the lot of people, if you already

50:17

master this area, if you have a

50:19

negative transit and Saturn is usually associated

50:21

with negative, but it doesn't need to

50:23

be, because it will be very positive

50:26

if you have masteredered the area. it

50:28

will come and immediately praise you. You

50:30

know? Well, maybe like slowly, but it

50:32

will give you more benefits. So you

50:34

don't feel negative transits if you already

50:37

facing something. If you don't want to

50:39

face something and you look in a

50:41

completely different direction, any kind of negative

50:43

transit will come and you will feel

50:46

it from the outside, from the inside,

50:48

you will feel the discomfort because you

50:50

need to grow up. Yeah, it took

50:52

your attention begging to go there and

50:54

your mind and emotions are resisting it

50:57

But the actual mastery as a soul

50:59

is in that new area I yes

51:01

that and I can see that you're

51:03

already doing that on the the first

51:05

house stuff ahead of time to and

51:08

that's where the episode's idea of flowing

51:10

with the difficult Transits. That's what this

51:12

is so it's about and I think

51:14

I would just say from one human

51:16

to another with you guys I had

51:19

a few tantrums in the mind not

51:21

going to lie but then I got

51:23

on board. Like once I did the

51:25

inner voice letters and saw the guidance,

51:27

the wisdom, and the insight and the

51:30

real benefit of why it wanted me

51:32

to do that, not just because Saturn's

51:34

going there, but Saturn is an energy

51:36

supporting. me to do this. And of

51:38

course, like, I've had this business idea

51:41

to start since, I don't know, the

51:43

autumn of last year, and I had

51:45

not flowed into doing anything with it

51:47

for the longest time, and I was

51:50

really mentally annoyed at that. My inner

51:52

voice said, could you be abundant enough

51:54

just to let it flow in the

51:56

right timing for it to do so?

51:58

And so that was an interesting twist.

52:01

on my mind back then. So obviously

52:03

as it's coming into form now, it's

52:05

even what's interesting is the

52:07

place that I'm gonna work with

52:10

producing it in is on a

52:12

factory shutdown right now. So. I don't

52:14

have the process yet further with the

52:16

visa. And so once I do, then

52:19

there's like five people I have to

52:21

call and start doing my education, but

52:23

I need to know which visa I'm

52:25

on to talk about which implications this

52:28

new business needs to be making friends

52:30

with, you know, because I've applied for one

52:32

new track, but if it doesn't work,

52:34

I can always go back to the

52:36

existing previous track for. a different visa.

52:38

So I've got to figure out, so

52:40

because I don't know the answer to

52:43

that, it's funny because the actual new

52:45

business can't even move forward simultaneously for

52:47

completely different reasons. And in the same

52:49

time all of that's happening, I get

52:51

to learn and take responsibility and get

52:53

used to looking and learning and not

52:55

dreading it and getting over that fear.

52:57

So. These things can really, they really

52:59

are in our favor. We just

53:01

might have a few tantrums along

53:04

the way, or especially if we're

53:06

not aware at all. Now, Maria,

53:08

I'm sure they've all been begging

53:10

in their heads to ask you

53:12

this, so I waited, I'm sorry

53:14

guys for waiting this long. Maria,

53:16

how do they tell if they're,

53:19

should they just use the 12

53:21

houses or equal theory to find

53:23

where Saturn is in their needle

53:25

chart or in their chart? chart.

53:27

You will either feel that

53:29

it is coming or

53:31

is in this area

53:33

already. I like to

53:36

use the duplicitious system

53:38

and basically if you

53:40

just go to asterisk.com

53:42

and you just just put

53:44

birth chart and you just do

53:46

your birth chart usually it allows

53:48

you to choose on any kind

53:50

of sites at the way how

53:52

you see the houses so it

53:54

sometimes says a whole chart and

53:56

sometimes it says placiduous system so

53:58

the one that I'm using in

54:00

this Placidus system, the one

54:02

that the majority and usually

54:05

the majority of like

54:07

online astrologers, they use the

54:09

whole chart system because it's

54:12

just better generalizes and better

54:14

heats to the to the majority

54:17

of people, right? But usually on

54:19

the sides, whatever you go to

54:21

check out your birth chart, you

54:23

can check the system of houses

54:25

and if you use Placidus.

