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the show today, Joberg Mayor Dada

0:15

Moreiro on the renaming of

0:17

Santon Drive. He denies paying

0:19

influences to suspecting court for

0:22

the Soshangouve murders. The Mai

0:24

Mani on Bosa's Conditions to

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support an A&C budget. The

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Veterinary Association raises the alarm

0:31

of a USAID being pulled

0:34

and F&B will be the

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new Buck Jersey sponsor, Pick

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and Pay, will be on the back. All

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of that over the next hour.

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The Midday Report with Mandy Wiener.

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Streaming on the Prime Media Plus

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app. GSTV channel 856. 92.7 and

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106 FM. Good afternoon,

0:52

welcome to the Maderere Port on

0:54

702 and Cape Talk with me,

0:56

Mandy Wiener. Good to be with

0:58

you today. We will take you

1:00

to Soshosha and Guve, where there

1:02

is going to be the memorial

1:04

service this afternoon for the safety

1:06

controllers that were murdered at the

1:08

weekend. Also awaiting a court appearance,

1:10

two people arrested. One of them,

1:12

we know, was an undocumented foreigner.

1:14

So they're going to be appearing

1:17

in court. We'll take you there.

1:19

We're also watching in court at

1:21

the moment. the former SAA executive,

1:23

her lawyer. is currently on the

1:25

witness stand. She is busy testifying

1:27

about details of her arrest because

1:29

that's a bail application, a Quinnana

1:31

saying she can pay 2,000 rants

1:33

to get to bail. So they're

1:35

busy arguing about that at the

1:37

moment. We'll bring you the latest

1:39

on that. If there's anything you'd

1:41

like to speak about, send me

1:43

a what-up voice note, 072, 702,

1:45

0725, 67, 1.5, and hey, what

1:47

do you think about the fact

1:50

that F&B is going to be

1:52

the springbock Jersey sponsor? entirely surprising they

1:54

were the sponsor on the back of

1:56

the Jersey so they're moving to the

1:59

front paying a pretty hefty price for

2:01

that, pick and pay. will now be

2:03

on the back of the Jersey. So

2:05

let me know your thoughts. I'm sure

2:08

we can come up with something clever

2:10

around that. But let's start firstly with

2:12

a briefing by the Joberg Mayor today,

2:15

Dara Moreiro, speaking about lots of different

2:17

things. So he's been speaking about potholes.

2:19

He's been speaking about Santon Drive being

2:22

renamed. He's been speaking about water outages

2:24

as well. Alpha Ramishwanner, E. Ew and

2:26

reporter at that briefing for us. Alpha,

2:29

good afternoon to you. One of the

2:31

big topics of late has been whether

2:33

or not Dada Moreiro has been or

2:35

the city of Joberg has been paying

2:37

influences. Tell us what he had

2:40

to say about this. Yeah, good afternoon

2:42

Mandy. I think you would

2:44

remember that over the last

2:46

few days on social media,

2:48

particularly on Twitter, we saw

2:50

a series of tweets from

2:52

very big accounts, influencer accounts,

2:54

promoting Dada Moreiro and his

2:57

administration as well, and they had

2:59

a hash. tag, title, hashtag, so

3:01

that job and service delivery. And

3:03

of course, there was some public

3:06

backlash on social media with some

3:08

questioning why the city would be

3:10

blowing money on influences to promote

3:13

the city to tell residents that

3:15

they are indeed improving service delivery.

3:17

Why are they doing it through

3:20

social media influences instead of through,

3:22

you know, the communication mechanism that

3:24

the city has? And of course

3:27

you'd remember that about two weeks

3:29

ago, if not three weeks ago,

3:31

the city was making what was

3:33

trending on Twitter again when the

3:35

president visited the metro where he

3:37

complained about the state of service

3:39

delivering the city and we saw

3:41

a campaign on social media by

3:44

influences over the past few days

3:46

really promoting the metro. And we've

3:48

posed a question to the mayor

3:50

to confirm whether or not he

3:52

did indeed pay influences to promote

3:54

him and the city. paying anyone

3:56

to promote the city and say

3:58

this office was not involved in

4:01

that thing. He says his office

4:03

did not give an instruction or

4:05

did not allow anyone to pay

4:07

those influences to promote the city.

4:09

So he says he's not involved

4:12

in anything of that nature. He

4:14

doesn't know who exactly commissioned that

4:16

paid promotion on Twitter or social

4:18

media over the last few days.

4:20

Let's take a listen to what

4:23

he had to say about that.

4:25

I guess the last part before

4:27

you enter the technical issues, it

4:29

relates to the issues around influences.

