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Oh, we're always talking about

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UFOs, UAPs, and aliens, but

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have we ever looked at

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it from the alien perspective?

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Well, today we will,

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with filmmaker Dean Aliodo

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on the Paranormal Podcast.

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Welcome to the paranormal podcast.

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I'm Jim Herald and UFOs, UAPs,

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everybody's talking about him. And there's

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a great new documentary out called

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The Alien Perspective. I just got

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to watch it and thought it

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was fantastic. And we have the

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filmmaker himself today with us. I'm

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talking about director and writer Dean

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Aliodo. He is an award-winning filmmaker

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and documentarian with an impressive track

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record across film and television. He's

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produced acclaim specials for A&E, Bravo,

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and Discovery. and served as a

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consultant on James Fox's hit UFO

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documentary, The Phenomenon, which we just

1:05

did a show on a few

1:08

weeks ago with James. Now, Dean

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is also known for the paramount

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TV movie Alien Abduction Incident in

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Lake County, which has become a

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cult classic. His latest work is

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The Alien Perspective. It's just out.

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It's an exciting new documentary on

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the UFO UAP subject. Dean, welcome

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to the show. Thanks for taking time

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today. Jim, thank you for

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having me. So what was the

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impetus of this documentary? What

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did you want to achieve? Because

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I sensed you wanted to do

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something different with this work. Yeah, I

1:41

had, I've always been interested

1:43

in the whole UFO phenomenon,

1:46

which kind of overlaps a

1:48

lot of phenomenons, actually. For

1:50

years, I kind of considered

1:52

myself an armchair, if not

1:55

an armchair expert, maybe an

1:57

armchair prosumer, about it. And.

2:00

I found that as a filmmaker,

2:02

a third of my IP that I

2:04

would create was sci-fi or alien

2:06

related. The first film I

2:08

did was actually the first found

2:10

footage film ever called The

2:13

McPherson Tate, and that was

2:15

inspired by reading Whitley

2:17

Strieber's book Communion, about

2:20

his experiences with extraterrestrials.

2:22

And so... Spielberg also

2:24

comes into factor there

2:26

affecting me and kind

2:28

of guiding me there

2:31

and keeping the fertilizer

2:33

of imagination fully watered.

2:35

And so I ended up

2:37

doing documentaries after

2:40

I had done that movie Macpherson

2:42

tape and the documentaries I

2:45

was doing, there were historical

2:47

documentaries on either Billy the

2:49

Kid or. or Lizzie Borden,

2:52

or World War II stuff,

2:54

and in a lot of crime

2:56

shows, and I thought, boy, I, what I

2:58

felt as missing in the UFO

3:00

space was a story that would

3:02

be told in the way that I

3:05

would do these crime shows, which is,

3:07

yes, we would look at it from

3:09

the victim's point of view, but we

3:11

would also look at it from

3:14

everyone's point of view. And

3:16

we would look at it

3:18

specifically from the criminal's

3:20

point of view. And that's done

3:22

all the time in TV. There's

3:24

a show called Criminal Minds,

3:27

right? And so I thought, what

3:29

if we took that and we

3:31

folded that in to doing a

3:33

documentary about the phenomenon in addition

3:35

to a whole bunch of other

3:37

things that I wanted to see.

3:40

I'm a filmmaker as well do

3:42

independent films, so I want it

3:44

to be more cinematic than the

3:46

space, but I wanted to play

3:48

in it with those two elements.

3:51

Again, that I hadn't seen

3:53

before. Every single documentary comes

3:55

out from the human's perspective.

3:57

And so it was an opportunity to

3:59

say. Okay, let's turn it on its

4:02

ear. As Michio Calcou says

4:04

in my documentary, let's turn

4:06

this upside down. And that

4:08

gleaned a whole other angle on

4:11

the phenomenon that opened

4:13

up opportunities for me

4:15

to go talk to people like

4:17

in Oxford to speak with

4:19

Dr. Nick Bostrum, who created

4:22

the theory that we may

4:24

all be living in a

4:26

simulated reality. And so that's kind

4:28

of how it started, but it

4:30

kind of ran away with me for

4:32

seven years and took me on a

4:35

journey that I did not expect at

4:37

all. Yeah, I mean, there were some

4:39

cloak and dagger aspects to it. I

4:42

don't want to give anything away, but

4:44

it felt a little like a spy

4:46

movie in parts. And I mean, was

4:49

there ever a time that you thought,

4:51

geez, I'm looking into this and there's

4:53

some pretty serious people... who may be

4:56

behind the scenes with this, what

4:58

am I getting myself into? Did

5:00

that ever occur to you? Yeah, well,

5:02

it's funny because I've never seen

5:04

a UFO. I'm not an experiences.

5:07

But I did, for one of

5:09

these other docs that split off

5:11

of this documentary, did

5:14

interview Yvonne Smith, who's

5:16

a hypnotherapist and works

5:18

with experiences. And I said,

5:20

I go Yvonne. What the hell

5:22

is going on? I've been at this

5:24

for, you know, supposed to be nine

5:27

months. And here I am, you know,

5:29

five months, six months or six years,

5:31

you know, later. And I said, I

5:33

don't know what is driving me, but

5:35

I'm compelled. I can't stop. And

5:37

I said, so if I haven't had

5:40

this experience, why am I doing this?

