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2:02

and welcome to The Real Weird

2:04

Sisters. I'm Alice. And I'm Martha.

2:06

And today we're here to talk

2:08

about Ron Weasley in the seventh

2:10

book for the fifth time. And

2:12

we are getting closer to ending

2:14

the Ronversation, but there's still at

2:16

least one more part after this.

2:19

This is Ron Weasley part 75,

2:21

right? Yeah, I typed it out.

2:23

I was creating this like... notes

2:25

that I wrote Ron Wesley said

2:27

I forgot to put the dot

2:29

and I was like that seems

2:31

about right honestly 75. I know

2:34

I was I was just thinking

2:36

like at the end of this

2:38

all we're gonna have to count

2:40

how many there were because I

2:42

can't remember at this point. No

2:44

but somehow we did just one

2:46

for the first and second books.

2:49

How how? I don't know. We

2:51

had a different style back then

2:53

I guess. Yeah we sure did

2:55

and I miss it. Well, I

2:57

do think that the episodes are

2:59

probably like almost two hours, and

3:01

I don't know that's that part.

3:03

That's true, too. Like we struggled

3:06

with the timing of everything. Yeah,

3:08

we've we've honed in on that

3:10

a little bit, figuring out how

3:12

to stick to about an hour.

3:14

No more, no less. Yeah, exactly.

3:16

All right. Well, this week, we're

3:18

going to be talking about Ron.

3:21

After they get to Shell Cottage,

3:23

they've escaped Malfoi Manor, and then

3:25

we'll go up basically until they

3:27

get Hogsmead. So before they get

3:29

to Hogwarts. So this will be

3:31

a hog, the hog's mead. They

3:33

will not go to Hogwarts. But

3:36

yeah, this week is another one.

3:38

It's kind of similar to last

3:40

week where I don't feel that

3:42

it was necessarily like super, like

3:44

Ron was there for everything, but

3:46

like as far as his character

3:48

development, it's kind of just like.

3:51

It's not super wrong focused,

3:53

if that makes sense. Not

3:55

super run-centric, like, you know,

3:58

you like to have. and

4:00

centric circles, but this is

4:02

not very run-centric. Exactly. This

4:04

is not a very, I

4:06

mean, this is a run-centric

4:08

conversation, but like, it just, it's

4:11

not, I don't know, it's

4:13

more plot-driven and less character-driven.

4:15

Okay, well, we'll see how we do

4:17

with it. Yes, we will see. So

4:20

they get to, I guess one of

4:22

the threads that we're seeing quite a

4:24

bit with Ron is him being, you

4:27

know, very thoughtful about Hermione and very

4:29

concerned and preoccupied with Hermione because they

4:31

get to Shell Cottage and Harry is

4:34

very preoccupied with Dobby in this moment.

4:36

Understandably so. Yeah, but he kind of

4:38

doesn't even, he's so focused on that

4:40

that he doesn't really know what's happening

4:43

around him and all of a sudden

4:45

he like... thinks about, he's

4:47

like, Hermione, he said suddenly,

4:49

where is she? And then

4:51

it's like, okay, Ron took

4:53

her inside is the answer.

4:55

So Harry didn't even like

4:57

see that, but Ron, Ron's

4:59

priority in this moment was

5:01

helping Hermione, which is, which

5:03

is very good because Hermione

5:06

obviously also is in a

5:08

right state when they arrived. Right.

5:10

Yeah, but it's nice to see

5:12

is, it is a change in

5:14

Ron, like he's not, not that

5:17

he's been like the most selfish

5:19

person ever before this, but he's

5:21

a lot more selfless than he's

5:23

ever been. Yeah, he's definitely like,

5:25

I think it wasn't, like you

5:27

said, it wasn't that he was

5:29

selfish, it was more just

5:31

that he was like, you

5:34

know, a teenager who, you

5:36

know, isn't necessarily always looking

5:38

around outside of themselves. Right.

5:40

So really by any fault of his

5:42

own other than being young. Right,

5:44

exactly. So anyway, he's taken

5:46

Hermione inside. So we don't

5:49

really like see what happens

5:51

with that. But we see

5:53

Ron again shortly when Harry

5:55

starts digging the grave for

5:57

Dobby and Ron comes outside.

5:59

and he's with Dean so he's

6:02

probably really happy because that's cool.

6:04

That is really cool. Yeah he's

6:06

like finally I get to chill

6:08

with Dean. Yeah exactly. And Harry's

6:10

digging the grave by hand with

6:12

no magic and he's for some

6:14

reason he's like feeling like they're

6:16

going to come at him for

6:18

that he had his retort ready

6:20

for when they asked him why

6:22

he had not simply created a

6:24

perfect grave with his wand but...

6:26

they don't say anything about it.

6:28

So it was the mark of

6:30

their friends, the strength of their friendship

6:33

that Ron did not say anything. It's

6:35

kind of the same type of moment

6:37

where it's like Harry's expecting

6:39

his friends to be less good

6:42

friends than they are. Lower, lower

6:44

expectations of them and like their

6:46

ability to understand the situation. But

6:48

yeah, so instead of criticizing him

6:50

for that, Ron and Dean actually

6:52

both jumped down into the hole

6:54

and help him dig. keep digging

6:56

which is a very like you

6:59

know symbolic moment very powerful sign

7:01

of that yes definitely yeah

7:03

so that's very sweet but

7:05

then I think even more

7:07

so like Ron when they

7:09

go to Barry Dobby Harry

7:11

wraps Dobby in his jacket

7:13

and then Ron actually takes off

7:15

his shoes and socks and puts them

7:18

onto Dobby's feet which is so sweet

7:20

Yeah, I mean Ron's always, he like

7:22

kind of had a weird thing with

7:25

Dobby at first, but then I think

7:27

that, not like it was ever like,

7:29

he didn't like him, but he would

7:32

kind of had a, how he was

7:34

like, oh, how self's a weird or

7:36

whatever. But I think that for the

7:39

last couple years, Ron has really liked

7:41

Dobby and I think ever since, I

7:43

like, I think Ron like originally liked

7:45

Dobby because he called him like Master

7:48

Weasley or whatever. kind of treated him

7:50

like he was really special, but I

7:52

think ever since Ron gave him his

7:55

Christmas sweater and stuff, all those things,

7:57

Ron and Dobby did have a special

7:59

bond. Yeah, and I mean, it's

8:01

just, it's very, like, thoughtful. I

8:03

mean, especially with the clothing thing,

8:06

like being symbolic for Dobby. Yeah,

8:08

like I said, I mean, Ron

8:10

gave him his that Christmas sweater,

8:12

so I think he knows how

8:14

much that kind of thing meant

8:17

to Dobby. Dobby just loved clothes

8:19

and to see that Harry, Ron

8:21

and Dean gives him his hat,

8:23

so they all three give him

8:25

clothing items. It's very. Yeah, very

8:28

meaningful. And I mean, it's their

8:30

own clothing that they're giving up.

