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Imagine Odie being like Garfield, do you

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Garfield reads that again. Do you think Garfield would be cool with

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that? Or do you think Garfield would have some questions and issues with

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that? I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't don't know. Wow. I don't

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have been just up for it. No, I just

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don't know the nature of their relationship. so

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they've lived together for a long time. I don't

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know. I don't know. Garfield does seem like someone who's

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So when we do the podcast,

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sometimes we get to like do

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ropes. in paintball. Sometimes we got to

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get our little chisels out and do

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that's what this week's episode. Well,

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6:25

to say is, this week, we were

6:27

camping out with one, because I will. History

6:29

is about the Blake Lively, Justin

6:31

Maldoni, feud, legal feud. This is the

6:33

most diems we've ever gotten. So we knew

6:35

we needed to spend some time on it,

6:38

but it is a complicated thing. And we

6:40

are not, you're an English major. She's a theater

6:42

major. I'm a sociology major. So- It's

6:44

the perfect comp. It's like Captain Planet, hands

6:46

combined. We're gonna get to the bottom of

6:48

this thing. I think we're gonna sort it

6:50

really easily easily and well. So I feel

6:53

like- People we probably have a cross section

6:55

of people who have some kind of understanding people

6:57

who are like really dialed in and have read

6:59

the briefings People who have no idea who these

7:01

people are what's going on somewhere in the middle.

7:04

I feel like that's where I kind of found

7:06

myself so before we get into Maybe like

7:08

the nuts and bolts of it. Do you want

7:10

to like do a quick summary to catch everybody

7:12

up Jamie? Okay, so speaking of people know, we

7:14

actually did a poll on Instagram and 11,000

7:16

people voted in the poll. And we asked,

7:18

how much do you know about the Blake

7:20

Library, Justin Baldoni? And the options were, and

7:22

Aaron, I would like you to tell me

7:24

where you fall in this. Okay. The options

7:26

are, what happened? Next, a little, but not

7:28

a lot of detail. I've read articles.

7:30

Listen to podcast,

7:33

listen to podcast,

7:35

watch Tiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktikt. Wow. Like a

7:37

little? Like I know something's going on?

7:39

Well that was 55%. 55% of the

7:41

people who voted said that's where they

7:43

fall. Shout out to the 85 of

7:45

you who have seen that water birth

7:47

like me. You are a different person

7:50

having seen that. So most people

7:52

don't. So let's talk about it.

7:54

So Colleen Hoover, she wrote a

7:56

book called It Ends with Us,

7:58

which is a contemporary romance. explores

8:00

domestic violence and emotional abuse. It's a

8:03

very serious book. This book is a

8:05

slow burn in many ways because when

8:07

it was published in 2016, how

8:09

many copies do y'all think it sold

8:11

in its first year? In its first year.

8:14

numbers are so hard. I know you're

8:16

both authors though you're both. Aaron

8:18

here's the deal. Jamie Muffin for

8:20

a second. I feel like she

8:22

always just tries to like whatever

8:24

we guess she's like ha stupid.

8:26

That's right I think you're right I

8:28

think it is. I'm gonna start going

8:31

high okay you go I'm gonna

8:33

go comically high okay I'm gonna

8:35

go comically high okay I'm gonna

8:37

go comically low. Yeah smart okay.

8:39

A hundred million. So as much as

8:41

I of the Christie got it. Got

8:44

it. Who's closer? It actually is Aaron.

8:46

Yes. It was 30. It's 36,000 copies.

8:48

Good job. So in her first year,

8:50

she only sells 36,000 copies, but

8:52

by 2019, she has sold a million

8:54

copies. So it's a slow burn

8:56

go where people are learning about this

8:59

book and really loving it. And one

9:01

of those people was Justin Baldoni. Now,

9:03

you may know him from Jane the

9:05

Virgin, which I think is the only

9:07

thing he's ever done that I would

9:10

know him from. I think. But he

9:12

and his best friend Jamie with a

9:14

Y, so not great. And his friend

9:16

Steve, because we all have a friend

9:18

Steve, they decided to start a film

9:21

studio that same year called Wayfarer. And

9:23

with Steve's $25 million check that he

9:25

deposited into the Wayfarer account, that

9:28

was one of their first purchases.

9:30

Were the rights to, it ends

9:32

with us. And the subsequent that

9:34

she was currently writing, it starts

9:36

with us, the sequel. by the right. That's where

9:39

I'm I'm I was a little confused at the

9:41

at the get go because I'm like you didn't

9:43

know who he was yeah didn't watch James in

9:45

the Virgin he sounded like a designated hitter for

9:48

the mid-90s athletics you know for sure so I

9:50

was like I don't know this guy I've never

9:52

seen this guy I don't understand why he because

9:54

I didn't know about the calling Hoover and and

9:57

it ends with us I knew that was a

9:59

big deal right. So I didn't understand how

10:01

he came to acquire the rights to that

10:03

book, which felt like a big deal. Just

10:05

money, just loved it. And Godion, because

10:07

listen, it was a solid investment, because

10:09

book doc, book talk, two years later,

10:11

picks up the heat on this book,

10:13

and they blow it up. They blow

10:15

it up so significantly that in January

10:17

of 2022, six years after it publishes,

10:19

it debuts at number one on the

10:21

New York Times Best Seller list. And

10:23

it ends up being the best-selling book of

10:26

all books for 2022. and 2023. So

10:28

close to 100 million at this

10:30

point? 10 million. 10 million. More

10:32

than 15. That's right. So it's

10:34

told, it's now sold 10 million

10:37

copies. So they're going to make

10:39

a movie, right? And Justin Maldoni,

10:41

Colin Hoover comes out and says,

10:43

love Justin Maldoni. He has the

10:46

vision. He's going to honor what

10:48

I'm doing. These are all from

10:50

her Instagram. Yeah. And she's like,

10:52

and he is my perfect rile.

10:55

Again, a lot of notes for Colleen, but

10:57

no matter. And so Blake Lively gets

10:59

cast as the lead in this

11:01

movie and gets an executive producer

11:03

credit, which is often very common

11:05

for actors who are involved, but I

11:07

did find out she does not fund any

11:09

of this project. So no money goes towards

11:11

this, but she's a big name. Now, this

11:13

is when the first public outcry occurs because

11:16

the people who love this book, who love

11:18

it so deeply, they're concerned about her being

11:20

cast because Lily in the book is 23

11:22

years old. And Blake Lovely is not

11:25

23 years old. She is 37.

11:27

And so people take issue with

11:29

that. And as they begin to

11:31

film, they start filming in May

11:33

of 2023. Poparazzi shots

11:35

are taken. People are really concerned

11:37

about Lily's wardrobe being similar to

11:39

that of Joey when he puts

11:41

on all of Chandler's clothes. Oh.

11:43

And people have been frustrated or worried

11:45

about that than the fact that no

11:47

one knew who Justin Baldoni was. Like

11:50

he's a no they were very worried

11:52

about that because people wanted

11:54

somebody also younger because he's

11:56

also too old to play this role. But

11:58

he isn't. He's not too too. old because

12:00

he is a surgeon. Red flag that

12:02

Lily could have caught on the front

12:05

end, which is maybe a surgeon great.

12:07

too old for me. These 15, 20

12:09

years older than me. I should skip

12:11

that guy. So they start filming in

12:13

May, they have to pause in June,

12:16

not because of the writer strike affecting

12:18

them, but because they have pickets outside

12:20

of where they're filming. So they stop

12:22

filming, and then they have to stay

12:25

on pause because of the sag strike,

12:27

the actor strike, and they resume shooting

12:29

in January. That matters if you later

12:31

are going to read these lawsuits, so

12:34

you can kind of get a sense

12:36

of what's going on. So first inklingings

12:38

of drama, we get. is in June

12:40

of last summer. And it's because the

12:42

first screening of the movie is at

12:45

Book Bonanza in Great Von Texas. Now,

12:47

we three all have been to Great

12:49

Von Texas and done love shows in

12:51

Great Von Texas. It's a weird place

12:54

to prepare your film. I'm gonna be

12:56

honest with you. Most people just call

12:58

it Dallas, but I learned. Oh, don't

13:00

do that. It's like you can't call

13:03

Houston, the Woodlands, Houston, because the Woodlands

13:05

don't like that. They're like, they're not

13:07

part of that. So, and the thing

13:09

is, it's, it's the cast, the lead,

13:11

like the cast and Colleen Hoover showing

13:14

an unfinished cut of the film. And

13:16

Justin is not mentioned and he is

13:18

not there. And so that's the first

13:20

thing where people are like. That's weird.

13:23

Why would they show an unfinished cut

13:25

of a film without the director present?

13:27

And no one mentioned him. I would,

13:29

I gotta be honest, I would have

13:32

had some questions. You would have had

13:34

some questions. And then that builds throughout

13:36

the summer because there is no press

13:38

where Blake and Justin are together at

13:40

all. There's no like they're holding puppies

13:43

together. They're doing a lie detector test.

13:45

They're not doing that. No chicken shop

13:47

date with both of them is what

13:49

you're saying. That's exactly right. media training

13:52

Ninja skills to dodge any reference to

13:54

him. And in the midst of this,

13:56

everybody unfollers Justin Baldoni on social media.

13:58

Okay. Including like Leslie's husband Ryan Reynolds.

