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tray who falls up Travan Heath

1:03

He's a sinner. How was that movie?

1:05

How was your past week? How's it

1:07

how's it been? Sinners first of

1:10

all I'm doing incredible, but

1:12

Sinners was arguably like one

1:14

of the best movies I watched

1:17

probably the last like few years

1:19

and like you you know me

1:21

I'm anti avant-garde anti high

1:23

pup high pup art but it

1:25

got me I some of some of

1:27

these scenes I know you haven't

1:29

watched it so I won't swell

1:32

much but some of these scenes

1:34

I'm like I said cinema while

1:36

watching it so there's a

1:38

tweet we're entertaining okay so

1:40

there's a tweet from must

1:43

have been what 2017 from

1:45

Emily locked the walla a white

1:47

woman who says, so I carefully did

1:49

not buy black panther tickets for opening

1:52

weekend because I did not want to

1:54

be the white person sucking black joy

1:56

out of the theater. What's the appropriate

1:59

date for me to buy tickets? Is

2:01

next weekend okay? And I tweeted this

2:03

out, but I'm wondering, Trey, you know,

2:06

when can I buy tickets to sinners?

2:08

I'm thinking three weeks. Three weeks? Just

2:10

because it wasn't like Black Panther, like

2:13

everyone rushed to the theater because it's

2:15

a Marvel movie and it had the

2:17

marketing budget, now it's just making its

2:20

little word in the mouth. So the

2:22

next week is gonna be the real

2:24

rush. So you gotta give another week,

2:27

let people watch it, let them have

2:29

their think pieces, and break it down,

2:31

and then tell you how to feel

2:34

about the movie. So you can. And

2:36

if I get a seat, what if

2:38

a black person has to sit at

2:41

the front and crane their neck? I

2:43

mean, what is it? That's shaky. Like

2:45

one, like you kind of don't want

2:48

to, you got to teach them a

2:50

lesson, you know, you got to arrive

2:52

early to the movie. But at the

2:55

same time, optics are horrible. Yeah, Allegia,

2:57

he's been really bugging me about when

2:59

we're going to go watch that together.

3:02

So sometime soon, but sinners is good.

3:04

Last week's been good. I know we

3:06

told everybody we'd be doing CMB this

3:09

week, but actually next week we're just

3:11

going to do a bigger draft episode.

3:13

And I also will be bringing on

3:16

draft people to the podcast over the

3:18

next however many weeks to retread. prospects

3:20

that Trey and I have talked about

3:23

because more opinions is good and we're

3:25

here to basically canvas one another and

3:27

say what is the perfect off season

3:30

look like what do we want to

3:32

have happened for these raptors and to

3:34

set the scene these raptors were a

3:37

top half defense just barely a bottom

3:39

half offense what do they need they

3:41

clearly need more depth perhaps even impact

3:44

at the big man position they are

3:46

low on impact at the point guard

3:48

position although Maybe some people believe that's

3:51

answered on roster, some people believe that's

3:53

elsewhere. They have a glut of wings,

3:55

and they have a couple people leaving.

3:58

Trey, I'll start off with you. What

4:00

is the big thing that you just

4:02

guaranteed? You just have to... have the

4:05

raptors doing in this up coming off

4:07

season? They need to either through a

4:09

traffic or or sign someone larger than

4:12

six five but shorter than six ten.

4:14

Similar to Canada basketball the Raptors have

4:16

like a gluttony of like six foot

4:19

to six five tons of guys who

4:21

play the same same position and they

4:23

might even draft another guy with those

4:26

same with with the same bill same

4:28

measurements and You see it when they

4:30

play larger teams that have like those

4:33

big power wings. I've noticed it in

4:35

games where they play the Knicks, when

4:37

they play a team like Denver, or

4:40

like Aaron Gordon's just gonna, you're not

4:42

gonna be able to stop him off

4:44

the glass, you're not gonna be able

4:47

to stop him on drives because you

4:49

have Jacoby Walter, Grady Dick, who's trying

4:51

to stop him from getting there. They

4:54

don't got, Jacoby might have the hoods,

4:56

but even Grady might have the hoods,

4:58

but honestly. But the little light in

5:01

the ass. and we need we need

5:03

someone that's going to be able to

5:06

guard those type of players and it

5:08

would make things a lot easier because

5:10

in most of the situations you're forcing

5:13

Scotty to step further out and guard

5:15

those people that's not what you want

5:17

because he's so important to the defense

5:20

and so your expectation isn't that Brandon

5:22

Ingram is going to take those types

5:24

of roles it's looking off roster for

5:27

this yeah we we we we need

5:29

someone that's gonna get muddy someone that

5:31

makes lineups lineups tenable Mobile is that

5:34

guy already? It's just the offense is

5:36

so far away. That's it. That wouldn't

5:38

have been where my mind went. That's

5:41

really interesting. When you think about like

5:43

people coming up in this free agency

5:45

class or guys who are, I guess,

5:48

not really valued elsewhere. Does somebody come

5:50

to mind? Like Dorian Finney Smith, depending

5:52

on how this playoff run goes with

5:55

the Lakers, maybe he doesn't take his

5:57

player option. Maybe he's trying to get

5:59

something bigger, but then you're going north

6:02

of the middle level. There's like, Luke

6:04

Kennard will be available, but he doesn't

6:06

solve anything. Trey Jones is too small.

6:09

Jeff Green is the ultimate vet. Like,

6:11

do you think of anybody? Jay Sean

6:13

Tate is available at his big, big

6:16

age of 29. Crazy. I know we've

6:18

made jokes at his expense or even.

6:20

And here's the fun one. We didn't

6:23

talk about this prior, but I'll say

6:25

this. Jonathan Camingha is getable. I know

6:27

you and I have disagreed about Mr.

6:30

Camingha. for years now. I am for

6:32

the podcast Faithful, a comminga supporter, a

6:34

comminga believer. Where are you on, John

6:37

think, comminga? Can I try and get

6:39

you into that? Well, I think Darko

6:41

could scheme up ways for him to

6:44

score properly, like score inefficient ways, but

6:46

it's the same scenario with the war

6:48

is where like he kind of needs

6:51

to, you kind of need to build

6:53

lineups around his lack of shooting. and

6:55

his lack of ability to put it

6:58

on the floor. And the Raptors aren't

7:00

a good enough team where you can

7:02

have him attach him to the hip

7:05

with Steph Curry and allow him to

7:07

be able to work through the middle.