5:42

And she laughed at me and said,

5:44

look, they don't need to knock on

5:46

your door in order to get you.

5:49

maybe to get their message or to

5:51

get something out there. So there was

5:53

an aspect of that where I felt

5:55

like, you know, who's who's flying

5:58

this UFO me or them and And

6:00

so, and also Leslie Kane was

6:02

was very instrumental when I interviewed

6:04

her in pushing me not to

6:06

do, not to have a host,

6:08

not to be in it, not

6:10

to have a narration and just

6:12

see what would happen if you

6:14

presented the evidence and the people

6:16

talked for them themselves and guide

6:18

them into chapters that would break

6:20

down each of these aspects of

6:22

the phenomenon and cover a wide

6:24

swath of it that we hadn't

6:26

really seen before. And because I'm

6:28

a little dyslexic, it makes sense

6:30

as a filmmaker because we're all

6:32

visual, you know. And so that's

6:35

when I reached out to the

6:37

animation editor of the Oscar winning

6:39

documentary Searching for Sugarman and brought

6:41

Arvidstein on board to recreate all

6:43

of these stories that we've not

6:45

been able to fully digest. And

6:47

that really opened it up. That's

6:49

when it became this more cinematic

6:51

experience. Yeah, you did that great

6:53

job with Rendelsham. You had illustrations

6:55

on that and animation on that.

6:57

I thought that was very well

6:59

done. And I mean, it was

7:01

a who's who. Now, some of

7:03

the people we've been able to

7:05

interview, Nick Pope, and Leslie, you

7:07

mentioned, others we've not, like Michio

7:09

Kaku, Seth Shostak. You had a

7:11

NASA official, Dr. Bostrum, as you

7:13

mentioned. I mean, really, you tapped

7:15

into a rich vein of people.

7:17

And what I liked about it

7:19

was... It wasn't just from one

7:21

point of view, right? You've got

7:23

SETI, which is way different than

7:25

kind of the the UFO bros,

7:28

I guess you call it. A

7:30

whole wide range of different kinds

7:32

of people. Why did you think

7:34

it was important to really kind

7:36

of go across that whole continuum?

7:38

Because this isn't a UFO documentary.

7:40

If I have to brand it

7:42

with one thing, the subject matter

7:44

is about that, but it's a

7:46

science documentary. And so in my

7:48

mind... I approached it like I

7:50

was doing a science documentary for

7:52

you know any bravo or discovery

7:54

like I had done before and

7:56

so I I wanted to, again,

7:58

not to take away from all

8:00

the great UFO documentaries that have

8:02

been out there and have inspired

8:04

me, and that are fantastic, but

8:06

I wanted to have this be

8:08

this grounded thing where it wasn't

8:10

following a path that we had

8:12

gone down before, but looking at

8:14

all the different splinters, you know,

8:16

of the road. Every time you

8:18

get a fork in the road

8:20

instead of going, okay, well, that's

8:23

it in the genre, thank you

8:25

very much, it was like, well,

8:27

well, wait a second. What if

8:29

these beans are from or us

8:31

from the future? You know? What

8:33

if they are from another dimension,

8:35

etc? Let's go down that road

8:37

and let's really mine it and

8:39

and either keep it on our

8:41

plate or take it off. And

8:43

so the goal was to have,

8:45

you know, the menu have, you

8:47

know, have it be like Baskin

8:49

Robbins where you have more flavors

8:51

than just the one and let

8:53

the audience decide. Oh, this resonates

8:55

with me. And like, you see

8:57

that I've got John Levin back

8:59

there. I remember as a kid

9:01

listening to the Beatles and at

9:03

first I'm like, oh my God,

9:05

Paul McCartney's my guy. And then

9:07

it was John Lennon and then

9:09

George Harrison and it ended up

9:11

with Ringo because it's just so

9:13

sweet. And I look at the

9:16

phenomenon like that. Anyone that you

9:18

talk to in the field and

9:20

a scientist in the field and

9:22

anything and the cosmos will tell

9:24

you that this is how you

9:26

you start with one thing and

9:28

then it kind of resonates and

9:30

you take that to a certain

9:32

point. and then something else comes

9:34

along. And so like when I

9:36

was interviewing Michael Masters, I did

9:38

the first interview that he had

9:40

ever done on camera. And we

9:42

were playing with it. It was

9:44

elastic at the time. And so

9:46

when we're doing our interview, we're

9:48

saying, I'm saying, you know, like

9:50

as an example, hybrids. I said,

9:52

how come no over and ever

9:54

talks about reptilian hybrids? Just human,

9:56

you know, humanoid hybrids. And so

9:58

that was another. a way to

10:00

underscore that these beans could be

10:02

us, the graze could be us.

10:04

because we can't mate with chimpanzees,

10:06

which share most of our DNA,

10:09

most of our genetic makeup. And

10:11

so the idea of them coming

10:13

in front of their planet and

10:15

being able to come here and

10:17

if, again, if you're going with

10:19

the, some people that have reported,

10:21

a lot of people have reported

10:23

to have been abducted and are

10:25

being co-opted into creating these hybrid

10:27

children, you couldn't do that. But

10:29

if they're us from the future

10:31

and they're having a problem with,

10:33

you know, genetic pool, genetic pool.

