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Remus Lupin, part 5.

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May I have your attention, please?

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Will the real weird sisters,

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please, please, will the real

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weird sisters, please stand up?

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We're gonna have a problem

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here. Were the weird sisters,

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were the real weird sisters,

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all you all the weird

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sisters, are fine, but not

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the victors, will the real

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weird sisters, please stand up,

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please stand up? Hi

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and welcome to The Real Weird

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Sisters. I'm Martha. And I'm Alice.

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And today we're here to,

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I believe, properly eulogize Lupin

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and talk about the remainder of

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his arc in the seventh book.

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Yes, now there have been times

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when we've spoken too soon about

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that. Such as last week, for instance.

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But I do agree. I think that

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this will be the week when we

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properly eulogize. I believe

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so. I think we've got, I mean, it's

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a few different things to talk about here,

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but I think we're going to get there to

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the end by the end of this. So, spoiler

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alert, by the end of this

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episode. There will be several dead

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bodies, including Dennis Kreevee. Lying, their

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tiny bodies lying side by side

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in the Great Hall. Yeah, exactly.

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All right, well, let's dive in.

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Where we left off last with

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Lupin was after his confrontation with

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Harry, when Harry tore loop in

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a new one, and loopin kind

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of stormed out. And we talked

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a little bit about how Hermione

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and Rod kind of scold Harry

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for it, but Harry sort of

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stands. by what he says. He

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feels bad about calling Loopon a

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coward, but that's about it. So

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that's gonna be kind of the, like,

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kind of feeling we're left with. Yeah,

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and I think it, like we talked

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about last time, it is interesting how

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Hermione and Ron have like a kind

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of a different take on the

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situation than Harry does, and there's

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so many different factors that go

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into that. But I do think

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that Harry. even though he doesn't

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necessarily regret what he did, I

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think he's left with a lingering,

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like just feeling of unease about

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the way he's left things with

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Lupin. Right, and it turns out

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kind of interesting, there's a couple

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different mentions of Harry thinking about

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Lupin along the journey, and it's interesting

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that kind of what seems to have

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left Harry, one of the things he's

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left with that he didn't really like

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talk about or think about. right after

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lupin was there was that basically

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what lupin said before harry ripped

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into him which is like

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basically warning him about how difficult

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the journey is going to be

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so yeah there's twice that he

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thinks about the fact that lupin

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had said or lupin had been

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right about magic they had never

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encountered or imagined so that's

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the first time he thinks of it

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is after the ministry and

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after they've had the like the

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locket and stuff is there's several

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things that have happened that

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they're like not that they

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weren't really prepared for. And

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I just think Harry is

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also just anticipating like he's

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realizing how much he doesn't

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know. Yeah, exactly. So that's

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part of it too. But

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yeah, then the second time

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when he mentions it is

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after the Bethilda's house thing

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and thinking about the snake

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transforming into Bethilda and all

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of that and then Lupin

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says, or sorry, Harry says,

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there'd be magic, we'd never

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imagined. So yeah, that that makes total

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sense why he's bringing that up then. Yeah,

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and I think it's just interesting that Harry,

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that it's twice. I mean, it kind of,

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it almost feels like a little bit of

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a silly thing on the author's part to

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have this kind of same phrasing twice, but

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then I thought about it more. I mean,

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maybe I'm author explaining here, but I think

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it's kind of realistic that, you

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know, Harry would be sort of dwelling on

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something that Lupin said, and it's the fact

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that... there would be magic they'd

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never thought of before or never

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imagined because I mean it kind

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of relates again to his resentment

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and frustration with Dumbledore. Yeah

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and I also think like it's I

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feel like I do this and especially

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I did this as a kid like

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when I would hear an adult say

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something or someone say something that I

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hadn't really thought of before it would

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kind of like blow my mind and

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then I would like think of like

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ruminate on that and I feel like

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that's what's happening here like Harry's like

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lupin was right. Yeah well and I

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think it's also like lupin was right

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and then it's like but I kind of

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you know didn't consider it in that

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moment and like he's I think thinking

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about lupin being right he's like well

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what else was lupin right about should we

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have brought him with us and yeah yeah

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yeah so then we're gonna switch to Ron's

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return to the trio and of course

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one of Ron's biggest goals as he

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returns is to get the radio working

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so that we can listen to Potter

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Watch. We need a pick me up

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so let's get the radio on. I

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mean this is what our this is

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how our listeners feel every time they

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manage to tune into an episode it

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feels like they've scored the password to

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Potter Watch. Am I right listeners? I

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let us know, listeners, if she's

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right, not if she's wrong.

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But yeah, loopin is in

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this Potter Watch show because

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it's part of the popular

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feature, Pals of Potter.

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We've got Romulus getting

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introduced and Ron starts

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to explain that it's

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that it's loopin and

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they're like, yes, we

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know, thank you, Ron,

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thank you, Ron. Right,

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so Lupin is very

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firm in his guest

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spot on Potter Watch.

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I'm talking about, well,

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Lisa, Romulus, do you

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maintain as you have every

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time you... appeared on our

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program that Harry Potter is still

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alive. Oh, I do. There is no doubt

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at all in my mind that

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his death would be proclaimed as

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widely as possible by the death

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eaters if it had happened. Okay,

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thank you, Lupin. Oh, Lupin's a

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true believer. Yeah, the boy who

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lived remains a symbol of everything

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for which we are fighting, the

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triumph of good, the power of

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innocence, the need to keep resisting.