7:09

The Raptors have none of those, maybe

7:12

that's Emanuel quickly, hopefully, but they have

7:14

none of those guys that offer that

7:16

honestly. So I think it would be

7:19

tough. Like when I'm thinking like wings,

7:21

I don't even think it needs to

7:23

be like a home run starter. looking

7:26

at some guys like Caleb Hausens probably

7:28

getable for like from from the magic

7:30

is a He's gonna be a restrictive

7:33

free agent. Someone that couldn't still space

7:35

the floor exactly you want has the

7:37

requisite size of what you need. The

7:40

guy that we've mentioned previously in the

7:42

draft class that I particularly wanted when

7:44

we had the 30. I think it

7:47

was the 35th pick that year, the

7:49

local year. I'm not mistaken. 33rd, 33rd.

7:51

I know Nick Nurse fell to his

7:54

knees when Andrew Nimmar got trapped. I

7:56

felt to my knees when he got

7:58

trapped. Oh man, but

8:01

they just need a guy that's

8:03

tenable in some of these lamps

8:05

because you don't want Brandon Ingram

8:07

guarding the other team's best wing

8:09

and you also don't want him

8:11

guarding like some of the larger

8:13

wings in the league. He's more

8:15

of a slight guy, more rangy

8:17

guy and you want him to

8:19

probably, his best impact is like

8:21

team defense help, being a help

8:23

defender and like making sure that

8:25

he doesn't tank. tank lineups, but

8:27

you need guys that get dirty,

8:29

confide on the glass, and similar

8:32

to like what Davian does, like

8:34

just live within the offense, allow

8:36

the other guys to do what

8:38

they do. Yeah, I don't like

8:40

Davian is a pretty singular player,

8:42

but it's your point of... the

8:44

Brandon Ingram where you want him

8:46

in the defense. It is, like

8:48

if you, if any of the

8:50

listeners have been kind of keeping

8:52

tabs on past Calciacam, well wishing

8:54

or maybe hoping for downfall, I

8:56

don't know what you get into

8:58

as a fan, you can see

9:01

like Tyrese in the weak side

9:03

corner on Torian Prince, you can

9:05

see also Damien Lillard, like these

9:07

guys are hidden because they're weak

9:09

defenders, not necessarily because they're guards

9:11

and Brandon Ingram. If he's in

9:13

that position, that Tyries Halberton is

9:15

in, for example, it's a lot

9:17

more size and length to throw

9:19

at these weak side zones. It's

9:21

somewhere where you can keep him

9:23

and he's probably more effective, especially

9:25

if he's diligent stepping in as

9:27

a rotator. I'll give you a

9:29

name that used to be quite

9:32

popular. Like it's Obie One. You're

9:34

not a Star Wars guy, but

9:36

Obie One Canoe. I haven't heard

9:38

that name. I know. I know.

9:40

Well, of course I know him.

9:42

He's meer. He's a mere coffee.

9:44

Oh wow, that's that's made the

9:46

pot runs a few times. Oh,

9:48

he and Jayla Noel had a

9:50

summer of yearning, a summer of

9:52

yearning for coffee in the well.

9:54

I'll give you the stats. He

9:56

hasn't played in the playoffs. He

9:58

hasn't he hasn't hit the line

10:01

up. But this year, he played

10:03

24 minutes a game and he

10:05

gave you just about 10. points

10:07

per game, two rebounds, one assist,

10:09

and he is scrappy. If you're

10:11

gonna be a low usage wing

10:13

on those clippers, you know who's

10:15

gonna make you defend? Mr. Lou,

10:17

he's gonna he's gonna make you

10:19

get after it. So I'm your

10:21

coffee if you're going for the

10:23

like low impact, just like getable

10:25

guy. He might be the guy

10:27

you can get after. Now. You

10:29

know comminga I don't even know

10:32

what that trade package would look

10:34

like I I see it's been

10:36

I mean it's been kicked around

10:38

for a while because Messiah was

10:40

reportedly into Jonathan comminga at all

10:42

of that time but outside of

10:44

that I guess Chris Boucher is

10:46

another guy who fits that that

10:48

size range that you're talking about

10:50

is it just an easy walk

10:52

for you you want like Chris

10:54

Boucher to greener pastures perhaps? Yeah

10:56

video package first game back so

10:58

moved to him hugs but I

11:00

think on the Ross and they've

11:03

they've already shown it through their

11:05

actions like he he doesn't make

11:07

sense to like mobiles taking a

11:09

lot of the minutes that he

11:11

would have gotten. Yeah and they

11:13

just they are not interested in

11:15

it seemingly 100% and like that's

11:17

man that's a funny thing because

11:19

Chris occupies like a similar salary

11:21

range to guys like who like

11:23

maybe like he's close to like

11:25

Tyball he's close to conatin Stephen

11:27

Adams these types of guys like

11:29

in that range. But a lot

11:32

of these guys I think will

11:34

see their salaries descend and I

11:36

think we'll see we'll see Chris

11:38

Bouchase as well. As far as

11:40

the big man position that was

11:42

the one thing Messiah said when

11:44

asked about need versus best player

11:46

available in his draft process or

11:48

what's the word that everybody used

11:50

to use to describe like I

11:52

can't remember. Wait let me look

11:54

this up. It was a what

11:56

the. It was like your process

11:58

for understanding something. Heuristic, that's what

12:00

it is. Your draft heuristic, that's

12:03

the word I was looking. for.

12:05

The big man seems to be

12:07

a target. Is that on the

12:09

roster? Is that elsewhere? Yeah, I

12:11

think that once, I think that

12:13

once, I think that you, you

12:15

solve in the draft with one

12:17

of your, with one of your

12:19

two. Are you gonna make the

12:21

pitch again? I can only, I

12:23

can only say it so many

12:25

times, but like, if they get

12:27

to seven, like, it's, there are

12:29

green again, no, no, no brainer.