14:01

Now at time so everybody's like mmm

14:03

he seems suspicious but the problem is

14:05

also there is bad press about Blake

14:07

because she's criticized because she's promoting her

14:09

hair care line while she's doing interviews

14:12

she is encouraging cinema goers to bring

14:14

their florals and if you were like

14:16

me and you read the book you're

14:18

like this isn't Barbie yeah someone's gonna

14:20

get hit in the face down a

14:23

stairwell so this is not great and

14:25

she also did pop-up bars of her

14:27

and her husband's alcohol lines at premieres

14:30

and at movie events, which Alcohol plays

14:32

a big role in domestic violence. And

14:34

so, anyway, we get the premiere on August

14:36

6, and that is going to be the

14:38

task. We're going to be like, well, they've

14:40

all got to be there, right? No. Justin

14:42

is not photographed with anyone. It's like he's

14:44

taken out of a prison van, his chains

14:46

are unlocked, and he's put on the car.

14:49

It's got the Lector mask on. That's right.

14:51

They let him take one photo and they're

14:53

like one photo and they're like... get

14:55

the air out. So, and it's weird

14:57

that he's not in the cat, like

14:59

there's a big group photo, and he's

15:01

not only the director, but he's also

15:03

in the cast, so it's very strange.

15:05

And, and then one week later, he

15:07

hires veteran PR crisis manager Melissa

15:10

Nathan, who has represented what I

15:12

consider the Holy Trinity of They

15:14

Need Better Press, and that is

15:16

Johnny Depp, Drake, and Logan Paul.

15:18

Okay. That's a tough group. You

15:20

got to sprinkle in like a

15:22

pro bono with just a great

15:24

person. With a great person. And

15:26

that's not it. And Rick Moranis

15:29

traffic ticket. He's in my roster now. I

15:31

know. And now I don't know what to think.

15:33

I know. And that's our kind of

15:35

worst press at that point. Because it's

15:37

like, why would he hire Johnny Depp?

15:39

And it's actually like, is he a

15:41

good girl? You bad girl? Like what's

15:43

happening. And it mainly does now. By

15:45

the way. By the way, by the way, I look.

15:48

December and it's 11. So after that last

15:50

push of like, why did he hire

15:52

Melissa Nathan? You don't, do you

15:54

see 11 articles in September, October,

15:56

November, and most of December until

15:58

December 20th, when Blake. lively files

16:00

with sexual harassment complaint against

16:03

Baldoni with the California Civil

16:05

Rights Department. It accuses him

16:08

of sexual harassment during filming

16:10

and as well as retaliation against Lythe.

16:12

The next day a lengthy investigation in

16:14

the New York Times is published by

16:17

Megan Toey. You may know Megan Toey

16:19

everyone as Kerry Mulligan from the movie

16:21

She Said which is based on the

16:24

book She Said which won a Pulitzer

16:26

for taking down Harvey Weinstein. Okay. And

16:28

then on New Year's Eve, that complaint

16:31

that she filed with the Civil

16:33

Rights Department, it gets moved into

16:35

lawsuit. She files it in New

16:37

York, a federal court. And then

16:40

he also, same day, launches his

16:42

own lawsuit in California against the

16:44

New York Times. And that's, and

16:46

he sues reliable. So that's where

16:49

we found ourselves. Now, and now

16:51

we just got Justin Baldoni's

16:53

attorney talking to anybody

16:55

who will listen. So we're just waiting

16:58

on jury trials because both of them

17:00

have demanded jury trials for which will

17:02

be hilarious if that actually happens it will

17:04

be yeah they want I do just branching

17:06

off what you said about his lawyer I

17:08

do enjoy a little bit of the bluster

17:11

of like you're not going to believe you're

17:13

not going to believe the things we're going

17:15

to talk about every 51 we know killed

17:17

Kennedy it's her like lively kill Kennedy like

17:19

it's all the stuff being speculated she's a

17:22

time traveler she's a time-traveler just like

17:24

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17:26

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going in, let's

21:50

say pre -Blake Lively

21:52

lawsuit that

21:54

kicked all this back up

21:56

again. Yeah. For you, where

21:59

had the dust settled? primarily and like

22:01

not like binary this is good this is

22:03

bad but like what was your feeling on

22:05

that situation before the lawsuits there

22:07

had been rumors that had gotten

22:09

out like that are actually represented

22:11

in the lawsuits particularly that he

22:14

had fat shamed her that she

22:16

had taken control of the editing

22:18

of the film. And I think

22:20

I had landed on, I think

22:23

both of these people aren't likable.

22:25

Yeah. I kind of already knew,

22:27

like, I really wasn't likable because

22:30

I'm sorry, if you launch a

22:32

lifestyle brand called Preserve and your

22:34

first editorial photo shoot that you're

22:36

in is titled The Allure of Antibellum.

22:38

Oh. I'm already out, you know what

22:41

I mean? But I thought, oh, these,

22:43

it never occurred to me that there

22:45

was, like, there could be

22:48

potential sexual harassment or

22:50

things like that. I just felt

22:52

like, oh, these people didn't gel.

22:54

And now, because we ended with

22:56

him, he was asked, at the

22:58

premiere, he was asked, are you

23:00

going to direct the sequel? And

23:02

he goes, you know what? I

23:04

don't think so. I think Blake

23:06

Leslie's ready to direct. passing the

23:08

baton to her because she wants,

23:10

but he has the rights so she

23:13

can't do it without him. And so

23:15

I thought, so I just thought, I

23:17

bet he's, she's going to buy the rights

23:19

from him. He'll make a pretty

23:21

penny and they'll put this all behind

23:23

them. Yeah, you know, I think I'd

23:25

kind of gotten to the same point

23:28

as you. I think I'm not as

23:30

news or media savvy as you are,

23:32

so I tend to be a little

23:34

bit of a intellectual chud when

23:36

it comes like I get manipulated right?

23:38

Basically if they're like if they hired

23:40

the dream scumbag team yeah and like

23:42

Blake Lively didn't kill baby Hitler I'm

23:44

like it makes a lot of sense

23:46

she probably didn't so I it's not

23:48

that I was like Blake Lively good

23:50

Justin down doing bad I was kind

23:53

of like you like um it seems

23:55

like both these people are probably difficult

23:57

and that's kind of where it landed

23:59

for me I think particularly, I

24:01

think I got, it was the disadvantageous

24:03

synchronicity of Blake Lively.

24:06

The reputation was a, I don't,

24:08

well, whether it was deserved or not, I

24:10

have no idea, but the reputation was like,

24:13

I don't know if she's the best. Not

24:15

in terms of like, she kills babies, but

24:17

in terms of like, she might not be

24:19

fun. And then you had the, I can't

24:22

remember the interviewer's name who uploaded the,

24:24

she was complimenting Blake Lively's, I think,

24:26

pregnancy bump and then Blake Lively didn't

24:28

like that and said something about her

24:30

about, it was not a good look

24:32

for her. And then you also have

24:34

the cross promotional weird messaging of like, by

24:36

my stuff, which is weird when you think about

24:38

the message of this movie. And then I think

24:41

even, it was kind of weird of like,

24:43

everyone seemed aligned on like, like this story

24:45

is kind of cool and like, like, like,

24:47

like, let's have fun. And he was

24:49

the only one that was like,

24:51

no, this is about like trauma,

24:53

this is about like tough stuff.

24:55

So it was, it wasn't necessarily

24:58

clean cut of like, here's who

25:00

you should be rooting for. It

25:02

was just like, I don't understand

25:04

all the different messages that I'm

25:06

getting and who, because this person

25:09

should be here if I think

25:11

they're in the right, but they're

25:13

not. So I'm confused now. So it

25:15

was kind of like, turned on

25:18

her a little bit at that time because

25:20

he was doing all the things you were

25:22

saying. The only thing that kept me really

25:24

on her team is why did everyone follow

25:26

him? Yeah. Even like Jenny Slade, like

25:28

why are those, why are none of

25:31

them following him anymore? And then also

25:33

his podcast partner, so he has a

25:35

podcast and his podcast partner went to

25:38

the premiere, did not photograph with

25:40

him and only tagged Blake Lively.

25:42

And I went, if I went to

25:44

a movie premiere that Knox had. directed

25:46

and was drawing in, which I would go

25:48

to that premiere, just know that, and whether

25:50

you embedded me or not, I would try.

25:53

But if I went and I found out

25:55

you were in a beef with Jennifer Lawrence

25:57

from that film, and I only took picture.

26:00

with Jennifer Lawrence, I think

26:02

people would be like, why should I

26:04

be not taking any pictures with Knox

26:06

or tagging Knox at all in this?

26:08

And that also gave me pause because

26:10

I was like, now, what's Liz up to you?

26:13

Why isn't Liz on team Justin

26:15

either? This is weird. Yeah, there's

26:17

got to be something there, right?

26:19

So now, so that's pre- Blake-Lively

26:21

lawsuit. It seemed to be two, two,

26:23

I won't call them hinge points, but

26:25

two. big signifiers that showed that

26:28

there's more than me see I

26:30

here. Number one, this is a

26:32

bigger conversation, we don't have to

26:34

get into right now, is the

26:37

paper trail and the text messages

26:39

and the communication supporting, this

26:41

was like a calculated PR

26:43

attack. And then I think there

26:45

was, and maybe there was before this,

26:47

but I did not see this or

26:50

look into it. The, some texture on

26:52

what the. inappropriate sexual conduct was. You

26:54

got some actual, because it was a

26:57

legal briefing, you did get that detailed

26:59

out of like what that actually means

27:01

instead of vaguely whatever that could be.