4:31

And I think I want to

4:34

assure our residents on this matter

4:36

that there's never been an instruction

4:38

from me, Alpha, around the issue

4:40

of influence influences. As I made

4:42

it clear that I've never made

4:45

any instruction of that matter and

4:47

I want to assure our residents

4:49

of trying to expect that I

4:51

do have a communication team that

4:53

has been doing their work and

4:56

that communication team I believe they

4:58

have not hired any form of

5:00

influencers whatsoever to have to hire

5:02

power activities. But we are also

5:04

aware that our media houses who

5:07

are very invested in the story,

5:09

but what I can assure the

5:11

residents is that this was never

5:13

done by my office. Amazingly, influences

5:15

just started using the hashtag, Joburg

5:18

service delivery, incredible, that that all

5:20

happened at once. Alpha, what else

5:22

does the mayor have to say

5:24

about the renaming of Santon Drive

5:26

has been a big issue as

5:29

well? And he's been speaking about

5:31

a few other issues. I think

5:33

today, I mean, we've had a

5:35

number of engagements with the mayor

5:37

about the renaming of sent and

5:40

drive. There's the proposal to rename

5:42

sent in drives to Nela Khalid

5:44

drive. Nela Khalid is a Palestinian

5:46

freedom fighter and renaming it after

5:48

her is sort of bordering her

5:51

sort of, you know, for her

5:53

fighting for the freedom of Palestinian

5:55

people over many many many years

5:57

and there is the council is

5:59

split in two with one half

6:02

of the council saying they reject

6:04

the renaming of sentent drive to

6:06

Nailahalit drive the day particularly saying

6:08

that they can't rename it name

6:10

it after Palestinian freedom fighter you'd

6:13

know that the American embassy is

6:15

on sentent drive so they believe

6:17

that naming it after a Palestinian

6:19

freedom fighter would cause some diplomatic

6:21

tensions with the U. As you

6:24

know you know, Pretoria and Washington,

6:26

I currently not seeing I-to-I in

6:28

a number of matters, with the

6:30

other half of the council saying

6:32

that they are in support of

6:35

this. But Dada Murado today was

6:37

more or less giving context of

6:39

where this comes from, and it

6:41

was very clear that this motion

6:43

to, or the proposal to rename

6:46

Sentin Drive to Layla Khanid Drive,

6:48

was approved in 2018 when Herman

6:50

Mashable was still the mayor under

6:52

the Democratic Alliance. So he's really

6:54

trying to shift the blame. from

6:57

the ANC to those who are

6:59

leading the city in 2018. And

7:01

he's saying that while the process

7:03

to rename the road is under

7:05

public consultation, or it's in a

7:08

consultation process, there needs to be

7:10

some diplomatic sensitivity, as you would

7:12

know, their attention currently between the

7:14

union buildings and the White House.

7:16

Also, talk about the presidential work.

7:19

I think just firstly, also, just

7:21

to clarify before you go on,

7:23

that the ANC is arguing, of

7:25

course, that she is a Palestinian

7:27

freedom fighter. People opposed to this

7:30

are making the point that she

7:32

is viewed as a terrorist and

7:34

that she was a member of

7:36

the popular front for the liberation

7:38

of Palestine, first woman to hijack

7:41

an airplane. So just to place

7:43

it in context and to give

7:45

both sides the important to make

7:47

that point as well. Yeah, I

7:49

think that's the point that democratic

7:52

alliance is also. been running with

7:54

the action to say at some

7:56

point as well that Nailahalid like

7:58

you said is known as the

8:00

first woman to hijack you know

8:03

an airplane and you know they

8:05

are making the argument that the

8:07

ANC rather has made arguments before

8:09

that there was a bigger cause

8:11

that was to raise awareness about

8:14

what was going on in the

8:16

Middle East at the time and

8:18

I think you know this these

8:20

are the arguments that we've been

8:22

hearing for the over the last

8:25

five years here and the city

8:27

of joeberg but the mayor also

8:29

spoke about the presidential working group

8:31

to the president announced two weeks

8:33

ago when he visited the city

8:36

of joeberg that working group is

8:38

to fix and assist the current

8:40

leadership here with service delivery. Remember

8:42

that the president is very unhappy

8:44

with joeberg saying that it's in

8:47

a poor state. So the process

8:49

to establish that presidential working group

8:51

is being finalized. The city of

8:53

Doberg has established its old working

8:55

group that waiting for the list

8:58

from presidency that will work with

9:00

the city's working group. So let's

9:02

take a listen to what the

9:04

mayor had to say about that.

9:06

In relation to Mr. Mayor, the

9:09

Presidential Working Group, the President has

9:11

given us a list from their

9:13

side. We've also submitted from our

9:15

side all the EMT members in

9:17

the different clusters. So we have

9:20

our first meeting this Friday from

9:22

3 o'clock. Then start the first

9:24

meeting of the Working Groups on

9:26

Friday from the Presidential Working Group.