8:32

They're not going to be getting

8:34

that back, you know, so it's

8:36

like that was that was very

8:39

thoughtful and just a nice gesture

8:41

that they both that they all

8:43

do. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, so

8:45

very nice of Ron there. He's

8:48

at the little funeral and again,

8:50

he's like attending to Hermione because

8:52

Hermione is kind of on she

8:54

looks pale and unsteady on her

8:56

feet. And so Ron's like got

8:59

his arm around her. He's keeping

9:01

her safe. So again, sweet. I

9:03

learned about that from the fail

9:05

safe. Yeah, ways to charm witches.

9:07

What's your arm around the witch

9:10

if she's feeling sad? If she

9:12

looks pale and unsteady. Yeah. What

9:14

if your arm around her will

9:16

make a lot or something? Yeah.

9:18

So anyway, that I don't want

9:21

to dwell too much on this

9:23

scene just because it's depressing. But

9:25

it's, you see a very, you

9:27

know, Ron is acting very maturely

9:29

in this moment. Yeah, I agree.

9:32

It's not, it's totally genuine too.

9:34

I mean, I think that he's,

9:36

all right. At times, like the,

9:38

you really have a way with

9:40

these things or whatever. Like when

9:43

he said that to Hermione at

9:45

the wedding, like some of that

9:47

has been kind of fake, but

9:49

this is real Ron caring about

9:51

Hermione and taking care of her

9:54

and, you know, yeah, her to

9:56

be, you know, happy. This is

9:58

like fan fiction Ron. I feel

10:00

like. Totally. So after the funeral

10:03

is over, and Harry's kind of

10:05

making his decision about what they're

10:07

going to be doing next, and

10:09

he's had a vision of Voldemort

10:11

heading to get the elder wand,

10:14

but he has to make his

10:16

choice. Is he going to be

10:18

choosing horkrucks or hallows? He chooses

10:20

to speak to grip hook first,

10:22

and he pulls Hermione and Ron

10:25

into the conversation. they don't get

10:27

to be part of the decision

10:29

but they get to be there

10:31

when he's talking to them about

10:33

or talking to grip hook and

10:36

then talking to all ofander about

10:38

the various plans. Right and it's

10:40

kind of interesting because Harry didn't

10:42

like talk to them at all

10:44

ahead of time and he's just

10:47

like I need you too as

10:49

well. And so that he's like

10:51

I need help breaking into Grinkgots

10:53

and Rod's like what? Yeah they're

10:55

totally blindsided by it. They're staring

10:58

at Harry as though he'd gone

11:00

mad. Yeah I can see why.

11:02

It does seem like it came

11:04

out of nowhere. Like they've not

11:06

talked about Greengots at all. Yeah

11:09

but it is interesting that Rod

11:11

does immediately back area up like

11:13

when grip hooks like break into

11:15

a Greek god's fault is impossible

11:17

and Harry no one, Ron, no

11:20

one isn't, it's been done. Yeah,

11:22

I mean, it's, yeah, like you

11:24

said, I think Ron and Hermione

11:26

are taken aback, but then yeah,

11:29

they're, they're at this point, so

11:31

like willing to do whatever Harry

11:33

says that they're just on board.

11:35

grip hooks, grip hooks very defensive

11:37

about. Gringott's, he's like, the vaulted

11:40

question was empty at the time.

11:42

Yeah, and Harry's like getting the

11:44

sense that he did not want

11:46

to, like, hear them disparaging Gringott's

11:48

security, right? So then we have

11:51

this kind of a couple things

11:53

that come out of this conversation,

11:55

some positive, some negative with Ron.

11:57

I guess one positive is that

11:59

he's again, very defensive of her

12:02

mind. When she herself calls herself

12:04

a mudblood, and Ron does not

12:06

like that, she's kind of doing

12:08

it to like reclaim that identity

12:10

or like that slur as like

12:12

something positive. So he doesn't like

12:15

really understand that right at first.

12:17

But I mean, I still think

12:19

it's very sweet to see himself

12:21

or see him not wanting her to

12:23

like disparage herself. Yeah, I think that

12:25

she he. I think he lets her

12:28

kind of explain herself and I think

12:30

he doesn't really get it but like

12:32

at first especially is when he's

12:34

so like don't call yourself that

12:36

because he thinks she's like being

12:38

disparaging of herself. Yeah he thinks

12:41

she's like down on herself or something.

12:43

Right. But then unfortunately we see

12:45

kind of a negative thing about

12:47

Ron here too which is his

12:49

anti-goblin mentality. Like he is I

12:51

would say out of the three

12:53

of them like the most angry

12:55

with grip hook about his response

12:58

to different things and then he

13:00

makes some like anti-goblin comments after

13:02

the fact as well so you

13:04

start to see some of his

13:06

prejudices coming out. Yeah and I

13:08

mean some of it is definitely

13:10

prejudice towards just the species of

13:13

goblins like you said but some of

13:15

it also is just grip hook being

13:17

a little annoying little brat and

13:19

raw difficult right and he's like

13:21

I believe the, or I think

13:23

that the scallogroll has finished its

13:25

work. I may be able to

13:27

sleep at last. So like smug

13:29

and ostentatious is the word here,

13:31

but yeah, I think Ron takes,

13:33

takes gripbooks, annoying actions and kind

13:36

of generalizes it for the whole

13:38

species and or like takes what

13:40

he thinks he knows about goblins

13:43

and applies it just to grip

13:45

hook. So all of it is

13:47

definitely like not super. great side

13:50

of Ron and definitely indicative

13:52

of how the majority of you

13:54

know wizards are about goblins. Right,

13:56

exactly. And I mean I think

13:58

it's again it's in keeping with

14:00

what we know of Ron previous,

14:03

which is that he's grown up

14:05

in the wizarding world and has

14:07

absorbed a lot of the prejudices

14:10

that the wizarding community has in

14:12

general against other species. And so

14:14

it's not necessarily like. I wouldn't

14:17

say it's necessarily Ron's fault that

14:19

he's this way. It's just it's

14:21

realistic that he is this way.

