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notes. Enjoy. I was interested really

0:48

in the transcendental

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experience, a transcendental

0:52

moment. So when I started teaching

0:54

this work, I taught the work because

0:56

people were asking, how do you do

0:58

it? Like, how do you change your

1:01

life? And what does it mean to

1:03

change? And so I want to provide

1:05

people the information, where they

1:07

can actually learn the information, make

1:10

new connections in their brain. That's

1:12

what learning is. Repeat what they've

1:14

learned to the person next to

1:16

them, you know, build a model

1:18

of understanding so you can remember

1:21

it, remind yourself what you've learned

1:23

because it's so much easier to

1:25

forget this information than to remember

1:27

it. So create a new level

1:29

of mind, take away all the

1:32

doubt, the conjecture, the superstition, the

1:34

dogma, and so that the person

1:36

can actually understand what

1:38

they're doing and why they're doing so

1:40

the how gets easier. And when... The

1:42

how gets easier, we assign meaning to

1:44

the act because we understand what we're

1:47

doing and when we do that, we

1:49

want a greater outcome. So I want

1:51

to give people the information and I

1:53

looked at all the latest research that

1:55

pointed the finger at human potential and

1:57

human possibility. I had my own personal experience.

1:59

with a personal injury, we

2:01

talked about it last time, I

2:04

studied spontaneous remissions, I wanted to

2:06

see what people had in common

2:08

with each other, and I couldn't

2:10

find the explanation pretty much in

2:12

contemporary texts. I had to start

2:15

looking at neuroplasticity and epigenetics, and

2:17

then I wanted to see, well,

2:19

now that I know what people

2:21

did and I understood what they

2:24

did to have their own personal

2:26

healings and transformation. Could I reproduce

2:28

the effects? Knowing what they did,

2:30

finding out what the commonalities were,

2:33

putting it in the language of

2:35

science and then teaching it to

2:37

people, they could be sick or

2:39

they could be well, it wouldn't

2:41

matter. But understand what they did

2:44

in order for them to change

2:46

and how their life changed. And

2:48

after a couple years of teaching

2:50

it, we started to see kind

2:53

of the same type of effects

2:55

in those people that were applying

2:57

and doing something with it. So

2:59

this is a time in history

3:02

where it's not enough to know,

3:04

this is a time in history

3:06

to know how. So when we

3:08

started seeing people stepping out of

3:11

wheelchairs and having dramatic changes in

3:13

their health, I knew that in

3:15

some moment during the retreat or

3:17

during their meditation that something happened

3:19

to them. They had an experience

3:22

inwardly that must have changed them

3:24

biologically. In other words, in other

3:26

words, If you come into an

3:28

event and you have three days

3:31

to be together and at the

3:33

end of three days you're no

3:35

longer in your wheelchair and you

3:37

no longer have symptoms of MS,

3:40

that, you know, the human being

3:42

in me said, wow, that's amazing.

3:44

The scientists and me said, how?

3:46

Like, how did that happen? So

3:49

that's when we started doing our

3:51

own independent research and that's when

3:53

I started calling in neuroscientists and,

3:55

you know, biologistsists and quantum physicists

3:57

and in, and in, and, and,

4:00

and, really scientists to measuring it

4:02

a heart rate variability to look

4:04

to see what was going on

4:06

in people that were coming to

4:09

our event. So I can answer

4:11

the question by saying now that

4:13

the majority of the research that

4:15

I look at is our own

4:18

personal research. And we have the

4:20

largest database in the world now

4:22

on meditation and the mind body

4:24

connection. And what we do is

4:27

we really work on demystifying the

4:29

process of change and transformation. And

4:31

if we're able to demystify it,

4:33

I think all the All of

4:35

the measurements of the transformation that

4:38

we're seeing is more information for

4:40

me to teach transformation better. And

4:42

I think that's how we close

4:44

the gap between knowledge and experience.

4:47

So we have a huge research

4:49

team. We work with UC San

4:51

Diego. We work with other universities

4:53

like Harvard, Stanford. And the data

4:56

is so compelling. And the data

4:58

is so amazing that I think

5:00

we're making scientific history right now.

5:02

People come for all kinds of

5:05

reasons. The baseline is that they

5:07

understand on some level that that

5:09

meditation can change their body and

5:11

change their life. Some people understand

5:13

that there's a that they could

5:16

have mystical experiences without using any

5:18

exogenous substances. So we have people

5:20

that come that want to heal

5:22

their body that want to have

5:25

a new job or a new

5:27

career or become abundant. people that

5:29

want to have loving relationships and

5:31

people want to have mystical experiences,

5:34

whatever that is, right? But the

5:36

person is coming with the intention

5:38

of actually creating exactly what they

5:40

want. So that's what they think

5:42

they're there for. But in time,

5:45

what they're really coming for is

5:47

to change. And even the people

5:49

who heal from all kinds of

5:51

health conditions. What I learned in

5:54

the last couple years is they're

5:56

not doing their meditations to heal,

5:58

they're doing their meditations to change.

