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Can't believe she had to watch that Abby

1:26

you gonna die I said

1:28

slow terrible freaking death

1:30

dude You got it coming. I

1:33

said everyone inside is screwed our outside

1:35

people are safe. I mean,

1:37

I've never been that wrong in my life. Yeah,

1:39

I Can't believe

1:42

that just happened Wow

1:44

That was

1:46

insane Well

1:49

gang is he just not in the

1:51

show now. I'm just pissed. That's what

1:53

it feels like That's

1:55

how it seems. I'm like is it possible

1:57

in the body bag that he can

1:59

get out like there's some special cordyceps

2:01

that will yeah Blood save him

2:03

some hat like because oh

2:05

could her blood say no, I

2:07

don't think babe I don't know

2:09

maybe not from regular

2:12

murder I don't like

2:14

this Well, they're the there

2:16

are the show I just

2:21

And Abby killed him in cold blood,

2:23

and he saved her life. That is

2:25

different than what Joel did, although I

2:27

understand from her perspective, it's not. Well,

2:30

yeah, from her perspective, I'm sure it's like

2:32

divine providence that he should be the one. I'm

2:34

sure there's some kind of conflict that we'll

2:36

touch on at some point about how, like, he

2:38

picked you up and, you know, in good

2:40

faith tried to save you. But I mean, yeah,

2:42

given what her backstory is, like, what

2:45

life? You know, with that and

2:47

yeah, it's the exact kind of

2:49

motivation that a million protagonists have

2:51

that we're fine with them killing

2:53

whoever to, you know, get to

2:55

the bottom. Yeah. Cause they, cause he

2:57

killed, you know, 18 and for friends,

2:59

family, whatever they were, I get it, but

3:01

like. And the whole

3:03

unarmed, we don't shoot unarmed people

3:05

thing like certainly resonates there too.

3:07

And at the end of season

3:09

one, you do have that thought in

3:11

your mind of like, man, Joel's,

3:13

Joel's going. Down you know with the

3:15

Marlene part deep end. Yeah, I wonder

3:18

though if Ellie and

3:20

Abby can end the cycle because

3:22

I Don't want it in

3:24

the cycle. I'm pissed at her.

3:26

I want Abby to frickin

3:28

die. Yeah, I I agree with

3:30

you like hard to be

3:33

in this moment sane But I

3:35

agree that's like the like what

3:37

you're saying rocks is like the

3:39

better way because so that we're not constantly

3:41

at odds with the fireflies because then how

3:43

do we actually fight all of these cordyceps

3:45

who are now in the town and gonna

3:48

take all of us over. We have to

3:50

find a way to get together. It's

3:52

just like even

3:54

the people around Abby

3:56

were even looking at her prior

3:58

to her even the golf

4:00

club being like, I don't

4:02

know how they, they don't feel good

4:04

about it. Like even the girl was like,

4:07

I'm sorry, I have to put Dina

4:09

to sleep. And each one of them had

4:11

a very specific pickup of sort of

4:13

looking at Abby like they were unsure, even

4:15

though five years they've been talking about

4:17

this. So it's only good writing they

4:20

would continue. None of them seemed

4:22

unsure that he should die. They all were

4:24

on that page of five years, but

4:26

she's how long, you know, like how, how,

4:28

how she was going about it, I

4:30

think. Yeah. None of them seemed okay with

4:32

that, but also nobody, none of them

4:34

stopped her. I agree with you. And that

4:36

guy knew he was gonna kick Elle

4:38

in the face when she's crying on the

4:40

ground. And she's like, let him go.

4:42

And I'm like, they're leaving. And he goes

4:44

to kick her in the face. I'm

4:46

like, you all need to die now. I'm

4:48

kind of surprised. And this isn't fair

4:50

to say about her, but that Ellie wasn't

4:52

able to do more in this scenario. Yeah.