14:23

Yeah, exactly. And grip hook, like

14:26

some of his attitudes and stuff

14:28

are not like necessarily contradicting some

14:30

of the prejudices. Yeah, exactly. So

14:33

I mean, yeah, Ron's like, let

14:35

him get. He's enjoying keeping us

14:37

hanging. Is true. Right. And Hermione,

14:40

you know, as usual, is the

14:42

one who kind of explains, I

14:44

mean, we'll get to this in

14:46

a little bit, but Hermione kind

14:49

of explains, like, some of the

14:51

history of goblins and wizards, again,

14:53

to Ron, because he's not paid

14:56

attention in History of Magic. Right.

14:58

But I mean, I think it's

15:00

complicated with gripbook, and we've talked

15:03

about this before. It's complicated with

15:05

gripbook, because he's not a very

15:07

nice person. Nice Goblin. But at

15:09

the same time, kind of knowing

15:12

where he comes from helps to

15:14

understand his actions. Yeah, totally. So

15:16

anyway, right after this conversation with

15:19

grip hook, Harry fills in Ron

15:21

and Hermione on why he's come

15:23

to this idea. And he goes

15:25

through like why Voldemort would want

15:28

to have something at Green Gots.

15:30

And then Ron's like, kind of

15:32

taken it back. He's like, Ron

15:35

shook his head. You really understand

15:37

him. Yeah, I mean, it's, I

15:39

think that a lot of what

15:42

Ron, like, Ron's actions and like

15:44

attitudes in this section are kind

15:46

of overcompensating a little bit, not

15:48

like consciously. Ron's part, but I

15:51

think he's his time away really

15:53

like made him appreciate Harry and

15:55

her body for their different qualities

15:58

and especially like he I think

16:00

has this like kind of subconscious

16:02

guilt for how he like didn't

16:05

trust Harry to like like the

16:07

stuff he said about like Harry

16:09

not having a plan and stuff

16:11

so a lot of stuff he

16:14

says like this kind of is

16:16

like a reaction to him doing

16:18

that. I agree for sure, like

16:21

I, every time I see Ron

16:23

acting like this, I'm like, this

16:25

is like a new side of

16:28

him that we're seeing after his

16:30

return of him, like, I think

16:32

he, like you said, I think

16:34

he gained an appreciation for Harry

16:37

and Hermione's strengths. And particularly Harry,

16:39

because I think Harry was the

16:41

one where he was feeling like

16:44

disenchanted. And now that he's back,

16:46

he's seeing like, okay, he does

16:48

know what he's doing more than

16:50

I was giving him credit. Yeah,

16:53

exactly. So after they have this

16:55

conversation about why they're going to

16:57

go to Green Gots, they go

17:00

meet with Oliveander. And Harry has

17:02

not filled them in on that

17:04

either yet of why he wants

17:07

to talk to them about the

17:09

elder wand. And the new information

17:11

that he has that that Voldemort

17:13

is going to go get the

17:16

the elder wand right now. But

17:18

he gets this. wand information from

17:20

Oliveander. One of another moment, Ron

17:23

is preoccupied with Hermione because Harry

17:25

asks Oliveander and points out the

17:27

fact that they're going to know

17:30

that he doesn't have his wand

17:32

anymore because they can do priori

17:34

and can taught him on Hermione's

17:36

wand at Malfoy Manor. and that

17:39

they're going to figure it all

17:41

out and Hermione's looking very upset

17:43

and Ron like looks reproachfully at

17:46

her. Let's not worry about that

17:48

right now. So it kind of

17:50

cracks me up because once again

17:53

it's like Ron. just like, I

17:55

don't know, I mean, it's sweet

17:57

to see how much he's like

17:59

worried about her mighty, but it's

18:02

also like, okay, she can handle

18:04

it. Right, and also, I mean,

18:06

in his little bit of Harry

18:09

being a little bit insensitive though,

18:11

because like, he knows how bad

18:13

her mighty feels about Harry's wand,

18:15

right? Him not being sensitive about

18:18

that. You'll see that her mighty,

18:20

that you broke my wand. It's

18:22

like, right. I also was always

18:25

kind of like. How will they

18:27

know for sure that that's

18:29

what it broke, you know?

18:31

Yeah, I don't really know

18:33

what priority, like, not priority,

18:35

priority in Cantatam, like what,

18:38

like visual it gives, like

18:40

is it gonna show Harry's

18:42

wand cracking, or I mean,

18:44

well, I guess, well, I guess, well,

18:46

yeah, they'll also see her,

18:48

her wand trying to repair

18:50

his wand. Right. I don't know.

18:52

I'm always, I like, I always understand

18:54

that it shows the previous spells, but

18:56

I'm like, does it, like, like, like,

18:58

what are the visuals here? Like, are

19:00

we going to see the wands? I

19:03

mean, that's what I would kind of

19:05

think, just because of, like, when, when

19:07

priority and cantonum. is used

19:09

for, or like the, you know,

19:11

the reverse spell effect in the

19:14

graveyard. Like we get the reverse

19:16

spell effect. Yeah, thank you serious.

19:18

But like we do actually see

19:21

the corpse, not the corpses, but

19:23

you know, the the reincarnations of

19:25

Frank and James and Lily and

19:28

stuff. Right. So I guess maybe we

19:30

would see a visual of the wand.

19:32

Right, right. So anyway,

19:34

I just saw a

19:37

spell effect. He said

19:39

serious said sharply. I

19:41

thought that was just

19:43

a defense against

19:46

the dark arts

19:48

question, quiz question.

19:50

So basically, Olavander

19:53

confirms that the elder one

19:56

is a thing. And then

19:58

they go out. And they're

20:00

kind of like, Harry's kind

20:02

of like now again, doing

20:04

a second reveal of what's

20:07

going on. He kind of

20:09

tracks down exactly who's got

20:11

the wand and the fact

20:13

that Dumboldore had the wand

20:15

and then it's at Hogwarts

20:17

and then Ron's like, okay,

20:19

we've got to go get

20:22

it. And then Harry's like,

20:24

we've got the reveal. It's

20:26

too late for that. He

20:28

knows where it is. He

20:30

knows where it is. He's

20:32

there now. Right. Hermine he's

20:34

not really saying much or

20:36

reacting much, but Ron is

20:39

really upset. He's like, how

20:41

long have you known? Like,

20:43

we should have talked to...

20:45

How long have you known?

20:47

Exactly. He's like, the unbeatable

20:49

wand Harry. Harry's like a

20:51

month or so? Harry, you

20:53

should have told me. How

20:56

about a new parody? Let's

20:58

get Tim on that. It

21:00

would be great. Harry's like,

21:02

I'm not sorry. Exactly. Okay,

21:04

sorry, I got a little

21:06

sidetracked. You think? When I

21:08

hear how long have you

21:10

known, I can't, I can't

21:13

help but sing. Yeah, it

21:15

just bursts out of you.