27:03

That's where it went for me of

27:06

like, okay, now there's actually

27:08

some, I can put some experiences to

27:10

some accusations and it really doesn't look

27:12

good for him now. So understanding all

27:14

that now, I think, you know, before

27:17

we're getting the specifics, I do feel

27:19

like it's helpful because you know we

27:21

spend a little bit last year talking

27:23

about celebrity beefs and it's kind of

27:26

this vague idea of just famous people

27:28

in disagreements and that's true but there's

27:30

all different kinds of disagreements we can

27:32

get into so I think I got

27:35

it down to what is this five so

27:37

let's call it like five different cuts of

27:39

celebrity beef okay okay we've got the we

27:41

used to be friends beef okay that's an

27:44

easy one that happens all the time

27:46

you've got Katie Perry Taylor Swift you got

27:48

Dim Lovato you got mildly sires, right? We

27:50

used to be friends, something may have happened,

27:52

and now it's almost like because we

27:54

used to be friends, now this beef and

27:56

this feud has like arisen and got some

27:58

oxygen. We have the... The media made us

28:01

rivals feuds and this is where I

28:03

don't know if people know this But

28:05

the media is often really bad about

28:07

like positioning people against each other what?

28:09

courting narratives to to create that dissension

28:11

this gonna blow your socks off usually

28:13

it's about women Ladies

28:16

love ladies They should

28:18

this is pretty spears was Christine

28:20

Aguilera and Nicki Minaj was Cardi B

28:22

right kind of that positioning of

28:24

like I don't know what actually happened,

28:26

but we hate each other because

28:28

I guess we're supposed to We have

28:30

the we dug cold together feud. I'd

28:32

mentioned I think Givens

28:34

Boyd Crowder They're from

28:36

just fine. They're bonded because originally they

28:39

dug cold together and despite like they

28:41

have a life or death rivalry and

28:43

One's a marshal ones up just a

28:45

criminal. They're bonded over the shared Trauma

28:47

of digging cold together and this

28:50

is the same for people who are

28:52

on reality TV together, right? They

28:54

have that original bond of we

28:56

were Paid very little maybe just

28:58

a baby appearance fee to be

29:00

humiliated for the rest of our lives and

29:02

whether we're not we're rivals now We

29:04

do have that common like bond in that

29:07

experience So and I

29:09

think it's messy or two because it is so

29:11

personal and like actual real You've got the bachelor. You

29:13

got house wise. You have big brother survivor the

29:15

challenge any show you can imagine It's reality TV. You

29:17

got beast and you got feuds originating from that We're

29:20

upset. We get obsessed with them too.

29:22

We we encourage them to continue. I'm

29:24

watching Traders, yeah, and they do it's

29:26

like a it's like a cross section

29:28

It's a it's a super highway like

29:30

the dinosaurs had of like reality personalities

29:32

and you're just getting all these like

29:34

little Taste tests of like who hates

29:36

each other. Why it's fascinating. I love Gaspi

29:38

is there, right? She is

29:40

and One of my favorite survivors

29:43

Jeremy was like, I'm

29:45

sorry I don't know like what show were you on and

29:47

she was like I was on the I was on the

29:49

bachelor And then I was the bachelorette and he goes how

29:51

did it go and she goes I'm a lesbian now Good

29:55

line. It's a really good Great

30:00

We have the, we're on the

30:02

same corner feud. This is from,

30:04

if you watch the wire, it's

30:06

like the bar sales versus Marlow's

30:08

crew. Everybody wants that real estate,

30:10

someone's going to get it. Think

30:13

Winith Paltrow versus Martha Stewart. Think

30:15

all the Chris's versus each other.

30:17

Yes. The only one, right? So we got,

30:19

we're on different elevators feud. This

30:21

is, think Betty Davis first,

30:24

Joan Crawford. Think, the cast

30:26

of Community versus Chevy Chase. We

30:28

have. This is where I think

30:30

Justin and Blake are. We're on

30:33

different elevators. And one might be

30:35

rising and the other's falling.

30:37

One might be just... permanently

30:39

in the penhouse and one's not.

30:41

But I think when you get

30:44

that different kind of, we're different

30:46

stations, and maybe they're moving, maybe

30:48

they're not, that's when you get

30:50

a lot of dissension. Even within

30:52

celebrity couples, you see a lot

30:54

of breakups because one was famous,

30:56

and now the other partner within

30:58

that partnership's more famous, that's where you

31:00

can get a lot of contention. I think

31:02

that's what kind of brought us to where

31:05

we're at today. is, because you have

31:07

a director who you think that's the power

31:09

player in the room, but in reality,

31:11

calling Hoover is still the power player

31:14

in many ways, and then obviously, Blake

31:16

Lively comes with a lot of gravitas,

31:18

not necessarily because we're acting history, but

31:20

because she is in a power marriage.

31:23

She's in a power best friendship. She

31:25

is stunning. Listen. Blake Lively is very

31:27

pretty. Like if I could be as

31:30

pretty as just one of her moles,

31:32

I'd be like I would quit the straw

31:34

and I would start doing a lot of

31:36

video. You know, she's so stunning. And I

31:38

think she comes in and so that can

31:40

even play in the workplace if the person

31:43

with the power is not you but you

31:45

think it should be you, that can create a

31:47

lot of tension on set. And

31:49

I think to your point, it's

31:51

even more interesting because going into

31:53

it's thought Blake Livelyly is the big

31:55

deal deal here. even though she's not the director and

31:57

she doesn't control her the rights she's the famous person.

32:00

But when you read through the brief, time and

32:02

time again, I think, I don't know

32:04

if it's intentional or not, but he

32:06

exploits the power difference of like, I'm

32:08

the director. Everyone responds to me. It

32:10

would be like, in the Garfield universe,

32:12

you've Garfield and Odie,

32:15

Garfield's clearly the power player,

32:17

right? Of course, yes. What if Odie

32:19

was directing a movie that Garfield was

32:21

in? Odie, Odie calls the shots weirdly,

32:24

even though Garfield is the person, right?

32:26

The Alpha Cat, if you will. Odie

32:28

is the one who decides like how

32:30

the shot goes and maybe Odie's like,

32:33

hey, I know this calls for some

32:35

kissing. I'm gonna do some weird kissing

32:37

that I didn't run by you. And

32:40

I'm gonna bite your lip. I'm gonna

32:42

fake an orgasm. I'm Odie and

32:44

I'm gonna fake an orgasm on

32:46

you right. Imagine Odi being like Garfield,

32:48

do you want to be in this really

32:50

serious drama with me? And Garfield looks like

32:52

he was like, great, love everything here. And

32:54

then after Odi gets the approval, Odi writes

32:56

in a lot of weird sexies, graphic nudity.

32:59

And then Garfield reads that, do you think

33:01

Garfield would be cool with that? Or do

33:03

you think Garfield would have some questions and

33:05

issues with that? I don't know. I don't

33:07

know. I don't know. I don't know

33:09

the relationship. You think Garfield should have

33:11

been just up for it? No, I

33:13

just don't know the nature of their

33:15

relationship. Sure. So they've lived together for

33:17

a long time. I don't know. I don't

33:20

know. Garfield does seem like someone who's like,

33:22

I'll find it. We'll find it. We'll figure

33:24

it out. It's fine. We'll fix it in

33:26

the blender and all we'll think about it.

33:29

Okay. Okay. Okay. So that's kind of some

33:31

big picture. post these new legal matters, like

33:33

what the case for Blake is. Okay, so

33:35

the case for Blake is she has sued

33:38

for sexual harassment and retaliation. Okay, and there

33:40

are really two separate seats. So in theory,

33:42

if this did go to court, she could

33:44

win one and not the other. So she

33:47

might could lose the sexual harassment, but

33:49

win the retaliation or vice versa. But what

33:51

she has done is she, and we will

33:53

include a link to the dot, because we

33:56

are not going to sit here on audio

33:58

and read all of the leads to you. big

34:00

picture concerns that she had that she

34:02

had in such a way that when

34:04

they went back to filming after that

34:06

strike and after they went back to

34:08

filming in January they sat down and

34:10

and Justin acknowledges yes this meeting happened

34:12

and we all agreed to it and

34:14

it's Blake it's Justin it's the producers

34:16

it's a Sony rep and it's Ryan

34:18

Reynolds and and she says in her

34:20

thing I brought Ryan Reynolds because this

34:22

is my husband and I I was

34:24

being sexually rassed and so I wanted

34:26

my husband with me. And she talks

34:29

about her concerns and she said that

34:31

her concerns were raised for herself and

34:33

other female cast and crew, some of

34:35

whom had also already spoken up. But

34:37

we don't get the details of that,

34:39

but she lists all these behaviors and

34:41

says that he kept talking about his

34:43

previous porn addiction. Guys, learn how to

34:45

small talk. What are you doing? God.

34:47

This is where normally I say don't

34:49

talk about your fantasy team, your dreams

34:51

or the bets you have. But if

34:53

you're looking at should I talk about

34:55

my previous porn addiction or any of

34:57

those three things go for the three

34:59

things Anyone wants to hear the bet

35:01

you placed this weekend over what kind

35:03

of porn you just used to I

35:05

know I know right and listen we're

35:07

talking about the suit again You can

35:10

put anything in a lawsuit in a

35:12

civil suit. You can put anything so

35:14

none of these things have to be

35:16

true or false Just know that like

35:18

you can write anything if you want

35:20

to write it, but if that's true

35:22

like he also she says that he

35:24

talked about her lack of porn consumption.