12:31

you can operate in all the

12:34

ways the raptors ask from an

12:36

offensive standpoint and you have a

12:38

defensive linchpin that can make up

12:40

for some of his defensive like

12:42

liabilities I would say so either

12:44

that or with your second pick

12:46

or your second pick in the

12:48

second round you get you get

12:50

a guy that's that you can

12:52

plug and play is not not

12:54

the word but a guy that

12:56

can fill those type of minutes

12:58

I just think for a veteran

13:00

big While it could be nice,

13:03

I think the Raptors are still

13:05

in a space where like those

13:07

those benchments are still being used

13:09

by guys like they want they

13:11

want to develop and I want

13:13

to have long term and a

13:15

bench big of the Raptors are

13:17

really good. They can find for

13:19

a second round pick at the

13:21

deadline and get that guy really

13:23

quickly like a Stephen Adams for

13:25

example. Well also like Davion has

13:27

been unbelievable for the heat in

13:29

the playoffs and it was very

13:31

easy to obtain from the Raptors

13:34

from the Raptors. at that time,

13:36

you know, people called us jackasses

13:38

for thinking that the members could

13:40

get anything for them. But hey,

13:42

I mean, what do we know?

13:44

I do want to ask you,

13:46

we can just take you here

13:48

as far as, because you say

13:50

queen at seven, but let's do

13:52

this. At one, we're both taking

13:54

Cooper Flag, yeah? Of course. At

13:56

number two, who are you taking?

13:58

I've switched it. Oh, I want

14:00

to say another name, but I

14:03

probably be like in real life

14:05

I think I'd be too scared

14:07

to say the name so I

14:09

would take Dylan Harper I mean

14:11

I'm DJ wow I like DJ

14:13

wow I like VJ number two.

14:15

So if the Raptors were at

14:17

number two and maybe like maybe

14:19

you get a unique opportunity like

14:21

trade down and still get VJ

14:23

depending on the boards or whatever.

14:25

But I think from looking around

14:27

I think VJ is my second

14:29

favorite prospect in this class as

14:31

crazy as that sounds. He's very

14:34

very impressive. Three is who's three

14:36

things. Three I would take VJ,

14:38

that would be a no-brainer. Two,

14:40

you're scared of the floor, I

14:42

think is the issue. I like

14:44

his four. I think Dylan Harper's

14:46

floor is higher though. Like, maybe,

14:48

in the context of the Raptors

14:50

now, they don't necessarily need that

14:52

skill set, maybe as much as

14:54

they did, pre-Brenningham trade. But it's

14:56

still a guy that had some

14:58

of the highest driving, like metrics

15:00

of the last 10 years. The

15:02

thing you'd be scared of obviously

15:05

is if things go not well

15:07

at all, and you're like, we

15:09

drafted Aaron Niesmith at number two.

15:11

Ernie Smith is a starter on

15:13

a playoff team, and a good

15:15

one. But you're like, number two,

15:17

you know, but Vijay, I've come

15:19

around on a lot. I would,

15:21

at number three, I'd go Harper,

15:23

so I guess we're inverted there.

15:25

Who is your number four? Because

15:27

remember, for listeners, the Raptors can't

15:29

choose five or six. It's not

15:31

possible for them to jump to

15:34

five or six the way the

15:36

watery works. They either go top

15:38

four or they go between seven

15:40

and 11 at number four. Who

15:42

are you taking? I think I

15:44

picked Eric Queen honestly. I probably

15:46

I probably still to be honest.

15:48

Just like with Ace Bailey you

15:50

have a guy that like has

15:52

the profile of a shooter. or

15:54

of like Marco Porter Jr. but

15:56

doesn't necessarily shoot like Michael Porter

15:58

Jr. And that's a tough. so

16:00

because that's supposed to be his

16:02

outlier skill and currently it hasn't

16:05

really popped off in the way

16:07

that maybe like some of like

16:09

the high school reputation sort of

16:11

had and you know that there's

16:13

some limitations obviously driving and putting

16:15

it putting it on the floor

16:17

and like on the the aspect

16:19

of the raptors it's tough like

16:21

you're gonna need a guy he's

16:23

not gonna have possessions where he's

16:25

gonna be working out those creation

16:27

issues like they're in a position

16:29

now where you need a guy

16:31

that There's a sure bet that

16:34

can create for themselves, score the

16:36

basketball, and you're not worried about

16:38

his liabilities both kind of defensively,

16:40

which I think I'm higher defensively

16:42

than most, I would say, but

16:44

it still isn't a positive skill,

16:46

I would say. This

16:48

is very interesting. So their coin

16:50

has jumped all the way to

16:52

number four for you. Your Magnus

16:55

Carlson over here dog, you fell

16:57

in love with the chess piece.

16:59

Holy moly at four. I still

17:01

I think I still think if

17:03

I'm sitting at four and You

17:06

know, there isn't like a very

17:08

strong consolidation trade which It's hard

17:10

to build out trades, we'll talk

17:12

a little bit about it later,

17:14

but the Raptors are in a

17:17

position where they could make a

17:19

consolidation trade now. If nothing comes

17:21

up, I think I do go

17:23

chalk a little bit. If Ace

17:25

Bailey is there, it's either him

17:28

or Trey Johnson probably for me.

17:30

Ace I think has a higher

17:32

upside, but Trey, God, Trey is

17:34

really fun to watch. I've grabbed

17:36

Ace for the upside aspect of

17:39

it all. That's totally fair. He's

17:41

just so impressive in some respects.

17:43

Okay, seven. You can't go there

17:45

a queen anymore. You already put

17:47

him in the top four. That's

17:50

incredible. Where, who do you go

17:52

with number seven? Is this? Oh,

17:54

I'm sprint, I'm sprinting with the

17:56

media car that says Jeremiah Pierce.

17:58

Right on there. It'll be like

18:01

such a cool like, like a

18:03

passion project of some. So it's

18:05

like, he, the raptures have never

18:07

had that quinnis, the quintessential creator

18:09

point guard that can go up

18:12

and down the court. That's super

18:14

athletic. They've had all about guard

18:16

point guards. Guys who move the

18:18

ball, guys, they get connected passes,

18:20

connective assist, hockey type plays, and

18:22

you see the impact, you see

18:25

the aggregate. Whereas we've never had

18:27

that Deere in Fox, that big

18:29

time point guard, that John Wall,

18:31

big time point guard, that can

18:33

do all that stuff. I think

18:36

it would be really cool, and

18:38

I believe in the shooting upside.

18:40

So I think Jeremiah Fierce, in

18:42

a read drive could be like

18:44

top four, top five player easily.

18:47

You love this in-group out-group dynamic.

18:49

You, oh, everything's off-on-card. Cool guy,

18:51

cool guy. You're running from the

18:53

spreadsheet, man. Oh, my days. I

18:55

think... Why would you want the

18:58

Air Fox or John Wall? You

19:00

can have Kalaure. Why? You have

19:02

Kalaure. A super-diner. Geez. That's like...