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Um, thank you for spelling that

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out for us, Lupin. Yeah, a

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mixture of gratitude and shame whaled

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up in Harry. Had Lupin forgiven

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him then for the terrible things

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he had said when they had

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last met. Oh, so now Harry

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does think they're terrible. Yeah. And

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what would you say to Harry if

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you knew he was listening, Romulus? Hmm.

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I'd tell him we're all with him

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and spirit. and I'd tell him to

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follow his instincts which are

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good and nearly always right. And

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I'd tell him that his mother

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was there for me at a

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time when no one else was.

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I like how this is causing

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her mind his eyes to fill

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with tear. Yeah, it's a little

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corny but I mean cut her

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a break I guess they've not

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had much of anything to be

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happy about lately. She says nearly

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always right? How could it be

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nearly always? And Harry said, like

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this. Yeah, so then Ron, oh,

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didn't I tell you? Bill told

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me Lupin's living with

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talks again, and apparently

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she's getting pretty big.

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A winky face. Well, she's

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pregnant, so that's about that

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work. I mean, that is

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how that works, Ron. It's

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been a good chunk of

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time now, so. Right. Yeah, so

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that's about all we get. I

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mean, I guess we have that.

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Lupin is the one who

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announces that xenophilius has been

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imprisoned. And Lupin also is

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for some reason he's like the

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brain. making news journalists. Yeah, I'm

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like, is he getting this much?

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I think maybe he's getting all

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his news from living amongst the

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werewolves. Well, he's living with talks

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again. Oh, right, right. I guess

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Tonks is a big gossip. Yeah.

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She's got nothing else to do.

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Yeah. So he tells the story

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about how Rubai Asek. All three

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of them gasped. I'm so nearly

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missed. Nearly. How could they nearly

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miss the rest of the sentence?

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Oh, but yeah, that he... How

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could they nearly miss the sentence?

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Hagred was rumored to have hosted

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a support Harry Potter party in

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his house, but now on the

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run with Gropp. That seems worth

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having to go on the run for.

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Right. And that could probably have

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no, like, didn't even try to

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cover up what it was either.

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Like, support Harry Potter. Oh, those

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of us who support Harry. But

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we could gather for some rock

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cakes. Like, you couldn't have,

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like, pretended it was a

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car of magical creature study

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group or something. That would

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have been pretty unrealistic. That there

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would be a bunch of people

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going to that? Yeah, right. I

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suppose it helps, but escaping

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from death eaters, if you've

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got a 16-foot-high half-brother, it

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would tend to give you

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an edge. Agreed, loop, and

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gravely. Okay, loopin. Why does

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that have to be grave?

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I don't know. Just feel

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like loopin has no sense

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of humor. Gloopin takes

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things awfully seriously. Well, knowing

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that that was his best

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friend. Yeah, exactly. Serious was

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his best friend, so he has to

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take things very seriously. Yeah. May I

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just add that while we here

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at Potter Watch applaud Hagred

9:51

Spirit, we would urge even

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the most devoted of Harry's

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supporters against following Hagred's league,

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support Harry Potter. of parties

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in the present climate.

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Yeah, you think? I don't

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think they needed to spell

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that out for listeners. Well,

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I mean, maybe they did.

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It's kind of one of

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those, like, CYA moments. Right.

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Don't try this at home.

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Right. Yeah. So that's about

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all we get from loopin.

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Because then we switched to hearing

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from rodent. Oh good. Yeah. But

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yeah, that's kind of a happy

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moment from lupin and it

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kind of is a turning point

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because Harry's starting to realize that

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he was not, he doesn't need

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to feel too bad about what he said

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to lupin. Yeah, and I think

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like it is great to

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see. I mean... It's a

10:48

little heavy-handed, but I think

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that we've seen that Lupin

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clearly has made his decision

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and he's come around and

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we'll see him, you know, feeling

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happy soon, but as well. But

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this is the first time that

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we're seeing, like you said, that

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Harry kind of did the right

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thing when he chastised Lupin.

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Yeah, exactly. So... Next

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time we're going to see

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Lupin is another happy moment,

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that it's indeed another. It

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is I, Remus John Lupin.

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Oh, that's always a happy

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moment. Yeah. Harry experienced a thrill

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of fear. I am a werewolf,

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married to an infidora talks, and

11:29

you, the secret keeper of shell

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cottage, told me the address, and

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bade me come in an emergency.

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Okay, loopin. A, thank you for

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answering all the questions no one

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asked. And B, did you have

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to say bade? It's loopin. He's

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bringing back bade. Yeah, I mean

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it's lupid. Like I said, I

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bet lupid uses that word way

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more often than any other person

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in the world. Yeah, I don't know

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that I've ever heard anyone say that

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in real life. Especially, bade me come.

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Yeah. I guess. That's the right way

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to say that. Like bid, yes,

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but I don't feel I normally

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hear that in the past tense.

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No. A bid is not very

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common either, like, I bid you,

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but it is more common than

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bade. Well, thank you, Lupin,

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for reminding us that that

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word does exist. No kidding.

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I like, also Bill here. Lupin.

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Yes, thank you for... Lupin, Bill

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muttered. Yeah, we got it. How

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do you think he knew that

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that was Lupin? I don't know.

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It's very, he's very perceptive. Bill

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is so cool that he can

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really pick up on things that

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others don't. I think that's what

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it is, yeah, exactly.