35:26

He discussed descriptions of swimsuit parts. I'm

35:28

going to say that just in case

35:30

you are riding in your car line

35:32

with your kids. You should have already

35:34

left by now, but no matter. After

35:36

the Odi orgasm, you probably should have

35:38

left after that. My bad. That he

35:40

was adding scenes, sex scenes, oral sex

35:42

scenes that she did not know about

35:44

and there was no intimacy coordinator on

35:46

set when he was making these ad

35:48

lib things. Also, there's lots of smaller

35:51

things about like talking about like casual

35:53

small talk about her and Ryan's personal

35:55

intimate life about her dead father and

35:57

that she could talk to her dead

35:59

father. Okay, we have a section later,

36:01

like low-care favorite thing about this. That

36:03

was the runner-up for me. The fact

36:05

that he casually was like, hey, I did,

36:07

just so you know, talk to your dead father because

36:09

I can do that. Right, because he had died just

36:11

a couple years prior to them filming. Yeah,

36:14

that's what happens when you kick porn. You

36:16

get to talk to dead people. So guys.

36:18

get rid of porn. You can do

36:20

it. Also during the birth scene,

36:22

he was like, women don't wear

36:24

clothes during their birth date. Were

36:26

you nude? I was not nude.

36:28

Okay, not nude. Got it. Okay.

36:30

So, uh, she was like, wait,

36:32

no. And then they were like,

36:35

no, let's show you some, let's

36:37

show you some videos. And it

36:39

happened to be of Jamie Heath's

36:41

wife. That's how I've seen her

36:43

birthday. Yeah. Her. Yeah, because how it's

36:46

written is it's just like it's Blake and

36:48

her assistants and like do-to-do just walk in

36:50

and then Jamie he's like bam my wife's

36:52

birth and vagina in your face and they're

36:55

like what's going on and was like hold

36:57

the hold the hold the phone and so she

36:59

did agree she was like I'm not gonna be

37:01

new But I and listen, the comedy of that

37:03

is that you're saying that to a woman who's

37:05

had four babies, four babies. And just like, I

37:07

know how people have babies, like, don't tell me.

37:10

And then she was alarmed and had a

37:12

lot of concerns and was feeling very uncomfortable

37:14

on set. And so when they went to

37:16

that meeting with Sony, they were like, here

37:18

are the following things you can no longer

37:20

do. You cannot talk about porn. You cannot

37:22

talk about my dead father. Not really. But

37:24

she was like, you can't. We have to

37:26

have an intimacy coordinator on intimacy coordinator

37:28

on intimacy coordinator on set. We

37:30

can't improv any of this. You

37:32

can't change the script, so forth

37:35

and so on. And they all

37:37

agree. They sign it, and they're

37:39

like, okay. And then apparently there

37:41

were no issues moving forward. Like

37:43

Gladley says that. Everything was resolved

37:45

moving forward. However, one of the

37:48

stipulations in that meeting was, and

37:50

there shall be no retaliation, not

37:52

even sarcasm about me publicly

37:54

or privately, having if any of

37:57

this comes out. I cannot. And guess what,

37:59

it came out. to come out? We don't

38:01

know. TMC? That I'm just maybe right? But

38:03

like, so somebody leaked that some of this

38:05

were an issue. And so her next part

38:07

of her lawsuit is retaliation. That

38:10

I, that she said that this

38:12

is a quote, Maldonina's team, State

38:14

J. Well finance plan in retaliation

38:16

for Ms. Lively exercising her legally

38:18

protected right to speak up about

38:20

their misconduct on the

38:23

set. and goes through lots

38:25

of receipts, lots of extracted

38:28

text, not screenshots, but extracted

38:30

from like a publicist phone

38:32

and shows all these things

38:35

of like they're planting stories

38:37

about her. They are creating,

38:39

like they're pitching stories to

38:42

influencers to like say negative

38:44

things about her. That video,

38:46

that Australian interview, they're planting

38:49

that to be brought back

38:51

up. One of the videos that went

38:53

viral again from her past was,

38:55

and it's brutal, listen, it's brutal.

38:57

And you don't have to be

39:00

a good person to not be

39:02

sexually harassed. Like you can just

39:04

not be sexually harassed. But she

39:06

has a video, there's a panel,

39:08

there's a gossip girl panel, and

39:10

God, I forgot about this. And

39:12

she's making jokes, and she's one

39:14

of those people, you know those

39:16

people that are really hot, they

39:19

think they're funny. being born in

39:21

a cage because late mister's mother was

39:23

in prison when she was born. Right.

39:25

And she was like, guys, I'm joking,

39:27

we'll include a link to it, guys,

39:29

I'm joking, and late mister is not

39:32

amused and has never returned to following

39:34

Blakely on any social media. So like,

39:36

you get that, like, bad press. So

39:39

her argument is that nobody was

39:41

watching that video anymore, y'all brought

39:43

that back up. Like y'all planted

39:45

that video to that video to

39:47

that video to come back. because I

39:49

had apologized for that. And that's

39:52

where it gets a little

39:54

wobbly because I'm like, I

39:56

don't know, because like we

39:58

mentioned, that synchronicity of stuff

40:00

coming up. It's almost

40:02

like there's a tipping point where if

40:04

you don't want to like someone,

40:06

you can find what you need to

40:08

not like them. Some people make

40:10

it really hard, some people make it

40:12

really easy. She seems like someone

40:14

who has in her past ways to

40:16

make it easy to not like

40:18

her. To your point, Jamie, and you

40:20

and I had talked about this

40:23

a little bit last week when we

40:25

were talking about this episode, I

40:27

had read where someone talked through the

40:29

fact that Blake Lively might be

40:31

an imperfect victim doesn't mean she's still

40:33

not a victim. Like you said,

40:35

bad people, crappy people can still get

40:37

sexually harassed. It's not only for

40:39

the virtuous good people. You have to

40:41

disentangle that, but it makes it

40:43

so easy. I think where Blake Lively

40:45

and Ryan Reynolds do seem to

40:47

be everywhere, they do seem to be

40:49

selling something everywhere. It makes it

40:51

easy to not want to like them

40:53

in root for this underdog story

40:55

until you look into, like the fact

40:57

that you mentioned was that

41:00

he secretly called her personal trainer and was like,

41:02

she needs to lose weight in the next two

41:04

weeks because I have to carry her. Like

41:06

I have to pick her up in a scene

41:08

in the movie. That's what she says in her

41:11

suit. Yeah. Yes. Allegedly,

41:13

that scene does not exist. There's

41:15

not a scene where they're like,

41:17

just if it only carries Blake

41:19

Lively somewhere, like a psycho potato,

41:21

he just wanted that. It's stuff

41:23

like this where when you read

41:26

into it, again, all allegedly all

41:28

from her suit, there's a lot

41:30

of detail where you think this

41:32

would be really weird. If this

41:34

is all just made up, I

41:36

don't know. The thing that made

41:39

me kind of side more with

41:41

her, some people who filed their

41:43

own suits. It's not just a

41:45

Blake Lively said and no one

41:47

else is saying this. And to

41:50

kind of what you were saying

41:52

earlier, Jamie, everyone else unfollowing, everyone

41:54

else disentangling themselves from involved with

41:56

him. Maybe it's circumstantial and maybe

41:58

it's smoke, but you know, smoke

42:00

leads to fire. The other seat

42:03

that Knox is talking about is

42:05

the Jones Works suit. So Stephanie

42:07

Jones, who's the head of Jones

42:09

Works. which is a PR firm, that is where the publicist

42:11

for, so like publicity firms, by the way, there's four times as

42:14

many publicists in America as are our journalist. So if you're wondering

42:16

where the narrative comes from, it is from publicist. And we always

42:18

talk about that, like the power that Tree Pain, probably the most

42:20

famous publicist of the whole time. But Jonesworks

42:22

did a suit against Justin

42:25

Baldoni. for also this campaign, this

42:27

bad mouthing campaign, about her own firm

42:29

as well, because Jennifer Abel was a

42:31

publicist at her firm and then left

42:34

and allegedly stole clients and Justin was

42:36

one of them and Wayfarer was one

42:38

of them. And so when the movie

42:40

premieres, Jennifer Abel has been

42:43

fired by Jonesworks. Now the interesting

42:45

thing about that, just as a

42:47

sidebar because we won't get into

42:49

that suit, but Stephanie Jonesworks,

42:51

her husband is a 25-year senior partner

42:53

at William Morris. the agency that dropped

42:55

Justin when Blake's lawsuit came out. So

42:57

there's, it's such a weird, interesting weaving

42:59

because like I always come back to

43:01

yes, why did these people and follow

43:04

him? Why did Colleen's side with the

43:06

person who does not have the rights

43:08

to her film? Like why did everybody

43:10

come in her side? And then I

43:12

also go, well who's going to side

43:14

with unknown Justin Maldoni? You can

43:16

talk yourself either way into it. I could.

43:18

And I'm not saying that's like right or

43:20

wrong. But there's enough in her seat that

43:23

gives. all of this pause like yeah I

43:25

want I want listen at the end of

43:27

this I want people under oath I want

43:29

and I don't want just Justin Baldoni

43:31

of like I want crew and I

43:33

want that cast I want Ginny slate on

43:35

the stand doing being Jenny slate and

43:37

me getting to see the fit and I

43:40

want to hear her say what happened under

43:42

oath which I don't think I think you're

43:44

right I don't think we're going to go

43:46

to jury trial maybe hers but

43:48

I'll be curious so yeah Beyond

43:50

the case, beyond like the

43:53

legal filings, what is the

43:55

motivation here? It seems kind

43:57

of similar to his for launch.