19:04

It seemed a bit trite and

19:06

glib to borrow from mine in

19:09

Caitlin's podcast. I do think a

19:11

guard who fits the aesthetic of

19:13

like Superstar Guards is to your

19:15

point new in Toronto, just even

19:17

from a fan experience. The Lakers

19:20

have gotten a cheer for every

19:22

type of player under the sun,

19:24

right? Like they've gotten it all,

19:26

man. And the Raptors, it's a

19:28

very specific type of player that

19:31

you've been able to cheer for,

19:33

even just having that diversity of

19:35

like, fandom. Because you know, some

19:37

fan bases understand certain styles of

19:39

play better than others because of

19:42

what they've been exposed to, what

19:44

they've seen work. You know, Warriors

19:46

fans have a much higher appreciation

19:48

for the split action. the split

19:50

cut than a lot of other

19:53

franchises fans do and the Raptors

19:55

I mean it they are picky

19:57

about decision-making with guards obviously because

19:59

Kyle was so good and Fred

20:01

was god I mean like so

20:03

like he wouldn't turn the ball

20:06

over but some of the shot

20:08

making decisions were just like holy

20:10

hell man what's going on here

20:12

but if they had a guard

20:14

who like splits the middle and

20:17

is like soaring to the bucket

20:19

like Fierce does could be really

20:21

fun yeah seven yeah I'll go

20:23

Fierce too because I I think

20:25

you'd be really fun to cover

20:28

and I think yeah that that

20:30

that would be fun to have

20:32

in the city and also like

20:34

as much as we get you

20:36

said like the rappers may not

20:39

need X or Y type of

20:41

player because how they build out

20:43

the offense Darko loves point cards

20:45

yeah and a responsible point guard

20:47

like Davian Mitchell played really well

20:50

for the Raptors and I know

20:52

there was a lot of homing

20:54

and hot there was a lot

20:56

of debate about him constantly but

20:58

he was he was good especially

21:01

relative to his his salary what

21:03

he was asked to do and

21:05

Dennis relative to his salary relatively

21:07

to what he was asked to

21:09

do he's a middle-level exception player

21:12

Darko gets stuff out of his

21:14

point guards and could be interesting.

21:16

and also creates a different avenue

21:18

for what a manual quickly looks

21:20

like for these raptors going forward

21:23

to without having to entertain perhaps

21:25

a trade or something like that

21:27

so interesting very interesting that's that's

21:29

probably like okay yeah we have

21:31

one two three four and seven

21:34

I mean if it goes farther

21:36

it could be any it could

21:38

be any are you gonna hop

21:40

on the the draft lottery podcast

21:42

I don't if we fall down

21:44

I Please just ex, please bump

21:47

me down from this live stream.

21:49

We, if we go down to

21:51

nine or ten. I want you

21:53

live. I want you live, dude.

21:55

No! Oh man. I don't think,

21:58

what's a lot of said probably,

22:00

when we lost to the bull.

22:02

on the plane. I scream like

22:04

nobody's business. I couldn't believe that

22:06

I went through such pain for

22:09

a season like that. Yeah. And

22:11

the thing was, like, they worked

22:13

really hard. They made the trade.

22:15

They played at like a 47

22:17

win pace, despite not even playing

22:20

well. And I think Pascal had

22:22

what, like 33. And whatever else,

22:24

like he had a high number

22:26

of assists as well, like they

22:28

got the star performance. Scotty played

22:31

well in that game. He had

22:33

like 19 points on what maybe

22:35

like 12 shots, 13 shots and

22:37

he rebounded well. He was like

22:39

in it and they lost that

22:42

game because Fred couldn't beat Vuchovich

22:44

man. It was, I remember when

22:46

we lost ice cream, we traded

22:48

a first round for this, I

22:50

can't believe it. Oh man, yeah.

22:53

Disheartening, extremely disheartening. Man, I guess

22:55

Fred is a, he might be

22:57

a free agent, you wanna go

22:59

down that road with the, you

23:01

wanna throw the piggy bank at

23:04

him? I'll pass. I've enjoyed watching

23:06

Fred from afar a lot, especially

23:08

seeing how he transformed Houston, even

23:10

when he's playing bad, like, he

23:12

helps them win minutes, even when

23:15

he's shooting tour dates. There is

23:17

a tweet. I sent it to

23:19

our mutual friend T because he's

23:21

very into this type of talk.

23:23

There's a Turkish NBA analyst, his

23:26

name is Khan Kural. He said,

23:28

Fred Van Vlee played very bad,

23:30

but Jaylon Green played wrong. Those

23:32

are very different things. Oh. Oh.

23:34

Oh. Right up some people's alley,

23:36

that type of commentary. I liked

23:39

it. I was like, oh, that's

23:41

a nice little, you know. I

23:43

feel like I might also use

23:45

that in the future. It's a

23:47

nice little piece of commentary. When

23:50

you want to say like this

23:52

guy, you know, I like him,

23:54

it'll come around. This guy plays

23:56

like a, this other guy plays

23:58

like a jackass, you can, you

24:01

can be real. kind by saying

24:03

it that way. The other thing

24:05

that we have talked about before

24:07

we kind of catch up with

24:09

what the extra raptors are doing

24:12

around the NBA because I've seen

24:14

every podcast has touched on this

24:16

so why why don't we? What

24:18

type of trade are you looking

24:20

for? The raptors have been selling

24:23

off pieces for some time because

24:25

they've been one in position to

24:27

have pieces to sell off. There's

24:29

a very talented team that lost

24:31

to those bulls, God damn it.

24:34

And so I mean, Davion, they

24:36

sold off after Jaylin, they traded

24:38

because they were adaptable and had

24:40

space. They don't have a ton

24:42

of space. If they win the

24:45

first overall pick, they'll be headed

24:47

into the luxury tax for this

24:49

upcoming season. There's a bunch of

24:51

stuff. Is this a team that

24:53

needs to sell high? Or is

24:56

this a team that needs to...