4:55

Like she walks in and she

4:57

gets stripped of her weapon, you

4:59

know, like, and she had the

5:01

leg up of like the element

5:03

of surprise. And I'm sure

5:05

that's playing in her head too. Like why

5:07

couldn't I have saved him and then she

5:09

has to watch it? Yeah, cuz not even

5:11

Dina had to watch it, you know like

5:13

well And she's probably too and in sort

5:15

of a shook up place because she's already

5:17

heard on the radio like they're looking for

5:20

Joel something's up with Joel She wanted to

5:22

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5:24

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Was there music when this ended

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is that what happened why we

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just jumped into it because there

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was no music We just started

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talking. I feel like a blackout.

7:13

What happened. think we were Yeah,

7:15

I think yeah, just leaves you

7:17

in that shock place and then

7:19

you know because yeah, like especially

7:21

on the second episode It's funny

7:23

Especially and not to say that

7:25

either is related because obviously the

7:27

game for this preseason I'm I'm

7:30

going to assume this is what

7:32

happens in the game Imagine if

7:34

it's not Oh my god, I

7:36

remember that like I remember all

7:38

I know about the last of

7:40

us to really is that it's

7:42

a very divisive game and Like

7:44

this bit amongst fans. They're split

7:46

50 50 on how they feel

7:48

about it. Yeah, some people really

7:50

love love that game Some people

7:52

really hate what they did with

7:54

that game. Where are people at

7:56

Greg and and Andrew? I don't

7:58

know where Aaron and Andrew are necessarily.

8:00

I remember Greg saying that at first he

8:02

was certainly like upset and taken aback

8:04

at certain elements. And I don't know if

8:06

that only means this or if it

8:09

means anything else, but yeah, but that it's

8:11

one of his favorite games of all

8:13

time, you know, and that the story, he's

8:15

always talked up the quality of the

8:17

story. So, you know, I

8:19

had somebody tweet at me this week

8:21

and say, I hope you like golf.

8:23

with no context. Oh, there you have

8:26

it. There you have it. And

8:28

I'm just running that in my head now.

8:30

Yep. Yep. I got it and

8:32

was like, what a

8:34

weird thing to message me with didn't

8:36

say anything about last about just said,

8:38

I hope you like golf. And I

8:40

was like, huh. Gonna go play I

8:42

have no feelings on it actually go

8:44

play 18 Joel's so this must be

8:47

once in the game It must be

8:49

yeah, and I and Abby I believe

8:51

is a divisive character and now we

8:53

know why I tell you guys something

8:55

I think that was the wrong move

8:57

and maybe I won't buy the end

8:59

of the season okay, but I like

9:01

Plot wise I actually don't I wish

9:04

they didn't do that It's not like

9:06

a sad death like Ned Stark's death Where

9:09

I was like, oh, this is

9:11

the this is the impetus for the

9:13

rest and like I actually think

9:15

they should not have killed him and

9:17

again I might eat chrome eat

9:19

my words, but like this show to

9:21

me the best part of the

9:23

show is the two of them so

9:25

I I actually Don't feel like

9:27

I'm looking forward to this show as

9:29

much anymore, which I'm again I

9:31

can feel totally different by the end,

9:33

but that is how I feel

9:35

right now I don't blame you and

9:37

I feel I have a sneaking

9:39

suspicion that probably a lot of people

9:41

wouldn't because I have a feeling

9:43

this is probably again just speculating about

9:45

how this relates to the game.

