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2:37

with Christina Gomez all about UFOs.

2:39

You know, if you've followed me

2:41

anytime at all, you know

2:43

one of my favorite subjects is

2:45

that of UFOs. And someone

2:47

who has her finger on the

2:49

pulse of UFO and UAP news

2:51

everything that goes on in

2:53

that arena is Christina Gomez. We're

2:55

so glad to have her

2:57

with us once again. And

2:59

you see there website, strange

3:02

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3:04

It's been too long. Christina, welcome back to

3:06

the show. Jim,

3:08

it feels so good to be back.

3:10

I'm so excited for today. Talk

3:12

about UFOs and to talk to you

3:14

as well. I'm all good to speak

3:16

with you. So let me ask you this. If

3:19

you had to look back at so far,

3:22

so far, now this will probably

3:24

air in November. We're

3:26

recording it in October, so things

3:28

can change. Life comes at you fast

3:30

in the UFO arena. But as

3:32

of kind of the towards

3:34

the tail end of October, what do you

3:37

think the number one story for you

3:39

is in the UFO arena this year? It's

3:43

a really good question. Because in 2024-

3:46

Only easy questions. With

3:48

you, that's not possible. When

3:50

it comes to 2024, genuinely,

3:52

a lot has happened. But

3:55

the last few months,

3:57

it's been very significant, especially.

4:00

when had Michael Schellenberger from

4:02

the public released the immaculate constellation.

4:04

You had the Wall Street Journal

4:06

mentioned that last year the

4:09

Langley Air Force Base had

4:11

a swarm of drones for

4:13

17 days. And And it

4:15

was so significant that the

4:17

FBI, the Pentagon, President Joe

4:19

Biden Joe Biden had about it. They

4:22

had to cancel training in

4:24

the area And F -22

4:26

fighter jets were unable

4:28

to intercept these quote drones. And

4:31

that just happened in the

4:33

last few weeks. Now supposed to

4:35

be getting another UFO hearing that

4:37

we run by Congress, which is

4:39

going to be really exciting.

4:41

But like all of our previous

4:43

hearings, we're given no information

4:45

except for a date. Like

4:47

that's it. And it's always

4:49

a little nerve wracking to see

4:51

what's going to take place, especially

4:53

with the last one we got

4:55

in July of 2023 with David

4:58

Grush, Ryan Graves,

5:00

and David Fravor. it set the

5:03

bar so high. I

5:05

don't know what they're going to be

5:07

doing for this next one, one, but

5:09

I'm pretty excited for it. Yeah.

5:12

and I think that the, now is going to

5:14

be after the election, right? It sounds like it's

5:16

going to be after the election, is that correct?

5:19

It seems like it, which

5:21

I feel that the

5:23

timing is unfortunate because

5:25

everyone's focused on the United

5:28

States elections that there won't be

5:30

a lot of eyes on

5:32

this next UFO hearing. Man,

5:34

I wonder if that's intentional any

5:36

way. Not that I'm being conspiratorial,

5:38

but people might be looking we're

5:40

recording this, folks, before the election, but

5:43

I just have a feeling there's

5:45

going to be counts and recounts

5:47

and all that, whichever side you fall

5:49

on. We're not, not taking sides here.

5:51

but think it's going

5:53

to probably be if it's like any of our

5:56

recent elections, there's going to be a lot of

5:58

consternation and so forth. So that is an interesting. and

6:00

I hadn't thought about that

6:02

aspect of it being overshadowed by

6:04

whatever happens during the election.

6:06

Now let's talk about this report because I

6:08

actually, we just recently recorded

6:10

in addition of my show, the paranormal report

6:12

that I do with my wife, where

6:14

we look only UFO news, but a

6:16

lot of different, you know, spooky stuff, big

6:18

foot, everything. So we kind of do a

6:20

little bit of everything. But that

6:23

was one of our top stories. And

6:25

the thing about that, I I And

6:27

mean, it was in the Wall Street

6:29

Journal. So obviously the Wall Street Journal is a major So But

6:31

isn't that bigger news, Christina, on every

6:33

single network? Because to me, you

6:36

know, I I know the one eyewitness

6:38

in the the West Coast, he

6:40

saw nine drones. I

6:42

mean, you had the one

6:44

of the generals come out,

6:46

Mark I think, and talk

6:48

about this. I mean, and then

6:50

you had Chris Mellon, who was

6:52

the assistant director of something intelligence,

6:54

forget under Clinton and George

6:56

W. W. Bush. I mean,

6:59

we're not, we're not talking

7:01

about lightweights here. And

7:03

they're saying, yeah, this happened, and

7:05

we don't know what it is. Why

7:07

isn't this bigger news, Christina? Why isn't

7:09

this, on the New York Times, Washington

7:11

Post, CNN, all of

7:13

the networks, a lead story? Why don't we

7:15

see that? I wish

7:17

I had the answer to that.