54:27

then you will see not equal

54:29

houses. But equal houses, you see,

54:32

like, it's still relatable. In my

54:34

case, it's just not that relatable.

54:36

But in many cases, it is

54:38

relatable. Maybe in some, like, basically,

54:40

the examples that I have been

54:42

trying to check with the whole

54:44

houses, they were like, okay, also

54:46

possible, but it was not like,

54:49

oh my gosh. But with the full

54:51

houses, in some other areas, it's much

54:53

more relatable, for example for me as

54:55

well. You can still do it in full

54:58

house. It will give you information enough.

55:00

What is the most important for you,

55:02

I would say, is not to look

55:04

at the sign where Saturn is situated,

55:06

mostly which house it is situated. Obviously

55:08

I would prefer you to look at

55:10

the Placilius because it gives you, in

55:12

my opinion, more precise information. But yeah,

55:14

full chart I told you it's also

55:16

possible, right? What is important to

55:19

understand, because Saturn is such a

55:21

slow planet. It stays in one

55:23

time for quite a lot of

55:26

time, meaning that it has quite

55:28

a lot of information what signing

55:30

a Saturn is in your birth

55:33

chart, but in the scale of

55:35

people that are the same age,

55:37

it's like the whole generation, the

55:39

whole couple of years. have the

55:41

same sign of the Saturn. So

55:44

it's not so showing as the

55:46

house. So I would say pay

55:48

attention to the house first. If

55:50

you want to dive deeper you

55:53

can always dive into the energy

55:55

of the sign of Saturn, but

55:57

to actually see the most bright

55:59

examples. you definitely see it

56:01

through the house. Okay. So

56:03

Placidious System is the one

56:05

you recommend. The different sections

56:07

whole system is equal 12

56:10

slices of pie. And it

56:12

was AstroSIG, S -I -G, did

56:14

I hear that right, astrosig .com

56:16

that you said, oh,

56:18

S -E -E -K. Okay. AstroSeek,

56:22

S -E -E -K guys. So if you

56:24

want to do that by all

56:26

means, by the way, top tip, I

56:28

would not go to chatGPT for

56:30

your stuff because I put my stuff

56:32

in and it got four things

56:34

wrong. It said my Venus was in

56:37

Virgo, which is in Scorpio, like

56:39

really, really wrong things guys. So only

56:41

put into, if you're going to

56:43

try chatGPT, I know so many people

56:45

using astrology with chatGPT, but please

56:47

don't put your chart in and ask

56:49

chatGPT to calculate your chart. Odds

56:51

are I could get it quite wrong.

56:54

But if you tell it what

56:56

the aspects are from a good source

56:58

like Maria saying, so you get

57:00

it done right in a website and

57:02

then take and dump that information

57:04

into chatGPT. But to be honest, Maria,

57:06

I haven't found much great insight.

57:08

I've looked at a few things, but

57:11

it's more like a yes man

57:13

than a really insightful tool for astrology

57:15

like you are to me. I

57:17

haven't found chatGPT. It's amazing. Yeah, I

57:19

would say chatGPT can give you

57:21

pretty good vision of that. Sometimes

57:24

I always, if I'm in

57:26

a pickle because there can

57:28

be a very difficult constellation

57:30

in the sky, very difficult

57:32

aspect. Sometimes I obviously use

57:34

the help of chatGPT as

57:36

we all do in all

57:39

our life. It does work.

57:41

It gives you very generalized

57:43

information, first of all, and

57:45

you need to ask very

57:47

precise questions. When you ask

57:49

very precise questions of like,

57:51

I don't know what the

57:53

rule of the house is,

57:55

what like all these like

57:58

aspects, whatever, like little information,

58:00

it does go and kind

58:02

of give you some some

58:04

insights, right? But once you understand the planets,

58:06

you don't really need somebody else to interpret because you

58:08

understand the energy and you're like, oh, look Saturn in

58:10

any house. We understand the energy. So you're like, oh,

58:12

I have Saturn in my area of health.

