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of meow greens. Hi

1:09

everybody, welcome to a very

1:11

special park report interview. We have

1:14

the band IQ here, we have

1:16

Mike Holmes and Peter Nichols, how

1:18

you guys doing? Doing good, thanks.

1:21

Thanks for having us. Yeah. Hi, yeah,

1:23

I'm fine. Well, great to have you

1:25

guys both on. I don't think we've

1:27

ever had you guys on the podcast

1:30

before, which, you know, we try to

1:32

get everybody at some point that we

1:34

can. You guys have now, you're hitting

1:37

40 years, has been over 40 years

1:39

that you've been a band? Is

1:41

that right? 44 years. Amazing. Yeah,

1:43

next year is the 45th

1:45

anniversary, believe it or not. Wow,

1:47

that's amazing. You know, I imagine

1:50

this is a sort of a

1:52

silly question task, but... When you look back

1:54

on it now, can you believe it's been that

1:56

long and that you're still making music? Does it

1:58

sometimes, like, blow your mind? That is... been that

2:00

one? Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think,

2:03

you know, had you said to

2:05

me 30 years ago, I'd still be

2:07

doing this at my age now, I

2:09

would have doubted it very much. But

2:12

no, I mean, the band is

2:14

in great shape. We're, you know, we,

2:16

we, we, we're very happy with a

2:18

new album. And it's a great piece

2:21

of work. And I think for

2:23

us at, you know, 44 years in

2:25

to be doing a new album. and

2:27

a really strong new album I think

2:30

is a great place for us

2:32

to be. I think, you know, I'm

2:34

really enjoying being in IQ at the

2:36

moment. It's a really good time for

2:39

us. The band's very strong, very positive.

2:41

It's all looking good. Yeah. Absolutely. The

2:43

new album by the way Dominion

2:45

comes out on March 28th. Your 13th

2:48

studio album if I have that correct.

2:50

You know it's interesting looking back on

2:52

the career I was trying to

2:54

see if in those 40 years if

2:57

you guys took any long hiatus or

2:59

anything but you really haven't. It's been

3:01

pretty normal. Actually this is your

3:03

longest break between records release I think

3:06

which is six years. You know Mike.

3:08

How have you guys been able to

3:10

just maintain it so long without

3:12

saying I need to I need to

3:15

try something else I need 10 years

3:17

off you know I need I mean

3:19

it's what keeps you guys going

3:21

and being together? Well I think a

3:24

lot of it is friendship we're all

3:26

old friends and we you know we

3:28

have been for over 40 years

3:30

obviously and a lot of it is

3:33

for most of our lives this has

3:35

not been a full-time job it's been

3:37

like a a great hobby to

3:39

have. I mean that's changing a bit

3:42

now because quite a few of the

3:44

band have now finally retired from their

3:46

day job so they can get

3:48

a bit more involved band-wise but yeah

3:51

I'd say it's always been a kind

3:53

of nice extracurricular activity for us. in

3:55

my lives. Yeah. No, that's great.

3:57

Actually, I didn't think about that, that

4:00

now maybe you have more time to

4:02

do some of this stuff. You'd think

4:04

so, wouldn't you? But yeah, I

4:06

seem to be busy than ever. That's

4:09

right. So six years since the last

4:11

album. What, I suppose that this has

4:13

happened to a lot of bands

4:15

that I talked to recently that COVID

4:18

was the reason for the long delays,

4:20

is that what happened to you guys

4:22

as well? Yeah, yeah, we were

4:24

victims of that just like everybody was.

4:27

There was a period, I guess it

4:29

was a couple of years when we

4:31

really couldn't do any live work and

4:34

obviously we had to kind of keep

4:36

apart as everybody else did and

4:38

so that necessarily drove quite a wedge.

4:40

between us all, you know, but I

4:43

think had that not happened, there would

4:45

not have been a six-year wait

4:47

for this album. And I'm, I mean,

4:49

don't quote me, but I'm going to

4:52

stick my neck out and say, I

4:54

don't think it's going to be

4:56

five or six years before the next

4:58

album. I think, you know, I think

5:01

we have a good momentum right now.