6:00

And when they change, they heal.

6:03

And so what they begin to

6:05

crave is the next unknown experience.

6:07

You know, that experience that exists

6:09

really beyond three-dimensional reality. But I

6:12

would say that the majority of

6:14

people come for a particular reason,

6:16

and after a period of time,

6:18

they just want to get more

6:20

whole. I don't think there's an

6:23

end to that. The stronger the

6:25

emotion we feel from some event

6:27

in our life, a trauma, a

6:29

loss, a shock, a diagnosis that

6:32

the event produces an emotional response

6:34

changes our internal state. And the

6:36

moment we feel altered inside of

6:38

us, the brain takes a snapshot,

6:41

freezes a frame or a series

6:43

of frames and takes snapshots and

6:45

that's called a long-term memory. So

6:47

then... from a biological perspective, every

6:50

time the person remembers the problem,

6:52

they're producing the exact same chemistry

6:54

and their brain and body, as

6:56

if the event was happening. Cortisol,

6:58

the adrenaline, whatever the emotion is.

7:01

When they feel that emotion, we

7:03

could say then that the body

7:05

is reliving the event emotionally 50

7:07

to 100 times in a day.

7:10

So the trauma is no longer.

7:12

in the brain at that point,

7:14

now the trauma is also in

7:16

the body because thoughts are the

7:19

language of the brain and feelings

7:21

are the language of the body.

7:23

And it's that thought and that

7:25

feeling, it's that image and that

7:28

emotion, it's that stimulus response that's

7:30

conditioning the body subconsciously to become

7:32

the mind of that emotion. And

7:34

now that person emotionally is branded

7:36

into the past. And you can

7:39

say to them, why are you

7:41

this way? Why are you so

7:43

angry? Why are you so bitter?

7:45

Why are you so mistrusting? Why

7:48

are you so afraid? And they'll

7:50

say to you, I am this

7:52

way. Because of the events or

7:54

that event that happened to me

7:57

in my life 20 or 30

7:59

years ago. Now this is kind

8:01

of an interesting thing because in

8:03

a sense their identity is completely

8:05

connected to their past and they

8:08

as long as they feel that

8:10

emotion they'll always remember the past.

8:12

So now the body is so

8:14

objective. when it feels that emotion,

8:17

it does not know the difference

8:19

between the real life experience that's

8:21

creating the emotion and the emotion

8:23

that person is fabricating by thought

8:26

alone. So now, the body's believing

8:28

it's living in the past event

8:30

24 hours a day, seven days

8:32

a week, 365 days a year.

8:35

But what the person is really

8:37

saying is, after that event, I

8:39

haven't been able to change. That's

8:41

what they're saying. And so that

8:43

becomes the person's identity, and there's

8:46

nothing wrong with this. But you'll

8:48

never hear me say in any

8:50

of the work that we do,

8:52

go back and process the past.

8:55

We've discovered that when a person

8:57

analyzes their problems within the emotions

8:59

of the past, they make their

9:01

brain worse. They actually drive it

9:04

further out of balance. They're over

9:06

arousing it. We discovered. is that

9:08

if the person can get beyond

9:10

the emotion, truly get beyond the

9:13

emotion, they'll free themselves from the

9:15

past. And what we discovered is

9:17

that if you teach a person

9:19

to give up the fear, the

9:21

bitterness, the resentment, the impatience, the

9:24

judgment, you should stop feeling that

9:26

emotion. I know there's a reason

9:28

why. I'm sure everybody's got a

9:30

story, right? So, but... There's nothing

9:33

that's going to change that story

9:35

until you change right and so

9:37

we discover that if you trade

9:39

those emotions For an elevated motion

9:42

And if you start feeling gratitude

9:44

and appreciation and love and kindness

9:46

and care, and you practice feeling

9:48

that emotion, we give you some

9:51

tools to use, to change your

9:53

breathing, to put your attention in

9:55

a different place, and to work

9:57

with your body. What we discovered

9:59

is when the person can truly

10:02

begin to open their heart, and

10:04

we have brain scans on this.

