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Hello everyone, and welcome to

2:05

another day on the Mindvalley podcast. Today,

2:07

we have another exciting adventure

2:09

with one and only Sean Wells.

2:11

He is a nutritional biochemist

2:13

and he has formulated and

2:15

patented over a supplements to help

2:17

people pioneer their health. Sean,

2:19

thank you so much for

2:22

being with us today. Oh,

2:24

thank you for having me. Well,

2:26

I'm excited to talk about

2:28

your latest discovery and formulation

2:30

for Mindvalley States, But but we

2:32

delve into that, I'd like

2:34

to know what inspired you

2:36

personally to start on this

2:39

journey of formulating supplements. I

2:42

had a difficult

2:44

childhood, a a lot of

2:46

stress, a a lot of trauma. And

2:48

I ended up being a

2:50

junk food junkie, soothing myself

2:52

with food and morbidly obese. I

2:55

was laughed at by the

2:57

girls. I had teachers make

2:59

fun of me. I was

3:01

bullied for it. So

3:03

So I kind of compounded what

3:05

was already bad and difficult

3:07

in my childhood. But

3:09

But I got to college, I was

3:11

going to the school Babson, the number one

3:14

business specialty school in the country in

3:16

the US. and doing

3:18

what people had told me to do,

3:20

go to business school, be smart. It

3:23

It wasn't my passion, but I

3:25

started working out in between my

3:27

sophomore and junior year and I

3:29

lost a lot of fats, gained

3:31

a lot of muscle, using

3:33

all kinds of supplements. Things

3:36

like creatine had just come

3:38

out, protein, BCAAs.

3:42

And I went to my doctor to

3:44

get a physical before my junior

3:46

year in college. And I

3:48

told him all about all these things that I

3:50

was doing. I was so excited. He saw

3:52

the transformation in my body and

3:56

looked at me and

3:58

saw my enthusiasm. enthusiasm and out

4:01

on a piece of paper

4:03

a lifeline he said This

4:05

is 20 This is

4:07

80 Why not

4:09

be happy between here and here?

4:13

And was just like What

4:15

just happened? He

4:17

just saw like how passionate and

4:19

lit up I was About

4:21

supplements and I expected this doctor

4:24

to essentially make fun of

4:26

supplements, but instead he did the

4:28

opposite He gave me Permission

4:31

to pursue my passion and this

4:33

was before The Oprah's

4:35

and Tony Robbins and social medias

4:38

and Instagram influencers saying to go

4:40

do those things at that time I

4:42

was just told be smart go to

4:45

school You know get a

4:47

job at a consulting firm make hundred thousand

4:49

dollars a year and be happy and

4:52

and None of that sound like it

4:54

would make me happy, but this Getting

4:57

permission to pursue my

4:59

passion From someone who's

5:01

smart and accomplished Changed

5:04

my whole life path. There

5:06

would be no Shawn Wells

5:08

would be no thousand

5:10

formulas and 40 ingredients that

5:12

I've patented There wouldn't

5:14

be me speaking on stages.

5:17

There wouldn't be the influence that

5:19

I've had Without that one

5:21

man saying those things to

5:23

me You remember his name? I? I

5:26

Don't and I've tried to

5:28

go back Because

5:30

the time I didn't realize

5:32

just how special it was but

5:35

I've I've mentioned him in my

5:37

book the energy formula and

5:40

I really what he said to

5:42

me But I think it wasn't

5:44

about him, you know getting credit

5:46

for that and I think about

5:48

it all the time to my words

5:50

can have massive impact on people

5:52

Would you say it was the

5:55

supplementation that really affected your state

5:57

of your health or was it the

5:59

state? of your mind that changed the

6:01

state of your health. Oh,

6:03

that's great. There's

6:05

not one without the other, for sure.

6:08

And I believe

6:10

very passionately, one, one,

6:13

you do need these nutrients. These

6:15

nutrients can have transformative power when

6:17

they're in the right form, in the

6:19

right dose, with the right

6:21

timing. All of that's very important.

6:24

There's a giant scam in

6:26

the industry called proprietary blends, where

6:29

they'll put 17 ingredients all

6:31

together and it'll be 500

6:33

milligrams. It's incredibly underdosed

6:36

for all the ingredients. And

6:38

it's a giant scam,

6:40

always avoid avoid blends.

6:45

But when you give the right

6:47

form, the right dose, the

6:49

right timing, and they have the studies

6:51

behind them, these can be powerful ingredients.

6:54

But I also believe, one,

6:56

there's bio -individuality, meaning

6:58

all different, and I

7:00

can't guarantee your genetics or

7:02

how those genetics get

7:04

expressed as epigenetics. And

7:07

then, two, the

7:09

state of your nervous system, I

7:12

think is profoundly important.