5:03

I think, you know, everybody's feeling

5:05

very enthusiastic about the band and I

5:07

think there's a real, there's a real

5:10

energy. the amount of gigs that we're

5:12

doing this year in support of

5:14

the album and it's the most that

5:16

we've done in many many years and

5:19

so I think you know all being

5:21

well I would I would estimate

5:23

that the next album will be out

5:25

within the next five years let's just

5:28

put it that way but I don't

5:30

think there's there's going to be

5:32

a long wait as long a wait

5:34

for the next one I think I

5:37

think we're all aware of the March

5:39

of time you know and we

5:41

want to make best use of the

5:43

time while we have it Yeah,

5:46

you know what's also interesting you

5:48

were talking about a renaissance for

5:50

the for the band, but really

5:52

there's landmark albums throughout the band's

5:54

career that people sort of point

5:56

to earlier earlier, but really even

5:58

in the last 10, 15 years,

6:00

people talk about albums like Road

6:02

of Bones and Dark Matter and

6:04

frequency as even some of the

6:06

band's best work. So it's really

6:09

been a strong part for the

6:11

band, really I think throughout. But

6:13

I mean, particularly I think Road

6:15

of Bones is always one that

6:17

people talk about to me, that

6:19

when they mention the band. Do

6:21

you hear that a lot about

6:23

what albums people are liking when

6:25

they comment to you? Yeah, it

6:27

seems like everybody has their own

6:29

favorite and the nice thing is

6:31

it's not all one album. We

6:33

don't we don't have a fan

6:35

favorite classic album and then they

6:37

kind of tolerate the rest. It's

6:39

right. Good, but I think I

6:41

think we do have a pretty

6:43

good output and I think that's

6:46

because we didn't have quite a

6:48

high quality control. I mean that

6:50

may be one of the reasons

6:52

why sometimes it takes longer than

6:54

and other bands might to put

6:56

out a new album, but I

6:58

don't really like putting stuff out

7:00

just because it's there. It has

7:02

to be good. So actually that's

7:04

a good question. So what is

7:06

the barometer for you and how

7:08

how many ideas and songs or

7:10

demos go through a process before

7:12

you finally decide? I mean, this

7:14

album is long, but it's five

7:16

tracks, but there are long tracks

7:18

and there's a lot there. how

7:20

long before you settled on that?