21:17

I was like, Harry, you

21:19

should have told me. It

21:21

actually fits sadly well. I

21:23

know. And Harry, I'm not

21:25

sorry. He's made his decision,

21:27

halos or horkrocks. Yeah. And

21:30

he, Harry says, her mind

21:32

is right. Dummel, or didn't

21:34

want me to have it.

21:36

Right. And I mean, it's

21:38

interesting that Ron is so

21:40

upset by this because we

21:42

know that that's the hallow

21:44

that he would have wanted.

21:47

You know, come on. Yeah,

21:49

exactly. Come on, the unbeatable

21:51

want. You wouldn't need the

21:53

invisibility. Or if you've got

21:55

the unbeatable want. Exactly. So

21:57

yeah, he's, he's upset about

21:59

that. Hermione doesn't really say

22:01

a whole lot. Um, I

22:04

think Hermione's shell shocked that

22:06

the elder wand exists, like,

22:08

because she's like, what? Right,

22:10

because she had just been

22:12

like, you really think this

22:14

wand exists, Mr. Oliver, and

22:16

he's like, oh, yes. Yeah.

22:19

Yeah, she's, I think you're

22:21

right, like, taken aback by

22:23

the whole concept. Right. She's

22:25

still processing. Um, so anyway,

22:27

they've made the, Harry's made

22:29

his decision. He then has

22:31

this whole. This whole vision

22:33

of Dumboldor of Voldemort getting

22:36

the wand from Dumboldor had

22:38

the old fool imagined that

22:40

marble or death would protect

22:42

the wand The old fool

22:44

Yeah, that's that's Voldemort for

22:46

you. That's Voldemort for you.

22:48

That's Tom Shouldn't have come

22:50

here tonight Tom. Yeah, exactly

22:53

it was foolish to come

22:55

here tonight. Tom euros are

22:57

on their way Okay,

22:59

so then, so the decision's been

23:01

made, but Ron doesn't really do,

23:03

I mean, Ron has improved in

23:06

his confidence in Harry in some

23:08

ways, but instead of like, you

23:10

know, backing up Harry for this

23:12

decision, he now spends the next

23:14

few days voicing his concerns with

23:17

the fact that he wishes that

23:19

they could have gone and gotten

23:21

the wand. It's like, Harry's full

23:23

of doubts, and it says doubts

23:25

that Ron could not help voicing

23:27

whenever they were together. Right. Harry,

23:30

if that really is the elder

23:32

one, how the hell are we

23:34

supposed to finish off, you know

23:36

who? Harry had no answers. When

23:38

this happened, I felt like this

23:41

was like a classic Alice moment

23:43

and you would be hairy and

23:45

I would be wrong. Because I

23:47

feel like that's a thing that

23:49

I do that bugs you, which

23:51

is you have like a doubter,

23:54

a worry about something and then

23:56

I can't help but voice. Yeah,

23:58

totally. That is very, very accurate.

24:00

Like yes, I've already spent time

24:02

worrying about this. I don't need

24:05

you to also voice that. Yeah,

24:07

I knew that you would agree

24:09

with that assessment. Yes, because it's

24:11

accurate. So anyway, it doesn't really

24:13

like help Perry, help Perry, but

24:15

I mean, the decision has been

24:18

made, so there's not really a

24:20

lot they can do. Yeah, I

24:22

mean, I think if anything, it

24:24

just shows that Ron is really

24:26

like... He's he's in you know

24:29

like he yeah, he's extremely invested

24:31

Exactly way more than he was

24:33

before his little Christmas trip to

24:35

shell cottage When he had Christmas

24:37

with mummy and daddy You would

24:39

have my things So then Ron

24:42

also starts going Ron is very

24:44

in the in the conspiracy mindset

24:46

because he then starts going down

24:48

this rabbit hole of the fact

24:50

that Numboldor might not be dead.

24:52

And Hermione doesn't like it. Ron,

24:55

please don't start that again. Yeah,

24:57

apparently he's been saying it a

24:59

lot. Yeah, but Ron... Look at

25:01

the Snacks Hermione. The silver dough,

25:03

the sword, the eye Harry saw

25:06

in the mirror. And then Hermioney.

25:08

Harry admits he could have imagined

25:10

the eye, don't you Harry. Harry.

25:12

I could have without looking at

25:14

her. It's also like, I mean,

25:16

but how did Dobby get, I

25:19

mean, I do think that it's

25:21

kind of an oversight on Hermione's

25:23

part to not spend time, well,

25:25

or not to spend time speculating

25:27

about how Dobby knew where to

25:30

find them and stuff. Like, I

25:32

think that, yeah, it's, it's not

25:34

doubled or I think she's obviously

25:36

right to like question or, or

25:38

you know, stop that thought, but.

25:40

like she doesn't seem to want

25:43

to speculate at all about how

25:45

Dobby knew how to find them

25:47

and stuff which does like kind

25:49

of an oversight. Kind of random

25:51

too like I guess it's it's

25:54

obvious that Harry didn't imagine the

25:56

eye like it should be like

25:58

Harry and Harry admits it could

26:00

have been somebody else's eye or

26:02

something like, but like he saw

26:04

the eye, that's how he got

26:07

Dobby there. Like I don't know

26:09

what her real like explanation of

26:11

Dobby being there is other than

26:13

Harry imagined the eye. If he

26:15

imagined the eye, how did Dobby

26:18

know how to find them? Right.

26:20

And I haven't really thought about

26:22

this before and I guess it's

26:24

sort of obvious, but and also

26:26

not super related to Ron. It

26:28

didn't really occur to me before

26:31

that like, because we didn't know

26:33

who the eye was, Dobby pretty

26:35

much had to die in that

26:37

scene. Yeah, that's true. Or the

26:39

whole mystery would have been boiled.

26:41

So I mean, poor Dobby, he

26:44

had to die just because of

26:46

the mystery. Yeah, it's a shame.

26:48

I liked that elf. Yeah, exactly.