7:19

This report that was released just a

7:21

few weeks ago in October, they

7:24

did significant investigations on

7:26

this swarm that took place

7:28

in December of 2023. They

7:31

were even able to

7:33

interview the U .S. Air

7:35

Force General Mark Kelly. and he

7:37

described the as moving constellations,

7:39

which is so timely, because

7:41

right when this report

7:44

came out by the Wall

7:46

Street Journal, is when we

7:48

just got information about the

7:50

immaculate constellation. So hearing this word

7:52

constellation frequently when it

7:54

comes to UFOs than ever heard

7:56

it before the last time we've had

7:58

an explanation similar to what Markelly

8:01

gave us was in the year

8:03

1200 when there was one

8:05

of the first reports of a

8:07

UFO sighting in Japan where

8:09

the samurai saw this thing in the

8:11

sky. They called the so -called

8:13

experts at the time in

8:15

the year 1200 and they said,

8:17

oh, nothing to worry about. It's

8:19

not UFOs. It's actually stars

8:22

swaying in the wind. Here we

8:24

are in 2024 and I

8:26

feel like what Markelly stated is

8:28

a more modern version of

8:30

that to my eyes. But

8:32

it is very strange that

8:34

we're hearing someone from of his

8:36

stature and his credentials to state

8:38

that it looked to him like

8:40

moving constellations in the sky. Now,

8:44

the Now, the thing about

8:47

this is if you it, about

8:49

it, one of the

8:51

most frightening things about this

8:53

particular report to me

8:55

was is not we saw

8:57

these and we think

8:59

they're China, we saw these

9:01

and we think they're extraterrestrials. More

9:04

chilling thing to me was

9:06

we saw these and we don't

9:08

have any idea what they

9:10

are and not only that, they

9:12

seem to be toying with

9:14

us. That

9:16

me away. when the world's on?

9:20

We've heard that too many

9:22

times, especially during World War II,

9:24

with the Foo Fighters well, where

9:26

these pilots are being chased

9:28

by these weird orbs in

9:30

the sky, these weird objects

9:32

in the sky. These pilots

9:34

attempt to intercept them and

9:36

they are unable to do

9:38

so. Here we are again in

9:40

2024, 2024 and we're having the

9:42

exact same problems that we

9:44

had decades prior. Nothing's really

9:46

changed. The only thing that

9:49

has changed is how we attempt

9:51

to give them a conclusion, how to

9:53

describe them. During During has War II, they

9:55

said, oh, you're just chasing Venus, you're

9:57

having mass hallucinations. Then it

9:59

kind of changed. to weather balloons.

10:01

And then here we are. now

10:03

the new answer or the

10:06

new conclusion is, oh, they're drones.

10:08

But your average drones can

10:10

only go a little under 100

10:12

miles per hour, anywhere from

10:14

like 60 to 80, like your

10:16

conventional ones. And then your

10:18

military ones can go to about

10:20

100 and 150 an hour.

10:22

These things that these military officials

10:24

were seeing in the sky,

10:27

their F -22 fighter jets were

10:29

unable to intercept. To my understanding,

10:31

we don't have drones that

10:33

move that fast as of yet.

10:35

So that's a remarkable detail

10:37

to add. And then also, when

10:39

it came to the Wall

10:41

Street Journal, they had stated that

10:43

there was a Chinese national

10:46

that was arrested due to having

10:48

drones near Navy vessels not

10:50

too long ago. But we don't

10:52

actually have an answer of

10:54

what's going on here. And again,

10:56

this sighting took place in

10:58

December of last year. It seems

11:00

that it would be enough

11:02

time to investigate a little under

11:05

a year to investigate to

11:07

receive an answer. But all we

11:09

have is drones. And we've

11:11

only just heard about this a

11:13

few weeks ago. And I'm

11:15

amazed we even heard about it

11:17

at all, to be honest

11:19

with you. And that leads me

11:21

to what I believe is

11:24

going on in the government. I

11:26

do want to mention one

11:28

more aspect of this sighting. just

11:30

to say, I believe, and

11:32

I don't think this is any

11:34

great revelation. mean, if you

11:36

read Lou and Alessandro's book, you

11:38

could see it the straightest

11:40

day, is that there are warring

11:43

factions within the US government.

11:45

And some people want to get

11:47

years. It's basically

11:49

what it is. And

11:51

they continue to war. And one seems

11:53

to score points against the other.

11:55

For example, I think this might indeed

11:57

be the score of someone who

11:59

wants to get more information out. but

12:01

then you've got counter efforts.

