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Every little thing

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you think that

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you need every

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little thing you

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think that you need

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every little thing you

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think that you need

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every little thing you

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Every little thing that's

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Oh, I bet that

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2:38

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2:41

name is I'm from Washington

2:43

name is Lisa. I'm moved into

2:45

my parent's house I before

2:47

I started going to a

2:49

right program. going to a

2:52

the age of at the

2:54

age before I moved in I

2:56

was very organized and I didn't

2:58

have clutter clutter. After

3:00

I started the program it

3:02

had had a really heavy hole in

3:04

my toll on my mental health.

3:06

I wasn't sleeping wasn't sleeping

3:08

much and I losing organization

3:11

and I got cluttered. And And

3:13

then after school, I got

3:15

depressed and shared collecting a lot of

3:17

things and I thought maybe hobbies

3:19

help. help. I I collected a lot

3:21

of lot of hobby and now I'm at

3:23

the point where at the point where

3:26

I all is overwhelming is to

3:28

the point that I the point that

3:30

I cannot box it to give

3:32

it away, because if I plan

3:34

on donating it, it it it just

3:36

sits in the corner for

3:39

forever. And so I And so I

3:41

finally got set up with

3:43

it it and I thought donating thing is

3:45

not for me me.

3:47

much much planning and and too

3:49

overwhelmed to be there right now,

3:52

so I decided decided I'm going to schedule a

3:54

jump removal to me to

3:56

to come and take everything away

3:58

and said they would box all

4:00

and I have a lot of have a

4:02

lot of guilt and I haven't listened

4:04

I haven't listened to all these and

4:06

I was wondering if And I was

4:09

wondering if a lot of people going to

4:11

I'm going to do this junk

4:13

removal company. like big stuff and just getting rid

4:15

of just getting rid of everything

4:17

and not looking at anything

4:19

before it goes and if there's a

4:21

lot of regret in doing

4:23

that because because not quite sure. sure

4:26

if they're to take. to take. away

4:28

things that I'm going to regret

4:30

from taking them but away, but not

4:32

take what I need taking what

4:34

I need that's else, I'm my going to look

4:36

at it, I'm just going to have them take

4:38

it. to look at it. I'm I

4:40

thought, to this too much? it. And

4:43

that so I this a good idea or

4:45

a bad idea? Thank you so much. bad

4:47

idea? Thank you so Lisa, I

4:49

hear the overwhelm. I I hear the

4:51

anxiety in your voice voice. I

4:53

identify with it because that's exactly

4:55

where I was when I started

4:57

simplifying my life. In fact, it

4:59

was dealing with my mom's things.

5:01

I was so overwhelmed by this

5:03

house full of clutter. had this

5:05

house of clutter I it wasn't even

5:07

my clutter, but of course I

5:09

couldn't let go of my mom's

5:11

stuff. It was so precious and

5:13

everything was precious, It was so precious

5:15

precious, then nothing is precious. precious. And

5:17

so I do I address that

5:19

question head on here in a

5:21

moment. on a junk removal service the

5:23

best way to deal with a

5:26

house full of clutter? But first,

5:28

of I'd love to talk to

5:30

you about that to talk clutter, that

5:32

sense of overwhelm or anxiety that

5:34

Lisa has, and it's keeping her

5:36

frozen. She doesn't know what to

5:38

do. to I can't donate it. I

5:40

can't sell it because every time

5:42

I try to I try to into

5:44

it. it's just so overwhelming that I give

5:46

up and I just sort of

5:49

hold on to everything. on to everything. emotional

5:51

clutter in many ways is very analogous

5:53

to physical clutter. to It may start

5:55

off as something small, which is

5:57

relatively simple to get rid of. to

5:59

get rid of. If you sleep on it,

6:01

if you wait too long and procrastinate,

6:03

it begins to accumulate and you've got

6:05

a whole bunch of stuff that needs

6:07

to be clean, decluttered, organized, and so

6:09

on, and then you walk into that

6:12

house and you don't even know where

6:14

to start because you're just so overwhelmed.

6:16

That's what emotional clutter is like. It's

6:18

a collection of many different things when

6:20

separated by units, when isolated, can appear

6:22

to be very simple, but when they

6:24

all come together, it just creates this

6:26

overwhelming sea of ambiguity, and you don't

6:28

even know when and where to start.

6:31

I think one important thing to keep

6:33

in mind in moments like this. is

6:35

to just recognize that there's no right

6:37

or wrong starting place. And so you're

6:39

free at that point to choose the

6:41

easiest place to start, the easiest place

6:43

to focus on. Sometimes, and I heard

6:45

a little bit of guilt in this

6:47

question too, sometimes we psych ourselves out

6:49

with guilt by saying, well, it might

6:52

be easy for me to start here,

6:54

but if I were the right kind

6:56

of person, I would pick a superior

6:58

starting point. And since I can't... figure

7:00

out what that is, well, I just

7:02

have to be stuck because it's better

7:04

to be righteously stuck than to be

7:06

sinfully, you know, engaging the wrong starting

7:08

point. Right. And so what we do

7:11

is we stay frozen there because if

7:13

I were a better person, then I'd

7:15

be able to let go of these

7:17

things that are so difficult to let

7:19

go of. But the truth is, there

7:21

are some things in your home that

7:23

are really easy to let go of

7:25

because you've already identified them as clutter.

