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Pew, Bill. That's right. My
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name is Bill Simmons. We are
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going to do our 17th Tom Cruise
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movie on the rewatchables. He's just, he's
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like Barry Bonds in 2002. He's
2:00
just lapping the field. A
2:02
A little bit of that. A classic,
2:04
Minority Report is next. Chief
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Detective John Anderton set up the perfect
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crime force. People trust you, Trump, but
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now. I have a warrant in my
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pocket that says murder. Seems you've been
2:15
left out of the loop, John. He
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has to run from it. He set
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me up! On June 21st, you can't
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hide. It's gonna be an entire area.
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Read anything with eyes and a heartbeat.
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So get ready to run. Tom Cruise,
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Steven Spielberg, Minority... Report.
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Rough landing. Have to work on that. This
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film not get rated June 21st only
2:35
in theater. All
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right,
2:50
Minority Report. Ciara has been floating
2:52
this and suggesting this for a
2:54
long, long time. He's wearing a
2:57
master's hat today to try to
2:59
really capture the magic Is this
3:01
Master of his domain yeah, that's
3:03
right if you had to pick
3:05
is this a Tom Cruise movie
3:07
or a Spielberg movie I think
3:10
it's a Spielberg movie, but I
3:12
don't think it works if it's
3:14
not Tom Cruise. Oh Yeah, but
3:16
the ingenuity of it the vision
3:18
of it the Creative flair I think
3:20
in some ways it's one of
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Steven Spielberg's most swagged out movies
3:24
He is doing stuff in this
3:27
just to just to amuse himself just because
3:29
he can just it's like watching him play
3:31
play left -handed just like I'm gonna try
3:33
this I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do
3:35
all my coverage with camera movement. I'm gonna
3:37
go up a building I'm gonna jump off
3:39
the building We're gonna do all this stuff
3:41
about the future, but we're not even gonna
3:43
like explain how it works We're just gonna
3:45
run right through it. It's so fast. It's
3:47
so energetic It just feels Spielberg to me. What
3:49
do you think Van? It's definitely a
3:52
Spielberg movie and it's You
3:54
know, around the same time that Spielberg
3:56
was messing around with the darker
3:58
side of Spielberg stuff, you know, he's
4:00
doing this, he's doing AI, and then
4:02
even World of Worlds with Tom Cruise
4:04
again, is a little bit of a
4:06
darker Spielberg take. He's getting a little
4:08
bit more intense with it. And in
4:10
those movies, to Chris's point,
4:12
it's when he's really showing
4:14
off how technically brilliant he
4:16
is just to build
4:19
tension using the camera
4:21
and his mastery as a
4:23
director. Yeah, it's almost like
4:25
he's like Jordan just being
4:27
like you think I can't do
4:29
this What what what's your nitpick now,
4:31
and then he would just come up with
4:33
something to Yeah, he comes out of
4:35
98 I mean with the end of saving
4:37
private Ryan and he's got he's done
4:39
Schindler's list. He's done Amistad. He's he's done
4:41
these heavy movies heavier movies. Sure. He
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does. I thought it's not that heavy No,
4:46
well, maybe not for you, Bill. You have
4:49
the comedy cut. I would
4:51
say I like to think
4:53
of Bill on a Saturday. Like
4:55
I want to feel good. All
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right, the deleted scenes are good now.
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a started Munich. I think are two of
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the heavier movies. But that's where we
5:04
get in the Schindler's List and save your
5:06
private right. We've actually done a couple
5:08
of these now. We're I mean, we haven't
5:10
done AI, but like he does AI,
5:12
which is sort of this also extension of
5:14
Kubrick, right? Because Kubrick was originally gonna
5:16
do artificial intelligence, but he does minority port
5:18
and catch me if you can. We've
5:21
also done rewatchables. The terminal, but
5:23
War of the Worlds, he's just working.