10:35

getting scarce. You know, so all

10:37

these different theories are coming at

10:39

you and, and, and looked upon

10:41

in a very serious way. I

10:43

mean, there's, there's also a lot

10:45

of levity in it and, and

10:47

fun. Some of it comes from

10:49

the animation. You know, I don't

10:51

believe that, that, you know, I

10:53

believe that, that the genre in

10:55

itself is, is really fun. And

10:57

so we can look at it,

10:59

you know, and, and provide you

11:02

with real hardcore evidence, but we

11:04

also have to have to have.

11:06

fun with it because at the

11:08

end of the day man you

11:10

know I'm looking at the the

11:12

backdrop of your place and I'm

11:14

going down that's really cool I

11:16

just want to stare at at

11:18

all the jellyfish everybody loves yeah

11:20

the jellyfish is tripping me out

11:22

yeah so so the thing is

11:24

what you mentioned there really resonates

11:26

with me because this July will

11:28

be 20 years we've been doing

11:30

this podcast which is the longest-running

11:32

podcast on the paranormal and when

11:34

I say paranormal normal to me

11:36

that includes UFOs Yeah, thank you.

11:38

That includes UFOs. Our second guest

11:40

in August of 2020, 2005, was

11:42

Stanton Friedman, very well known for

11:44

breaking the Roswell case and so

11:46

forth and so on. Very nuts

11:48

and bolts, you know, they're traveling

11:50

from here and those kind of

11:52

things. And that's the way I

11:54

kind of started going back to

11:57

when I was a kid and

11:59

watched in search of. I'm like,

12:01

okay, these are aliens. They're getting

12:03

in some kind of craft and

12:05

they're traveling across the cosmos and

12:07

they're coming here. The longer I

12:09

do this the more confused I

12:11

am because all Maybe they're interdimensional.

12:13

Oh, maybe, I totally blew off

12:15

the whole crypto-terrestrials idea, but we

12:17

see all these USOs coming from

12:19

under the ocean. Or maybe, like

12:21

you said, maybe they are us

12:23

from the future. Or maybe they

12:25

are ET. Or maybe it's a

12:27

combination. It almost seems like... Or

12:29

it's a simulation. It seems like

12:31

there's a trickster element. Just keeping

12:33

it out of reach, like kind

12:35

of... putting something in front of

12:37

you, grab it, and it goes

12:39

away. Do you think there's a

12:41

trickster element to all this? It's

12:43

so funny to say that I

12:45

just had lunch with Dave Foley,

12:47

who has become a formidable UFO

12:50

researcher. And we were talking about

12:52

exactly that. Bryce Dable was there

12:54

and a couple other great minds.

12:56

And we were kicking that around.

12:58

And at the end, I kind

13:00

of posed that example. I said,

13:02

you know, the phenomenon is controlling

13:04

the phenomenon. Not the other way

13:06

around. It's not like we can

13:08

go out and be, you know,

13:10

paleontologists and go, okay, well, this

13:12

place in Colorado has been known

13:14

for being a hotbed for finding,

13:16

you know, excavating dinosaur bones. It

13:18

is elusive. It's a lot of

13:20

it is, you know, crossover, bleed

13:22

over, you know, and you don't

13:24

have to go as far as

13:26

Bigfoot. You just look at... the

13:28

fact that a lot of people

13:30

who have who claim to have

13:32

been on on these crafts and

13:34

stuff have seen departed family members

13:36

that deceased family members that are

13:38

there so are they traveling the

13:40

Astroplane I mean it's there is

13:43

there is tons of crossover but

13:45

it is make no doubt about

13:47

it it's being parsed out you

13:49

mentioned Stanton Freeman the first podcast

13:51

that I ever did was with

13:53

Staten Freeman was on with a

13:55

bunch of other people And in

13:57

2018, it was, it was, it

13:59

was, it was, it was, it

14:01

was a big honor to be

14:03

in his presence. But it's. It's

14:05

something that I look at and

14:07

I kind of wonder, you know,

14:09

I spoke at Shag Harbor, a

14:11

convention, and at the end of

14:13

it, all the speakers were lined

14:15

up and we were pelted with

14:17

questions from the people who come,

14:19

you know, the people who come

14:21

to attend the conference. And it

14:23

was all about disclosure, disclosure disclosure.

14:25

And so I finally just said,

14:27

so what is disclosure? So what

14:29

is disclosure? for you guys. What

14:31

do you want? We want the

14:33

government to come out and say

14:36

these things are real, this and

14:38

that, and I said, okay, well,

14:40

they already did that. They're not

14:42

admitting that you may be abductions

14:44

are going on, but that may

14:46

be a bridge too far at

14:48

this point, but we got that.

14:50

So that's a pretty good item

14:52

on the menu that we're able

14:54

to get. What else do you

14:56

want? Well, we want to have,

14:58

you know, technology, I go, okay.

15:00

So that means that planes. can

15:02

be the weight of a car.

15:04

And so there's not gonna be

15:06

a chem trails and stuff, it'll

15:08

totally free things up, be good

15:10

for the environment, lovely, right? Yes.

15:12

What happens when some nation takes

15:14

anti-gravity and starts bouncing people off

15:16

the planet because they don't like

15:18

them? We pervert every technology that

15:20

we get. We're not there yet.