7:23

Well, there was kind of an

7:25

album with a material that was

7:27

recorded at the same time, and

7:29

that will appear at some point,

7:31

but you're right. I mean, there's

7:33

a lot of stuff that doesn't

7:35

make it through onto the final

7:37

album. When we were starting to

7:39

work on this one, we played

7:41

a couple of tracks live as

7:43

working progress versions, just to give

7:45

people a taster of... how it

7:47

was going and neither of those

7:49

tracks made it onto the album

7:51

so Mike's right we do have

7:53

a high a high threshold I

7:55

think and I think one of

7:57

the great things about over recording

7:59

for an album is you get

8:02

to choose you don't have to

8:04

go with everything that you've got

8:06

you can pick and choose and

8:08

select what you think makes the

8:10

best album and so I think

8:12

we've always had that high we've

8:14

always kind of placed those high

8:16

demands on ourselves I think for

8:18

me I've always said that the

8:20

album is the most important thing

8:22

you know and when we're not

8:24

gigging any more the albums will

8:26

still be there and we'll still

8:28

be there and the new album

8:30

is the thing that defines us

8:32

you're only as good as your

8:34

latest album in that sense if

8:36

we put a you know we

8:39

put a clunker out then we've

8:41

we've done ourselves a disservice but

8:43

you know we always try really

8:45

hard to make it a good

8:47

positive thing we never want to

8:49

kind of release anything substandard because

8:51

it could just be detrimental to

8:53

the to the band's reputation you

8:55

know yeah absolutely and you know

8:57

what's great about this genre that

8:59

you know that that you guys

9:01

are in and that we all

9:03

get to talk about is that

9:05

the album still matters it's one

9:07

of the few places where where

9:09

all the fans want a new

9:11

album they want the longer song

9:13

the better you know and in

9:16

concert they want to hear the

9:18

new songs right it's not it's

9:20

not the normal kind of thing

9:22

well that's true I mean it's

9:24

not like people come along to

9:26

the gig and they're just really

9:28

wanting to hear stuff from 1985

9:30

you know people do embrace the

9:32

new stuff and you know the

9:34

new stuff is good and and

9:36

people are happy to hear the

9:38

new stuff so it's not like

9:40

they they they put up with

9:42

the new songs to hear the

9:44

oldies you know all the catalog

9:46

is well supported and and I

9:48

think that that's testament to the

9:50

fact that we take such a

9:52

lot of care and time over

9:55

putting the albums together they really

9:57

are you know the most important

9:59

aspect of what we do so

10:01

Mike when you decided to start

10:03

working on the salvo. You got

10:05

through the COVID period and now

10:07

you're like, okay, let's let's get

10:09

this one going. Is there a

10:11

particular starting point? How do you

10:13

guys start to ride and send

10:15

back? forth ideas and did you

10:17

record it in one studio? Talk

10:19

me through the process of what

10:21

making this record was like. Um,

10:23

cranky. Well, generally, I will come

10:25

up with a demo of something.

10:27

Um, and because everything is, you

10:29

know, now on computer, it can

10:32

sound a pretty finished. piece. Keyboards

10:34

are down and there's drums and

10:36

everything and generally tends to be

10:38

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11:41

guess I would come up with

11:43

a couple of tracks and I

11:46

would send them out and then

11:48

we'd have a rehearsal, we'd go

11:50

through stuff and we'd go through

11:52

stuff. talk about it and see

11:54

what we found about it really.

11:56

Has that changed a lot from

11:58

from earlier days? Were you back

12:00

then were you able to all

12:02

be in the same room and

12:04

sort of recording like that or

12:06

how long has it been that

12:08

you've been maybe just sending files

12:10

and you know doing it the

12:12

doing it the Norway? Well I

12:14

think if the technology had been

12:16

there earlier that's what we would

12:18

have done earlier it's just that

12:20

now we can we do before

12:22

we weren't able to do that

12:25

so occasionally we used to send

12:27

cassets out but it's We

12:29

had to essentially get in the

12:31

same room and try things out

12:33

and now we don't. Yeah, one

12:35

of the staples of the band

12:38

has always been the long epic

12:40

song that you always have been

12:42

really good at producing those and

12:44

some of my favorites. The first

12:46

track on this this one is

12:48

you know long 22 minutes the

12:50

unknown door just magnificent talk about

12:52

that song and do you like

12:54

writing the longer songs you is

12:56

that is that something that you

12:58

guys try to do or they

13:00

just happen naturally well yeah I

13:02

think I'm Pete said this recently

13:05

but we never a dude set

13:07

out to we never say okay

13:09

we've got 25 minutes we're gonna

13:11

make a 25 minute track we

13:13

just write and then if it

13:15

feels unfinished we carry on essentially

13:17

with the unknown door. There was,

13:19

I don't know, about eight or

13:21

ten minutes, paid something like that

13:23

for a while. Yeah. And then

13:25

we... I think when inspiration strikes,

13:27

you, you just kind of keep

13:29

going with it. And that's the

13:32

joy of the way Mike writes

13:34

is that, you know, he always

13:36

has a sense that something's not

13:38

quite finished yet. And so a

13:40

song can be... 12 minutes and

13:42

next time you hear a demo,

13:44

it's 18 minutes long and something

13:46

there's another six minutes of great

13:48

music that's appeared from nowhere. But

13:50

yeah, we don't ever set out.

