0:00

that feeling of walking up the steps at Wembley

0:02

and lifting the FA Cup is miles bigger

0:04

than when I've lifted the Premier League trophy or

0:06

the Champions League. You've got a goalkeeper who

0:08

I don't think you trust and you've got a

0:10

number nine who couldn't hit a bar and

0:12

do it at the moment. We had a little

0:14

spat me and couldn't you're on on social

0:16

media. You and him? Yeah. That

0:18

just literally want to go. In the Soli,

0:20

just down the road from the car, shink a

0:22

pint with me, mate. You know what I

0:24

mean? We've done it. If someone could offer you

0:26

one now, Champions League football or winning the

0:28

FA Cup? Champions League. I just think... I'm surprised

0:30

you said that. I'd go Keynes -Golden and

0:32

the Browns. No, Steve's got that now. You'd

0:37

even hear your family in the crowd, like,

0:39

with your sticker and stuff. You

0:41

can't not hear the calligraphy. Hello

0:50

and welcome back to The Fandy Bay,

0:52

brought to you by Skybet and this

0:54

week I'm delighted to be joined by

0:56

one of England's, Europe's and the world's

0:58

greatest strikers, Wayne Rooney. Right, you've been

1:00

on stick to football, been doing a bit

1:02

of punditry, you've got a FA Cup semi -finals at the

1:04

weekend, what are you looking

1:06

at terms of management, punditry, you've

1:08

still almost got your... Yeah, no,

1:11

obviously I'm not coaching

1:13

so the punditry is the

1:15

next best thing really,

1:17

to go into and... and you're

1:19

still going to games, you're still talking about the game. And

1:22

I'm in no rush to be honest, under

1:24

management obviously, I've done it four times and very

1:27

difficult jobs, all four of them. So

1:29

at the minute, if the right thing

1:32

comes up, of course, I'll look at

1:34

it, but yeah, I'm not in the

1:36

biggest of rushes to go back into

1:38

it. OK. Gareth, we're going

1:40

to start with you because it looks like,

1:42

well, it looks like it is, Liverpool are

1:44

one point away from... winning the

1:46

league on the back of Arsenal's results.

1:48

I mean, come on, how are you

1:50

feeling? I was made up

1:52

that Arsenal got that result, to be honest,

1:54

because I was sat in the flat. in

1:57

me undies watching that one and you know

1:59

not ready to go on the island celebrate. What

2:02

would you have done if Palace had scored

2:04

there later? I mean would you have phoned out?

2:06

I would have had to like bring me

2:08

mates wouldn't I bring me lads said come on

2:10

we're getting out we won the league after

2:12

all this time in the way you know like

2:14

in person if you like you know no

2:16

Covid and all the rest of it. So I'm

2:18

made up it's rolled on to Anfield and

2:20

obviously it's still not done we need the points

2:22

But you know, we've had a great record

2:25

against Spurs, Spurs and Great when they come to

2:27

Anfield, et cetera. So has Flav. Anywhere. Anywhere

2:29

harsh. So

2:32

yeah, I think it's something we've all been gearing

2:34

up to for a long time. Everyone's

2:36

got plans. I don't

2:38

think a lot's going to get done on

2:40

Monday if we get that point we need. And

2:43

look, you know, I'm just really looking forward

2:45

to it. You know, that other one. The

2:47

other league title victory during Covid didn't sort

2:49

of say answer. Still claiming that one? Yeah!

2:54

Oh, man, waiting for a brilliant answer! But

2:56

you know what I mean? You just couldn't do

2:58

all the things you... How you'd envisaged it, you

3:01

know what I mean? I'm like 48 now, and

3:03

I've never celebrated with me mate two ago the

3:05

match with, you know I mean? So I now

3:07

get this opportunity to do so. And I haven't

3:09

got any big plans. I just literally want to

3:11

go in the Soli, just down the road from

3:13

the Cop. Chink a pint with me

3:15

mate, you know what I mean? And say we've done it,

3:17

we've finally done it, you know what I mean? So I'm

3:19

looking forward to that of course, yeah. You know,

3:21

I've got to go, just like you've said, that it's hit

3:23

everyone, eh? They had the Covid season one. The

3:27

season after was the proper Covid season, wasn't it?

3:29

That was like there was no one in the fans

3:31

for a year in the States. Yeah, so it

3:33

was cut in half, the one we won. City won

3:35

the Covid season, didn't it, the year after? When

3:39

no one was in. Yeah, but you're the one,

3:41

you had like a three -month break in the

3:43

season, that's what he's saying. we talk about the

3:45

money? Yeah, but we had a full decision. We

3:47

had absolutely pissed the league off. I don't think

3:49

he remembers that, did he, Jack? We batted Leicester

3:51

on box, didn't we? No, no one does remember

3:53

it. It's weird, because no one even looks at

3:55

football. We were more concerned about, you know, whole

3:58

world crumbling than Liverpool in the

4:00

league. You did do well, but it

4:02

didn't really count. What

4:04

it will say to you though is

4:07

we, the first league I won, I

4:10

was at home, we played Man

4:12

City on the satay and beat them

4:14

and then I still played Chelsea and if

4:16

Chelsea didn't win we wouldn't the league

4:18

and that happened so I sat at home

4:20

and it didn't feel, it was weird

4:22

yeah, rather than winning it and

4:24

being there, it was a weird feeling

4:26

you know having to have me cloth ready to

4:28

iron or get ironed because I can't iron. To

4:34

go out, so yeah, it

4:36

was much better. What's

4:39

it like, Wayne? So you've won obviously a

4:41

number of Premier League titles and you've probably won

4:43

it in lots of different ways. What is

4:45

the best way for you to win it? Like

4:49

day and then when you win it on

4:51

the pitch and... Being a home is a

4:53

big thing. When we beat Wigan away, that

4:55

was a really good one. Obviously

4:57

you prefer to go home, but...

4:59

Wigan away just before the Champions League

5:01

final and to win that game,

5:03

I think Giggs won the penalty, I

5:05

think Giggs scored to make it

5:07

2 -0 and that was probably the

5:09

best one and best feeling. We had

5:11

the whole away stand and that

5:13

was the best one. What about 2012,

5:15

Wayne? Was that a good one?

5:17

Guero goal mate. You

5:26

go against Sunderland away,

5:28

and then Aguera. That

5:32

was a tough one,

5:34

yeah. But

5:36

again, from Paddy Kenney, from

5:39

the ball in, I think two goals. QPR

5:43

knew they were safe. City

5:46

get 2 -2, then you just

5:48

put the ball back to them, then you had

5:50

Ceaseye on the pitch, Joy Barton got sent off.

5:53

Acting stupid. Who

5:55

else was it? John Ray

5:57

Phillips on the pitch, a newer...

5:59

But he doesn't care, do they?

6:04

That should have been looked into. How

6:06

do you carry me

6:08

now? It's

6:11

not just 115, it's 116.

6:14

That's the headline on the way Mooney wants

6:16

Manchester City looking into for the NPR

6:18

game. Gareth.

6:21

The other big news is obviously the signings.

6:23

Listen, we've all spoke about it. You

6:25

know, you've been on your platforms and your

6:27

podcasts as well about the two players

6:29

signing. Is

6:32

it value for money? I

6:34

think so, because I imagine trying to replace them.

6:37

And I just think, you know, with Virgil,

6:39

I know a lot of the focus

6:41

rightly has been on Mao, but I think

6:43

Virgil was almost more important for me,

6:45

because he's the captain, he's the cultural

6:47

leader. I think he's still brilliant. There's a lot

6:49

of people who spend an awful lot of time on

6:51

the internet pointing out every time he makes a

6:53

very small mistake, but what that says to me is

6:55

he doesn't make him any than does he. And

6:57

I think the way he plays, if you're

6:59

watching him week in, week out, there's still loads

7:02

in the tank. He's very resilient, he's playing

7:04

most games. He only puts the banners on

7:06

when he ever needs to. He just always seems to be

7:08

in the right place most of the time. And

7:10

I just think he would have been

7:12

bothered and unimpossible to replace. I think as

7:14

good as Moe's been, there are other

7:16

wingers, because he's not even a striker as

7:18

he's a winger. There are other wingers

7:20

out there, maybe Liverpool could have gone and

7:22

got. So Virgil was the one

7:24

that I was like. really made up about

7:26

it. Made up, they've both committed and I

7:28

think a big step in the right direction

7:30

for next season. I think there's already a lot

7:32

of work to do for me which seems mad to

7:34

say that when we're going to win the league. But

7:37

I would say, you know, we could

7:39

do with about five sands. So

7:41

if those two had left, you're

7:43

then looking at seven, you

7:46

know what I mean? And there's no way to

7:48

put a sand seven players in one sands fair window.

7:50

Probably not going to sign five. So,

7:52

yeah, I was delighted with that business. Wayne, because

7:54

I ask you, this comes up a lot

7:56

about what you just said there about it's like

7:58

a thing online, isn't it? And probably you

8:00

with strikers, Van Dyke with defenders, and, you know,

8:02

Stevie with midfielders or Lampan, you know, all

8:04

these type of things. But I think

8:06

that gets said a little bit about

8:09

Van Dyke and modern sort of centrebacks

8:11

is that the strikers they come up

8:13

against and at the level that we

8:16

saw before. I'm not saying

8:18

that's right or wrong, just want to know

8:20

your view about it. I don't know if

8:22

you've ever really looked against Van Dyke, how

8:24

good do think? I think a flip to

8:26

that as well, I think the defenders are

8:28

nowhere near good enough. Not Van Dyke, I

8:30

think Van Dyke is brilliant, I think Kanate

8:32

is being brilliant as well this season but I

8:34

think the majority of defenders are nowhere

8:36

near as good as what he was and

8:38

the forwards, the game that I was

8:40

going more positional and it's a lot slower.

8:43

I think there's less running than there

8:45

was 15 years ago in the

8:47

game because players are stuck in the

8:49

positions. The number nine to more to

8:51

feed rather than there's no players running

8:54

behind. Challenging. I think

8:56

watch the derby when

8:58

Beto running behind, he

9:00

caused big problems because they're probably not used

9:02

to it. Players running behind, it doesn't happen

9:04

anymore. The wingers don't get a wide and get

9:06

a full back. No more sort of thing for

9:08

defenders. It's a little bit

9:10

easier the way the game's gone. Whether that's right or

9:12

wrong, you know,

9:14

you don't know. But I don't think

9:17

they're getting challenged anywhere near... You know, I

9:19

was playing against Van Dijk and normally

9:21

I'd have, you know, Tevez or Louis

9:23

Sahar or Van Nistui alongside you. The

9:25

first thing you want to do is,

9:27

you know, time to put a tackling

9:29

on them or when the ball goes

9:31

to the fullback, that's your opportunity to

9:33

go and leave on on them. No,

9:36

but that part of the

9:38

game has gone, so it's

9:40

not as difficult, but I'm

9:43

not saying that I certainly

9:45

am more than good enough to go and play at

9:47

that time, and that was happening. He's

9:49

probably the best centre back the world.