15:22

So it's kind of like, you

15:24

know, what else do you have

15:26

for me that you want to

15:28

achieve by, you know, intersecting with

15:31

these beans? And so... We're not

15:33

mature enough to handle that technology.

15:35

And when it comes to like

15:37

cleaning up the planet, I think

15:39

we need to own that and

15:41

we need to evolve to the

15:43

point that we can do it

15:45

for ourselves. Otherwise, literally, it is

15:47

a parent coming in saying, kids,

15:49

step aside, we're going to clean

15:51

your room, please keep it clean,

15:53

don't mess it up again. Okay,

15:55

I don't have to come back

15:57

here. And that's not right. So

15:59

I always kind of wonder. What

16:01

is it? Because right now, so

16:03

far, the phenomenon has been one

16:05

big awesome. trailer to a movie

16:07

that we don't know when it's

16:09

coming out. And so we're only

16:11

getting a certain bit of it,

16:13

but so far there's been no

16:15

spoilers. So the spoilers would be,

16:17

here's how you put together this

16:19

anti-gravitation. Here's how you cure cancer.

16:21

Here's whatever. They're kind of like

16:24

Star Trek, which is the prime

16:26

directive. Don't interfere. However, in Star

16:28

Trek, they always end up interfering

16:30

in every freaking episode. And somehow

16:32

kept and Kirk ends up with

16:34

the romantic interest. Oh yeah, so

16:36

sorry I'm I'm that's a rant

16:38

but but that to me is

16:40

kind of indicative of the phenomenon

16:42

and what kind of keeps me

16:44

going and why I occasionally will

16:46

take breaks and cleanse my palate

16:48

and do a movie and then

16:50

come back to it and You

16:52

know sometimes Foley will say to

16:54

me dude now is not the

16:56

time to take a break because

16:58

this is happening the congressional hearings

17:00

are happening. It's like oh damn.

17:02

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17:04

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17:33

my 50s, and when I grew

17:35

up we had one telephone in

17:37

the house, it was Western Electric

17:39

with a dial, and it was

17:41

the one with the receiver that

17:43

somebody on Colombo would use as

17:45

a murder weapon. Okay, that's... And

17:47

now I've got the iPhone 16

17:49

Pro Max, I can communicate with

17:51

anybody on the planet, video, audio,

17:53

whatever, as long as they're not

17:55

in some country that censoring them.

17:57

So it's a technological marvel. And

17:59

just in general, our lifestyle post-war

18:01

to now has technical... technologically advanced

18:03

so far, it seems to me

18:05

that there almost had to have

18:07

been some X factor. And there's

18:10

a lot of speculation, was something

18:12

captured, and then maybe that technology

18:14

was seated to places like Bell

18:16

Labs and so forth, and you

18:18

end up with the integrated circuit

18:20

and microchips and so forth and

18:22

so on. I'm a big fan

18:24

of that theory. Do you think

18:26

that theory is all wet or

18:28

do you think that at some

18:30

point... The U.S.S. government recovered some

18:32

technology and has been doing some

18:34

reverse engineering. What's your thought on

18:36

that theory? It's kind of like

18:38

it's all of the above and

18:40

none of the above, right? And

18:42

so what I mean by that

18:44

is, I always crudely joked that

18:46

when it comes to the phenomenon,

18:48

I'm not an easy date, you

18:50

know? I'm not going to put

18:52

a ring on my finger after

18:54

the first night. We're going to

18:56

have to... take some nice strolls

18:58

and have a peanut collod on

19:00

the beach before I start to

19:02

go. All right. So two things.

19:05

One is you look at 1869.

19:07

You know, horse buggy torches for

19:09

light. You go a hundred years

19:11

later and all of a sudden

19:13

we're on the moon. However, the

19:15

technology that we're on the moon

19:17

with is is less complicated than

19:19

your eye watch. And so it

19:21

In a lot of these technologies

19:23

and people that have created it,

19:25

and I've reverse engineered some of

19:27

that and looked at that, like

19:29

I think at some point someone

19:31

was saying Velcro or Fiber Optics

19:33

was a wonder and it came

19:35

about out of this and that.

19:37

Well, the people who did create

19:39

it, it's a disservice to them

19:41

who invented it, had the technology

19:43

to invent that. There have been

19:45

spikes all throughout mankind where someone

19:47

invents this and then that and

19:49

like with fire. fire apparently was

19:51

invented several times people had it

19:53

and then they'd lost it and

19:55

then we rediscovered it so so

19:58

that being said there is some

20:00

weird that is being done cloking

20:02

and stuff like that. I think with

20:04

AI, we're going to continue on

20:06

our own seeing fantastical

20:08

inventions coming. I do know that the

20:10

testimonies of David Grush

20:13

and others about the fact

20:15

that we have craft and

20:17

we've done some reverse engineering.

20:19

The one thing that I keep looking

20:21

at is every time when we go

20:23

to war situation, we use a technology

20:26

and we present the technology

20:28

to the world. for only one

20:30

reason, which is to say to our, our,

20:32

you know, foes, look at what we have.