7:27

They are already in the way. I

7:30

found for me, it wasn't just identifying

7:32

the what needs to go, and it

7:34

wasn't even identifying the how-to. I will

7:36

talk to you about the how-to side

7:38

of things and these junk services in

7:40

a moment, because I have some nuanced

7:42

thoughts on those, but for me it

7:44

was understanding the why. What is your

7:46

why? And what is the freedom that

7:49

is underneath the clutter? Because there is

7:51

a type of freedom that is hidden

7:53

underneath all of those things. What is

7:55

your freedom? like? Is it

7:57

financial freedom? Is

7:59

it the freedom of

8:01

all my houses of

8:03

all my house is less cluttered, less disordered? Is

8:05

it the it the freedom of, you oh,

8:07

you know what, I'd rather have

8:10

more time to spend on actual hobbies

8:12

that I enjoy doing because I

8:14

heard heard she talked about all the things

8:16

she collected for hobbies. You don't

8:18

collect things for a hobby, a although

8:20

collecting can be a hobby, but if

8:22

you have a hobby, the reason

8:24

that you acquire items is because they're

8:26

useful. They aid you in the

8:29

progress of working on that hobby. If

8:31

it's knitting, then you don't go

8:33

out and a bunch of of bricks for why?

8:35

Because they would simply get in

8:37

the way. way. But there are materials,

8:39

you need yarn, You you need the

8:41

needles or whatever materials you need that

8:44

allow you to do the thing. But

8:46

if you get more of that,

8:48

if you get a crate of yarn

8:50

or a or a of yarn, then

8:52

even the things that could serve the

8:54

hobby of knitting there would end up

8:56

becoming clutter because they would get

8:58

in the way. in what else is

9:01

hidden underneath all of that clutter? all of

9:03

that clutter what else do you see

9:05

is hidden? do you see is hidden beneath the

9:07

stuff? Possibility? And by by

9:09

possibility, I I mean possibilities which which

9:11

be imagined until we declutter. Oftentimes

9:14

we think of vision as that which

9:16

provides the energy for discipline. It's

9:18

my vision for the life that I

9:20

want want motivates me to make the hard

9:22

choices and sacrifices I need to

9:25

make. But sometimes it's the other way

9:27

around. Our discipline creates the space

9:29

for vision. It's my willingness to do

9:31

hard things without knowing ahead of

9:33

time of time it's going to benefit me.

9:36

me. that opens the doors for things that

9:38

I could not previously imagine. My My wife

9:40

and I just experienced this the other

9:42

day where we're doing some decluttering doing

9:44

we come upon this cabinet. and we come up

9:46

on And there are some things in there we

9:48

clearly don't need. we And I say, need.

9:50

about we get rid of this stuff? rid of she says,

9:52

what are we gonna put there? says, what are we go,

9:54

have no idea. I go, I have says, why

9:56

don't we just leave it don't we I

9:58

go, then? And I go, well, I I think we

10:00

should start with the fact that we don't need

10:02

it. need it, we don't really want it. want

10:05

it. And if we choose comfort, then it's just

10:07

gonna be there taking up space. to But what if

10:09

we just got rid of it on faith because we

10:11

don't need it or want it? it And we allow

10:13

that space to be without knowing what we're gonna

10:15

do with it. space to be Who knows, it might come

10:17

in handy at some point in the future. it? And And

10:19

she goes, all right, let's do that. And so we

10:21

take that out of the cabinet and put it

10:23

on the table where we're putting the things we're gonna

10:25

get rid of we take that minutes later. put it.

10:28

We're working on on another cabinet. and

10:30

she And she says, I just can't find

10:32

the right place for this. I just hate where

10:34

this is, but I don't know where else

10:36

to put it. else to I said, it. about the

10:39

cabinet we just cleared out? She goes, just cleared out.

10:41

She goes, yeah, that's and we put

10:43

it there put like, and we got a

10:45

nice little nice But that's a metaphor for

10:47

how life works too. how If there's something

10:49

in your life that's bothering you, you know

10:51

you don't need it, you know that

10:53

you could live without it or at least

10:55

try to live without it, even if

10:57

you don't have a concept of how it's

10:59

gonna improve your life life what's gonna replace

11:01

it, just get rid of it and

11:04

let it go go, that can create the

11:06

room for some creative thinking that might take

11:08

your life in a positive direction. direction. we

11:10

do interviews, sometimes people ask us, us, your...

11:12

your definition of minimalism. And if you

11:14

saw our last Netflix film, film... the

11:16

thing that we said is minimalism

11:18

is the thing that gets us past

11:21

the things. us that's wrong, Well, that's wrong. Sorry.

11:23

So we can make can make room for

11:25

life's most important things. What you're talking

11:27

about there is making room. So

11:29

if I were to give an updated

11:31

definition for minimalism, at least for

11:33

me, it's minimalism is the amplification of

11:36

spaciousness. of And that's what you talked

11:38

about. It wasn't about What are we

11:40

creating? What are we gonna put here? here?

11:42

We not know what we're putting here, or

11:44

you might not have to put anything to

11:46

put at all I think about a coffee

11:49

cup I have this coffee cup here

11:51

in front of me, right front of me, right? know

11:53

It's just as important as the the

11:55

ceramic that this mug is made of mug

11:57

the made of? It's the space inside.

11:59

inside. the cup. The space is just as

12:01

important. You might say, well, that's crazy. Well,

12:04

no, how can that be crazy? Because imagine

12:06

if I filled up the whole cup with

12:08

ceramic, then I couldn't use it at all.

12:10

It would be useless. The thing that makes

12:12

this coffee cup that's in front of me

12:15

useful is the ceramic, but it is also

12:17

the space inside the ceramic. Otherwise, I couldn't

12:19

fill it with coffee. You know, I'm thinking

12:21

about Lisa's. actual question here about the the

12:23

junk removal service, right? And sometimes on the

12:26

show. We'll talk about the best ways to

12:28

declutter your home. Maybe it's the 30-day minimalism

12:30

game. You can start with the easy stuff,

12:32

as TK said. In the first day of

12:34

the 30-day minimalism game, which, by the way,

12:37

we have a calendar, you can download for

12:39

free over on our website, at the minimalist.com,

12:41

just click the resources page, you can download

12:43

and print out the 30-day minimalism game calendar.