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Lupin. Yes, oh, okay. So

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then yeah. Oh, I didn't

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get that from when he

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said him. All of that

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stuff. Right. So Lupin falls

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over the threshold. He was

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white-faced, wrapped up in a

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traveling cloak, his graying hair

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wind swept. And then he

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announces that they've had their

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boy. Hermione shrieked. She's like,

13:08

in shock, Tonks has had

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the baby. Yeah, keep up

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here, Hermione. And Ron, blow

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me a baby! You can tell

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these kids have never, like...

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Had somebody

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like known anybody

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who's had a

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baby, right? Well,

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remiss is everything

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okay? So he

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strides around

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the table to

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hug Harry You'll

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be godfather

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Harry me

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me Blimy.

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Who the heck is

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Dora? Don't call

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her Dora. What

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if Harry said

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that? thought you

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were married to talks.

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Yeah, so Bill gets

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wide. He's like Dora,

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aka Nymphodora, who prefers

14:10

to go by her

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surname only. So then,

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yeah, he makes a

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toast to Teddy Remus

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Lupin. I'm a great

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wizard of the making

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and flu. Oh, does he look

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like? Flur has always been

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pretty preoccupied with looks. Oh,

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does he look like? I

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think he looks like Dora,

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but she thinks he's like

14:38

me. Who is Dora? I'm

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still really confused. She prefers

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to go by her surname,

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surname only, Lupin. Well, I

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guess. I'm going to surbise

14:50

that whoever Nora is, her

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father's name is Ted, so

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who's the Ted that we

14:57

know of the series? I guess

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Ted talks, huh? Yeah, so

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think about the... Think about

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the surname only. Yeah, so...

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Then he says that his

15:07

hair looked black when he

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was born, but I swear

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it turns ginger in the

15:14

hours since. Probably be blonde

15:16

by the time I get

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back. Andromeda says Tox's hair

15:20

started changing color the day

15:22

that she was born. No, go

15:24

on then, just one more. So,

15:26

Lupin, this is the day Teddy

15:28

was born? Yeah. I'm like, does

15:31

Lupin... Maybe want to go

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be with his family. Well, he

15:35

does start to be a pattern.

15:37

I can't stay long. I must

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get back He says okay. Yeah,

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I guess I guess they can't

15:44

really deliver news Any way else.

15:46

I mean patronuses still right or

15:48

those not safe anymore either? Um

15:50

I'm not sure I I don't think

15:52

those are monitored anyway. I don't know

15:55

how they would do that. Yeah, they

15:57

seem to use them for most

15:59

I mean I think they're still using it.

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I guess Lupin just wanted to

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deliver the news in person. Yeah, I

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think so. Yeah, it also cracks me

16:08

up that he didn't even know who

16:10

was going to be there when he

16:12

got there. Yeah. But he just looked

16:14

around the table to check who's there

16:16

and he's like, oh, Harry's there too,

16:18

I guess. Perfect. Perfect, because I need

16:20

to ask him to be godfather. Yeah,

16:22

I mean we're we're being silly but

16:24

I will say it is very nice

16:26

to see that Lupin is happy like

16:28

we don't get a lot of moments

16:30

of this where Lupin is truly like

16:32

actually filled with joy. Yeah, that's true.

16:34

And especially like later in

16:37

the series. Well, yeah, that's

16:39

true. Harry does notice that

16:41

Lupin looked years younger than

16:43

Harry had ever seen him.

16:45

So that's nice. He seems

16:48

genuinely happy about this. He's

16:50

not like the way that he

16:52

was when he was talking about

16:54

that folks is going to have

16:57

a baby. Right. Yeah, he definitely

16:59

seems to have worked through some

17:01

of his demons here to where

17:04

he's actually able to enjoy life

17:06

and not feel burdened by the

17:09

guilt of being a werewolf. Right,

17:11

he's like actually celebrating this. Yeah,

17:13

so we're all very happy for him

17:15

about that. Yes, definitely. Of course,

17:18

we have a moment of he

17:20

hugged the women and grasped hands

17:22

with the men. Couldn't possibly hug

17:24

the men. Well, yeah, I would

17:26

agree with that for sure. He

17:28

did hug Harry earlier, but I

17:31

don't think he hugs him a

17:33

second time. Well, I hope they

17:35

grasped hands first or, you know,

17:37

that would be weird. Right, I

17:39

mean men don't hug, that'd be

17:42

very strange. Exactly. So yeah, I

17:44

think, like I said, we're giving

17:46

a lot of making this, making

17:48

fun of loopin a lot in

17:50

this scene, but it is a very

17:53

happy moment and it's nice to have

17:55

one last happy moment for loopin. Yeah,

17:57

I mean, it's very, it is, it

17:59

is. It's also tragic when you

18:01

know what's going to happen. It's

18:03

very sad too because we know

18:05

that, like, I'm glad for him

18:07

that he got to have this joy in

18:10

his life, but it's so short-lived.

18:12

Poor Lupin, like, he really did

18:14

suffer a lot in his life

18:16

and he really deserved more than

18:18

just this one moment, but I

18:20

mean, and then also, like, it's

18:22

that tragedy of when he finally

18:24

got what he wanted, then he

18:27

only had like... a month left

18:29

of his life. Right. Yeah.