10:06

When the heart begins to open

10:08

and it begins to become coherent,

10:11

in other words, when you're feeling

10:13

frustration or impatience or judgment, your

10:15

heart is beating very incoherently. When

10:17

you're feeling love and gratitude, kindness

10:20

and care, there's a rhythm, there's

10:22

a cadence that the heart has

10:24

that's very coherent. When the heart

10:26

gets coherent, we measure this, it

10:29

immediately informs the brain that the

10:31

trauma is over. The heart tells

10:33

the brain the past is over,

10:35

the event is over, and it

10:37

resets the baseline in the brain.

10:40

And so now the person, when

10:42

they look back at their past,

10:44

they're no longer looking at it

10:46

from the same level of consciousness.

10:49

In fact, many of them will

10:51

say, oh my God, I needed

10:53

to go through all of that

10:55

to get to this point right

10:58

here. They'll tell you, they'll say,

11:00

I wouldn't want to change one

11:02

thing in my past. because it

11:04

got me to the present moment.

11:06

Okay, so we work with Navy

11:09

SEALs, Special Ops, prisoners, we work

11:11

with people that have had some

11:13

very serious traumas, have really serious

11:15

abuses, just difficult childhoods. These people

11:18

are, you know, night terrors, suicidal.

11:20

can't leave their homes socially having

11:22

trouble panic attacks. It's kind of

11:24

funny because the moment that person

11:27

actually breaks through from the emotion

11:29

and And the words they typically

11:31

describe as they say was like

11:33

my heart exploded. It's like my

11:36

heart blew wide open. The moment

11:38

that happens, they're bringing their body

11:40

right out of the past, right

11:42

into the present moment. And lo

11:44

and behold, many times there goes

11:47

the anxiety, there goes the depression,

11:49

there goes the cyclic mood patterns.

11:51

Somehow the body gets recalibrated back

11:53

into order, back into homeostasis. The

11:56

point of making is that the

11:58

memory without the emotional charge is

12:00

called wisdom. And now you're ready

12:02

for the next adventure in your

12:05

life. The soul can't go to

12:07

the next adventure if it's holding

12:09

on to the past. So we

12:11

don't really ever address the story

12:14

because the story is only firing

12:16

and wiring the same circuits in

12:18

the brain reaffirming the identity to

12:20

the past just to feel the

12:22

same emotion. The research shows that

12:25

50% of the story we tell

12:27

in our past isn't even the

12:29

truth. That means that people are

12:31

reliving a miserable life they never

12:34

even had, just to excuse themselves

12:36

from changing, right? And I'm not

12:38

taking shots at anybody. But what

12:40

I am saying is you can't

12:43

tell me that your past was

12:45

so brutal that you can't change.

12:47

because we have seen people with

12:49

some really really horrible pasts that

12:52

literally literally are completely different people

12:54

that have completely different lives. All

12:56

I'm saying is that when does

12:58

the story end? And I'm not

13:00

certain that insight changes behavior. You

13:03

could have a realization, even from

13:05

an exogenous drug, you can have

13:07

a realization or an insight, but

13:09

if you still can't function in

13:12

your life and you're still, you

13:14

know, you're having connected with your

13:16

wife or, you know, you're still

13:18

dealing with trauma, it hasn't served

13:21

you at all. Like, so the

13:23

insight that your father was overbearing

13:25

or your mother was a perfectionist

13:27

or you were beaten as a

13:29

kid, and that's why you're this

13:32

way, it doesn't change the behavior.

13:34

change. We have to become so

13:36

conscious of those unconscious beliefs and

13:38

what's a belief thought you just

13:41

keep thinking over and over again

13:43

or how you've been programmed, right?

13:45

It's a belief. We have to

13:47

become so aware of our automatic

13:50

habits and behaviors and we have

13:52

to pay attention to our emotional

13:54

states if we're going to change

13:56

and staying conscious of our unconscious

13:59

self is really the work that

14:01

it takes to really overcome so

14:03

you can become another person. That's

14:05

95% of a person by the

14:07

middle of their life. They're, you

14:10

know, hard-wired attitudes, beliefs, and perceptions.

14:12

Automatic habits and behaviors and unconscious

14:14

emotional responses. 95% of us is

14:16

programmed. So as a child, your

14:19

brain waves are very slow. A

14:21

door between the conscious mind and

14:23

the subconscious mind is wide open.

14:25

Your brain waves are an alpha

14:28

and theta. And so you're very

14:30

suggestible to the information. And so...

14:32

your exposure to that caused you

14:34

to learn that that you know

14:37

your observation causes you to get

14:39

programmed to that's the way life

14:41

is by by mirror neurons looking

14:43

at behaviors that are being programmed

14:45

in you so so but that's

14:48

not who you are right so

14:50

the fact that you became conscious

14:52

like oh my god I do

14:54

this Oh my God, I see

14:57

where I got it from. Okay,

14:59

that doesn't mean that I'm going

15:01

to excuse myself and say I

15:03

can't be in relationships. You could.