9:51

You know what you say, the nor is

9:53

good, or is it just different? It's

9:55

different, yeah. The culture of the game has

9:57

changed a lot, obviously, since Pep's come

9:59

in. If you've got

10:01

them players, what we've seen Pep do over

10:03

the last four years is... know, incredible,

10:05

some of the best football you'd see. But

10:08

then everyone has tried to do it, and

10:10

teams who aren't good enough to do it

10:12

have struggled. And you've seen, obviously, company

10:15

with Burnley when they come into Premier

10:17

League, Russell Martin with Southampton, trying to do

10:19

it when you haven't got the players

10:21

in that league is very difficult. So the

10:23

game has changed massively from 10, 15

10:25

years ago, and it's not as physical, it's

10:27

not as demanding, if you like, to

10:29

what used to be. I mean, I wish

10:32

I was playing today as a defender

10:34

when you don't have centre forwards looking to

10:36

do you're in the first five minutes. Leave

10:40

one on. Hell, you can't throw. Gareth,

10:45

I just want to ask you one last question.

10:47

You talk about Liverpool needing five players and I totally agree

10:50

with you. I said that a few weeks ago. But

10:52

if there was one player out there right now,

10:54

I mean, realistically, not just like

10:56

a name everybody wants, but realistically, you think

10:58

that would make a massive improvement to

11:00

our team. I think a gettable one, because

11:02

I mean, know, you can be really,

11:04

you can say, I love Isaac, but who

11:06

wouldn't like, but, you know, I

11:09

like the left -back of Bournemouth. I

11:11

think he's gettable. I think he's better

11:13

than what we've got. I

11:15

think Andy Robertson still got something to offer

11:17

despite all the criticism, but I'm not sure

11:19

he can do the minutes in the games

11:21

he's been doing for however many years it

11:24

is now. Simacass,

11:27

I'm not really having him, to be honest. I

11:29

think he's all right, but he's more like a

11:31

job and left -back for me. And if he

11:33

moved on and you got Khezzin, I

11:35

think that would be a good

11:37

sign. Livy, you will get your chance

11:39

to reply to that. I've got

11:41

to go to FLAV at the moment.

11:44

FLAV, Europa League semi -final, something

11:46

to look forward to. There

11:49

was a report a few days ago

11:51

in the press, whether it's two or not,

11:53

that no matter what happens in the

11:55

Europa League, that you'll... you have a new

11:57

manager next season. I mean, where

12:00

are you on that in terms of this

12:02

Europa League run and the manager's situation? I

12:04

think, I mean, the Europa League run is

12:06

guaranteed that Ajax Bostokoglu is still Tottenham manager.

12:08

I don't think without that run he would

12:10

still be here. He'd probably gone a couple

12:12

of months back. No meaning in terms of

12:15

winning it. Oh, can we win it? Yeah,

12:17

know what I'm saying is, if you win

12:19

it, you'd be absolutely ecstatic. Yeah, yeah, would.

12:21

Think it affects the manager's situation, or you've

12:23

got to be indecided. Sorry, yeah. I don't

12:25

think it changes the situation. I think it's

12:27

clear, given what's happened in the Premier League

12:29

this year, that you can't lose 18 games,

12:32

there is an issue systematically, tactically,

12:35

and his influence over these players have meant that we've

12:38

lost that many games. You can't do that. He doesn't

12:40

survive anywhere, at any other club, and it's the Europa

12:42

League that's kept him from the job. So

12:44

I think that regardless of what happens, even if

12:46

he wins it, probably the most

12:48

sensible thing to do would be to

12:51

find a new manager, shake hands, mutual

12:53

agreement and walk away. Will

12:55

Daniel Eave, we do that though, because

12:57

he's finally found a manager who's won something

12:59

despite the league form and he has

13:01

to sack a winning manager and regardless of

13:04

what happens, you can't change

13:06

that fact. So the criticism of which he's

13:08

already receiving an absolute barrage is going

13:10

to be that If the next manager inevitably

13:12

fails, as it probably will under Daniel

13:14

Evie, the question will be, you've

13:16

sat to winning manager. The right thing would

13:18

be to, like I say, shake hands and

13:21

walk away. We've got to win it first. You're

13:25

confident you could win that?

13:28

And listen, you've got a Norwegian

13:30

team in the semi -final, Bodo Glint,

13:32

who actually, I think, beat

13:34

Angers' team. Celtic a few years ago. did,

13:36

home and away. Celtic in the

13:38

Champions League. qualifiers maybe, or maybe it

13:40

was the Europa League, whatever. Going

13:43

to Norway, playing them isn't easy.

13:45

You saw Lazio get turned over.

13:47

Plastic pitch? Plastic pitch, exposed to

13:49

the elements, small ground, everything is

13:51

in their favour. And

13:53

they battered Lazio in that first leg. I

13:55

mean, it was 2 -0, but they could

13:57

have had more. So we have to

13:59

do a job over them in the first

14:01

leg and really... the kind of spirit

14:03

and mentality that you saw against Frankfurt, which

14:05

is really weird performance, because it was

14:07

that kind of performance that we'd like to

14:09

have seen in the Premier League. You've

14:12

been saying it, and it's been frustrating

14:14

to hear when you're hoping your team change

14:16

and deliver the results, but you've been

14:18

saying, criticising them for a

14:20

good year now, and it's fair,

14:22

because we've been too easy to get

14:24

at, and Midfield's been too exposed.

14:26

Against Frankfurt, it all went away. All

14:28

the problems went away. We started

14:30

playing long. We didn't insist

14:33

on playing out from the back when

14:35

you've got an entire Frankfurt crowd, baying

14:37

for blood, they're pressing. The

14:39

last thing you want to do is play out from the back

14:41

in that moment, and we'd stop doing it. I don't know where

14:43

that came from, whether it was Ange Postergoglu or the players took

14:45

it upon themselves. It must have come

14:47

from Ange, because they're still with him. But

14:50

yeah, I mean, if

14:52

we win Europa League, what

14:54

this season, and he

14:56

will be remembered very fondly,

14:58

despite... was your take

15:00

on when you watched Tottenham? I loved watching

15:02

them play. I remember I

15:04

was at the game at Old

15:06

Trafford earlier in the season and

15:08

Stephen Criddle, I thought Tottenham were

15:10

unbelievable. They absolutely destroyed Man United

15:13

in that game. And

15:15

then I watched him against Galatasaray away

15:17

and I couldn't believe what I was watching.

15:19

What you just said there, he kept

15:21

trying to play off the back, kept getting

15:23

caught on the ball and it could

15:25

have been six, seven... -0 to Galatasaray, so

15:27

the Frankfurt one I think was, there

15:29

was definitely a changer in how

15:31

they were playing, but I think it's

15:33

interesting that the two teams who

15:35

really are unwilling to change is Man

15:37

United and Tottenham and they keep

15:39

losing games. So somewhere something

15:41

is not going right and so you have to

15:43

change just to flip that mindset and that

15:45

mentality of the players I think and the fans

15:47

as well because You know, I don't match

15:50

the day of the weekend saying about Tottenham trying

15:52

to play off from the back, and then

15:54

when they keep a diggule on, you can air

15:56

-drive on a cheers from the fans. So you

15:58

need to try and flip that to get

16:00

the fans back on track with you. And I

16:02

think they've done that in the last game. I

16:06

think it'll be a shootout

16:08

between United and Tottenham in the

16:10

final. I do for a

16:12

Champions League spot, which will save

16:14

someone's season. I mean, I

16:16

can see Tottenham winning the trophy just for the

16:18

fact that if you... I think you'll get to

16:21

the final. Cheers. No,

16:23

but I can't see you beating Bilbao in

16:25

their own stadium in a final. I think

16:27

that'd be tough for anybody. I don't agree

16:30

with that. I fear Bilbao more than I

16:32

do in a final. Yeah, I get that.

16:35

But... You don't beat us in a European final.

16:37

There's no way Tottenham beat Man United in

16:39

a European final. No chance. What,

16:42

because of all the fakes? History,

16:44

mentality. They're just a club who

16:46

will find a way to win. They're intangibles. They don't

16:48

really exist. They do. Man United, what

16:50

they did the other night in the

16:52

game, and they scored three late goals. I

16:54

was devastated that. But Man United have

16:56

got an ability to win games that they

16:58

should. They beat Man City in the

17:00

FA Cup final last season. I

17:02

just don't... I just think the whole

17:04

Man United in the European final would

17:06

be too much for Tottenham. Just you

17:09

wait. I hope I'm right. I hope you stupid

17:11

them. Can I to be

17:13

Bodo first. Yeah, you probably won't get Bodo.

17:15

be Bilbao. Don't worry

17:17

about that. Can I just make a

17:19

comment about Thursday night as well? Because

17:21

we're unlikely to win. But that is...

17:23

It's important that Daniel Levy is inside

17:25

that stadium in Anfield because what they've

17:27

done, what you guys have done over

17:29

the last... 10 years on the clock,

17:31

but the smart acquisitions, they haven't gone

17:33

about it in the way that City

17:35

have, which is a different outfielder in

17:37

Chelsea. They've gone about it in the

17:39

right way. And by Liverpool winning this

17:41

trophy in a legitimate way, holds up

17:43

a mirror to teams like... So is

17:45

this the first legitimate Premier League title

17:47

win in five years? Yeah, easily, easily.

17:49

But the thing is... It's not even

17:51

going to never happen. All

17:54

jokes aside...

17:57

You're looking at it and you're thinking, this is

17:59

what it takes. This is what a winning football

18:01

club looks like. And from the top down, that's

18:03

embedded in what Liverpool are. I

18:05

suppose it ain't that. Because the messaging

18:08

coming from Daniel Evie is regulation, pragmatism,

18:11

playing by the rules, operating within

18:13

your own means. That's not

18:16

what ambitious football clubs do. And

18:18

I get it. It's good that we're

18:20

sort of... the books and all that

18:22

sort of stuff. You've got Chelsea, and

18:24

I'm not saying let's be like Chelsea,

18:26

selling their ladies' teams to themselves in

18:28

order to spend more money in the

18:30

advent that they might possibly win a

18:32

trophy one day. There are ways

18:34

to operate, and the way Daniel Evie

18:37

is running Tottenham means that the likelihood of

18:39

us ever achieving what Liverpool are about

18:41

to do on Thursday is so small. And

18:44

so you should be a bear witness to this on Thursday. I

18:46

adjust, I don't know was right or wrong, you

18:48

can tell me. And just spent

18:50

£400 million in two seasons. Yeah, but is

18:53

it £400 million? Yes. Yeah, so it's not

18:55

about... a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, but

18:57

does it look like we spent £400 million

18:59

on the pitch? Who's he

19:01

employed? Yeah, no, so if I'm to point

19:03

to you, then you're looking at obviously Ange and

19:05

Recruitment, you're not so much looking at Daniel

19:07

Levy, so... No, you are. It's not, it isn't

19:09

just... He's given money. No, it isn't just

19:11

about giving money, though. It's about the environment that

19:14

you create and whether or not it breeds

19:16

success, and 25 years was showed that it doesn't.