43:59

It's not like a tiff or

44:01

tat. The reason that he launched his,

44:04

I don't know, whatever you want to

44:06

call it, the PR war games against

44:08

her, was that he felt like he

44:11

had been, his reputation had been sullied,

44:13

right? And whether that was her, whether

44:15

it was someone else, from what I

44:18

read, it seems like there's enough weird

44:20

messiness with enough people that it could

44:22

be anyone, right? It definitely just doesn't

44:25

have to be coming from Blake. But

44:27

I think similarly. Hers seems to be

44:29

about reputation protection because there was a

44:31

calculated effort and I do feel like

44:34

her reputation has been diminished. I have

44:36

no idea financially how her lifestyle brands

44:38

have been affected but I have to

44:41

assume it's it's been somewhat and I

44:43

think maybe like a lowercase baby motive

44:45

for for doing this is obviously there's

44:48

like let's hold people accountable but I

44:50

think there's also like we got to

44:52

weed out the unprofessional weirdo. allegedly pervert

44:55

guys who are still getting through here

44:57

and still doing this stuff. And in

44:59

that respect, I think it is, if

45:02

everything is alleged, I think it's a

45:04

noble thing. You know, an example of

45:06

one way that she's affected professionally, very

45:09

significantly and very specifically, is she was

45:11

supposed to host the opener of S&L

45:13

this season, and she was replaced by

45:15

Gene Smart, which was all to our

45:18

detriment, because that was a bad episode.

45:20

It was a very tough, sorry to

45:22

you, Gene Smart, love you, that was

45:25

a bad episode and so for and

45:27

she points out on the lawsuit like

45:29

this is how this is how it's

45:32

affected my brand we've had a 78%

45:34

reduction in sales since the launch like

45:36

and and you could manipulate those numbers

45:39

of course you could be like well

45:41

every launch goes down the next month

45:43

after a launch or whatever but I

45:46

do think listen I do think her

45:48

reputation has been sullied whether that is

45:50

she can prove that that was him

45:52

that did it And his firm will

45:55

be curious because it's because obviously you

45:57

have to prove and she has to

45:59

prove that the retaliation according at listen

46:02

I did consult. a friend who's a

46:04

lawyer because I was like, can you

46:06

send me quickly? What is the burden

46:09

of proof for retaliation? And they said

46:11

they have to have engaged in a

46:13

protected disclosure. So she signed an NDA.

46:16

So she's not supposed to share anything

46:18

that happens on this set,

46:20

right? So she did with someone.

46:22

It leaked. The employer knew that

46:24

she leaked it. And then you

46:26

have to prove that that that

46:28

reveal of what happened on set

46:30

was a contributing factor in

46:33

the person doing the unfavorable thing

46:35

to you, the retaliation. So the

46:37

burden of proof is high, but it

46:39

looks like if all things are true in

46:42

her suit, she's going to be able to

46:44

prove it. Like that all those things

46:46

happen. Yeah. So in terms of What's the

46:48

case for Justin if you had to make one?

46:50

So he filed a suit not against

46:52

Blake, although his attorney has said they will

46:55

be filing a suit against Blake. But

46:57

I think he did the wisest thing,

46:59

because when somebody launches a sexual harassment,

47:01

you can't just immediately sue them. So

47:03

whoever helped him know not to do

47:05

that? Kudos to them because that was smart.

47:07

And then he sued the New York

47:09

Times for libel. Now as a reminder,

47:11

libel is defamation, libel is just written,

47:13

slander is oral. What we do here

47:15

is slander. But no one can prove

47:17

it because we don't have enough power to

47:19

affect your likelihood because that is one

47:21

of the burdens of proof when you

47:23

see someone for defamation. You have to

47:25

prove that it changed your livelihood because of

47:28

the things you said. And so he... assuming

47:30

the New York Times reliable. I wish him

47:32

the best. No one wins cases against the

47:34

New York Times. It does seem to be

47:36

a symbolic suit. Like I'm protesting just so

47:39

see me protesting. There's no I'm going to

47:41

win this. Yeah, I just want to get

47:43

these screenshots out and this is a

47:45

way that I can do it that

47:47

feels more official because right. I think

47:49

initially when you saw like suit come

47:51

out, everybody was like, holy million, I

47:53

cannot believe this happened to her. This

47:55

is horrible. But then when his suit came

47:58

out, people were like, oh, okay, well, some.

48:00

Maybe not some of that's not true,

48:02

but he didn't address everything. So he

48:04

in this lawsuit, he presents all this

48:06

private communication That he kind of they

48:08

got to go tip for tat every

48:10

like they go through her lawsuit and

48:13

go she showed this This is what's

48:15

missing. Here's the text before it. Here's

48:17

the text after it. They go through

48:19

but I'll share my favorite text anomaly.

48:21

That's in my favorite little detail that

48:24

comes out of this case, but he

48:26

he says hey, you didn't you didn't

48:28

tell the full story That's what he

48:30

saying about the New York Times. You

48:32

didn't, you gave us 14 hours notice,

48:34

which is very common. That is not

48:37

uncommon. If you're the subject of an

48:39

investigation, you're not, they're not going to

48:41

be like, we're going to give you

48:43

eight weeks to figure it. They're not

48:45

going to do that. They're not going

48:48

to do that. They're going to give

48:50

you less than 24 hours. However, they

48:52

did say he had until noon. They

48:54

published it. Very good attorneys and the

48:56

first amendment. And the bar is very

48:58

high for liable when you're a public

49:01

figure. It's very high. Because you have

49:03

to show malice. The New York Times

49:05

maliciously said untrue things about, not just

49:07

said untrue things. Because saying untrue things,

49:09

they can just be like, well, we

49:12

didn't know. We just went off her.

49:14

We were talking, we were reporting her.

49:16

But they have to prove in court

49:18

that the New York Times maliciously did

49:20

it. Like on purpose. It's not their

49:22

first rodeo at making sure they're not.

49:25

Livalis. That's exactly right. Okay, and so

49:27

he says that he kind of counters

49:29

all the terms. He says the New

49:31

York Times says in your report on

49:33

the fact that Leslie Sloan, Lively's publicist,

49:36

was also planting stories about Baldoni being

49:38

a sexual predator and he provides some

49:40

receipts for that. It accuses feeding false

49:42

stories to the daily mail because they

49:44

have their own receipts of text from

49:46

daily mail reporters. Now the daily mail.

49:49

is suspicious at best. Like the paragon

49:51

of ethics and... I know you're not

49:53

going to make a big case if

49:55

you're telling me that the New York

49:57

Post is... Yeah. Are you saying journalistic

50:00

integrity? No, okay. And then he said

50:02

that obviously that he was saying he

50:04

objectified me. His counter is, okay,

50:06

look about the fashion. I mean,

50:08

that was because I have a

50:10

back injury that I've had for

50:12

a decade and I went to

50:14

the personal trainer and asked her

50:16

and asked her to lose weight.

50:18

I asked her how much does

50:20

she weigh? And the personal trainer

50:22

will testify to that. And which

50:25

I would like to hear from

50:27

the personal trainer. Like what really

50:29

happened. I also want to see

50:31

the shooting script where it's requiring

50:33

him to deadlift her. Well, his argument

50:35

is that scene's not in the film

50:37

because she cut it because she was

50:39

the final editor on the film. He

50:41

was not the final editor on the

50:44

film. And that's where the back half

50:46

of his lawsuit, it's not a separate

50:48

thing. It's not a separate thing. It's

50:50

still talking about libel, but he's just

50:52

trying, like you said, to get out

50:54

those receipts. The guy that won for

50:57

the brutalist, he said. Like he said, he

50:59

said, this is the importance of directors

51:01

cuts. And it was so interesting as a

51:03

like, oh, I didn't know. I mean, I

51:06

knew, I knew studios had input, but I

51:08

really thought at the end of the day,

51:10

this is the director's vision. No, it is

51:12

not. Direct directors. Yeah, sometimes. If you're a

51:15

power player, Martin Scors, that's his film.

51:17

Yeah, he added that. But apparently. DGA

51:19

only commits that you get 10 days

51:21

with no interruption to edit a film

51:23

and then the studio takes over like

51:25

the studio takes over so he includes

51:27

a lot of receipts of like I

51:29

wasn't even given the 10 days like

51:31

lively started editing the film we do

51:33

know that she edited the film and

51:35

that she ended up the film that

51:37

came out is her cut like that

51:39

has come out that that Sony affirmed

51:41

that and said yes that's her cut

51:43

of the film which is weird but

51:45

not illegal or worth damages probably not

51:48

Neither of them in either of their

51:50

suits, since we're talking about the DGA,

51:52

neither of them talk about bringing in

51:54

the union at all. And I thought that

51:56

was interesting on both cases. Why does he

51:58

not have the DGA on sale? and going,

52:00

hey, we're having problems. Why does she

52:02

not have the screen actor skill? That's

52:04

because I think they both nasty. I

52:06

think they're both doing stuff and it's

52:09

like, I don't want my people here.