12:05

The Constellation, I believe, that was

12:07

it the spokesman for the

12:09

Department of the Navy was I I believe, who

12:11

came out said there have no

12:13

record of such a thing or

12:15

something like I I forget who it

12:17

was. It's a woman. Her

12:20

name is Bao or Gao or can't remember any,

12:22

but she basically came out and said,

12:24

said, there's nothing to this. I mean,

12:26

so to me, it seems like they're an

12:28

entrenched interest. So when we talk about

12:30

the government, it's not a monolith. It's

12:33

many, it's like any other big organization. There's

12:35

different factions. There's people who want to to

12:37

get at least some of the truth out.

12:40

that's where I fall. I mean, some stuff

12:42

has to be protected for national security

12:44

reasons legitimately. And I get that. But

12:46

it feels like we should be

12:48

given more insight than we're given.

12:50

So you think there's this active

12:52

internal struggle going on in the

12:54

government? From

12:56

what heard from people in

12:58

the past that have had security

13:01

clearances and that are

13:03

now talking out about UFOs,

13:05

they have stated firsthand, yes, there

13:08

is this internal battle between

13:10

those that want to come

13:12

forward and those that don't.

13:14

Especially now, I think David

13:16

laid a very remarkable foundation

13:18

for other whistleblowers to come

13:20

forward. But people are looking at Rush,

13:23

seeing his track record, seeing

13:25

how he's been treated. since the

13:27

of last year and they're

13:29

a little bit scared The is

13:31

extreme even today and the threats

13:34

to his life have

13:36

been very significant. It's

13:38

difficult to have such important

13:41

information to to note things that

13:43

you know and you

13:45

signed an NDA and you can only give

13:47

so much information. The thing is that you

13:50

can never really please the public. no No

13:52

matter how much information you provide, you

13:54

have to camp. So let's say, oh, that's a misinformation

13:56

agent. How could you believe anything that comes

13:58

out of that person's mouth? Right. Then

14:00

you have this other camp that

14:02

says, why can't they give

14:04

me more information? What are they

14:07

hiding? Oh, they're working for this and

14:09

this and this. And then then

14:11

it's just, it's very difficult to

14:13

walk these waters properly

14:15

you can't please everyone. No one's

14:17

a golden coin. And you have

14:19

to have really thick skin

14:22

to be like someone such as

14:24

David Grush, Lua Elizondo, so many

14:26

others before them because you're going

14:28

to go through a lot

14:30

of ridicule, a a lot of

14:32

skepticism and a lot of hatred

14:34

as well. What's

14:37

going on with David Grush? Have we

14:39

heard anything from him? Because he had

14:41

that, you know, very explosive

14:43

testimony summer and he's kind

14:45

of gone off the map.

14:47

Now, we know, for example,

14:49

Lua Elizondo released his very

14:51

successful book, New York Times Best Seller.

14:53

read it and I think

14:55

anybody interested in this subject

14:57

has likely read it. What's

15:00

up with, what's up with Grush,

15:02

do you know? There

15:06

are so many theories,

15:08

so many conspiracies as

15:10

well. But But we

15:12

do know is that Ryan,

15:15

David Grush, not David Grush, David Fraver

15:17

stated in his hearing that he

15:19

was nudged to be a part

15:21

of that. He kept being being

15:23

pushed, hey, he should speak about it, he

15:25

he should speak about it. With

15:28

the way that Grush showed up

15:30

and then almost disappeared, we might

15:32

be able to assume something similar

15:34

that he was pushed to do

15:36

so to release this bombshell information. now

15:39

because of him, we use the

15:41

non -human biologics, right? I mean, he's

15:43

made such an imprint on the

15:45

conversation in modern times. But yes, then he

15:47

kind of walked away from the

15:49

limelight and it can be for

15:51

so many different reasons. Was it

15:54

because he was only meant to

15:56

just be in the limelight that one

15:58

time? Was it because he couldn't

16:00

handle the scrutiny? that he received

16:02

from the public and from the internet,

16:04

people aren't very nice across the board,

16:06

especially online. It's very difficult

16:08

to sometimes just read the comments,

16:10

read the emails, especially with someone

16:13

like David Grush that stated so much, his

16:15

credentials as well, those that try

16:17

to throw him in the mud stating

16:19

that he had PTSD, that he

16:22

had to go through all of these

16:24

evaluations as well, which his reports

16:26

were classified somehow, that author able,

16:28

that journalist able to receive his

16:30

medical records and Grush others were

16:32

very upset about that. So maybe he just

16:34

couldn't handle it, or maybe he

16:37

only had that one mission to just to

16:39

lay a foundation for others to come

16:41

forward and he feels like maybe

16:43

he succeeded. I don't have the answers,

16:45

but those are just some mere

16:47

speculations as to why he came and

16:50

then left. Well, it's

16:52

interesting because Jay who

16:54

think took over a tip

16:56

after Elizondo left, if came I'm correct, he's

16:59

going to be coming out with

17:01

a book and that should be fascinating

17:03

to see what happened. I think he's got, and

17:05

I think it may be the same

17:07

publisher, I'm not sure, same publisher as

17:09

Elizondo had and let's face it,

17:11

these big publishing houses are motivated

17:13

by success and sales figures

17:15

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17:18

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19:06

What's a story this year that has

19:08

flown under the radar do you think that

19:11

deserves more attention? One of your

19:13

favorites. It could be something like

19:15

just a sighting or it could

19:18

be, you know, something that you

19:20

think is just lying out there to

19:22

kind of pop. What

19:25

do you think the that

19:27

everybody except Gomez missed this year?