19:18

Look what the forest have done. No one

19:20

thinks that forest should be in the Champions League

19:22

apart from what they've done this year. It

19:24

comes from the owner. When he

19:26

was willing, and I'm not again, I'm not advocating

19:28

breaking the rules, right? It sounds like you

19:30

are. No, I'm saying it develops a mentality in

19:32

a football club that almost... It just pushes

19:34

you towards a success in a way that it

19:36

doesn't espouse. They went about spending their money,

19:38

alright, they cheated a little bit to stay in

19:41

the league. Cheated a little bit and then

19:43

there's, we've had nothing proven, but you're calling us

19:45

cheats, what's that about? You said you weren't

19:47

going to buy? I didn't

19:49

quit. was going to

19:51

nib, I didn't do anything. I didn't

19:53

quit cheats, I said legitimate. The forest

19:55

is more to do with Nuno rather

19:57

than the ownership. No, I think it

19:59

all comes from the ownership. I think

20:01

Nuno's done a great job, but all

20:03

of the good work comes from their

20:05

owners. It starts from the top and

20:07

filters down. It depends how involved you

20:09

want to be, because if you look

20:11

at my time at Man United, the

20:14

Glazers, obviously the Sloaners, we never had

20:16

to football club. But then that chemistry,

20:18

that environment was built through Alex Ferguson. So

20:21

it depends how much

20:23

involvement Danny Levy wants to

20:26

have. Because normally what

20:28

I think of most clubs,

20:31

the manager, the staff all around the

20:33

place create that environment, not so

20:35

much the owner. So

20:37

I wouldn't say Danny Levy is at

20:39

10 every day saying this is... how

20:41

we're doing this, this is what we're

20:43

doing this thing, nor meets the manager

20:45

who's setting them boundaries and rules for

20:48

what happens around the trading ground. With

20:50

the 400 million spent though, it's like

20:52

Solanki and Johnson, they're cheap wages aren't

20:54

they? It's not like they've spent the

20:56

money and then it's 400 million a

20:58

week as well. Thank you Greg. Yeah,

21:00

he's right. He's absolutely right. There's one

21:02

thing about money spent but there's also

21:04

about wages to players and it's like

21:06

100 million pound less a year than

21:08

Arsenal and we're supposed to be competing. Do

21:11

Arsenal operate like an ambitious football

21:13

club? Can they win the league? Can

21:15

you answer the same questions for

21:17

Spurs? No. It's

21:19

because of Daniel Levy. Well, talk

21:22

about winning the title. Luke, are

21:24

you getting a little bit more optimistic about next season,

21:26

the run that matches the city are on right

21:28

now? And do you think there's any chance that you

21:30

could actually catch Arsenal? Yeah, I think there is.

21:32

I think the genuine is. I think what we were

21:34

like... 13, 14 points behind them

21:36

and we're six now. And you look at the games

21:38

they've got left, I know they're not going to

21:40

be really caring about the Premier League. You'd think they're

21:42

in the Champions League for next season, pretty much

21:44

locked off. But they've got

21:46

PSG twice, obviously that's their season

21:48

basically on the line there. And

21:51

we've got obviously FA Cup, but we've got four

21:53

fairly favourable Premier League games. So if we were

21:55

to win them, I'm not saying it's guaranteed, but

21:57

if we can. And Arsenal have

21:59

got Liverpool, they've got Newcastle, they've got Bournemouth

22:01

to play. All good teams. I think

22:03

there's a chance that they might not be

22:05

second after all. Is there any chance

22:07

you and him are going to go for

22:09

a pint at the weekend the FA

22:11

Cup semi -final? You and Greg? I think

22:13

Greg's getting there a bit earlier than me,

22:15

too. He might be a bit hammered,

22:17

but... I'll give him a call after 90

22:19

minutes and we'll see who's happier. Can

22:21

you get served? I

22:25

don't do that to me, Greg, mate. It's

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the game's gonna go. Right

23:01

then, our fans will compete against each

23:03

other to identify a mystery footballer here

23:05

on our train line board. So Wayne,

23:08

place each club as they appear on

23:10

the board and you've obviously got to

23:12

know where they are geographically. Can you

23:14

be better than Scolzi? No.

23:17

The only clues they will receive are

23:20

the teams that said mystery player appeared

23:22

from the start of their career to

23:24

the finish. First team appearance

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is only, loans don't count. The

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winning team will receive a train -line voucher. That

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will come in handy on the next away

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day. But there is a catch. If

23:35

you guess and you are wrong, you

23:37

are out of that round, OK? And

23:40

to answer, you need to shout your name and

23:42

raise your hand. Baz, I'm looking at you. OK. No,

23:44

you just like shouting out, don't you? No, I've made them, yeah.

23:46

I'm the only one who puts me under. You just shout to

23:48

now? No. If needed, here's an example.

23:50

So let's look at the board. OK,

23:53

so that's... Come on, what's that?

23:55

Man United Arsenal Wofford Brighton. Yeah,

23:58

who do you think it is?

24:00

I don't know. You played with

24:02

him. It's the back, isn't it? You

24:06

played with him? Yeah, I'll go on. Who

24:08

do you think it could be? So started at

24:10

Man United as a kid. Wellbeck.

24:12

Yeah, Danny Wellbeck. So that's the

24:14

example anyway. OK, it's the best

24:16

of three and it's Greg V

24:19

Flav. Is it?

24:21

It is. Go

24:23

on, so put the first one in. Go

24:26

on, Waz. And

24:29

we're up there. That's not there. Well,

24:32

where is it then? Is that villa? A bit

24:34

higher. It's almost up to the right. Blessing scores,

24:36

eh? Round and around. Yeah, if

24:38

you get it wrong, you're out, so just wait.

24:40

So no one's having a go, no? No.

24:42

Team two, please, Wayne. Can

24:51

I have a go? It's too obvious,

24:53

surely. Fabian Del. You're

24:56

out. Wait, he was that lead to

24:58

that. It's fine. Do

25:00

you want the next one, please, Wayne? Well,

25:02

there isn't. It's one after the other. Right, after this, then.

25:04

It's one more. Is it?

25:07

it? Is it? Is it? it?

25:10

Is it? it? Is Is it? it? Is it? Is

25:13

it? Is

25:15

it? to

25:23

have a go, to have a guess. But we're

25:25

going for the last clue. No, wait. Come on,

25:27

Greg. You're waiting. I don't know. Come on. I've

25:29

got go. I'll have another

25:31

one. Andy, I want to see where Wayne's going

25:34

to put West Brom. I

25:38

still don't

25:40

know. Oh, Greg.

25:43

Oh, Greg. I'm

25:46

not good with stuff like this, no? Right,

25:49

anyone else? Gareth Barry. It was Gareth

25:51

Barry, but I'm 40, you're not playing

25:53

basketball. I'm not Premier

25:55

League fan, man. I'm new to

25:58

it. You pretend

26:00

you're used to it. Right, mystery

26:02

player two. Is it us

26:04

again? Yeah, use it on again. It's the

26:06

best of the three, isn't it? Go on,

26:08

Wayne. So the first one for this

26:10

player is Charlie Athletic. Yeah.

26:18

Do you know it? No, you're not going to go with that one.

26:20

Do I know? I think you might get it on the next

26:22

one. All right. OK.

26:24

Next scene, Wayne. You

26:27

know it. Go on, Flav.

26:29

It's not Spurs, it's Chelsea. Go on, Flav. You

26:31

should get it. Come

26:33

on. Flav, come on. Get

26:36

it right, Flav, please.

26:38

Scott Parker? Yes! Well

26:40

done! could

26:44

only be Scott Parker. So why did you

26:46

say is it only Scott Parker? Did he

26:48

shout his name and put his hand up,

26:50

though? No. Oh, come on. No,

26:54

no, we're giving that one. We're giving that one.

26:56

Right, last one, boys. Right, the

26:58

third player we've got... To

27:00

be honest, I'm not sure

27:03

whether this one would go.

27:05

Right? I'm not

27:07

great on me, South Coast. The

27:09

first... So this player... first

27:11

club name is Portsmouth. No,

27:14

not that one. Is that... I mean,

27:16

that's close. That's about bang

27:18

on. Fervor to the right. I don't

27:21

know if Bournemouth or Portsmouth were the

27:23

army. So that right, yeah. Yeah, perfect.

27:25

Next one, please, Wayne. That

27:29

way. Stoke that. It's stoke, like

27:31

East Midland. Bit, yeah, that's about

27:33

it. Any idea? I've got an

27:35

inclination. Oh, Clay. Don't

27:38

say it. I'm waiting for another clue. OK. Next

27:40

one. Next one, Wayne. Chelsea.

27:44

Oh, no. It's not. Yeah. That was

27:46

it. Incolation is gone. Who was

27:48

you thinking? Well, was going to go Peter Crouch.

27:50

OK. You were wrong, weren't you? What? Yeah, but

27:52

that wasn't... Well, sorry. Did he not

27:54

play for Portsmouth and Stone? Yeah, well, he didn't

27:56

start Portsmouth. Oh, he went and paused that.

27:59

I wouldn't start giving him a stick you haven't

28:01

had one, I'd say. Need anybody? The

28:03

next one, please, Wayne. Again, the South

28:05

Coast. I don't know which... I know,

28:07

I'm the same. It's just... Can I...

28:09

I've got it. I've got it. It's

28:11

Begovic. It's Begovic. Is

28:13

it Begovic? It

28:16

is Begovic. Well

28:26

done, Flav. You untune it. Thank you very

28:28

much. Brilliant. Cheers. I thought did all right. Another

28:37

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search Best Price Guarantee on

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Trainline.com. Kevin

28:53

De Bruyne. I

28:55

was gutted, honestly. I was gutted when that

28:57

news came out. But I think

28:59

the performances of late maybe aren't what he

29:01

can give us for a full season. I

29:03

can see why the club have made a

29:05

decision they have. Lots of fans are out

29:08

there now saying, give him a new

29:10

deal, give him a new deal. There's much side for nostalgia and

29:12

for how good he's playing right now, want to give him a

29:14

new deal. Maybe it's not the

29:16

right decision. I'm not the one to make

29:18

that decision. I mean, I'd love to put a

29:20

contract in front of him now and make

29:22

him sign it, but... that's the decision the club

29:24

have made, we've just got to trust that

29:26

and hopefully make some sense in the summer. Wayne,

29:28

are we going to miss in the Premier

29:30

League one of the greatest midfielder players? Yes. He's

29:33

been incredible. I agree. I think City have got

29:35

to make the decision and they have. And

29:39

I think it's probably the right time. He's our best ever

29:41

player. It's the right time, I think, for them to make

29:43

that decision. I think now with financial

29:45

fair play, you can just keep a player at

29:47

the football club for what he's done. And

29:50

I'm sure he wants to play City, obviously

29:52

going after him, so I can replace him. But

29:55

in terms of a player over the last, you know,

29:57

was it 10 years? He's been there. It's

29:59

incredible. And very

30:01

similar, in my opinion, just

30:03

a little bit ahead in terms of attacking points

30:05

for you to Stevie. Similar

30:07

traits towards Stevie. Stevie was more

30:09

of an all -round player, but I

30:12

think in that attacking third, it was

30:14

incredible. OK. Obviously,

30:16

we've just said he's one of the greatest

30:18

players. We've seen in the Premier League, you've said

30:20

he's the greatest ever player. You said in

30:22

an attacking sense, he's maybe just got the edge

30:24

on Steven Gerrard. I mean, where do we

30:26

all think where Kevin De Bruyne lies in terms

30:28

of, if we're picking an all -time Premier League

30:30

11 in your head, does Kevin

30:33

De Bruyne get in it? And if he

30:35

does, raise your hand. Yeah.