5:25
It just seems like he's like, what I
5:27
wanna do is get into the gym
5:30
and try this and try that and try this. I
5:33
do feel like this is the tail
5:35
end of whatever crazy all -time
5:37
apex he had, right? Probably
5:40
tailing off around the mid -2000s
5:42
a little bit. He's getting older. I
5:45
think this is the most
5:47
creative movie he made during this whole
5:49
stretch, though. Even the way, like, the color
5:51
correction, like, the stuff my guy Janusz Kominski
5:53
did. And he told Janusz, I want this to
5:56
be the ugliest movie I've ever made. Yeah, it's,
5:58
like, bleached out. It's just, it just
6:00
really, like... There's a little tension
6:02
in there, though. Distinct. There's a little
6:04
tension in there when you watch
6:06
the film between traditional Spielberg visuals. and
6:09
how this movie is probably supposed
6:11
to look and supposed to feel
6:13
like there's a version of this
6:15
movie if it's directed by like
6:17
David Fincher or someone like that
6:19
with a little bit of a
6:21
darker palette and a more clear
6:23
aesthetic and like narrative kind of
6:25
thought about the milk that's a
6:27
lot darker. And that's a lot
6:29
more intense, but you can look
6:31
and see the Spielbergian notes throughout the
6:33
movie. There's like little wacky parts
6:36
that put it in some of the
6:38
chases where they're really intense. And
6:40
there's the part where he's the women
6:42
are the contortionists. There's little parts
6:44
where he pulls you out of being
6:46
a little bit too dour about
6:48
what's going on and reminds you that
6:50
you're watching the Steven Spielberg movie. One
6:52
of the things I was wondering is There's
6:54
that whole new generation of directors that come
6:57
in the mid -90s, right? That next class
6:59
that's a little reminiscent of what he
7:01
had in the 70s and PTA and Fincher.
7:03
All these dudes kind of coming up. And
7:06
this feels like the most Fincher -y type of
7:08
movie that he could have made. And I
7:10
really wonder if Fincher either inspired him or
7:12
made him competitive to be like, oh, everyone
7:15
thinks Fincher is a genius. Like, I'm
7:17
going to fucking out Fincher him. I wonder
7:19
also whether or not audiences had shown
7:21
an openness to A certain level
7:23
of grime like a little bit more dirt
7:25
a little bit more of a smudge on
7:27
the lens like it's like the room is
7:29
isn't tidy like if people are a little
7:31
bit more fucked up like It was definitely
7:33
in the air in that 90s into the
7:35
early 2000s turn. I think systematically internet. We're
7:37
starting to Be like, oh, shit. Yeah, this
7:39
is going to be part of our lives
7:41
for the rest of our lives now. Where
7:43
is this going? Well, and then the crucial
7:46
I'm sorry. No, no, go ahead. No, I
7:48
mean, I'm saying like a little bit more
7:50
of the dystopian stuff is starting to take
7:52
over sci -fi. Yeah, this is post 9
7:54
11 post 9 11 post
7:56
the matrix. So it's
7:58
it you're it. You're
8:02
I can't wait. Hey,
8:04
but that's that's very
8:06
that's a big part of this film and
8:08
I watch it. I'm like, hey, they got
8:10
that right. Yeah, this movie has some really
8:12
interesting futures. I wait to talk about where
8:14
they get a couple things right. But I'm saying
8:16
maybe Spielberg and you know, other people looking
8:19
at it is like the high concept sci -fi
8:21
that you're looking at now is a little
8:23
darker. Not that that didn't exist before, but
8:25
people were actually going to it and craving it
8:27
a little bit. Didn't know where things going.
8:29
I have seven genres happening all at the
8:31
same time in this movie. It's a Spielberg movie.
8:34
It's a cruise movie. And
8:36
I think CR is right. Cruise is
8:38
essential to this, which we'll get into.