7:14

Meaning, like

7:16

I was depressed, when I was

7:19

in these states where I

7:21

was suicidal, my nervous

7:23

system was very dysregulated. I

7:25

always in fight or flight, sympathetic

7:27

nervous system. I would

7:29

have not used these nutrients

7:31

nearly as well. What

7:34

does that mean? You mean You mean

7:36

body? couldn't body it? My body absorb them, utilize

7:38

them, and put them to work

7:40

nearly as well, because I'm in fight

7:42

or flight. It's not in a

7:44

state, like parasympathetic is known

7:46

as rest and digest. Digest

7:49

meaning it's able to break

7:51

these things down, use these

7:53

nutrients, deliver them to

7:55

where they need to be. Instead,

7:58

people that are, in fight

8:00

flight that are in sympathetic nervous

8:02

system. often aren't getting the

8:05

benefits of these nutrients. So

8:07

I do think it's very important to. seek

8:10

out self -care to

8:12

get therapy, to ground

8:14

yourself, to do meditation,

8:16

breath work, to get

8:19

into parasympathetic. Just as

8:21

much. It's important to get into nervous

8:23

system. Sometimes we have to go chase

8:25

it. We need to get it done.

8:27

We need to get productive. but

8:30

it's also important to

8:32

relax, to be zen, to

8:34

go inwards. And I

8:36

think we're always told about the power

8:38

of being in sympathetic, the power of being

8:40

in your masculine, the your power of going

8:42

and getting it in a capitalistic world.

8:45

But not told about the power of

8:49

relaxing, power of self -care, the power of

8:51

getting in your feminine, the power of

8:53

taking care of your body. Although

8:57

the doing and the

9:00

achieving I I see

9:02

that as masculine necessarily.

9:04

see the doing and achieving which

9:06

comes from the ego as

9:08

being in your immature masculine energy

9:10

because the state of rest

9:12

can also be masculine. You can be

9:14

in a state of rest

9:16

but being in your mature masculine

9:18

energy of knowing that I

9:20

got everything under control so I

9:22

can allow my body to rest.

9:25

But Um, one thing that fascinates

9:27

me here, uh, when

9:29

we are in fight flight. Does

9:33

that make supplementation useless? I

9:37

don't know about useless. I think

9:39

you may have to dose these

9:41

things higher. You may have to

9:43

expect that it will take longer. You

9:46

may may have to find moments

9:48

of Zen. maybe as you're taking

9:51

the supplement, this will be a

9:53

big part of our mind valley states, is

9:56

gratitude at the time

9:58

being in essentially prayer

10:00

gratitude when taking the

10:02

supplement. Thinking about what

10:04

that supplement is supposed to do, you

10:07

know a common prayer is that you know thank you

10:09

you for the food we're

10:11

about to receive, like let it nourish

10:13

our bodies. That's actually a very potent

10:16

prayer. Thinking about what

10:18

you have before you. Having the

10:20

gratitude that you're about to eat

10:22

this meal that many people won't

10:24

eat a meal today And that this

10:26

meal will nourish and strengthen your

10:28

body so that you can achieve, so

10:30

that you can be a gift

10:32

to God, an instrument for God. And

10:35

I do believe the same is true with

10:37

a supplement. If we hold that supplement and

10:39

think about the benefit, have gratitude for it,

10:41

what the power of it's supposed to be,

10:43

where it's supposed to go, I

10:45

believe that the effect will be

10:48

heightened. So So have the power

10:50

to alchemize the supplements. That's

10:52

great. I love that. Yes. Back

10:56

to the term heightened.

10:59

proprietary blend is a

11:01

scam. Yes. Is

11:03

that a marketing scam to

11:05

get people to purchase the supplements?

11:07

A hundred percent. Okay, Okay. does

11:09

that really mean when it

11:12

says proprietary? So proprietary

11:14

blend is is could

11:16

have as many ingredients

11:18

and this is completely

11:20

legal. For

11:22

example, you have the muscle and

11:25

power blend. There's 17 ingredients

11:27

in this blend and it's

11:29

a thousand milligrams. The first ingredient

11:31

this in order of descending

11:34

mass, meaning that it

11:36

goes from the most massed

11:39

weight the least.

11:41

The first ingredient could

11:43

be 999 milligrams. The

11:46

other 16 ingredients could

11:48

be one milligram. Wow.