12:45

It just means start with one thing on

12:48

the first day on the first day. But

12:50

as you build up your muscles, guess what?

12:52

You're able to lift more weight. And the

12:54

weight of your things, you're able to lift

12:57

the heavier things, the things that weigh you

12:59

down more as you progress. But the easiest

13:01

thing for you to do in a case

13:03

like this, where you are just paralyzed by

13:05

decision fatigue, I don't know what to let

13:08

go of, I feel like I can't let

13:10

go. It may be that hiring some sort

13:12

of junk removal service. They have national brands

13:14

like the 1,800, got junk, but I tend

13:16

to recommend, I don't have a problem with

13:19

a junk removal service like that, but usually

13:21

there are local services where you are, and

13:23

this is why I can't put a link

13:25

to a specific one in the show notes,

13:27

but if you simply Google your city name,

13:30

so let's say you're in, where was Lisa

13:32

at, do you remember? I don't remember off

13:34

the top of my head, but let's say

13:36

she's in Cleveland, you just, you say, you

13:38

say junk removal. in your

13:41

search bar bar, all of

13:43

a sudden sudden, you'll

13:45

start getting, once you

13:47

get past all of

13:49

the get ads that are

13:52

there, you will start

13:54

to see the local

13:56

junk removal services. And

13:58

even beyond that, you'll

14:00

often see people in

14:03

your neighborhood, they have

14:05

just an old truck

14:07

that says, or old truck, and that

14:09

they drive they're driving around

14:11

says, your junk your junk

14:14

or junk or Carlos's junk

14:16

junk removal. can And you

14:18

can just give them

14:20

a call come they

14:22

will come and remove

14:25

anything that you want

14:27

removed. And in some

14:29

instances, that are you have things that are

14:31

worth paying for they may even pay you

14:33

for that I wouldn't I wouldn't go in

14:35

with that expectation If you you want to earn

14:37

money from those things You'll have to find

14:39

a way to sell them to you want to

14:41

get them out of your house get them out of

14:44

your want to go donate them and you

14:46

can even call a donation place quite often

14:48

They'll come and pick up things from your

14:50

home often. if you just want one fell swoop

14:52

because you know But if you can't deal with

14:54

these things But I need someone else to

14:56

do it I can't deal with junk removal service is

14:58

a great place to start do it, then yeah, a junk

15:00

you're dealing with other people's great you might

15:02

have a parent or a grandparent who

15:04

passes away dealing they have this house things.

15:06

and is full of clutter as well. well.

15:08

It's a lot of junk and maybe

15:10

it wasn't even junk to them but

15:12

now it is junk to you. to

15:15

you. You can also do an estate sale

15:17

for something like that where you don't have

15:19

to deal with the things, you can go

15:21

in and grab the few things that you

15:23

want and you can even put a limit

15:25

on that. You know what, I'm gonna go

15:27

in here and I'm going to take home

15:29

20 or fewer things and that is it.

15:31

That is my boundary, that is my limit,

15:33

everything beyond that. And it can be 50

15:36

things, 100 things, you get to identify what

15:38

that boundary is. But then an estate sale

15:40

will actually sell the things things take a large

15:42

chunk of that of that you don't have to

15:44

deal with it with him what happens is

15:46

you get the peace of mind get allowing

15:48

them to let go of it for

15:50

you. go of it right. you. That's

15:53

right. And be afraid to

15:55

donate or give things away

15:57

without making money. money. Sometimes

15:59

people... will guilt -trip others

16:01

over taking something that's

16:03

really valuable. someone else letting someone else

16:05

have it for free. Well, that's irresponsible paid a lot

16:07

you paid a lot of money for that

16:09

and you can make money for that. Well,

16:11

look, if you really, really want that, you

16:13

you can commit to it, but it is

16:15

a commitment. The difference between you and a

16:18

store is that that a store has a longer

16:20

time preference. They exist for selling

16:22

retail goods to they can afford to have

16:24

an item on the shelf without someone

16:26

buying it today going they're gonna be

16:28

there next week. And if no one

16:30

comes in and buys it next week,

16:32

that's okay. They're gonna be there the

16:34

week afterwards. week and it's not going to

16:36

not their identity as a store. a store.

16:38

You on the other hand, with

16:40

each day and each week, you're hanging

16:42

on to something mind is your mind

16:44

is being driven crazy for having to

16:46

look at every day. You're compromising

16:48

who you are. You're compromising the healthiest

16:51

version of yourself. you've got got a

16:53

lower time preference than the store. You

16:55

have different needs than the store.

16:57

And sometimes it's worth sacrificing the opportunity

16:59

to make money to make spending money

17:01

in order to make it happen it

17:03

you're thinking about thinking terms that

17:05

are other than financial. financial. Yeah,

17:07

and and sometimes those costs are

17:10

immeasurable. What's the, much

17:12

is your anxiety worth? worth? At I hear

17:14

it in your voice. How much

17:16

is that overwhelm worth to you? Because

17:18

if you could let that go

17:20

right now, wouldn't wouldn't you? I

17:22

think the answer to that is obvious, but

17:24

also getting back to your retail store

17:27

analogy. I used to manage I retail stores

17:29

and I can tell you something else, if

17:31

something doesn't sell for a long enough

17:33

period of time, guess what? We also got

17:35

rid of that enough we were able to

17:37

let go of that as a retail

17:39

store of having we of the emotions tied into

17:41

it. Even if it's a product, I

17:43

really wish this product was selling, of the it's

17:45

not. And therefore it. getting in the way.

