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1:01

Monday. Marked the official start

1:03

of the Trump Hush Money

1:05

Trial and with that the

1:07

prosecution's first official witness. David.

1:10

Pecker. Now

1:12

sit back for a moment folks

1:14

and get comfortable because it's story

1:16

that. Today. It's all about

1:18

packers. Or. Rather, a

1:20

packer named pecker. Editors.

1:23

Rejoice when seeing this man's name in

1:25

print for the sole reason that they

1:27

can write headlines like. Pekka.

1:30

Rises. Pecker. Exposed.

1:32

Oh, or as The Daily

1:34

Beast noted in Wednesday's coverage

1:36

of the trial. Pecker.

1:39

The fleet's. Beyond.

1:41

That. His. Company American Media

1:44

was hardly a bastion of

1:46

journalistic excellence. Rather,

1:48

It was the kind of place you went

1:50

while waiting for your career to die. A

1:53

chap shop. The. Magazine equivalent of

1:55

Stratton Oakmont from the Wolf of

1:57

Wall Street. My. Friends in the

1:59

industry, Called it men's warehouse for

2:02

the prevalence of middle aged

2:04

white guys from Long Island

2:06

marching around an ill fitting

2:08

suits. And. Bad golf

2:10

shirts. All. Of them served

2:13

at the feet of Pecker, the

2:15

company's Pasha, who over the years

2:17

became a tabloid staple in his

2:19

own right. With his lacquered hair

2:21

and porn star a mustache, he

2:23

played the role of magazine kingpin

2:25

holding court in New York's toniest

2:27

restaurants. He was a paid six

2:30

staple. In. His earlier

2:32

days, the former accountant launched the

2:34

ill fated George Magazine with J

2:36

F K Jr. But

2:39

it was that American media where

2:41

he built his highly leveraged and

2:44

get written empire upon a heap

2:46

of tabloid trash, manufacturing fake news

2:48

and engaging in as he described

2:51

on the witness stand. Checkbook

2:54

Journalism. If

2:56

there was ever a person literally made

2:58

for Donald Trump, It was

3:00

David Pecker. Naturally,

3:03

To to Med att Mara Lago And

3:05

they began what Pecker describes on the

3:07

witness stand as a quote. Great.

3:10

Mutually beneficial relationship unquote

3:12

in which they would

3:14

boost each other's endeavors

3:16

most notably Packers National

3:18

Enquirer and Trump's start

3:20

turning Tv show, The

3:22

Apprentice, followed by Celebrity

3:24

Apprentice. Pack. A record that

3:27

his top selling issues were the

3:29

ones featuring the reality show Rising

3:31

Star who decided the fate of

3:33

his contestants, elevating some and famously

3:35

telling others. You're Fired.

3:39

Pecker and Trump became tight. Pecker.

3:42

Called him. Donald Pekka recalled telling

3:44

Trump of an internal Am I

3:46

poll that showed eighty percent of

3:49

National Enquirer readers want to Trump

3:51

to run for President. Subsided

3:54

the number on the Today Show and

3:56

suggested he might be running. And

3:58

then things got even. Weirder. Pekka.

4:01

Was summoned to Trump Tower by

4:03

then six your Michael Cohen and

4:05

the boss himself along with Hope

4:07

Hicks who was at the time

4:09

a Trump Pr flunky. This.

4:11

Began what prosecutors are calling. The.

4:14

Trump Tower Conspiracy.

4:16

You. See. Packers. Titles

4:18

like The National Enquirer

4:20

and Star specialized in

4:22

tabloid cells. Having

4:25

taken down every one from Tiger

4:27

Woods to former presidential candidate John

4:29

Edwards, the also worth the other

4:31

way If you were a friend

4:33

of packers or could somehow be

4:36

beneficial to him or the company,

4:38

the Enquirer would protect you. This

4:41

was known as Cats and

4:43

Kill. By. Packers account.

4:45

He agreed to be Trump's eyes

4:47

and ears and alert him through

4:49

Cohen if he heard of anybody

4:51

tried to sell negative stories, especially

4:53

if they were women. Quote.

4:57

In a presidential campaign, I was the

4:59

person that thought that a lot of

5:01

women would come out to sell their

5:04

stories. Pecker said. Pecker. Testified

5:06

that if he heard of any story

5:08

that my name trump. He. Was

5:10

to call Cohen. They would

5:12

then engage in cats until buying

5:14

the story to prevent it from

5:16

ever being published. Positive.

5:18

Trump stories were embarrassingly sycophantic.

5:21

Reaching levels of had the

5:23

I've received would have embarrass

5:25

deprive the editor when writing

5:28

about Joseph Stalin and early

5:30

installment Donald Trump the Man

5:32

behind the Legend by like

5:35

Donald Trump set the tone

5:37

for all the rest. Bombshell

5:39

video Donald Trump was ranked

5:41

about nine Eleven celebrations. Crews.

5:44

And to victory. Ted. Endorses

5:47

Donald Donald dominates Trump,

5:49

edges out Clinton in

5:51

latest poll and of

5:53

course the post election

5:55

gloat. Sorry pollsters find

5:57

out how the National

5:59

Enquirer predicted President Trump.

6:01

At the same time. Pick your

6:03

pledge to run negative stories against

6:05

Trump's rivals for the Republican nomination.

6:08

The headlines ranged from

6:10

been going surgeon Ben

6:12

Carson left sponge impatience

6:14

brain to. Family.

6:17

Man: Marco Rubio Love child

6:19

stunner. Sue. To

6:22

Ted Cruz seem to buy

6:24

porn star. The. Texas senator

6:27

was also the beneficiary of

6:29

one of the enquirer most

6:31

storied works of tabloid tall

6:33

tales with. Ted. Cruz father

6:35

caught with J F K Assassin

6:37

those comments from Donald Trump this

6:39

morning more controversy about Ted Cruz's

6:41

father, Ted Cruz's father and what

6:43

Trump seem to be suggesting with

6:45

some kind of linked to We

6:48

Harvey Oswald. Based on reporting from

6:50

a National Enquirer, Pecker would share

6:52

advanced pdf of these hit pieces

6:54

with Cohen, who would offer additional

6:56

pointers and commentary. But no matter

6:58

how much mud was slung by

7:00

Parker on behalf of Trump, the

7:02

women continue to come out of

7:04

the woodwork. It seems

7:06

that even the most sophisticated sleaze

7:09

operation in the world could not

7:11

contain the bad acts and libido

7:13

of Danica. Patrick

7:16

testified that he learned in June

7:18

Twenty Six Team that former Playboy

7:20

playmate Karen Mcdougall was seeking to

7:22

sell a story of a nearly

7:24

year old affair with Trump former.

7:27

Playboy playmate Karen Mcdougall appeared on

7:29

Cnn Thursday nights to talk about

7:31

the affair. She says she had

7:33

this Donald Trump before he became

7:35

President, among other things. Mcdougall says

7:37

he tried to give her money

7:39

after they had sex. Unfortunately,

7:41

the testimony ended on a

7:43

cliffhanger. But. Everyone knows

7:45

what happens next. Like. One

7:48

of packers in decently entertaining stories

7:50

from the Enquirer. The jury

7:52

all wanted to know the sleazy details

7:55

and were hankering for more. Stay.

7:57

Tuned folks. Stay tuned. I'll

8:00

return with more pecker tails on

8:02

Monday's episode, including all the filthy

8:05

ins and outs of the Stormy

8:07

Daniels arrangement and the one and

8:09

thirty thousand dollar payment at the

8:11

heart of this travel. The.

8:14

Question remains what effect all of

8:16

this will have on Trump's political

8:18

standing. A normal person would

8:20

read pets testimony and see it

8:23

for what it was: influence, peddling,

8:25

and election interference on an industrial

8:27

scale. In an excellent piece to

8:29

the nation. Chris. Layman laid it

8:32

out thusly. Quote. The

8:34

deep seated corruption laid out by

8:36

Pecker. Establishes. A crucial

8:38

through line in all of Trump's

8:41

prosecutions, an ongoing sit down efforts.

8:44

At every turn, Trump seeks

8:46

to secure perfect impunity through

8:48

any and all available elicit

8:50

means, and the moment that

8:52

anyone privy to those deals

8:54

turns on him, they are

8:56

like Michael Cohen instantly cast

8:58

into the outer darkness, designated

9:00

like the press as the

9:02

enemy of the people. It's

9:05

how his great political mentor Roy

9:07

Cohn taught him to move through

9:09

the world. And it's why Trump

9:11

will never abide by gag orders,

9:13

business disclosure laws, or the icicles

9:16

thrown in his past by the

9:18

courts and the press on quote.

9:20

And now for the Big conversation.

9:23

My next guest on the Defiant

9:25

Podcast is read: Galen, a master

9:27

political operative and founder of the

9:30

Lincoln Project with more than twenty

9:32

years experience. Reed. Has been

9:34

involved in politics, government, and

9:36

business at the highest levels.

9:38

having served as deputy campaign

9:41

manager for John Mccain presidential

9:43

campaign and deputy campaign manager

9:45

for Arnold Schwarzenegger is successful

9:47

two thousand and Six Reelection

9:49

campaign. Galen also worked on

9:51

both of President George W.

9:53

Bush Is campaigns and served

9:55

the Bush Administration at both

9:57

the Us Department of the

9:59

Treasury. In a Department of

10:01

Homeland Security. As founder of the

10:03

Lincoln Project, Galen has led the

10:05

group's vision and created some of

10:07

it's most memorable attacks against Donald

10:09

Trump. He's now focus on

10:12

not only reading the nation of Trump, But.

10:14

Attempting to purge the G O

10:16

P of it's love affair with

10:18

mega ideology. He joins

10:20

me today to read the political tea

10:23

leaves on what effect the Hush Money

10:25

trial will have on Trump's standing. In

10:29

addition, will go deep when a

10:31

general amnesia folks have one Trump

10:33

in general and just how the

10:35

hell this guy is still a

10:37

viable political candidate? Let's

10:39

go to the tape. Of.