9:48

I feel like that was probably a

9:50

moment where a lot of people

9:52

would rage quit and then cool off,

9:54

maybe come back and give the,

9:56

you know, yeah, exactly. See if the

9:58

rest of the story can earn

10:00

this. And I am, yeah, curious because

10:02

there are aspects of this in

10:04

terms of Just yeah, just the enjoyment

10:06

of watching Pedro Pascale and Bella

10:08

Ramsey together Joel and Ellie as characters

10:10

You know, obviously you wish you

10:12

had more time before this shocking turn

10:14

of events comes down the pike

10:16

but at the same time if you

10:18

really want something like that to

10:20

hit and Also encapsulate that sort of

10:22

like anything can happen sort of

10:24

violent nature of a reality such as

10:26

this one You're like you're sitting

10:29

there in the moment. You're like what

10:31

could they possibly do to? Like

10:33

the only thing I could think of is

10:35

like oh her her need to torture him

10:37

will be the thing that creates an out

10:39

or Or create some kind of opportunity for

10:41

him to escape for now even if she

10:43

does kill him down the line or something

10:46

like that You know like they introduced this

10:48

character very pointedly in the first episode you

10:50

don't spend much time with her but you

10:52

do get a very clear idea of her

10:54

motivation and so yeah here I think it

10:56

is interesting in a structural

10:58

sense because you're not expecting this to

11:00

happen and everything you know about television

11:02

structure tells you like oh well there's

11:04

got to be something and especially on

11:06

the heels of a moment in the

11:08

alleyway with Tommy where he's like you

11:10

know exhausting the flamethrower and then just

11:12

in the nick of time the big

11:14

dude keels over because it was just

11:16

enough he's finally cooked just to the

11:19

right temperature he's no longer able to

11:21

move. And, uh, yeah, like it's,

11:23

it is maddening, which I think is like

11:25

kind of bold and audacious. It's been a

11:27

while since Endgame of Thrones is a prime

11:29

example that loses this quality over time. But

11:31

yeah, where you feel like, oh, damn, anything

11:33

can happen and nobody is safe. And

11:36

this is episode two. Yeah. Well, it

11:38

makes me think of what I, what I

11:40

know about the new Darren the devil

11:42

show, because they, I think there's a major

11:44

sort of character death early on that.

11:46

people weren't expecting that informs most of, or

11:49

a lot of things about the season.

11:51

That's episode one. You expected it on a

11:53

premiere or finale. This is episode

11:55

two. Tara, are you more or

11:57

less excited about the show now that

11:59

he's got like, what's your response to that?

12:01

I'm just mad right now. I'm not

12:03

as excited. She's sitting there going like this.

12:06

I'm like still in shock.

12:08

I do think that writing

12:10

wise, Uh, they had to,

12:13

because it had been five

12:15

years, you have to have

12:17

Abby have the conviction to

12:19

kill him when she has

12:21

the opportunity. I thought there

12:23

might be something that would

12:25

come in or that L

12:27

would come in, get a

12:29

shot off, you know, and

12:31

like he could maybe still

12:33

live. But right now I'm

12:36

like, ah, what?

12:40

Uh, I was stoked on this

12:42

episode, meaning how they're opening it

12:44

with the weapons going down. I

12:46

thought it was really smart. It's

12:49

really great to look at when

12:51

they, when they use like, when

12:53

they're intelligent about how do we

12:55

kill these MRFers and put the

12:57

gasoline takes down. I love that.

12:59

Shoot into it. Let's fricking go. I'm

13:02

like, Oh, this is so exciting.

13:04

It's, it's so great. And then I'm

13:06

like, maybe the town won't make

13:08

it. but like Joel and Elle well

13:11

right uh no but the town

13:13

is like exactly like oh we'll get

13:15

the two of them back out

13:17

on the road like last time it's

13:19

just like it's like I don't

13:21

I don't know man I don't know

13:23

I I'm not excited but I'm

13:25

interested to see what the next episode

13:27

holds for us if it takes

13:29

place right after the fact or if

13:32

they time jump a little bit.

13:34

I mean, that town, they got a

13:36

wild cleanup, all those dead bodies

13:38

up in there. I don't know how

13:40

they're gonna deal with that. And

13:42

now coming back, you know, Joel's dead.