26:50

So, okay. Anyway, or I guess

26:52

they could have like been separated

26:55

or something, but yeah. the fact

26:57

that like now the one person

26:59

who could have answered that question

27:01

for them is no longer living

27:03

right yeah so anyhow there they're

27:05

kind of like all debating debating

27:08

things and I like how we

27:10

get into this thing about how

27:12

Ron says like I don't know

27:14

it could have been Dumbledore's ghost

27:16

and Harry Dumboldor wouldn't come back

27:19

as a ghost there was little

27:21

about Dumboldor he was sure of

27:23

now but he knew that much

27:25

he would have gone on. Yeah,

27:27

I was quoting serious. And then

27:29

Ron, what do you mean gone

27:32

on? I mean, I'm repeating what

27:34

serious told me or what nearly

27:36

had this Nick told me about

27:38

serious. Right. So, yeah, he's... Ron

27:40

is definitely like I would say

27:43

out of the three of the

27:45

out of the trio Ron has

27:47

the most energy in this moment.

27:49

I feel like he's really like

27:51

somebody put a quarter in Ron

27:53

and he's right he's going through

27:56

all the theories right well I

27:58

think he's I don't know Hermine

28:00

has gone through torture. Harry's gone

28:02

through the grief of losing Dobby

28:04

and Ron, I mean, Ron was

28:07

sad about Dobby, but I don't

28:09

think Ron's quite as shaken up

28:11

as the two of them are

28:13

in this moment. Yeah, exactly. I

28:15

think, and he's also had his

28:17

little Christmas trip away to kind

28:20

of rejuvenate him. Yeah. Okay, so

28:22

then we get back to Gripook.

28:24

Gripook has made his decision that

28:26

he will allow them. to, he

28:28

will, he will help them to

28:31

break into, bring God's, provided that

28:33

he can have the sword. Um,

28:35

Ron, we can give you something

28:37

else. I'll bet the Lestrages have

28:39

got loads of stuff. You can

28:41

take your pick once we get

28:44

into the vault. He had said

28:46

the wrong thing. I am not

28:48

a thief boy. I am not

28:50

trying to procure treasures to which

28:52

I have no right. Yeah, that

28:54

was a fair thing. That was

28:57

what Ron said. That was a

28:59

pretty Phineas Night Jealous voice too,

29:01

I'm sorry. I didn't, I didn't,

29:03

I'll even think of that. I'll

29:05

even think of that. I am

29:08

not a thief, but no, I

29:10

can't do it right now. Okay,

29:12

okay. Yeah, so then this starts

29:14

a whole new, like, anti-goblin sentiment

29:16

from Ron, because grip hook wants

29:18

the sword and they're very like...

29:21

How are we going to do

29:23

this? Because we can't give away

29:26

the sword. It's our one. The

29:28

sword's been impregnated with Basilis venom.

29:30

It's their one way of destroying

29:32

Horcruck's is. You're a genius. Harry

29:34

says to her mighty, is it

29:36

true? Was the sword stolen by

29:38

Griffin? I don't know. Whistling history

29:40

often escapes over what the wizards

29:42

have done to other magical races,

29:45

but there's no account that I

29:47

know of that says Griffin or

29:49

sold the sword. It'll be one

29:51

of those. I suppose we should

29:53

think ourselves lucky as an asset

29:55

for one of our warms. Okay,

29:57

well, Ron, that was definitely Ron's,

29:59

like, most... Anti-Goblin statement. Yeah, at

30:02

least her mind is, her mind

30:04

he does call him out. She's

30:06

like, they have plenty of reasons

30:08

to dislike wizards. They're not exactly

30:10

fluffy little bunnies though, are they?

30:12

They fought dirty too. I like

30:14

how Ron's saying that without, without

30:16

having ever paid any attention. Right,

30:19

he knows so much about history.

30:21

Yeah, I'm sure he's just going

30:23

based on what he's heard. Right.

30:25

You know, people say over the

30:27

years. Yeah, these are probably talking

30:29

points that come up whenever they're

30:31

doing, whenever people are doing goblin

30:33

versus human or wizard's debates. It's

30:35

kind of, I mean, that's kind

30:38

of what people do is have

30:40

these specific talking points that I'm

30:42

sure. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, they kind

30:44

of like. Ron doesn't exactly like

30:46

change his mind. I wouldn't say

30:48

this is like I do think

30:50

Ron learns about house elves and

30:52

he becomes more like woke to

30:55

the house self-plate over the course

30:57

of the series, but I'm not

30:59

sure that that really happens with

31:01

goblins for him. No, and I

31:03

think it's kind of one of

31:05

those things which is a real

31:07

phenomenon of like humans don't really

31:09

change their minds about things until

31:11

they've been... exposed to something that

31:14

contradicts the generalization. And I mean,

31:16

not like, you know, not saying

31:18

that Ron is right to be

31:20

this way at all, but this

31:22

is a real phenomenon, like I

31:24

said, where until people have met

31:26

somebody that doesn't fit with what

31:28

they thought was right, then they're

31:31

kind of hold on to their

31:33

generalizations and prejudices. Right. Yeah, that's

31:35

true. And like with Dobby, that.

31:37

that changed Ron's mind about how

31:39

selves. And like, I mean, well,

31:41

Dobby didn't necessarily change, it was

31:43

kind of like meeting all those

31:45

how selves and seeing, I don't

31:48

know, I guess Dobby was the

31:50

one who changed his mind the

31:52

most, but whereas grip hook is

31:54

kind of confirming a lot of

31:56

the stuff that he believes about

31:58

goblets. Right, right, exactly. Which

32:00

is a little bit on the

32:03

author's part irresponsibly handling some topic

32:05

like this Well, I mean in

32:07

some ways yes, but in some

32:09

ways like I think it's like You

32:12

know, you can't just have every

32:14

Like marginalized character be a saint,

32:16

you know, yeah, and you also

32:18

can't have every like biased character

32:20

solve all their biases because that's

32:23

not really realistic either. But I'm

32:25

just saying like it's it's okay

32:27

I think to sometimes like to

32:30

have this complex character of grip

32:32

hook who isn't like a nice guy

32:34

like that's that's true. You know like

32:36

we don't have to have them all

32:39

be a model minority. Right exactly so

32:41

I mean grip hook is very complex.

32:43

And I think for the reader

32:45

is it is okay. It's okay

32:48

because like we get this We

32:50

get Hermine's perspective Hermine shares this

32:52

historical context that helps us

32:54

to understand Yeah, that's more.

32:56

That's a good point. Ron

32:58

doesn't totally get it, but

33:00

like I think as a

33:02

reader you do I think that's a

33:04

good point, yeah. Yeah. And I'm not,

33:07

you know, I'm obviously not trying to

33:09

like stand the author or anything, but

33:11

I think like it's more complex than

33:14

people sometimes give it credit for. Yeah,

33:16

I do agree with that. So,

33:18

and I personally think like Rip

33:20

Hook obviously is a flawed character,

33:23

but like, you know, he doesn't.