13:52

with the intention of writing the

13:54

20-minute track for each album, but

13:56

I think when Mike hits that

13:59

kind of that flow it just

14:01

keeps going you know even with

14:03

that I think I don't I'd

14:05

done the vocals I've recorded the

14:07

vocals and and Mike said it

14:09

still doesn't feel quite right and

14:11

so right up until the 11th

14:13

hour changes were being made and

14:15

there was an extended bit added

14:17

to it and I think all

14:19

those decisions that Mike made. Well,

14:21

we're absolutely right because they do,

14:23

when you listen to the song

14:25

now, you can't imagine it any

14:28

other way. Right. But yeah, you're

14:30

right. Prog fans do tend to

14:32

kind of pounce on the long

14:34

tracks. And sometimes it's like, well,

14:36

the other songs are good as

14:38

well. It's very funny, I just

14:40

remember being, when I was younger,

14:42

seeing a longer song on a

14:44

Genesis record or something like that

14:46

and fearing those songs, you know,

14:48

and wanting to just hear as

14:50

many short ones as I could,

14:52

and now it's very much the

14:55

opposite. One of the things I

14:57

have to say, Peter, by the

14:59

way, the minute, one of the

15:01

signature marks of the band is

15:03

absolutely your voice, and the minute

15:05

the album starts and your voice

15:07

starts, it's... Just absolutely spot on

15:09

and it doesn't sound like your

15:11

voice is aged a minute at

15:13

all. It's incredible Well, I was

15:15

very kindly to say I think

15:17

that that was my one of

15:19

my concerns going into this album

15:22

Was I didn't want to sound

15:24

like a an old version of

15:26

myself and you know, it's important

15:28

for me that the band sounds

15:30

Energetic and confident and and purposeful

15:32

and I think it really does

15:34

with that track I think one

15:36

of the things when we're doing

15:38

an album is it's always a

15:40

challenge to find a different way

15:42

to start an album and to

15:44

finish an album in fact and

15:46

we've never started an album like

15:49

that I suppose the last human

15:51

gateway kind of started with an

15:53

isolated vocal a little bit but

15:55

You know, you either go for

15:57

the big full introduction of the

15:59

band, here we are, we mean

16:01

business, where you go to a

16:03

different approach, and you're right, with

16:05

the unknown door, with it being

16:07

such a solitary vocal, there's nowhere

16:09

for me to hide really. So

16:11

the vocal has to be strong,

16:13

you don't want to open the

16:16

album with the voice sounding crap

16:18

and people kind of losing interest

16:20

in the first 30 seconds. But

16:22

yeah, I mean, it's a nice

16:24

way to start an album and...

16:26

I really like that track. This

16:28

album I can genuinely listen to

16:30

all the way through For Pleasure.

16:32

Previous albums there are certain tracks

16:34

where I think I would rather

16:36

do the vocal again. But actually

16:38

I think the voice thankfully is

16:40

kind of holding up okay. And

16:42

I think I sound on this

16:45

album like I've always kind of

16:47

wanted to sound. So it's taking

16:49

me 40 odd years. kind of

16:51

starting to get the hang of

16:53

it a little now. Yeah, no,

16:55

absolutely. It sounds amazing. And it's

16:57

cool because you put on something,

16:59

every new album you get from

17:01

any new band, you don't know

17:03

what you're going to be getting

17:05

when you go in. And then

17:07

this one was just like you

17:09

put on and your voice starts

17:12

singing and immediately you're just like,

17:14

oh yeah, okay, this is going

17:16

to be fine, you know, that's

17:18

the feeling that I got right

17:20

away, which was just really cool.

17:22

There's a first Lear video single

17:24

out now, No Dominion song. Any

17:26

story behind that, the no dominion

17:28

title and calling the album dominion,

17:30

what's the story of that song,

17:32

Mike, if you want to elaborate?