11:52

So is completely legal to

11:54

do. So can pick

11:56

an ingredient, that first ingredient

11:59

that the cheapest and

12:01

then they can have a whole bunch of

12:03

other ingredients that you know of that you've heard

12:06

of that you've seen that wow that

12:08

got this it's got this it's

12:10

got this I've heard of all these

12:12

these are incredible I just saw an

12:14

article on this I just saw

12:16

this one on the news this is

12:18

a great formula and yet it

12:20

essentially has none of those things in

12:23

it and this is a giant scam and

12:25

it's very frustrating so proprietary

12:27

is a way for supplement

12:29

companies to hide what really

12:31

is in the blend and

12:33

how much correct the only

12:35

thing I could guarantee you

12:38

is the majority of whatever's in

12:40

that blend is probably the

12:42

first ingredient and you essentially

12:44

have almost none of all

12:46

the other ingredients so

12:50

I'm understanding from what you're saying we need

12:53

to help the but when

12:55

no matter how many supplements

12:57

we're taking we need to

12:59

help the body alchemize the

13:02

supplementations putting it in the

13:04

parasympathetic nervous system states we

13:06

can get the most out

13:08

of the nutrients in the

13:10

supplements correct you earlier that there

13:12

was a study where when

13:15

supplementation was happening the were put

13:17

in a state of relaxation

13:21

right said with the ketamine

13:23

therapy when labor oh yes

13:25

so dr. Matt who is

13:27

very famous for his

13:29

ketamine therapy ketamine is

13:31

legal as a therapy

13:33

in a clinical environment

13:35

in the United States it's

13:37

typically used for anxiety

13:39

and depression but people

13:41

have breakthroughs similar to

13:43

psychedelic journeys in ketamine

13:47

ketamine will dissociate you in higher

13:49

doses it's used clinically as an

13:51

anesthetic so literally you can operate

13:53

on someone so you can

13:55

be dissociated you can be in

13:57

this parasympathetic state that you

14:00

are relaxed and so much so if

14:02

you go deep enough that I

14:04

could operate on you. But

14:06

what he does is

14:08

times that with

14:10

exosomes, stem cells, PRP,

14:12

these are biologics

14:14

that will enhance

14:17

and essentially give the

14:19

body more youth, as

14:21

well as things to

14:23

reset the mitochondria, things like

14:25

NAD as IV. So

14:28

a full body reset because

14:30

the body is in a

14:32

complete state of receiving because

14:34

it's relaxed. And for

14:36

a lot of people, like

14:38

I was in my youth

14:40

most certainly and even

14:42

up through probably about four or

14:44

five years ago prior to

14:46

my first experience in psychedelics, I

14:49

was very with my

14:51

nervous system. I was always in fight

14:53

or flight. I I

14:56

was in what would call, you can

14:58

call it what you want, I would

15:00

call it like wounded masculine. when I was

15:02

in Peru, they called it wounded Puma, like

15:05

energy. I was

15:07

always going and getting it eight,

15:09

hours a week, but I

15:11

was very wounded in my

15:13

masculine. And so I had

15:15

a dysregulated nervous system. I

15:17

was not able to rest

15:19

and digest. I could not

15:21

fall asleep without drugs. When

15:25

the lights went off, my brain went crazy,

15:27

you know, with the monkey mind thinking about

15:29

all the things I should have said, all

15:31

thinking about all the things I could have

15:33

done. And my

15:35

life was in the

15:38

space of imposter syndrome

15:40

and insecurity. I was

15:42

always worried about the rooms I

15:44

would walk into if I

15:46

could receive love. And

15:49

was fleeting for me because I believed

15:51

that love had to be earned and

15:53

love could be taken away. So

15:55

I was always a human doing not

15:57

a human being. And I

15:59

did know unconditional love was. I didn't

16:01

know that you could just be

16:03

love for being you. So

16:05

I was always trying to earn

16:07

my way into rooms, earn my

16:09

way into receiving your love or

16:12

adulation. And I

16:14

was never in a state of

16:16

receiving. How do you

16:18

think psychedelics helped you? So

16:22

first experience on psychedelics it

16:24

in psilocybin mushrooms. I

16:26

was in a room filled

16:28

with celebrities. If I went

16:30

through this list, you would

16:32

know all 20 very,

16:34

very popular people, very well known. And

16:37

for that reason, I was I was

16:39

like, why am I even in this

16:41

room? And I and I scared to

16:43

even introduce myself or brag on myself

16:45

in this case. So I just kind

16:47

of, kind of of out in the

16:49

corner. And I ended up taking

16:51

the psilocybin the facilitators were amazing. This

16:53

was a a great experience. very safe. But

16:56

I ended up on a cuddle puddle

16:58

on the floor. That's what they call this,

17:01

like when you have like pillows and blankets.

17:03

And I was just laying on the floor

17:05

receiving touch from people. And

17:08

that was, I I mean, that's my

17:10

love language. I didn't receive that

17:12

much when I was growing up. I

17:14

didn't feel like a loving touch.

17:16

And it was so calming and sweet.

17:18

And people holding space for

17:20

me. I was going very deep in

17:22

the medicine. Other people weren't necessarily nearly

17:24

as deep as I was. And

17:27

people were just laying

17:29

around me, helping me,

17:31

laughing with me holding space for

17:33

me. And it

17:35

was like one of those time lapse, you

17:38

know, movies where people were kind of swirling

17:40

in and out of my cuddle the entire

17:42

night. I never moved the

17:44

entire night. And

17:47

I this epiphany of why? Like,

17:49

would people do this for me?

17:51

These people don't know who

17:54

I am. They're so

17:56

important. Why would they

17:58

be kind to me? And

18:01

my aha was I

18:05

I can be loved. I can

18:07

have love I

18:09

don't have to do anything to

18:11

earn love. And

18:15

And that was mind blowing for

18:17

me. I I remember

18:20

staring at the ceiling, Still

18:23

there like everyone

18:25

was asleep, just thinking

18:28

This everything in my life. that

18:31

I no longer had to

18:34

stay in that wounded puma energy.

18:36

that I could just be then

18:39

I could just be loved. I could just have

18:41

love. so that not

18:43

only shifted. the

18:47

love for myself, but the way that I

18:49

showed up for others. I

18:51

always felt like I was giving. I I

18:54

was I was giver, but it was just

18:56

emptying my cup. Mm-hmm. And

18:59

now that I felt filled with love.