15:06

Some people do that. Might be

15:08

a different belief, but they do

15:10

that. But you said, I really

15:12

want to have a meaningful relationship.

15:15

I really want to overcome this.

15:17

That's part of me that I

15:19

want to change, right? So you

15:21

recognize that that's called metacognition, right?

15:23

The fact that you can... objectify

15:26

your subjective self and observe yourself.

15:28

That's consciousness, right? And when you're

15:30

conscious, then that's when you're not

15:32

unconscious and being unconscious of being

15:35

in the program. So how many

15:37

times do we have to forget

15:39

until we stop forgetting and start

15:41

remembering? That's the moment of change.

15:44

So you say, okay, that's uncommon.

15:46

comfortable, that must mean something, and

15:48

you actually went on a personal

15:50

exploration. Do something with the insight,

15:53

with the provocation, with the interest

15:55

of actually wanting to change yourself

15:57

in some way, so that you

15:59

create a greater experience of life,

16:01

that there is love in life,

16:04

and that you can have a

16:06

committed relationship, and it can be

16:08

different from your parents, and now

16:10

you know what you're not going

16:13

to be, right? I think all

16:15

of that is valuable. I think

16:17

every experience that we have in

16:19

our life that programs us to

16:22

be a certain way, sooner or

16:24

later, if we're interested in arriving

16:26

at the goals and dreams that

16:28

we want, we have to leave

16:30

that behind. As soon or later,

16:33

we have to leave that. So

16:35

I think that's evolution. That first,

16:37

is the first step insight? Like,

16:39

is this a... a sequential multi-step

16:42

process to change? I think that

16:44

insight is an aspect of awareness.

16:46

So is awareness statement? Yeah, so

16:48

consciousness is awareness and awareness is

16:51

paying attention and noticing. So I

16:53

think that I think the first

16:55

step is to become conscious that

16:57

we're a certain way and sometimes

17:00

it lands as an insight or

17:02

a download or a life experience

17:04

that just kind of goes, you

17:06

go woe, like... So I behave

17:08

this way or I did this

17:11

thing. So I think when you

17:13

don't have that, you don't have

17:15

a conscience. And you can just

17:17

keep staying in that world. But

17:20

sooner or later, you have to

17:22

become aware. How do I increase

17:24

my awareness? By paying attention. What

17:26

we know is that the more

17:29

you practice being present, the better

17:31

you get at it. And so

17:33

how do you do that? if

17:35

you sit in a meditation, right?

17:38

And so there's a mode in

17:40

the brain called... default mode and

17:42

it's just always busy. It's consuming

17:44

enormous amounts of energy in the

17:46

brain and it's always trying to

17:49

predict the future based on what

17:51

it knows in the past. It's

17:53

a kind of an anticipation machine.

17:55

It's always trying to fill in

17:58

a known in reality so we

18:00

feel safe. A default mode system

18:02

in the brain, when you close

18:04

your eyes on a meditation, is

18:07

going to immediately go into overdrive.

18:09

It's going to say, oh, my

18:11

back hurts a little bit, I'm

18:13

kind of thirsty, how long is

18:16

this going to go, I really

18:18

don't want to do this, I

18:20

don't like the music, you know,

18:22

it might be too long, oh,

18:24

I'm starting to get a little

18:27

frustrated, I want to lay down,

18:29

you know, all of this stuff

18:31

comes up, and then people have

18:33

the belief, and they've the belief,

18:36

and they say, and they say,

18:38

and they say, and they say,

18:40

and they say, and they say,

18:42

and they say, and they say,

18:45

I'm not a good meditative, that's

18:47

their affirmation, that's their belief, right?

18:49

From that experience. But if you

18:51

say to a person, listen, that's

18:53

normal. But every time you catch

18:56

yourself, going unconscious, catch yourself going

18:58

unconscious, and become conscious, that's a

19:00

victory. And as tedious as it

19:02

may be in the beginning, the

19:05

more you catch yourself going unconscious

19:07

and becoming conscious, the more conscious

19:09

you become in your life. And

19:11

all of a sudden you begin

19:14

to pay attention to things that

19:16

you weren't paying attention to before.

19:18

So in the work that we

19:20

do, we say that being in

19:23

the present moment, truly in the

19:25

present moment, is being comfortable in

19:27

the unknown, right? The present moment

19:29

is the unknown, because there is

19:31

the familiar past that we feel

19:34

emotionally and we have the predictable

19:36

future, which are both the knowns.