19:29

Oh gosh. You're really

19:31

putting me on the spot here Jim. I'm

19:33

sorry, I'm sorry. I I

19:36

know you know your stuff so what's one

19:38

what's one that think deserves more attention? I've

19:41

covered a lot of UFO news over

19:43

the years, and the things that

19:46

I can think of at this moment

19:48

are just the recent ones. So

19:50

already spoke about the the one about

19:52

the about the drone incursions. We

19:54

touch on the immaculate constellation,

19:57

which is also very significant. and

19:59

one One that's, I think

20:02

catching the UFO

20:04

storm, by storm. When I'm

20:06

saying that, I I that, mean like, of of those that

20:08

are, that where to look but not your

20:10

mainstream is this

20:12

latest quote, alien

20:14

signal from Proxima B, B which

20:16

is a certain nearby, our nearby

20:19

system, has been

20:21

interesting. And the reason to that

20:23

is is not just the signal

20:25

which I'll get into in

20:28

just a moment but it's

20:30

the connections and how all

20:32

these things are laying out

20:34

very smoothly. So kind of

20:36

go back a few months.

20:39

In a September, there

20:41

was this alleged briefing that

20:43

Congress received about the

20:45

James Webb Space Telescope, the

20:48

JWST. And are

20:50

these speculations that maybe they

20:52

were informed about Proxima

20:54

Centauri or about these these -like

20:57

planets that might harbor

20:59

life or even lights being

21:01

shown on the dark side

21:03

of Proxima B. These are

21:06

all just alleged possibilities but

21:08

then you had Ask a Poll out

21:10

to our representative Carson asking

21:12

him, did you guys

21:14

receive a briefing on

21:16

the JWST? And Carson

21:19

just said, no comments. No

21:21

comments so much with so

21:23

little It says a lot, yes. It

21:26

does. And think

21:28

it's a cop -out. I feel like it's

21:30

so dangerous to use the word no comment,

21:32

the phrase no comment because- Yeah, That's

21:35

of like pleading the fair. It's

21:38

like, yeah, it's like - Yeah, it's

21:40

like I the the to comment because I

21:42

may be and incriminate myself, you know, that

21:44

kind of thing. Exactly.

21:46

That's a great point. I didn't

21:48

think about this but all the

21:50

things we just mentioned, if

21:53

you lie them one over the

21:55

other, they kind of fit together.

21:57

Yeah, James, I forgot about that. And

21:59

I remember- that image came out and I, you

22:02

know, with the internet, you never know if

22:04

an image is real or not. true.

22:06

there was this But there was this question mark that

22:09

the James Webb telescope

22:11

picked up, which which telescope I'm

22:13

like, is something with us now?

22:16

They're spelling out question marks in the

22:18

cosmos and we're picking them up with

22:20

these super powerful telescope,

22:22

space telescope. And then

22:24

you have, as you said, that

22:26

signal is coming through and supposedly think

22:28

there are scientists who, there was a

22:30

journalist from the BBC, I think,

22:32

that came out recently and said, we're

22:35

on the cusp of being able

22:37

to say that there's some kind

22:39

of intelligence in this far system

22:42

and they're just trying to trace

22:44

it down. And then you've got

22:46

these other sightings and things If you

22:48

layer them over. and then again, I

22:50

didn't think about that. That's why

22:52

we have you on the show,

22:54

The Immaculate Constellation that time. time. And it

22:56

almost seems like all of these

22:58

things are like puzzle pieces that

23:00

might fit together for some major

23:03

revelations. I could not

23:05

have said that better myself because you're

23:07

absolutely right. And it's only been taking

23:09

place in the last few weeks, like

23:11

the last month tops, where we're

23:13

just getting this one report after

23:15

another, this this one investigation after

23:17

another, more so than I'd have to

23:19

say, than the rest of the

23:21

year from my current knowledge and information.

23:23

of died. kind of died. I felt, you know,

23:26

I was very, I like you. I the

23:28

was very encouraged after the hearing

23:30

last year. like, like, yes, finally, finally.

