Design Week Portland is this week! Come to the live recording or Tweet us your Dumb Business ideas. More info here.

Alan and JJ Robinson are our guests on this episode, where we discuss working in house, working at agencies, and founding agencies. Our guests started their own agency called Muscle + Bone and ran it for 2 years before moving on. We talk about founding a business with your spouse (!), hiring people, brick and mortar versus virtual, and how Joel thinks salaries make people lazy.