9:28

So I think thanks. So from

9:31

the presidency side, they have not

9:33

released that info. But from our

9:35

side, I will leave myself and

9:37

the group, CFO, will be leading

9:39

the governance and then the water

9:42

will be led by the empty

9:44

water and supported by the executive

9:46

director, environmental infrastructure. Electricity would be

9:48

the C.O.C. power supported by the

9:50

ED development planning, then you have

9:53

the social aspect where you have

9:55

conduct and the rest of the

9:57

then supported by the executives in

9:59

their different clusters. Alpha Ramashwan, E-W-N

10:01

reporter, thank you very much for

10:04

that. Attending Dada Moreiro's briefing there

10:06

by the mayor of Joe Berga,

10:08

a lot of reactions that high

10:10

Mandy, Dadaa must step down. There

10:12

are always issues around him, but

10:14

when it comes to service delivery,

10:17

zero, zero, are quite... see his

10:19

purpose and then a few other

10:21

messages. Dada must step down. The

10:23

logic behind renaming Santon Drive after

10:25

terrorists makes me wonder whether they

10:28

would also consider renaming it after

10:30

South African terrorists like Chris Hani's

10:32

killer. Of course they wouldn't but

10:34

it once again highlights the ANC's

10:36

mentality. So lots of reaction there

10:39

and Dada Moreiro saying that we

10:41

need to be diplomatic in how

10:43

we think about this specific issue.

10:45

Good day, Mindy. You know, I

10:47

can't recall ever hearing of Emia.

10:50

that has had to explain himself

10:52

like data more. I mean, I

10:54

still don't see how ANC leadership

10:56

in this guy. I mean, when

10:58

he took over, he started by

11:01

saying that he's going to a

11:03

higher nationals as interpreters. I mean,

11:05

he's going to prioritize some projects

11:07

just for the sake of G20.

11:09

Now there's this influenza story that's

11:12

coming up. You know when you

11:14

compare Dada Moreira and Nazipi Moya,

11:16

it's day and night. It's so

11:18

disappointing to have this guy as

11:20

our mayor. 7.02. Mandy Wiener. Wheat

11:23

days 12 to 1 p.m. The

11:25

Department of Health is hosting the

11:27

second G20 working group meeting, discussing

11:29

health issues, and the theme, accelerates

11:31

health equity, solidarity and universal coverage.

11:34

Minister Aran Matuletti delivering the keynote

11:36

address, Lindsay Den Dentlinger, EWR and

11:38

reporter, attending that for us. Lindsay,

11:40

good afternoon to you, thanks for

11:42

your time. Tell us about what

11:45

the health minister had to say

11:47

today. Good afternoon Andy. So in

11:49

the main and these working group

11:51

meetings are closed meetings This is

11:53

the second time the working group

11:56

on health is meeting since South

11:58

Africa took over the presidency of

12:00

the G20 and in the main

12:02

three things that the Health Minister

12:04

is highlighting that he wants this

12:07

working group to work on and

12:09

that is as you mentioned universal

12:11

access to healthcare. The financing for

12:13

healthcare is saying governments need to

12:15

prioritize spending on health, that in

12:18

this changing world health, investing in

12:20

health. should not be seen as

12:22

a commodity. And then also issues

12:24

around communicable diseases, diseases that we

12:26

have thought by now are pretty

12:29

much almost eradicated, but now we

12:31

see around the world as people

12:33

rarely against vaccination and the like,

12:35

things like measles and have reared

12:37

themselves in quite big numbers. the

12:40

health minister also saying he wanted

12:42

to do cervical cancer, one of

12:44

those that is actually preventable and

12:46

to be completely eradicated. So in

12:48

the main, he is one asking

12:51

this working group to look at

12:53

ways to fund health, to make

12:55

it a priority for nations, to

12:57

put this higher on their agenda

12:59

in their national budgets, and then

13:02

looking at the prohibitive costs of

13:04

setting up health care systems. The

13:06

health minister pointing out that South

13:08

Africa is already hard at work

13:10

trying to make universal access to

13:13

health care a reality and saying

13:15

that it couldn't just be people

13:17

who can afford good health care

13:19

services who have access to them

13:21

and that all nations needed to

13:24

work harder to ensure better access

13:26

to health care for all. But

13:28

here's some of the remarks he

13:30

made in that opening session mandate.

13:33

All G20 members to champion increased

13:35

public financing of health systems. This

13:38

is not merely a budgetary issue.

13:40

It's a fundamental investment in our

13:43

collective future. We must prioritize public

13:45

health over competing interest, ensuring that

13:47

adequate resources are allocated to meet

13:50

the health needs of our populations.

13:52

That's the Health Minister Aaron Motwelletti

13:54

speaking earlier at the Department of

13:57

Health hosting of the second G20

13:59

Working Group. Our thanks to Lundy

14:02

Dentlinger for bringing us to that

14:04

report. And now it's back to

14:06

Mandy Wiener on the midday report.

14:09

This is 702. Let's walk the

14:11

talk. 1225 on the Madere report

14:13

with me, Mandy Wiener, the South

14:16

African Veterinary Association expressing grave concern

14:18

over the recent termination of the

14:20

U.S. aid funding, saying that it

14:23

will significantly affect health services including

14:25

critical veterinary programs. We are joined

14:28

now by Dr. Paul Fanamava, who

14:30

is the interim MD of the

14:32

South African Veterinary Association. Dr. Fanamava,

14:35

good afternoon to you. Thanks for

14:37

your time. How extensive will this

14:39

impact be? Many, it is very

14:42

difficult, but thank you for the

14:44

opportunity first. It is very difficult

14:47

to measure the impact exactly. The

14:49

USAID money is sponsoring various health

14:51

programs in South Africa, including some

14:54

programs that are touching directly on

14:56

the new services, but a lot

14:58

of the other programs and sponsoring

15:01

of field activity biology programs, for

15:03

instance. impact human health as well

15:06

as victim health. So it is

15:08

really having a major impact, or

15:10

it will have a major impact

15:13

in the future especially, on the

15:15

capability to manage and consolidate diseases

15:17

in South Africa. With this gap

15:20

now being there, where could it

15:22

be plugged by? Are there options

15:25

from the South African government or

15:27

would you have to look, you

15:29

know, for example, at European money?