10:48

The read: A I want to

10:50

thank you for joining me year

10:52

on the Defiant Podcast. Thank you

10:54

so much for doing you know

10:56

wasn't thanks for Adam about I

10:58

want to first start off by

11:00

asking you a broad question about

11:02

where we are. As a nice

11:05

and politically like that the Lincoln

11:07

Project is entering his second election

11:09

cycle. We're we're being asked to,

11:11

you know, Save Democracy again. So

11:13

first of all, you guys need

11:15

to be commended. For. You

11:17

know how you team together

11:19

and stuff your thumbs in

11:21

the emotional eyes of Donald

11:24

Trump? I mean, you really

11:26

got under his skin in

11:28

a unique way. like now

11:30

that we're Republicans nearby. So

11:34

so let me ask what

11:36

might be an obvious question.

11:39

Of why link him like

11:41

why the Lincoln Project. Has.

11:43

It you know it's it's actually really have

11:46

a God. We hadn't thought about that and

11:48

four and a half years it's hard to

11:50

believe it's been that long We we actually

11:52

batted around. it was gonna be one of

11:54

of to people. We started with Teddy Roosevelt

11:56

com and we thought you know because he

11:58

was are you know. Of his time

12:00

right? he was a trust busters. He was

12:03

you know, in in in a different you

12:05

know hundred twenty years ago way. He was

12:07

a pretty rough rider to. The.

12:09

He was a rough rider yeah, fact

12:11

that was the official name when we

12:13

filed the paperwork and then you know

12:15

we were having a call and the

12:17

you know is that. What about Lincoln?

12:19

And for us, you know Lincoln was

12:21

the first Republican President is you know

12:23

it's hard to believe now. And Twenty

12:26

Twenty four. But ah, the Republican party

12:28

is the last successful new entrance into

12:30

American party politics that we've had. And

12:32

it was founded in eighteen. Up!

12:34

What? Sixty Four. A

12:37

you know and as in you know so

12:39

quickly ebb and and the other parts it

12:41

was. It was a single issue party at

12:43

the time right? It was against the expansion.

12:45

Of. Slavery or out of the southern

12:47

states and into the Midwest. Are you

12:49

know they ran a candidate. Eighteen Fifty

12:51

Six Didn't win Eighteen Sixty. They run

12:54

Lincoln. Obviously we see what happens or

12:56

the wigs disappear right? Split the split

12:58

the wig polish between northern business owners

13:00

in southern slave holders. And

13:03

for for us he was

13:05

is much about who Lincoln

13:07

was and how we saw

13:09

ourselves our which was. You.

13:11

Know in In to Spin Twenty Twenty

13:13

Four years ago we were invited to go

13:16

to the Cooper Union. Where are in New

13:18

York City? Where are both of my

13:20

great uncles attended because they were electrical engineers?

13:22

The rest of us are all humanities

13:24

people. Ah, but you know that was where

13:27

he gave his right, makes might speech or

13:29

that really launched his candidacy an eighteen

13:31

sixty and stared at the lectern where he

13:33

stood and talked about the idea that

13:35

you could make all the excuses you wanted

13:38

to for why you were saying what you

13:40

were saying and have been behaving. The way

13:42

you were behaving and believing the way you

13:44

believed didn't make it right. right?

13:46

And you could come up with all the

13:49

excuses in the world's It's a long way

13:51

of saying that he was both a historical,

13:53

a political, and I think a spiritual guide

13:55

or even to this day for so many

13:57

of us. Would

13:59

Lincoln. A republican

14:01

today. I

14:05

don't. I don't know that he would be. A

14:09

you know see was fascinating man

14:11

in his own right or n

14:13

n one of those who are.

14:15

You know many presidents shrink within

14:17

the job. He only grew. Within.

14:20

The presidency and in a the

14:22

other part about him was he

14:24

never lost his sense of where

14:26

she wanted to go, but he

14:28

was also perfectly willing to. You

14:31

know, find different routes to get there if

14:33

that makes sense. And I want to say

14:35

compromise because you know you can. You can

14:37

take a step back. You know,

14:39

to the left it's trying Go three

14:42

steps forward. I don't know that he'd

14:44

be a republican today. I don't know

14:46

that he would recognize any of this

14:48

regardless. But certainly I don't think. He

14:52

would He would not stand with a party.

14:54

Or that now stood with. Ah,

14:57

You know the Old Confederacy right? That

14:59

that that holds up the Confederate flag

15:01

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16:16

I just we. I recently watched

16:18

a video that soon he may

16:21

as is probably was recent was

16:23

a message to moderate republicans and

16:25

you it was. It was very

16:27

interesting to make of. I did

16:29

want to ask you if you

16:31

were still a republican and what

16:34

would the when I got some

16:36

the video is you're you're not

16:38

really still a republican but she

16:40

were welcoming fellow former moderate republicans

16:42

and you is like. You highlighted

16:44

the dogs decision and you said

16:47

you know you probably didn't agree

16:49

with that this isn't and you

16:51

even highlighted the funding of Ukraine

16:53

And he thought well as that's

16:56

actually was a good sense and

16:58

right is It's strange because as

17:00

tribal as our politics have become

17:02

today, those are things that. You

17:05

know, identify those two positions would

17:07

be identified with the democratic party.

17:09

But you know, in I'm in

17:12

a broader sense, it's not really

17:14

even republican or democrat. Those two

17:16

things. It's just like the difference

17:18

between what's right and what's wrong.

17:21

The. Our first hims I for should say

17:23

I am no longer a registered republican.

17:25

I have been an independent since. Early

17:28

twenties sixteen. Once it was clear the Donald Trump

17:30

was going to win the Republican nomination, I said,

17:32

if this is where the party's gonna count me

17:34

out, you know, as I've said to others, you

17:37

know, when I was a kid, I grew up

17:39

in the G O P, right? I grew up

17:41

on Capitol Hill. I grew up in campaigns are

17:43

you could be a republican? You could be conservative.

17:46

You could be conservative Republican. I was always just

17:48

a plain old vanilla republican. I'm not a conservative.

17:50

I never happen. I don't really like the word

17:52

moderate because they they get did note some sort

17:55

of for you know, belief, you know, squishy this

17:57

in your own. Belief or ideology? The

18:00

I don't think I fit but that's

18:02

fine right? Note: No one is exactly

18:04

the same anywhere. Amen I take a

18:06

even today I think the party's ah

18:08

have have pushed themselves into corners where

18:10

I think as we've seen you know

18:12

less and less people identify with them

18:14

every day. But what I would say

18:16

is this is you know the video

18:18

I described the Edo. This is. This.

18:20

Is the difference I think between

18:22

how Republicans wage campaigns and how

18:24

Democrats wage campaigns. Republicans

18:27

wage campaigns in narratives.

18:29

And. In terms of values,

18:32

right? What is it that makes

18:34

you who you are. Or what

18:36

is it that makes you believe the

18:38

things you believe Democrats tend to be much

18:40

more intellectual about? Here's this issue here is

18:43

that is you. Here's this issue. Okay, that's

18:45

fine, but you know, as you know, politics

18:47

is an emotional business. I'm. In

18:50

select, let's take Dobbs what's the

18:52

value proposition and Dobbs? Okay, well.

18:55

For a soft republican voter right who probably

18:57

doesn't like Donald Trump anymore and that could

18:59

be as much as thirty percent of the

19:01

Geo Pina, right? I mean just look at

19:03

the primary results You not to look at

19:05

polling, look at how he was doing and

19:07

primary. She was consistently losing Fifteen Twenty Twenty

19:10

Five thirty percent to Nikki Haley. Even after

19:12

she dropped out, he was lose any hearsay

19:14

was even though than hand points to the

19:16

Santas. Yeah. Right is

19:18

so she has not consolidated his base and

19:20

I think that is that that's not his

19:22

in. So I think that's why he's in

19:24

real electoral probable. Back to the back to

19:27

Dobbs. First and foremost, this is going to

19:29

some weird republicans consider themselves traditional. Now

19:31

here's where a minute throw a curveball at.

19:34

In. The Context And we've done research

19:36

on this in the context of America

19:38

In Twenty Twenty Three when we did

19:40

a lot of a research and Twenty

19:42

Twenty four Roe V Wade. Was

19:45

a traditional political position.

19:48

right? That was that was sixty years

19:50

old. It wasn't ready. First of

19:52

all, it was a radical. When

19:54

it was decided it wasn't radical

19:56

in twenty twenty to fifty years

19:58

on settled law, settled. Yes, In

20:00

In A Think About This. Just as an

20:02

aside when Roe V Wade was decided, the

20:05

Southern Baptist Convention was supportive of it. Think

20:07

about that right? It was only later in

20:09

the seventies when they had run out of

20:11

things to to fight. You know, to get

20:14

there were there right voters fired up that

20:16

they decided they were against. But

20:19

here's where it is with soft republicans.

20:21

First, he was a radical decision to

20:23

overturn. It. Then they didn't like the

20:25

extremism that came out of it all of

20:28

the sun which was complete bands know you

20:30

know they are, you know why for the

20:32

mother rape incest none at no exceptions. But

20:34

here's the other part. Where

20:37

we called Dobbs death threat. I have two

20:39

daughters. Do. You want the

20:41

government? Or. And here's where

20:43

you get to Republicans on

20:45

elected judges making decisions for

20:47

you and your family. Rights

20:50

infringing on your individual

20:53

liberty. Seats. I'm not

20:55

talking about abortion as a right.

20:57

I'm not talking about a Porsche.

20:59

Abortion is even a medical proper

21:01

you know, medical procedure. But whether

21:03

who has the right to tell

21:06

you and your family especially your

21:08

daughter's. In your home how

21:10

they have to do something, what they

21:12

have to do and because as for

21:14

even of former about it we all

21:17

carry dislike Libertarian ship around and the

21:19

back of our head right? And so

21:21

individual liberty is iconography. It's I cannot.