52:11

I want to do my own thing. Well,

52:13

and that is a theory because there's a,

52:15

there's a, he makes a point in his

52:17

lawsuit that he was like, Ryan Reynolds

52:19

was writing scenes for this film during

52:21

the writer strike. And we have evidence

52:24

of that of when he was sending

52:26

us new notes that was all happening. It's

52:28

not illegal, you're a scab, you're just a

52:30

scab if you do that. And so it's

52:32

not like, again, it's not like, it's not

52:34

like, it's not like, it's not illegal. And

52:36

so he says when they were part of the

52:38

film that he never, he has, he

52:40

has screenshots as opposed to you. extracted

52:42

text, which no matter. And he says,

52:45

listen, they're leaving out context. They're leaving

52:47

out context for, I actually said, I

52:49

do not want to bury her. I

52:51

do not, we have to take the

52:53

high road. He has text to you

52:55

as public as saying, now, if I

52:57

say that to my publicism, I saying,

52:59

we have to take the high road,

53:01

wink, wink, I want on record. But

53:04

again, I don't think the most, stupidly,

53:06

most people are not texting in a

53:08

way. that they think their text are

53:10

going to be, which is stupid for

53:12

publicists. That's the stupidest thing I've

53:14

ever seen. It is. You need to be clear

53:16

in your communication. Listen, Aaron

53:19

knows the minute I die. She has to go get

53:21

that phone. Delete everything. She has, she's

53:23

my death contact for everything. We got

53:25

to get those boxers gone. We got

53:27

to go on, right? She's going to

53:29

listen to them, obviously. I'm bad. Who's off

53:31

to the eyes bitter, you know. No, not

53:33

because I'll super. I'll super. And

53:36

he said she took over a

53:38

wardrobe, which explains why. Y'all could

53:40

do some googlin' and some images.

53:42

There are some weird wardrobe choices.

53:44

And she said he makes the

53:46

case. He was like, she increased

53:48

the wardrobe budget substantially without recourse.

53:50

When I finished reading his suit, all

53:52

I keep thinking is, you need to

53:54

grow a pair. Why were you saying yes to

53:57

all this? Because there is a lot of

53:59

evidence that he. was letting her, he

54:01

was never pushing back on this

54:03

and I thought that's so weird.

54:05

That seems like the genesis of

54:07

this issue where he, this was

54:09

his thing, and I think he

54:11

felt like that he was cow-towing

54:13

a little bit and like to

54:15

keep the peace, and then it

54:17

turns around and it blows up

54:19

in his face. So now it's

54:21

like let's go nuclear because I

54:23

was trying to be whatever, allegedly

54:25

I was being a good guy,

54:27

I was doing good thing, and

54:29

now this is what happens, and

54:31

that's where it's where it's like.

54:33

Regardless of what happens and who's

54:35

proven to be in the right,

54:37

who's proven to be in the

54:39

wrong, it feels like it's a

54:41

little messy for both. Some are

54:43

more objectionable than others, obviously, but

54:45

it almost berries two more significant

54:47

things to me, which is number

54:49

one, the success of this calling

54:51

Hoover story, and the viability of

54:53

stories, but also stories like them,

54:55

like it was a box office

54:57

success. The fact that this is

54:59

clouding everything out, it's kind of...

55:01

not absurd but it's just like

55:03

guys we're like we're missing the

55:05

bigger point here but also and

55:07

this is maybe for me like

55:09

you know the scales off my

55:11

eyes of like I already knew

55:13

like you know the mainstream media

55:15

can't be trusted whatever like I

55:17

didn't realize how manipulate manipulative celebrity

55:19

PR was like you can see

55:21

to your point about journalists to

55:23

PR ratio the way that publicists

55:26

are shaping reputations and impressions of

55:28

people is a little overwhelming to

55:30

me. Oh, it is stunning. I

55:32

mean, like when we talk about,

55:34

and this isn't about Taylor Sutt,

55:36

I'm talking about tree pain. Tree

55:38

pain knows how to drop a

55:40

story, not for the purpose necessarily

55:42

of being like, I want to

55:44

keep Taylor in the news. Nobody

55:46

needs to keep Taylor in the

55:48

news, right? Taylor is an icon.

55:50

She is an enigma, like we

55:52

are all aware. It's not about

55:54

public awareness. Let's talk about that

55:56

they're spending the hall. They're spending

55:58

Valentine's in Switzerland. That's going to

56:00

be a. You see, if anything

56:02

Matti Healy does that's negative about

56:04

Taylor, you're going to see a

56:06

story drop that same week that

56:08

feels like it's an insight to

56:10

her personal life. Or she's going

56:12

to drop, listen, she's going to

56:14

drop rep TV. If she's anybody

56:16

saying something negative about her, she's

56:18

like, I'm just waiting for somebody

56:20

to say nothing, something bad about

56:22

me, I'm a drop rep TV.

56:24

You're not going to talk about

56:26

me? And that's controlling a narrative.

56:28

when I look this morning there were

56:30

29 articles today about Justin Baldoni

56:32

and Blake lively today and not

56:35

and not like articles on blogs

56:37

I'm talking about news outlets reporting

56:39

on this story it's a lot of

56:42

click bait it's a lot of power so

56:44

public is a whole lot of power because

56:46

the all these people are getting listen

56:48

the New York Times putting that

56:50

story behind a payroll made them a

56:52

lot of money sure sure and which

56:54

it's that's how their business works

56:56

so low- funniest your favorite detail

56:58

of this dispute that you found.

57:00

Listen, my favorite is, okay, so

57:03

Blake Lively puts a text between

57:05

Melissa Nathan, the Crisis PR, and

57:07

Jen Abel, the regular PR. And

57:09

it is a text about a

57:11

story that has gone in the

57:13

Daily Mail about could, could Blake

57:16

Lively be canceled? No one's been

57:18

canceled in the history of ever,

57:20

okay? There's asking, could. Right,

57:22

right. And so, uh, Melissa,

57:24

Jen Abel, text her and

57:26

says, wow, you really outdid

57:28

yourself with this piece. Yeah.

57:30

Okay. And then, uh, Melissa

57:33

Nathan responds, that's why

57:35

you hired me, right? I'm the

57:37

best. That is bad. Like, that's

57:40

bad. This feels like, too

57:42

Disney Channel. bullies like

57:44

laughing about like who

57:46

they humiliated exactly and so

57:48

what happens is Justin Maldoni puts

57:51

that in his case and he

57:53

says this is only you've

57:55

left out four text some

57:57

in between some before and

57:59

after Again, you've changed the text because

58:01

when they extract it, and my guess

58:04

is this just happened when they extracted

58:06

the text, because they didn't use, they're

58:08

not screenshotting this phone. They're extracting all

58:10

this communication. It didn't, it didn't take

58:12

all the emogies with it. And so

58:15

on one of the comments, she says,

58:17

you really outdone yourself with this piece,

58:19

upside down, which is sarcasm. We all

58:21

know that sarcasm, that's what that emoji

58:23

means. And so the argument he's kind

58:26

of countermaking is like, no, they were

58:28

joking. And she says, she literally says,

58:30

joke, after that, but you left that

58:32

text out. And I get it, like

58:34

you manipulate the data for your benefit.

58:36

But I like that this could hang

58:39

on a dumb emotion. On a judge's

58:41

interpretation of cultural interpretation of an upside

58:43

down emoji? Yeah, that's insane. That's insane.

58:45

It's insane. But listen to be fair.

58:47

I heard a some human court justice

58:50

go, I don't understand if I have

58:52

one t-shirt and it gets ruined, why

58:54

can't I have another t-shirt and try

58:56

and explain why tic-toc can't be banned,

58:58

because it's like I have a t-shirt

59:01

and then I get another t-shirt, and

59:03

then I get another t-shirt. That justice

59:05

also called it Mata, instead of Metta.

59:07

That's fine. It's fine. So my favorite,

59:09

funny, weird detail of this dispute is...

59:12

that just in Baldoni was the inspiration

59:14

for a nice pool that in Deadpool

59:16

the and when you so when you

59:18

think about it in those terms and

59:20

you watch Deadpool and you see what

59:23

happens to nice pool right it's pretty

59:25

hilarious to be honest and I've seen

59:27

a lot of people are like been

59:29

really offended by it but I do

59:31

think that's probably the healthiest way to

59:34

deal with I mean like do lawsuits

59:36

if there's sexual harassment misconduct obviously you

59:38

got to that stuff yeah but like

59:40

as a husband Instead of going weapons

59:42

or fist, just write him in to

59:44

your movie and then like, you know,

59:47

have him like lampooned and like violently

59:49

killed. Yeah, that's all smoke because literally

59:51

like all Ryan Reynolds has to say

59:53

is, I love my wife and she

59:55

was being sexually harassed at work. Yeah.

59:58

And I didn't have an outlet. except

1:00:00

this one. And it was a very powerful outlet.

1:00:02

And it made me laugh. And it's a parody. He's

1:00:04

not going to get, you can't get sued for a

1:00:06

parody. I mean, for the most part, it's, ask weirdal.

1:00:08

You'd be like, oh no, you can't get sued. As

1:00:10

weird, Al. You'd be like, oh no, you can't get

1:00:12

sued. As weird, Al. You'd be like, oh no, you

1:00:14

can't get sued. As weirdal, you'd be like, oh no,

1:00:17

you can't, you can't get sued. Oh no. You can't

1:00:19

get sued, you can't get sued, you can't get sued,

1:00:21

you can't get sued, you know, you can't get sued,

1:00:23

you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't get sued,

1:00:25

you can't, you can't, you can't get sued, you can't

1:00:27

get sued, you, you can't get sued, you can't, you

1:00:29

can't, you can't get sued feud of people, things, groups,

1:00:32

whatever we think will feud in 2025. Okay, so I

1:00:34

think one of the feuds we're going to

1:00:36

see very soon is going to be even

1:00:38

more secured a Billy Eilish versus Taylor Swift.

1:00:40

And there reads for that. We've seen some

1:00:43

inklings of that because Billy Eilish has made

1:00:45

some comments about like, nobody wants to go

1:00:47

to a three hour concert. Aaron and

1:00:49

I really enjoyed our three hour concert. We

1:00:52

did Billy. We did Billy. But to be

1:00:54

fair, Aaron and I went to see

1:00:56

pink and I went to see pink. Yeah.