19:03

From God, for myself That's

19:07

unconditional. that cup

19:09

never felt empty. So

19:12

you no longer at the mercy of

19:14

your mood. It sounds like you entered

19:16

that room at the mercy

19:18

of the Impostor syndrome was

19:20

playing in your head that not

19:23

good enough. They're better than you Why

19:25

would anybody love you and this

19:27

and psychedelics helped? With

19:30

mood. it that mood Um,

19:33

I always say we

19:35

the people are at

19:37

the mercy of our moods,

19:39

but with your background,

19:41

um, it sounds

19:44

to me that supplementations

19:46

can empower us to

19:48

not be at the

19:50

mercy of our moods because

19:52

moods can be due to to,

19:56

Basically moods we experience be due to

19:58

lack of supplementation. or

20:00

of nutrients that we need

20:03

inside of our bodies. Can

20:05

you tell what a nutrient lacking

20:07

lacking based on their mood?

20:10

Oh, sure. I I think, you

20:12

know, first off, genetically there's

20:14

huge differences with all of

20:16

us. Like, example, one one of

20:19

the ingredients that's in the

20:21

Mindvalley that I've actually created

20:23

and patented with my team is

20:26

called parazanthine. That's

20:28

a metabolite of caffeine. About

20:30

60 % of us do

20:33

not metabolize caffeine well via

20:35

the CYP1A2 gene. gene. And

20:37

this means that many of

20:39

us, this is leading to

20:41

part of that dysregulated nervous

20:43

system because we're experiencing brain

20:46

fog, anxiety, agitation, sleep disruption

20:48

from caffeine. We don't all

20:50

experience caffeine the same way.

20:52

And so this is

20:54

true of so many

20:57

nutrients. Another one the MTHFR

20:59

gene in how we

21:01

metabolize folate. Folate is

21:03

an important B vitamin has

21:05

to do with anemia

21:07

and having enough energy. about

21:10

40 % of us

21:12

don't metabolize folic acid

21:14

well unless we

21:16

get it in the active form, which

21:18

is called called

21:21

5-methyltetrahydrofolate. And so if

21:23

we don't get that active form,

21:25

we can end up anemic though we're

21:27

getting enough folic acid. If we

21:29

end up getting a lot of

21:31

caffeine, we can have sleep disruption,

21:33

brain fog, and agitation. So

21:37

if you don't understand these things, you

21:40

are really at

21:42

the mercy of

21:44

a lot of these supplements that

21:46

are not formulated well or

21:49

even beverages or foods that

21:51

are not supplemented well with

21:53

the right nutrients. So

21:55

can end up in states where you're

21:57

tired, where you have brain fog. where

21:59

you're low on energy, and

22:02

of course, that's going to lead

22:04

to dysregulated moods when you're not

22:06

sleeping well, when you're not feeling

22:08

good, when you're not focused. So

22:11

humans are at the mercy

22:13

of their moods. Our

22:15

moods are at the mercy of

22:17

our, the nutrients in the

22:19

body, and the nutrients in the

22:21

body can be supplied by

22:23

supplements. So can we fix our

22:26

moods by right supplementation?

22:28

I believe so. I believe so. I think

22:30

there's certainly a mental component to

22:32

it, but they're both going to play

22:35

into each other. It's

22:37

just like I believe the supplements could be

22:39

powerful for working out, but you have to

22:41

show up and work out. So I think

22:43

it's the same here. I think you need

22:45

to do the inner work. You need to

22:47

do the meditation. You need to do the

22:50

learning, the grounding, the breath work, et cetera. But

22:52

also taking these powerful

22:55

nutrients is is

22:57

to be transformative well. So it's

22:59

going to truly be synergistic in

23:01

achieving higher states. And that's why

23:04

we called these supplements that we've

23:06

worked on with Mindvalley, Mindvalley States,

23:08

because you too elevate your state.