21:23

It's iconic, It's it's the iconography of

21:25

being a Republican right. In the new

21:28

mentioned Ukraine, Ukraine is not to the

21:30

funding for Ukraine. Support for Ukraine is

21:32

not just about bombs and bullets in

21:34

money. Although it is practically about those

21:37

things, it is that how you see.

21:39

America. At. America's place

21:41

in the world and have you see

21:43

yourself as an American, right? White,

21:46

suburban, mostly men, Right.

21:48

Consider themselves to be proud Americans.

21:50

They are proud to be Americans.

21:53

and they bullied in America's place

21:55

in the world. right? It is

21:57

a value proposition is a myth.

21:59

The the greatest country amid the

22:01

current the world has ever seen.

22:03

And many of these voters believe

22:05

yes it is. And so when

22:07

you apply that to Donald Trump

22:09

being in bed with Vladimir Putin

22:11

or be named Dictator, they don't

22:13

get it. doesn't compute. They believe

22:15

in Nato, right? They believe in

22:17

the In the In in the

22:19

Western Alliance. Remember too that I

22:21

think it's important that economically. These.

22:24

Are all people who have time

22:26

and wherewithal? I'm sorry. When you

22:28

say V believes in me, tell you we're

22:30

still talking about republicans, just soft republicans. Yes

22:32

it is is an electoral covert rights and

22:35

this is why we're trying to get them

22:37

across the line to but. They.

22:40

Also have the economic wherewithal to

22:42

be able to worry about Nato,

22:44

right? If you're worried about where

22:46

you're pagan, pay your rent or

22:49

your next meal's coming from. Nato's.

22:51

Not on your list rights? these are.

22:53

the both of these cohorts tend to

22:55

be suburban. Almost. Exclusively

22:57

white, somewhere between forty five and

23:00

sixty five years old before the

23:02

Who For the Ukraine voters. They

23:04

remember the Cold War. Maybe Reagan was

23:07

a hero of there's they remember Reagan

23:09

at the wall saying you know Mr

23:11

Gorbachev turn on this while So yeah,

23:15

So let me let me ask you this sub. Or

23:18

the a really that many.

23:22

Soft. Let's say in a

23:24

quorum called soft Republicans them the

23:26

moderates, the ones that that there

23:28

is it a chance for them

23:31

to to carry over should my

23:33

listeners. Be. Hopeful that the

23:35

Lincoln Project can wrangle enough over

23:37

to our side to make a

23:39

difference to how we elect present

23:42

Vida Y think it's really two

23:44

step process. So the first step

23:46

is. To. Ten. Remember that this

23:48

goes back to Twenty Twenty as well is.

23:51

The. First thing we're asking these people to do.

23:54

right? Is to stay away from trump. Don't

23:56

vote. Don't go back to Him. Republicans.

23:58

Want go back to the nest? right? Democrats

24:01

fall in love. Republicans fall in line. It's

24:03

old trope. It tends to work out farm

24:05

with the first thing we're asking these people's

24:07

look, you did You voted for him and

24:09

twenty sixteen because you couldn't vote for Hillary.

24:12

That's. Settled law at this point.

24:14

Rights as you put it on. Twenty

24:16

Twenty, You know? Either

24:18

voted for biden or you

24:20

stayed home. Okay. Let's

24:23

talk about those voters that might stay

24:25

home. Remember that in the state of

24:28

Wisconsin and twenty twenty fifty thousand republicans

24:30

who could have pulled the lever for

24:32

Trump didn't They voted down the ballot,

24:35

but they didn't vote for President. I'll

24:37

take it all day. right?

24:39

Trump can't survive and under

24:41

vote. I believe that his

24:43

coalition now. Is. Smaller.

24:46

Older. Whiter. More.

24:48

Male a more extreme than it certainly was

24:50

eight years ago. that it is for years

24:53

ago so see. Can't afford to lose anybody.

24:55

So we're fine. and those folks on the edge

24:57

of the republican coalition at. We're

25:00

not asking you to do anything. We're

25:02

not asking you to violate your political

25:04

beliefs. Are your political socialization? All we're

25:06

asking you to do is not vote

25:08

for somebody who you're already don't like.

25:11

You. Know then once we've gotten them to that

25:13

way station the next and we do a

25:15

lot of research which is much smarter than

25:17

I am. Let's be clear about that. armed

25:19

with people much smarter than I am. In

25:23

the next step is okay. Now that

25:25

we've gotten these people off the Republican

25:27

Island, how can we get them from

25:29

the lifeboat? To Joe Biden one more

25:32

time and say, look, We're

25:34

not asking you to believe in any crazy

25:36

progressivism and understand that like are not speaking

25:38

to your voters is crazy progressive. I'm talking

25:40

I'm are your listeners I'm I'm talking to

25:42

These people are us. We're not asking you

25:44

to believe in any crazy progressive stuff. We're.

25:47

Not asking you to believe in a

25:49

O Sea or Bernie Sanders, We're not

25:51

even asking you to necessarily believe the

25:53

Joe Biden. So the end all beal.

25:55

What we're saying is Joe Biden is

25:57

a good person, is a decent man,

26:00

He's a good American would she gets

26:02

up in the morning. Rights.

26:04

He's thinking about the best interests of

26:06

the United States in every man, woman,

26:08

and child in it. She is Not

26:11

waking up in the morning going. What?

26:13

Am I gonna wear to court? How

26:15

am I going to make potent happy today?

26:17

What is it that I'm gonna do to

26:19

create outrage such that I keep myself in

26:22

the middle of the news? We're just asking

26:24

you to hold your nose if that's what

26:26

it takes and vote for the decent option.

26:28

Look in. Here's the thing. Yes, the

26:31

question about are there enough? There are enough. And.

26:34

We don't need that many,

26:36

right? I mean, think about

26:38

Georgia. Eleven thousand votes Arizona

26:40

with Twelve thousand votes Michigan,

26:42

Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. These are not

26:44

widespread if you can get.

26:46

A percentage of a percentage of

26:49

voter republican voters just to stay

26:51

home. Biden. Wins in a

26:53

walk if you can convince. Some.

26:55

Of them to stay home and some of them to

26:57

cross the line for the president. You

26:59

know it could be a he, could

27:01

be just a blow out and here's

27:03

is just one speaking with. This is

27:06

that Trump's. Ceiling. Electoral Ceiling

27:08

I believe nationally is somewhere like forty

27:10

six percent. When it all comes down

27:12

with people really start paying attention. Even.

27:15

With you know, and Rfk, Junior, Jill

27:18

Stein or Cornell West or whatever like.

27:21

Trump can't Even with all their help and

27:23

all the Russians do it, you know, all

27:25

their craziness. Trump only gets to forty six

27:27

like he loses. right? All the

27:29

help and the world can't help but

27:31

he can't fix him at that point.

27:34

She's not gonna be better. Between now

27:36

and November he's going to be worse

27:38

and I think we're already things I

27:40

don't want to get him to that

27:42

the the finer points of Donald Trump's

27:44

latest cortex. All I'm saying is him

27:46

sitting in that courtroom day in and

27:48

day out has a material effect on

27:50

his campaign. Because there's only to find

27:52

out things in a campaign, a candidates

27:54

time and money and their directly tied

27:56

to one another. He can't be

27:58

out in the target states. They don't

28:00

have the money to be advertising. Arm.

28:03

In, it's gonna have an effect on his mental state

28:05

because he's. Like a do you look enemies a

28:07

caged animal. And so

28:09

I think that that's to me why the

28:11

the court case matters. Not because I mean

28:13

everybody knows you paid off Stormy Daniels Like

28:16

that's not a question. I'm so

28:18

I don't think individual voters necessarily care when

28:20

where the other, but it does have a

28:22

material effect on his ability to actually run

28:24

for president. Yeah and

28:26

I do actually do want to come

28:29

back to. That holds

28:31

the court. the. The

28:34

trial It's going on right

28:36

now. But before I leave

28:38

this subject here, I want

28:40

to go back to what

28:42

she said earlier about his

28:44

shrinking is steadily shrinking days

28:46

and I'll never forget the

28:48

day that he told Nikki

28:50

Haley donors we don't Once

28:52

you and I was like

28:54

holy shit. What

28:57

is this maniac do is add me

28:59

and like a lot of political pro

29:02

but you know I mean. I

29:04

saw that my son, what what

29:06

a tight panics unforced error was.

29:08

You need to grow. I understand

29:10

the whole thing was when you're

29:12

in the primary, you know that's

29:14

when you wanted. Kills all

29:17

the way you know, to the far

29:19

right of far left Vienna to shore

29:21

up your base. but he was already

29:23

beyond that. I'd write this decent that

29:25

a. D. D since he's

29:28

suffering from that string kids for shirt. well

29:30

I mean shrinkage I think has always been

29:32

a problem for him, but for sure I

29:35

think it's I think it absolutely has a

29:37

me look. We're. Now at least

29:39

I don't I don't know the exact day,

29:41

but world least. Six.

29:43

Weeks away for six weeks passed when

29:45

Nikki Haley got out of the race.

29:48

right? After Super Tuesday the first week of March,

29:51

She hasn't endorsed him. She. Might

29:53

never endorse. right? And

29:55

and so what you're gonna have

29:57

I think is this comes on his

29:59

I'd. Well Haley go out and campaign

30:01

against them. I don't know. I doubt

30:03

it if she did at be a

30:06

both impressed, amazed and appreciative but those

30:08

same voters that little you know that

30:10

pulled the lever for her. Are

30:12

looking for that old style Republican party and

30:14

and again I'm not asking. You already have

30:16

your listeners to say oh yeah, no I

30:18

get it. I'm I'm saying like intellectually. The.

30:21

Party of George W Bush, The Party of

30:23

John Mccain, The Party of Mitt Romney. I'm

30:25

not making a value judgement on any of

30:27

them, although I worked for two of them.