58:15

Oh, so I actually have to understand

58:17

how the vitamins work, how the supplements

58:19

work, how the workout works. Like I

58:21

need to understand how healthy eating works,

58:24

you know? So it's kind of easy

58:26

to logically understand once you understand the

58:28

basis. And actually, Maria, I love

58:31

what I'm going to end on, which is

58:33

the global, what Saturn being in

58:35

Pisces for the last few years

58:37

has meant and will mean for

58:39

on and off for the majority

58:41

of until next year from now,

58:43

and then where it's going next

58:45

as a society, because it's in

58:47

Pisces as a... collective and it's

58:49

going to go to a new

58:51

sign in a year as a

58:53

collective. So what is that impact?

58:56

And I think it's a very

58:58

interesting question, guys, don't tune out

59:00

now if you're a helper or

59:02

someone that wants to do good

59:04

in the world spiritually, because I

59:06

know that's a lot of you.

59:08

Can you, Maria, tell them what

59:10

Saturn in Pisces has actually meant?

59:12

I think this is going to be

59:14

such an aha for so many healers

59:16

and helpers out there. Obviously, it's a

59:19

Saturn is a planet of quality control.

59:21

We already understood that, right? So when

59:23

it comes into the sign, you can

59:25

definitely feel it if it makes an

59:28

aspect in your chart or if it's

59:30

like, for example, crosses a planet or

59:32

if it crosses the beginning of the

59:34

house or something like that, you feel

59:36

it the most. But when it goes

59:39

into a sign, the whole general energy

59:41

of the world experiences a little

59:43

bit of a shift. So what

59:45

I have seen, and just to

59:47

explain, Pisces is about intuition, this

59:50

like unconditional love, it's about creativity

59:52

and help and just nature and

59:54

kind of like the world that

59:56

is not seen and it's just

59:58

like so bigger. stuff. And imagine

1:00:01

this world that you can't really

1:00:03

touch with your hand. Saturn, a

1:00:05

planet of structure, comes in. So

1:00:07

what I, basically it says, wait,

1:00:09

how can I measure that? Is

1:00:11

it actually like, does it make

1:00:13

sense? Can we do a logical

1:00:15

quality control here? You know, so

1:00:17

basically when Saturn entered in pices,

1:00:19

all these like ephemeral energy of

1:00:21

flow and easiness in general did

1:00:23

not fully stop. but it limited

1:00:26

itself a little bit. So what

1:00:28

I have seen is that a

1:00:30

lot of people who are into

1:00:32

spirituality and inner voice and any

1:00:34

kind of other things, they, some

1:00:36

of them, started kind of like

1:00:38

shifting away a little bit from

1:00:40

esoterics and being like, oh, actually

1:00:42

to get a day job, or

1:00:44

I need to, it's just not

1:00:46

flowing that much, because basically the...

1:00:49

The flow has been blocked by

1:00:51

valuing what is right and what

1:00:53

is wrong for us because sometimes

1:00:55

we can go to the extremes

1:00:57

without really understanding if it's the

1:00:59

right thing to do. So it

1:01:01

was definitely a time for reevaluation

1:01:03

and the flow in general what

1:01:05

I have seen with all of

1:01:07

my colleagues, all of my clients

1:01:09

in terms of the intuition has

1:01:11

been flowing but it has been

1:01:14

flowing through understanding are you helping

1:01:16

people because you just love them

1:01:18

or because you feel guilty and

1:01:20

not worthy of just not helping

1:01:22

you know like for example you

1:01:24

save a puppy because you just

1:01:26

have a lot of love inside

1:01:28

of you or because you're like

1:01:30

oh like I will be condemned

1:01:32

if I don't you know like

1:01:34

so it's kind of like a

1:01:36

lot of revelation of this inner

1:01:39

world that has been going there

1:01:41

and for some people it can

1:01:43

be like oh my intuition dry

1:01:45

it out because basically it wanted

1:01:47

you to look maybe a little

1:01:49

bit more on the like some

1:01:51

other levels of your life right

1:01:53

some people have like leveled up

1:01:55

in their intuition being like wow

1:01:57

I've been doing for example like

1:01:59

before before Saturn went in Pisces,

1:02:01

I was just enjoying the invoice

1:02:04

and intuition and stuff. And when

1:02:06

Saturn went into Pisces, I was

1:02:08

like, wait, there is like regressions and

1:02:10

like past lives. And I just like

1:02:12

went much more like prominent into the

1:02:14

area, much more deeper and became like

1:02:17

much more knowledgeable in this. But it

1:02:19

was kind of like through more.