24:58

consolidate is this a team what

25:00

kind of trade you can't build

25:02

the package out right now but

25:04

what kind of trade are you

25:07

hoping to get you're I think

25:09

in an ideal world you're hoping

25:11

to package the the Knicks guys

25:13

in order to get like a

25:15

star maybe like a couple like

25:17

auxiliary pieces attached to that in

25:20

an ideal world did you just

25:22

quickly as I mentioned famed Grizzlies

25:24

fan Hoopgoose said that he was

25:26

sick of John Moran and wanted

25:28

to trade him for a manual

25:31

quickly in our generic and that's

25:33

from the Grizzlies fan base. I

25:35

would shed absolute tears if we

25:37

got John Moran in in this

25:39

city but like a trade like

25:42

that where you have a star

25:44

that probably this is probably like

25:46

the lowest his value has probably

25:48

been in in this career probably

25:50

honestly. Who John Moran? genre and

25:53

yeah you think it's lower now

25:55

than when it but he was

25:57

still playing he was still he

25:59

was so good They blamed Dylan

26:01

Brooks. That's how well he was

26:04

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26:06

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26:08

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a guy like John Morant. So

27:23

that, an ideal world would be

27:25

like a really, really good fit

27:27

across the board. And you have,

27:29

now you have Scotty Ingram, Jo,

27:31

and you're a team looking to

27:34

win 50 plus games. You're really

27:36

looking to compete now, right? Now

27:38

the Raptors, like, have dipped their

27:40

toe in trying to win. But

27:42

they've also are paying a salary

27:45

of a team looking to content

27:47

to content. which is like, which

27:49

is kind of the dissidence here

27:51

with what they're doing. Like there's

27:53

clearly, there's clearly a trade that's

27:56

going to happen within the next

27:58

year, because there's no weather. in

28:00

the luxury tax for this team.

28:02

Messiah was asked about that and

28:04

he said that the organization was

28:07

comfortable like if it comes to

28:09

that, but I, there are probably

28:11

unspoken concessions that are attached to

28:13

that kind of stuff. I'll tell

28:15

you what, Jaw, Scotty, and Ingram

28:18

is a very funky three-man fulcrum

28:20

of a team like that is,

28:22

that's a. That is funkadelic. That

28:24

is Megat Brain 1970. That is

28:26

a that is a funky little

28:29

situation. When we talked about Darren

28:31

Fox, I believe we both when

28:33

he was being rumored before it

28:35

actually really popped off. It was

28:37

like a would you try and

28:39

package to get Darren Fox in

28:42

Toronto? I think we both said

28:44

no. Do you remember what he

28:46

said? I know I said no

28:48

for sure. a pack the package

28:50

that would it would cost but

28:53

i think no in general because

28:55

the raptors like weren't ready to

28:57

compete just just seeing how it

28:59

looks and also yeah Brandon Ingram

29:01

it's i don't know where i

29:04

am with these raptors yet because

29:06

i i selfishly want one proof

29:08

of concept before i choose a

29:10

path and i suspect that the

29:12

raptors do as well on the

29:15

side hobby they want proof of

29:17

concept they traded to get proof

29:19

of concept However, trade opportunities don't

29:21

come at all of the perfect

29:23

times. Sometimes you have to trade

29:26

before proof of concept is there.

29:28

Sometimes you have to trade while

29:30

proof of concept is proven, if

29:32

maybe you see down the line,

29:34

it's not going to work. You've

29:37

got to pivot when the defense

29:39

doesn't expect you to. And the

29:41

defense is 29 other teams who

29:43

are simultaneously building up their own

29:45

situation. I'm very interested to see

29:48

when the Raptorss. pull the trigger

29:50

on something because a trigger almost

29:52

assuredly will be pulled. I just

29:54

don't know what kind. because they

29:56

could go quite a few different

29:59

ways. We said when they trade

30:01

for Ingram, like, this team is

30:03

built to pivot. It's clearly what

30:05

they plan to do. Yeah, 100%.

30:07

It is tough because, like, you

30:10

still haven't seen Brad and Ingram

30:12

play, play with Scotting. So, like,

30:14

the skill sets they might need,

30:16

like, isn't really set and still,

30:18

like, throwing, for example, throwing on

30:20

the team, it's, would be... it

30:23

would it would definitely from like

30:25

a schematic standpoint challenge Darko to

30:27

the highest extent of like getting

30:29

all these guys the balls and

30:31

good the ball and managing who

30:34

is operating the offense obviously but

30:36

just at the size that they

30:38

paid and the I think the

30:40

quickly one is the tough one

30:42

where you like you you need

30:45

to make a decision or and

30:47

pivot quickly before that before that

30:49

becomes like a arbitross and it's

30:51

a whole burning in your in

30:53

your in your salary. I think

30:56

you probably, because it's, it's flat.

30:58

Yeah. And he's under team control.

31:00

Maybe, like, again, just happy to

31:02

disagree. Go ahead. This is what

31:04

the bull said about Patrick Williams.

31:07

Oh, you're a funny guy. You're

31:09

a funny guy. Emmanuel, that's the,

31:11

that is the rudest thing I've

31:13

heard. It's not, it's not the

31:15

same. We have to get Makai

31:18

on here to tell you like,

31:20

no, no, that is not the

31:22

same. I'll tell you what though,

31:24

if I'm ranking Darius Garland, Andrew

31:26

Nemhard, and Emmanuel quickly, IQs third,

31:29

it like, I just. I

31:32

don't think it could become an

31:34

albatross. It could, like if he

31:36

doesn't take any step, like it's

31:38

static all the way through. Then

31:40

you probably aren't comfortable with his

31:42

contract until like year four or

31:45

five, which is not a fun

31:47

place to be. That means like

31:49

two years of hand ringing, but

31:51

I think the RJ one is

31:53

the one that I think is

31:55

front of mine for everybody because

31:57

he comes off the books soon.

31:59

There is value there for the

32:02

team, for the franchise, but also

32:04

they've paid everybody and they have

32:06

to be a team now that

32:08

unless proof of concept is there

32:10

and they're like, oh damn, we're

32:12

good as hell. Like let's say

32:14

they bust out next year, the

32:16

first 30 games are on pace

32:19

for like 49 to 53 wins.