30:37

Yeah. Oh!

30:40

I don't know. Yeah,

30:42

I'll pull him in, yeah. Adam

30:45

hasn't got him in. embarrassing,

30:47

mate. How? It's embarrassing. How

30:49

is it embarrassing? He quite comfortably gets in. Who's

30:52

getting in? What three midfielders are going in front

30:54

of him? Well, Paul Scholes is ahead of him,

30:56

in my opinion. If you're

30:58

playing two attacking midfielders, I think there's plenty more.

31:00

You're stumbling, just saying that name. I'd probably

31:02

pick Roy Keane, ahead of him. Different

31:04

midfielders again. Gerrard,

31:06

probably, ahead of him.

31:08

I think he's a fantastic player, but I

31:10

think you say you think he's the... After

31:12

Armoury, the biggest import to the Premier League,

31:15

I just can't agree with that at all.

31:17

Just don't agree with it. I think people are going too

31:19

far. Everything nowadays has to be the

31:22

best, innit? I'm not sure about

31:24

that, because you just said Skulls and Gerrard

31:26

and... No, but that's how everything is reported. Van

31:28

Dyke's the greatest centre -back ever, Salah's this and

31:30

that and... You've got a problem with Liverpool,

31:32

haven't you? Kevin De Bruyne doesn't

31:34

play for... Well, I've got a problem with

31:36

Liverpool, yeah. You know, they've gone seven years

31:38

with Emily City. But I think it depends

31:40

on influence as well, and influence, like, in

31:42

my opinion... Cantona was unbelievable in terms of,

31:44

as a player, but in terms of the

31:46

influence he had on that group of young

31:48

players at the time, I think you have

31:50

to look at the influence of which a

31:52

player has. Zola, Bear Camp, players

31:54

like that who were incredible players. So does that...

31:56

Listen, you could have to bring it in

31:58

or not have to bring it in, I think

32:01

there's that many players to choose from. I

32:03

don't think you're right or wrong for having them

32:05

in, but... I think what you said there,

32:07

I think probably sums up a little bit of

32:09

it. I think... We always

32:11

think of those three, Kant and

32:13

Azor, they felt like the first, didn't

32:15

they? Almost like they built the Premier

32:17

League in terms of foreign players. You

32:19

think of mid -90s, I think of those

32:21

players. And I

32:24

think we look back on that, listen,

32:26

there are three legends of the Premier

32:28

League. And I think

32:30

when we compare them to players now, we always

32:32

think of them and no one's got a bad

32:34

way to say about them, rightly so. But

32:36

those three players are talking about. their

32:40

teams never won the champion, you know what I

32:42

mean? I don't know if we take it for granted,

32:44

I would say like, so what Canton I did,

32:46

but we all know that United team found it tough,

32:48

they were getting used to Europe, Canton I was

32:50

probably never himself in Europe, but like, used comfortably, were

32:52

getting to semi -finals and winning it and getting to

32:54

a final. Kevin De Bruyne's won the

32:56

Champions League. We expect our teams

32:58

to win the Champions League now, but in those days in

33:00

the early 90s, mid 90s, it was all just about

33:02

the Premier League and there was foreign players and it was

33:04

new and it was flashing, it was amazing. But

33:07

those players never achieved what players did

33:09

10 or 15 years later in terms of

33:11

being the best players in the world

33:13

or being the best world.

33:15

I think that's because the Premier League's

33:17

come on that much and Serie A

33:19

has dropped. The

33:22

league is probably nowhere near as good as

33:24

what it was. So I think there's a

33:26

reason for that as well, why that's happening.

33:28

If you look at Sabrina, in

33:30

my opinion David Silva is right up

33:32

there as well. From what

33:34

he'd done, you looked at that team, you've got Silver,

33:37

Dubuna, Aguero, you've got some

33:39

unbelievable players, established players in that team.

33:41

What was saying about Cantonite is he

33:43

had a groupie of players who'd come

33:45

in and he was a massive influence

33:47

on them players, which then obviously he

33:49

weren't there for the Champions League when

33:51

they won it, but the influence we

33:53

had in helping them get to that

33:55

level, I think that's why I think

33:57

Cantonite was... There were times as well with Eric

33:59

where we could only play three foreign players,

34:01

which included the Irish lads as well, so... You

34:03

couldn't always play, you know, like Schmeichel was

34:05

being left out at times, Cantona was being left

34:07

out. You just think of that Barcelona game

34:09

away, aren't you? Which one? The

34:12

4 -0 one. Yeah,

34:14

but still, I just think, when you look at

34:16

like Cantona, you look at his legacy as well.

34:18

I think it does get forgotten quite easy. You

34:20

look at, he won the league at Leeds, and

34:22

then he won it every year. The only year

34:24

we did it was when he was suspended for

34:26

kicking a fan, so... His legacy, I think, will

34:28

just live on for a long, long time. And

34:30

we probably don't go on to achieve what we

34:33

did after. Like I said, he was a great

34:35

leader. You said no to

34:37

De Bruyne. You said yes. Rather

34:39

than going through your full 11 way, who would you

34:41

be in midfield three then, and who would be yours? If

34:45

you've got a man and you haven't. I'd

34:49

go Keane Scholes and De Bruyne.

34:52

No, Steve, you're right, no. Keane

34:57

Scholes, Vieira. If it was

34:59

a three. Skulls, yeah. Well,

35:01

I'd probably go 4 -4 -2, just keep it

35:03

old Mike Bassett route. But

35:06

you actually want to set to the old team. It

35:09

changed the old time. Waz is in it. The skull's going

35:11

on the left. Waz is in it now, now. Skulls, you've

35:14

been in the middle of a midfield three. You've

35:16

been in a 4 -4 -2. Oh, sorry,

35:18

4 -4 -2. If I played a 4 -4 -2,

35:20

be Keane, Skulls, Beckham, Giggs. You're

35:29

not a better midfielder than that, it?

35:31

Yeah, okay, listen, that's opinions, isn't it?

35:34

Greg, FA Cup semi -final obviously against

35:36

Manchester City. You beat them a few weeks

35:38

ago as well. How confident are you? It

35:42

just, like you were talking about,

35:44

man, you being good in cups, it's like seasoned

35:47

at it, aren't they? So, it

35:49

feels strange, feels strange being in

35:51

that group of... now but

35:53

yeah we of course we can be and

35:55

we've been before we like the big pictures

35:57

now and yeah it's just going be a

35:59

it's going to be a good day for

36:01

a celebration of how we've come. I'm going

36:03

to ask you I know you're going to

36:06

say you won both I get that but

36:08

if someone could offer you one now Champions

36:10

League football or winning the FA Cup? Champions

36:12

League I just think I think the Champions

36:14

League I'm surprised you said that the Champions

36:16

League will put us to a place where

36:18

we can win FA Cups in the future.

36:20

It won't. It will. The money, the way

36:23

our owner is. We talk about ambition. This

36:25

isn't just a fluke. This isn't just,

36:27

oh, we've had a good season. When we

36:29

got promoted, he said this would happen

36:31

when he was in the middle of the

36:33

square. And he said, this isn't

36:35

the end. This is the beginning. We're going

36:38

to get champions league football. We're going to win

36:40

trophies. And this is what we're

36:42

seeing. You

36:47

have to sell one of them. He's got three. He's

36:49

got three teams. Don't worry about that. It's

36:52

all sort of my worry. I

36:55

have to not pull you up. Listen,

36:57

I love the fact that you... I

36:59

would love the FA Cup. I would

37:01

love to go through the market square

37:03

with that in your hands. It'd be

37:05

incredible. I just think there's been... Forget

37:07

this big six. There is no big

37:09

six anymore. I hope that has finished

37:12

this idea. But what I would say

37:14

is... I think it's difficult, it's

37:16

very, it bars us there with everything. So, everything

37:18

got into the Champions League probably 20 years

37:20

ago and you think it's gonna, it doesn't happen

37:22

again. Ville got in last year, might

37:25

just miss out this year. Newcastle got in with

37:27

RDR, think they've had a couple of out. seasons

37:29

out now. You might always be challenged. I think

37:31

if you're a musician, you're challenging for Europe every

37:33

year. That would be amazing. But I think this

37:35

idea that once you're in the Champions League, this

37:37

is us seven years. I said that

37:39

will happen. the squad we will build. Look

37:41

at Aston Villa's Tuesday. What about all the

37:43

other teams in the Champions League as well?

37:45

Yeah, exactly. We'll be in that group. Like,

37:47

of course I'd love to win the FA

37:50

Cup, but you can't... but you've been that beautiful

37:52

one year, and then... Look at Wigan. Forrest

37:54

won qualifiers champs league. Wigan, Leicester, Portsmouth, they've all

37:56

won the FA Cup in the last 20

37:58

years. Look at them now. I know,

38:00

you could go down, and one day, I can

38:02

assure you, you're not going to Forrest will go

38:04

down again, it's just... It's like Leicester won the

38:06

Premier League, then they're in the Champions League,

38:08

then they've had two relegations in the last three

38:11

years. So, I think the Champions League, as

38:13

good as it is to play in

38:15

and be involved in... I just think you

38:17

better build in your squad first, because

38:19

I think that can give you false hope.

38:21

You better build in your squad to

38:24

get into it so you're capable of competing

38:26

in it. I think if Fodder's going,

38:28

I think they're going to get knocked out

38:30

fairly quickly, in my opinion. But

38:33

winning FA Cup, having that

38:35

history... I completely get it, and

38:37

you're asking me two questions

38:39

that have incredible outcomes. It's

38:41

not like that, but I'm 40 years old.