17:47

If it gets in the way, I it's

17:49

wish So we are going to let it

17:51

go because why? We're making room. We're creating that spaciousness

17:53

for whatever we're going to put

17:56

on that on on that shelf

17:58

or on that counter that counter next Now,

18:00

this conversation is a pretty heavy one.

18:02

It's been kind of serious so far.

18:04

So I'd like to make it a

18:06

bit more playful before we move on

18:08

to the lightning round. When I think

18:10

about Lisa, she's so overwhelmed by this

18:12

stuff. It feels like it'd be impossible

18:14

to be playful in the moment. But

18:16

it seems to me, knowing TK Coleman,

18:18

one of the best ways to deal

18:21

with this clutter is to find a

18:23

way to make it joyous, to make

18:25

it more playful. That's right. And letting

18:27

go of guilt is so essential to

18:29

that. You see a lot with habit

18:31

formation. When people are unmotivated to do

18:33

things that they need to do, they

18:35

approach it from such a standpoint of

18:37

morality that even when they find a

18:39

way to motivate themselves, they don't allow

18:41

it to be part of the conversation

18:43

because it's, well, that's not sufficiently enlightened.

18:45

So maybe you just can't motivate yourself

18:48

to exercise. But you kind of start

18:50

to realize that, well, if I bought

18:52

some nice workout clothes that I felt

18:54

really good in and I got myself

18:56

a gym membership or I went walking

18:58

in a really nice neighborhood that I

19:00

enjoy in, then I feel motivated to

19:02

work out. But you know what? David

19:04

Goggins doesn't need that. A person that's

19:06

really serious about working out, they don't

19:08

need that. So I shouldn't need it

19:10

either. You know, I want to read

19:12

more and reading is so hard and

19:14

so serious and so responsible. I can't

19:17

motivate myself to do it. But you

19:19

know what? I actually do like comic

19:21

books or children's books. I do like

19:23

a lot of fiction. I do like

19:25

silly goofy novels that no one takes

19:27

seriously. But you know, if I were

19:29

sufficiently serious and really cared about learning,

19:31

I wouldn't need those things. And the

19:33

need to take it so seriously just

19:35

gets in the way of doing it

19:37

in a manner that's fun for you.

19:39

Yes, you are free to be frivolous

19:41

with it. In fact, that's almost necessary.

19:44

Malabama, you have read the most books

19:46

of your entire life this year. And

19:48

I think it's because you were able

19:50

to be more playful and it wasn't

19:52

as serious. I need to, like being

19:54

in school, you're forced to read the

19:56

books. And here's the ones I have

19:58

to read and here's my deadline as

20:00

opposed. to just enjoying the reading. That

20:02

That was something we were talking about

20:04

before we started the podcast this morning,

20:06

and it was such a neat observation

20:09

over the holiday weekend I sat down and

20:11

just felt compelled to write down all

20:13

the books that I've read. I've read. looking

20:15

back on it, on most of it

20:17

was fiction. Some of it was comics,

20:19

and I was able to to... to with

20:21

this past part of me that really

20:24

enjoyed reading because it was just fun.

20:26

I wasn't trying to read to learn, learn,

20:28

it was a a textbook or a piece, I

20:30

I wasn't trying to do anything productive, it

20:32

was was just enjoying the reading, and

20:34

I found when I was having

20:36

more fun with it, I I got

20:38

way more I than I could have

20:40

possibly imagined. That's absolutely right. so my

20:42

question here for Lisa is make would make this

20:45

more fun? I know that seems impossible to

20:47

you right now. now. I hear it in

20:49

your voice. You're so far away from fun. But

20:51

okay, here's what what my daughter might tell me.

20:53

She might say, might say, nothing I could do

20:55

to make it fun. And I would say, fun.

20:57

And I know, say, yeah, I know, But if there

20:59

was something you could do to

21:01

make it fun, to what would it be?

21:04

would it be? And she starts coming up

21:06

with one or two or three answers.

21:08

And then the thread begins to unravel

21:10

and she has all of the answers

21:12

to make that thing that is overwhelming

21:14

a bit more fun. Also, at least

21:16

I'd love to give you a copy

21:18

of our ebook. It's called called Clutter.

21:20

You can download it for free over it

21:23

for free.com up there on the up there

21:25

page. page. TK wrote this book

21:27

about letting go of the the... the

21:29

emotional clutter that is underneath that physical clutter.

21:31

If you want the e -book, you can download

21:33

it from the website or if you want

21:35

the audio book version, it's on the website

21:37

as well. We'll send you a copy of

21:39

that for free, Lisa. you a Before we get

21:41

back to our as well. We'll what time is

21:43

it? You know what time it is.

21:45

It's time for the we'll send we answer

21:47

the that for free, Lisa. of get back to our call,

21:49

Let's have some fun with this one.

21:51

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week? At what point does your

22:26

home feel cluttered? At what point does

22:28

your home feel Now before we Now, before we

22:30

get to our pithy answers, TK, how

22:33

let's hear how some of our listeners

22:35

answered this question. said, said, my home

22:37

feels cluttered when I'm packing for a

22:39

trip. Things are out of their usual

22:41

places and I I making choices and

22:43

moving the items I want and need

22:45

into other places. For a few days,

22:47

my apartment looks and feels visually overwhelming

22:49

until my bags are packed with my

22:52

essentials. Oh, that's interesting. Before a

22:54

trip, I tend to tend to minutes

22:56

packing the night before. before. And

22:58

that's all I need now as a minimalist

23:00

because I have a routine in place

23:02

and I have a checklist on my phone

23:04

as well. So I don't miss anything. So

23:07

I Oh, I need that charger. Oh, I I

23:09

need this travel bottle of shampoo or

23:11

whatever. And now all of a sudden or

23:13

have my list there of it takes me

23:15

about 15 minutes to pack up my bag

23:17

15 then I'm done. and then wondering though, like

23:19

though, like, Maybe you could make it

23:21

fun here, but it might just be

23:23

that you need to attenuate that

23:25

process if you want your home to

23:28

feel less overwhelming while you're packing for

23:30

a big trip. calls that calls that

23:32

structural tension. somewhere along the way along the

23:34

way in the middle of the creative

23:36

process, going to be a going to be a

23:38

certain amount of clutter that is a

23:40

necessary condition for creating. of It's sort of

23:42

like when you get ready to paint,

23:44

what do you need to do? to do?