23:32

And then just kind of like like,

23:35

happened. But it feels like

23:37

things are ramping up again. It

23:40

is. And so after

23:42

this question that was

23:44

asked by Ask a Poll, D'Andre

23:46

he says, no comment.

23:49

Then Then after that,

23:51

we're finally getting the

23:53

signal that was actually collected

23:55

in 2019 by the Breakthrough Initiative

23:57

Project. And they

23:59

got. this five burst.

24:02

of this strange noise that was

24:04

coming from what they now

24:06

believe to be Proxima B. And for

24:08

a very long time, the

24:10

reason to why we're getting this

24:12

information now in 2024, so years

24:14

later, is is because they originally

24:16

thought this, this team thought

24:18

that it was just earth noise.

24:21

It was just us, us

24:23

noisy humans. But after

24:25

continuously analyzing this

24:27

five hour burst, they're stating,

24:29

I I don't

24:31

think it's ours. You know what?

24:33

It's probably Proxima B, but they've...

24:36

This is where it gets a little bit. convoluted,

24:40

a little bit gossipy in the field.

24:42

So you have Dr. Simon Holland released this information.

24:44

He's the one that really made

24:47

it public and got the attention of

24:49

so many others. And

24:51

the Breakthrough stated, you know,

24:53

we shouldn't really be the

24:55

ones to release this information

24:57

of maybe this alien signal,

24:59

that's this five hour burst, but

25:01

SETI, the of extraterrestrial intelligence

25:03

should be the one to release it

25:05

because that's what they're supposed to do.

25:10

And SETI been very quiet. Actually,

25:12

they've been so quiet since

25:14

the wow signal that we

25:16

received decades ago. They not not

25:19

given information. Right.

25:21

they haven't given us any information since and

25:23

I'm thinking you're getting all this funding. the

25:25

heck you doing with that money? Buying a

25:27

$1 ,000 coffee machine, a $20,000 a $20 ,000 toilet?

25:29

Like what are you doing with that money guys?

25:33

And so it would be nice

25:35

for them to analyze that

25:37

signal as well, because this is

25:39

very significant information. And

25:41

why is that? Well, not only

25:43

are we getting this very

25:45

unique sound from this nearby, the

25:47

the nearest planet, which is about

25:49

4 .2 light years away from

25:52

us, but if

25:54

we are able to fully. distinguish

25:57

this planet has. an

26:00

intelligent life it. That

26:03

would be disclosure in itself. I

26:06

genuinely do not think we're going to

26:08

be receiving UFO disclosure from the government

26:10

because knowledge is power and that's all

26:12

they care about. We might get disclosure

26:14

from a mass sighting, but if you're to

26:16

watch it on your phone, they would

26:19

say, oh, guys, it's CGI. Come on.

26:21

Know your facts. That That be the

26:23

argument. But if we were

26:25

to have science to back

26:27

it up up that hey, we received signal,

26:29

it's this very intelligent message coming

26:31

from this nearby planet. right? And

26:33

then able to somehow to connect pen

26:35

pals and have pals with these guys.

26:37

That in itself would be

26:39

disclosure. And then that would open

26:41

up our mind to the

26:44

possibilities that there's so much out

26:46

there. Humans be

26:48

a space faring species like

26:50

we see in the shows of

26:52

Star Trek. And that will

26:54

change how we evolve as humans.

26:56

how our will evolve

26:59

once we finally truly

27:01

100% percent receive some

27:03

kind of UFO disclosure,

27:05

at least in my

27:08

opinion. So

27:10

been doing this for several

27:12

years now. You've been very focused

27:14

on it, very immersed in it.

27:16

How have your own viewpoints

27:18

evolved over the years? I

27:22

think I told you this when I I first

27:24

came on a few years ago, when I was

27:26

still fresh and new. And

27:28

I feel old, I feel

27:31

old and a little worn out. And some

27:33

voices. you'll know. and you're nowhere close to

27:35

old, but ahead. It's

27:39

this topic. There's

27:41

so much misinformation,

27:44

disinformation, look over here and

27:46

not over there. In so

27:48

many ways, it's so exhausting. I

27:50

feel like it's so boring to just

27:52

have this. It's a game. It's a

27:54

game to these people that have

27:56

information and don't want to share it.

27:58

Like of the things that really... me wrong

28:00

way is, oh, I just spoke

28:03

to this person and they know everything, but

28:05

I just can't tell you yet. And I'm like,

28:07

uh, uh, why, why would you say it?