20:35

So, you know, back the F off. And so,

20:37

the other time we do that is to

20:39

basically, the other, the other

20:41

technology, usually, like the stuff

20:44

bomber, doesn't get dropped until

20:46

they want to use it and they

20:48

want to test it in a real

20:50

world situation, a real fight situation. And

20:53

so it's kind of like a movie.

20:55

If you show the gun in the

20:57

first act. you better use it in the

20:59

third act. And so we have a tendency

21:01

all along to do that. And so when

21:04

it comes to stuff like the tick-tack,

21:06

when these people who try to debunk

21:08

it and say, you know, we have

21:10

supersonic technology, we've already been working

21:12

on that. I'm like, yeah, these

21:15

used to be called propanes, like

21:17

propanes, like propane tanks, decades ago.

21:19

And they were doing the same exact

21:22

thing and they looked identical. So

21:24

how did that technology, you know,

21:26

you know, get there. So I'm open

21:28

to it. I'm agnostic to it. But

21:30

I really still want that smoking

21:32

gun. I want to see

21:34

that tailpipe that gets dropped

21:36

on the table. And the

21:38

congressional hearing goes, here it is.

21:41

You know? Yeah. So, you know, I

21:43

think it's possible. Yeah, I'll leave it

21:45

at that. And I don't want

21:47

to give anything away, but watch

21:49

this documentary. There's some very interesting

21:52

developments possibly afoot on

21:55

terms of some evidence, and I'll leave

21:57

it at that. I'll leave it at

21:59

that. What do you think about what

22:01

we've seen with drones? I have a

22:04

theory, but I want to hear yours

22:06

first. So I wasn't really up on

22:08

the drones thing until I think December

22:10

15th, when it kind of came out.

22:13

But November 29th, my girlfriend Ali and

22:15

I were in Silver Lake, Los Angeles,

22:17

and we were looking beyond our deck,

22:19

and we saw seven drones. Seven lights

22:22

flying around. green, red, and blue. And

22:24

then some of them would kind of

22:26

flare out a big light and then

22:28

reduce the light, the light would dim

22:31

down and then they would continue moving

22:33

along. And so I use drones all

22:35

the time when I'm making a movie.

22:37

And that's to get shots up high

22:40

and everything to move around. Sure. It's

22:42

a real pain in the ass in

22:44

LA to use drones because you have

22:46

to get FAA approval, local air approval,

22:49

like when I want to shoot and...

22:51

the Dodger Stadium. They're having a game

22:53

there. And so we couldn't be within

22:55

five miles of that. So it's heavily

22:58

regulated. So I'm looking at them seeing

23:00

seven of these things and I'm going,

23:02

well, first of all, you only need

23:04

one, maybe two, what the hell's going

23:07

on? And so I start videotaping it.

23:09

And so for four and a half

23:11

minutes, I'm videotaping this thing. I'm going

23:13

to these helicopters or what are these?

23:16

And then that's it and I get

23:18

bored because they look prosaic prosaic, right.

23:20

And I go back inside and it's

23:22

still there maybe an hour later, I

23:25

don't remember. And that's it. And then

23:27

the news comes out, the Jersey drones,

23:29

and I go back and I dig

23:31

up this footage and I look at

23:34

it and I'm like, oh, okay, what,

23:36

wait, what? So it kind of sucker

23:38

punched me and then my daughter who's

23:40

much better at TikTok than I am,

23:43

we put her up on Tik Top.

23:45

Tik, through my company, Capture Pictures Official,

23:47

just three clips of it to see

23:49

what the reactions were. And some of

23:52

them were like, oh, those are the.

23:54

planes coming into LAX and it's like

23:56

yeah planes don't stop. It doesn't work

23:58

that way with physics that we know

24:01

our physics and and so that didn't

24:03

work but I was I look for

24:05

answers as much as I'm you know

24:07

because I never want to say I

24:10

have the answer to this because every

24:12

time I've done that I've landed on

24:14

my ass so I've I've learned to

24:16

curb my my hubrid just look at

24:19

things as a way that they are

24:21

and present it. And that was a

24:23

case where we did that and we

24:25

had like 30,000 views and I don't

24:28

know. That one was kind of in

24:30

my backyard. And so that got really

24:32

close. Well, that's the thing is that

24:34

I mean, for me, for the drones,

24:37

my feeling, I've not seen any of

24:39

them, I'm in Ohio, so I'm kind

24:41

of tucked away from the coasts, although

24:43

there were those ones, Wright Patterson. So

24:46

when the government says, and there was

24:48

also a picatine base up in New

24:50

Jersey, so when the government says, well,

24:52

there were no incursions into restrict space,

24:55

and that's where I believe that, I

24:57

do think there was a ton of

24:59

misidentification. A lot of people don't look

25:01

up at the sky. So I believe.

25:04

Langley, sorry, Langley as well. There were

25:06

jobs over Langley. And there was also

25:08

in 2023, I believe, in the West

25:10

Coast, maybe it was San Diego. So,

25:13

I mean, this is a thing. So,

25:15

my point is, yes, a lot of

25:17

misidentification, but I think that the, and

25:19

it's, you gotta be careful when we

25:22

talk about the government like a monolith.