23:46

Pull out the materials, right? Spread them

23:48

across the the spread them around the

23:50

table. You can't be too focused on

23:52

being neat at the early stages of

23:54

the creative process. But then that tension motivates

23:56

you to keep going now now you're

23:59

in the middle you can't go back you've

24:01

you've already started and it's too tense. So So

24:03

even going back is gonna require a lot

24:05

of work. work. It's just less work to

24:07

go it and experience resolution. And And that's a part

24:09

of music too, right? You got the dissonance,

24:11

but then you got the resolution. so I so

24:13

I would say embrace that tension as

24:15

serving a purpose to motivate you to complete

24:17

the task. the task. Mindy says, if I don't

24:19

clear the kitchen countertops before I go

24:21

to bed, I feel like the house is

24:23

falling apart. like the house is falling apart. Girls, same. Well, know,

24:25

what's funny is I have three rules

24:28

for this. You know, we have the this. You

24:30

which you can download for free on

24:32

our website, book, which.com slash rule free There's also

24:34

an audio book version of this as well.

24:36

It's 16 rules for living with less,

24:38

but I'm working on an updated version, not

24:40

of that book, but a second book

24:42

with some more rules that we have compiled

24:45

over the years that didn't make it

24:47

into that. And there's three of them that

24:49

really stood out to me. The first

24:51

one is the one is rule. I'm going to

24:53

read that to you real read is

24:55

a synopsis This is a accumulates

24:57

quickly throughout your home because

25:00

every flat surface seems

25:02

to attract clutter surface our

25:04

desks and coffee tables and

25:06

countertops and dressers and coffee

25:08

and benches and sideboards

25:11

and tables and coffee tables and coffee homes

25:13

are outfitted with boundless

25:15

surface area area the the of

25:17

stuff stuff. Of Of course, you pay you

25:20

pay it no until one

25:22

day, detritus has metastasized to

25:24

cover every flat surface, stacks

25:26

of unread junk magazines

25:28

an unwanted junk mail,

25:31

piles of unfinished projects

25:33

and unattended toys, hordes of

25:35

of untidy appliances, an an

25:37

unremarkable junk, Not not

25:39

to mention the receipts, notes,

25:41

packages, bags, and pocket

25:43

scraps, all of which

25:45

accumulate with ease. with ease.

25:47

It It didn't happen overnight. overnight. But

25:49

but fear not. The chaos can can

25:51

be addressed relatively expediently

25:53

with the no piles rule, which

25:55

contains two key ingredients.

25:58

The first ingredient is fuel. surfaces. Whether you

26:00

Whether you live in a tiny

26:02

apartment or a McMansion, having

26:04

fewer flat surfaces means fewer places

26:07

for the rubbish to collect. to

26:09

collect. Ergo, If a piece of

26:11

furniture has a flat top, top, you

26:13

you can do what my

26:15

wife and I do. I Refuse

26:17

to bring it into our home

26:19

unless it's functional and critical. Sure,

26:22

we we have a a desk, dresser, and

26:24

a table in our our home. But even

26:26

those items remain clutter clutter free.

26:28

not in use thanks to the

26:30

next ingredient. So the second

26:32

ingredient is what I call clear

26:34

surfaces. what I call Even with the

26:36

appropriate amount of surface area,

26:38

Clutter will still find its

26:40

way clutter will still find its way

26:42

to the surface. It's as as if our

26:45

level surfaces are a magnet for

26:47

miscellaneous. So I I have one more

26:49

rule in my house, my and that

26:51

rule is this. is this. unless

26:53

a possession is used every day.

26:55

day. It It doesn't belong on a flat

26:57

surface. It It must find a new

26:59

home in a drawer or a closet or

27:02

better yet. in the donation bin.

27:04

Thus, our desk our desk remains

27:06

empty and our kitchen counters

27:08

contain only a hot water heater

27:10

and a coffee grinder, a while

27:12

our blender, food processor, and

27:14

other appliances other inside their respective

27:17

cabinets. cabinets. And so...

27:19

When I When I think about this no rule,

27:21

I do have some exceptions that are

27:23

some art that we keep on our

27:25

shelves or counters and artwork tends to

27:27

be the artwork exception for me, the

27:29

coffee table me, the things like that. But

27:31

this no piles rule helps me so

27:33

that I'm not just allowing those receipts

27:36

and bags and everything to pile up. pile

27:38

The other one is the the out the

27:40

open rule which we have mentioned in

27:42

the past and in fact there is

27:44

a video on on our decluttering series. We'll

27:46

put a link to it in the

27:48

show notes. We made a a video about the out

27:50

the open rule. rule. But I'll just

27:52

it like this, Out of sight sight

27:55

isn't really out of all because

27:57

all that material clutter hiding in

27:59

your - creates mental clutter.

28:01

saw the If you saw

28:03

recent recent Netflix documentary, less Now, you'll

28:05

remember that our that party concept

28:07

was in it was that concept was

28:09

where you box up all of

28:11

your possessions of your if you're

28:14

moving and you unpack only the items you

28:16

need over the course of three weeks. course Well,

28:18

the out in the open rule is almost

28:20

this reverse packing party. party. You take everything

28:22

that's hidden in those cabinets and closets and

28:24

drawers. We like to do it here at

28:26

the studio at least once a year. We're

28:28

gonna do it in January a up. We just

28:30

pull everything out and you put it there.