8:40
It's a sci -fi futuristic thriller. It's
8:43
a cop movie. It's a
8:45
fugitive movie. It's like
8:47
a psychic. How
8:49
much do we know about the future? Do you
8:51
believe in this shit movie? And
8:54
it's a free will versus determination movie, which
8:56
is probably like the biggest theme in
8:58
the movie is how much How much can
9:00
you control of what happens? Yeah. Can
9:02
I add two more things to that? Let's
9:04
do it. I already have seven. I
9:06
think it's his, it's his Hitchcock homage. So,
9:08
so much vertigo north by northwest
9:10
stuff happening in this, especially north
9:13
by northwest, all the chases, all
9:15
the man, you know, man wrongly
9:17
accused on the run stuff is
9:19
right out of Hitchcock, some of
9:21
Hitchcock's best movies. And then it's
9:23
essentially a Philip K. Dick thing, which I don't
9:25
think I really knew at the time,
9:27
because I hadn't really read a ton of his stuff
9:29
in 02, but a
9:31
lot of the side characters, a
9:34
lot of the conception of
9:36
the future of us being constantly
9:38
surveilled, of us all being
9:40
hooked up on our devices and
9:42
all being mildly addicted to
9:44
drugs is all out of Philip K. Dick, and
9:46
he obviously wrote this. Are you a Phil Dick guy?
9:48
I am a Phil Dick guy. Yeah, I actually went
9:51
on a little Phil Dick run. Recently you
9:53
feel dicked it up. Yeah, I got a
9:55
I got a category later for it for
9:57
the for the dick lovers out there. Well,
9:59
so the things from that book
10:01
are He has a pre -crime
10:03
police department that appraise criminals
10:05
He has the pre cogs
10:07
and it's in DC in
10:09
2054 which by the way van is
10:11
now less than 30 years away. Yeah, you know
10:13
what I was thinking are we
10:16
closer to the
10:19
actual imagining Oh,
10:21
it's a great question of of the
10:23
world in 2054 or are we nowhere
10:25
near do you feel disappointed? I feel
10:27
like we're so far away from the
10:29
cars and the traffic how they manage
10:31
that in here. Oh god. Yeah, we're
10:33
like seven. I can't even build a
10:36
train. We at least have Waymo, but
10:38
yeah, we can't we can't build half
10:40
like I had to stop myself from
10:42
like Legitimately following Waymo's in the neighborhood.
10:44
I would see a waymo. They're freaky.
10:46
Coleca goes there's nobody inside of the
10:48
waymo. Yeah, and I'm like what the
10:50
Fuck. I see it all the time
10:52
when I'm walking around. Every time I
10:54
notice, I'm just like, there's nobody
10:56
driving that car right now. just want to
10:58
follow a Waymo for just like one block
11:00
and see if the Waymo is up to the
11:03
task. I know. I never see anybody riding in the
11:05
back of Waymo. Sometimes you want to throw the Waymo
11:07
a curveball, just like run out in front of it. Does
11:09
the Waymo know? I always think about that. But
11:13
you also don't want to be the
11:15
one guy that dies. Like fucking
11:17
hit by way man. Yeah, what happened to this
11:19
guy? Oh, he was testing the way more and the
11:22
way more said fuck you. I mean the problem
11:24
with the way most from what I've seen walking around
11:26
is they're better drivers than all the actual drivers.
11:28
Yeah, but you need basically to hit a moment where
11:30
there are more way most than regular drivers because
11:32
otherwise they're just like toddling along. Yeah.
11:34
And it's like, I think I think
11:36
right now there's they're more in the
11:38
way than they are. You're behind a
11:40
way more. You're like when a way
11:42
more doesn't take that last like. You
11:44
can go on the left here, you
11:47
go. Go Waymo! But consider the Waymo
11:49
though. My
11:51
great grandfather passed away
11:53
in 1987. If I could
11:55
have a conversation with him and I could say
11:57
Big Papa. This would be the first thing
11:59
you told him. I would be like, yo, I'm
12:01
in a place right now where there
12:03
are cars that drive on the street
12:05
with no drivers and they drive people
12:08
around. couldn't even imagine that
12:10
he was born in 1900. It's nuts to think
12:12
that the Waymo is here, and it's not that big
12:14
of a deal. I have that every once in
12:16
a while with my mom where she'll be like,
12:18
what are you doing when I'm looking at my phone?