33:25

come across, like I think

33:27

once you've heard Hermione's backstory on

33:29

goblins and stuff, all his actions

33:32

make sense. Yeah, that is true.

33:34

And it's not like, you're like,

33:36

oh gosh, he's just greedy or

33:38

something like that, you know? Yeah,

33:40

I agree with that too. Ron here, he

33:42

then comes up with a, again, like

33:44

I said, I don't think Ron really learns

33:46

a whole lot. He doesn't really take in

33:48

what Hermione said that much, but... Ron comes

33:50

up because right after she says that he's

33:53

like we'll tell grip hook we need the

33:55

sword until we get inside the vault and

33:57

then he can have it. There's a fake

33:59

in these. in there isn't there,

34:01

we'll switch them and give

34:03

him the fake. It's like,

34:05

okay Ron, you're just like

34:07

playing straight into this whole

34:09

like wizards trying to dupe

34:12

goblins. Right, well then Harry

34:14

comes up with his plan

34:16

and a grin spread across

34:18

Rob's face. He's like way too

34:20

excited to dupe, to dupe grip

34:22

hook. Yeah, so they're very like,

34:24

yeah, I mean. I, I, you, it's one

34:26

of those things where it's like, okay,

34:28

I get it from their perspective because

34:31

they're trying to, they're trying to

34:33

get it. They do need the sword. Yeah,

34:35

they need the sword and they need to

34:37

get into green gods. So they're in a

34:40

pretty difficult position, but it's like, grip

34:42

hook ends up being like this

34:44

disposable figure to them that they're just

34:46

going to use for their own good.

34:48

And that's not really. Okay, yeah, I

34:50

just think I mean I agree

34:52

with what you're saying. I just

34:54

think for Ron like it's a

34:56

little bit Not great how excited

34:58

he is about I know I

35:00

know I agree with that I

35:03

think it's genius Yeah, he's again.

35:05

It's like his he just does

35:07

not like grip hook and just

35:09

generally I don't think he likes

35:11

goblins so he's like happy to

35:13

like pull on a pull a

35:15

fast one on him. Yeah, yeah Okay,

35:17

well, a little bit nicer

35:19

side plot. Lupin shows up.

35:21

They've had the baby, or

35:23

Tonks has had the baby. Why me,

35:26

a baby? Well, wait, was this loop

35:28

in there? I don't even know. Yeah,

35:30

yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. I am a

35:32

werewolf married to Nymphodora

35:35

Tonks, and you, the

35:37

secret keeper of shell cottage,

35:39

told me the address and

35:41

bade me come in an

35:43

emergency. Thank you lupin for answering

35:45

all the questions no one asked it

35:47

is I remis John lupin gosh lupin

35:49

is the biggest door quity and through

35:52

the room how exactly did you not

35:54

were you not clear that this was

35:56

lupin here because this is the iconic

35:59

yeah I I tried to skate

36:01

over, I kind of tried to

36:03

skate over that. Yeah, I think

36:05

you were, you had to have

36:07

been kidding. Is this little, I'm

36:09

not sure. Yes, yes, a boy.

36:11

Anyway, Ron's very excited. Blimely a

36:13

baby as if he had never

36:15

heard of such a thing before

36:18

and they didn't, like, they knew

36:20

this was going to be happening

36:22

soon. Right. I mean, I guess

36:24

this is the first, I mean,

36:26

I do think it is kind

36:28

of a. a like coming of

36:30

age moment when somebody you're friends

36:32

with has a baby and you're

36:34

not a kid yourself like I

36:37

do kind of remember being in

36:39

high school and like people that

36:41

I knew like who are like

36:43

you know 15 years older than

36:45

me having a kid and that

36:47

being like kind of a weird

36:49

not like it definitely is like

36:51

kind of a novel thing to

36:53

happen. Yeah really exciting. Yeah. So

36:56

I do kind of get his

36:58

reaction here because I do I

37:00

do have specific memories of like

37:02

seeing. somebody I do have a

37:04

kid and be like, wow, I

37:06

guess that is how that works.

37:08

Like, you know, yeah, blind me,

37:10

a baby, is that what you

37:12

said? Yeah, exactly. But I mean,

37:15

and it's nice that Ron's happy

37:17

for them, like, that's cute. Yeah.

37:19

So anyway, um, that... You'll be

37:21

godfather. We can ask Ron to

37:23

be godfather. Yeah, well, it's thanks

37:25

to Harry that floopin even went

37:27

back to Tonks. Yeah, exactly Yeah,

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one more night they kind

40:22

of have a Harry has

40:24

like a restless night and

40:26

he's you know really feeling

40:28

torn up about the fact

40:30

that they're going to be

40:32

potentially duping grip hook and

40:34

He's nervous about the whole

40:36

thing. Not potentially. They will

40:38

be. They're planning to do

40:40

grip hook. Right. So anyway,

40:43

but and he, Harry feels

40:45

like he hears Ron tossing

40:47

and turning as well. And

40:49

anyway, that morning they get

40:51

ready to go, Hermione's, Hermione

40:53

decides to transfigure Ron. Yeah,

40:55

so yeah, I forgot this

40:57

is not just this is

40:59

not just a Ron character

41:01

study. This is also a

41:04

Dragamir character study. Yeah, thank

41:06

you. I'm glad you're clarifying

41:08

that because Dragamir Despart is

41:10

probably one of the greatest

41:12

most underrated side plots of

41:14

the whole series. Oh yeah,

41:16

I prefer Ron Dragamir Despart.

41:18

I just think Ron missed

41:20

his calling as an actor.

41:22

For sure, he's really good.

41:25

So here's Ron's disguise. It's,

41:27

Harry feels like he can

41:29

kind of see Ron a

41:31

little bit, but he thinks

41:33

it's a very good disguise.

41:35

It says Ron's hair was

41:37

now long and wavy. He

41:39

had a thick brown beard

41:41

and mustache, no freckles, a

41:43

short broad nose and heavy

41:46

eyebrows. Well, he's not my

41:48

type, but he'll do. What

41:50

do you mean not your

41:52

type? Is Ron usually Harry's

41:54

type? Yeah, I want to

41:56

see me. Cute. So anyway,

41:58

that's Ron's. Harry's like, I

42:00

prefer them clean shaven, but

42:02

he'll do. And it says

42:04

that he feels like he,

42:07

it was. just possible to

42:09

discern Ron under his disguise,

42:11

but only Harry thought because

42:13

he knew him so well.