32:21

It's like, oh hell yeah. Then

32:23

the problem and RJ is a

32:25

major part of that. Then they

32:27

probably say luxury tax incoming, pay

32:29

the man. and he probably goes

32:31

north of what comfortable for most

32:33

people especially since RJ is not

32:36

perceived the way that you know

32:38

some what we would like him

32:40

to be perceived perhaps yeah I

32:42

he is the one who comes

32:44

front of mind because just the

32:46

the team control thing but it

32:48

could go anywhere because Emanuel quickly

32:50

certainly has more quote-unquote trade value

32:53

than RJ and it could end

32:55

up being that like you know

32:57

I It's all about what other

32:59

teams want. Yeah. If you want

33:01

to win a trade, really. Because

33:03

if it's, uh, if it's the

33:05

Rappers just saying, like, we need

33:08

this, this, this, and this, these

33:10

are the guys who can give

33:12

up. If you just lead with

33:14

that, I mean, you get fleeced,

33:16

usually. Unless it's like Moneyball. It

33:18

keeps showing up. I keep getting

33:20

YouTube clips of Moneyball scenes. I

33:22

was like, damn it. He's so

33:25

good. He's so good. He's so

33:27

good. He's so good. He's so

33:29

good. He's so good. He's so

33:31

good. He's so good. He's so

33:33

good. Give me a rain cold.

33:35

Geez, man. Have you seen Mark

33:37

Shapiro saying like everything associated with

33:39

the Cleveland Indians? None of it

33:42

is true. Yeah, I think a

33:44

lot of it was not true.

33:46

Like David Justice was like, they

33:48

didn't have to tell me to

33:50

be a leader. He was like,

33:52

I was 39. I knew what

33:54

it was. Talk about pants for

33:56

some soda pop or whatever. Yeah,

33:59

and then there's just like everybody

34:01

was like no, that's not true

34:03

I think the manager Art Hal

34:05

was like they made me an

34:07

ass I wasn't an asshole, I

34:09

knew what it was, but yeah.

34:11

Like he didn't understand the value

34:13

of a walk? Yeah. You know

34:16

he was probably saying like this

34:18

avant-garde bullshit. Yeah, I would have

34:20

lost, I would have lost it

34:22

to you. When they said the

34:24

chase, they would, um, they would

34:26

get Jason John being in the

34:28

aggregates. I would have lost it.

34:30

I it's so funny what was

34:33

that what was the one they're

34:35

like he walks into a room

34:37

and is his his junk has

34:39

been there for like two minutes

34:41

already in there like what are

34:43

we talking about right now man

34:45

on that is unbelievable scoutsmanship that's

34:47

like you just it's just guys

34:50

in a room saying the most

34:52

unhinged unintelligible things okay We've had

34:54

the team building conversation, of which

34:56

we will dive more thoroughly into

34:58

as the Raptors obviously the league

35:00

takes form. Teams fall out, stories

35:02

come out of players planning to

35:04

hit free agency, players becoming available.

35:07

All of this is we're taking

35:09

a walk in the park and

35:11

seeing what's developed. The leaves are

35:13

just beginning to turn. In that

35:15

turn though, we have Raptors former

35:17

scattered all around the NBA and

35:19

especially the Eastern Conference. you have

35:22

past gelsiacum O.G.ananobi, Dennis Shruder, Davion

35:24

Mitchell. Who else am I missing?

35:26

Is there another big, I guess,

35:28

Kauai's in this, do you ignore

35:30

this in this? Are there, like,

35:32

obviously we'll start with the Raptors

35:34

stuff, but as far as like

35:36

the playoffs overall, has anything enthralled

35:39

you so far? Enthral, that's one

35:41

of my favorite, favorite words, honestly.

35:45

I think the most fun stuff

35:47

is like how good the basis

35:49

actually are. Like I expected them

35:51

to win the series, but it

35:53

hasn't been competitive at all through

35:55

two games. Although like Doc Rivers

35:57

is like, I'm very. confident, but

35:59

I'm not confident. I think we

36:02

can take deserves. I'm not confident

36:04

at all heading, ending forward to

36:06

them. And Pascal is like, is

36:08

aging super well, very, very well.

36:10

And it's like living up to

36:12

his contract. He might even make

36:14

all NBA this year, which is

36:17

super, super cool. I think just

36:19

looking at like all the situations

36:21

and looking at OG playing well.