28:32

pull clutter. you put it put it on

28:34

the floor You put it on it isn't

28:36

out of sight, out of sight,

28:38

It's of mind. now it's top of

28:41

mind. of I have to do something

28:43

with this clutter now. So So get

28:45

it out the open And you realize,

28:47

didn't realize how many things I

28:49

had in my drawers and my

28:51

cabinets and those boxes and bins.

28:53

And when I dump it all

28:55

out on the floor, I'm forced

28:57

to deal with it. I'm so

28:59

whether it's coffee mugs whether it's utensils

29:01

or appliances or expired food. appliances or

29:03

hard drives, electronics

29:06

manuals. Sometimes we hold on to these manuals

29:08

to like our toaster. like our Why do

29:10

I still have this manual to my microwave?

29:12

my Do I I the microwave all the

29:14

time? I don't need the manual for it.

29:16

for hold on to these things, cables and

29:18

cords that are way out of date.

29:20

We're never going to need, to we hold

29:23

on to on to case, which is one of

29:25

the rules of the rules in the rule book, rulebook.

29:27

for living with less. We hold on

29:29

to a lot of things of once we

29:31

get them out we oven, lot get them out We

29:33

start to let them go. We

29:35

realize how much clutter is hidden

29:38

away in those boxes and bins

29:40

and drawers and cabinets. And finally,

29:42

I have finally, I have stage the stage rule.

29:44

So, you know what? If you're like me,

29:46

you hate waking If you're like me,

29:48

you hate waking up to a cluttered

29:50

bedroom or a cluttered living room or a

29:52

cluttered bathroom. And so I the morning. my

29:54

And so and something use wife and I both

29:57

use daughter and we daughter too, we get her

29:59

involved with this. It's called the stage rule. And

30:01

we use it to start

30:03

our day by setting the stage

30:05

the night before It takes only

30:07

five minutes because we do

30:09

it every night every night. And it's a

30:12

great way to simplify tomorrow. And

30:14

here's how it works in And here's how

30:16

it works in two quick steps. First, you

30:18

take You could take five minutes, you

30:20

could take maybe up to at

30:22

minutes at first before bedtime, identify

30:24

any household clutter that might

30:26

disrupt your next morning. morning. If it it

30:29

gets in the way, it's clutter.

30:31

We'll just remember that, right? that, right? you

30:33

can look at the dishes in the

30:35

sink or maybe there's there's and art

30:37

supplies that have been left out

30:39

on tables or on the floor. What

30:41

about your floor. What about your wallet or

30:43

your purse or your purse or your all

30:45

of these pocket and all these pocket that are

30:48

strewn throughout your house or your about

30:50

your watches and jewelry and belts

30:52

and ties ties any ornamental items that used

30:54

to to decorate your person. found their way

30:56

just found their way all over the

30:58

about socks and shoes? When I everywhere else. I used to joke about

31:00

socks and shoes? When I owned Nicodemus, I used

31:02

to joke that he was the the house. The soon he walked

31:04

in the door, one shoe would go here, another shoe owned about 12

31:06

items, but they were just he all throughout the

31:08

house. way. As soon as they walk in, they just like, the door, they

31:10

one shoe would go here, like shoe would go

31:12

here. just He was just in my house recently just

31:14

he and his wife are both the same

31:16

way. soon as they walk in, just like, they just their

31:18

shoes they're, they're, they're, like, how do you do this,

31:20

right? they're, they're, they're, they're, they And so you don't even have

31:23

to own that many things. It's easy to

31:25

have clutter. You're just dropping things as, oh, I

31:27

take my socks off here in the hallway

31:29

and hallway. they're just sitting there in the hallway.

31:31

And what about all And what about all the laundry that's

31:33

still in the dryer that you haven't folded yet?

31:35

Oh, I'll just deal with that tomorrow. with I'll

31:37

deal with it right now so you don't

31:39

have to deal with it tomorrow. We We call it

31:41

setting the stage and it takes us about about.

31:43

five minutes to do each night. It might take

31:46

you a little bit longer than that at

31:48

first but then it's just a practice that we

31:50

have. it's up the next day, a that we have. We

31:52

it's a calm way to

31:54

start the day. a calm way to

31:56

start the day. it I a game a

31:58

game my family. And so all

32:00

of us sort of play it together.

32:02

Let's see if we can identify what

32:04

items would be cluttering our tomorrow and

32:07

let's get it out of the way.

32:09

This is especially true with my daughter

32:11

when I'm going into her room and

32:13

it's like her backpacks on the floor

32:15

and there's clothes on the closet floor

32:17

and it's like, hey, let's set the

32:19

stage for tomorrow. What about joy? What's...

32:21

Well at what point does her home

32:23

feel cluttered? She says our house feels

32:25

cluttered when there are projects that need

32:27

attention. For example, the game my kid

32:29

built at school, the shoes we're trying

32:31

to repair before buying a new pair,

32:33

or the papers I want to review

32:35

with my husband before I recycle them.