30:29

Is that. The. Old Republican party

30:31

they could feel good about. They don't

30:33

feel good about their party now because

30:35

it'll feel good about Trump, right? it

30:37

is. It's It's enough already. If you

30:39

have someone like the list Cheney. And

30:42

Adam Kinsey Or. Or. These

30:44

individual Republican leaders like a

30:46

Rusty Bowers, the former Speaker

30:48

of the Arizona State House

30:50

out there not necessarily saying

30:52

vote for Joe Biden, said

30:54

do Not Vote for Donald

30:56

Trump's that has a massive.

30:59

You know of attrition effect of that's

31:02

a word or expressions you know on

31:04

his ability to get those people and

31:06

see your point. He's saying

31:08

Nikki Haley donors, I don't want your and he's

31:10

telling Rhinos. I guess I would still code or

31:12

I know is a voter We don't want you

31:14

either One: Where the hell's he going to get

31:17

his votes? right? I mean,

31:19

and so what's gonna happen here? I

31:21

talked to reporter a few weeks ago. Like.

31:24

They have very smart people and likely

31:26

christian evangelical movement trying to figure out

31:28

how many voters they need to guess

31:30

they need to boast boost excuse me

31:33

white christian evangelical voter turnout by seven

31:35

percent for Trump to even have a

31:37

chance. That's their number of you can

31:39

think they're kooks and they're nuts. And

31:41

I do. But like Steve Bannon, these

31:44

people are not done. These people are

31:46

not stupid. We shouldn't underestimate their ability

31:48

to do math and raise money right.

31:50

They have that. But. Seven

31:52

percent amongst s Seven percent Amongst

31:55

a covert you are already getting

31:57

Ninety one percent of right is

31:59

with. Your hard math. So

32:02

what I would say is this is a this

32:04

in this is where she's in this rock and

32:06

a hard place which is she's got. People.

32:09

Like I used to be. you know and

32:11

I'm gonna you use left and right as

32:13

it's easy way to describe it's going out

32:15

A really wanting to do with this guy.

32:17

Some will vote for him because they're republicans

32:19

and he's the republican in there will be

32:21

a campaign but on the other side on

32:23

his right she has these. He's got mega

32:25

and the christian nationalists. Like. In

32:27

can't get too far afield from them

32:29

because as you saw was like the

32:31

Arizona you know, supreme court thing going

32:33

back to us. eighteen sixty four for

32:35

dummies. Just the mean. Insanity.

32:38

right? Trump knows he's in

32:40

trouble on that issue, just going back

32:42

to her. Talked about with Dobbs B

32:44

C Take it too far out ahead

32:46

of it. That's why he's like calling

32:48

on you know, the governor, a democratic

32:50

governor and the republicans in the state

32:52

legislature who have already take twice I

32:54

think the ability to try and get

32:56

rid of this state supreme court decision.

32:58

She knows he's in trouble busy, take

33:00

it too far afield because. Here's

33:03

the thing about maggots in the Christian

33:05

Evangelicals. They

33:08

don't like anybody else. And

33:10

if they believe that Trump has turned on

33:13

them, it's not to say all of them.

33:15

Will. Stay Home or even most of them

33:17

will stay home. But a few of them

33:19

say you know what Sees just like the

33:21

rest of Unama I hate the rest of

33:24

them to the carbs him out to so

33:26

sees in a very difficult electoral position and

33:28

let's be clear he put himself with right

33:30

the in we should. As a young I

33:33

think it's important. If. In I promise I'll

33:35

shut up after this. All of the

33:37

bad things that happened to Donald Trump. Or

33:40

distinctly and directly because of

33:42

his own behavior. None.

33:44

Of these things happen to

33:46

him, he does them any,

33:48

suffers the repercussions. right?

33:50

She's not of victim. He's. The

33:52

victimizer. One a chance to go

33:55

to the most as feeling game in town

33:57

Pepper is giving away for to the games

33:59

and running. Image Editor Twenty

34:01

Fifth or Twenty second It matters is

34:03

sweet. Enough, I'm lucky winners will be

34:05

invited to the top. The party sucks

34:08

to view the game with high food

34:10

and beverages. The time is right to

34:12

answer for your chance to win a

34:14

proper Near you or Dr. Pepper baseball.

34:16

Zoc sets are Pepper baseball.com and fill

34:18

out the entry form. Some is your

34:20

chance to take. Your. Bones to a

34:23

game answer today. So I I

34:25

literally just saw him about ten

34:27

minutes ago. he just left courts

34:29

and he was be seen in

34:32

whining about Iran is kind of

34:34

funny as of lube did revelry

34:36

little bit in his sorrow separate

34:39

is complaining that's you know he's

34:41

stuck in courts all day long

34:43

while I'm while Joe Biden is

34:45

out there campaigning. and really this

34:48

is his his own goddamn for

34:50

Rang. Of. I.

34:53

Wonder if. So

34:55

is his of. His appearance

34:57

over the past week is swans

34:59

sleeping in Florida and smarting in

35:01

you know the whining stuff is

35:03

T V Veneer of invincibility of

35:06

our fitness seems to be have

35:08

to seem to be sailing him

35:10

right now is is buffering right

35:12

now. What do you think that

35:15

does to to hit did it's

35:17

or his his his base with

35:19

him no matter what no matter

35:21

how weak and sappy he he

35:24

appears what I this you you're.

35:26

making a brilliant. Point.

35:29

And. A brilliant point when it comes

35:31

to the leaders of authoritarian movements.

35:34

And. You, you just hit the nail

35:36

on the head when they're invincibility is

35:38

pierced. It's only

35:40

a matter of time you know to to

35:42

use a bad balloon analogy: whether or not

35:45

the blue pops all at once or it's

35:47

a slow leak. Either way, the balloon empties

35:49

out. I think you're absolutely right. Look again,

35:51

I don't think most voters you know, really

35:53

care one way or the other. This is

35:55

again, sort of a settled case in or

35:57

in some ways like he did. These things.

36:00

But falling asleep. Why?

36:03

Does falling asleep matter? Okay, it makes

36:05

democrats happy because it makes him look

36:07

old, in enfeebled and everything else. And

36:09

is those things I learned. He also

36:12

was battering Joe Biden with the whole

36:14

sleeping Joe thing of right. That's exactly

36:16

my point. So it takes away that

36:19

strategic pillar of his campaign of saying

36:21

Biden is not up for the job.

36:23

Then you know you get the farting

36:25

saying which again is more ridicule. But

36:28

then he was complaining. had an offer

36:30

was today or yesterday about how the.

36:32

Courtroom is freezing. Oh. People:

36:34

somebody get papa cardigan. right?

36:37

Lights. Rights, Somebody get

36:39

him as a nits you know, a blanket

36:41

to put over his lap so his legs

36:43

don't get colds right? And so. And

36:46

then it's just. You. Know

36:48

it like is the reverend like a

36:50

museum or any kind of you know

36:52

thing where there's a lot of information.

36:54

Being. Built Yeah. There's.

36:57

Only so it's It's like you get. The first forty

36:59

five minutes and in your brains for after

37:01

on minute forty six who knows what the

37:03

hell you looked at right? Unless it was

37:05

like the Mona Lisa that are sorta like

37:07

always other Mona lisa. but. You.

37:09

Know how much of this. Like

37:11

for Trump supporters. Hardcore.

37:14

Trump's supporters are even sort of marginal.

37:16

Trump supporters are so much more of

37:18

the bitching and moaning do they have

37:21

you know capacity for before. It's. Like it

37:23

just sort of bounces up because the cellular

37:25

wall is full. There's. Not There's no more.

37:27

There's no more opportunity for the stuff to get in.

37:30

And so you know I, I, I,

37:32

You know I use this expression and

37:34

I decided I used the wrong singer.

37:36

right? I was I First I said

37:38

like he's like Frank Sinatra sing in

37:40

the hits. He's not Frank Sinatra's more

37:42

like Mel Torme or take any old

37:44

crooner right, they can't hit the notes

37:46

anymore. These sing less songs every two

37:48

or. Right? Because because they can

37:50

only remember the words and you know people

37:53

want to hear the hits, What trump like

37:55

to hit the hit? You know he doesn't

37:57

have anything new. There's nothing new for his

37:59

p. And here is where

38:01

she was always at his best

38:03

and she was brilliant in his

38:06

time. She. Could always shock.

38:08

right? He was gonna put on the show

38:10

he was gonna say and do things no

38:12

one had ever had, ever had. And

38:15

he still doing. Those things. But she's so

38:17

far on and on the edge now.

38:19

he's gotta talk about Vermin. right?

38:22

In Vienna N and use all these

38:24

hallmarks be you know linguistically of you

38:26

know fascists and of for a Hitler

38:28

and authoritarian you know the world around

38:30

so he is he So and then

38:32

you tube there you have more Republicans

38:35

like I used to be doing what

38:37

I'll call actually my neighbor. Turn.

38:39

Me on this called the Mirror Test. You gotta look

38:41

at yourself in the mirror and say is this the

38:43

guy I want to sit at the table with and

38:46

I think there's going to be more and more. You

38:48

know voters? Whether or not the Republicans are

38:50

conservative leaning, Independents are people who just sort

38:53

of, you know any establishment or like I

38:55

want somebody shake it up once in a

38:57

snuff already? Is that enough? Speaking

38:59

of enough it but

39:02

is is that the

39:04

contrast of his overall

39:07

shitting is enough to

39:09

overcome the perception. Of.

39:13

Jill Biden Age is really. I mean.

39:16

I. Said that appears to me to

39:18

be the biggest complaints that that

39:20

I year and I'm sorry he

39:22

can't not be all for You

39:24

know he's He's who he is,

39:26

you know? And. But

39:30

is the the juxtaposition

39:32

of Donald Trump's ninety

39:34

one felony counts in

39:36

his and his January

39:38

Six saying and his

39:40

extremism in facism rose?

39:42

All of that horrible

39:44

enough to make. Folks

39:46

that we're trying to peel away,

39:49

you know, pull the lever for

39:51

President Biden. Ah, you know.

39:53

So here's here's what I would say. Is

39:56

I interviewed Dining Mondale Jackson.