13:45

And was Dina on the other horse

13:47

right back? Yeah, she was. She

13:49

was awake and going and it's like,

13:51

I just... I don't know. I'm

13:53

I'm still in shock. I just I'm

13:56

that's it I don't have any

13:58

more words. He's been doing press all

14:00

for the whole season So I'm

14:02

wondering are we gonna get are we

14:04

gonna flash instead of Tara? You're

14:06

saying we can go forward Are we

14:08

gonna go back and see more

14:10

of the what's happened the last five

14:12

years so that we can keep

14:14

Pedro in the show? Oh That's a

14:16

good. That's a good idea because

14:18

we kind of don't know why they

14:20

were so tumultuous Right after he

14:22

said I promise you right and then

14:24

maybe she really thought things but

14:26

then what happened after the five years

14:28

that they were so sort of

14:30

separated meaning Joel and Elle I don't

14:32

know because otherwise he's not in

14:35

the show unless he becomes some kind

14:37

of force ghost with her like

14:39

even in her mind what he would

14:41

feel or think which maybe they

14:43

have a taxidermy Joel in the town

14:46

Oh my god, yeah, they just

14:48

get like a speaker and someone

14:50

does like a recording of him

14:52

saying fun phrases It's like Tommy

14:54

is clear I think his relationship

14:56

with Ellie is gonna become next

14:58

level strong But I do really

15:00

wonder just technically speaking would Pedro

15:02

have done all of this press

15:04

with Bella to be in two

15:07

episodes. I think so, because it

15:09

would be too much. I can't

15:11

stand you guys right now. I

15:13

think you're right, but I'm pissed at you.

15:15

It be so weird if he didn't show up

15:17

for the press on this because he's been

15:19

so positive about the show. Everyone loves him on

15:21

the show. Like, yeah, it would be, it

15:23

would be either a sign that something is wrong

15:25

or a cause for people to go out

15:27

and be like, well, that's because, and then, you

15:30

know, do you guys think how many episodes

15:32

is this season 10? I

15:34

don't know somewhere between eight and

15:36

ten is my guess so he's

15:38

been in one and two how

15:40

many total episodes do you think

15:42

he's gonna be in this season

15:44

I don't even know you think

15:47

this is the last that we're

15:49

gonna see if him no the

15:51

flashback I think you're right so

15:53

four okay I'm very fascinated to

15:55

know yeah it's either all of

15:57

them or we're done I know

16:00

I mean one flashback episode I

16:03

like want to just go like

16:05

bury my head in water. I know.

16:07

Yeah, it's so depressing. Yeah, and

16:09

yeah, it's that thing where like it

16:11

starts to do the reality starts

16:13

to dawn on you like there's a

16:15

point in during They're you

16:17

know, we're used to watching so much stuff

16:19

where they try and fake you out that

16:21

the main character is gonna die or one

16:23

of the main characters gonna die and That

16:26

I wouldn't let it go. I was like

16:28

no. No, he's good in the back Yeah,

16:30

I know I was like and then you

16:32

said her blood and I was like yeah,

16:34

I give her your blood and he maybe

16:36

he'll survive Cuz yeah, it speaks that part

16:38

of you that's kind of like willing to

16:40

try anything and I like I like I

16:42

like that in the sense that, like, it's

16:44

definitely creating a feeling. It's definitely had me

16:46

engaged emotionally and intellectually as a viewer, bargaining

16:48

with the situation, bargaining with, again, what we

16:50

know about TV and how these stories tend

16:53

to go. So, like, on the one

16:55

hand, I'm, like, very bold, very audacious, because, again, like,

16:57

we were sitting there going, like, no, he's got

16:59

to get out, right? And, you know, it's only episode

17:01

two. But at the same

17:03

time, like, what an inciting incident for

17:05

the story. And then the question to

17:07

me also becomes then like, you know,

17:09

I know some people rage quit the

17:11

game and still last of us part

17:13

two, the game has, you know, a

17:15

lot of acclaim and is a very

17:17

successful game from what I understand. So

17:19

it's not like it torpedoed it. But

17:21

at the same time, I'm like, I

17:23

wonder if a certain amount of viewers

17:25

will just tune out after this, or,

17:27

you know, if everybody will kind of

17:29

have that reaction of like, well, I

17:31

don't like it, but let's see where

17:33

this goes. And like think we have.