32:37

There seems to be a steady stream

32:39

of these things that sit out so

32:41

we don't forget about them. Yeah, leaving

32:43

things out so we don't forget about

32:45

them. I think you could add that

32:47

into the set the stage rule or

32:49

the no piles rule as well. This

32:51

happens to all of us. And I

32:53

think the reason it happens so much,

32:55

it just happened to me yesterday as

32:58

a matter of fact. I had three

33:00

things on my desk neatly stacked there,

33:02

but there are things I've been putting

33:04

off because we closed the studio last

33:06

week. So I'm like, I'm not gonna

33:08

do any work on these things this

33:10

week. And they just sat there. and

33:12

they become burdensome. Now it's a little

33:14

burden, it's not like a rock fell

33:16

on my head, it's like a pebbles

33:18

in my shoe. And I don't like

33:20

pebbles in my shoe, I want to

33:22

deal with that pebble, but what do

33:24

we do? We treat that pebble as

33:26

though it's a boulder, and it's going

33:28

to be so difficult. And so I

33:30

found the first thing for me was

33:32

this paperwork I'll cabinet. Now that took

33:34

me maybe 45 seconds, if that. But

33:36

let's say it would have taken me

33:38

five minutes. So what? In my mind,

33:40

it was like an hour long task

33:42

and oh, I'll just wait until I

33:44

have the perfect time to do this.

33:46

But maybe now is the perfect time

33:49

if you realize that it's not going

33:51

to take me nearly as much time

33:53

as I think to deal with that

33:55

project. What about April? What point does

33:57

April's home feel cluttered? Honestly, my

33:59

house feels most cluttered

34:01

right after right after receiving Christmas gifts.

34:03

You know, know, so getting things that you

34:05

didn't necessarily plan on getting, getting, right? My

34:07

house feels My house feels cluttered that way

34:09

as well, but I wouldn't call it

34:11

with Christmas gifts. I Any time I

34:13

get something in the mail, I hate

34:16

getting stuff from Amazon boxes because then I boxes

34:18

because then I have to do something

34:20

with it. it I have to take

34:22

it out of the box, I have

34:24

to find a place for it, and

34:26

so even if it's something that I

34:28

know I'm I'm forward to or something that

34:31

I need and my I need and my needed

34:33

to replace my phone replace my my case

34:35

or whatever. or I it, but now

34:37

I have to deal with to deal like

34:39

bringing as few things into my home

34:41

as possible that I don't have to

34:43

deal with those things later things later. Yeah,

34:45

absolutely man. man. Oh man, well we we

34:47

have so many people that respond to this topic.

34:49

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34:51

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35:11

How about you you At what point does

35:13

your home feel cluttered? Let us know

35:15

in the comments. Okay, give

35:17

me something something pithy, TK. At At

35:19

what point does your home feel

35:21

cluttered? starts when purpose when

35:23

purpose stops. King Midas So

35:25

I'll use King You as an example.

35:27

know the story about the Midas where

35:30

where everything that Midas touched turned into

35:32

gold? think I think one possible interpretation

35:34

of that story could be that

35:36

everything in life is capable of being

35:38

transformed when you engage it with

35:40

the right kind of mindset. kind of mindset.

35:43

Well, think the opposite is also

35:45

true. There's an an antimitis where

35:47

even things that are can

35:49

be can be transformed into junk

35:51

by engaging them in an unhealthy way.

35:53

And where I experienced this in

35:55

my life is that everything in my

35:57

home is capable of being transformed

35:59

into clutter if I lose I lose

36:01

touch with the aspirations and the ideals

36:03

and the values thing into my me to allow

36:05

that thing into my home. I bought

36:08

that coffee mug I it looked cool

36:10

in the store it I imagine how good

36:12

it would feel in my hand on

36:14

it on Christmas or or something along those

36:16

lines, but I never actually get around

36:18

to using it. It weighs on me.

36:20

me. It becomes a burden. And so

36:22

sometimes you have clutter because you have

36:24

the wrong things in your home, but

36:26

sometimes you have clutter because you have

36:28

the wrong relationship with the right things. things.

36:31

That word is so applicable here.

36:33

when you think about clutter, that can

36:35

be really nebulous for folks. mean, you

36:37

could walk into a really clutter clutter you

36:39

could say, you this is cluttered for

36:41

me. And I think that for me

36:43

is really important, right? If I were

36:45

to walk into Jackson Jackson studio art the,

36:48

when was he in the, when 40s? 50s, 40s? If I

36:50

If I walked into his art studio

36:52

and it was my studio all of

36:54

a sudden, a say, wow, this is really

36:56

cluttered. for me, me, but

36:58

not for him. And I

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think it's important to point out

37:02

out that is is contextual, right?

37:05

And sometimes the context my what is

37:07

my relationship with these things? And

37:09

it could be that I had

37:11

a relationship with these things and

37:13

now I'm just clinging to them.

37:15

And as the Buddha said, the

37:17

clinging is suffering or clinging leads

37:19

to suffering. He also called it clinging

37:21

of the mind. mind. So we're not

37:23

just clinging to those things to those

37:25

things mentally we're to those. possessions that

37:28

are no longer serving us, which

37:30

brings me to my us, answer, me and

37:32

it's simply this. answer. And it's that

37:34

gets in the way. that gets in

37:36

the way is And maybe if I were

37:38

to pin that now were what you said,

37:40

is now with that feels like a burden. feels

37:42

like a clutter, is so I can either

37:44

let go of the clutter of the I

37:46

can let go of my current relationship

37:49

to the thing. the thing. That's right. right.

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That's the end of of page one, y 'all.

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have an entire entire of callers to

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talk to on pages to on and three,

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but first, real quick quick here, right now.

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Here's what. one thing that's going on in

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the life of the minimalist. Shout out

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to Jackie, one of our patrons in

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Reading, Pennsylvania. You know, she donated 10

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Audio Plus memberships for folks who want

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to become members of our private podcast.

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If you wanna dive into our private

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subscription. How are we handling this, Bama?

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I think the best thing to do

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is just have the first 10 people

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email us at podcasts at theminimalist.com and

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put in the subject line, Jackie, you're

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I'd really love to get a subscription

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thousands of other people over there in

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their Patreon community. I just don't have

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the means to do it right now.

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Jackie is giving 10 memberships to folks.