38:43

I've never been to the San Siro. I

38:45

want to go to these places, I want

38:47

to follow my team around Europe, back to

38:49

Wembley. Can I just ask, I mean, listen,

38:51

we're asking you a question, that's your answer,

38:53

so who are we to argue? We have

38:56

arguments about it, but really, we shouldn't be,

38:58

because that's how you say it. But what

39:00

I'm saying is, if most of you are

39:02

in here, and what

39:04

would you just be like, and I'm not

39:06

going to list... Liverpool or

39:08

you're expected to be in the Champions League

39:10

and you know if... I think you should

39:12

ask though. What if Liverpool weren't in the

39:14

Champions League? What I'm saying is if you're

39:16

a club who isn't used to sort of

39:18

always being in the Champions League or always

39:20

being in an FA Cup final and if

39:22

it's one or the other... If it's one

39:24

or the other. It's an FA Cup. We

39:26

would have loved to go to the FA

39:29

Cup, even semi -finals. It was gutted. Yeah, that

39:31

would have been... Should have all tried harder

39:33

then. I've travelled all over

39:35

Europe, watching Spurs play in the Champions League

39:37

and Europa League, and it would definitely

39:39

be the occasion of winning an FA Cup.

39:41

I remember the trips because they were

39:43

nice, but they just gained a football. Winning

39:45

in an FA Cup is... Your name's

39:47

on the FA Cup forever. Yeah. It's already

39:49

on there, twice. Wrong, Greg. Yeah, I

39:51

know. Like, it is the Champions League. We're

39:53

not into that question again, Greg. Well,

39:56

like, in ten years' time... It might

39:58

be a pub quiz. We're not going to

40:00

play the kids on Sunday, put it

40:02

that way. It's not like they've got my

40:04

opinion. If it had to be one

40:06

or the other, for me, it's Champions League.

40:08

You could fix English football by giving

40:10

the FA Cup winner that fifth Champions League

40:13

spot. I think that would do so

40:15

much. Well, you could fix English football by...

40:17

I think there's too many teams anyway

40:19

in the Champions League. I think four's too

40:21

much. The FA Cup lost a bit

40:23

of its... when Man United decided to

40:25

not go in it. Hold on

40:27

a minute. a myth. Hold

40:29

on a minute. That's a myth. a myth. a

40:31

you play FA Cup semifinals, at

40:33

the same time where Liverpool are

40:36

going to win the league, you

40:38

ask me about how big the FA Cup

40:40

is. It's not me diluting it. It's like the

40:42

other things that happen there, which makes fans

40:44

go, it's all about Champions League. If we're that

40:46

serious about the FA Cup, make it as

40:49

big as it was. But what about you? Like,

40:51

if it's me, I wouldn't have done the

40:53

FA Cup first. I agree. I get it, yeah.

40:55

But one year, one year, Greg, honestly. Also,

40:57

you've been to your wrong league. I get it.

40:59

It's still being you. One year doesn't change

41:01

you into a Champions League. You're not, yeah. I

41:03

don't believe it, honestly. I haven't got him

41:05

one year, I'd be thinking, can we? building like

41:07

that's why I'm really impressed with Villa they

41:09

got in and they might get in again that's

41:11

when you go right they are sure to

41:13

getting in that I think when the FA Cup

41:15

and build you've got that having you know

41:17

one can take it off and well that you're

41:19

40 yeah so how many FA Cups have

41:21

you seen for us win? Well,

41:24

I saw us get cheated out. No, no, no. Don't

41:30

bring up that now. No, we've

41:32

won five, but we've won more for

41:34

30 years. I'd swap. I

41:36

remember it. Was it 96? 95. 95,

41:39

really? Yeah. So it

41:41

made me like... I was there, yeah. So

41:43

the FA Cup was the only... As a fan, it's

41:45

the only trophy I've seen I've ever won. Yeah. Don't

41:48

forget the charity shield a few months later

41:51

against Black Bear. Samwise. Yeah, but that's another point,

41:53

actually. You win the FA Cup, then a

41:55

community shield against you guys. So, as a player,

41:57

I can tell you from a player's point

41:59

of view, we lost final on penalties to Arsenal,

42:02

then we lost in next time to

42:04

Chelsea. The FA Cup was always

42:06

something which I was desperate to win, and

42:08

then we went down against Palace

42:10

when Padre was doing the dance. I

42:12

was captain. And that feeling

42:15

of walking up the steps at Wembley and lifting

42:17

the FA Cup, It's miles

42:19

bigger than when I've lifted

42:21

the Premier League trophy or

42:23

the Champions League. That feeling

42:25

of FA Cup, it's historically, you

42:28

know, it's such a good

42:30

feeling for a player. So

42:32

for fans, it must be... So

42:34

the stage you won the FA

42:36

Cup was probably towards the end of

42:38

your career. You'd won everything

42:41

before that. You know, your Champions League, your

42:43

league, probably World Club Cup. Was that

42:45

like always at the back of your mind? Because people don't say

42:47

to me, you don't know you have won the league. Someone

42:49

asked me a question the other day about 2

42:51

-1. Real fading and I didn't win the FA

42:53

Cup. I couldn't believe it. I didn't know. You

42:55

know what I mean? So what I'm saying is,

42:57

was that on your mind, even though you've won

42:59

everything, you're thinking, I've got to

43:01

get an FA Cup before the finish? Because

43:04

the FA Cup was always, as a

43:06

fan, was always something which you're hoping your

43:08

team can go to quarter -final, semi -final

43:10

and then obviously to see you haven't won

43:12

it. In 1995, it was such a

43:14

big occasion, something which always sticks with me

43:16

and driving back to Croxton and going

43:19

into the pub with my parents and all

43:21

family, them celebrations, something which always lives

43:23

with you and then to win it as

43:25

captain as well. I remember

43:27

we had two parties where I wanted to

43:29

play as my family, I wanted the commercial

43:31

team and they tried to take the FA

43:33

Cup to the commercial team after the game,

43:35

so I have no chance. So

43:38

I've kept it, took it to our party and

43:40

always remember I took it to my room at the

43:42

time me two boys they were in bed asleep

43:44

and I put it in between them and they slept

43:47

in the bed with the FAQ and then I

43:49

give them back the next day. I

43:52

think it's got that much history around

43:54

it, and I used to love the build

43:56

-up, know, when you're younger and it's on

43:58

foul. I think the build -up, it follows

44:00

the bus. Following the buses, all that.

44:02

It's like, it's been diluted. It's definitely been

44:04

diluted. winning it in 2016, didn't

44:06

ya? Ed and La Carche shot off the line. But

44:09

they've had to wait 30 years for that. Never let

44:11

it go. Never gonna let it go. Right,

44:21

Dave, Wolves fan, welcome back. Thank

44:23

you. You're on absolute fire at the moment. The

44:25

manager's coming in and doing absolutely brilliant, hasn't he?

44:27

I mean, five wins on the bounce. How are

44:29

you feeling? Good, good. It's nice to

44:31

be... I honestly thought, last time I was on

44:33

here, just before Christmas, was when he just got

44:35

appointed. Obviously, we were talking about the car crash

44:37

interview that he had on Skybat, every time, a

44:39

few years ago. And I think there were a

44:41

lot of Wolves fans a little bit cautious about

44:44

him coming in, but... he got off to a

44:46

good start, had a bit of a sticky patch,

44:48

but yeah, he's really kicking on now. And it's

44:50

nice to have a bit of momentum to go

44:52

into the end of the season. Obviously, overall, it's

44:54

not been a great campaign, but if we can

44:56

go into a new season with all this momentum,

44:58

hopefully it shows the owners can back him a

45:00

little bit more and really push on and build

45:02

next year. The last few years, it's always felt

45:04

like it's been a non -event for the last

45:06

few weeks, but under Vittor, look, we're safe now,

45:08

but we just want to continue this winning run

45:10

and we can do that. Is there a little

45:12

bit, I'm just thinking back to Sosa Lopatigi came

45:14

in. and had a big impact at Wolves, and

45:16

he just loved him as a manager. And

45:18

then he was going again really quickly. Are you worried because

45:21

he's done so well in the Premier League that other clubs

45:23

might be looking at him? Not just in England, but abroad

45:25

as well. Possibly. I think the

45:27

Lopperteggie situation was that he wanted to stay, but

45:29

it just didn't get backed enough by the owners.

45:32

And it was a weird relationship with Lopperteggie because

45:34

he was such a... at the time such

45:36

a... world -class manager almost, it was a really

45:38

good appointment for Wolves. And then his season ended

45:40

up quite, you know, there was a

45:42

few poor results, heavy defeats against Arsenal on the final

45:44

day. I don't know,

45:46

I think one of the main reasons Vitor

45:49

has probably come here is because, you know,

45:51

Premier League is a hugely, like Wayne said

45:53

earlier, the best in the world at the

45:55

moment, I would say. So in terms of

45:57

a manager's reputation, it's brilliant, but... something about

45:59

in the relationship with the fans. He's going

46:01

to the pubs after the game to meet

46:03

the fans. It's just unbelievable. Never seen that

46:05

with a manager before. So the relationship is

46:07

there. never,

46:14

I've never seen like just going to a WebEx

46:16

after the game, just have pictures of fans like going

46:18

out. It's amazing and there's a lot of comparisons

46:20

to Nuno. I mean, you know, you would have seen,

46:23

you know, had a great relationship with Nuno and

46:25

the Forrest fans, but this is something really, really different.

46:27

And I think when you're getting that relationship with

46:29

the fans off the pitch, they're going to support you

46:31

on the pitch. And I think it's been a

46:33

huge help over the last few weeks. Yeah,

46:37

Paul said he's joining Manchester United in

46:39

the summer. I mean, how good is he?

46:41

Do you think you can cope without

46:43

him? I think so. I

46:45

mean, the winning run, four of the

46:48

five wins were without him, or

46:50

five of the six unbeaten were without

46:52

him. So I think it was

46:54

refreshing, I think, to see us play

46:56

so well and win football matches

46:58

without him. There's no denying he's an

47:01

unbelievable footballer, but off the pitch, I

47:03

think some of the things that he's doing

47:05

on social media and so on. We had

47:07

a little spat me and couldn't run on

47:09

social media where just you and him. Yeah,

47:12

you're not sitting Oh It was just I've

47:14

reported on somebody said and he didn't like

47:16

that the fact that I was talking about

47:18

it So we had a little back and

47:20

forth of him and thankfully all walls fans

47:22

are sort of on my side of it

47:24

But I think just off the pitch. It's

47:26

just it's really really weird unbelievable footballer, but

47:28

as a club in walls position where At

47:30

the moment, look, we're not fighting for the

47:32

European places or whatever. We've just got

47:34

to hope that we've got 11 players on the

47:36

pitch that want to give it their all. And at

47:38

times, I don't see that with Kunja. And when it's

47:40

a soap opera every other week, off the pitch,

47:42

that's a little bit of a concern. I

47:44

think Vito would think the same as well. Yes,

47:47

fantastic footballer, but we want 11 players on

47:49

the pitch that are going to let their talk,

47:51

you know, do their talking on the pitch. Wayne,

47:53

Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne,

47:56

Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne,

47:58

Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne,

48:03

Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, enjoy

48:09

when players are interacting. As

48:11

you said, the manager going down, having

48:13

a drink with fans, players interacting on social

48:15

media, the fans enjoying. There has to

48:17

be a line, of course, that

48:19

you can't cross. I get it, if I was

48:21

like being used to this world. I

48:24

think what happens, players get

48:26

frustrated as well, because there is

48:28

that many, I know, first -hand,

48:30

the amount of abuse players get

48:32

from people who don't even watch

48:34

games and stuff. It's

48:36

important that you try not to react to that.