18:31

Or a couple months. Yeah,

18:33

I've had a sad and

18:35

tragic, but that's life, isn't

18:37

it? That's life. That's especially

18:39

literature. Yeah, exactly. So I

18:42

mean, I didn't say that

18:44

accurately. There are going to

18:46

be a couple more happy-ish moments,

18:49

but it's kind of leading up

18:51

to the end. Right. So we're

18:53

gonna see Lupin at the Battle

18:55

of Hogwarts before it begins. He's

18:58

one of the members of the

19:00

order who shows up, of course,

19:02

in the room of requirement. And

19:04

like I said, there is a happy

19:07

moment where Flur tries to break the

19:09

tension because Percy shows up and it's

19:11

really awkward and she's just like, it's

19:13

silent. She just turns to Lupin and

19:16

goes, how ease little Teddy! And I

19:18

said this is a happy moment because

19:20

we do get to see. a picture

19:23

of Teddy grasping tufts

19:25

of blue hair in his hands,

19:27

or turquoise hair, waving fat

19:29

fists at the camera. So

19:31

he's, it's nice that Lupin's

19:33

happy to share this picture with

19:36

everybody I guess. Yeah, I do

19:38

have to say like as silly

19:40

as the like metamorph magus

19:42

thing is and like the

19:44

fact that Teddy's got blue

19:46

hair, it's pretty, it is

19:48

pretty adorable to picture. I

19:51

don't know, like a little two-month-old

19:53

with blue hair. Yeah,

19:55

it's pretty adorable, great.

19:57

But also just like...

20:00

It's fun world building to picture

20:02

just like this happening in general.

20:04

Yeah, so I kind of I

20:07

kind of do enjoy it. Yeah,

20:09

same. So yeah, Tonks is

20:11

not at the Battle of

20:13

Hogwarts yet. Lupin's under the

20:16

impression that she'll be staying

20:18

with Andromeda and Teddy. Oh,

20:20

Lupin, do you even know,

20:23

Dora? Right. Exactly. I think

20:25

that was wishful thinking from

20:27

Lupin. So. Some of the stuff with

20:30

Lupin at the battle is going to

20:32

be sort of, we don't get that

20:34

much, but we do have Lupin, is

20:36

sort of the peacemaker. He's the one

20:38

who suggests that Ginny can stay in

20:40

the room of requirement during

20:43

the battle, but won't be in

20:45

the middle of the fighting, because

20:47

Ginny's trying to fight with Molly

20:49

about it. Ginny had been

20:52

attempting undercover of the reconciliation

20:54

to sneak upstairs, too. Oh,

20:56

so Lupin's just playing his usual role

20:58

of mediator. Yeah, I mean, again, uh,

21:00

again, Lupin thinks Ginny's gonna stay in

21:03

the room of requirement the whole time,

21:05

the way he thinks Tonks is gonna

21:07

stay at home with her parents the

21:09

whole time. Right, well, at once Tonks

21:11

shows up, he thinks that Tonks is

21:13

gonna stay in the room of requirement

21:16

with Ginny as well. Right. Yeah.

21:18

So then the men start formulating

21:20

a battle plan and well that

21:22

is the men's job. Right well

21:24

they've all grasped hands at this

21:26

point so what are they got

21:28

what else are they gonna do?

21:30

Hug? Clap each other on the

21:32

back. Right right so Arthur or sorry

21:34

Kingsley announces that Lupin Arthur

21:36

and himself will all be

21:39

taking groups onto the grounds

21:41

so that's gonna be Lupin's job

21:43

and we're not really gonna see.

21:45

too much of him carrying out

21:47

this job. Yeah. So next we're gonna

21:50

see, it's gonna be kind of

21:52

weird because we're gonna see loopin's

21:54

body, but then we're gonna have

21:56

more loopin' content after this. So

21:58

we are gonna see. before Harry

22:01

goes to fetch. Well, there's

22:04

a lot of this whole.

22:06

timeline gets a little bit confusing,

22:08

but this is before Harry gets

22:10

the memory from Stape, right after

22:12

Voldemort has like made the announcement

22:14

of like, you have one hour.

22:16

That's when Harry sees the bodies

22:18

of the dead lying in the

22:20

great hall. That includes not only

22:23

Fred, but also Remus and Tonks,

22:25

pale and still and peaceful

22:27

looking, apparently asleep beneath the

22:29

dark enchanted sleep ceiling. Oh, well,

22:31

they're just asleep. Oh, this

22:33

whole time I've thought they

22:35

died, but yeah, it sounds

22:37

like they were just sleeping.

22:39

I mean, it says they're

22:41

apparently asleep, so they're probably

22:43

entering a world which is

22:46

entirely their own. Yeah, foreign

22:48

dreams, they get to do

22:50

that, exactly. Well, I don't

22:52

know why this has been

22:54

overlooked before, but they're just

22:56

sleeping about Hedwig. Yeah, exactly. But

22:58

then it's a little bit confusing

23:00

because I don't really know how

23:02

Lupin gets quote-on-quote brought back from

23:05

the resurrection stone if he's just

23:07

asleep here. Right, that is confusing.

23:09

I don't know, that seems like

23:11

a world-building glitch. Yeah, I'm not

23:13

sure. But before we actually get

23:16

to that scene, we're going to

23:18

have the Snapes memories moments. So

23:20

not a whole lot of Lupin

23:22

content, because obviously Lupin's not the

23:24

focus of this, but surprisingly

23:27

there are... three main loop and

23:29

scenes in the state memories.