19:38

Being the present moment is being

19:40

the unknown, and that goes against

19:43

thousands of years of programming, because

19:45

our biology is programmed that if

19:47

we are truly in the unknown,

19:49

we should be in survival. Because

19:52

if you're in survival... and you're

19:54

in the fight-or-flight system, the unknown

19:56

is a threat. It's a danger.

19:58

So always try to predict the

20:01

future based on the past and

20:03

you'll have better chances of survival.

20:05

Predict the worst case scenario. Be

20:07

ready for that. Anything less that

20:09

happens, you have better chance of

20:12

surviving. So then to rest in

20:14

the unknown goes against a lot

20:16

of our biology. And we discover

20:18

that when a person keeps doing

20:21

it over and over again, The

20:23

body gets agitated, it gets frustrated,

20:25

it gets impatient, instead of the

20:27

person saying, I quit. Give them

20:30

something to do, and they can

20:32

lower the volume to the emotion

20:34

and settle the animal down, like

20:36

training an animal, settling the body

20:39

back down into the present moment.

20:41

We teach people how to do

20:43

that, and that's the victory. And

20:45

if they catch their mind going

20:47

from... a person to another person

20:50

to another object to their cell

20:52

phone to their computer to a

20:54

place they need to be and

20:56

you know at a time and

20:59

they catch themselves with their brain

21:01

firing in modulated compartments if they

21:03

keep catching themselves doing that if

21:05

they keep doing that and they

21:08

they catch the circuit when it's

21:10

firing and they settle it down

21:12

in time sooner or later they're

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going to stop firing those circuits

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in the brain in their brainwaves

21:19

begin to change from an agitated

21:21

aroused state into a more coherent

21:23

and slower brainwave state. So when

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they do this enough times, the

21:28

brain begins to synchronize, the brain

21:30

begins to fire in greater levels

21:32

of wholeness or greater levels of

21:34

order. So when that occurs then,

21:37

the nervous system gets very regulated,

21:39

gets very orderly. The autonomic nervous

21:41

system moves into a state of

21:43

regulation. Disregulation of the automatic nervous

21:46

system is called stress, right? So

21:48

to answer your question, when people

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do this really well, in just

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a few days, they'll get really

21:54

good at it. The side effect

21:57

of that is they get very

21:59

relaxed. in their heart. It's relaxed

22:01

in the heart and it's awake

22:04

in the brain. And the

22:06

more relaxed you get in

22:08

your heart, really relaxing into

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your heart, the more the

22:12

heart informs the brain to

22:14

get creative. And so now

22:16

the person has this kind

22:18

of synchronization that's taking place

22:21

between their heart and their

22:23

brain as well. And they can

22:25

rest in the present moment. So

22:27

the way you do that is... you

22:29

define what it really means to

22:31

change. And to change is to

22:34

be greater than the conditions in

22:36

your environment, to be able to think,

22:38

act, and feel differently in your

22:40

same environment. That's what changes.

22:42

To change is to be

22:44

greater than your body, to be

22:47

greater than its drives

22:49

in the meditation, I'm

22:51

speaking specifically, greater than

22:53

its emotional responses. It's memories,

22:55

it's emotional reactions, greater than its habits.

22:57

The habit is when you've done something

22:59

so many times, the body knows how

23:01

to do it better than the conscious

23:03

spine there. So if you're sitting in

23:05

a meditation, your body wants to get

23:07

up and wants to get going and

23:09

got people to see things to do.

23:11

That's kind of like automatic, right? And

23:13

people get up and they say, I

23:15

can't meditate. But if you tell them

23:18

that when you notice that, you bring

23:20

your body back into the present moment.

23:22

You settle it down. and tell it

23:24

it's no longer the mind that you're

23:26

the mind. You're training the animal sooner

23:28

or later, the body literally responds

23:31

to a new mind. And there's literally

23:33

a liberation of energy. The body begins

23:35

to liberate energy. And if the person's

23:37

not thinking about time, if you're not

23:40

thinking about where you need to be,

23:42

where you need to go, where you're

23:44

yesterday, where you're sitting, where you live,

23:46

if you're not thinking about any place,

23:48

you can go from somewhere to nowhere.

23:50

And if you're not thinking about the

23:52

predictable future of the familiar past, you

23:55

can go from some time to no

23:57

time and we discovered when a person

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becomes nobody... no one, no thing,

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nowhere, and no time. They

24:04

literally become pure consciousness. And

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opening our awareness, I know

24:08

this is kind of difficult

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to explain because we're materialists,

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opening our awareness to nothing,

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and sensing space tends to

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cause us to move more

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into the eternal present moment.

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