23:10

can formulate your state. I'm

23:12

known as the world's greatest

23:14

formulator, but I've learned that like

23:16

I have a hero's journey

23:18

that you just heard about,

23:21

but now I'm the mentor. I'm

23:23

the guide. I'm the Mr. Miyagi

23:25

the Karate Kid, I'm the Obi Wan the

23:27

Luke Skywalker. I am the guide

23:29

that they can have their

23:31

hero's journey. I want them to

23:33

formulate their state. I want

23:36

them to no longer give away

23:38

their sovereignty to

23:40

big pharma, to big medicine. And

23:43

they can choose the state

23:45

they want to be in

23:47

by taking these precision

23:51

pills. And

23:53

then you even combine

23:56

states for an even

23:58

higher experience. And of course,

24:00

there's an idea called

24:02

psychosomatic anchors in neurolinguistic

24:05

programming, something that that Jim Quick,

24:07

Tony Robbins, Joe Dispenza

24:09

quite heavily. It's like you

24:11

use your language in particular,

24:13

but also how you

24:15

anchor things in your body

24:18

to call back certain moods. So

24:21

we're going to not just

24:23

use these powerful supplements that

24:25

are formulated extremely well, no

24:27

proprietary blends. They're

24:30

all the right dose, the right form, the

24:32

right timing. Everything is perfect for

24:34

these. Their branded

24:36

ingredients all have multiple studies

24:39

on each ingredient. But you

24:41

can stack them with the music,

24:43

with the mantras, with the breath

24:45

work, with the essential oils, that'll

24:47

all be part of this experience. These

24:50

will actually have NFC chips in them

24:52

that you put your phone down on and it'll

24:55

pull up all of these things

24:57

so that you can anchor these

24:59

around that experience. So now, like

25:01

I said, like you have gratitude, how

25:03

you get into parasympathetic, how

25:05

you can breathe in

25:08

that essential oil and maybe

25:11

feel more intimate or erotic, or

25:13

maybe feel more blissful and euphoric, or

25:15

maybe feel more calm and relaxed. All

25:19

of those things will

25:21

be achieved through this collective

25:23

research in Mindvalley States. So

25:25

Mindvalley States a

25:28

multi -dimensional biochemistry which

25:32

supplementation with mental states

25:34

by putting the body

25:36

in the receiving state and

25:38

then adding the nutrients

25:40

in the supplements to the

25:43

body to achieve the

25:45

optimal state that we are

25:47

seeking. Exactly. and it all

25:49

starts with receiving and

25:51

when you surrender,

25:53

you actually can be

25:55

sovereign. I know that seems

25:57

counterintuitive to some, but but starts that's... Rendering

26:00

getting into your parasympathetic getting rest

26:02

and digest, can receive all of

26:04

these things to your body

26:06

So if we want to if

26:08

I want to sleep if

26:10

I want to achieve that restful

26:12

state, uh, can mind Valley

26:15

States me? Yeah. and

26:17

that's this a dream

26:19

right here. And so know, again,

26:22

When you put your phone down on this

26:25

you'll, you'll receive uh, mantras

26:28

around What

26:30

it is to relax what it

26:32

is to lucidly dream all of

26:34

these ingredients here will help you

26:36

get into that restful state of

26:38

sleep and And again, promote,

26:40

isn't just called dream uh, metaphorically.

26:43

is literally about having lucid

26:45

dreams. I have ingredients in here

26:47

that will enhance lucid dreaming Because

26:50

I think that's part of a

26:52

deeper more spiritual experience What if

26:54

I want to focus more? We

26:57

that too. and it has uh, it

26:59

has uh, ingredient the parazanthine infinity in

27:01

here And that's that

27:03

ingredient that is the metabolite

27:05

of caffeine it removes

27:08

caffeine Which again about 60% %

27:10

of us don't metabolize well.

27:12

We do get brain fog

27:14

anxiety sleep disruption and

27:16

this not only has

27:19

Greater less mental

27:21

errors like different. We

27:23

did a study uh, a K

27:25

race the athletes at the

27:28

end of the race did a multitasking

27:30

test caffeine, increased

27:32

mental errors, 10%. % The

27:35

decrease with parazanthine was

27:37

around 30 % So

27:40

this is a massive difference between the

27:42

two they are not at all the

27:44

same Uh, Parazanthine is

27:46

a completely different ingredient. We're showing

27:48

that with preclinical studies it's

27:51

enhancing neuroplasticity making the

27:53

brain younger and function better.

27:55

You do one -on -one

27:57

sessions with clients to customize.

27:59

what supplements they need. You

28:02

have this mantra where you say

28:04

you can be your own formulator

28:06

formulate the supplements that are

28:08

necessary for your body. When

28:11

people approach you Can

28:13

you tell what supplements they need based

28:15

on their mental state? Yes,

28:18

you definitely want, I've space in

28:20

the psychedelic space for sure,

28:23

and I think you can read energies.

28:25

I think that's something that you're

28:27

aware of and definitely the field

28:29

around someone, again, the nervous system. I

28:31

can just tell where the nervous system is

28:33

at, and that's where

28:35

you wanna start. So again,

28:38

if they are very dysregulated, they are in

28:40

sympathetic nervous system and a lot of

28:42

people that would come to me. are

28:45

coming for the reason like was at

28:47

one point where I was all

28:49

about accomplishment. How do I accomplish more?