1:00:58

Like that was also good. Like, but

1:01:00

Billy Elish, I think, and the gambling

1:01:02

odds, I don't know if they're in

1:01:04

her favor, but she is nominated for

1:01:06

Album of the Year, and I think

1:01:08

Billy Eilish is going to win it,

1:01:10

much to my dismay. I don't think

1:01:13

it's the best album, but the Grammys

1:01:15

freaking love those Irish siblings. They love

1:01:17

them. And so I think she's going

1:01:19

to win, and it's going to really

1:01:21

pee off. She's like, like, I wrote 31 songs, I

1:01:23

was at the top of the top of the... Yeah,

1:01:25

this is more Taylor. I agree with

1:01:27

that. But I think she's going to

1:01:29

be really ticked. And I think they're

1:01:31

going to start the Katie Perry level

1:01:33

feud. And so the next song you're

1:01:35

going to see, you're going to have

1:01:37

a song about Billy, Irish. On the

1:01:39

next Taylor album, even if it's a

1:01:41

vault track on Rep TV, it'll be

1:01:44

like, oh, it's a vault track. I

1:01:46

wrote it 10 years ago. Yeah, no.

1:01:48

Well, that's weird. You're talking about siblings.

1:01:50

You're talking about siblings. from the wicked few,

1:01:52

or wicked movie will be in a feud.

1:01:54

I don't think there's going to be like

1:01:56

wicked or wicked violence, but I think there's

1:01:59

going to be some... there will be beefing

1:02:01

with somebody. I don't know who, I

1:02:03

don't know how, but that's a vision

1:02:05

I've got. I think co-stars from the

1:02:08

Paddington and Peru movie. I've

1:02:10

read reports, it's already hot.

1:02:12

It's like not good. Well, I

1:02:14

mean, you're acting with a green screen

1:02:16

bear. It's going to bring up

1:02:18

tension. A lot of Diva actions.

1:02:20

I've got four names. I don't know

1:02:23

if they're in combination. I

1:02:25

don't know if this is like a

1:02:27

royal crumble. Benny Blanco, Dakota Jackson, Johnson,

1:02:30

Rachel Ziegler. I don't know if it's

1:02:32

Russell Crowe and Benny Blanco. I don't

1:02:34

know if it's Dakota Johnson, Rachel Ziegler.

1:02:36

I don't know if we're cross-pollinating, but

1:02:38

I just have those names. I'm really curious

1:02:40

of how the Venn diagram of Benny Blanco

1:02:42

and Russell Croke could even cross paths. I

1:02:45

don't know. It's just when my gut served up. So

1:02:47

that's all I got. Listen, I do think Dakota Johnson

1:02:49

is probably in the most feuds of anyone in Hollywood,

1:02:51

quietly. Like, yeah. She just is like, if I don't

1:02:53

like you, I don't like you, and we're in it,

1:02:55

we're in a feud. I think she's in a feud,

1:02:57

literally with Gweneth Paltrow. I can see her, I can

1:02:59

see her, literally with Gweneth Paltrow. I can see her, I can see

1:03:01

her, we're in a feud. I think she's in a feud, literally,

1:03:03

literally, literally, literally, literally, literally, literally, literally,

1:03:05

with Gweneth, and, with Gweneth, and, and,

1:03:07

and, and, literally, literally, and, literally, and,

1:03:09

literally, literally, and, literally, literally, like, literally,

1:03:11

like, like, and, literally, like, literally, like,

1:03:13

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:03:15

like, like, like, but I don't know

1:03:17

what the vibe is there. Well,

1:03:19

they kind of are they, you

1:03:22

know, they're kind of already in

1:03:24

a feud. Oh, are they?

1:03:26

Well, because, because, because

1:03:28

of, unfortunately, because of

1:03:30

what's happening in the

1:03:32

Middle East. Oh, and

1:03:34

so they kind of,

1:03:36

okay, retract. Retract. Retract.

1:03:39

Retract that one. That

1:03:41

feels cheating. That's my bad.

1:03:43

Right. I forgot about that. Okay. I think

1:03:45

the Garfield-Ode thing really brought a home for

1:03:47

people. I think they're like, I'm fuzzy, but

1:03:49

now I got it. If you want to clip

1:03:51

that and play it for your children so you

1:03:53

can explain big adults. Any artists out there who

1:03:56

want to, what was it Jamie, have Odie orgasming

1:03:58

on Garfield? Is that what you said? Yeah, uh-huh.

1:04:00

I know that violates the copyright,

1:04:02

but we would still post it. Yeah.

1:04:04

Yeah. I mean, we'll post it in our

1:04:06

office. We're not going to post on

1:04:08

social media and get sued or whatever.

1:04:11

Yeah, we're not going to get sued.

1:04:13

Again, we're not going to get

1:04:15

sued because, again, we don't affect

1:04:18

anybody's livelihood. Or we would have

1:04:20

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1:04:22

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1:04:24

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1:05:24

right, what is your red light

1:05:26

this week? Okay, my red light

1:05:28

this week is just mother nature. Listen,

1:05:30

I know it ends with us and

1:05:32

it starts with us. I get it.

1:05:34

I do get it. But can you

1:05:36

give us a freaking break? Like a

1:05:38

freaking break. First of all, we get

1:05:40

snow in Alabama, which is fine. But

1:05:43

let's not do that again. Like we

1:05:45

only want it once and it needs

1:05:47

to be cute and that's it. But

1:05:49

a cold front, a brutal cold front

1:05:51

is coming this weekend. Like we don't

1:05:53

want that. We want it mild. We

1:05:55

like it mild. Also the LA fires.

1:05:57

Holy mully. You've heard 40,000 acres and

1:05:59

12,000 structures. That's those are people's home.

1:06:01

Don't do that. We don't like that.

1:06:03

Don't do that. Now, to be

1:06:05

fair, have I created a new

1:06:07

hyper fixation on romance novels featuring

1:06:09

firefighters? Maybe I have. Okay. You ever

1:06:11

watch Fire Country? It feels like right up

1:06:14

your alley. Gosh shit. It's a mall teller

1:06:16

in a fire movie. Isn't he like a

1:06:18

wildfire in a wildfire movie? I'll find out.

1:06:20

If he's not, he should be. It's a

1:06:22

great call. I think he is, because

1:06:25

I think there was like, it was

1:06:27

like, it was like between the spectacular

1:06:29

now and before he did like,

1:06:31

before whiplash, before whiplash, he was

1:06:33

like in a, but I'm very

1:06:35

into, when they show me those planes

1:06:38

getting low, and dropping their load, you

1:06:40

know, it's great. I like it's a,

1:06:42

Freud would have a field day with

1:06:44

that. Aaron, you find his movie. Yes,

1:06:46

he's in a movie, he's called Only

1:06:48

The Only the Brave. Oh, see,

1:06:50

they're even cold hot shots.

1:06:52

That's very cool. Okay, so, but let's

1:06:54

give us all a break. How about that?

1:06:57

I know, again, it's us, and when

1:06:59

I say us, it's not us. It's

1:07:01

not us. It's corporations. But I'm

1:07:03

just saying, I know that

1:07:05

we're contributing, but I recycle.

1:07:08

Can I drive an electric

1:07:10

car now? Stop yelling at me?

1:07:12

Stop yelling at me. Marlite is,

1:07:14

so state is playing Notre Dame,

1:07:16

Notre Dame, in the. Because as

1:07:18

you know our good friend Jason Waterfalls

1:07:21

huge Notre Dame fan, right? Right, we're

1:07:23

rooting for them Obviously, we should be

1:07:25

rooting for them. I have about a

1:07:27

thousand dollars on the line if Ohio

1:07:29

State wins Okay, you could win a

1:07:31

thousand dollars or you could use a

1:07:33

thousand I've got no I've got I

1:07:35

could win a thousand I could win

1:07:37

a thousand I've got four different bets

1:07:39

like three on Ohio State winning one

1:07:42

on a big-ten team winning So if

1:07:44

Ohio State wins as her favorite to

1:07:46

do out a nice little wrong, though

1:07:48

because I am rooting Notre Dame. It's

1:07:51

been a tough recent history. You know,

1:07:53

for people like Jason, Notre Dame fans,

1:07:55

Marcus Freeman, awesome coach. I just don't

1:07:58

know what to do. Do I ride it out? Do

1:08:00

I cash out? I can cash out early and

1:08:02

kind of get half my value now and

1:08:04

also like maintain my friendship? Would Jason

1:08:06

be like, you know, I've got my money,

1:08:08

this is good, I'm gonna root with you,

1:08:11

whatever happens, or do I just say like,

1:08:13

you know, it sucks, sucks to suck, hope your

1:08:15

team gets blown out, so I win my

1:08:17

money. No, sucks to suck. You're

1:08:19

gambling, sucks to suck. You can, you

1:08:21

can support him emotionally before and after,

1:08:24

but you got it. Your friendship is

1:08:26

strong enough. I got a little ride and

1:08:28

then I'll send him like a cookie bouquet

1:08:30

after like if they lose or whatever. Listen,

1:08:32

you know, somebody that listens to you

1:08:34

over under and the podcast sent us

1:08:36

a tweet and said this is Jamie

1:08:38

and Jason Waterfalls. I'll read the tweet.

1:08:40

Every adult woman I know is reading

1:08:42

like they're trying to qualify for a

1:08:44

pizza party. Yep. And every god knows

1:08:47

draft king's $5,000. Yeah. Is that accurate?