23:31

So first of all we're

23:33

gonna see loop and getting

23:35

sorted into griffin door and this

23:37

is just kind of serious

23:40

James and Lily remiss

23:42

all get sorted into griffin

23:44

door. Right. Don't forget, we

23:46

did get to see earlier,

23:48

see us, Nivalis! Yeah, yeah,

23:51

great, Bobin wasn't there for

23:53

that. Yeah, I know, I

23:55

know, I just wanted to

23:57

point that one out, right,

23:59

right. Then we see that Snape

24:01

is already kind of

24:03

speculating about Lupin. He's

24:06

like, there's something weird

24:08

about that Lupin. Where does

24:10

he keep going? He says

24:12

he's ill. Every month, the

24:14

full moon. So it's kind

24:17

of interesting. This is their

24:19

first year at Hogwarts. Yeah,

24:21

I think like, we always

24:23

kind of got the impression

24:25

that. The marauders definitely felt that nobody

24:27

picked up on what was going on,

24:29

but now we're kind of learning that

24:31

maybe they weren't quite so... subtle as

24:33

they thought they were. Well, okay, this

24:35

is not first year, this is a

24:37

few years, it's a few years. But

24:40

I mean, even, even so. I feel

24:42

like, I mean, I do think Lupin

24:44

is more perceptive than the average Hogwarts

24:46

student, but yes, I agree that the

24:48

marauders are not as sneaky as they

24:50

think they are. They definitely think that

24:52

they're super under the radar that nobody's

24:54

got a clue what's happening, right. But

24:57

then we see like, like, It's

24:59

typical teenagers that they think they

25:01

only think about their own perspective.

25:03

Right. So Lily says, she knows

25:05

Snape's theory, so I guess they've

25:07

talked about this, but she's just like,

25:10

I don't care, whatever you say. She's

25:12

like, I was there for him at

25:14

a time when no one else was,

25:16

so I will not betray his trust.

25:18

Yeah, if we got Lily's memories

25:21

here, we would probably be

25:23

seeing a whole other side

25:25

of Lupin at Hogwarts. Exactly.

25:27

Then, this is probably, I

25:30

think, the most interesting part

25:32

of Snape's memories. I always

25:34

find this a little bit

25:36

odd. That, so we know that when

25:38

Lupin was, sorry, we know that when

25:41

George's ear got blosted off, it

25:43

was from Snape, and it was

25:45

because he was using Septim

25:48

Semper. Snape was aiming

25:50

for a death eater and

25:52

was trying to protect Lupin.

25:54

Well, Lupin was there for

25:56

Snep at a time when

25:58

no one else was. likes

26:00

nor dislikes. He's like, now I,

26:02

this is why I neither like

26:04

nor dislikes Severus. Yeah, but like

26:06

it's just, I mean, I could

26:08

see if he was trying to

26:11

protect the hairy that, like,

26:13

which Lupin was, or Snape

26:15

doesn't know that it's hairy

26:17

or not the real hairy. Right.

26:19

I'm not sure. I feel like

26:21

maybe Snape. I think like, I think

26:24

it would not be a leap to

26:26

think that. in order to protect Harry,

26:28

or I mean, Snape really does need

26:30

to protect everybody who would protect her.

26:32

You know what I mean? Yeah, that's

26:35

true. But I do also feel like

26:37

we didn't see a lot of evidence

26:39

from Snape that that's how he felt

26:41

about the situation. I know, that's what's

26:44

so weird is like, I guess, maybe

26:46

since we, you could argue that since

26:48

Dumbledore's death, he started to realize like...

26:50

or he has more onus on him

26:53

to do this now too so

26:55

it's you know it's like yeah

26:57

he's he's actually become a kinder

26:59

person or he's more watching

27:01

out he's like I gotta actually

27:04

be like a true order member

27:06

yeah now that now that don't

27:08

like the one person who knows

27:11

my true story is gone so

27:13

I have to really step up to

27:15

the plate now I guess I don't

27:17

know yeah I'm not I mean,

27:19

it is a redemptive moment for

27:21

snape, but not totally sure that

27:23

it's like consistent. Yeah, that's how

27:26

I feel too, because, like, especially

27:28

because it's loopin, like, I mean,

27:30

I guess that loopin was never,

27:32

like, cruel to snape the way that,

27:34

serious, what, I mean? But Snape

27:36

has not shown a lot

27:38

of evidence that he sees

27:40

any kind of difference, but

27:42

he's like, I see no difference.

27:44

Yeah, exactly. Well, he really despised

27:47

Lupin is kind of how

27:49

I felt. Like, I mean,

27:51

he got loop and fired.

27:53

And like, I mean, okay,

27:55

maybe he's feeling guilt about

27:57

that now. He told, he

27:59

told, that he felt

28:01

bad, he didn't mean

28:04

to. And Dumboldor believed

28:06

that? Snaip hated

28:08

James and he didn't

28:10

think my mother was

28:12

worth a damn either.

28:15

Mudblood, he called her. Yeah.

28:17

Well, how did Harry know

28:19

that? Right, I don't know.

28:21

Okay, anyway, yeah, I

28:23

guess it's kind of

28:25

a strange moment that

28:28

doesn't really get... fully

28:30

explained. I mean, we're just

28:32

supposed to be like, wow,

28:34

so you're trying to protect Lupin.

28:37

Yeah, I think it, like I

28:39

said, it's in there as a

28:41

redemptive moment, but

28:43

as a reader, I don't

28:45

necessarily buy it. Yeah, exactly.

28:48

Yeah. But yeah. Anyway, now

28:50

we're going to move on to

28:52

the forest, and this is going

28:54

to be where we see Lupin.

28:56

it as the resurrection stone

28:58

has brought him back

29:00

and he looks good. Well, yeah,

29:03

I mean, he's shed everything that

29:05

he needed to shed and

29:07

he's moved on to another

29:09

to be on the veil.