1:02:21

practical approach of being like, okay, what

1:02:23

can I do to solve this? Like it

1:02:25

flows like this, but maybe it can be

1:02:28

solved in some other way. So what is

1:02:30

happening and what you will feel when Saturn

1:02:32

leaves pices, you will feel kind of free

1:02:35

to come back to your energy, but you

1:02:37

will never be able to come back to

1:02:39

what it was, you will be so much

1:02:41

more elevated from now on in this area

1:02:44

of your life, in this energy of pices.

1:02:46

So it's not going to be like I'm

1:02:48

blindlessly going by some kind of belief. I'm

1:02:51

actually feeling the right things. I

1:02:53

cleaned up the space from something

1:02:55

that was not working for me.

1:02:57

So what is happening right now,

1:03:00

and what will be happening this

1:03:02

year, and definitely happens next year,

1:03:04

Saturn is going to leave Pisces

1:03:06

and move to areas. And if

1:03:09

you think about areas energy, what

1:03:11

is it? a lot of drive, a

1:03:13

lot of action, it's a lot

1:03:15

of initiative, assertiveness. It's just like,

1:03:17

let's go and conquer. And one

1:03:20

of the best ways to understand

1:03:22

area sign is I first do

1:03:24

and then I think, you know, so

1:03:26

it's more about like let's go

1:03:28

by the impulse. If I like somebody,

1:03:30

let's flirt with them. If I want

1:03:33

something, I'll go there immediately, you know?

1:03:35

So it's kind of like... It's very

1:03:37

productive, very inspired sign. So basically,

1:03:39

it's kind of like the sign

1:03:42

that comes out of winter and

1:03:44

being like, we're alive, let's just

1:03:46

have fun and sex and all

1:03:48

these amazing things, let's just live

1:03:50

our life, right? But it doesn't really

1:03:52

think too much about what it does.

1:03:54

So this is going to be like a

1:03:56

very naughty kid and Saturn's going to come

1:03:59

home. Yes. Yes. And basically, Saturn will

1:04:01

say, okay, we can still go

1:04:03

and do trampling, we can still

1:04:05

go and do football, but we

1:04:07

need a timetable, because you do

1:04:09

need to do your homework, we

1:04:11

need to plan, we need to

1:04:14

structure ourselves. So while there will

1:04:16

be a lot of energy... it

1:04:18

will be more productive energy. So

1:04:20

those who are just generally going

1:04:22

through the energy of being a

1:04:24

little bit irresponsible in a way

1:04:26

using areas, allergies, like let's go

1:04:28

do that, like not thinking about

1:04:30

what will be the outcome, they

1:04:33

will feel it very uncomfortably, right?

1:04:35

For those people who are genuinely

1:04:37

like very... responsible and plan everything,

1:04:39

they will on the contrary have

1:04:41

much more energy to move forward.

