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today's episode may stir up
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some strong opinions, especially if you've
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ever struggled with your mental
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health or questioned the medical system
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that's supposed to help. Laura
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Delano spent 14 years under
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psychiatric care working with a
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variety of diagnosed mental illnesses
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and trying every drug and
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therapy that promised to fix her.
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But eventually she started wondering what
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if the problem wasn't in her
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brain but in the system itself. In
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her searing new memoir, Unshrunk,
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a story of psychiatric treatment
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resistance, Laura recounts how
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she reclaimed her life, not by
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following doctors' orders, but by
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learning to trust herself again. She
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joins us now to share some of her
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most hard -won insights, right after this quick
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Monday with me, Jesse Hempel, on
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you get your podcasts. Hi,
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my name is Laura Delano. I'm
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an author, speaker, and consultant. Today,
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I'm going to share five of the key
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insights from my book, Unshrunk.
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a story of psychiatric treatment
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resistance. Insight number
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one. Personal struggle doesn't
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necessarily mean there's anything wrong
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with you. In fact, it
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may well be the very opposite. The
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words we use to make sense
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of our inner experiences shape the way
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we understand ourselves, who
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we are, what our thoughts and
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emotions mean, how we fit
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or don't fit into the world
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around us. I spent the
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most formative years of my
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life thinking about myself through the
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medicalized framework of mental illness
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and mental health. I
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translated my intense anger
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and despair and angst
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and loneliness and paranoia
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and self -doubt into the language
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of symptom, disease, and
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psychopathology, and grew convinced
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that my biochemistry needed fixing.
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I eventually learned that the very
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opposite was true. that my
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struggle was a sign of my aliveness, my
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sensitivity, my attunement to
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the world. My book invites
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the question, what if
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your struggles are not indicative
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of personal illness or malfunction, but
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of the fact that something is
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out of alignment in your relationship to
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society around you, or perhaps
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out of alignment in society itself?
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Emotional pain does not have to
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mean proof of pathology. It
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can also mean that we are
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fully here and in touch with
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what's happening to and around us. No
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one knows you better than you know yourself.
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During my time in the mental health system, I
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came to believe that I couldn't trust
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my mind, that my thoughts and
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emotions were something to be scared
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of and managed rather than tuned
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into for guidance. My
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faithful identification with doctor
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-imposed diagnostic categories arrested
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my own process
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of individual meaning -making. What
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was the sense in cultivating curiosity about
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why I felt the way I did
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when it was simply the result of
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biological malfunction? I believed
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that my doctors, with all their
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qualifications and years of training, were
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experts on my suffering. Having
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lost faith in the soundness of my
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own opinions, I accepted their
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delineation of my limits and what
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I would be able to quote
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unquote manage as a quote unquote
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sick person. I learned
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to quell the voice
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inside me that voiced confusion
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or discomfort or protest
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because as a faithful patient, I had
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internalized the belief that this was all
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for my own good. When
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I left the mental health system, I
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had to undergo a process of
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recovery. Not in the sense
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of becoming mentally healthy, so to speak, but
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in the sense of retrieval, of
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finding what I'd lost. That
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lost thing was trust in
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myself, faith in
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my ability to navigate and interpret the
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world on my terms, knowing that
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I had all the answers I needed
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within me. Expertise
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doesn't always come from having
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letters after your name. We're
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trained to believe that expertise
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comes from formal education, from
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accreditations and positions of
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prestige in respected institutions. But
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the word expertise actually
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comes from the Latin experitus,
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meaning tried, proved,
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known through experience. When
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I decided to come off psychiatric
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drugs in 2010, I
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did so with minimal help from my
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prescriber. Neither of us knew
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how to safely taper off medications, and
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I ended up discontinuing five drugs
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in the space of about six
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months, which is essentially
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going cold turkey and very
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dangerous. At the
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time, online communities of people
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withdrawing from psychiatric drugs were
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still in their infancy, and
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so I muddled through withdrawal
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without knowing what was happening. Since
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then, Online withdrawal
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communities have increased exponentially,
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a telling indicator about the lack
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of understanding and support from
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medical professionals about psychiatric drug withdrawal.
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It's been laypeople, not
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scientists, not clinicians, who
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have developed extensive knowledge
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about safe tapering methods, all
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based on their failed and successful
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attempts to come off their medications. However,
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Since this type of knowledge doesn't
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come from those with letters after
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their names or from academic institutions, layperson
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expertise is often
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considered invalid. And
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yet, in the case of psychiatric
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drug tapering, the science is
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finally catching up with what laypeople
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have known and been supporting each other
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with all along. This
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is just one example of a service
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that we regularly outsource to professionals. that's
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actually freely available in our
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own communities. Don't
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wait until you heal to start
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living. I spent
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my 20s in active pursuit
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of mental health recovery. I
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felt sure I couldn't focus on
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living until I made it to
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this endpoint where I'd feel emotional
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balance, put togetherness, and personal arrival.
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Achieving this state became my North
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Star. Eventually, in
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the wake of coming off my meds far
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too quickly, and in the throes
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of psychiatric drug withdrawal, I
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realized I had to stop sitting in
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the waiting room of my life. It
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was only by showing up with my
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mind on fire that I would heal. It
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was by insisting on putting myself
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out there in the world, and opening
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up to all the possible moments
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of feeling connected that I would recover.
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And not despite feeling unready, but
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because of it. The
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objective to living isn't
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happiness and balance. It's
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meaning and authenticity. I
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grew up in a wealthy
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New England town where the air
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itself seemed infused with happiness
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and perfection. This, in
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turn, created an alienating,
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suffocating illusion that everyone
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else, save you, had their
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act together. The
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underlying assumption that I was the only
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one who hadn't cracked the happiness
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code was a large part of what
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drove me to surrender myself to
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mental health professionals through my teens and
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twenties. Since I'd failed
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at feeling good, I concluded, I
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must need help getting there. The
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right meds, the right therapist, the
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right behavior modification technique. It
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wasn't until after I'd come
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off my meds and abandoned my
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diagnoses that I began to
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understand how backwards this thinking was.
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Books like Victor Frankl's Man's
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Search for Meaning, and
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the writings and poems of
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Jiddu Krishnamurti, David White,
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and Mary Oliver ignited a
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profound revelation in me. Life
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isn't about happiness. It's
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about how connected you feel to yourself
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and to the world around you. It's
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about moving through the world with a
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sense of meaning and purpose. The
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consumerist, hyper -individualist nature
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of our society teaches
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us otherwise. If
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one feels discomfort, be
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it boredom, sadness, self
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-doubt, anger, loneliness,
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grief, fear, the
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list goes on, there's a
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prescription available, a product
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or service or drug we can call
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on to help alleviate our symptoms. But
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what if the prison isn't pain itself
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but the belief that we need to be
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free of it? Being human
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is about living in shadows
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and light. It took me a
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long time to learn that and I
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came out stronger as a result. Thank
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you, Laura. Okay everyone,
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