28:09

Like, why would you play me like

28:11

that? Why would you tease me? And, and

28:13

as a journalist, it, you know, I can

28:15

understand that. You can't have to vet your

28:17

sources. You have to keep your your

28:19

sources safe. You You your got to keep

28:21

yourself safe. You to go and

28:23

comb through all information. I that. Trust me,

28:25

I do. I do, But

28:27

don't state that you have information,

28:29

but can't share it. It's like

28:31

tooting your own horn. It's like

28:33

boosting up your own ego that everyone's

28:36

bored of. I

28:38

just, I don't care for

28:40

that. But aside from

28:42

that, I thought several years

28:44

ago, it it can't be

28:47

that complicated. It can't

28:49

be that bad. Yes, it's

28:51

interesting, but we'll have the answer

28:53

soon I've come to

28:55

realize that Rissa's between UFOs, the

28:57

paranormal, all all of strange and

29:00

mysterious. My research and my

29:02

channel has evolved in in way where

29:04

I don't just focus on UFOs anymore.

29:06

While that is my primary thing that

29:08

I look at and I research, it's

29:11

it's branched out to all these

29:13

other things because it's interesting

29:15

to see the connections between all

29:17

of these. And the question

29:19

would be then, are we seeing

29:22

the same phenomena, but of it's getting, we're it

29:24

differently based off of

29:26

our understanding and in own

29:28

experiences? Or are we genuinely

29:31

seeing very different things

29:33

and we cannot mix the

29:35

paranormal with with

29:37

UFOs? In some ways,

29:39

I would say yes. And other ways,

29:42

I would say no. It, it just

29:44

depends on the knowledge that we have

29:46

on the topic and the experiences

29:48

that we've also had in our

29:50

lifetime to give us an understanding

29:52

of we connect the dots here?

29:54

or Or are we dealing with

29:56

two very separate things? Honestly,

29:58

it's very exciting. and and really

30:00

enjoy this kind of research. So

30:04

it seems like we're at a pivot point

30:06

because many people I talked to in this

30:08

area. began like I did

30:10

and And it sounds like probably you did, You

30:12

might have thought, oh, these

30:14

are little green men coming from

30:18

wherever there And

30:20

that I'm I'm I I personally not

30:22

in any saying that that's not the

30:24

case that they're not from out there

30:27

but I'm not saying that absolutely

30:29

is the case it could be

30:31

interdimensional. could be you know I to

30:33

poo poo the idea of crypto-terrestrials

30:36

down from below I thought oh that's

30:38

that's that's crazy but then you

30:40

think about trans-medium craft. know What going

30:42

on with that? So in a

30:44

in a similar way it It

30:46

sounds like your possible explanations for

30:48

what we're seeing have broadened

30:51

as well, Is that right? It

30:54

has, has, especially when

30:56

we're talking about extraterrestrials, ultra-terrestrials,

30:58

all of these different

31:00

things, it's definitely gotten

31:03

more complex over the

31:05

years. And while Jacques Vallée the

31:07

one that really popularized

31:09

inter-dimensionals in the

31:11

70s, I believe, where

31:13

the public is just now

31:15

jumping on the bandwagon of, oh,

31:17

that's the possibility. It's not just

31:19

nuts and bolts that we

31:21

thought several decades ago. Now we're

31:23

really bringing in these other

31:25

ideas. And even the ideas that

31:27

maybe they've always been here,

31:30

maybe that we sharing this planet

31:32

with these entities that might be

31:34

living underground or in areas

31:36

where humans aren't really, Are they

31:38

coming from other planets? really living.

31:42

Are they coming from other planets?

31:44

Are they using? technology

31:46

at our ape allows us to able to jump

31:48

in and out of this reality, right?

31:50

There's all of these possibilities and maybe we're

31:52

dealing with all of them. Or

31:55

maybe dealing with just one that's

31:57

able to access all of

31:59

those things. maybe have UFO

32:01

here, maybe have technology

32:03

that allows them

32:05

to be interdimensional, very

32:07

much like Skinwalker Ranch. I think

32:09

that's a pretty good example for

32:12

people to grasp because so much has

32:14

happened there. You've had the UFO

32:17

sightings, you've had these strange paranormal sightings,

32:19

you've had shadow people as well,

32:21

you've had technology just act in

32:23

a very strange way, which we

32:25

always hear by the people that

32:27

the team brings in. This has

32:29

never happened to my equipment before.

32:31

I don't know what's going on

32:34

here. I reset my equipment. I

32:36

made sure it was clean before

32:38

I got here and now it's

32:40

malfunctioning. I think Skinwalker Ranch is

32:42

just a good example in today's

32:44

world to state maybe there is

32:46

this convergence between UFOs and the

32:48

paranormal and cryptids as well. Yeah,

32:51

it really is a really

32:53

a mind bender. What

32:55

thing, I mean, aside

32:57

from, well well, I

32:59

guess you kind of of said it, you

33:01

said that you thought there would be

33:03

a simple explanation and it's so funny.