15:32

What happens now to fill that

15:34

gap? Yeah, I think it is

15:36

very important to go and reevaluate

15:39

all the programs first and she

15:41

prioritised them and she... programs are

15:44

really necessary and what programs were

15:46

I don't want to say nice

15:48

to have because if you're talking

15:51

about without environment you can never

15:53

say you got a nice to

15:55

have but I think there are

15:58

certain programs that is high priority

16:00

than the rest and I think

16:03

we have to prioritize those programs

16:05

and then government will have to

16:07

decide if they can fund it

16:10

and if not then we will

16:12

have to do for sponsorships from

16:14

European and even the Eastern countries.

16:17

This is also being compounded by

16:19

a critical shortage of vets. How

16:22

significant is that problem and are

16:24

vets leaving the country because of

16:26

any particular reason? Yeah, we got

16:29

a critical shortage of veterinarians in

16:31

South Africa. Currently we know at

16:33

that tipping point that in the

16:36

past two or three years, There's

16:38

more veterinarians leaving the country than

16:41

they are qualifying every year. So

16:43

we are at the negative price

16:45

rate at the state for veterinarians.

16:48

There's a lot of those leaving

16:50

the country are coming back, but

16:52

still, you know, leave the country

16:55

for four, five years before the

16:57

return. So there is a critical

17:00

shortage of veterinarians and these other

17:02

programs was very supportive to veterinary

17:04

services. So it does veterinarians that

17:07

stayed behind. focus on their primary

17:09

task, but with field epidemiology for

17:11

instance not happening at the level

17:14

that it should be, those with

17:16

the areas and especially in the

17:19

government sector will have to start

17:21

focusing on field epidemiology again. So

17:23

it's a question of more work

17:26

for those people that are already

17:28

overworked. Dr. Paul Fanamava, the interim

17:30

MD of the South African Veterinary

17:33

Association. Thank you very much for

17:35

your time speaking to us there

17:37

about the very real concerns over

17:40

the termination of US aid funding.

17:42

What's up, Mandy? On 072. 7.02.1.

17:45

7.2. I don't know how it's

17:47

going to be a brand new.

17:49

I think that should live as

17:52

soon as possible. One of the

17:54

people who know their stories when

17:56

it comes to safety is delivered.

17:59

Thank you 7.02. Hi, Mindy. You

18:01

know, things that are done by

18:04

this ANC criminals. We need to

18:06

remove this ANC guys. You know,

18:08

how should we name our street?

18:11

with somebody who is not even

18:13

South African, somebody who has a

18:15

terrorist, even if she was a

18:18

freedom fighter, was not our freedom

18:20

fighter, she is Palestinian. So why

18:23

are we naming our roads after,

18:25

hey, you know, Jobbeck is messed

18:27

up, Mindy, Jobbeck is messed up,

18:30

but only thing that is worried

18:32

about is changing names, is wrong.

18:34

I think data's making the point

18:37

that it wasn't his initiative. He's

18:39

saying, well, this was an initiative

18:42

that came in five years ago,

18:44

and I think there's a bit

18:46

of ball passing that's going on

18:49

here. But of course, diplomatically is

18:51

not a very clever thing to

18:53

do, but many people would say,

18:56

what do we care? Nate says

18:58

the fact that money is being

19:01

blown on influences, is being blown

19:03

on influences, out of the whole

19:05

country. wanting to further antagonize the

19:08

US by renaming Santon Drive to

19:10

someone we don't even know. Hi

19:12

Mandy, that I must have done,

19:15

I read that one a couple

19:17

of times, sorry about that. Renaming

19:20

Santon Drive is going to cost

19:22

real South Africans their jobs. What

19:24

is ethical or moral about that?

19:27

Ask them, ANC arrogance is costing

19:29

real South Africans jobs and then

19:31

another suggestion that we should be

19:34

renaming roads after plants. and trees

19:36

and flowers. That's a good idea.