29:11

Yeah, well, Sirius was tall

29:13

and had some and Lupin

29:15

was younger too, and much

29:18

less shabby, and his hair

29:20

was thicker and darker. I

29:22

can't really picture Lupin with

29:24

dark hair. Well, yeah, you're

29:26

supposed to have gray hair. Well,

29:28

I can't I don't know I

29:30

feel like I picture him with

29:32

like sandy hair Yeah, well, you're

29:35

are you picturing David through

29:37

this? Yeah, I don't want to

29:39

I think what this is aiming

29:41

to say is like I do

29:43

feel that it's symbolic like that

29:45

everybody looks younger and happier

29:47

and it's like they've Like I

29:50

said kind of like shed the

29:52

burdens of living Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

29:54

no, I agree. I don't, I'm

29:57

not trying to argue that.

29:59

I think it's kind of interesting

30:02

the description of

30:04

his thick dark hair. Yeah, agreed.

30:07

But speaking of like, I

30:09

know we've spent a lot

30:11

of time on this show

30:13

talking about ghost outfits, but

30:15

this also I think restores

30:17

people to like their their

30:19

best age kind of thing. Yeah,

30:21

exactly. Yeah. It's a little

30:23

bit. unclear what Lupin's best age

30:26

was, but I guess, yeah. Yeah.

30:28

Because they all, like, let's just

30:30

do the math again. The Marauders,

30:33

they were, Lily and James were

30:35

20 when they had Harry. I

30:37

think they were, were they 20 or were

30:39

they 19? No, I think they were

30:41

20 because I think they were 21

30:43

when they died. So then they're 17,

30:45

or not, it's been 17 years, so

30:47

it's, they're 37. Like,

30:49

serious, serious was 35 when he

30:52

died. when Harry was 15. Right. My

30:54

age pretty much. Yeah, and Lupin was

30:56

37. Yeah. I mean, it's not unheard

30:58

of. I mean, some people my age

31:01

and in their 30s, yeah, do have

31:03

gray hair. And people do. I do

31:05

feel like when you get into your

31:08

30s is about when you start splitting

31:10

off into people that are aging. horribly

31:12

versus people that are still looking like

31:15

they're in their 20s. Totally, yeah. So

31:17

definitely Lupin. It tracks that he would

31:19

be one of the people that would

31:22

age poorly. Right. But not that having

31:24

gray hair means you're aging poorly.

31:26

Sometimes I think people look great

31:28

with gray hair, but I don't

31:30

know that that's the case with

31:32

loopin. Yeah, I have to agree,

31:34

but yeah, so back to what

31:36

Lupin says in this moment we

31:39

do it's interesting that Harry apologizes

31:41

here He didn't want you to

31:43

die any of you. It's like I

31:45

I didn't want you to die mom

31:47

and dad like it's not like Harry

31:49

had anything to do with that Yeah,

31:51

well, I mean, I think he just

31:53

means like I Don't know I do

31:55

think Harry does feel some

31:57

guilt for his parents dying

31:59

because because they partly died to

32:01

protect him. Yeah, I mean, I think also

32:04

he actually was just talking to Lupin

32:06

and then he switches to like any

32:08

of you, because Lupin's the one who

32:10

says like, he will want it to

32:12

be quick. And then loop, Harry says,

32:14

I didn't want you to die. And

32:16

then any of you, but it says

32:19

he addressed Lupin more than any of

32:21

them. He, loopin said, can you make

32:23

it quite quick? Yeah. Exactly. But. I

32:25

think this might be one of the

32:27

first times we've actually seen Harry call

32:29

Lupin Remus. He says Remus, I'm sorry.

32:31

Remus is like, I prefer to go

32:34

by my surname only. Yeah, exactly. But

32:36

Lupin does say he's sorry that he'll

32:38

never know Teddy, but he will know

32:40

why I died and I hope he

32:42

will understand. I was trying to make

32:45

a world in which he could live

32:47

a happier life. And that's a very

32:49

nice sentiment and you know, I

32:51

think that it's pretty. odd brand

32:53

with who lupin was. Yeah and

32:55

it's again some obvious like parallels

32:57

to Harry and his parents. Yeah

33:00

except for like they weren't successful

33:02

in making it you know like

33:04

it is it is parallels but like

33:06

this they were kind of the what

33:08

set everything off you know not really

33:10

but like yeah I think was

33:12

really resolved with their deaths yeah

33:14

Harry and lupin and lupin and

33:17

lupin and lupin and lupin and

33:19

lupin and lupin and lupin and

33:21

lupin. you know, this final battle

33:23

is going to be what

33:25

makes it a better life

33:27

for Teddy. Oh, sister, have

33:29

you read the cursed child?