33:05

So many people I talked to in

33:07

this field, they feel like they kind of

33:10

have it figured out before they get

33:12

into it. In other words, they tend

33:14

to believe maybe sometimes they don't, but most people

33:16

are kind of like predisposed to be like,

33:18

yeah, something's going on. But it's like ghosts

33:20

dead people, UFOs or space aliens, cryptids

33:23

or animals. which

33:25

is what I tend to

33:27

believe. but don't totally cancel out

33:29

other explanations, but it's

33:31

almost, you know, I thought I would do

33:33

this way back in 2005 when I started

33:35

doing this podcast. I

33:37

thought I would do this six months and

33:40

I'd have the answers. I thought this would

33:42

be so cool to talk to these people

33:44

and have these answers. I got

33:46

to say, in some ways, I'm more

33:48

confused than I've ever been. And I know

33:50

it's not been 19 years, but it's,

33:52

you know, got several years of your life

33:54

now. Do you feel

33:56

similarly that you're more questioning than

33:58

ever? kind of more at sea

34:00

about what the ultimate explanation

34:02

is. Yes.

34:06

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And it

34:08

does that. sometimes, it Oh

34:10

yeah. And sometimes it keeps me up

34:13

at night, like I just can't shut

34:15

off my brain just thinking about

34:17

all these possibilities that are out there.

34:19

And it can be exciting, very

34:21

exciting in some ways, that really helps lead

34:23

my research. But in other ways,

34:25

I feel like it can be detrimental

34:28

to my mind where I just,

34:30

I overthink it or I think about all

34:32

the negatives that are attached to

34:34

it, especially when looking at the details

34:36

of the disinformation and, and like of the

34:38

um, sciops as well. that's where I kind

34:40

of like deplete a little bit and I'm

34:43

like, oh, I can only focus

34:45

so many hours on this if we're happy, like

34:47

a break. But there there

34:49

other aspects, other categories

34:51

that I do love researching that

34:53

I think at the end

34:55

of the day, give

34:57

me hope. I'd give optimism more

35:00

so than depression. Other

35:03

than the UFO topic, which one is

35:05

your favorite? I

35:09

really like mythology. I I

35:12

really enjoy mythology and lore and,

35:14

seeing how different cultures

35:16

attempt to explain the things

35:19

that they've seen during

35:21

their lifetime or how they

35:23

share these stories and

35:25

then finding connections from cases

35:27

that I've read when

35:29

pertaining to UFOs and and how

35:31

they correlate, seeing the

35:33

patterns there, because the words

35:35

have changed over the

35:37

centuries. Our experiences in many

35:39

ways have changed over the centuries

35:41

as well. So I enjoy seeing

35:43

those kinds of patterns once I

35:45

begin to take off the

35:47

labels and just grab the overall

35:49

substance of the stories. Well,

35:53

we certainly want to follow

35:55

your stories and your research. Tell

35:57

people where they can find

35:59

it and. and how they can out

36:02

strangeparadigm.com strangeparadimes.com. Am I

36:04

getting it wrong here? Give

36:06

it to me. straight. you

36:08

got it right. No, you got

36:10

it right. That's correct. So So strangeparadimes.com

36:12

is my website. That's the best

36:14

place to find me there. You're able

36:16

to find audio files, video files.

36:19

And also I do write articles for

36:21

all of the shows that I

36:23

cover as well. So if you're more

36:25

of a reader than a watcher,

36:27

that is the place for you. Or

36:29

you can find me on YouTube

36:31

at Gomez, but there is no H

36:33

in Christina. There you

36:35

go. Well, Christina, it's always great

36:37

to talk to you. I really hope

36:39

that we can continue to do

36:42

this on a regular basis, at least

36:44

every year, if not more, where

36:46

we can kind of get your insight

36:48

of where you think the state

36:50

of the UFO field and other areas

36:52

of researchers are. Thank you so

36:54

much for joining us today, and I

36:56

hope everybody checks out strangeparadimes.com. Thank

36:59

you. And

37:01

we thank Christina we hope you

37:04

check out everything that she does.

37:06

And again, super popular on YouTube.

37:08

She's one of the leading voices

37:10

in UFO news today. So make

37:12

sure to check out all of

37:14

her content. We're

37:17

wrapping up. this week

37:19

on a not pleasant note,

37:21

a sad note. The show

37:23

and I lost a big

37:25

friend this last week on

37:27

Thanksgiving and actually the whole

37:30

paranormal community lost a big

37:32

friend in Jerry Pauley of

37:34

Hillbilly Horror Stories. Of course,

37:36

he co -hosted for many years

37:38

that podcast with his wife

37:41

Tracy. And

37:43

Jerry last week

37:45

as I understand it was attending

37:47

a conference had

37:50

an episode collapsed, was taken

37:52

to the hospital, was at the

37:54

hospital for a few days

37:56

and unfortunately passed. And all I

37:58

can say is what a great

38:00

guy. The thing

38:02

is is what struck me is

38:04

all of the comments from people

38:06

how Jerry had helped them. He

38:08

had given out his personal phone

38:10

number to help people. He

38:13

was always there to lend an ear.