19:39

What's up Mandy? On 072, 702,

19:41

1, 702. surprise about the springbox

19:43

title sponsor changing. What is a

19:46

surprise is that pick and pay

19:48

are sponsoring. I feel like that's

19:50

a bit of a losing battle

19:53

and a little bit too little

19:55

too late I'm afraid. The afternoon

19:58

Mindy and 7-0-2 listeners I don't

20:00

suppose this thing of changing names

20:02

you man especially with that Palestinian

20:05

woman we got People here were

20:07

influential. Like example, Ivan Kosa, Doctor,

20:09

who, don't need your time. People,

20:12

I, Lejoua, I'm from Pruduri, thank

20:14

you. I'm Mandy, Mandy. Mandy, I

20:17

think we should rename something, Drive,

20:19

to Jacob, to just be, Kejakegis,

20:21

Zuma, Zuma, Yeah. then let's see

20:24

how Americans are going to be

20:26

able to pronounce that our embassy

20:28

is that yeah. I don't know

20:31

what to say about that. I

20:33

mean can you imagine there there

20:35

is 45% of Qazu didn't tell

20:38

that would support that that motion

20:40

keep that in mind of course.

20:43

Look I think the real issue

20:45

here is that it's deeply divisive.

20:47

It also directly contravenes the city's

20:50

own street renaming policy and the

20:52

city's renaming policy says very clearly,

20:54

and this was a 2017 policy

20:57

on naming streets in public places,

20:59

that we should emphasize names with

21:02

local significance, that foster unity, and

21:04

that build a cohesive community. And

21:06

this just does not do that.

21:09

702, the midday report, Monday to

21:11

Friday. 12 to 1 p.m. Now

21:13

we know the A&S is working

21:16

very hard to try and get

21:18

support for the budget, so they're

21:21

going to various political parties to

21:23

try and garner support. on X,

21:25

a statement saying the ANC has

21:28

asked to meet with us to

21:30

negotiate our support for the budget

21:32

in Parliament and Bosa has conditions.

21:35

That increase is not on the

21:37

table in any shape or form.

21:40

We'll see my money joining us

21:42

now. We'll see good afternoon to

21:44

you. Thank you very much for

21:47

your time. Did you get a

21:49

call from the ANC or what's

21:51

happening? No, certainly. It's part of

21:54

democracy at work, so it's nothing

21:56

abnormal in the abnormal in the

21:59

sense that the job of a

22:01

chief whip is to go around

22:03

to various parties to whip the

22:06

votes as it were and as

22:08

a party represented in parliament they've

22:10

requested to meet with us and

22:13

I felt it was important that

22:15

these meetings must not take place

22:18

without the public knowing what goes

22:20

into them and we wanted to

22:22

be clear up front that we

22:25

came to parliament to represent South

22:27

African so it's important to South

22:29

Africans to know what we are

22:32

going to put forward at that

22:34

meeting and what we are going

22:37

to put forward is a growth

22:39

charter that says how do we

22:41

grow our economy and ultimately in

22:44

the budget making process because the

22:46

consideration is both not only for

22:48

this year but it's also for

22:51

a three-year trajectory and therefore the

22:53

considerations can't just be so so

22:56

to say what happens in 2025-2026

22:58

but they must say in the

23:00

outside year what is the sort

23:03

of growth expectations you want what

23:05

decisions you need to make now

23:07

that will achieve growth and employment

23:10

for South Africans What are your

23:12

conditions is around the size of

23:15

government and the size of the

23:17

cabinet as well I imagine? What

23:19

are some of your arguments in

23:22

terms of your conditions? Well, that's

23:24

a classic example. We have seen

23:26

a profound increase not only in

23:29

the budget of the presidency, it's

23:31

seen the highest increase thanks to

23:34

a number of projects that are

23:36

taking place. but the G&U cabinet

23:38

is the largest we've ever seen

23:41

in democratic. history. We've got multiple

23:43

deputy ministers who are here what

23:45

they are doing. Now again, I'm

23:48

always cautious not to say let's

23:50

cut millions in order to save

23:52

billions, but in this instance where

23:55

we took for argument, say cut

23:57

the cabinet in the outer years

24:00

or even in the next year,

24:02

you could immediately take that savings

24:04

of close to about 600 million

24:07

ran because that speaks to issues

24:09

like their security, transport all of

24:11

these logistics funds for who have

24:14

desperately said they're under incapacitated and

24:16

if we add additional resources to

24:19

SARS we can be able to

24:21

capacity them to attract more revenue

24:23

into the fiscal. So practical things

24:26

like that require us to make

24:28

choices and I think what we

24:30

cannot do is just simply to

24:33

go into a budget negotiation and

24:35

say well here the that conversation

24:38

but we've were having it in

24:40

the light of saying what are

24:42

the policy choices that we need

24:45

to make. That's the size of

24:47

the executive but we also think

24:49

the rationalization of SOEs is on

24:52

the table, we think that aspects

24:54

such as how well we do

24:57

some of the efficiency in spending,

24:59

these things can be put on

25:01

the table, i.e. things like fetus

25:04

etc. That must be an important

25:06

conversation to have, otherwise South Africa

25:08

will keep doing the same things

25:11

and hoping for different outcomes. So

25:13

just to understand this correctly, would

25:16

both consider supporting the budget if

25:18

the actual contents of the budget

25:20

were to change and is that

25:23

an absolute no-go area for use?

25:25

You wouldn't support an 0.5% increase?