42:15

It was a mark of

42:17

the strength of their friendship

42:19

that Harry didn't laugh. It

42:21

was a mark of the

42:23

strength of their friendship that

42:25

Harry could discern him. Yeah,

42:28

exactly. Um, so Hermine is

42:30

Bellatrix and Ron is Dragamir

42:32

Despart and Harry and Grappook

42:34

are under the cloak together.

42:36

Yeah. And I love how

42:38

Dragamir Despart is a foreigner

42:40

who sympathizes with the Dark

42:42

Lord's aims. It's an amazing

42:44

costume. Yeah. He's there from

42:46

Transylvania. Really on the nose.

42:49

Right. They run into Travers,

42:51

the death eater. He speaks

42:53

very little English, but he

42:55

is in sympathy with the

42:57

Dark Lord's aims. He has

42:59

traveled here from Transylvania to

43:01

see our new regime. Yes.

43:03

Indeed, how do you do,

43:05

Dragamir? Ow you. I also

43:07

just like how... apparently this

43:10

like I mean they're they're

43:12

fooled by this costume so

43:14

it works I guess or

43:16

Travers is but I just

43:18

like the concept of Belatrix

43:20

being his like tour guide

43:22

I know that's hilarious like

43:24

his host in the country

43:26

right and and then he's

43:28

like Travers extended two fingers

43:31

and shook Ron's hand as

43:33

though frightened of dirtying himself

43:35

right so what brings you

43:37

and you and you and

43:39

you're Sympathetic friends to die

43:41

hang an alley this early.

43:43

Yeah, I need to visit

43:45

Grinkott's. Ah, gold. Filthy gold.

43:47

We cannot live without it.

43:49

Yet I confess I deplore

43:52

the necessity of consorting with

43:54

our long-fingered friends. No, never

43:56

misses, the death eaters, never

43:58

miss a chance to disparage

44:00

other wizarding. or other wizarding

44:02

world species. Right, but also

44:04

like, how poetic the way

44:06

he phrased that gold, long-fingered

44:09

friends. But yeah, but the

44:11

gold, filthy gold cannot live

44:13

without it. Yeah. Dork alert.

44:15

No kidding. You know what?

44:17

Travers would be a huge

44:19

fan of apple pay. Too

44:21

bad. Technology goes haywire around

44:24

Hawords. That's not the middleman.

44:26

Yeah, he wouldn't, they're not

44:28

able to use that though,

44:30

thanks to all the magic

44:32

and technology conflicting. Well, does

44:34

technology go haywire around Diagonale

44:37

too? Probably, I think it would

44:39

be the same thing, wouldn't it? I've

44:41

never read Diagonalia history, so I'm not

44:43

sure. But I think, I think it's

44:45

got to be the same thing, because

44:47

they're like, there's so much magic happening.

44:50

Yeah, it just goes haywireire. I'm sure.

44:52

I'm sure. Yeah, so anyhow. They head

44:54

to Gringots. I think the

44:56

best part about the conversation has

44:58

been starting to use the

45:00

word anyhow out of nowhere.

45:02

And I am not the

45:04

only one to notice that

45:06

because one of our listeners

45:08

pointed it out on Instagram.

45:11

What did I used to

45:13

say? Not anyhow, maybe any

45:15

way, but I don't think

45:17

anyhow was ever a word

45:19

that you said, but you've

45:21

been saying it so much.

45:23

Oh yeah, it is. But

45:25

it's not a word that

45:27

was in your vernacular. Okay,

45:29

well, anyhow. Yeah, exactly.

45:31

So they head into

45:33

Gringots and yeah, Iran is

45:35

not like heavily featured in

45:38

this, but he's there. He

45:40

gets his... Unfortunately, Dragamir is

45:42

not with us for much

45:44

longer because they get to

45:46

the thief's downfall. Right. His

45:48

disguise gets thrown off of

45:50

him. One more quick Travers

45:53

moment before that. Ah, probity

45:55

probes. So crude, but so

45:57

effective. Travers really has a way

45:59

with words. Yeah, also I like

46:01

how they're called probity probes.

46:03

That's so stupid. I feel

46:06

like Travers in another lifetime

46:08

would be good friends with

46:10

like loopin. Oh yeah, they'd

46:12

be dorky. Totally. I think

46:15

Travers in another lifetime does

46:17

improv theater too. Travers would

46:19

probably be also similar to

46:21

serious saying, priority and contotum.

46:24

The reverse spell effect. Or

46:29

he might also like dumbled

46:31

or he sounds kind of

46:33

like, for dreams we enter

46:35

a world which is entirely

46:38

all right. Okay so Ron

46:40

gets his drag a mirror

46:42

costume thrown off of him

46:44

by the thief's downfall it

46:46

washes away all enchantments all

46:49

magical concealment. Thank you for

46:51

explaining. Thank you Grappuk. Um,

46:53

so he's no longer Dragamir,

46:55

so we can say goodbye

46:57

to Dragamir, sadly. Quick sidebar.

47:00

Is that word pronounced deluge?

47:02

I always say it like

47:04

deluge. Okay, because I feel

47:06

like I've heard it pronounced

47:08

deluge, or like, it's like

47:11

that, I don't know. I

47:13

feel like I've heard it

47:15

pronounced multiple ways, and I

47:17

feel like it's like nayamata

47:19

for me, because I can't

47:22

say it. Yeah, yeah, you

47:24

sound good saying it that

47:26

way. Yeah. Let's hear what

47:28

dictionary.com has to say. Oh,

47:30

they say. Okay, deluge. Yeah,

47:33

deluge. Okay. Deluge. Okay. I

47:35

always say deluge, but I

47:37

don't know if that's just

47:39

me. Clearly. I feel like

47:41

I've heard deluge. I don't

47:44

ever say deluge. deluge, but

47:46

I guess it's deluge. I

47:48

don't know. It's weird. Yeah.

47:50

So anyway, they know there

47:52

are impostors in gringots. They

47:55

have set defenses off against

47:57

us. Okay, then they start

47:59

going. This is really

48:01

more of a grip hook character

48:04

study, I would say. Ron is

48:06

there for all of this. We

48:08

haven't done a grip hook, grip

48:11

hook, grip hook character study yet,

48:13

have we? Think so because yeah,

48:16

he's not really a character to

48:18

the seventh book I mean like

48:20

he was in the first book

48:23

So did we happen to have

48:25

him back then? I don't think

48:27

so Okay, it's not in the

48:30

I don't think he's in the

48:32

first book enough to have for

48:34

us to have given him real

48:37

weirdo Especially the way we were

48:39

doing real weirdos back then Yeah,

48:41

I just did a quick search

48:44

in our drive I don't see

48:46

anything grip hook so he doesn't

48:48

get to him. Yeah, well we've

48:51

kind of done a lot of

48:53

it already on this episode. That's

48:56

true. Yeah and also we're fine

48:58

with our being ourselves clearly. We're

49:00

okay with that. We tend to

49:03

do that sometimes occasionally. We've been

49:05

known to. Well anyhow in the

49:07

words of Alice. Yeah so Ron

49:10

is like I mean he's not

49:12

like not helpful but he's not

49:14

like the hero of this or

49:17

anything. He's just kind of there.