38:15

He was always very encouraging on the shows.

38:17

Had a wicked sense of humor too,

38:19

which I loved, but just a

38:21

really, really nice guy he was always

38:24

just super nice to me. And

38:26

actually, I think one of his first pods

38:28

casting things he did was he

38:30

was a guest on the

38:33

campfire and told one of his

38:35

his personal stories and And

38:37

just the world

38:39

has lost and the paranormal

38:41

community has lost a great

38:43

voice And I'm very Uh,

38:46

what's what I'm looking for? I'm very

38:48

serious about not copying other people, but

38:50

I will probably say that I copied

38:52

Jerry on one thing and I told

38:54

him this and I've said this on

38:56

the shows before on the campfire show,

38:59

sometimes in the course of stories, uh,

39:01

the topic of self -harm and suicide

39:03

will come up. And

39:05

that happens, I mentioned the 988

39:07

lifeline. And that's because Jerry did

39:10

it and I heard about this

39:12

and knew he was doing it.

39:14

And I'm like, this is a

39:16

great idea. And maybe, you know,

39:18

if it helps just one

39:20

person, it's worth mentioning. So when

39:22

those topics come up, we certainly

39:25

mentioned the 988 lifeline. And certainly

39:27

if you or someone you know

39:29

in crisis, certainly take advantage of

39:31

that and get the help you

39:33

need, 988 -247 -360 - five but

39:35

But just a nice man. and

39:39

just the outpouring of

39:41

love from his community, you could really

39:43

tell he showed up for his

39:45

people. and really cared. Somebody said

39:47

he'd give you the shirt off of

39:49

his back and I 100 % believe

39:51

that to be true. So, All

39:54

the thoughts and prayers in the

39:56

world to Tracy and Jerry's family and

39:58

Tracy's family. just a sad,

40:01

sad day. And it's another reminder. Tomorrow

40:04

is not guaranteed. So

40:06

we just had Thanksgiving holiday

40:08

here in the States. have Christmas,

40:11

New Year coming up, the holiday seasons

40:13

here. just to

40:16

really be present. family.

40:20

for your family and maybe, maybe you're in

40:22

a family that has some kind of

40:24

squabble, maybe it's politics, maybe it's

40:26

something else. Maybe

40:29

holiday season rethink that distancing.

40:32

because nothing is guaranteed. And

40:35

once gone, that time

40:37

has gone. So would

40:39

just encourage everybody to be

40:42

together at this time. of year much

40:44

as possible. And

40:46

if you can't be there in person, you

40:48

know. we all have phones. Make

40:51

sure that you reach out and. and

40:53

treasure the ones you love Because again, I

40:55

I could be talking. to today and

40:57

telling you this and I might not be

40:59

here tomorrow. or

41:01

you might not be here tomorrow. We don't know. And

41:05

uh I think if

41:07

you'd asked Jerry, he

41:09

wouldn't thought that this was going to

41:11

happen when it happened. But

41:13

never know. you never know. So a

41:16

couple of lessons from this. Be like Jerry

41:18

and kind to other people. Dar said

41:20

on the paranormal report, hold that

41:22

door. Send somebody

41:25

a nice note. Somebody a word

41:27

of encouragement. Try to be nicer

41:29

to people. you know, I'm

41:31

gonna try to think about that in a

41:33

with Jerry try to be nicer to people. And

41:37

then also, treasure

41:39

time you have with your loved ones and...

41:42

I know it might not be popular to

41:44

say today, but maybe put some of those squabbles

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aside. Anyway,

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Jerry, God bless We

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all thought the world of I thought the

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world of you. You're a great guy and

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I believe you're in a a better place

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Tracy, love our thought. and our

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prayers go out to you and your family. And

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thank you for tuning

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in to the Paranormal Podcast today. one

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quick programming note. We're

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going to start releasing this

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show on Mondays next week,

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many years, almost 20 years now. I think

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we've been releasing it on Tuesdays. I have

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to go back and check, but it's

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been Tuesdays for many, many years, maybe forever

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since we started the show. Not Not sure

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of that, but just the way that everything flowed.

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we have the Paranormal Report now I'm doing with

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Darr. that was Mondays and we found that

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that didn't work really well on Mondays

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because we're just getting back into the office.

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So we're going to flip flop Paranormal

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Podcast show on

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Mondays, Paranormal Report on

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Tuesdays. So this will

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be Tuesday week, but next

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week, the Paranormal Podcast will be on Mondays

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so you can access it even sooner. We

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thank you so much. We'll talk to

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you next time. Happy Happy thank holidays. safe

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and stay spooky. Bye-bye.