25:27

Well I think we certainly don't

25:30

think that that is the first

25:32

starting point. I think an expenditure

25:35

cut in certain aspects must be

25:37

the starting point. If you're not

25:39

willing to cut any expenditure and

25:42

simply have a government that carries

25:44

on... spending in the same way.

25:46

saying we want to correct the

25:49

wrongs of corruption, we want to

25:51

fix the way the state works

25:54

so that consumers or taxpayers are

25:56

not having to fund it more

25:58

and more. So I think you

26:01

can't have one without the other.

26:03

If you are going to make

26:05

it a sticking point to say

26:08

that must be increased, best you

26:10

be clear that in compensation there

26:13

must be significant cuts or the

26:15

whole thing cannot work. So the

26:17

budget, we want a budget that

26:20

focuses on growth. but we also

26:22

think that the state needs to

26:24

be able to make its own

26:27

significant cuts and that's the work

26:29

I've been doing in committee to

26:32

say how do we show some

26:34

cuts for citizens so that citizens

26:36

can understand the sacrifices that need

26:39

to be made. Must be my

26:41

money, thank you very much, bold

26:43

one South Africa leader speaking to

26:46

us there about the approach from

26:48

the ANC for Bosa to support

26:50

the budget. Let's take a look

26:53

at some court stories for you

26:55

now, two suspects appearing in court

26:58

in connection with the attacks in

27:00

Soshangouve over the weekend. Yesterday the

27:02

police minister said to him, Bruno,

27:05

visiting the area and telling us

27:07

about those arrests, also promising more

27:09

arrests for the deaths of six

27:12

community safety patrolers. Homato Modice, EWR

27:14

reporter in court for us, Homato,

27:17

good afternoon. Tell us about the

27:19

court appearance today. Good afternoon, Mandy.

27:21

Well, two of these suspects, it's

27:24

a 27-year-old and a 50-year-old man,

27:26

appeared here in the Pretoria North

27:28

Magistrates Court in camera. The matter

27:31

was closed to the public because

27:33

they're still going to be an

27:36

identity parade of the accused. They

27:38

are going to be taken through

27:40

and some of the survivors of

27:43

this brutal attack will be brought

27:45

in to identify whether they are

27:47

the suspects. They also get separately

27:50

mandate and that's of course their

27:52

matches haven't been joined yet. You're

27:55

still with us? I'm with you

27:57

Mandy, can you hear me? There

27:59

we go, there we go, we

28:02

can hear you. Sorry, you were

28:04

just saying that their matters haven't

28:06

been joined yet. That's right, so

28:09

the matters haven't been joined yet,

28:11

and that's because they haven't been

28:14

taken through the identity parade. Once

28:16

they've been positively identified by the

28:18

members of the community, then their

28:21

Matson will be joined together. firearm

28:23

and one of them is facing

28:25

a contravention of the immigration act

28:28

we understand that he is illegally

28:30

in the country. Yeah what else

28:33

do we know about these two

28:35

because we had this announcement from

28:37

the police minister yesterday that one

28:40

was an undocumented foreigner what else

28:42

do we know about who they

28:44

are and what the motive may

28:47

have been? Very

28:49

little at the state and I think

28:51

that the court was very intentional about

28:53

keeping the information You know away in

28:56

private the media got very strict instructions

28:58

not to publish a lot about the

29:00

accused and that's because of the identity

29:02

parade You'll know Mandy that before people

29:04

are taken from identity parade the state

29:07

tries to preserve You know the entire

29:09

method to ensure that the defense doesn't

29:11

argue one day that the identities have

29:13

been published so much and the public

29:15

knows so much that the identity parade

29:18

is then seen as null and void

29:20

so we know very little about them

29:22

but we have seen today however that

29:24

one of them is illegally in the

29:26

country or at least that's the that

29:29

is the allegation we also know that

29:31

one of the accused the 50 year

29:33

old man told the court that he

29:35

has been assaulted while in police custody

29:37

and he wants medical attention but apart

29:40

from that we know very little about

29:42

the accused that appeared in court today.

29:45

Surprisingly not Mandy, the Pretoria High

29:47

Court magistrates court, for a North

29:49

magistrates court, pretty quiet. I mean,

29:51

the state had even prepared for

29:53

community members to come. There's a

29:56

heavy police presence here, which you

29:58

don't usually see when they're on

30:00

high profile networks. And I think

30:02

that preparation was for the community

30:04

members that are going to come

30:06

to court, but they haven't really

30:09

been any. I believe that they

30:11

are all preparing for the Indaba

30:13

and the meeting later on with

30:15

officials. We know that there's going

30:17

to be a conversation with community

30:19

members there a little later on

30:22

together with the Premier Panias Ali

30:24

Suzy. I believe they are ready

30:26

to make their frustrations known there.