12:20
And I'm like, well, I was looking at a
12:22
cat, and now I'm looking at British Parliament. She's
12:27
like, what do you mean? And I'm
12:29
just like, honestly, you just go like that,
12:31
and then something else comes. And
12:33
she just, yeah. Craig, where does your
12:35
generation stand on Waymo? I think, honestly,
12:37
we're all in. A lot of my
12:39
friends take Waymo. It's cheaper. They're
12:41
like, they're doing that Uber thing where they're flooding
12:43
the market with cheap prices so that everybody uses it.
12:45
Have you had, like, oh my God,
12:47
I'm going to die at a Waymo moment? I admittedly
12:50
have not taken one. Oh, you haven't ever been before.
12:52
My son, Ben Simmons, actually signed
12:54
up early for Waymo and was using it
12:56
before we knew it was going on.
12:58
And we found out and we were freaked
13:00
out. It's like, there's nobody in the
13:02
car. It's just you. Well, they can't go on
13:04
the freeway yet. They don't do freeway. Right. So he's
13:06
just driving around in the neighborhoods. He's like, sometimes
13:08
I get in the passenger seat, sometimes I sit in
13:10
the back seat. There's nobody else
13:12
in it. But
13:15
apparently he said people some people are
13:17
like getting busy in the way obviously
13:19
You immediately lose your waymo past that
13:21
if you're in the waymo The first
13:23
thing you're gonna think is yo, this
13:25
is the fuck train. You know what?
13:27
Yeah, and so but but they're watching
13:29
you in the waymo The waymo sex
13:32
tapes are gonna be so crazy. Yeah,
13:34
whoever hacks into the waymo sex tapes
13:36
It's gonna be have you seen some
13:38
of like the waymo waymo attacks where
13:40
like people destroyed waymo's or tagged them
13:42
or like to
13:44
surf on top of them and stuff. It's
13:46
when the real repo man of LA
13:49
comes out. I think it's going
13:51
to be a big summer for people
13:53
torturing Waymo's. Anyway, back to my door to
13:55
report. Is that a prediction? Prediction.
13:57
Coming up next. I'll
14:00
tell you why Waymo
14:02
is getting tagged up. Spielberg
14:05
was really, really passionate
14:07
about figuring out 2054. So
14:10
I'll do some of the research stuff
14:12
now. consulted scientists,
14:14
invited 15 experts to Santa
14:16
Monica for a three -day think
14:18
tank, where they talked
14:20
about whatever the future is going
14:23
to be with architects. Douglas
14:25
Copeland from Gen X was there, the guy who
14:27
wrote that. Computer scientists, all kinds
14:29
of people. They made a
14:31
2054 Bible, which was an 80 -page
14:33
guide. I was looking for it online.
14:35
That had all the aspects of
14:37
their future world. It exactly should be
14:39
a PDF or an Apple book.
14:41
And then he said to Roger Ebert,
14:44
I wanted all the toys to
14:46
come true someday. I want
14:48
there to be a transportation system that
14:50
doesn't emit toxins into the atmosphere and
14:52
a newspaper that updates itself. The
14:55
internet is watching us now. If they want
14:57
to, they can see what sites you visit. In
15:00
the future, television will be watching
15:02
us and customizing itself to what it
15:04
knows about us. The
15:06
thrilling thing is that will make us feel
15:08
like we're part of the medium. The scary thing
15:10
is we'll lose our right to privacy and
15:13
ad will appear in the air around us talking
15:15
directly to us. All that shit is fucking
15:17
happening. Like he said this in
15:19
2002 and he was dead on. Here's
15:21
the best part about what he did though.
15:23
Does all this research, he imagines the
15:25
world, he figures all this stuff out with
15:27
scientists, he has a Bible. But
15:29
within the realm of the movie, it
15:32
all happens as part of the action. They
15:34
never stop and say, you know, we invented
15:36
self -driving cars in 2034 and they became
15:38
perfected in 2041. And this, you know, they
15:40
don't even have toxins. I didn't even think
15:42
that they didn't have toxins. It didn't even
15:44
occur to me until you said that. But
15:46
I was thinking about when, when Anderton in
15:49
this movie first, you know, is first on
15:51
the run and he's walking through the mall
15:53
and all the ads are starting to pop
15:55
at him. That's the first time you see
15:57
the curated, you know, personalized advertising stuff. And
15:59
it's five but you're like, holy shit,
16:01
what is going on in the future? You
16:03
know, what is going on in this world?