17:34

I guess this is more complete,

17:36

really. Okay. I just, I think,

17:39

I guess for me personally, when

17:41

we were doing resistance, it was

17:43

a bit of a dark time

17:45

for me and it was not

17:47

a particularly great time to get

17:49

through, but... with dominion I feel

17:51

much much more positive. and I

17:53

feel I was just kind of

17:55

looking for a way to to

17:57

think about the idea of the

17:59

world that we each create for

18:01

ourselves and how to create the

18:03

best world for ourselves and this

18:06

this kind of came from a

18:08

few places one of one of

18:10

which is like Mike said I've

18:12

stopped working now so I have

18:14

more time more energy for the

18:16

band but there's one thing that

18:18

Mike had said a couple years

18:20

back I think it was a

18:22

show that he'd seen and there

18:24

was a phrase the time is

18:26

now and I really thought about

18:28

that a lot and I kind

18:30

of I really realized that I

18:33

kind of set a lot of

18:35

store by that and I think

18:37

you know that general feeling of

18:39

maybe this is something that comes

18:41

with age but but that feeling

18:43

of making the best use of

18:45

the time that we have and

18:47

making the best life for ourselves

18:49

and making the best world for

18:51

ourselves so I think the dominion

18:53

thing was us creating our

18:56

own kind of our own personal domain

18:58

not only for ourselves but for the

19:00

people around us the people that we

19:02

love and and that actually came from

19:04

a Dylan Thomas poem and death shall

19:07

have no dominion and I just thought

19:09

the word dominion had a real kind

19:11

of gravity task to it yeah and

19:13

there's always that that thing when you

19:15

come up with a title and you

19:18

think right who else has used this

19:20

you go on to Amazon are there

19:22

any albums called dominion and I'm sure

19:24

there are but you know what what

19:26

can you do whatever you do, someone

19:29

else has done it first. But I

19:31

remember kind of mentioning it to Mike

19:33

saying, what do you think about dominion?

19:35

And he kind of said, yeah, it

19:37

sounds okay. And we kind of left

19:40

it hanging. So to me, it's just

19:42

the idea that the world that we

19:44

live in, the world that we each

19:46

individually live in is of our own

19:49

making. And the time is the most

19:51

time and health are the most important

19:53

commodities that we have really. And do

19:55

it now. You know, we can always

19:57

put things off until next week, but

20:00

actually you don't know what lies in

20:02

store next week. week so if you

20:04

can do it today do it today

20:06

I would say yeah I want to

20:08

ask you also about the last song

20:11

of the album which is also one

20:13

of my favorites on our Neverland talk

20:15

about that one what's what's the story

20:17

about that behind that song and how

20:19

that came together? Mike when he presented

20:22

the the demo for that I I

20:24

could I could hear straight away that

20:27

it was going to be a

20:29

great song. I felt like when

20:31

he played Stay Down for Resistance,

20:33

just hearing the demo, I could

20:35

imagine it being a really brilliant

20:37

track. And as soon as he

20:39

played that track, I just kind

20:41

of, I could hear it being

20:43

a really solid piece of work

20:46

and possibly a great way to

20:48

end the album. And I think

20:50

for me is probably my favourite

20:52

track on the album. I think

20:54

it's probably my favourite track on

20:56

the album. I think it has...

20:58

a great spirit to it and

21:00

I think musically it's a genius

21:02

piece of work from Mike I

21:04

think I think most of the

21:06

the music on this album is

21:09

kind of more it feels more

21:11

melodic it feels more positive it

21:13

feels more more direct in some

21:15

ways and the lyric for that

21:17

was just you know two people

21:19

and one of the people has

21:21

passed away and is how the

21:23

other person remembers that person who's

21:25

gone and you know you recollect

21:27

somebody in I don't know it

21:30

might be a song that you

21:32

both liked or somewhere that you

21:34

both went to walk or a

21:36

sunset or you know we all

21:38

remember people in different ways but

21:40

that was kind of the basic

21:42

feeling that I had behind the

21:44

lyrics for that song but I

21:46

think it's a really brilliant track

21:48

I really do. Yeah agreed. Mike

21:50

when you're Just trying to decide

21:53

what songs to play live. Are

21:55

you guys are you coming up

21:57

with the set list or how

21:59

are you pulling from 13 albums

22:01

now of material? Yeah, I guess

22:03

I do come up with most

22:05

set lists. I think putting a

22:07

set list together for a live

22:09

show is a bit like putting

22:11

an album together. It has to,

22:13

you have to be aware of

22:16

certain things and it has to

22:18

flow, you have to have a

22:20

really strong start and an end,

22:22

interesting bits in the middle, and

22:24

a few surprises as well. And

22:26

yeah, one thing that someone said

22:28

about us recently was that we

22:30

curate our back catalog very well,

22:32

live. Which is true, we don't,

22:34

we're not one of the bands

22:37

that goes out and plays the

22:39

new album and then a few

22:41

old tracks. We like to kind

22:43

of respect the whole catalog and

22:45

draw from every album we can.

22:47

Yeah, it's got to be a

22:49

challenge. Also when you have... like

22:51

for example on this album if

22:53

you want to play you know

22:55

the unknown door that's that's 20

22:57

minutes right there that's the trunk

23:00

of the show right so you

23:02

guys are going to be on

23:04

cruise to the edge next month

23:06

in April it's going to be

23:08

my first time getting to see

23:10

you guys going to be on

23:12

the ship so I'm really excited

23:14

about that the last time you

23:16

played in the States was I

23:18

think Pete you said it might

23:21

was about seven years ago and

23:23

yes 2018 we did the the

23:25

raw way That was a festival,

23:27

I don't remember that, I'd love

23:29

it. But yeah, that was railway

23:31

2018 and we did Canada at

23:33

the same time as well. So

23:35

it's seven years since we've been

23:37

in your neck of the woods.