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She already took care of it because

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Patreon's doing the gifting thing now. So

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we have a way to do that,

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to give you that membership. Shout out

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to Jackie. You are awesome, and you

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get a front row seat to any

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of our live events. I know you're

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out in Pennsylvania, but if you wanna

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come out to Los Angeles, Jackie, our

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next Sunday symposium, it's the last one

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of the year. It's on December 29th,

39:14

and it's here in Los Angeles. And

39:16

by the way, this is our last

39:18

one in Los Angeles for a while,

39:20

because next year we're going to Santa

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Barbara, tomorrow we're going to Orange County

39:25

for a bit. So we're expanding Sunday

39:27

symposium. Hope to see you there. Jackie,

39:29

if you get a chance to make

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it out, we'll make sure we save

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you a seat in the front row.

39:35

And this one's gonna be special. We'll

39:37

discuss letting go of this past year,

39:39

and what does that mean for you?

39:42

For me, it means making room for

39:44

the important things. Let's identify what some

39:46

of those important things are together for

39:48

2025 and beyond. You can grab your

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tickets over at sundaysymposium.com. We'll put a

39:52

link to that in the show notes.

39:54

Hope to see you there. We just

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released a few tickets. These things always...

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sell out so make make sure you grab your

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tickets while you can. you can. And

40:03

Jackie, thank you thank you so much. I

40:05

had the pleasure of doing a free

40:07

clutter counseling session with Jackie an awesome time

40:09

that what an awesome time that was

40:11

to meet her and just connect with

40:13

her. You're a wonderful person. We appreciate

40:16

you. I'm sure everyone else who is

40:18

able to experience the Patreon membership experience.

40:20

you as well. well. shout out to out

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for making this possible. this absolutely. Yeah, They've

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been super helpful in creating this and

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the gifting experience the created as well

40:28

so you can give a gift of

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our private podcast as well. of our private given

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out. as well. So Jackie has for an

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entire year. It's not just a

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entire an entire year. Shout out

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to Shout Jackie is is Put

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that in the subject line, subject line,.com.

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First 10 people to email

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us, ask for that subscription. We'll

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make sure taking care of. Malabama,

40:49

what else you got for

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us? you a minimalist insight from one of our

40:53

listeners. insight My beloved

40:55

of our listeners. My beloved minimalist, this

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Vegas. I'm a Patreon

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subscriber I'm a patron proud cult

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member of a proud cult member

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of TK Coleman. I this is

41:06

usually usually I'm calling to share about

41:08

being to share by about being I know

41:10

there are many others who would

41:12

benefit. who would from his coaching

41:14

his coaching, and... Since he won't let

41:16

me keep him him on line 24-7, like I

41:18

to to, he has a little time

41:20

for some other time for some I

41:23

first received I notice about his

41:25

coaching, I jumped on that

41:27

offer immediately. I was sure somebody

41:29

accidentally left off a zero left

41:31

the fee, so I moved

41:33

on it. the fee, so I moved had

41:35

two sessions so far

41:38

and it's ridiculous how much

41:40

I've much There isn't anything

41:42

cookie cutter about coaching. TK's

41:44

coaching. He's completely present. He

41:47

has the innate ability to home in on

41:49

what I need at the time. at the

41:51

time. He creates those those aha

41:53

but they're actionable aha

41:55

moments, which is rare.

41:58

which is rare. And what a miss. with

42:00

a coaches. During

42:02

our last session, he challenged

42:04

me on something that has completely

42:06

transformed a lifelong habit of

42:08

how I speak to myself and

42:10

others. It's been amazing. I

42:13

hear the question being asked, but

42:16

Amy, what is it specifically about him

42:18

that makes his coaching so powerful?

42:20

And my answer is, I have no

42:22

clue. What is it

42:24

about the Beatles or Martin

42:26

Luther King or Oprah that has

42:28

millions of people changed by

42:31

them, still impacted decades later by

42:33

all they sing, say, and

42:35

suggest without ever knowing them personally?

42:37

That's certain it and TK has

42:39

it. Maybe it's magic fairy

42:41

dust, I don't know. I

42:44

don't care. He's a

42:46

special human being and the

42:48

wisest, most thoughtful, most intuitive

42:50

coach I've met. I'm

42:53

taking advantage of any chance I have

42:55

to be in his presence and I

42:57

encourage others to do the same. Give

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yourself the gift of his coaching brilliance.

43:01

You absolutely will not be sorry. So

43:04

TK, if you haven't gotten your restraining

43:06

order on me yet, I'll see you next

43:08

week. Thank you. Amy

43:12

from fabulous Las Vegas.

43:14

Thank you for that fabulous

43:16

comment. TK is also

43:18

my personal Oprah. Hey, Hey

43:20

man, I am from

43:22

Chicago. Wow, wow, Wow. wow.

43:24

Amy. I'm speechless. I

43:26

truly am. If am. words can only

43:28

express, I appreciate you so much. Thank

43:30

you for that. Those are the kindest

43:32

words that anyone could say about me

43:34

and no way in the world am

43:36

I getting a restraining order for you.

43:39

I'll see you next week. Thanks, Amy.

43:41

Well, if anyone else is interested, you

43:43

can book a clutter counseling session with

43:45

TK Coleman over at theminimalists.com. Just click

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Are Are corporations like Amazon

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destructive to the to the of

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Big for the recording space. On

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Ryan Academus, T.K. Coleman, Jeff, and Spire

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Dave, Savvy D, and the rest

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listening, y' We'll see you

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next time. Peace. Every little

45:31

thing you think that you

45:33

need. Every little thing you

45:36

think that you need. Every

45:38

little thing that's just feeding

45:41

your greed. Oh, I bet

45:43

that you'll be fine without

45:45

it.