28:51

That's how I got into biohacking. wrote

28:53

a book about biohacking called The Energy

28:55

Formula. we're

28:58

interested in somehow accomplishing

29:00

more. not

29:02

knowing that we actually need to do

29:04

less. We need to strip. things

29:07

back. We need to surrender more. And

29:12

that's something that I see quite often

29:14

with clients that I work with, is

29:16

that they have these dysregulated nervous systems

29:18

and that's what I would first address. One

29:21

thing that affected me

29:23

tremendously recently watching the

29:26

presidential between the two candidates

29:28

of the United States of

29:30

America. When watching that

29:32

debate, were you

29:34

observing lack of supplementations

29:36

in both candidates? It

29:41

very well be Neither of them appear to

29:43

be very healthy. I

29:45

think it's, I sad

29:48

for President Joe Joe

29:50

Biden. It's

29:55

sad. I feel like feel you know,

29:57

I worked for 10 years in nursing

29:59

homes as chief. clinical dietitian and And

30:02

it feels like elder abuse. Like

30:04

was very sad

30:06

watching it. Not

30:08

just sad for the United States, but just

30:10

sad for him as a human. That

30:13

he seemed very confused. He wasn't able to

30:15

get off the stage. Jill,

30:17

his wife, had to help him down. It

30:26

makes me, it really makes me sad

30:28

inside for the human. knowing

30:31

that he's being paraded around and

30:33

there's some agenda there and I

30:35

don't know the entire situation, we'll

30:37

never know, we're not in those

30:39

circles. And

30:42

as far as President Trump, I

30:47

had a journey around that where

30:49

around that where... I

30:52

so much gratitude and

30:55

love for my experiences, for

30:57

the people around me that loved me, even

30:59

for my ex -wife, like I

31:01

had so many beautiful thoughts

31:03

that were coming through business partners that

31:05

hurt me. I

31:07

saw all the beautiful things in

31:10

these people and one of my

31:12

epiphanies in that space was thinking

31:14

of President

31:16

Trump. being like

31:18

greatest American story

31:20

ever about becoming

31:23

a billionaire,

31:25

becoming a TV superstar,

31:28

marrying a model, writing

31:32

-selling books, becoming the president

31:34

of the United States. No

31:38

one has that resume. And

31:41

yet he's still hurting.

31:43

He's still sad. He's

31:46

still a hurt boy projecting

31:48

hurt. And

31:53

that me pain. I

31:55

think that comes from the

31:57

fact that we all do

32:00

a lot of things to achieve

32:02

external validation and to fill

32:04

up our resumes, but there is

32:06

no amount of external validation

32:08

on the outside that can fill

32:10

our cup on the inside

32:12

if we are not giving ourselves

32:14

internal validation, Exactly. leads

32:17

to narcissism, which leads to

32:19

self -hatred, and then we project

32:21

that onto others and cause pain

32:23

for others and ourselves. Isn't

32:26

there a supplement for narcissism?

32:32

I I know about that. I

32:34

do think, I think it's difficult.

32:36

There's people that think that

32:38

there's no cure for narcissism, but

32:40

I do know that there is

32:42

essentially a scale and we all

32:44

have elements of narcissism. I

32:46

think there's serving the ego to

32:48

your point. We all do

32:50

things that are in service of

32:52

ourselves. I think the

32:54

degree and and saying this can

32:56

be triggering, but please research it.

32:58

There's a scale where certain points

33:01

in our lives, it might

33:03

be helpful to just do you

33:05

be just be

33:07

self -focused. I also

33:09

know a lot of my

33:11

depression in the past was when

33:13

I wasn't serving. and

33:16

I could get out of my own

33:18

way, that's very powerful. Last year when

33:21

I did a keynote on psychedelics and

33:23

depression here at Mindvalley U, I

33:26

I got a standing ovation and

33:28

it was beautiful and I was

33:30

like tears. I was literally

33:32

crying. A

33:34

girl came up to me afterwards

33:36

that was 17 and she said

33:38

that she was here with her

33:40

mother and this was the only

33:42

talk she came to see across

33:45

the three weeks. This one.

33:48

she said that she

33:50

was considering killing herself

33:52

and hearing my talk

33:54

was the difference. I

33:57

think think was even autistic. I think to

33:59

some degree and she was you know

34:01

going back and forth like this and

34:03

had trouble looking me in the eye

34:05

But I gave her a hug and

34:07

told her how powerful that was to

34:09

me because literally the mantra I said

34:11

before I walked out on stage is if

34:13

I can make a difference in one

34:15

person's life All of this is worth

34:17

it. And it's not about me. I

34:20

need to get out of my own way like even

34:22

when I get anxious I still get

34:24

anxious when I go up on stage. I'm

34:26

like Don't make it

34:28

about you make it about them and if

34:30

you can have an impact on one

34:32

person It can be very

34:34

powerful and I think that

34:37

We say that narcissism can't

34:39

be healed but I I

34:41

do believe that In

34:44

the right environments Maybe

34:46

through psychedelics that there could

34:48

be a a great

34:50

awakening and And that's why

34:52

I'm excited about this kind of age

34:54

of Aquarius that we're heading into

34:56

an age of enlightenment I know the

34:59

word woke been kind of broken and beaten

35:01

down and and Kind

35:03

of used for agendas and narratives and all

35:05

that kind of stuff, but There is

35:07

a waking up that's happening There an

35:10

unplugging from the matrix, I do believe

35:12

everyone has the capacity to to

35:14

be healed I Don't

35:16

don't I don't ever like the

35:18

idea that someone is incapable

35:21

of being healed or broken Narcissism

35:23

is caused by lack of empathy

35:25

Yeah and and lack

35:28

of empathy is something

35:30

that your neurons Communicate

35:33

with the rest of your nervous system

35:35

you can Understand intellectually

35:37

and then feel the empathy

35:39

for the other Is

35:42

there a nutrient that can

35:44

help? with Empathy

35:47

Well, I do the formula that we

35:49

have for bliss. I I

35:51

really could help with

35:54

that There's an ingredient

35:56

from bakopa called synapse. That's

35:58

the branded form of Bacopa and

36:01

increases synaptic activity. So

36:03

it's going to increase

36:05

thought formation. Then

36:07

we have ingredients in there

36:09

that are increasing serotonin

36:11

levels. There's a natural SSRI

36:13

called Kana. The branded form

36:15

is Zembran. And there's

36:18

ingredients in there like

36:20

saffron that serotonin

36:22

production as well. And

36:24

there's a small amount

36:27

of that parazanthine that was talking

36:29

about that increases dopamine

36:31

and serotonin and acetylcholine increases When

36:35

you look at depression, the

36:38

brain is low across

36:40

the board, not just

36:42

serotonin and all neurotransmitters.