30:28

So many of them have stayed

30:30

away from court. But even if

30:32

they were here, Mandy, they wouldn't

30:34

have an opportunity to see the

30:37

accused because there has been an

30:39

order that's made that no one

30:41

should see the accused until the

30:43

identity parade. Homoto, thank you very

30:45

much. Homoto Modice, E.W.N. reporter at

30:47

their court appearance today, two people

30:50

appearing in court in connection with

30:52

the Soshankove murders. And as she

30:54

also mentioned, Paniaso Sulfi, the Hauting

30:56

Premier, also the mayor of Tuane

30:58

are going to be in that

31:00

area this afternoon for a memorial

31:03

service. So I imagine a lot

31:05

of focus on that this afternoon.

31:07

702, the midday report, Monday to

31:09

Friday. 1248 on the Madere report.

31:11

We speak often about policing in

31:13

Quaude Natal and what the situation

31:16

is with policing. We've seen a

31:18

large number of shootouts that have

31:20

resulted in a number of suspects

31:22

being killed. And the police watchdog

31:24

Eipad's concerns about case incident policing

31:26

following these various... deadly shootings in

31:29

the province. And Kanklermabas, or E.W.N.

31:31

reporter, has been speaking to residents

31:33

in different parts of the province

31:35

about the state of policing, what

31:37

they make about the arpid boss's

31:39

comments that she's worried about policing

31:42

in the province as well. And

31:44

Kankler, good afternoon to you. Thank

31:46

you very much for your time.

31:48

Firstly, let's place this in context.

31:50

What has been happening over the

31:52

past few months with these shootings?

31:55

Well maybe what we know according

31:57

to police is that whenever they

32:00

go in that rest the suspected

32:02

criminals they are met with heavy

32:04

campfire which then leads to them

32:06

retaliating and then of course in

32:09

those shootout incidents where you'd have

32:11

suspected criminals or short-end killed there

32:13

are some incidents where all all

32:15

suspected criminals were killed there are

32:18

some incidents like the recent one

32:20

in Amanda where those shoot out

32:22

two suspects who surrendered were arrested

32:24

but those who did not operate

32:26

lawful orders were killed. And I

32:29

must mention that mainly since last

32:31

year up to date over 100

32:33

suspected criminals rather had been killed

32:35

by police in parts of the

32:38

province. So as to mention mainly

32:40

that there are over 13 officers

32:42

that were also shot and killed

32:44

during various police operation. I know

32:47

of two officers that stopped in

32:49

car and then suspected criminals opened

32:51

fire at them just last month.

32:53

The constant women in Veno Jabashi

32:55

from the police. The public got

32:58

a police from Marianne. He was

33:00

shot and killed in his hometown

33:02

of Indiana, was robbed of his

33:04

phone, and a duty service pistol

33:07

rather maybe. So there's been those

33:09

deadly shootouts between suspected criminals and

33:11

policemen. What is the sentiment from

33:13

the public regarding this? We get

33:16

so much support on what-up voice

33:18

notes on the SMS line from

33:20

people. And the sentiment on social

33:22

media certainly is that this is

33:24

the way that police need to

33:27

handle the situation. Indeed, man, it's

33:29

very difficult even for me to

33:31

get people who share different views,

33:33

especially here. in the province of

33:36

Guadaluna Tal. Well, some pointing to

33:38

the fact that historically this is

33:40

a violent province pointing to, you

33:42

know, political violence, taxi violence and

33:45

robberies that have been, especially in

33:47

communities like Inana, in the north

33:49

of Devon, where community members have

33:51

certain reasons. concerned about how difficult

33:53

it is to stay in those

33:56

parts. Not surprisingly, mainly you'd recall

33:58

that in 2021, this particular in

34:00

the area was the right capital

34:02

of South Africa. It's been named

34:05

more than three times the rate

34:07

capital of South Africa. So, South

34:09

Africa still is the right capital

34:11

and another capital here in Gaza.

34:14

So, most of these deadly shootings

34:16

happen there. And now a lot

34:18

of people in the province, maybe

34:20

that at least that I've spoken

34:22

to In fact, we just spoke

34:25

to a few now and they

34:27

are all echoing sentiment that, you

34:29

know, this is how they prefer

34:31

police should respond. They do, however,

34:34

say some of them mention that

34:36

where police have done wrongfully, they

34:38

have to work out, but they

34:40

pointed to various incidents, knowing the

34:43

fact that police have been killed.

34:45

They say that police also have

34:47

to protect themselves. There's an issue

34:49

also mainly of generalism. has been

34:51

praised largely in his approach in

34:54

dealing with crime. Some people are

34:56

even pointing to as far as

34:58

his deputy provincial commissioner, Pomellama Corb,

35:00

but responsible for policing and operations.

35:03

I've also praised his deputy provincial

35:05

commissioner, Major General Amco, who's responsible

35:07

for detectives. They're pointing to various

35:09

cases and how well they were

35:12

proved, looking at the ADA case

35:14

among them. So they believe that

35:16

Madamquinaz is a men at work.