36:23

Fred leading a 50-50 win team

36:25

is just like they had all

36:27

this talents. They both like squandered

36:29

the opportunity that they had when

36:31

they guys were together and then

36:34

they also squandered the opportunity to

36:36

trade them away. So it just

36:38

is like a massive cluster fuck

36:40

of like 2000 like what 2022

36:42

to 2023 of just like we're

36:44

not gonna do anything. We're not

36:46

gonna help these guys try to

36:48

win more games. We're not gonna

36:51

trade for anybody. We're gonna see

36:53

how it goes. but then we're

36:55

gonna also wait a year too

36:57

late before deciding to pivot. It's,

36:59

ah man, I think like the

37:01

really interesting thing, well actually what

37:03

I like seeing online and our

37:06

mutual friend is a huge, this

37:08

is the worst thing he does,

37:10

loves to be involved in the

37:12

discourse far too often. And any

37:14

time Pascal plays a good game

37:16

and people notice, everyone gets a

37:18

hmm. Oh, imagine if he was

37:20

a wrap! You know, like, I

37:23

just, and I really like Pascal,

37:25

I so enjoyed covering him, and

37:27

I guess I still get to

37:29

cover him, for the, the Pacers,

37:31

but he just, he's no longer,

37:33

like, you can't do the discourse

37:35

every year, like, hmm, I want,

37:37

hmm, if they had only, you

37:40

know, like, it's, and then it

37:42

also brings up, because like, like,

37:44

Pascal, a certain percentage of the

37:46

fan base was like, like, get

37:48

this guy out of the, Cats

37:50

and dogs dude. There's just people

37:52

don't mix just so that's always

37:54

fun to peer into from the

37:57

outside when in reality He's just

37:59

a player on another team you

38:01

can in basketball. Like we all

38:03

like players on other teams. Trey

38:05

has mistress teams. He watches and

38:07

don't don't ask me why but

38:09

for enjoyment apparently he turns on

38:12

Charlotte Hornets games. There's a best

38:14

show on television. Yeah. Eric Collins

38:16

is a national treasure. Maybe your

38:18

television which is to be. He's

38:20

so good, and he doesn't rely

38:22

on you know in his bag

38:24

like there were fries at the

38:26

bottom actually I'm sorry Mark I

38:29

don't like you know I like

38:31

Mark and Paul and Justine I

38:33

love the Jones family. Okay. I

38:35

don't mean the anyway Yeah Pascal

38:37

has been really fun O. G

38:39

had that crazy run of play

38:41

towards the end of the season

38:43

and oh gee when he's on

38:46

offensively actually he can make the

38:48

case that he's like the best

38:50

former raptor of the bunch you

38:52

know like he can be so

38:54

impactful it's just that the offense

38:56

doesn't always clip that high and

38:58

Pascal for his like as covering

39:01

him as a pace for this

39:03

year and especially extensively during this

39:05

playoff stretch is like he has

39:07

lifted his floor performance really really

39:09

high because he just the pace

39:11

asked him to do so much

39:13

for them and he just answers

39:15

the call repeatedly on both sides

39:18

before some of this is Rick

39:20

Carlisle the the team he's built

39:22

there helps paper over some of

39:24

Pascal's weakness and embellish some of

39:26

his strengths but I mean players

39:28

playing schemes all the time Pascal

39:30

looks great Davion Mitchell has also

39:32

been like unbelievable yeah he's hitting

39:35

us through it a really high

39:37

club and he's doing he's like

39:39

some of the stuff like the

39:41

point guard stuff where like he

39:43

was able to manage the ball

39:45

really well and play and play

39:47

within the flow of the offense

39:49

I associate a lot more of

39:52

that to like the style of

39:54

the offense that they're after and

39:56

the heat do some of that

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by the calves, 68 to 51.

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That isn't like news in particular

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because the calves are a tremendous

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basketball team. They're really good. What

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was that Baker was like. beat

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the Cavs or else, like it's

42:29

not interesting. And I was like,

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is this the bar? You have

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to beat a 64 win team.

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Oh yeah, because the Pacers haven't

42:37

beaten a healthy team. This series

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counts though. Damon's back, it counts.

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Well, they also like, if you,

42:43

if you believe people, Julius Randall

42:45

actually was a detriment to the

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Knicks. So they're facing the best

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Knicks. really establishes i don't know

42:51

why i'm doing this it's gonna

42:54

the games will be decided by

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the time people listen to this

42:58

who cares yeah raptors have been

43:00

doing well playing well but all

43:02

these guys especially like well Fred

43:04

okay let's touch on Fred's definitely

43:06

the like the Fans are not

43:08

that happy with Fred like he

43:10

left with the bad taste in

43:12

the mouth all that kind of

43:14

stuff going both ways He was

43:16

like those guys turned on me

43:18

and then they were like you

43:21

played bad for too long and

43:23

I mean all the warts of

43:25

his game are just present all

43:27

the time He is such a

43:29

known quantity like He's going to

43:31

give you plus defense at the

43:33

guard spot. He's going to be

43:35

gritty. He's going to help you

43:37

win the turnover differential. He's going

43:39

to help you control. the ball

43:41

and put guys in their spots

43:43

and then he's gonna shoot 37%

43:45

for the four. And that last,

43:48

all those things are so good

43:50

and that last part is just

43:52

such a tough pill to swallow.

43:54

Like I hated, even though, yeah,

43:56

oh, Kahari was a plus 14.

43:58

He scored zero points. You know,

44:00

like, I like off-on-guard players but

44:02

he can't go that far and

44:04

Fred, he has to make some

44:06

shots and he could. We've seen

44:08

it, but I don't know. He's

44:10

I think he's in the the

44:13

one raptor that's probably in the

44:15

toughest spot because like Houston is

44:17

so like devoid of like creation

44:19

and like a lot of those

44:21

end of possessions like we used

44:23

to say when he was on

44:25

the Raptors were like he's shooting

44:27

end of shot clock shots like

44:29

his talent and skill says no

44:31

bearing taking because of the like

44:33

the construction of that team but

44:35

like Sangoon had a really good

44:37

game against the against the worst

44:40

and that can be attributed to

44:42

Fred being able to put them

44:44

in spots in spots their pick

44:46

and pretty much chain Sangoon's career

44:48

from going from like a guy

44:50

who's promising to an all star

44:52

level player. A lot of that

44:54

happens because you have a guy

44:56

that can can play make put

44:58

guys in really good positions and

45:00

like he always makes the right

45:02

choice when it comes to passing

45:04

the ball. I think the shooting

45:07

stuff is like he's so good

45:09

the other stuff that you kind

45:11

of have to stomach him going

45:13

three for 14 from three. They

45:15

they He shot four of 19

45:17

in game one by the way.

45:19

That's insane. 10 points on 19

45:21

shots is that is almost criminal.

45:23

It's not criminal, but it's like

45:25

it's nearly criminal. Yeah, two of

45:27

13 from downtown. But he plays

45:29

40 minutes and he was a

45:31

minus three. He had outside of

45:34

Stephen Adams. He had the best

45:36

plus minus on the team. And

45:38

it's because you look at the

45:40

roster and you ask like, do

45:42

you want Amman Thompson or Dylan

45:44

Brooks or Jaylyn Green or Tarason?

45:46

starting offense? No! And then you

45:48

look and it's just Fred Van

45:50

Bleet, which makes me really interested

45:52

for a while. what the rest

45:54

of this series looks like, because

45:56

they, Houston, they're good enough to

45:58

steal some. That defense is no

46:01

joke. And if they get out

46:03

running and if they get the

46:05

three point shots going, they can

46:07

topple the Warriors for a few

46:09

games at least. But what they

46:11

do with Fred in the off

46:13

season, I really, because he is,

46:15

there are some players who. are

46:17

always at risk of being upgraded

46:19

upon because they're not so good,

46:21

but they're good enough that it's

46:23

not that easy to upgrade. And

46:26

that seems like Fred, and he's

46:28

getting paid extremely well for that.

46:30

He always wins at the end.

46:32

I think he, I look at

46:34

that situation similar to Al Horford

46:36

with the Celtics when those guys

46:38

were really young, where it's he's

46:40

a guy that you probably want.

46:42

you probably want a better player

46:44

in that in that slot maybe

46:46

even that salary but he's so

46:48

like tenable like with with the

46:50

team and it's a guy like

46:53

whose game is going to grow

46:55

as those other guys get a

46:57

lot better and like you all

46:59

stayed for four or five more

47:01

years after they they've signed him

47:03

they traded him as well right

47:05

like he went he went he

47:07

went to Philly then he went

47:09

to the okay C and okay

47:11

it was like we have nothing

47:13

for him and then he went

47:15

back to the Celtics It's like

47:17

he and Nick Batoom just keep

47:20

getting like teams are like no

47:22

no no no but then they're

47:24

good. Yeah the NBA is crazy

47:26

place. So I see him like

47:28

I could see him aging into

47:30

that situation where like he's the

47:32

starting guard for maybe another couple

47:34

years. Ideally they make a star

47:36

a star trade and maybe I'm

47:38

in Thompson also just takes that

47:40

leap of taking the ball out

47:42

of his hands and he could

47:44

be your bench guard at 33

47:47

34 years old and be very

47:49

good at it. I love that

47:51

because his stat line with the

47:53

rockets like sorted on basketball reference

47:55

will probably look similar to like

47:57

those early like those 2002 point

47:59

cards. You know what I mean?