33:31

Just kidding. Yeah. So, yeah,

33:34

that's actually kind of our

33:36

last words from Lupin, and I

33:38

do really like that as our

33:40

last words from him. Yeah, and

33:42

I mean, it is, like I

33:44

said, we're joking around a lot,

33:47

but it is very tragic to

33:49

see that... He came he he

33:51

was so happy for such a

33:53

short period of time And then

33:55

he does he doesn't get

33:57

to have that father's son

33:59

really with Teddy. Yeah, I mean

34:01

a lot of it, it's part of

34:03

the tragedy of it is you know

34:06

that a lot of the, Teddy's life

34:08

wasn't really impacted by

34:10

Lupin's waffling, but you

34:12

know, Lupin, a lot of the

34:15

reasons why he wasn't happy

34:17

before were kind of his

34:19

own demons that he hadn't

34:21

been able to really figure

34:23

out. It's not like it was other

34:26

people that were preventing him from

34:28

having a good life up until

34:30

I mean it was because yes he

34:32

had to deal with bigotry and

34:34

stuff so I'm not trying to

34:37

underestimate that but yeah I think

34:39

that part of the tragedy of

34:41

it is a lot of it

34:43

was loopin's own like insecurities his

34:45

mind and his just yeah this

34:48

sadness with the world right yeah which

34:50

is based in yeah real experiences

34:52

yeah So that's the end

34:54

of Lupin's arc. It's kind

34:57

of a shorter episode here,

34:59

but I think that it's

35:01

been really interesting to develop

35:03

Lupin's character or to explore

35:05

Lupin's character development more. And

35:07

like you've been saying, we do

35:09

like to joke about Lupin and stuff,

35:12

but he has always been one of

35:14

my favorite characters, honestly. Yeah, and he

35:16

really is a wonderful person and mentor

35:19

to Harry. I think like that's one

35:21

of the, I mean, he's one of

35:23

the most influential adults in Harry's life

35:26

and he really like made a huge

35:28

impact. I think we in this seventh

35:30

book, like the tables do get turned

35:33

a bit and Harry has to mentor

35:35

him a little bit, but for the

35:37

most part, Lupin really was like.

35:40

More than serious, Lupin was like

35:42

a parent to Harry. I think

35:44

serious was more like, I mean

35:47

he was a wonderful mentor too,

35:49

but he was more of, more

35:51

like a peer from the way

35:53

he acted. Like a brother, yeah,

35:55

like an older brother. Yeah, and

35:57

I think that part of why

35:59

I make. fun of loopin so

36:01

much is because he was like

36:03

my favorite character until the seventh

36:05

book when I was when I

36:07

was reading the books as they

36:09

came out like I loved loopin

36:11

in the third book and then

36:13

in like more books beyond the

36:15

third book the fourth and fifth

36:17

books he's not really in the

36:19

fourth that much but I was

36:21

like I would always say loopin

36:23

is one of my favorite characters

36:25

like I would frequently cite him

36:27

as maybe even my favorite character.

36:29

And then when the seventh book

36:31

came out as a teenager reading

36:33

it, I was just like so

36:35

mad at Lupin and so like

36:37

hurt by it. So I think

36:39

that's part of why I kind

36:41

of do make fun of it.

36:43

And then also like, you know,

36:45

with the take-fives and watching the

36:48

third movie and stuff. Well, and

36:50

David Thulis. Yeah, I mean, that's

36:52

not lupin's fault. No, it's not

36:54

that David Thulis was really that

36:56

bad, but there's just more awkward.

36:58

as a teenager, you know, how

37:00

old was I when this book

37:02

came out, like 12 or something?

37:04

I didn't really like appreciate the

37:06

complexity of Lupin's character and I

37:08

do a lot more now and

37:10

I really enjoy just talking about,

37:12

I mean, not that it was

37:14

this character study that changed my

37:16

mind about it, but just the

37:18

podcast in general and you know,

37:20

growing up and what? Yeah, appreciating

37:22

Lupin's arc more. Yeah, and I

37:24

will say I think we could

37:26

give Lupin like... Maybe the title

37:28

and I not to shade I'm

37:30

not trying to discount Professor McGonagall

37:32

because I feel like she would

37:34

be up there too But I

37:36

feel like lupin is potentially the

37:38

best teacher of the series. Yeah

37:40

I think so too like McGonagall

37:42

Okay, let's McGonagall's the best professor

37:44

and lupin's the best teacher. Yeah,

37:46

maybe that's a good way of

37:48

looking at it. McGonagall has a

37:50

more like she she does have

37:53

that personal side to her later

37:55

sometimes, but I think Lupin just

37:57

really has, he's just... such a

37:59

natural teacher. Just such a natural

38:01

teacher. Yeah, and I think that

38:03

like from an educator standpoint. McGodagall's

38:05

education approach is much more of

38:07

that professorial, like lofty, like, removal

38:09

of students. A lot more old

38:11

school too. Yeah, which is fine.

38:13

And I think that- She's very

38:15

effective, but totally. Yeah, like she

38:17

just, Lupin just has more of

38:19

that personal connection like you said.

38:21

Yeah, exactly. So. best teacher of

38:23

the series. I mean Dumboldore is

38:25

a good and Dumboldore is a

38:27

good teacher too but in a

38:29

different way. Yeah he's Dumboldore and

38:31

he doesn't really teach that many

38:33

people and he only teaches Harry.

38:35

Whereas Lupin I mean Lupin really

38:37

he was a teacher for one

38:39

year like professionally as a teacher

38:41

but he just that was just

38:43

his nature and he even even

38:45

when he was like a student

38:47

at Hogwarts it felt like he

38:49

was teaching his friends things. Well

38:51

that's part of what's so tragic

38:53

about Lupin is that the fact

38:55

that he didn't get to be

38:58

a teacher as his career like

39:00

he was meant to be a

39:02

teacher like that would have just

39:04

been such a natural career for

39:06

him like you said and he

39:08

only got to do it for

39:10

one year yeah for a lot

39:12

of circumstances that led to that

39:14

but I think if he it's

39:16

not even if he weren't a

39:18

were a were wolf if he

39:20

didn't live in the time that

39:22

he did. like a teacher that's

39:24

a career-long teacher. Yeah, for sure.