1:08:49

A friend of mine blacklisted himself. He

1:08:51

was like he was betting on Saudi

1:08:53

Arabian Arabian Arabian and Saudi Arabian soccer.

1:08:55

And it went belly up. So he

1:08:57

was like, there's a way you can get yourself

1:09:00

blacklisted so you cannot place bets even if

1:09:02

you want to. And I was really proud

1:09:04

of him. I was like, good job Scott. Good

1:09:06

job, Scott. Good job. What is your

1:09:08

green light this week? Okay, I have

1:09:11

two green lights. One is a stand-up

1:09:13

special that just came out. It's

1:09:15

on HBO Max. It's on and

1:09:17

on and on with Rose Matafoeo.

1:09:19

Rose Matafoeo is a New Zealand

1:09:21

comic. She's also the star of

1:09:23

the Green Light Starstruck, a TV

1:09:25

show I really love, also on

1:09:27

Max. This is, if you are

1:09:29

in your 30s, if you are

1:09:31

single and dating, you will love

1:09:33

this. My favorite thing about this

1:09:35

special is she is dressed in

1:09:38

like cargo cackies, like light

1:09:40

colored cargo cackies, a blue tank

1:09:42

and a yellow button down that's

1:09:44

open. And she's like, one of

1:09:46

her jokes is, I know that

1:09:49

I'm dressed like every kid missing

1:09:51

from home in the 80s, while

1:09:53

also dressed exactly like their mom.

1:09:55

and who's looking for that missing kid.

1:09:57

And it's just a fun special.

1:09:59

like flea bag, if you like

1:10:02

comedians micro biglia, or hoss and

1:10:04

men hodge, you're going to love

1:10:06

the special. I laughed so much.

1:10:08

She makes a joke about Wailouiji

1:10:10

from Mario Carte being obviously very

1:10:12

attractive and I like that she

1:10:14

left that joke in despite Luigi

1:10:16

Mangioni, I like it. That's very

1:10:18

good. That's Wailouiji. Yeah, Wailouiji is

1:10:20

different. And then I my other

1:10:22

green light is a romance book

1:10:24

I read this week that I

1:10:26

freaking Squealing, giggling, okay? It's called

1:10:29

Un Romance by Aaron Connor. It

1:10:31

just came out this week. Our

1:10:33

female main character is Sawyer. She

1:10:35

is a best-selling author of romance

1:10:37

books and she has always loved

1:10:39

romance until her college girlfriend left

1:10:41

her with nothing but writer's block

1:10:43

and bitterness. And so she gets

1:10:45

stuck in an elevator. with a

1:10:47

handsome stranger. And she's like, is

1:10:49

this a meekute? And she even

1:10:51

says, like, you know, this is

1:10:54

a meekute. He's like, not focused

1:10:56

on her at all. And she's

1:10:58

like, well, that's what this would

1:11:00

be. But we can't. No, I

1:11:02

don't want to meet cute. And

1:11:04

so they leave the elevator. And

1:11:06

then they run back into each

1:11:08

other, just as you expected. Here's

1:11:10

what I love about this book.

1:11:12

Every chapter starts with a trope

1:11:14

that you find in a romance

1:11:16

novel that you find in a

1:11:18

romance novel. It upens their entire

1:11:21

lives. And that's how this book

1:11:23

unfolds, because he is the star

1:11:25

of a TV show that films

1:11:27

in Chicago. And so again, Secretly

1:11:29

Famous, another trope that we love

1:11:31

in romance. But listen, there's tons

1:11:33

of pop culture references, but not

1:11:35

too many that it's cliche, witty

1:11:37

banner. I love a yearning MMC.

1:11:39

It is spicy. Okay, so just

1:11:41

a heads up. I would say

1:11:43

this is, Aaron always says I

1:11:46

under spice. She does underspise. I

1:11:48

think this is, if it's more

1:11:50

than one open door scene, that's

1:11:52

four, right? So four peppers, you

1:11:54

guys, but they're all worth it.

1:11:56

They're delicious. Okay, that's mine. So,

1:11:58

Knox, what's your green light? My

1:12:00

green light is, it's, it's on

1:12:02

the. It's a mini series, six

1:12:04

episodes, perfect amount. It's American Prime

1:12:07

Evil. This is, it stars

1:12:09

Reagan's. It's directed by P.

1:12:11

Berg from Fry Out Lights.

1:12:14

It is, the summary is

1:12:16

like, it's, there's a, it's

1:12:19

following the gritty, and I

1:12:21

emphasize gritty, visceral, adventurous,

1:12:24

exploration of. how the

1:12:26

American West was born

1:12:29

and the collisions of

1:12:31

progress, capitalism, religion,

1:12:34

the American military, Native

1:12:36

Americans, all that. This

1:12:38

is like I want to

1:12:40

emphasize how gritty this is and

1:12:43

I also want to emphasize if

1:12:45

you are a Mormon or a

1:12:47

member of the LDS Church, I

1:12:49

don't think you like this show.

1:12:51

It's not a great... And I don't,

1:12:53

I'm not educated enough to know how

1:12:55

many liberties are taken, if at all,

1:12:57

with the experience of the

1:13:00

Mormon expansion, but I am fascinated

1:13:02

in that time period, so I

1:13:04

do apologize if this is like

1:13:06

wildly out of context or whatever.

1:13:08

I'm just talking in terms, you

1:13:10

could replace who one of like

1:13:12

the central characters or groups is about,

1:13:14

you could make them, Christians, I don't

1:13:17

really care, I just like, I'm here

1:13:19

for Riggins doing stuff in the wild,

1:13:21

okay, and he is. He is. Is

1:13:23

there this, I don't know how many

1:13:26

peppers this is. I don't live in

1:13:28

your world, Jamie. Oh, are there peppers?

1:13:30

Wait, we get a, Reagan's bare butt.

1:13:33

Boom. You know, Betty Gilpin is up

1:13:35

in this. This is, so it's, it's,

1:13:37

this is definitely like Taylor Sheridan,

1:13:39

a chase. Okay. This is

1:13:41

like, it's very much in

1:13:43

the American West. And they're,

1:13:45

they use, I really enjoy the camera

1:13:48

angles in the cinematography. It's thoughtful.

1:13:50

There's a lot of low angles.

1:13:52

There's a lot of like these

1:13:54

really aggressive tracking shots during battles

1:13:57

and massacres that are kind of stunning

1:13:59

to pull off. And you can tell they

1:14:01

spent a lot of money on this, and

1:14:03

you can tell they were really committed

1:14:05

to, there's nothing romantic about this.

1:14:08

Like in the first episode,

1:14:10

I want to say like 10 minutes

1:14:12

in, you got Shea Wigam, who is

1:14:14

an absolute rock star in this TV

1:14:16

show. You get to Shea Wigam and

1:14:18

like this place called Four Bridger, and

1:14:20

you get this just rapid fire like

1:14:22

stepping in mud. pig intestines, someone dying,

1:14:24

a Frenchman starting up stuff like they

1:14:26

do, and you're just like, oh this

1:14:28

probably sucked to be alive during this

1:14:31

time, it was probably really difficult to

1:14:33

not get sick all the time, and

1:14:35

you're probably not able to like stay

1:14:37

clean or smell well. Right, like that's

1:14:39

what you get from the screen. So,

1:14:41

um, but nobody smelled well, so you all

1:14:43

smell the same. Exactly. We have no context

1:14:46

on what smelled great. So, but I love

1:14:48

Betty Gilpin, I love action, Betty Gilpin, I

1:14:50

love John, I love, I'm almost called John

1:14:52

Reagan's, I love Taylor Kitch, I love Taylor

1:14:55

Kitch, I love Pete Berg, I love Pete

1:14:57

Berg, I really love Shea Wigam, and I

1:14:59

love learning about periods of history

1:15:01

that I don't really have a good handle

1:15:04

have a good handle on, so, so, Leeway

1:15:06

they take with the truth of this

1:15:08

time period, but just like exploring it.

1:15:10

And it's six episodes, so that's nice.

1:15:12

We love a six episode, right? Love

1:15:14

six episodes, good stuff. Okay, that's going

1:15:16

to do it for this episode of

1:15:19

the podcast and before we go over

1:15:21

any time of the shopping on Amazon.

1:15:23

Make sure to go to Amazon, make

1:15:25

sure to go to amazon.com, make sure

1:15:27

to go to amazon.com, slash, slash, and

1:15:29

make sure to go to amazon.com, slash

1:15:31

shop, slash, slash, slash, slash. Okay, listen

1:15:34

this has 4.3 stars. I have used

1:15:36

these C-Bams on a cruise and I

1:15:38

find them to be very effective. I

1:15:40

love them because I get motion sick.

1:15:42

But Andrea did not like this. She

1:15:44

did give it one star on Amazon.

1:15:47

She said I purchased these from a

1:15:49

retail store for my daughter and they

1:15:51

worked. I decided to get my son

1:15:53

some and searched blue bands. This link

1:15:55

came up. Now the description does say

1:15:57

colors may vary, but I received pink.

1:15:59

Come on, right, Andrea. You're going to cruise.

1:16:01

Why you've way upset about this? And Andrew's title

1:16:04

of her view is if color matters to you, don't

1:16:06

buy from this link. And I thought, I bet color

1:16:08

does matter to you. Definitely at Andrea. All right,

1:16:10

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1:16:23

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1:16:25

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1:16:27

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1:16:29

I'm Jamie. You can find me on the internet

1:16:31

at Jamie B. Golden. I'm Knox Coy. You can

1:16:33

find me on the social site. Knox before. Thanks

1:16:35

for listening. We'll see you next time. Bye guys.