39:59

Ah, last. Ah for

40:01

the Lincoln Project podcast and I think

40:03

the the interview just drop today and

40:05

she's from our infield North Carolina. he's

40:07

mayor their he's born and raised their

40:09

arm and he said something really interesting.

40:11

For. At it really depends on

40:14

the the voter. Or. The Group

40:16

of Voters. So you know he he

40:18

runs something called the Blackmun's Voter Project.

40:21

Registering African American men. Arm.

40:25

And he said don't come to me with how bad

40:27

think this. right? I get, we

40:29

get. right? The.

40:31

Question is not gonna be whether or not

40:34

Donald Trump is bad, but what is Joe

40:36

Biden? Represent. And

40:38

what does his presidency represent

40:40

going forward? And I

40:42

think that's a really important question. And

40:44

I think it's an important question that

40:47

the President himself will have to continue

40:49

to look at and his campaign and

40:51

his administration will have to take account

40:54

for. Our make account for

40:56

I should say which is we all

40:58

know Trump's an asshole. That's

41:00

not new news like I used

41:02

to call this the discount rate,

41:04

which was the difference between how

41:06

a candidate was perceived and when

41:09

something bad happened. You know, what

41:11

was the distance? Trump's been a

41:13

terrible human being in public for

41:15

fifty frickin' years, right? There's no

41:17

like. All. The stuff that he

41:19

does it is not a surprise because

41:21

is always been terrible. So now Biden

41:23

has to say it's not enough for

41:25

real bind to say. You. Know.

41:28

Yes, democracy matters him. with a lot

41:30

of voters, that will matter, But. It's.

41:33

More gonna be if if again it's in

41:35

probably so many of the the listeners you

41:37

have been so many of to meet the

41:39

communities you know if democracy has never worked

41:41

for you. Is. Democracy gonna be

41:44

see issue that gets either the polls. And

41:46

I would venture to say the answer is no. So.

41:49

Then what's the case you're making for

41:51

a Joe Biden presidency? It's not enough

41:53

you have. It might be enough to

41:55

make it simply a referendum on Trump.

41:58

It very well might be. But

42:00

if you are the President, added states

42:02

and you have the White House and

42:05

all of the assets of the Federal

42:07

government's and a couple of billion dollars,

42:09

why wouldn't you spend some time talking

42:12

about what comes next? right?

42:14

Because. The. Here's what I would say.

42:17

And you can make this about trump if you want

42:19

or you can make it about your biden if you

42:21

I think is better ideas. If you care about the

42:23

things you care about, name your issue. The.

42:25

Environment. Or unemployment

42:27

for minority communities. Right?

42:30

Which you with? You know, in

42:32

Mondale's neighborhood eighteen percent unemployment for

42:34

black men in the county he lives

42:36

in, right? That's and boom, you

42:38

bubble! He added, behave as high

42:40

Yeah, this is higher than the national

42:42

average average down around five percent, right?

42:44

And if eight, it look as if

42:46

the unemployment rate was eighteen percent. For

42:48

white guys with their be blood in

42:50

the streets drive me to be. it

42:52

could be a cataclysm, but so you

42:54

have the opportunity to make the case

42:57

for the future. Which I know sounds

42:59

ironic because it's Joe Biden. so it's

43:01

gotta be about what's your biden is

43:03

for. Not necessarily about food.

43:05

Joe Biden is preside. think that's also

43:07

inculcated. He is a yeah, he's old,

43:09

but he's also fundamentally decent. right?

43:12

I mean, think about Joe Biden family likes

43:14

to spend time around him. right?

43:16

Yes! Donald something good

43:18

and family members shop to his court. Right

43:21

arm and so I think it

43:23

has to be about not transactional

43:25

nature and a given. this goes

43:27

back to the idea of the

43:29

diverse seen values in policy. What?

43:31

It what are the values that the Joe

43:34

Biden a spouses and why is that better

43:36

for America than what that than what Donald

43:38

Trump espouses. Because again if you care about

43:40

the environment, if you care about jobs, if

43:43

you care about healthcare all those things. Those

43:45

things are own. You can either have

43:47

those arguments with Donald Trump as President

43:50

because he doesn't right here right? right?

43:52

They all their only possible with Biden

43:54

back in the White House. Or I'll

43:56

tell you what when you ask what

43:58

what does Joe Biden care about I

44:00

say go back to when he goes

44:02

back to almost every time I think

44:04

this is sweet spot. He likes to

44:06

talk about how he sad it's a

44:08

table with his dad when he was

44:10

young and his and his dad said

44:12

don't worry honey everything is gonna be

44:15

alright threat you know and I go

44:17

back to the like. See is that

44:19

guy that reaches you you know if

44:21

your if your father, if you're you

44:23

know if if you're trying to reassure

44:25

your family that everything is gonna be

44:27

alright even the things are kind of

44:29

tight like. He's he's that guy. He's the

44:31

guy who who took the Amtrak that sits

44:34

the train every do her work even though

44:36

he didn't have to rub. So.

44:39

So. I think. The

44:42

way passages himself is

44:44

just as Joe. You.

44:47

Know like of. These

44:49

two said guy who who gives

44:51

a shit about whether or not

44:54

you're able to afford putting food

44:56

on your table and you know,

44:58

pay your electric bill and. You

45:01

don't see past the lot of things

45:04

that have helped the American people like

45:06

with the insolence and being kept a

45:08

thirty five thousand months does. it's me.

45:11

You. Know, I just learned last year that

45:13

I'm diabetic. So that's that's actually that

45:15

is a thing that hits my wallet

45:17

and I'm very grateful for. I.

45:19

Want to ask you about. About

45:23

Robert desk had a junior because

45:25

the So I don't have access

45:27

to polls and data up and

45:29

I know you know it depends

45:31

on who you're asking, who you're

45:34

calling and with what what polling

45:36

companies doing the work and I

45:38

try to stay away from polls

45:40

as much as possible. Gonna want

45:42

to freak outs too early enough,

45:44

but I've seen some polls that

45:46

worries me a little bit. You

45:49

know they show like a head

45:51

to head. Biden. Against

45:53

Trump is biden is okay to head

45:55

to head but when you break it

45:57

into a three way race and you.

46:00

Though Rfk Junior in their

46:02

dads Time and Money is

46:04

a picture a little bit

46:06

said. we'd be concerned it's

46:08

is about our If T

46:10

Juniors. Involvement: who's

46:12

he pulling from see pulling from biden

46:14

is he points and trump would what's

46:16

the deal? So a couple are things

46:19

I think he probably is pulling a

46:21

little bit. Evenly right now

46:23

some, but I think a lot of

46:25

that his name Id. Ah, I.

46:28

See some of it might be younger

46:30

voters who you know have been told

46:33

that he's really good on the environment

46:35

arm. It might be what I call

46:37

Marine County. Mom's right, who are may

46:39

be group mom's right there. The people

46:42

who have believed for twenty years that

46:44

autism is caused by vaccines. When there's.

46:47

Absolutely no evidence. To

46:49

support that. Ah, I'm right. they tend

46:51

to be wealthy, they tend to be

46:53

white, but they also tend to congregate

46:55

like and malibu right? like? It's not

46:57

that there's not a lot of them,

47:00

probably in in. The

47:02

other? probably not a lot of them in suburban

47:04

A walkie? there's might be a few, but not

47:06

a ton of. So. N

47:09

N I think that see has. You.

47:12

Know there's a lot. Look a lot of

47:14

Americans are unhappy with the idea that they're

47:16

getting by than Trump again. I get it.

47:18

right? If I had my druthers like

47:21

we'd have thought we'd be in a different

47:23

place altogether. But we're not. Ah, I.

47:25

See fit in I wrote about this

47:28

on my sub sector homefront. You can

47:30

find it is that I think that,

47:32

but the charity ultimately hurts Trump more.

47:35

See as a truck plant. I will. I

47:37

firmly believe that now I don't. I don't

47:39

have evidence of phone calls or emails or

47:41

anything like that, but there's enough pictures of

47:44

him with people like Roger Stone and sea

47:46

bed. It's like, okay, That.

47:50

says. Belief

47:52

System. Does. Not align

47:55

with. The Democratic Party

47:57

of Today. And. It doesn't

47:59

align. With most and otherwise normal

48:02

human beings, it aligns almost

48:04

perfectly with Donald Trump. Actually,

48:07

it's even, in some ways,

48:09

wackier than Donald Trump. He's

48:11

anti vax, right? sees you.

48:13

Notes: He's pro Russia. or

48:15

at least V you know

48:17

he's he's He's not pro

48:19

Ukraine. She loves conspiracy theories.

48:22

Arm. You know he he said you

48:24

know crazy things about the jews and the

48:26

Chinese being a mirror in front and and

48:28

it's ensues. Where are you know he talked

48:31

about he looked. He. Said he thinks

48:33

he wants to put the American budget, the

48:35

Us budget, the Federal budget on block chain.

48:37

Now all of you what that means, right?

48:40

But here's what I know. You know who?

48:42

the only people that care about the block

48:44

chain like a bunch of crypto fascist weirdos.

48:46

Normal human beings like, don't know what that

48:48

is. I know more about it because I've

48:50

read about it, but I'm also not a

48:52

normal human being, has been too much time

48:54

doing this crap. So like. I.

48:56

Think that the in an adult there's

48:59

another cohort that I think could be

49:01

very damaging to and their what I

49:03

call the su white guy. Very

49:06

my friends. They are

49:08

suburban, white educated, upper

49:11

income. Their

49:13

kids if they're at home, go to good schools

49:15

or private schools if they're.the house they go to

49:17

college, They. Are successful. Life

49:20

has been good to them. They

49:22

saw. Having

49:25

to get vaccinated as the civil

49:27

rights crisis of their time. It

49:29

was the first time in their lives know shit.