1:04:43

So it's kind of going to

1:04:45

balance the irresponsibility to become more

1:04:47

structured and it will give more

1:04:49

energy to move forward with some

1:04:52

projects for those who may be

1:04:54

planned everything really well but were

1:04:56

always really afraid to act. You

1:04:58

know, so yes, this makes sense

1:05:00

with when I, you said, Capricorn

1:05:02

is linked to Saturn. And when

1:05:04

I think of a Capricorn interacting

1:05:06

with an Aries person, I get

1:05:08

how Saturn interacts and how that

1:05:11

plays from even just thinking, because

1:05:13

I understand Capricorn better than I

1:05:15

understand Saturn. Yeah, it's 100% that

1:05:17

Capricorn can have fantastic time with

1:05:19

Aries. But it needs to know

1:05:21

where he is going. He needs

1:05:23

to know if they're going to

1:05:25

have fun or it's going to

1:05:27

be a serious something. They need

1:05:30

to know what to expect, you

1:05:32

know. So they need a structure,

1:05:34

planning and like a little bit

1:05:36

of responsibility. But then if they

1:05:38

plan to go to Trampling Park,

1:05:40

they come to Trampling Park and

1:05:42

Capricote has the best time of

1:05:44

their life and obviously areas as

1:05:46

well, you know. But they plan

1:05:49

that they're going to go on

1:05:51

Saturday at 2 PM. it's kind

1:05:53

of a compromise between two, but

1:05:55

it's not necessarily bad. It's basically

1:05:57

more of the maturing from like

1:05:59

impulsively going after something towards energetically

1:06:01

moving forward, but knowing where you're

1:06:03

going. Yes, so it sounds like

1:06:05

impulse, big bold steps forward,

1:06:08

but like with the productivity slant

1:06:10

to it, like, yeah, that's

1:06:12

exciting. The energy is definitely

1:06:14

going to be much more

1:06:17

exciting in that direction because

1:06:19

bices do not like Saturn, because

1:06:21

they are like, like, it's kind of

1:06:23

like... Bices of course it's like if

1:06:26

you look at the sign it's a

1:06:28

fish to fish on the on the

1:06:30

sign right so try with rigidness to

1:06:33

catch a fish it will you will

1:06:35

like you will have so

1:06:37

much struggle it will just

1:06:39

move away and it will

1:06:41

try to like stick up

1:06:43

like jump out and stuff

1:06:45

it's always like a very

1:06:47

uncomfortable struggle with areas

1:06:50

it's like It's annoying they are

1:06:52

noise through with each other, you know, like

1:06:54

because areas like let's live life and Saturn

1:06:56

is like not structural life But in the

1:06:58

end of the day through this discomfort

1:07:00

a little bit they can actually

1:07:03

achieve twice as much as normal

1:07:05

people do Yeah, it sounds like a little

1:07:07

boy with his dad going to the Trampoline

1:07:09

Park and that kind of the youngest sign

1:07:11

and then one of the oldest signs going

1:07:14

together to do something one structure once just

1:07:16

having fun So I would say if you

1:07:18

guys are thinking about what she said about

1:07:20

Pisces and where it's been it's been there

1:07:22

since March 2023 it will be there basic

1:07:25

there's a few little breaks we get

1:07:27

between now and next year. We

1:07:29

got another year of it. But

1:07:31

the way I looked at it,

1:07:33

Maria, tell me if I'm intuiting

1:07:35

this right or wrong about this

1:07:37

collective side of it. With the

1:07:39

collective going into this Pacey's inner

1:07:41

voice, but then putting structure to

1:07:43

it, I'm wondering if it was a

1:07:46

time where I obviously think people

1:07:48

are still going into themselves, but

1:07:50

I think there's also been

1:07:52

this less focus in some

1:07:55

ways on some of this

1:07:57

more mystical non-physical realm stuff

1:07:59

and And so there might have

1:08:01

been on a greater scale, I've

1:08:03

heard of a lot of people

1:08:06

in the community and friends that

1:08:08

are in this kind of healing

1:08:10

modality space, say that they have

1:08:12

noticed a downturn in their previous

1:08:14

kind of clientele or the flow

1:08:16

of what they used to have

1:08:18

happened and that it got harder

1:08:21

as time went into Pisces and

1:08:23

Saturn was there. And that you

1:08:25

had said that's kind of like

1:08:27

a culling out so that those

1:08:29

that weren't really had the gumption

1:08:31

to stay in and stick with

1:08:33

it or stay structured on it

1:08:35

or you know had the ability

1:08:38

to really show up for people

1:08:40

in a stronger way were we're

1:08:42

not there. So could you go

1:08:44

into that piece because I think

1:08:46

that would be really interesting for

1:08:48

the group to hear? Yeah for

1:08:50

sure. I do I did notice

1:08:53

with myself and with my colleagues

1:08:55

as well that the The flow

1:08:57

of people who were just going

1:08:59

after some magic and not really

1:09:01

searching for answers did stop. Did

1:09:03

kind of not, did not stop

1:09:05

fully, but it became much less.

1:09:08

And the Dilatons. the little ones

1:09:10

that are come the dilatons the

1:09:12

ones that come in to just

1:09:14

kind of see what it's about

1:09:16

but maybe aren't committed to really

1:09:18

doing the work the full yes

1:09:20

so like when you think about

1:09:22

anything spiritual as oh my gosh

1:09:25

it just like a very good

1:09:27

mother that is going to come

1:09:29

and solve all my problems usually

1:09:31

they were faced by a harsh

1:09:33

reality of having to like switch

1:09:35

on to daily jobs, day jobs

1:09:37

and like I don't know do

1:09:40

something very much logical and come

1:09:42

back to something that they were

1:09:44

doing that they maybe didn't want

1:09:46

to do before and like both

1:09:48

colleagues and clients including into that.