16:05
Now, it's very different to watch this movie
16:08
in 2025 and be like what you're saying
16:10
within touching distance of all of this stuff
16:12
basically being true. But honestly, none of the
16:14
good stuff that seems to come out of
16:16
Minority Report. Do you know what
16:18
I mean? I do. I do. I also
16:20
think that the movie is like one of
16:22
the best parts of the movie is the
16:24
world building that it does, right? It does
16:26
it all very softly. but
16:28
very definitely like he's walking through there
16:30
and you realize oh there's nowhere
16:33
he can go and not be reckoned.
16:35
How is he gonna get around
16:37
that? And then that sets up
16:39
to me the most disgusting but
16:41
also the most fascinating scene in
16:43
the movie where obviously when he
16:45
gets his uh his eyes replaced
16:47
which is just just like that
16:49
Spielberg just going like You
16:52
know me for making kids
16:54
fly on bicycles. How much
16:56
can I discuss you and
16:59
disturb you in one sequence?
17:01
But it all happens seamlessly.
17:04
There's never a point where the movie seems
17:06
like there's a specific point that it's trying
17:08
to make to you. I like that they
17:10
use DC and he talks about this where
17:12
sometimes in the futuristic movies it just has
17:14
no link to what things look like now.
17:16
So they use DC and they still have
17:18
a lot of the same landmarks in DC. But
17:21
it's just kind of a twisted
17:23
futuristic mm -hmm of it, which I
17:25
thought was smart the stuff that I
17:27
thought worked and tell me if
17:30
I left anything out For futuristic stuff
17:32
that just was cool the police
17:34
helicopters. Yeah a little Yeah, like I
17:36
feel like we might have those
17:38
29 years from now the eye recognition
17:40
that's already happening You could walk
17:42
into that's clear. Yeah, that's clear. That's
17:44
gone into quipper game That's just
17:46
staring in and then they know you
17:48
make you scan your retinas to
17:50
watch the clippers Well, they
17:52
stay, when you walk in, they scan
17:54
your face and whatever and you don't
17:56
have a ticket. Are you serious?
18:00
To watch the fucking clip? Yeah. Listen,
18:02
I don't have to wait in the
18:04
line. They can have all my stuff. I
18:06
feel like you gotta have a championship
18:08
to scan my face. I'm not letting the
18:10
clip or scan my face. What about
18:13
making the Western finals? Well, maybe. Maybe they
18:15
will. They can't
18:17
come on me. You gotta have more. They have my
18:19
face and they can scan all they want out of it.
18:22
What's the drug in this? Clarion? Nuranin.
18:25
Nuranin? Yeah. As
18:27
2054 fentanyl, basically? Yeah.
18:29
Like this new drug out of nowhere?
18:31
Yeah. But a little bit also, I think,
18:33
supposed to be. Hallucinogenic. Nelmaine and hallucinogenic.
18:35
Yeah. Yeah. Which is a very Phil K.
18:37
Dick thing. He has lots of, I
18:39
just read a book of his where it's
18:41
like everybody is taking a drug and
18:43
looking at a little model of reality and
18:45
then they go into the reality. Wow,
18:47
you have some filled dick energy today. Filled
18:50
dick in and up. Yeah, I'm going to
18:52
the drug part of it because in his
18:54
actual life, obviously, but the drug
18:56
part of it is always a staple part of
18:58
the future for him. Yeah, I think he got
19:01
he got down a little bit. He did, Phil.
19:03
Yeah. He liked to get wet. FaceTime
19:09
is in this movie, basically. Uh huh. Giant
19:12
giant awesome clear TVs. They saw
19:14
that coming. I liked
19:16
how they did the highways even though
19:18
I don't know how realistic that is
19:20
but the car that leaves your place
19:22
and bounces in and suddenly you're driving
19:24
and then we talked about earlier but
19:26
the the targeted virtual sponsors in a
19:28
mall I do
19:30
feel like that's probably where we're heading. I
19:32
mean, we're only seeing that where your your
19:34
phone can hear you talk about something and
19:36
all a sudden you're served the Instagram ad.