23:39

Yeah. Yeah, excited to have you

23:41

guys on. If you started planning

23:44

yet, what do you think you're

23:46

going to be playing on the

23:48

ship? Any surprises people can expect?

23:50

Oh, just the early stuff. Hey,

23:52

either one is great. So I'm

23:54

curious if, you know, what's the

23:56

album for each of you? I

23:58

think if you were going to

24:00

recommend an IQ album to someone

24:02

that's never heard the band before,

24:04

what's the album that you think

24:07

is the one that does? that

24:09

you that holds up for you

24:11

as that one they need to

24:13

listen to. I think I think

24:15

traditionally when people put out a

24:17

new album they always tend to

24:19

say the new album is the

24:21

right. And I kind of it

24:23

is for me right now. I

24:25

think it's a really good strong

24:28

album. I don't know really. When

24:30

we we did the whole of

24:32

frequency recently and I'd kind of

24:34

sidelined that album in my head.

24:36

for some reason, but hearing it

24:38

all and playing it all again,

24:40

you know, I kind of rediscovered

24:42

it and thought this is a

24:44

really strong album. I like this

24:46

album, you know. I think subterranean

24:48

is always kind of the one

24:51

that people kind of set as

24:53

a benchmark. Yeah. Hmm. But right

24:55

now I would say dominion is

24:57

the one that I can listen

24:59

to for enjoyment, certainly. That's wonderful.

25:01

Mike, what about you? Oh, I

25:03

don't know. It's such a difficult

25:05

question to answer really, purely because

25:07

I've been working on it recently,

25:09

I would have to say the

25:12

latest album, simply because I tend

25:14

not to play old IQ albums.

25:16

So that's the one that's in

25:18

my head the most. And I

25:20

think... it's still a pretty good

25:22

representation of who we are, certainly

25:24

who we are now, but it

25:26

still, it sounds, you know, you

25:28

can imagine this being linked to

25:30

the rest of the catalog, I

25:32

think. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, I mean

25:35

absolutely sounds like the band for

25:37

sure it's not you're not getting

25:39

anything, you know anything crazy But

25:41

it's certainly fresh interesting like you

25:43

said, it's it's it's more More

25:45

positive. I guess the you know

25:47

you were talking about So yeah

25:49

fantastic album guys dominion comes out

25:51

on March 28th, and of course

25:53

the band will be on Cruce

25:55

the edge soon. So hopefully you

25:58

can get to see them on

26:00

that and yeah any other Tor

26:02

plus plans for the rest of

26:04

the year? Have you guys announced

26:06

anything yet or stuff in the

26:08

works? There's lots. Yeah, there's lots

26:10

of stuff. We've got a couple

26:12

of more. We've taken to doing

26:14

these weekender things. We've done a

26:16

couple now in the UK, Germany.

26:19

We've got one in Paris. I've

26:21

got a weekender coming up in

26:23

Poland. Some festivals in the UK

26:25

and then our Christmas shows. I

26:27

mean, this year, I think we've

26:29

got about 23 shows or something.

26:31

Yeah, yeah. So like I say,

26:33

this is, it just feels like

26:35

a rebirth for the band. We're

26:37

very busy. Very cool. Pretty good

26:39

for old bastards like us. 23

26:42

shows in one year is quite

26:44

an achievement really. That is, that's

26:46

good. Absolutely. I think we haven't

26:48

done it yet. So let's keep

26:50

our fingers crossed. What we were

26:52

saying earlier about, does... Can you

26:54

imagine you have been doing 44

26:56

years? What does it feel like?

26:58

And in my head, it's great,

27:00

but my body after the thing

27:03

is another thing. That's right. Yeah,

27:05

I get it. I get it.

27:07

Well, guys, a pleasure talking to

27:09

you. Check out the album Dominion

27:11

and we'll see you all again

27:13

real soon. Bye bye. She is

27:15

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27:17

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