1:09:50

But what I've seen that those

1:09:52

people who stayed they matured in

1:09:55

their understanding of spirituality. So what

1:09:57

I see now in terms of

1:09:59

like spirituality, it's less like popularized

1:10:01

like we just all need to

1:10:03

know what's happening. It's still going

1:10:05

on like like, I don't know,

1:10:07

astrology, for example, like it's all

1:10:09

over TikTok or whatever, but it's

1:10:12

less. it's more through the point

1:10:14

of view of an instrument versus,

1:10:16

oh my gosh, this is a

1:10:18

magic bill that is going to

1:10:20

solve everything, you know? So it's

1:10:22

a more mature approach. I have

1:10:24

seen that those who were not

1:10:27

really ready for that or who

1:10:29

were the other times in what

1:10:31

they were doing, they really just

1:10:33

like their flow stopped and they

1:10:35

had to maybe like it's also possible

1:10:37

that for people who were working in

1:10:40

this area, they were just not ready

1:10:42

for that and they had other things

1:10:44

to address with the Saturn, it's also

1:10:46

very probable, right? But in general, the

1:10:48

energy has definitely shifted and it became

1:10:51

a little bit calmer in a way

1:10:53

of like there was a lot of

1:10:55

enthusiasm before Saturn went into Pisces and

1:10:57

then it went into Pisces and it

1:11:00

became just a little bit more reserved.

1:11:02

But what I see, it became... more

1:11:04

quality because those who stayed, they really

1:11:07

matured. So I have seen like a

1:11:09

little bit of a shrinkage in

1:11:11

terms of the area in general,

1:11:13

but I don't see it in a

1:11:15

bad way. I see it just

1:11:17

like letting go of things that

1:11:19

were actually not true. And it's

1:11:21

really fun for me, for example.

1:11:24

I don't know if it hadn't

1:11:26

changed. if I would have necessarily, I

1:11:28

don't know, it's hard to know what

1:11:30

would have been what, but the meditation

1:11:32

I had where the idea for the

1:11:34

new business came in, obviously I'm still

1:11:36

gonna always, to my knowledge, as far

1:11:38

as, I don't think minor voices stopping

1:11:40

this anytime soon, as far as like

1:11:42

helping people in the world with what

1:11:45

I've had to go through and help

1:11:47

others to go through their version of

1:11:49

it, but the idea to do something

1:11:51

so different than spirituality never occurred to

1:11:53

me in a like, you know, until

1:11:55

it dropped in, It's still going to keep

1:11:57

going spiritually, but also to go into

1:11:59

something different. And I almost feel like

1:12:01

this energy of this time gave me

1:12:03

this space and the energy not to

1:12:05

be fully engrossed in spirituality, but to

1:12:07

be able to expand and to do

1:12:10

two things instead of just one. I

1:12:12

almost feel like in a way came

1:12:14

through my transit of this as well.

1:12:16

So it's kind of fun to see

1:12:18

that it can, and I think for

1:12:20

other people, they maybe straddled a job

1:12:23

or doing two different things while still

1:12:25

helping people as well. Obviously, I made

1:12:27

it through the whole, well, actually not

1:12:29

the whole time. I'm going to go

1:12:31

into the last year of it, transitioning

1:12:33

into the dual business life. So actually

1:12:35

it's not the full thing, but I

1:12:38

think that's something to look at and

1:12:40

not see as a bad thing, but

1:12:42

see as an opportunity to expand and

1:12:44

not just be so singular in one

1:12:46

thing, if that's what you're going into

1:12:48

or have done. Yes. In a way,

1:12:50

spirituality is a fantastic thing, but we

1:12:53

came here to live our physical life.

1:12:55

So Saturn kind of put us a

1:12:57

little bit down to earth and said,

1:12:59

there are other things. This is great.