49:32

Was. The first time in their lives where

49:34

the Eight ever had to do something they

49:36

didn't want to do because somebody told them

49:39

they had to. Write they don't

49:41

Maybe they probably voted for Trump and

49:43

sixteen? maybe they even voted for him

49:45

and twenties. but they've always known as

49:47

a goon. They've. Always known he's

49:49

a eat your analyses an idiot. Been

49:51

in he's He's not an intellectual buddies.

49:53

the he's is intelligent in his own

49:55

sort of lizard like way. But.

49:59

Kennedy gives. Them and off ramp. They.

50:01

Don't like Biden because he's

50:03

establishment. And. You know the

50:05

in in in you know she's pro cdc

50:07

and you know they don't like. They.

50:10

Don't like Ukraine. They don't like Russia

50:12

but they think Ukraine's in else take

50:14

these are guys and or have you

50:16

ever heard they listen to this all

50:18

when podcast by these you know, you

50:20

know tech. The Silicon Valley guys are

50:22

all worth a good jillion dollars. They

50:24

talk about their whiskey collections and getting

50:27

married and battalion villas right Like it's

50:29

all like. In I can't even say

50:31

the actually living use the expression on your air was

50:33

does not family friendly but the point is. It's

50:36

it's a circle jerk right? It's a gets

50:38

mental masturbation and they they would like they

50:40

have everything in the world but they want

50:42

that next level up. But. It

50:44

also causes them to hate everybody.

50:47

Or in And I have a lot

50:49

of friends like this, right? Which is

50:51

really disappointing on several levels. And so

50:53

I think that there's this big group

50:55

a white guys who won't vote for

50:57

Biden, who might have voted for Trump.

51:00

But. If they're not a big to say they

51:02

can't vote for Trump entity still around which I

51:04

think is only a fifty fifty proposition. Then.

51:07

I think they to go to charity and these are

51:09

not voters that Biden was ever going to get any

51:11

way. right? So that's a long,

51:13

long way of saying. I think at the

51:15

end of the day. I'm. Kennedy

51:18

hurts Trump more. and as you're already starting

51:20

to see this right, which is, I think

51:22

Trump even said I think he might hurt

51:25

both of us equally. There's a lot of

51:27

Trump donors who are going to Kennedy. And.

51:30

I. Know the guys and gals

51:32

that run Trump's campaign. I

51:34

think this is one of those where they

51:37

they had this grand idea and like so

51:39

many things once the monster got out of

51:41

the cage the it just went and did

51:43

what it was going to do in. Here's

51:45

the other parts and I've heard this from

51:47

on very good authority. Kennedy.

51:49

Never would have run for president but for

51:52

the fact that Trump did in one. Because.

51:55

As I understand it, Earlier

51:57

in life he always had these aspiration

51:59

the given his checkered past never thought

52:01

he could get away with. It but.

52:04

Once Trump got elected is like what

52:06

the hell. Rice. Anybody

52:08

could be President literally at this point.

52:10

so I'm so yeah. That's a long

52:13

way of saying I've been, so they

52:15

probably wanted him as a stalking horse

52:17

to peel democrats off. I think it

52:19

will be surprising if you see the

52:21

Trump people start to go after him

52:23

and a pretty big hurry. Because.

52:27

Again, as is, if you believe that

52:29

his ceiling is Trump Ceilings Forty Six

52:31

and a ghost of Forty Four Because

52:33

Kennedy takes eight percent of the nut

52:35

general election vote, in six percent of

52:37

it comes out of Trump. Is

52:40

Premier Crushes. That crushes Trump

52:43

and the longer Bobby goes into this

52:45

and let's say an elite be really nerdy

52:47

for you. Let's say he picks up

52:49

Secret Service protection. What does that mean?

52:51

Okay, was that guys and gals with guns

52:53

around you also get a motorcade. You

52:55

get the trappings of power. That's.

52:57

Something. I've seen it up close like I've

52:59

lived this. Those. Candidates they love

53:02

it. Who wouldn't write your transported

53:04

around and I'm limousine and you

53:06

got a bit S U V

53:08

with guys full of terms. Behind.

53:11

Your Youtube that cops and lights and sirens

53:13

and all this you know you know, tail

53:15

and Syrian everything else and either you be

53:17

like are a given this up. I

53:20

don't care what Trump says. So.

53:22

I say to you know if he makes it.

53:25

To November. I think my gut

53:27

says he'll hurt Trump more. Said

53:30

he said if he makes you think is

53:32

is a chance that he might pull out.

53:35

As I say that only because here's

53:37

the other. part. Two is you know

53:39

she's written. Kennedy is resilient. Fum. He's

53:41

been through a lot. He's done a

53:43

lot about to himself and to others

53:45

over the years. Here he is arms,

53:47

he still got some residual magnetism for

53:49

people. On. But he's never

53:51

been tested like this. There's

53:54

a great book by a guy named

53:56

Richard Been Kramer Ah, called what it

53:58

Takes about the Nineteen Eighty. Hm. A

54:00

give you a sense of how long Joe Biden is

54:02

been around. Joe Biden is a big part of this

54:04

book. Arm. And ultimately,

54:06

what it takes is the ability

54:09

to things. The ability to withstand

54:11

things that no one else can

54:13

withstand. And. The.

54:15

Willingness to do the same to win the

54:17

other guy won't. And. I

54:20

think that. Kennedy.

54:23

Might have the the willingness to do

54:25

the thing. The other guy whoop. We

54:27

haven't seen whether or not he can

54:29

withstand things that other people can't and

54:31

that's really. it's a gauntlet. It's the

54:33

most trying. Political. Task

54:36

Humanities ever created. It's not combat.

54:39

It's not. Torture. It's

54:41

not prison, it is it. But

54:43

it is a very long slog.

54:46

And. You know we're a long way.

54:48

You know in some ways you know the

54:50

election. I'll be here tomorrow. But if you're

54:52

that Canada day in and day out there

54:54

is a long slog and you know it

54:56

remains to be seen. Whether or not he

54:58

and his in you know on known V

55:00

P candidate are prepared to deal with what's

55:03

gonna come their way because there will be

55:05

no punches pulled from either side. Ultimately, both

55:07

democrats and Republicans will do everything they can

55:09

destroy. Them. As and safely

55:11

absences because he's not even

55:13

on the ballot in a

55:16

bunch states like still wouldn't

55:18

sit and even get what

55:21

his endgame is. aside from

55:23

trying to deny President Biden

55:26

the number. Of. Electoral

55:28

votes that needs to get to to seventy.

55:30

Outside of that, what a what else is

55:33

he playing for right? Dad.

55:35

And. He can't

55:37

win a plurality. Yeah, surf's up

55:39

This anyway. Speaking of us of

55:41

nut cases historically, Mia, let me

55:44

switch gears briefly and jump on

55:46

to us. Tucker Carlson's most recent

55:48

appearance on Joe Rogan podcast where

55:51

he asserted that the theory of

55:53

evolution has been proven small and

55:55

that you know supernatural beings in

55:57

the ocean are killing people. A

56:00

if it is just lost his

56:02

mind at this point and believes

56:04

the nonsense that he spews or

56:07

does he know what he's saying

56:09

is total bullshit but he has

56:11

a captive audience Soon he just

56:13

loves conspiracy hands of catering towards

56:16

audience. What What is up with

56:18

Tucker Carlson? He like dummy. I

56:21

think he's guy thinks he is to

56:23

use our and old literary reference I

56:25

think he is Alice and has stepped

56:27

through the looking glass into wonderland and

56:29

I think he lives there full time.

56:31

I mean this is also a guy

56:33

who thinks that like tanning your balls

56:35

was like a good thing right? Like

56:37

this is somehow healthy so I think

56:39

he's lost it. By. The he's

56:41

completely lost it. I

56:43

think that you know this is a mean. Who

56:45

who's with it? Who goes to Russia

56:47

to interview Vladimir Putin? right? you through

56:50

whatever channels he had to to get

56:52

that done and then has Vladimir Putin

56:54

bad him around like you know, a

56:56

sick puppy for half an hour right?

56:58

and then comes home in says what

57:00

a great thing it is. I mean

57:02

I just I, you know, look. There's.

57:06

There's this story. Answer Rupert Murdoch right?

57:08

He owns Fox News Runes new was

57:10

engaged to this woman. And

57:13

I don't remember her name and or I

57:15

think with some time last year. So he

57:17

invites. I think this is before he fired

57:20

for us and so he invites Carlson out

57:22

to dinner. You know it is home with

57:24

his fiance and his fiance and Carlson are

57:26

talking about all sorts of like really strange

57:29

esoteric. Very frenzy Catholic

57:31

stuff. In it So

57:33

freaked out Murdoch. The Murdoch broke

57:36

off the engagement courses like I'm

57:38

not doing that. Ah yes. so.

57:41

I'm. I. Think I think he. Has

57:43

crossed over one hundred percent. I don't think it's

57:45

an act anymore. I think he really believes. There

57:48

was there was some talked about. our

57:51

and I don't know if saw

57:54

how add to this was for

57:56

those talk about the possibility of

57:58

Tucker Carlson being. Donald

58:00

Trump's running mate? Have likely? Do you

58:02

think that is? Zero.

58:05

I renewed Carlson's to big name and

58:08

his own right. And he would. He

58:10

would. Either by accident or on

58:12

purpose do things the without showing Trump and Trump

58:14

can't have that. Would

58:16

you say? would you. Say

58:19

the same thing applies

58:21

to hypothetically. What

58:24

is? Is there? a possibility

58:26

that. Are if

58:28

King Jr my team up with

58:31

or with Trump as his as

58:33

as his running mate. Since

58:35

he's since he seems to be,

58:37

you know, ideologically more aligned with

58:40

Trump then with Biden. Sir.

58:43

I could see it. I don't think is

58:45

Lexi, but I could absolutely see it. You

58:47

know, if there's one thing Trump likes, it's.

58:50

Famous people and fancy names and all that,

58:52

and certainly Kennedy has that arm. and I

58:54

think that. Bobby is

58:56

probably you know, self loathing enough to be

58:58

able you know. Be willing to bet bow

59:00

down to Trump at every occasion to that

59:03

will be a necessary thing. Ah, I'm a

59:05

social. I could see a. Bottle.