36:44

It's also low in

36:46

BDNF, brain-derived neurotrophic factor. This protein

36:48

is associated with neuroplasticity,

36:50

the ability to take

36:52

on new tasks, to

36:54

learn renew neurons, brain

36:57

cells. And

36:59

so if you know

37:01

that depression, and

37:04

maybe potentially narcissism, is

37:06

about lower neurotransmitters and lower neuroplasticity,

37:08

and it's a way to

37:10

protect the brain to

37:12

feel less, to experience less,

37:14

to turn it all

37:16

down, then

37:18

I'm helping to turn it

37:20

back up with this formula.

37:24

That you can experience more,

37:26

that you can have more neuroplasticity,

37:28

that you can have greater

37:31

neurotransmitters, that you can feel

37:33

more feelings and

37:35

therefore on a deeper level. All

37:38

of these neurotransmitters that are associated

37:40

with that formula are about connecting with

37:42

another person. So it

37:44

is possible, but again, I I

37:46

would attach other behaviors to

37:49

that, other habits to that,

37:51

other psychosomatic anchors to that,

37:54

to really augment the power of the

37:56

formula, And that could be some of

37:58

the other experiences with mine. Valley. So

38:02

have less

38:05

neuroplasticity because

38:09

brain is protecting

38:11

them from feeling. Yeah

38:13

and neurotransmitters are turned down. as as

38:15

well so like... so they don't

38:17

feel as much. Why are

38:19

narcissists scared of feeling? I I

38:24

mean, when when when you're highly

38:26

neuroplastic when your neurotransmitters are

38:28

turned up, you

38:30

are going to feel an experience more, which

38:32

means that the chance for trauma is

38:34

going to be much higher. and

38:37

that trauma could be more impactful. if

38:40

everything's turned up. up. Um,

38:43

this is why like you know,

38:45

like MDMA could Could

38:48

be a concern if

38:50

you're at a rave and something

38:52

bad happens because you're you're seeing

38:54

brighter lights You're hearing more music

38:56

and that sounds fun that you're

38:58

experiencing more but

39:02

the same time, if

39:04

something tragic happens or

39:06

traumatic happens. then

39:09

you're going to experience that on a deeper

39:11

level, much like a child would. So

39:15

a solution to that is to turn

39:17

all those things down and or or

39:19

to dissociate. to like

39:22

your body essentially And

39:24

that's what you find with depression and

39:26

that's what you would find with

39:28

narcissism is dissociation. lower

39:32

neurotransmitters. less

39:34

neuroplasticity. you.

39:37

Does that mean that most

39:40

narcissists were terribly traumatized

39:42

before? I Oh, I

39:44

would naturally assume so I mean I

39:46

I I know there could be

39:48

like kind of genetic component to being

39:51

being predisposed to like a

39:53

certain brain chemistry that

39:56

argument sure has been made but am

39:59

sure that most were

40:01

coming from traumatic backgrounds. Just

40:03

even thinking of the example of

40:05

President Trump, I know that

40:07

his father was very abusive to

40:09

him. Was a very tough

40:12

man, if you research that, yeah.

40:14

So that are

40:16

born with genetic predispositions

40:19

of narcissism are

40:21

carrying a tremendous amount

40:23

of generational trauma? A

40:26

hundred percent. that's not even

40:28

like that's woo. which

40:30

you know, believe in in the woo

40:32

that I've done more work in,

40:35

in but even if

40:37

you look at the

40:39

science around this in our genes,

40:41

there is shown to

40:43

be like anywhere from like

40:45

to 14 generations of data

40:47

that's stored in our genes.

40:50

For example, if you had

40:53

you great great grandmother

40:55

in a river, it's

40:58

going to be stored in your genes to

41:00

know that you should have fear of

41:03

water because it's going to lead to survival

41:05

of the species. When

41:07

a when a baby is born, a

41:09

a because kangaroo is born, it's

41:12

blind and it knows how to travel from

41:14

the mother's vagina to the pouch. When

41:17

bees come into the world and ants come

41:19

into the world, the second they come in they

41:21

already know what to do. There's

41:23

that hive mind. It's

41:25

stored in the DNA. It's not just

41:28

about like things you learn as you go

41:30

along. Wow. that was

41:32

very interesting. And it

41:34

just gave me an aha

41:36

moment because I always

41:39

wonder why certain nationalities or

41:41

culture or cultures more empathetic, warmer,

41:43

emotionally expressive. And that what

41:45

I'm understanding now is nutrients

41:49

a very important

41:51

factor on our moods.