1:13:01

Let's keep it. If it works amazing,

1:13:03

if you can feel things and see

1:13:05

things, it's and you can help people,

1:13:08

it's fantastic. But also don't forget about

1:13:10

like everyday life. So it basically just

1:13:12

puts us down to earth a little

1:13:14

bit. But the focus of it is

1:13:16

going to be just this year. And

1:13:18

then it's going to just shift the

1:13:20

focus and you will be like, oh,

1:13:23

spirituality feels like a breath of fresh

1:13:25

air again, but it's already more mature,

1:13:27

you know? So my approach is much

1:13:29

more mature. I feel much more mature.

1:13:31

It will never like helping other people

1:13:33

and spirituality will not go away. We

1:13:35

are like shifting into much, like we

1:13:38

find out so much more things like

1:13:40

that we didn't know like a couple

1:13:42

of years, some years ago, some decades

1:13:44

ago. So we are definitely leveling up.

1:13:46

It's not going away. It's just transforming

1:13:48

from like a kindergarten to school and

1:13:51

then to university. So that is the

1:13:53

process that Saturn brought us to to

1:13:55

push us in that direction. This is

1:13:57

how I see it. Yeah. And so

1:13:59

I could imagine. and there'll be more

1:14:01

helpers again and more interest on the

1:14:03

lighter levels of things too, like a

1:14:06

little bit more of the curiosity seekers

1:14:08

rather than the deep divers coming back

1:14:10

into the spiritual space. It's possible.

1:14:12

I don't think I think like

1:14:14

once Saturn like passes through an

1:14:16

area, it changes the area, it

1:14:18

changes you and the previous problem.

1:14:20

It doesn't just go back. It

1:14:23

doesn't go back to the magic

1:14:25

hill. It becomes

1:14:27

easier but you can't

1:14:29

really go back in the same

1:14:31

river the second time. You go into

1:14:33

the river but now it feels

1:14:35

a little bit different and it's about

1:14:37

learning how to swim in the

1:14:39

new one because our life is always changing.

1:14:41

So it just like it pushed us forward

1:14:44

in some kind of spiritual

1:14:46

maturity. It will become easier

1:14:48

to breathe and flow where

1:14:50

once it moves to areas

1:14:52

in this specific area of

1:14:54

life, right? But it already

1:14:56

changed us. There is no

1:14:58

coming back but it's Saturn

1:15:00

always changes us for the

1:15:03

better. The maturity is always

1:15:05

for the better. You always

1:15:07

learn new tricks and stuff.

1:15:09

So it's definitely for like

1:15:11

higher level of you. I

1:15:14

love that. So there we go. That is

1:15:16

how you flow with Saturn and make

1:15:18

the most out of what's actually trying. I

1:15:20

like keep thinking back at the word

1:15:22

again and again says mastery. Mastery is just

1:15:24

helping us to become the fullest expression

1:15:26

we could. If I just stayed in my

1:15:28

health or my money just flowing with

1:15:30

it. I would never have mastered it on

1:15:32

the mental level. I would never have

1:15:34

even had to even think about it. It

1:15:36

would have just been something that was

1:15:39

passive in my life rather than mastered in

1:15:41

my life. And obviously I'm still in

1:15:43

alignment to my inner voices. I do

1:15:45

so. It's just that it wants to

1:15:47

master this on a deeper level as

1:15:49

it told me, for example, in money,

1:15:51

because you can't maintain it if you

1:15:53

get it. I don't know what to

1:15:55

do with it. So it is very

1:15:57

important even on an inner voice level

1:15:59

to know those things so

1:16:01

that it can give to you all

1:16:03

that it can bring into physicality, but

1:16:05

you need to know how to maintain

1:16:08

the physicality on the physical level. And

1:16:10

if you do not master that, then

1:16:12

you don't get the actual full reward

1:16:14

of what you're doing non physically, bringing

1:16:17

it into the physical. And that I

1:16:19

think could happen even on any level.

1:16:21

They can bring you the lover, but

1:16:23

if you don't know how to communicate

1:16:26

with them, how are you going to

1:16:28

master that? from your inner voice in

1:16:30

this greater you into this reality

1:16:32

also. Amazing, I could not agree more. Ah,

1:16:34

the Maria, thank you so much for coming on

1:16:37

the show again. I love talking to you.

1:16:39

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you.

1:16:41

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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It was a blast. May something wonderful happened

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to you today. So,

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So, Music

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Music