17:36

to see everybody's got to see but

17:38

I know I'm so with you I'm

17:40

here's something I'm curious about that is

17:42

related to his death but is moving

17:44

off of it for a second kind

17:46

of so here's what we know Dina

17:48

is passed out while the fireflies tell

17:50

the story kind of of what happened

17:52

so if she had the ability to

17:54

hear at all She might know some

17:56

of what happened even if she doesn't

17:58

what she does know is that these

18:00

are like the remaining Fireflies because that's

18:02

before she was passed out. She was

18:04

like putting pieces together or that they

18:06

were after Joel Yeah, so she's definitely

18:08

everybody so she's definitely good well more

18:10

so than that Ellie right now has

18:12

no idea why they just killed Joel

18:14

So Dina is gonna be able to

18:16

fill in some pieces for her and

18:19

I wonder if Ellie's gonna be able

18:21

to immediately connect That she was

18:23

that he killed everybody in the hospital and

18:25

and that when he said I swear that

18:27

was not true And this was the vengeance

18:29

from that like because we still don't believe

18:31

that she knows that at least for the

18:33

best of our knowledge And I wonder also

18:35

based on what I said last week What

18:37

Tommy knows and what blanks he'll be able

18:39

to fill in so I do think a

18:42

lot of this is gonna be a puzzle

18:44

for Ellie now about why did they just

18:46

so viciously murder him and What am I?