59:08

That is likely by yeah, I mean whoever,

59:10

it's gonna be okay. We should always remember.

59:12

Whoever. It's gonna be has to accept the

59:14

fact that Trump tried to kill the last guy

59:16

with the job. For.

59:20

A victim of. Like

59:22

really, that's the job you want. Smoker.

59:25

You seem too easy really do seem to have

59:27

your finger on the pulse of what's happening I

59:30

was I want to get don't want to pick

59:32

your brain, I want to see through. Who do

59:34

you think. Who you

59:36

think is his most

59:39

likely vice presidential candidate?

59:42

Why? You know? For a long time I thought it would

59:44

be. Ah, Kristi Noem from

59:46

South Dakota, right? she's now. She's

59:48

now gone full magnified. As far

59:50

as her look is concerned, she's

59:52

got the hair extensions, he's got,

59:54

the giant teeth says get the

59:56

fingernails, arms got the to tan

59:58

and that's just as. Derek i'm

1:00:00

any likes that stuff, right? That's what

1:00:02

sort of what he's looking for. He

1:00:05

also would fire up. The. Base See

1:00:07

what I should say? She would fire up.

1:00:09

The base of the problem is is that

1:00:11

that what they're seeing is either you saw

1:00:14

that he. They're desperate to try and figure

1:00:16

out how to get somebody on the ticket.

1:00:18

That sort of softens the whole abortion peace.

1:00:20

And she certainly isn't gonna do that. And

1:00:23

frankly again, I'm not sure who they could

1:00:25

choose at this point. Who's gonna do that?

1:00:27

I mean, If. He were

1:00:29

a different candidates he would have said.

1:00:31

you know. Nikki. Haley and I

1:00:34

had a really rough primary which they really

1:00:36

didn't but you know, but I'm going to

1:00:38

choose her. I'm A. I'm not sure

1:00:40

she would do it and be. I'm not sure

1:00:42

he could ever chooser. Ah, Or

1:00:44

would choose her because. You

1:00:46

know she's she's She's already been

1:00:49

willing to. Cross. Him in

1:00:51

cross him in such a public way again.

1:00:53

it would be a smart move, but I'm

1:00:55

not sure Haley could go along with all

1:00:57

the craziness that he said. In. Good

1:00:59

conscience Now maybe she has no conscious. I'm

1:01:01

not I. I'm glad says and are you?

1:01:03

I don't think she is either. I'm glad

1:01:05

to see that she took him on on

1:01:07

her. Her level of a spine ah is

1:01:10

is still but remains to be seen, but.

1:01:13

Again, it could be. You. Know

1:01:15

I think they want to woman somebody some people

1:01:17

said tim start. Like. What is

1:01:19

Tim Scott? Yeah, you are not sure much of

1:01:21

anything. You know you're you're

1:01:23

going to win South Carolina. And in let's be clear,

1:01:26

the even if at the at the. Bassist.

1:01:29

Level. Vice presidents you know,

1:01:31

don't don't matter People vote on the presidency

1:01:33

arm and people say oh, you know they're

1:01:35

going to vote on you know com O

1:01:38

S know they're not. Now. They're

1:01:40

not. You know if they're going to vote on

1:01:42

whether or not they want your biden Or Bob's

1:01:44

Unity or Donald Trump? Not who's going to be

1:01:46

Vice President? Yeah, Tim

1:01:48

Scott is actually doing it. Really

1:01:51

good impersonation of us Mike Pence

1:01:53

you know, and assistant cysts in

1:01:55

the way he gazes adoring lee

1:01:58

or as his eyes and. I

1:02:00

mean it did the I mean. You.

1:02:02

Have to think about this. I mean,

1:02:04

what is it? say? That. You're

1:02:06

willing to put up with that kind of ritual humiliation.

1:02:09

I mean, I just don't get it. right?

1:02:11

Idea. I mean, I may I am. I'm glad I

1:02:13

don't have that ship. Are gonna be honest with. The

1:02:17

it's when you when you talk about

1:02:19

this humiliation that that is the one

1:02:21

thing that is puzzled me that you

1:02:23

know. A while back we were all

1:02:25

saying that that he's got. Pictures.

1:02:28

Or video on these guys. Like

1:02:30

get Lindsey Graham. for instance. you

1:02:33

know, Lindsey Graham. Call them us,

1:02:35

a racist zenith of xenophobia. Big

1:02:39

ended up and go all

1:02:41

the way down down the

1:02:43

list. Each one of them

1:02:45

had fire from and now

1:02:47

they're all just like poodles.

1:02:49

Yeah, subservient poodles. Yellow. I

1:02:51

mean, suck. For someone like

1:02:53

Graham, it's a it's a

1:02:55

survival mechanism. On the illness

1:02:57

he wants to be closest to the

1:02:59

brightest stars he could. That for him

1:03:01

was John Mccain. And so

1:03:04

when John Mccain was alive or

1:03:06

God rest his soul. ah, that

1:03:08

was who Graham gravitated to write

1:03:10

an awful Graham Parotid. A lot

1:03:12

of what Mccain said. Ah, yes,

1:03:14

Center Mccain gets a brain tumor

1:03:16

he's passing on. Graham.

1:03:18

Says okay, Who's the next person who can keep

1:03:20

me in the spotlight? On. I

1:03:22

think for others ah I'm you know

1:03:24

the the Tom Cartons of the World

1:03:26

and the Josh Holly's of the World

1:03:28

and the Ted Cruz's of the World

1:03:31

in the least a Phonics. I since

1:03:33

there somewhere between Graham and Carlson. Or

1:03:35

jt dances another one. Arm they're

1:03:37

not in survival mode because they're unlikely

1:03:39

to lose whatever seats they have, but.

1:03:42

They haven't yet completely crossed over, although I

1:03:45

think every they're getting closer to it because

1:03:47

some of the things you say and do

1:03:49

they're saying and doing it just can't come

1:03:51

back from now. I could be wrong, right?

1:03:54

There's lots of second acts in politics. But

1:03:57

they're also looking forward to a post trump

1:03:59

time when. You. Know that the

1:04:01

majority of the party will still be more

1:04:03

aligned with magazine it will be with the

1:04:05

party I grew up in. Ah, I'm. Sorry.

1:04:08

You know? I think that. You. Know they're

1:04:10

willing to put up with a lot because they figure.

1:04:13

Well. Even if Trump live in, even if Trump

1:04:15

wins, like is he gonna make it through a whole

1:04:17

term? You know if he doesn't make it through a

1:04:19

whole term, Who's that, You know? Jt Vance would love

1:04:21

to be vice President arm, you know. And then I'm

1:04:23

set up for twenty twenty eight. Let me be clear,

1:04:26

like I think if Trump. Wins. The Presidency

1:04:28

in is Alive and Twenty Twenty Eight. and it

1:04:30

ain't gonna be a Twenty Twenty Eight. or at

1:04:32

least not the way you and I have ever

1:04:34

thought of it on. And so I think that

1:04:36

there's a lot of the party is in his

1:04:38

thrall. The majority of it is. I mean, look

1:04:40

at the states. You. Know, look

1:04:42

at the states. You know whether

1:04:44

I'd I'd a howard Utah where

1:04:46

I live or Wyoming? The Dakotas,

1:04:49

The Old Confederacy. The. People that

1:04:51

are and sharp charge there are not. Old.

1:04:53

School Republicans They're not moderate republicans.

1:04:55

They are not country club republicans.

1:04:57

They are full on ultra mega

1:04:59

read linear. The Me

1:05:02

as you. Do. That

1:05:04

do those folks the does.

1:05:08

This party leaders. Do

1:05:10

they. Do they can cited? Do

1:05:13

any of them confide in you? Do

1:05:15

any of them like political science? A

1:05:17

reliance? Are you honestly disguise that? Sit

1:05:19

nasty Danny This The fact that you're.

1:05:23

So heavily involved with with the Lincoln project

1:05:25

right now. Do they do? They confide in

1:05:27

you at all? or are you the enemy?

1:05:30

Know they wouldn't throw, father, wouldn't throw water

1:05:32

on me if I was on fire. I.

1:05:36

Had that's but that's where the world is

1:05:38

now, right? I

1:05:40

mean the interesting part is. We've

1:05:43

been against him since the from the get

1:05:45

go. And. In in the

1:05:47

Weird authoritarian Mindset. We're

1:05:50

the enemy. But we're

1:05:52

still like the first tier of people who

1:05:54

they hate the most are those that betrayed

1:05:56

them. right? So anybody who

1:05:58

worked for him. Now come out

1:06:01

against them. right? Anybody who testified

1:06:03

at the January Six hearings or

1:06:05

will ultimately testify whenever the Jack

1:06:07

Smith trial. Probably a lot of

1:06:09

the same people there with their

1:06:11

tier one because betrayal is the

1:06:13

ultimate since we've always been the

1:06:15

enemy. right? That doesn't mean they

1:06:17

don't hate us, right? Arm. And it

1:06:20

doesn't mean that if Donald Trump got reelected

1:06:22

it wouldn't be a pretty bad day for

1:06:24

a lot of us are bad for years

1:06:26

or however long it would be. Ah, but

1:06:28

yeah it's the people who who were with

1:06:30

him who are now against him there at

1:06:32

the top of the list and then it's

1:06:35

or to roll down from there. but look

1:06:37

eventually. Yeah, These. These people get

1:06:39

are they trying get around everybody ends And

1:06:41

I will say this when when it when

1:06:43

a dull trump type and I wrote in

1:06:45

it's really important understand the people around him

1:06:47

again they are not stupid. They have plans

1:06:49

for this stuff. They will move very very

1:06:51

fast to consolidate stuff to their advantage because

1:06:53

they know that if they don't. Whatever

1:06:56

guard rails are left will try and hold

1:06:58

will do their best. Organically.