48:38

And that's why a lot of players now don't

48:40

control the social media and they have people doing

48:42

it for them from that point of view. So

48:45

I think you just have to have the balance,

48:47

right? I saw something on social media,

48:49

I think it was two days ago. It was the anniversary

48:51

of your, was it your tweet today? Joe,

48:54

I had no, I had real

48:56

kept saying to everyone about going on Twitter, had

48:58

no idea what it was. And

49:00

I just, like Joe,

49:03

I think of... I've written to

49:05

myself as well. I've written

49:08

to myself. Mr Bean as

49:10

well. He did a tweet about Mr Bean.

49:12

He's put Mr Bean. Yeah. That

49:14

was it. Your finger sandwich was another

49:16

good one. Yeah, I've had a few. But

49:20

anyway, get back to Konya. How good do you

49:22

think he is? And is he good enough for

49:24

Manchester United? Is that a step in the right

49:26

direction? I think there's a lot of

49:28

players good enough for Manchester United at the minute. No,

49:31

I think he's a top

49:33

player. For Man United it's

49:35

difficult to, because a

49:37

lot of players have gone there with

49:40

ability and reputation and have struggled

49:42

over the last few years. So it's

49:44

difficult to think what United at

49:46

the minute need to do is really

49:48

identify a core group of players

49:50

who can help sustain the club over

49:53

the next two or three years. Instead

49:55

of going for what you've done the past

49:57

with Lukaku, with Pogba, with Zlatan, going

50:00

for Superstars and Names, which I don't think Cunha is at

50:02

that level at the minute. They

50:05

need to really get a plus

50:07

financial fair play at United as well.

50:09

So the recruitment has to be

50:11

miles better than what it has been

50:13

and they have to identify group

50:15

of players. Bit of what Liverpool have

50:17

done over the last few years

50:20

and trying to get players into gradually

50:22

getting back at United back. Adam,

50:24

I just want to ask you about

50:26

Cunha as well. But also, does

50:28

it worry you that prayer

50:30

has come in? Wolves

50:32

and Amorant at Manchester United both play

50:35

in a similar system. And

50:37

they've got an inferior squad, Wolves to

50:39

Manchester United, and he's made sort of... It's

50:41

a big attain around, basically. mean, it's

50:43

obviously not ideal when you look at this

50:45

cold hard fax and the stats towards

50:47

it all, but I do think, like, when

50:49

you look at the squad, the players

50:51

that we have, they're not suited to the

50:53

system that the manager wants to play. You

50:56

could say, does he need to adapt to

50:58

the players that he has to get better

51:00

results? which you could argue, but then it's

51:02

kind of like, does he change his

51:04

culture, his philosophy and all that kind of stuff for

51:06

players that aren't going to be there for that long?

51:08

I think he's got a balancing act with that. It's

51:10

been good to see us introducing some of the younger

51:12

players into it, because I think if we're going to

51:14

use this time in the league, the league games mean

51:16

nothing at the moment. So if we're going to use

51:18

them, at least use them to give some players some

51:20

minutes and give some to try and discover whether some of

51:22

these younger players are good enough or not. I

51:25

agree with what Jim Ratcliffe said when he looked

51:27

at the squad because of... and stuff that have been

51:29

here when he got here, the manager.

51:32

He's hardly, like, you look at our spending

51:34

and stuff and you go, they're spending a

51:36

lot of money, the wage bill's quite high,

51:38

but then the actual players that he's got

51:40

to use, it doesn't reflect in those players,

51:42

the wage bill and stuff. So I think

51:44

it's not ideal. I think we've lost about

51:46

15 or 16 league games. You never want

51:48

to be in that kind of position. And

51:50

you don't want to be in a position

51:52

where you just write enough league games for

51:54

fun. It's like at

51:56

the weekend against Wolves. I thought we were

51:58

probably the better team should have taken

52:00

our chances. You've got a goalkeeper who I

52:02

don't think he trusts and you've got

52:04

a number nine who couldn't hit a barn

52:07

door at the moment. I keep, I've

52:09

tried to keep faith with what Rasmus

52:11

Hoyland is doing as a young striker, kind

52:13

of learning his trade in a difficult

52:15

environment. Like when Wayne come through, he's got

52:18

leaders around him. He's got obviously a

52:20

settled manager, a settled team, a club. and

52:22

players coming through at the moment haven't

52:24

got any of that, but he doesn't

52:27

do the basics. As a striker, like

52:29

his movement's poor, he's not trying to

52:31

get onto the end of things, and

52:33

I just feel if we did have

52:35

a striker, maybe a few of the

52:37

results would be different, but you've got

52:39

to get... I think... I understand what

52:41

you're saying, but I think for Manchester

52:44

United, the football club, over the next

52:46

few years didn't need to attract players.

52:48

to the football club. So when you're

52:50

losing games of football and you're relying

52:52

on obviously the rope league now to

52:54

get into the Champions League, if

52:57

Man United don't win that and don't finish

52:59

in the Champions League, then if I

53:01

put my players that on, I'm looking at it. I save for

53:03

Man United because of Alex Ferguson. Man

53:06

United at the time, we're going through a transition

53:08

period as well, but I knew that Alex Ferguson

53:10

would get that right. So if

53:12

I'm a player now and I'm thinking Man United come in

53:14

for me, I'd be looking at thinking Well,

53:16

the manager hasn't done great since he's

53:18

gone in there, the losing games. Do

53:22

we see this moving forward? And

53:24

that's what I'd be looking at. Then

53:26

you've got teams who are, you

53:28

know, Villars, Newcastle, who are coming up

53:30

and challenging. And so as a

53:32

player, that would be my container as

53:34

a Man United fan now as well, is

53:36

I think you still need to go on

53:38

time with football games. It's important. You can't

53:40

just write off games in the Premier League

53:42

because you want to win the Europa League.

53:44

And you need that momentum as well. To

53:46

switch it, you know, to switch

53:48

it from losing games to then going win

53:50

games is very difficult. So I think, in

53:53

my opinion, Man United should be playing the

53:55

strongest team. I know I get playing kids

53:57

or bring one, one in, or give a

53:59

young player the last 20 minutes. But the

54:01

importance of winning football games, going into the

54:03

semi -final, going into the final, hopefully, and

54:06

that building on to

54:08

attack players, I think

54:10

this is a really important few weeks

54:12

now for Manchester United. I think

54:14

it has to be managed, right? Otherwise... Yeah,

54:16

if we go out on the eighth, if

54:19

we go out suddenly the season, just

54:21

everyone starts talking, the headlines are a

54:23

little bit bigger, but I can't see

54:25

the sense in kind of sticking with,

54:27

you know, Ericsson, like, why do we

54:29

need to see him play? We know he's

54:31

leaving into summer, maybe try something different

54:33

in there. Same with Hoylund, we get the

54:36

feeling this kind of experiments over now,

54:38

so why not give... cheedle a few

54:40

minutes, see if he can adapt and be

54:42

a partner squad. We saw Harry Amas

54:44

being getting some minutes, Frederikson at the

54:46

back. I'd rather see

54:48

us put some faith in the youth than

54:50

some of the players that have let us down.

54:52

But he's not going to do that for

54:54

the final. Yeah, he's not going to. So in

54:56

my opinion, it's more important that Hoelund gets

54:58

minutes, for instance, and hopefully gets two or three

55:00

goals, and gets a bit of confidence,

55:02

because Hoelund or Zerke, one of them is going to

55:05

play probably. in the final,

55:07

so the importance of them getting momentum

55:09

and confidence back before the final or

55:11

going into the semi -finals is more

55:13

important for this period in time. The

55:15

youngsters will get their opportunities, but in

55:17

this period, the youngsters might come in

55:19

and then get left out, not even

55:21

in the squad for the Europa League,

55:23

so getting confidence into players now is

55:25

really, you should be focusing, in my

55:27

opinion, on what is team going to

55:29

be for the semi -final and how can

55:31

I get confidence into this group of

55:33

players. a group of 14

55:35

players, if you like, he needs to focus

55:37

on them, in my opinion, rather than leaving players

55:39

out, bringing young players in, then flipping it

55:41

again, it's so hard. think he's in a weird

55:43

position though, because ideally he does that when

55:45

we're losing so many players to injuries, yeah,

55:48

yeah. And then Xerxes out for the rest of

55:50

the season now, just when he's not scored

55:52

too many goals, but he's just kind of picking

55:54

up some form and he's out. And I

55:56

think there's the fear that if you do that

55:58

in the games, in the league games, and

56:00

you lose a few of them, then... We

56:03

haven't gotten an 11 for the

56:05

final. Obviously, that's always a fail over

56:07

there. Are you confident

56:09

about Bilbao? Honestly,

56:12

I don't know. If United could go

56:15

and roll them over or could

56:17

get beat by two or three, that's

56:19

where they're at. You don't know. I

56:21

hope so. I really hope so. There was

56:24

a really worrying period. In the

56:26

grand scheme of things against Lyon over

56:28

both legs, I thought most of the time

56:30

we were the better team. But when

56:32

our heads went, our heads really, really went.

56:34

And in that period where they got

56:36

back into the game, even with ten men

56:38

starting controlling it, there was some

56:40

alarming things there. And if we do have a spell

56:42

like that against Bill Bow, they'll

56:45

beat us. Like, they will beat us. I

56:47

don't see us being let off the hook

56:49

against them. And if we get into the

56:51

final... No hesitation at all. No problem. Spears

56:54

don't beat us in the final. Neither

56:56

of you will be there. I know. Well,

56:59

don't, Bill Bow. Livy,

57:07

I said at the top of the

57:09

show that you'd have your chance to come

57:12

back at Gareth over Sayonair, he'd love

57:14

a Liverpool to side. How does it feel

57:16

after having such a brilliant season being

57:18

on this sort of journey, it feels that

57:20

everyone's sort of looking at your club

57:22

and thinking, your players are linked to

57:24

it with other clubs constantly day in, day

57:26

out. How do you find that as a supporter?