18:48

Yeah, is it possible that? really

18:51

because remember when he was like there

18:53

was a bunch of people there that all

18:55

had your exact same kind of blood

18:57

last season he says everybody had your blood

18:59

they were doing all these trials and

19:01

then they figured out none of you guys

19:03

would work but none of that was

19:06

true nobody else has her blood and she's

19:08

the only one so now is she

19:10

gonna go on a martyr tour you know

19:12

like is she gonna try to just

19:14

so many questions yeah yeah I mean that's

19:16

the thing I think that's the fun aspect

19:19

of something like this is it

19:21

doesn't just leave you shocked and

19:24

enraged it also then gets your

19:26

brain worrying and turning and yeah

19:28

like what if It's because we

19:30

started off the season again checking

19:32

in with that crucial last moment

19:34

and that look they share on

19:36

the hillside click clearly it seems

19:38

to me at least that Yeah,

19:40

so much of the past five

19:42

years has been flavored by this

19:45

deception and this like hurt

19:47

trust between them and so

19:49

like I could imagine it

19:51

being a very fascinating thing

19:53

to keep Joel's presence around

19:55

by interrogating him through how

19:57

Ellie and Abby both see

19:59

him or something like that

20:01

because they've got across paths

20:03

again and obviously Ellie you

20:05

know just made the same

20:07

promise to Abby that Abby

20:09

made to Joel so You

20:12

know, I think there's a lot

20:14

of interesting stuff that you can get

20:16

from the two of them colliding

20:18

and the fact that, you know, yeah,

20:20

how, you know, Ellie is very

20:22

much her own person and, you know,

20:24

is very much of her own

20:26

mindset. And so part of me is

20:28

like, I could imagine either scenario

20:31

equally, more so the scenario where

20:33

she kills her, I guess. But

20:35

at the same time, I could almost

20:37

imagine her with the right context. Pivoting

20:40

off of that to something else. I

20:42

don't know what that something else would

20:44

be And I don't know if I'm

20:46

not saying it's like they're gonna team

20:49

up or something, but like I don't

20:51

know like it's it It seems like

20:53

yeah that tension of okay revenge mission

20:55

is going to feel lot of the

20:57

action But I also feel like they

20:59

will likely take the opportunity to have

21:01

like a real debate make use this

21:04

for the dramatic debate of everything and

21:06

to again if if all of us

21:08

viewers are patient and willing to take

21:10

us on a ride to yeah sort

21:12

of see if somebody who at the

21:14

moment is so hateable you know could

21:16

be redeemed because again it's like yeah

21:18

it's it's in that moment and when

21:21

you're you know sort of at the

21:23

receiving end of her you know hurt

21:25

and ire it's easy to be in

21:27

Joel's perspective but they do draw again

21:29

a motivation and the kind of character

21:31

it's like how many times have you

21:33

seen something where the protagonist the other

21:35

person on their squad is like oh

21:38

man i think you're a little too

21:40

Far down the rabbit hole, you know,

21:42

so yeah, it's like it's it's so

21:44

clearly kind of able to function in

21:46

both Perspectives but also our perspective of

21:48

it, which is like when she when

21:50

Abby says to Joel I heard you

21:53

couldn't even look at him when you

21:55

shot him about her dad about the

21:57

doctor and the juxtaposition of that with

21:59

her Beating him slowly. Yeah Like, you

22:01

guys are two different kind of killers.

22:03

Yeah. Well, yeah, because I was like,

22:05

I don't care who you are. I

22:07

just need to save Ellie. And this

22:10

is like, you are the one, you

22:12

know, yeah, you are the direct target

22:14

of all of my hurt and anger.

22:17

Right. And if it wasn't for all of her friends, I

22:19

think she would have killed Dina and I think she would

22:21

have killed Ellie. I don't even

22:23

think she cared anymore because they were like,

22:25

no, we don't hurt them. But without them,

22:27

I think she would have killed all of

22:29

them. Yeah, I mean

22:31

she did ultimately break her rule. She's like,

22:33

you know, yeah, she's like we have this

22:35

rule I'm not gonna follow it. Yeah, right.

22:37

Well, she's like I am you know, I'm

22:39

not gonna kill you yet because you can't

22:42

defend yourself and then you know, she died

22:44

I get it, you know, the situation's changed

22:46

They got to get out of there, but

22:48

at the same time if you want to

22:50

argue semantically about it. She did Ultimately kill

22:52

somebody who wasn't able to defend themselves at

22:54

the time Jesse is my dude. Love Jesse.

22:56

Yeah, me too. And I really and this

22:58

was true Tommy yeah, Tommy And

23:00

I'm gonna call her Tara forever. What

23:02

is his wife's character's name? Maria. Is it?