1:07:00

To hold out as long as they see

1:07:03

and so they will come in with ah,

1:07:05

you know, axes and flame throwers to knock

1:07:07

down anything they can as soon as they

1:07:09

can. Yeah, if if Donald Trump gets ah,

1:07:12

God. Forbid if he gets

1:07:14

reelected. Yeah. I'm

1:07:17

sure by now you've seen that projects. Twenty

1:07:19

Twenty guys. Saying it's

1:07:21

it's terrifying to think about. You

1:07:23

know that that could be the

1:07:25

end of our democracy as he

1:07:27

gets back and says it's that

1:07:29

that thing is all about him

1:07:31

consolidating power and ensuring his you

1:07:34

know, his retribution as his revenge

1:07:36

against those who have wronged him.

1:07:38

Yeah. Look, Project Twenty Twenty Five

1:07:40

at it's it's It's at It's

1:07:43

core is this is to destroy

1:07:45

the parts of the federal government

1:07:47

that help people and emboldened and

1:07:49

enlarge the parts of government that

1:07:52

can control people minutes. It. You.

1:07:54

Know what they call the Power Ministry's

1:07:56

Department of Justice. The. Intelligence Services

1:07:58

The F B I. The Homeland

1:08:01

Security. Any any paint? Any place

1:08:03

that's got our information on people, jails, and guns

1:08:05

like those are the guys that are going to

1:08:07

get all the money and all the attention and

1:08:09

that's where the craziest of the crazy will end

1:08:11

up. Have you

1:08:14

had any luck in or

1:08:16

had any traction? As far

1:08:18

as I'm sounding the alarm

1:08:20

on that project. Twenty Twenty

1:08:22

Five. Are you know people?

1:08:24

It's a good question I I I have

1:08:26

so much homework left to do on this

1:08:28

arm. I have some friends who are working

1:08:30

on it for doing is a really in

1:08:33

depth review of everything and and they've done

1:08:35

some incredible work. So begin a once once

1:08:37

that gets done yet And and I also

1:08:39

all I want to get it out A

1:08:41

Project Twenty Twenty Five on my caller Trump

1:08:44

To point out right because Project Twenty Twenty

1:08:46

Five years at this sort of like veneer

1:08:48

of legitimacy exactly Elena is is not the

1:08:50

Heritage Foundation. This is like what Trump and

1:08:52

his people. Are gonna do. right? Arm.

1:08:55

You know they want to change the name of the Department

1:08:57

of Health and Human Services to the Department of Life. right?

1:09:00

Like it's the they're gonna, they're gonna got

1:09:02

the environmental protection agency they want to get

1:09:04

rid of Noah. The. Weather people.

1:09:07

Right? Like why would you get rid of

1:09:09

the weather people I don't like And this

1:09:12

is where it crosses from. Scary.

1:09:14

Too crazy. Like. What? Like.

1:09:17

You're gonna get rid of the weather people in

1:09:19

a very well. could be because he still pissed

1:09:21

off that like you get ridiculed for you know

1:09:23

you know putting that. That's

1:09:26

possible. He

1:09:29

tried to sharpie the the hiring manager as

1:09:31

he wanted. To go to Alabama it

1:09:33

was a going down like this. Insane.

1:09:36

Yeah. Speaking

1:09:40

of insane. With

1:09:43

Mike. Retail ugly. Just

1:09:45

want to get your opinion on

1:09:47

her. Is seats just a sides?

1:09:50

Is she a sideshow? This is

1:09:52

passing through or is see a

1:09:54

harbinger Harbinger. Of. his

1:09:57

his his side of of things

1:09:59

to of. The the look of

1:10:01

the Republican party for the

1:10:03

future is yeah. Staying Power.

1:10:06

Yes, I will it. It depends. I

1:10:08

mean if trump wins for sure. I.

1:10:10

If he loses. Ah,

1:10:14

In. The short term yes I he

1:10:16

says in a season are hyper. Ah,

1:10:18

gerrymandered districts are she's unlikely to lose

1:10:21

or any time soon. Ah, but her

1:10:23

ability to, you know, sit there and

1:10:25

throw bombs at Nina was be clear,

1:10:28

like Mike Johnson, a speaker like he's

1:10:30

no moderate right? He's either wacky right

1:10:32

wing, christian, nationalist, evangelical and she's throwing

1:10:34

bombs at him. And

1:10:37

so you know her desires to be in the

1:10:39

middle of things. She has no interest in governance.

1:10:41

She has no interest in the good of the

1:10:43

people are her interest is in. Ah,

1:10:46

You know being is ultra mega as you can

1:10:48

be and as I've said this before the others

1:10:50

also dudes era we have to remember that inside

1:10:52

Maggot the only people they hate more than you

1:10:54

and me. Are. Each other. right?

1:10:57

It is a cutthroat world there are.

1:10:59

They would all climb over one another.

1:11:01

They'd all step on each other's next

1:11:03

in half a second if they thought

1:11:05

it would get them one ladder up.

1:11:07

Whatever. One. Rung up whatever latter

1:11:10

they're all climbing, right? Which is that

1:11:12

closer to trump? Closer. To

1:11:14

Money Power. It's all a

1:11:16

gang, right? That's all this

1:11:18

is. that. It's Gang To

1:11:20

it's it's Gang tactics. Money

1:11:22

Power Territory. Self. Aggrandizement that

1:11:24

someone is. Rita

1:11:27

one as you bad of projects

1:11:29

or that you are working on

1:11:31

ah. You know you

1:11:33

said you have a substantial. Yes,

1:11:36

Oh yes. Oh look, I mean I have

1:11:39

what? The Lincoln Project Podcast comes out twice

1:11:41

a week. So you know, like I interview

1:11:43

a lot of authors, a lot of experts

1:11:46

on authoritarianism. are you know we do some

1:11:48

straight political stuff with the horse race? Look

1:11:50

like I have my sub stack. It's called

1:11:52

the Home Front I'd swear I you know.

1:11:55

Couple three times a week I try and

1:11:57

explain. You know why something's happening up and

1:11:59

doing. The long time lot longer than

1:12:01

I can imagine are sometimes it's more

1:12:03

sort of philosophical, sometimes it's sort of

1:12:05

ra Ra cheerleading and then look you

1:12:07

know most of the focus are you

1:12:09

know for this year will be really

1:12:11

for me and four states Arizona, Michigan,

1:12:14

Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Ah you know with

1:12:16

those same types of voters that we

1:12:18

started talking about at the top? Ah

1:12:20

yes. We can win

1:12:22

those or cheap enough of those

1:12:24

folks from participating for on Trump's

1:12:26

behalf arm. Then we win and

1:12:28

we all went. On And so

1:12:30

what I would say this is you

1:12:33

know if if you. Can.

1:12:35

Get off. The. Couch. If you

1:12:37

are interested, you know get involved. the

1:12:39

doesn't have to be with the Lincoln

1:12:41

project or anybody else to somebody in

1:12:43

your community. There are tiny groups out

1:12:45

there who doing incredible work or whether

1:12:47

or not of that's a get out

1:12:49

the vote operations and voter registration or

1:12:51

voter communication. Most of them you know

1:12:54

are understaffed, underpaid, Punch. Well above

1:12:56

their weight. or again, you know it's not

1:12:58

he. There's going to be one hundred and

1:13:00

sixty million people that vote. And. It's

1:13:02

going to be of Nina we happy few

1:13:04

hundreds or thousands maybe a couple of million

1:13:06

to are in there in the trenches, day

1:13:09

in and day out make and stuff happen

1:13:11

and if you are willing to you know

1:13:13

pick up that shovel and dig alongside his

1:13:15

right like will take all the help we

1:13:17

can get. We thank you so much or

1:13:19

what? What are the two days that your

1:13:21

podcast laps odds? Usually Mondays and Wednesdays but

1:13:24

it's in our goto. You can find a

1:13:26

wherever pot are you know Apple Podcasts bar

1:13:28

fiber of your find. Podcasts are friend and

1:13:30

to. They just type in the Lincoln Project.

1:13:32

Lincoln Project, Pa Justified or other. He

1:13:35

says now will Die and I

1:13:38

really appreciate. I can't say how

1:13:40

much I appreciate what you guys

1:13:42

do you tube videos always made

1:13:45

me laugh, they are hilarious, nail

1:13:47

biting and I think that ultimately

1:13:49

the the key to. To.

1:13:52

See hurting Donald Trump's is the

1:13:55

ridicule? Is that the humiliation that

1:13:57

the city? So please keep it

1:13:59

up. And read girl and thank

1:14:01

you again so much for joining me

1:14:03

here in a defiant podcast. Takes ravenous.

1:14:08

That's all the time we have today

1:14:10

on the Defiant Podcast. But. I

1:14:12

want to leave you with this essential nugget.

1:14:15

What? We're hearing from. The Trump Hush

1:14:17

Money trial is a lot more than

1:14:20

how Donald Trump use the major media

1:14:22

outlet to influence and election. It also

1:14:24

speaks volumes about Donald Trump and who

1:14:27

he is and what he's about. His

1:14:30

world is one that's defined by

1:14:32

back scratching sleep with Trump at

1:14:34

the Sensors acting as a de

1:14:36

mob boss. That's really

1:14:38

the only way to understand the man.

1:14:40

To think this man is some kind

1:14:42

of martyr for political hero is absurd.

1:14:45

Skis compared himself to both

1:14:47

Jesus and Nelson Mandela. But.

1:14:50

In reality, he's closer to

1:14:52

John Gotti. Unfortunately,

1:14:54

even that description shop

1:14:56

would enjoy. The fact

1:14:58

of the matter is that Trump

1:15:00

has no code and shows no

1:15:02

loyalty. Mobsters with spin on him.

1:15:04

but this is the man millions

1:15:06

believe is fit for the highest

1:15:08

office of the land. I'm terrified

1:15:10

beyond measure to how we got

1:15:12

to this point. and we're We

1:15:14

go from here. Thanks for

1:15:16

listening! Stay. Defiance.