57:29

Yeah, I mean, we're just enjoying it. To be

57:31

honest with you, I'm just loving it. This

57:33

season's been amazing. So I'm just enjoying it. I

57:35

don't want to start worrying too much about

57:37

the future because I just want to enjoy what's

57:39

happening now. And I think,

57:41

you know, we've got such an ambitious owner

57:43

now. You know, he's got such big

57:45

plans. He's got a good strategy. Our

57:48

recruitment is really, really good. So we're sort

57:50

of like almost our model is to be

57:52

a bit of a platform club where we're

57:54

bringing in these young players, giving them exposure

57:56

in the Premier League. bringing

57:58

on our academy lads as well and

58:00

I think we've got a good succession

58:02

planning so whilst I'll be really sad

58:04

you know to lose some of these

58:06

players I'm realistic and I've got faith

58:08

that there's a bigger plan and you

58:11

know I want them all to go

58:13

on and do well and I'm just

58:15

grateful for what they've all done for

58:17

us this season basically. You

58:19

know your club and your team and players

58:21

better than any of us you know we watch

58:23

games watch highlights here and there I mean

58:25

who is the real standout? At Bournemouth, who's sort

58:27

of the star that you think of? There's

58:29

one that we can try and keep hold of,

58:31

because he is really special. I love to

58:33

watch him for another 12 months. Yeah, I mean,

58:36

Hauson is out of this world. He's amazing,

58:38

and given he's so young, obviously

58:40

he's a really solid defender, good

58:42

with the ball. He pushes forward with the ball

58:44

as well for a sense back. He

58:47

really, really stands out. I fear we probably will

58:49

lose him because of that, but yeah, he's

58:51

a joy to watch. What's the feel around the

58:53

manager? It is there, because I mean, you

58:55

need things he's been linked with the clubs. I

58:57

get that, but there was something came out,

58:59

I think, a couple of weeks ago that he's

59:01

almost thinking now he wants to have another

59:03

12 months at least at Bournemouth. Who wouldn't want

59:05

to stay in Bournemouth? You've got the sea,

59:07

you've got the beach, he likes his cycling, he's

59:09

walking, you know, why would he go anywhere

59:11

else? I think there's, like

59:13

I said, we've got an ambitious

59:15

owner and all the plans have

59:18

Irola at the centre of them

59:20

and he's got empowerment, you know,

59:22

he's... culture that the owners kind

59:24

of breathing across the whole club

59:26

is really, really positive. So I

59:28

think there's loads of reasons for

59:30

him to stay. You know, he's

59:33

got autonomies left to get on

59:35

and do the job. And

59:37

also, you know, we complain as Bournemouth fans

59:39

a bit sometimes about being a small club,

59:41

you know, and you were saying that the

59:43

big six doesn't exist anymore. Well, that's music

59:45

to our ears. I think sometimes it's an

59:47

advantage for us because we go a little

59:49

bit under the radar so our manager can,

59:51

you know, just get left to go on

59:54

with it. there's not as much scrutiny and

59:56

sort of external pressure as there is like

59:58

Spurs, Man United, et cetera. And,

1:00:00

you know, I think maybe that's a real

1:00:02

advantage. You know, he's meeting with

1:00:04

the owner supposedly this week, so we'll

1:00:06

see what happens. I suppose you can't

1:00:08

allow for that opportunity that just comes

1:00:10

along. They offer him more money. Would

1:00:13

he take that? Only he knows that. But I

1:00:15

think there's loads of reasons for him to stay at

1:00:17

Bournemouth for sure. Baz? I mean,

1:00:19

thinking about Bournemouth and you think of wherever

1:00:21

now, right now, and you think of the teams,

1:00:24

know, you think that's who you've been really tough

1:00:26

for ever. You see teams like Bournemouth, you

1:00:28

know, really chasing European players. That gives you a

1:00:30

little bit of hope going forward into the

1:00:32

new stage and David Moyes in charge as well.

1:00:35

You know, the good times might be coming

1:00:37

back in the future. Good

1:00:40

times, interesting phrase, but

1:00:42

yeah, definitely, I think. I'll

1:00:44

change it if you want. No, no. Great

1:00:46

times, it'll be nice. We've

1:00:48

only lost 3 in 14 since

1:00:50

Moïse coming and that's, you know, from

1:00:52

where we hadn't scored and nine

1:00:54

at the previous 11 before he took

1:00:56

over. I think the city was

1:00:58

the third game we hadn't scored and,

1:01:00

you know, we should have. But,

1:01:02

yeah, I think with everything that's gone

1:01:04

on, the owners and another billionaires

1:01:07

joined this week to the board and

1:01:09

things like that, I think they're

1:01:11

getting all the backroom stuff in place.

1:01:13

I think... forward, David Moyer has

1:01:15

shown that if you actually try to

1:01:17

win games of football, you win

1:01:19

some, rather than just being terrified, sitting

1:01:21

in your own box. I think

1:01:23

that's been a plus. And

1:01:25

I think if you look at

1:01:27

Everton's squad, I think the

1:01:29

defence plays like a Champions League,

1:01:31

that in terms of goals conceded, it's

1:01:33

up there with that midfield. middle

1:01:35

of the table. I think the forward area is

1:01:38

a sort of bottom three. If you

1:01:40

break down the numbers and stuff, we just

1:01:42

don't score enough goals. There's no goals there.

1:01:44

And that's going to be the big sort

1:01:46

of thing, Evan. I've got a shot out

1:01:48

over the sum and David Moyes. But what

1:01:50

he's done is he's given us, well, he's

1:01:52

certainly given me the confidence that, you know,

1:01:54

he will get it right as in, he'll

1:01:56

make Evan. higher, put

1:01:59

everything higher up the table and go off

1:02:01

the teams like Bournemouth and Brighton and teams

1:02:03

like that and try to get into that

1:02:05

next package and be done overnight but for

1:02:07

once you haven't enough some money to spend

1:02:09

this summer. Well that's, you know, we're looking

1:02:11

ahead to next season but the big thing

1:02:13

for Everton right now is that, you know,

1:02:15

the final game at Goddison, it's a 12

1:02:17

o 'clock kick -off. What are

1:02:19

you thinking? There's a lot of talk about

1:02:21

when you wanted the game, what time you

1:02:23

wanted the game is. Does that work for

1:02:25

you? Everton fans happy with that? I think...

1:02:27

To be honest you, football fans might have

1:02:29

had a time to kick off, but I

1:02:31

think the biggest thing it seemed to be

1:02:33

from the fan base and talking to you

1:02:35

about our show and stuff was not the

1:02:37

Monday, anything but the Monday. Anything

1:02:39

but character on Monday night club.

1:02:41

No, no! It's the after

1:02:43

bit, isn't it? Oh, you're going for a bevy

1:02:45

and all that. But I think 12 o 'clock,

1:02:47

listen, it means people who like your bevy

1:02:50

can bevy all day. You're in

1:02:52

that camp, aren't you? And me? I don't

1:02:54

drink. You know, I'm just getting my

1:02:56

match back, I'm going have a coffee, I'll be all right. No,

1:02:58

I think, listen, it's going to be

1:03:00

a strange day, I think, thinking

1:03:04

of just saying to somebody before we start.

1:03:06

Because you, before we started, I was sat there

1:03:08

a lot of time on a Saturday just

1:03:10

looking, thinking, this is my view for two

1:03:12

and a half more games and that's it. I'm right on the

1:03:14

halfway line. In fact, your dad was sat in front of me

1:03:16

at the Leicester game. Great seat. Right there

1:03:18

and just thinking, I'm not going to have this

1:03:20

view anymore. And that was the first time it

1:03:22

showed to hit me that... it, you know, in

1:03:24

two and a half games. So, that salt -dancing game

1:03:26

is going to be a bit of an emotional

1:03:28

one, I think. I want to ask, yeah, your

1:03:32

favourite moment at Goodison Park in all the

1:03:34

years that you've been going to watch the

1:03:36

Blues, what's the moment that sticks out? Well,

1:03:40

funnily enough, I was asked this week, there's

1:03:42

a couple. There's a couple. Trevor Stephen against Bayern

1:03:44

Munich, the third goal. That, now and then.

1:03:46

You know, at the Gladys Street end, that was

1:03:48

at the front, is it? Oh, well, sorry

1:03:50

for asking. D3. OK.

1:03:53

So I was 11 stood at the

1:03:55

front and when he knocked that

1:03:57

in and just thinking that's it, by

1:03:59

me it was unbelievable. His

1:04:01

goal wasn't bad against Arsenal as a 16

1:04:03

year old, seeing that one that was quite special.

1:04:06

But it's hard isn't it? You go back

1:04:08

and you're picking, you end up picking about

1:04:10

50 moments, you know, Andy Johnson said that

1:04:12

against Liverpool was a good one, to make

1:04:14

it 3 -0. Not ever, but yeah. Not

1:04:17

the one I need to stay for. I'm not your one,

1:04:19

we leave you. You're just dragging Lescott

1:04:21

down for penalties. No,

1:04:23

listen, if I had to pick one,

1:04:25

it would probably be Trevor Stevens that

1:04:27

day, although Graham Sharpe said

1:04:29

that against QPR to win the league wasn't

1:04:31

a bad one either. Difficult.

1:04:34

Wayne, what's your greatest memory as

1:04:36

a player and as a

1:04:38

fan? As a fan? There

1:04:40

weren't many. It's

1:04:44

strange What year would you

1:04:46

have started? So Barion obviously has got... Which

1:04:48

kept us up in Garrafalli as well. I

1:04:51

had a debate on how fans be on

1:04:53

the pitch, but they were great memories. I was

1:04:55

on the pitch after the game and I

1:04:57

remember I dug up a pair of grass and

1:04:59

took it home and stuff. Yeah,

1:05:03

probably the best moment, to

1:05:05

be honest. And as a player?

1:05:07

As a player... Obviously

1:05:13

my first goal in the Premier League

1:05:15

against Arsenal. I'll

1:05:18

have to say that. That was the... A goal

1:05:20

that doesn't get mentioned, obviously you know when you

1:05:22

came back the second time. That goal you scored

1:05:24

from half -way, that's a goal of the season. No.

1:05:28

Oh, Salah's one where he just cut

1:05:30

in with his left foot and like

1:05:32

a normal goal. I think

1:05:34

he won the push -cass award and everything.

1:05:36

And he won't get an oldest suspect, but

1:05:38

he only went past Cucamante, so it

1:05:40

doesn't count. No,

1:05:43

that was that was because I've

1:05:45

been dropped actually then undy coming With

1:05:47

Joe Royal and obviously undy was

1:05:49

with the 21 so they were promoting

1:05:51

all the 21 players because he

1:05:53

knew he went Into Benny Benningamy was

1:05:55

playing ahead of me and then

1:05:58

Sam Aldais was coming in After the

1:06:00

West Ham game, so I think

1:06:02

Sam had said to undy to play

1:06:04

me. So playing me feelin's got

1:06:06

that trick But that was me first

1:06:08

go back When I was re

1:06:10

-sign for everything, at the Galvestith as well, to

1:06:12

score a hat -trick. Yeah,

1:06:14

so that was a good night as well. Yeah,

1:06:16

I was at that game that time, you know,

1:06:18

I was too young to understand how big that

1:06:21

was. When I was at that game, I'd

1:06:23

be at the Barion game as well. So before

1:06:25

I went to Lillishore. You're at the Newcastle game,

1:06:27

like what? I know you were at Liverpool

1:06:29

then, but when Dave was... No, no, I watched

1:06:31

that in the Chaucer in Bootle, I remember that.