25:24

But I think what we were hearing

25:26

out of the White House and things

25:28

were like, oh, it's all misidentification. There's

25:31

not, well, yeah, there was a lot

25:33

of misidentification, but there was a lot

25:35

of stuff that was very, very, very

25:37

bizarre going on, and has been going

25:40

on for quite some time. Is it

25:42

alien? Is it an adversary? Is it

25:44

American military? You know, testing something? Although

25:46

my friend Paul Gladhill, we spoke with

25:49

recently on the show about that, and

25:51

he said that would be a very

25:53

dangerous way to test US technology against

25:55

its own military. You could end with

25:58

things getting shot down and things. The

26:00

point being, though, I believe there is

26:02

a there-there, not that every time somebody

26:04

said, oh, I saw a drone, you

26:07

may have seen a plane coming into

26:09

LAX, not you, but somebody else, less

26:11

sophisticated. But there's still, I believe there's

26:13

a there-there-there. What it is, I don't

26:16

know that we'll ever find out. I'm,

26:18

to be honest, the more that I've

26:20

looked in it, the more scared I

26:22

get. Because if it is adversaries, and

26:25

they're coming all the way here, and

26:27

when we've sent drones up, even the

26:29

DGI drones that you can get, the

26:31

high-end ones, they have been reported to

26:34

be turned off, where they just make

26:36

them, they incapacitateate them, and they drop

26:38

from the sky. So they're blocking that.

26:40

That's a technology I'm not aware, also

26:43

being able to stay up for hours.

26:45

You know, it, again, let's just throw

26:47

it out there, right? Conspiracy, let's just

26:49

dive in and consider everything. If they're

26:52

able to mask themselves, if they're coming

26:54

from their planet or wherever they're coming

26:56

from, they're able to mask themselves as

26:58

a mosaic technology, that's genius. And it's

27:01

terrifying. And there have been reports of

27:03

that. throughout history, where it looks like

27:05

somebody said it was like a small

27:07

little Cessna, and then all of a

27:10

sudden it became this thing. But to

27:12

have such clear footage of this going

27:14

on, I mean, you'll see the footage

27:16

if you go to the TikTok thing,

27:19

you'll see the footage, you'll see what

27:21

flares out, the light flares out and

27:23

everything. That, you know, a lot of

27:25

people in the community, we've been feeling

27:28

like, you know, is this a recon?

27:30

What's going on? What's going on here?

27:32

Yeah, it's not us. We're not sure

27:34

if it's the enemies. Probably not. So

27:37

these are just drones. We don't know

27:39

what's going on. here. That's not good.

27:41

That's not good. Because if these are

27:43

able to carry certain things, pathogen, stuff

27:46

like that, now it's it's full-on Deafcon

27:48

1. It gets into a lot of

27:50

national security stuff because there are no

27:52

you know good answers, right? If these

27:55

are actually happening, especially if the government

27:57

really doesn't know what's going on, that's

27:59

a total indictment of the US military.

28:01

And I'm not talking about the rank

28:04

and file I'm talking about the leadership.

28:06

and the people who run the country.

28:08

It's a total, and this is not

28:10

a Republican Democrat thing in my way,

28:13

thinking anyway. This is just a total

28:15

indictment of our intelligence community and everything.

28:17

If we truly don't know what's going

28:19

on, I think the government knows more

28:22

than they're letting on. They may not

28:24

know the whole answer. But if it's

28:26

Iran, if it's China, if it's Russia.

28:28

Again, if they're at our doorstep with

28:31

these drones that have this capacity to

28:33

stay airborne, I mean, for example, you

28:35

run drones for your filmmaking, right? What

28:37

is, how long can you keep a

28:40

drone up under current technology, a high-end

28:42

drone? If I'm lucky, half an hour.

28:44

There you go. Now, obviously, militaries have

28:46

better stuff, no question. Right. But the

28:49

point being, these have been up for

28:51

hours, people are reporting. And, you know...

28:53

We made the point in a previous

28:55

episode, if China or somebody wanted to

28:58

kind of say to the incoming administration,

29:00

hey, you know, we're talking about these

29:02

tariffs, we're talking about all these things

29:04

you're going to do, maybe that's not

29:07

such a good idea. You know, that's

29:09

one possibility. And what I said was,

29:11

it's a nice country you have there.

29:13

It would be a shame if anything

29:16

happened to it, kind of thing. And

29:18

believe me, I'm Mr. U.S. Patriot, so

29:20

I'm rootinging for our military to figure

29:22

this out if they don't if they

29:25

don't know. if they don't know what's

29:27

going on. But to your point, if

29:29

it's alien, if it's off world, that's

29:31

also distressing. They can come and go

29:34

as they please, but I... I mean,

29:36

I guess by definition if they're coming

29:38

here, they can come and go as

29:40

they place probably because there's so much

29:43

more advance than we are. Yeah, I'm

29:45

not really worried about that for some

29:47

reason and maybe that's just being blindly

29:49

optimistic, but they've been here for so

29:52

long. My mother saw a UFO coming

29:54

along the water like it was going

29:56

in or going out. It was dusk,

29:58

Northern California in the 70s, and then

30:01

it just took off. And so I

30:03

look at that. And I'm not experiencing

30:05

anything, which is driving me nuts, which

30:07

is probably driving me to make these

30:10

documents. But I look at this and

30:12

I go, at any point they could

30:14

wipe us out. I mean, no contest.