23:04

I don't know. I'll get it locked

23:06

down by last time because I love there

23:09

by next time because the two of

23:11

their Is it Maria? It

23:13

might be. Let's call it from Maria for

23:15

now. The two of their relationship is really

23:17

lovely and I liked how not any of

23:19

the names on the screen is it? Not

23:21

the usual. But apparently they got a mother

23:23

daughter team to play Vanessa and Vanessa's mother,

23:25

so there's that. Um,

23:27

yeah, I really like their just

23:29

quality as both individual and,

23:31

uh, you know, a pair, a

23:34

couple, uh, and just the

23:36

way that they're trading these looks

23:38

across the, the, you know,

23:40

carnage as the, you know, I

23:43

don't need this, not a raid, but, you know,

23:45

as all the infected are breaking through. It's

23:47

kind of a raid. Yeah, as

23:49

they're raiding for fresh meat. Yeah,

23:52

I liked the tension of that. And certainly,

23:54

again, it's very pointed that they're trying to

23:56

be like, was Maria gonna die? Is Tommy

23:58

gonna die? And I think

24:00

this is a smart episode in that,

24:02

again, I think any zombie show like

24:04

this, Walking Dead, was certainly a victim

24:06

of this. People were like, where's my

24:09

zombie action? So this gives you one

24:11

half that's very physical, very sort of

24:13

primal, just we gotta survive, we gotta

24:15

shoot and burn. And then the other

24:17

side, which is the example opposite kind

24:19

of tension, which is just like close

24:21

quarters, you know, a couple people and

24:23

just a situation that's reaching a boiling

24:25

point, you know, and so like, you

24:28

know, smart and momentous and, you know,

24:30

like a big crescendo. Like

24:33

all the little things I think are

24:35

great and they have been since the first

24:37

season It's just like the way they

24:39

throw away certain lines the way they make

24:41

it feel lived in especially those early

24:43

moments between Jesse and and Ellie Or moments

24:45

between Tommy and Maria or other characters

24:47

like they they're really good at making it

24:49

feel lived in and having a certain

24:51

amount of endearing personality Along with you know,

24:53

there's just the coolness of the world

24:56

and then the situation and stuff like that

24:58

remind me why you call Maria terror

25:00

She's on True Blood and her name is

25:02

Tara. Oh, not our Tara.

25:04

That's the main place I've seen. like, because they

25:06

do look so much alike. Yeah, no, no,

25:08

it's a spitting image. But yeah, because

25:10

I, you know, I'm sure she's done

25:12

other stuff, but, but yeah, like it's another

25:14

HBO. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah,

25:16

you told me last week I just forgot

25:19

that I was looking at Tara. I

25:21

was like, hmm. Yeah, True Blood. I came

25:23

into this being pretty good mood and

25:25

I'm depressed AF. I'm sad. This

25:27

like took the wind out of my freaking

25:29

sales. I can't believe it. This least

25:31

talkative you've ever been. I just can't. I'm

25:33

in shock. I literally am just like,

25:35

I just, I'm listening to what you guys

25:37

are saying, just going, F this. I

25:39

can't believe this. F this. I can't believe

25:41

this. F this. I can't believe it.

25:43

Like I'm going to have to turn on

25:45

the TV and Joel's legit dad. I

25:47

can't be doing that. Well, you

25:49

know, maybe they'll weaken a Bernie's. I

25:55

would be okay even

25:58

with them retconning it

26:00

next episode. JK, anything

26:03

to keep him here.

26:05

Like he breaks through

26:07

the bag and is

26:10

like And I'm like,

26:12

thank you. I don't even care. care.

26:14

I don't care. Like, even if it's a

26:16

worst writing ever, and it's like, that

26:18

doesn't make sense. I'll give enough. He's alive.

26:20

Yeah, I'm with you. No joke. I

26:22

feel right now. My

26:24

prediction for the next episode would be that

26:26

I bet they'll start on like a funeral

26:28

pyre just to really let us know. That

26:30

he's actually dead. Because the one last bit

26:32

of saving grace is like, well, we cut

26:34

to credits. You never know what waits next

26:36

week. Like, I have a feeling they're going

26:38

to start off with either Tommy

26:40

and Maria finding out or something. Yeah,

26:43

some way to remind us like

26:45

this is having this is the worst

26:47

Passover present ever No, maybe that's

26:49

yeah, maybe Joel will rise again in

26:51

three days Easter. This is your

26:53

this is the worst Passover Easter present

26:55

ever seen ever Yeah, if Joel's

26:58

gonna rise from the dead your week

27:00

off game better All right Well,

27:02

and I guess that's the other thing

27:04

is I guess I'm curious Yeah

27:06

to your question before how they will

27:08

if they will use that five -year

27:10

gap as an excuse to have

27:13

him appear more I'm okay with that.