1:06:33

Yeah. I went to the semi -final at it,

1:06:35

Ellen Road. Yeah. Yeah, obviously it wasn't a Goodison,

1:06:37

no. Listen, I was a fan as a

1:06:39

kid, but even going there for Liverpool, for me, it was always

1:06:41

the best place to win. Under

1:06:43

Gerard Julian, we did

1:06:45

well at Goodison and Old Trafford, but it

1:06:48

was still in a Goodison for me, it

1:06:50

was even better than in Old Trafford, you

1:06:52

know, for me. So I'll miss Goodison, you

1:06:54

know, memories there going there as a kid,

1:06:56

how you got there in the bus with

1:06:58

your mates and games and stuff like that,

1:07:00

but you said there's a funny feeling, but

1:07:02

it's almost It was right

1:07:04

to move, isn't it? It was needed

1:07:06

just for the club to get investors

1:07:08

into the football club and for the

1:07:10

club to move forward. It was needed.

1:07:13

It's sad it's going to be obviously

1:07:15

going to goods in the last game. It

1:07:18

was definitely needed. You've been in your stadium,

1:07:20

what's it like? Yeah, it still needs work doing.

1:07:22

I've been a couple of times when was

1:07:24

touring and I went to the under -21 game. It's

1:07:28

a lovely stadium to be

1:07:30

fair, but all inside. it

1:07:32

still needs a bit of work to,

1:07:34

which I'm sure will be done, but

1:07:36

yeah, it's really impressive. Did either of

1:07:38

you, when you played like Manu or

1:07:40

Liverpool, did either of you hear your

1:07:42

family in the crowd, like, giving you

1:07:44

a sticker or anything? You can't not

1:07:46

hear the characters, mate. Yeah,

1:07:52

we've got a good fair. We've got a

1:07:54

good fair. No, no.

1:07:56

Mine, eh. I

1:07:58

don't know what it was like for

1:08:00

you, but when... My family is still when

1:08:03

I say family. I'm so like cousins

1:08:05

or uncles and stuff like that They wouldn't

1:08:07

change but to live a pool from

1:08:09

heaven But like your dad and your brother

1:08:11

and you know stuff like that, you

1:08:13

know, they check but to be fair I

1:08:15

think if my brothers now They're probably

1:08:17

a little bit indifferent, you know what I

1:08:19

mean? But I think they still go

1:08:21

the other game or you know stuff like

1:08:23

that, but it's only really probably me

1:08:25

dad My dad was probably heaven when

1:08:27

I was a kid who had a proper

1:08:29

Liverpool and obviously my son, but he doesn't

1:08:32

know any difference. So, yeah, all my family

1:08:34

stayed as heaven, really. What was it like?

1:08:36

Yeah, a man of steel. My

1:08:38

dad very rarely went to the United Games.

1:08:43

Whatever, yes, he was just a big Devatorian.

1:08:46

I always remember I

1:08:48

scored at Elham Road

1:08:50

in 1917. We won 1

1:08:52

-0, think was the first time we won there for like

1:08:54

50 years. And there's a picture where the

1:08:56

fans have come onto the pitch. And

1:08:59

obviously I didn't know it was and I just looked

1:09:01

back on the picture, told me mate, me cousins, all

1:09:03

on the picture and that. So, yeah,

1:09:05

but all me family, you know. That

1:09:08

was the one thing I was worried about when

1:09:10

I re -signed for everything was they're all going

1:09:12

to be at United, no one was on to

1:09:14

me for tickets. It was far, it was easy.

1:09:16

When I went back to Evern, it was constant,

1:09:18

could you get me tickets now? So what was

1:09:20

the reception like when you... Was it 06, 07

1:09:22

when we won the league? Was it

1:09:24

that one where you kissed the badge? Was that 08? You

1:09:27

had a bit of a stick from them.

1:09:29

06, 07, yeah. Yeah, it was tough because

1:09:32

a human being as well and you have emotions

1:09:34

and I love everything. I still do. And

1:09:38

then the fans were on me,

1:09:40

which I get from certain points of

1:09:42

view. I

1:09:44

mean, it's fine, but then you start

1:09:46

going into your parents and you... wife

1:09:48

and whatever and it gets too much

1:09:50

and that's what I've reacted that way

1:09:52

to be honest. I'm looking

1:09:54

back on this I shouldn't have but yeah

1:09:56

it's just a reaction so I've got

1:09:58

a little bit stick for that as well.

1:10:01

Okay listen just before we

1:10:04

finish we've got a community

1:10:06

question of the week from

1:10:08

Anne from Hull. Right,

1:10:20

I don't even know going to answer this one or we're going

1:10:22

to start. Which

1:10:24

club has the most

1:10:26

annoying fans and why? So

1:10:29

easy. It's Arsenal. Arsenal, would

1:10:31

it? Are we all agreed? Yeah,

1:10:33

all agreed. Why? I mean,

1:10:35

I'd... Only from my social

1:10:37

media, I'd say Arsenal. But

1:10:40

do they have a bigger sort of

1:10:42

profile on social media than most

1:10:44

clubs ask them? What is it? They're

1:10:47

just so bad. I'm not going to ask you

1:10:49

because they're your biggest threat. You're always going to say

1:10:51

Arsenal. Yeah, yeah. Gareth or... Obviously, Arsenal. I wouldn't

1:10:53

say... Five years ago, if you asked me, I wouldn't

1:10:55

have said Arsenal. have said probably United. United

1:10:57

is still annoying, but it's just the Arsenal

1:10:59

fact. They don't want anything, and they're like

1:11:01

constantly at you, like just constantly nibbling away.

1:11:04

So, yeah, if he wins something... I was like,

1:11:06

you're 10 years old. Yeah,

1:11:09

well, we've had a good

1:11:12

10 years, haven't we? But, yeah, Arsenal fans

1:11:14

are just so annoying, yeah. And we got

1:11:16

beat. in, like, the 97th minute, 3 -2, having

1:11:18

gone ahead in the game at the Emirates

1:11:20

a couple of seasons ago. After the match,

1:11:22

they were so mean. I was so sad.

1:11:24

I was... He turned about actually in the

1:11:26

stadium. When we went out, they wouldn't let

1:11:28

us in any pubs. I was like, I

1:11:30

just want a drink to drown my sorrows.

1:11:33

Yeah. Like, no, you can't. So, yeah, I'd

1:11:35

go along with that. Man, do you know

1:11:37

what? He was... As a player going, he

1:11:39

was horrible fans. He was Blackpool. Honestly.

1:11:44

Honestly. We've played Blackpool

1:11:46

away a few times, and like... Where's that on

1:11:48

the map, by the way, Wayne? Yeah. I'll

1:11:51

put it on by the sea. We got

1:11:53

beat by them two years in the

1:11:55

same season. They were in the Rio

1:11:57

de Janeiro years, they? Charlie Adam and

1:11:59

Charlie Alton. I know

1:12:01

they get the rivalry between fans

1:12:03

of, like, you know, Liverpool,

1:12:05

Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, but, like... You

1:12:07

know, usually you all ride, like,

1:12:10

big rivalries. Who do you use to look, Harry? It

1:12:13

was Dobby, but we'll never play him

1:12:15

again. Now, Leicester want to

1:12:17

be our rivals, but it's not... When you're

1:12:19

talking about annoying fans and seeing us, they're

1:12:21

not here either. like Brentford talking about their

1:12:23

XG and how the recruit players better than

1:12:25

anyone else. They've always annoyed me, but... Well,

1:12:27

I had a whisper on, but it's brilliant

1:12:29

now we're mathematically safe and they're not going

1:12:31

to get play -offs. Dragging some of the

1:12:33

tweets up and posts up from December when

1:12:36

they were saying walls are falling apart, they're

1:12:38

going to come down. That was a nice

1:12:40

feeling, but... we haven't really... COVID was the

1:12:42

last time we played West Bram, other than

1:12:44

the FA Cup. So we don't really have

1:12:46

any back and forth. Villa are a little

1:12:48

bit, but to be fair, they're not too bad. I would

1:12:50

agree with the Arsenal shout though, some of their fans. Gareth, who

1:12:52

are you going for? I

1:12:55

mean, a lot of this is like... It's

1:12:57

almost like a social media question, isn't it?

1:12:59

And I think... think Arsenal do seem to

1:13:01

have the fair share of cranks. Honestly,

1:13:04

all season long, every time I

1:13:06

log into Twitter, X, whatever you

1:13:09

call it these days, there

1:13:11

seems to be, in the rage -bait

1:13:13

section for you, at the top there

1:13:15

will be an Arsenal fan somehow doing

1:13:17

down what we're doing that week or

1:13:19

that month or that it's not the

1:13:21

real league title or everyone's being crap

1:13:23

and that's why you're winning it. And

1:13:25

it's always got some bite and some

1:13:27

bang and you're like, And I

1:13:29

try to ignore them, but it's dead

1:13:31

hard. You know, everything's sort of like

1:13:33

a scheme to get a reaction out

1:13:35

of you now, isn't it? And I'm

1:13:37

probably feeding it now by calling them

1:13:39

cranks. But as I'm

1:13:41

going to finish on you, I'm expecting what

1:13:43

your answer might be. Not

1:13:46

you, no. I'd

1:13:49

stay off social media now, just don't bother with

1:13:51

it cos it's cos of that. I

1:13:53

was having this conversation with, I

1:13:55

think you or Greg before, before

1:13:57

social media. Didn't mind anyone. Obviously,

1:14:00

you had the Liverpool thing, didn't you, with

1:14:02

Everton? And And obviously, everyone did well. Oh, Newflav,

1:14:04

wasn't it? No. Everyone's

1:14:06

having a shot at it, everyone, but West

1:14:08

Ham Newcastle seem to hate Everton and vice -versa.

1:14:10

like, where did the Newcastle rivalry come from?

1:14:12

I don't know. I I mean, fair play.

1:14:14

we just want to throw people. but That's

1:14:16

always seemed to have traction, And West Ham

1:14:18

as well, with Everton. I don't know whether...

1:14:20

I the Moyes are, in I don't know,

1:14:22

though, because it seemed to be. I to

1:14:24

remember when we piet, because remember, they beat

1:14:26

us with good as in, and deeper everywhere,

1:14:29

how big they were, I was just thinking.

1:14:31

we've got He doesn't want to defend, so I

1:14:33

wonder if the game, but... don't know. but the

1:14:35

new cast of one might... I don't know whether

1:14:37

they come. No, no, he's great, but but at

1:14:39

that time, he didn't want to defend, did you? We

1:14:42

were winning sooner, we he put no man

1:14:44

the ashoff front instead of... No, we've been

1:14:46

down to 10. Let it go! No, we've

1:14:48

been down to 10. I haven't forgotten it.

1:14:51

You know why? I'm thinking of Rafa Benitez

1:14:53

in the end. Oh, yeah. But

1:14:57

that's probably them, but I don't get them, but I

1:14:59

listener to this one. You can find an argument anyway.

1:15:01

I can't get on Twitter you want one? People say

1:15:03

on Twitter that there's an argument that ends up talking

1:15:05

about rapping, but he says. There you

1:15:07

go. Exactly. so he finished on for anybody,

1:15:09

but listen, that is another brilliant

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