30:16

And the military will say that. And

30:19

so I think what's going on with

30:21

the drones is that they don't have

30:23

the answer. And so they may be

30:25

saying, let us get back to you.

30:28

Here's what we're thinking right now. There's

30:30

a possibility of that, though they may.

30:32

I'm sure there are a few steps

30:34

ahead of us, let's just leave it

30:37

at that, but they don't have a

30:39

response to that because they're not able

30:41

to have a military response to that.

30:43

So what is our gain plan? I

30:46

mean, are we going to have them

30:48

start shooting these things down over American

30:50

homes, that artillery like they did with

30:52

the Los Angeles? Yeah, Battle of Los

30:55

Angeles in 1942, yeah. And some of

30:57

that over DC in 1952 in 1952

30:59

in 1952 in 1952. Yeah. And some

31:01

of that over DC in 1952 in

31:04

1952 in 1952 in 1952 in 1952

31:06

in 1952 in 1952 in 1952 in

31:08

1952 in 1952 in 1952 in 1952

31:10

in 1952 in 1952 in 1952 in

31:13

1952 in 1952 in 1952 in 1952

31:15

in 1952 in 1952 in 1952. In

31:17

1952 in 1952 in 1952. So it's

31:19

a dangerous proposition either way. You have

31:22

to, whatever, however you deal with it,

31:24

it has to be surgical. But as

31:26

far as, you know, anyone coming to

31:28

wipe us out, that would have been

31:31

done long time ago. And to underscore

31:33

that even more, Stephen Hawking famously said,

31:35

we never should have sent out Voyager.

31:37

We never should have let people know

31:40

that we're here because how advanced civilizations

31:42

treat other civilizations. It's not gonna bode

31:44

well for us. And I'm like, well.

31:46

We're late to the game in the

31:49

universe man. We are like by a

31:51

few billion years. So there's a good

31:53

chance at some other technology or some

31:55

other civilization, develop technology way ahead of

31:58

us, not a hundred, like Michiosos in

32:00

the dock or a thousand, but millions

32:02

or billions of years. And so they

32:04

have their own telescopes that are gonna

32:07

be 10 to the 10th power or

32:09

100th power. Right. And so they can

32:11

see that we've got atmosphere. So we've

32:13

already been given it away by just

32:16

our existence. So having a little thing

32:18

that's moving, you know, slowly through space,

32:20

it's not a threat. Cats out of

32:22

the bag is what I'm saying. I

32:25

got to believe when you do, and

32:27

I'm going to bring it up again,

32:29

the alien perspective, when you do a

32:31

documentary like this in a major work

32:34

like this, something ends up surprising you.

32:36

Even if you're well steeped in the

32:38

information and you've done the research and

32:40

you've done the reading, you'll be, oh,

32:43

I didn't think of that or I

32:45

didn't know about that. Where there are

32:47

a few of those aha moments in

32:49

this show? In every segment, every chapter,

32:52

there was one or two. of those.

32:54

I mentioned one talking to Mike Masters.

32:56

I said to him as an example,

32:58

I go, you know, what's with the

33:01

whole anal probing thing? Is that necessary?

33:03

And he said, yes, this is what

33:05

we do. We take stool samples of

33:07

all the, you know, when we tag

33:10

a bear, we tranquilize it, tag it.

33:12

It's, he found so many similarities similarities.

33:14

With regards to that. and I would

33:16

ask those questions that no one wanted

33:19

to, you know, the delicate questions that

33:21

no one wanted to do. But yeah,

33:23

without giving too much away, each of

33:25

them, each of those segments, we were

33:28

able to get in and look at

33:30

it from areas that I hadn't before

33:32

and I got answers that I did

33:34

not expect. You know, the simulated reality,

33:37

you know, I thought that that was

33:39

basically him saying, you know, as a...

33:41

as figurative, you know, speaking figuratively, that...

33:43

whoever would create this reality that were

33:46

living, that they would be, you know,

33:48

aliens. And he says, no, they would

33:50

be aliens. They would not be from

33:52

here. And what that meant, which was

33:55

like, oh my God, this is like

33:57

blowing my mind. And David Chalmers, who

33:59

was the counterpart in his section, you

34:01

know, this guy worked with the Wachowski

34:04

brothers on the Matrix and did essays

34:06

on how this is all plausible. and

34:08

how it would be possible and how

34:10

it would be manipulated. So yeah, it

34:13

wasn't just one thing. It was, you

34:15

know, one that led to another or

34:17

another and, and, you know, I'm very

34:19

grateful to all those that participated in

34:22

this who wanted to munch on this

34:24

because it was really kind of just

34:26

sitting down and saying, let's, you know,

34:28

let's kick the tires of this and

34:31

let's see, you know, what do you

34:33

think? And no, nothing was taken off

34:35

the table, wasn't like, like, I just

34:37

stay in my lane, I just stay

34:40

in my lane, I just stay in

34:42

my lane here, I just stay in

34:44

my lane here. You know, I create

34:46

a safe space so anyone can talk

34:49

about anything and some weird stuff came

34:51

up with that. One thing I'm reminded

34:53

of and then we'll tell everybody where

34:55

they can find the documentary is we're

34:58

just observing as we record this, the

35:00

passing of Jimmy Carter. And you interviewed

35:02

Nick Pope, who's been on the show.