49:19

He's beardless and red haired again,

49:21

like you said. Yeah, and he's,

49:24

they get, they end up in

49:26

the, in the vault, they get

49:29

the, they end up getting the

49:31

cup, they end up on the

49:33

dragon and they make their escape.

49:36

So that kind of all just

49:38

happens. It's not really wrong specific.

49:40

Ron does get very mad about

49:43

how Gripuk double cross seven, her

49:45

body's like, well, we were planning

49:47

to do the same to him,

49:50

you know. Yeah, exactly. So, like,

49:52

that's the main thing is that,

49:54

yeah, Ron is, like, super, like,

49:57

that treacherous, little, whatever he says.

49:59

Right. Yeah, he's, like, venting about

50:01

it. He can't believe that Gripuk

50:04

did that. It's like, okay. Yeah,

50:06

like Hermione said that was kind

50:09

of the plan that you were

50:11

gonna do so right that treacherous

50:13

little bleeder Exactly that double-crossing little

50:16

scab. Yeah And then Ron also

50:18

has the the brilliant observation that

50:20

they can't wear the cup around

50:23

there next at least we can't

50:25

wear it this time that look

50:27

that look a bit weird hanging

50:30

around. Yeah, I would look a

50:32

bit weird having this vision and

50:34

like he realizes that they need

50:37

to get the hogwarts A.S.A.P. because

50:39

Voldemort has realized that the hore

50:42

crux is are being destroyed. Hogwarts.

50:44

Sorry did I say hog's mead?

50:46

Well you said hogwarts and you

50:49

have to clarify hogworts. Yeah out

50:51

of the all the hog locations

50:53

it's the hogworts. Exactly. So Harry

50:56

is like kind of just on

50:58

autopilot like going through what needs

51:00

to happen and recounting the vision.

51:03

You really understand him. Yeah. But

51:05

they don't have a plan. So

51:07

Hermione and Ron are a little

51:10

taken aback like they don't know

51:12

where they're going to be going

51:14

in Hogwarts. They just know they're

51:17

going to go there. But Harry's

51:19

like there's no time to waste.

51:22

We just need to go. And

51:24

so they go to Hogsmead. Hogsmead.

51:26

Hogsmead, sorry. And they end up

51:29

in Hogsmead. And they end up

51:31

with Aberforth. There is a nice

51:33

moment before that where Harry has

51:36

to cast the patrolist. And it

51:38

was of Ron and Romine that

51:40

he thought when he was said,

51:43

Expecto Petronum. Yeah. Oh, that is

51:45

sweet. Yeah. So anyway, they end

51:47

up finally with. Aberforth. Is it

51:50

Aberforth or Aberforth? And why do

51:52

I every time say it? It's

51:55

Aberforth. Okay, so they end up

51:57

with Aberforth. If you're level, you

51:59

could just call it. Abab. Right,

52:02

good old Ab. Good old Ab.

52:04

They end up with Aberforth and

52:06

Ron has a brilliant moment here

52:09

where Aberforth has no patience for

52:11

him because he started, he kind

52:13

of realizes that. He's kind of

52:16

like halfway there. He's like yeah,

52:18

he knows that Aberforth's been helping

52:20

So he's like the silver dough

52:23

was that you too and? Aberforth.

52:25

What are you talking about? Someone

52:27

sent a dough patroness to us

52:30

Brange like that. You could be

52:32

a death eater son How would

52:35

I just prove my patroness is

52:37

a goat? Oh, he

52:39

roasted him. Yeah, brains like

52:41

that, you could be a

52:43

deathier son. We're gonna start

52:45

saying that. Anytime somebody says

52:48

something dumb. Yeah, exactly. brains

52:50

like that, you could be

52:52

a death eater son. Yeah.

52:54

I feel bad for you,

52:56

son. Ron doesn't take it

52:58

too personally, though, I mean,

53:00

like, he kind of is,

53:02

but he's like, oh. Yeah,

53:04

well, I'm hungry. Yeah. Aberforth,

53:06

I got food. I got

53:09

food. Humblebrag. Weird flex, but

53:11

okay. Well, okay, well why

53:13

don't you share then, dude?

53:15

Care to share with the

53:17

class? Okay, so then obviously

53:19

we get Aberforth's story about

53:21

Ariana and Ron isn't like...

53:23

super reactive to it but

53:25

it says he looks slightly

53:27

sick and then like after

53:30

after the story's over he

53:32

looks really pale so it

53:34

obviously like upsets him yeah

53:36

I can't blame him for

53:38

that one no but that's

53:40

pretty much the end of

53:42

their like time in Hogg's

53:44

Mead so they're gonna head

53:46

to Hogg Ward soon But

53:48

we're going to stop there

53:51

for now and we'll... resume

53:53

this next week and next

53:55

week I was gonna say

53:57

a content warning for next

53:59

week we're gonna be talking

54:01

about the kiss whoa this

54:03

is gonna be getting me

54:05

on here kisses will be

54:07

discussed next episode so listen

54:09

at your own risk that's

54:11

right it's gonna be A

54:14

little more than PG. As

54:16

the Babysitters Club Club boys

54:18

would call it kiss crimes

54:20

will be committed. Yeah, well,

54:22

it's going to be fun.

54:24

I think next week we're

54:26

going to see a bit

54:28

more character development from Ron.

54:30

We're going to get to

54:32

see a kiss. Yeah, Harry

54:35

Snog Cho-Chang! Exactly. But I

54:37

think, you know, Ron had

54:39

a good week. Like I

54:41

said it wasn't anything like...

54:43

super heavy character development, but

54:45

he was he was mostly

54:47

showing his maturity minus the

54:49

goblin plot Yeah, definitely and

54:51

that's not that's more just

54:53

like a ignorance thing. So

54:56

more more than immature. Well,

54:58

it's more of like just

55:00

he's always the go-to emblem

55:02

of how the wizarding world

55:04

feels. Yeah, exactly. So it's

55:06

realistic. It's something that hopefully

55:08

he can grow and change

55:10

in the future, but we

55:12

don't get to see that

55:14

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