48:01

If you look at the statute

48:03

like, this guy took 13 shots

48:05

a game and he shot horribly

48:07

from the floor and he made

48:09

one all-star game and what the

48:11

hell am I looking at here?

48:14

And Fred is singular in that

48:16

regard. There's no other guard in

48:18

the NBA, one like him and

48:20

of the guards who get paid

48:22

like him. Nobody comes close to

48:24

that statistical profile. Like there's a

48:26

bunch of guards who sit around

48:28

like who score pretty well who

48:30

are on defense who are okay

48:32

at playmaking. There's like a glut

48:34

of like 11 of them and

48:36

Fred is just this other thing.

48:39

He's just this other thing. He's

48:41

like like his contract situation even

48:43

is like a once in a

48:45

lifetime situation where he just like.

48:47

happen to be a free agent

48:49

at the right time. He got

48:51

to give the big F you

48:53

to the other half. And I

48:55

didn't think Houston was gonna be

48:57

that good this quickly and like

48:59

everything worked out because a guy

49:01

like him is super impactful. He

49:03

helps teams win win minutes and

49:06

like I think there I think

49:08

when people listen to us there

49:10

I think Houston has one and

49:12

it's it's one one one. It

49:14

wouldn't surprise me if they won

49:16

tonight. Yeah, yeah, but they play

49:18

in about 40 minutes. We've talked

49:20

enough basketball. Stay tuned with us.

49:22

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49:39

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49:41

You don't have to step onto

49:43

YouTube. Trey, any parting shots before

49:45

we get out here. Nothing really.

49:47

I can't wait for another little

49:49

deep dive for it with some

49:51

of our prospects and digging into

49:53

some of this because there is

49:55

the doomsday scenario where we're at

49:57

like nine or 10. But like

50:00

I have. I have to stomach

50:02

that reality. So, I, dude, I. Make

50:04

the leap. Like, come on, man. Like,

50:06

the league, the league should be

50:08

looking, because they, actually,

50:10

as a media member, I'm

50:12

not going to forward the idea

50:15

that it's rigged. It's, it's

50:17

not rigged, but let's

50:19

pretend that it is.

50:22

Let's pretend we're pretending

50:24

everybody, that there's like

50:26

some sort of finagling

50:28

that goes on. You know, the rappers

50:30

are a pretty good spot for a

50:32

high pick to land. Yep. You can

50:34

get that high pick, you know, coverage

50:37

presumably in the playoffs next year, at

50:39

least in playing games. They can play

50:41

on a team that is built to

50:43

compete for a little while. It's, you

50:46

know, besides the market outside of

50:48

America. Who wants to work in

50:50

America right now? Huh? We got

50:52

the international market. The rappers

50:54

might be the biggest thing since

50:57

a slice spread because they're not...

50:59

they're not American we have many

51:01

advantages why not send you know

51:04

a tremendous player up here winning the

51:06

library would be like the second or

51:08

third best day as a raptor fan

51:11

ever no it's definitely would be second

51:13

there was running the streets I can't

51:15

remember who said it but there was

51:17

a stream I was doing one of

51:19

my Saturday streams and a commenter and

51:22

I think they said they would

51:24

rather get the number one pick than

51:26

a championship And I was like, whoa,

51:28

which I don't agree with at all.

51:31

But getting the number one pick

51:33

is a huge deal. Yeah. And I know

51:35

there are, you can make your criticisms

51:37

of Cooper flag, but I

51:39

think he is the number

51:41

one prospect and he is, damn,

51:44

he's good at basketball.

51:46

Yeah. Before we leave, did you

51:48

have like a reaction when

51:50

the raptures like won the

51:52

lotto that Andrea Bardoni year?

51:54

Did you feel like we're

51:56

saved? I didn't know. Like,

51:58

I didn't know until... after

52:00

it happened like it was 2006.

52:02

So I'm like 10 years old

52:05

and I told you yeah I

52:07

told you and Kyle like yeah

52:09

he didn't have much impact on

52:12

the culture of Sturgis Saskatchewan. You

52:14

know like we like we didn't

52:16

know what we didn't know what

52:19

death row records was up to

52:21

we didn't know what did he

52:23

was up to we didn't know

52:26

anything. And Raptors. news was like

52:28

few and far between. It was

52:30

whatever I caught on Sports Center

52:32

and I was like, oh, okay,

52:35

cool. And then they drafted Barniani

52:37

and I was like, odd. We'll

52:39

see how this goes. As a

52:42

kid, I used to watch college

52:44

basketball a ton. How old? How

52:46

old? I want to say from

52:49

like eight to like 1516. I

52:51

used to watch. Yeah. You are

52:53

an old soul. Sitting on the

52:56

couch watching the boys play at

52:58

8 is like something else. Sean,

53:00

Sean, Sean May, Raymond Felton, that

53:03

was one of the best times

53:05

in my life. Hell yeah, dude.

53:07

I was so sure they're gonna

53:10

draft Lamarckus Aldrich. Even at that

53:12

age, I'm like, the Raptors did

53:14

it. Look at this guy. Where

53:17

did Aldridge go to school? Texas.

53:19

Texas. Texas. Wait, do you have

53:21

a stats right now? What were

53:24

Lamarckis stats? In in college. I

53:26

want to see if he was

53:28

like a legendary bucket getter in

53:30

college like was he a big-time

53:33

post bag guy? I mean he

53:35

must have been. Yeah, he was

53:37

he was like the quintessential for

53:40

four player and like at that

53:42

age and that like time like

53:44

just play Chris Bosch at the

53:47

three. It'll be fun. Let's go.

53:49

Yes, dude. All right. He average

53:51

15 9 3.4 stocks Wow, because

53:54

he's pretty he's not a he's

53:56

not quick ever well Marcus was

53:58

shooting. Yeah, well Mark Saldor is

54:01

good for you. Yeah, he's not

54:03

a fast human being relative to

54:05

the rest of everybody. Okay, that's

54:08

enough podcasting feels like that was

54:10

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54:12

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