27:15

Do what you do And

27:18

I guess that will be kind of one of

27:20

the big question marks now because from what I

27:22

remember again, I haven't played the games yet. You

27:25

know, our hope is that once the show

27:27

is done, we can do some kind of

27:29

fun way of actually walking through the games

27:31

and filling in the rest of the context

27:33

and experience. But one thing I remember hearing

27:36

people say about the first season, which was

27:38

very well liked, very well loved, was that,

27:40

you know, the choice on how to pace

27:42

certain events from the game maybe could have

27:44

been better. Certain things last longer in the

27:46

game or you get to live in a

27:48

little more in the game. Certain characters, you

27:50

are a little more impactful or whatever and

27:52

so part of me is a little taken

27:54

aback at that five -year time gap even

27:56

though I mean I guess just watching them

27:58

hang out for five years is like nice

28:00

and pleasant but you know not necessarily what

28:02

is like the priority of the drama here. And

28:06

obviously if they handle the pacing of

28:08

this in the present and solely the

28:10

present really well then that can speak

28:12

for itself But it does make me

28:14

wonder again on the heels of that

28:16

particular gripe for season one if We

28:18

will get any sort of a look

28:20

back on the recent past I don't

28:22

know exactly what revelations you could get

28:24

out of it because I feel like

28:26

part of their relationship up till now

28:28

has been Predicated on the fact that

28:30

they're not communicating right there aren't many

28:32

big revelations But yeah, that's

28:34

the one kind of curiosity I have at

28:36

the moment is sort of like, oh, how

28:39

is this going to feel in totality? Because

28:41

again, I feel like it's dramatically sound to

28:43

make this death feel sudden and like a

28:45

rug has been swept down from under you

28:47

and do it in a way that, yeah,

28:49

is audacious and it's going to make people

28:51

mad and it's going to make people feel

28:53

bleak and upset. Yeah,

28:56

and like now it's about kind of

28:58

earning that to the point where you can

29:00

look back and go damn I didn't

29:02

like that choice, but you know that was

29:04

the choice for the story Yeah, I'm

29:06

hoping I feel that way but speaking of

29:08

totality if I tell you guys Greg

29:10

told me that this show is set to

29:13

be four seasons and that the second

29:15

game is the three Season

29:17

two, three and four. Jesus Christ.

29:19

I didn't double check it because I'm not

29:21

looking up anything to him, but that is

29:23

what he said to me. Because now I'm

29:25

like, is the second game considerably longer or

29:27

are they? Who knows if he's right, maybe

29:29

he's wrong, but that's what he claimed. Well,

29:31

I have at least heard and a while

29:33

ago in the lead up to this, but

29:36

yeah, that it would at least be three

29:38

odd or maybe even beyond three seasons and

29:40

that they weren't going to go beyond the

29:42

games and make it. You know, there's all

29:44

sorts of debate about like, Will they make

29:46

Last of Us 3? And Naughty

29:48

Dog, the developer, has sort of said

29:50

multiple times. Don't expect that necessarily.

29:52

If we have the exact perfect

29:54

story we want to tell, we'll do

29:56

it. But right now, it's not

29:58

at that point. His name is Naughty

30:00

Dog. the develop the company. Neil

30:02

truckman is the main like the guy

30:04

credited. Oh, you are naughty dog.

30:06

But yeah, naughty dog. See what you

30:08

did to Tara? You not a

30:10

dog. Not a dog. You not a

30:13

dog. You ruined me. But

30:15

yeah, because, because hearing that,

30:17

yeah, I started to think to

30:19

myself like, man, they're going to make like

30:21

three odd seasons out of this second

30:23

game then. And I again, remember people sort

30:25

of lamenting that the first season may

30:27

be wasn't a bit longer. So

30:29

part of me wonders if they're in

30:31

light of the first season, kind of

30:33

looking at the response and readjusting how

30:35

they do the adaptation or maybe part

30:37

of the first season, we go back

30:39

and see things that we missed. Could

30:41

be. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, it's

30:44

either like the second game is like so much

30:46

longer that it just lends itself to way

30:48

more TV or they're sort of tweaking the way

30:50

that they're doing this. Or yeah, they're going

30:52

to add more first season stuff. I don't know.

30:54

But I am fascinated to find out. Do

30:56

we have any other remaining

30:58

thoughts before we go fall face

31:00

down and cry? All right.

31:02

Well gang, leave us your thoughts

31:04

to catch eventually and you know, sorry,

31:07

go hug someone you love. Go

31:09

treat yourself to something nice. Maybe go

31:11

like find a friend who has

31:13

a puppy and just pet him for

31:15

an hour straight. We'll catch you

31:17

on the next one and thanks for

31:19

suffering with us.