39:26

I think he was, like, that

39:28

was what he was kind of

39:30

born to do. Totally, yeah. Yeah.

39:32

Yeah. And I think also the

39:34

fact that he was a great

39:36

teacher to everybody, like thinking about

39:38

him with, or with Neville, and

39:40

even like the other Griffin doors,

39:42

like Seamus and Lavender and stuff,

39:44

like I feel like he had

39:46

a huge impact on all of

39:48

them. Yeah, and yeah, he totally

39:50

did. than even after he was

39:52

at Hogwarts. like the way he

39:54

would talk to the kids and

39:56

even the other adults, he just

39:58

had a way of like, well

40:00

he's very diplomatic and he knows

40:02

how to connect with people and

40:05

to make his point in a

40:07

way that they're gonna learn. I

40:09

think without Lupin, Harry wouldn't have

40:11

been the teacher that he was

40:13

in the DA. Agreed. Yeah. Like

40:15

when you think about when. Hermione

40:17

and Ron recruited Harry to do

40:19

that. They were describing what they

40:21

needed and a teacher and Harry

40:23

was like, if you're talking about

40:25

Lupin, they're like, no, we're talking

40:27

about you. So that just I

40:29

think is a very, like, he

40:31

had huge impact beyond just his

40:33

year at Hogwarts. Yeah, and I

40:35

think, um, In a lot of

40:37

ways, like this is gonna kind

40:39

of come out of the blue,

40:41

but I feel like loopin in

40:43

a lot of ways kind of

40:45

reminds me of our mom with

40:47

some of those. Well, I mean

40:49

like for the for the listeners

40:51

because this is not something that

40:53

they've heard before, but I think

40:55

like loopin reminds me of our

40:57

mom who is a very good

40:59

teacher as well. And I think

41:01

that that's probably also partly why

41:03

we kind of razz him a

41:05

lot because like, you kind of

41:07

always think of your parents as

41:10

a little. bit dorky. And so

41:12

that's when I see traits like

41:14

that, it's kind of like when

41:16

you see traits of your own

41:18

self in things and you it

41:20

makes you a little bit like

41:22

squirming. It's kind of the same

41:24

thing. I think Lupin and our

41:26

mom have a ton in common.

41:28

I'm surprised we haven't said that

41:30

on the podcast before because I

41:32

know we've said it in real

41:34

life. Yeah, maybe we have. You

41:36

know, I do get podnesia, but

41:38

yeah, it definitely is what I'm

41:40

thinking of when, yeah. And it

41:42

makes a lot of sense, like

41:44

you said, that we would make

41:46

fun of a character like that.

41:48

And it's much more of a

41:50

making fun in out of love.

41:52

Right, right. Exactly. So thank you

41:54

Lupin for being a great character.

41:56

Let's go ahead and give him

41:58

his final rating. All

42:01

right, so Humor five he's hilarious.

42:03

Oh, he's a natural comic Yeah

42:05

And circumstances just are always funny.

42:08

I do self into sticky situations

42:10

I Do still think heart he

42:13

should still get a five even

42:15

though he had some struggles in

42:17

this book. I completely agree. Okay,

42:20

Humor Again, the natural humor, not

42:22

so sure. The unintentional humor was

42:24

there, but I don't know if

42:27

we usually count that or not.

42:29

I mean for us, we got

42:31

a lot of laughs out of

42:34

him, but I know, but I'm

42:36

saying we don't count that though.

42:39

Yeah, I would say two seems

42:41

about right. Yeah, I agree. Which

42:43

is what he got last book

42:46

too. Yeah, I mean, the... The

42:48

only natural humor we've ever had

42:50

from it was like putting Augusta

42:53

Longbottom's hat on snape. That was

42:55

hilarious. Well exactly. So he is

42:58

a comic. Unique is a creativity.

43:00

I don't know. Should we go

43:02

up to five? I do think

43:05

like he definitely has a unique

43:07

role in the series. This maybe

43:09

would be I think maybe we

43:12

keep him out of four though,

43:14

and then I maybe the depth

43:17

goes up a little bit because

43:19

I do think that like his

43:21

struggles with figuring out Yeah relationship

43:24

with Tonks and the baby that

43:26

adds depth to his character I'm

43:28

not sure if it adds uniqueness

43:31

or creativity, but it does add

43:33

depth. Yeah, I mean we add

43:35

one or the we add one

43:38

point to one or the other

43:40

so if you want to do

43:43

depth, that's fine To me it

43:45

feels a little bit more like

43:47

creativity because it's like we don't

43:50

really know his own like I

43:52

don't know but I can't make

43:54

a good argument so it doesn't

43:57

really matter like I said we're

43:59

gonna add one point either way

44:02

yeah exactly so a total of

44:04

16 points for good old Remus

44:06

John. Remus John, it is I,

44:09

Remus John Lupin, 16 points from

44:11

the real weird sisters. Okay, that

44:13

was odd. Well, he would probably

44:16

announce that. Sisters. Sisters. Sisters. Well,

44:18

how would he say it? I

44:20

don't know. I don't know. I

44:23

don't know if he would say

44:25

real word sister. Well, he would,

44:28

if he knew he got 16

44:30

points, he would certainly declare that

44:32

if he entered a room. Yes,

44:35

recipient of 15 character points. 16

44:37

character points. What did I say?

44:39

15. What was 15 last book?

44:42

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44:44

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44:47

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45:15

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45:17

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45:20

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45:22

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45:24

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45:27

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45:32

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