41:53

For example, I

41:55

always wonder why Middle are

41:58

more empathetic. empathetic warmer.

42:00

And when you said

42:03

that one ingredient

42:05

and nutrient that affects our

42:08

neurons to make us

42:10

more empathetic is saffron, Middle

42:13

are known for consuming a lot

42:15

of saffron. 100%. So

42:17

that can help us

42:19

understand why certain countries or

42:22

certain cultures have differences

42:24

in their social skills or their

42:26

skills and how by

42:28

unifying the nutrients

42:30

that we all use

42:32

as human human

42:35

beings, we can bridge

42:37

the gap between

42:39

cultures and nationalities and

42:42

the heritages. It's funny

42:44

that you bring up vitamin, I

42:46

was just going to go to

42:48

vitamin D because you were saying

42:50

warmer personalities but warmer climates that

42:52

are exposed to more sunshine, they're going

42:54

to get higher levels of vitamin D

42:57

Whereas some of these northern climates like

42:59

maybe Estonia, Finland, et

43:01

cetera, they're not getting as much

43:03

sunlight, they're not

43:05

going to have as much of

43:07

D and there is a

43:09

crisis of vitamin D in

43:11

literally pandemic levels where about

43:13

80 % of the population

43:15

globally is not getting enough

43:17

vitamin D and can

43:20

absolutely lead to mood

43:22

disorders and depression. So

43:27

with vitamin D is important. vitamin

43:29

D3 getting enough sunshine or

43:31

both can be very important.

43:33

But if you're in gray

43:35

areas, dark areas, cold areas

43:37

where you're not getting enough

43:39

sunshine or you're always wearing

43:42

long sleeve clothing and your body's

43:44

covered up and you're rarely

43:46

getting enough exposure to your

43:48

body of light, you

43:50

will probably be deficient

43:52

in vitamin D. So

43:55

I to wrap this up

43:57

by saying my understanding

43:59

of this profound conversation. we

44:01

together is that supplementation can

44:04

in fact help bring

44:06

humans closer to one another.

44:08

Right Right supplementation bridge the

44:10

gap between called different cultures

44:13

and different nationalities. Because

44:15

by all of us humans

44:17

being on the same

44:19

nutrients and receiving the same

44:21

nutrients, we can on

44:25

closer moods than we are right

44:27

now. And the closer we are

44:29

to one another in terms of

44:31

the level of happiness, bliss

44:33

and emotions,

44:36

the more comfortable we can be

44:38

with one another to connect and

44:40

to become one. So

44:42

So conclude

44:44

that right supplementations help

44:47

with oneness for

44:49

humanity. All of these

44:51

are about connecting on a

44:53

deeper level. Dream is about

44:55

connecting with yourself and God, Gasm

44:58

is like connecting with another

45:00

partner, intimately. Bliss achieving

45:02

that higher state of euphoria and

45:05

and focus. These are about

45:07

connecting about being your

45:09

heightened elevated self, elevating your

45:12

state, formulating your state. And

45:14

I believe that supplementation is

45:17

no longer supplemental, but foundational. It's

45:19

that important because we're not

45:21

getting enough of these nutrients in

45:23

our soil. We're not getting

45:25

enough of these nutrients from our

45:28

foods. We're getting GMOs,

45:30

we're getting micro

45:32

plastics, we're getting EMFs, we're

45:34

getting exposed to glyphosate, all

45:36

of these things that

45:38

we're getting exposed to, there's

45:40

thousands of chemicals that

45:42

are introduced at least in

45:44

the US year that are

45:46

not studied, thousands of

45:48

new chemicals that are put

45:51

into the glues and dyes

45:53

paints and through our environment. And

45:55

so we're at a point now where

45:58

believe it's impossible. impossible,

46:00

impossible to eat all

46:02

the nutrients that

46:05

you need cannot be

46:07

done. And

46:09

if we want to

46:11

not only move away

46:13

from deficiency, but think

46:15

about optimization and about achieving

46:17

these elevated states, which

46:19

so many don't want

46:21

us to achieve, then

46:24

you have

46:27

to supplement. And

46:29

that's why I believe these things

46:32

are now foundational and not supplemental. Thank

46:35

you so much, Sean. This

46:37

was a very profound conversation. Guys,

46:40

Guys, a thank you so much for listening

46:42

to this episode. Mindrally

46:44

States Precision Stacks here to help

46:46

put your body in

46:48

the receiving state while providing

46:50

the right supplements for

46:52

the mood you are in.

46:54

So you're no longer

46:56

at the mercy of your

46:58

moods. and Mindrally States you

47:00

to have control over what

47:03

mood you would like to

47:05

be in. So I'm very,

47:07

very happy that science has

47:09

made us reach to a

47:11

point where we can feel

47:13

empowered over our own moods and

47:15

can make an active decision

47:17

of what exact mood we

47:19

want to be in at

47:22

every moment of our lives.

47:24

Thank you so much for

47:26

this wonderful conversation. And what

47:28

a beautiful moment. Thank you. Thank

47:30

you so much. Thank

47:42

you. Thank

47:57

what much moment. Precision you

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help listening