35:04

for this documentary, he's one of the

35:07

people, and he talks about the idea

35:09

of maybe the reason we're not being

35:11

told by the powers of B, if

35:13

they do know what's going on, is

35:16

that there is a secret too terrible

35:18

to be told. And that's one of

35:20

the theories. And there's an apocryphal story

35:22

about Jimmy Carter. Now, whether this is

35:25

true or not, people claim that they

35:27

know that it's true, a lot of

35:29

people claim a lot of things, but

35:31

the story about him was, of course,

35:34

he had his own UFO citing in

35:36

1969, and he said before he's like,

35:38

I'm going to, you know, I'm going

35:40

to release the files, I'm going to,

35:43

I'm going to tell the truth about

35:45

this. And then all of a sudden,

35:47

radio silence, kind of, apparently the story

35:49

goes, and again, I'm not saying, saying

35:52

this is true, I just think it's

35:54

interesting. He was told, he was briefed

35:56

by the CIA supposedly, as the story

35:58

goes, and he was told that we

36:01

were created by aliens. And he's a

36:03

man of faith, right? He taught Sunday

36:05

school and so forth, and he wept.

36:07

It was one of those stories that

36:10

was too terrible to be told, the

36:12

fact that we weren't created by a

36:14

creator as he believed, but we were

36:16

created by creator, the aliens. And this

36:19

was so impactful to him. that he

36:21

cried and he dropped the subject and

36:23

you know didn't talk about it a

36:25

lot after that. I mean that is

36:28

an interesting theory to me. Again it's

36:30

one of those stories that goes around

36:32

you never know if it's true or

36:34

not but I always thought that was

36:37

fascinating. Yeah kind of who's patient zero

36:39

on that truth you know who said

36:41

that? Yeah you know a lot of

36:43

these things you have to do a

36:46

lot of work to kind of reverse

36:48

engineer and find out where these came

36:50

from. We are a freak of nature.

36:52

First of all, you being 50 in

36:55

your 50s is a miracle. We shouldn't

36:57

be living this long. That's why our

36:59

bodies deteriorate and everything and we see

37:01

that people weren't really privy to that

37:04

way back when. It was just all

37:06

right, well the saber-toothed got ed. So

37:08

that sets are they just died of,

37:10

you know, whatever disease would happen, would

37:13

come across them. So I look at

37:15

that and I... and I go, okay,

37:17

well, again, and Mike Masters will talk

37:19

about this, we're not really supposed to

37:22

even this species be here, you know,

37:24

the ones that that are more like

37:26

us, more indigenous to this planet, some

37:28

would argue, is the primates that are

37:31

here. And even as a kid, I

37:33

used to have this vision of someone

37:35

who had red hair that they were

37:37

maybe you know it's it's it's it's

37:40

really cartoonish in my brain as a

37:42

kid but it was like maybe that's

37:44

an and rang a tangent you know

37:46

and and someone came got to our

37:49

planet and just ran up the DNA

37:51

genetic splicing and we came from these

37:53

primates. And so for some reason, we

37:55

haven't been able to, you know, we

37:58

say we come in a sludge and

38:00

if you look at it, because there

38:02

was a point where the chimpanzees and

38:04

the humans, the primates, we were identical,

38:07

virtually identical. So what, what, so I

38:09

don't, I don't know that I'm, that

38:11

I have is not enough information and

38:13

I've researched on us coming out of

38:16

nowhere and being seated here and being

38:18

seated here. by, you know, like say,

38:20

you know, in a Prometheus alien. But

38:22

there is enough evidence to question how

38:25

did we splinter off? And what happened

38:27

to the Neanderthals, by the way? But

38:29

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's weird. But

38:31

we, the thing at the end of

38:34

the day is we're very animalistic, right?

38:36

And so when I think about the,

38:38

the incredible creation that man is. man

38:40

and women. That is, I think, what

38:43

is our potential? And, you know, like,

38:45

I forgot who, I don't know if

38:47

it was Karl Sagan, but they, it

38:49

just won my brain, but the type

38:52

four species, we're not even a type

38:54

one. You know, we can't terra firm

38:56

other planets, we can't do all this

38:58

stuff that we, we hopefully one day

39:01

will, but again, it's our maturity, the

39:03

fact that we're animals. We have to,

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those things have to go hand in

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hand in, man, technology and maturity and

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maturity and maturity. and evolving as a

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people, that has to go hand in

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hand if we're not going to, you

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know, shoot our own feet off. Well,

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one thing that we need to do,

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and Dean has done it, is to

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talk about these matters if we are

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to read any kind of evolution in

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our thinking or any kind of resolution

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in what's going on, and he's done

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that with the alien perspective. Where can

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people find the documentary and tune into

39:36

it right away? Today it just dropped

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on Apple TV. and Amazon.

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So So you you

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have either of those,

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in you're going to

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be fun. I agree. I

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for some fun. enjoyed it.

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Dean, agree. so much Really

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enjoyed it. us today on

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thank you so

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much for joining us

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today on the Thank

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you very much. I Thank

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you very much. I

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appreciate it. great

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to be here, Jim.

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here, Jim. Thank you

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for tuning in. We

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appreciate it. We'll

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talk to you next

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time and keep

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your and the your eye to

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skies. Bye.