35:18

But they then also think the

35:20

recent statements by IP, well that's

35:23

what people say mainly, are a

35:25

work of politicians, that's what they

35:27

say. But IP has been saying

35:29

that it wants people in the

35:32

province mainly to come out. You

35:34

have seen the IP both that

35:36

I'm particularly touching, that people in

35:38

case that are not coming out

35:41

with information. That is something that

35:43

is witness. on the ground of

35:45

eyewitnesses. The only people who have

35:47

met are people who are praising

35:49

them. police work, but they do

35:52

say many, though, but where police

35:54

are wrong, they lost account. And

35:56

lastly, and frankly, what is the

35:58

collaboration like with IPID and the

36:01

police? I mean, are we seeing

36:03

these shootings being properly investigated? Are

36:05

we seeing any kind of accountability?

36:07

Or is it more does the

36:09

tick box exercise? Well, ma'am, you

36:12

have not seen really any discipline,

36:14

not a process taking place in

36:16

the province, but I must mention,

36:18

you know, IP use doing a

36:21

job. I've never been to a

36:23

deadly crime scene where there are

36:25

no officers from IP to arrive

36:27

at the scene. In fact, some

36:30

of them arrive moments after the

36:32

scene happens and they even arrive

36:34

before the police top brush and

36:36

are allowed and given space to

36:38

do their own investigations. I think

36:41

maybe by now, I could have

36:43

a concrete report at least of

36:45

what they find. when they go

36:47

to this deadly season. But for

36:50

now, the only thing we've heard

36:52

from them is that they want

36:54

people, it wasn't much to come

36:56

out, which I think mainly will

36:59

be one of the most difficult

37:01

times because you've got a problem

37:03

that praises the provincial commissioner's approach

37:05

to crime. I mean, every way

37:07

that I'm one of the goals,

37:10

we did festive season lunch with

37:12

him, the walkabouts and the mons.

37:14

That's when you know that people

37:16

are welcoming when. They are happy

37:19

to see a government servant and

37:21

then they are screaming, ah, Babu

37:23

Kana, we taxi owners are happy

37:25

about what they say is the

37:28

peace that he's instilled in the

37:30

taxi associations. You'd recall there was

37:32

an issue of a blockade on

37:34

the entry highway where he landed

37:36

with a helicopter with no protection

37:39

mainly speaking to arm the taxi

37:41

owners saying that we cannot as

37:43

police officers try to do a

37:45

job and yet you disagree. It

37:48

needs to be that there's a

37:50

fight, then let's fight. Close code,

37:52

that was mukonahs and their owners

37:54

were like, no, we're not fighting.

37:57

It's for the first time where

37:59

we see taxi buses and really

38:01

breaking off from violence. The first

38:03

time where we see really the

38:05

fight against... extortion, you know, the

38:08

province going down, but again, that

38:10

doesn't leave the fact that there

38:12

are still concerns about how policing

38:14

is done in the province and

38:17

how the police, what stroke IP

38:19

is concerned. And it's so calling

38:21

on communities to come out to

38:23

give IP the necessary information it

38:26

needs. I'm glad that thank you

38:28

very much. In fact, I'm a

38:30

Baso E.W. and reporter in Kuzulon-Itel,

38:32

speaking there, to residents of KZIN,

38:34

about policing in the province and

38:37

concerns raised by Aipid. What's up,

38:39

Mandy? On 072, 702. One, 702.

38:41

Good afternoon, South Africa. The listeners,

38:43

Mandy. I hope you're keeping well.

38:46

You see, no, man. I thought

38:48

we were past this thing of...

38:50

What we're going to name that

38:52

road or whatever the road is

38:55

there in Pretoria or Johannesburg? I

38:57

thought we were done and over

38:59

with that But last I checked

39:01

they wanted to do name it

39:03

after some lady It's like hijacked

39:06

the plane or it's like a

39:08

form of terrorism, but I mean

39:10

she hijacked the plane I mean,

39:12

I don't think that's really something

39:15

that's to look up to rather

39:17

name it Good afternoon, Mandy, Norma

39:19

from Montreal. The renaming of Santon

39:21

Drive and the fact that some

39:23

other political person started the whole

39:25

process is just not the right

39:27

answer. Thank you. Thank you very

39:29

much for all of your WhatsApp

39:31

voice notes on this issue. I

39:33

think it is going to be

39:35

one that continues to evoke a

39:37

lot of very polarizing opinions, but

39:39

lots of criticism it seems around

39:42

the renaming of Santon Drive because

39:44

it does so division and it

39:46

does contradict the city's renaming policy

39:48

and we have other more important

39:50

problems in this country, such as

39:52

I see stories breaking right now

39:54

that 50... nationals who May

39:56

have been kidnapped,

39:58

or we don't

40:00

know yet, have

40:02

escaped from a

40:04

house in from a

40:06

house in Lombardy of of North East of

40:08

Joberg So this has few weeks

40:11

ago a few Lombardi in Lombardy East so

40:13

is on the scene police

40:15

are aware of this and

40:17

they have arrested some. some

40:19

But if you are

40:21

in the Lombardi East East

40:23

area area around the N3 just be

40:26

aware of that developing

40:28

story as well as police

40:30

are searching for, it seems

40:32

like few dozen, foreign nationals

40:34

have escaped from a a

40:36

house. happens far too frequently

40:38

at the moment in in Joe

40:41

Berg.