19:38
Yeah. And also the idea of everything that
19:41
you do coming with a 15 second ad
19:43
as like payment for it. So you think
19:45
about it when you're signing up for Wi -Fi
19:47
and a flight, you got to watch the
19:49
ad for 15 seconds. The way that the
19:51
mall looks in minority report is essentially what
19:53
the international terminal of LAX looks like. Like
19:55
when you're sitting there, there's like 15. giant
19:58
billboards just like you you really
20:00
do feel like your brain is
20:02
getting melted by advertising in there.
20:04
And also in the movie there's
20:06
so much that's automated and stuff.
20:09
There's so much the future
20:11
is it's it's so regulated
20:13
for you that in a
20:16
weird way the human interaction
20:18
the stakes in the film
20:20
they're like they're raised. It
20:23
like and I feel like that kind
20:25
of now is like when you are walking
20:27
through the world and so much of
20:29
what you're doing is like in this digital
20:31
world That like when you actually talk
20:33
to a person it almost feels like the
20:35
stakes are higher or like what you're
20:37
saying is a little bit more important because
20:40
when he's because there are Parts in
20:42
the movie where he feels like it's technology
20:44
against him But then when he gets
20:46
with Agatha it feels like okay. There's a
20:48
person on the other side of it
20:50
now. It's about how her essential
20:52
human gift, which is like all
20:54
mystical and ethereal can help him
20:56
out of his situation against the
20:58
technology that he's up against, man
21:00
-made stuff. I can't wait to
21:02
talk to you about Agatha. Cruise
21:06
and Spielberg together, zero
21:09
movies up until this point, started
21:11
developing this in 97, Mission Impossible
21:13
2 ran over, AI ran over.
21:17
They were basically like the two guys
21:19
who kept... they would have dinner
21:22
together and never have yet. No, no,
21:24
we're gonna have dinner and then
21:26
and then all a sudden It happened
21:28
but Spielberg was supposed to do
21:30
Rain Man and ended up doing Indie
21:32
3 instead Hmm, and then it
21:34
finally happened my favorite Indie this movie
21:37
has the following production companies in
21:39
it Dreamworks Amplen Entertainment 20th Century Fox
21:41
cruise Wagner productions and blue tulip
21:43
Which is yandubant's company right because big
21:45
yandubant guy? But
21:47
uh But Cruz and
21:50
Spielberg, they took 15 % of the gross. This
21:53
is the Spielberg check. Big
21:57
bet on yourself, guy. They
21:59
wanted to keep the budget under $100
22:01
million. You know, it's interesting. I actually
22:03
learned about that entire method of getting
22:05
paid through the career of Tom Cruz.
22:07
Yeah. Because someone will go, yeah, Tom
22:09
Cruz made $100 million for War of
22:12
the Worlds. I'd be like, how is
22:14
that possible? And then that's when
22:16
you understand the breakdown of his production company and
22:18
how you can make it and splits and
22:20
backing and all that stuff. I had no clue
22:22
about any of that stuff until he kind
22:24
of mainline. And this is kind of, I mean,
22:26
for what it's worth. I mean, part of
22:28
the reason why film budgets now seems so out
22:30
of whack is people get a lot of
22:33
their money upfront now. Right. Yeah. Because there's, there's
22:35
a little bit less dependability because the studio
22:37
has figured out ways to cheat people out of
22:39
some of these points. So movie costs a
22:41
hundred million, makes 400 million or whatever. they're like,
22:43
it only made. 5 million, right, because we
22:45
had to spend this much on this. Cruz's director
22:47
list, this was Pete Cruz. So
22:50
I'm going to do tears. This
22:53
is just everybody he works
22:55
with from Tony Scott on.
22:57
And we'll go like past
23:00
cocktail. Scorsese, Spielberg, Kubrick, DiPalma,
23:02
Sidney Pollock, Barry Levinson,
23:05
Ron Howard, Oliver Stone,
23:07
Tony Scott, Rob Reiner, PTA,
23:10
Neil Jordan, Cameron Crowe, and John
23:12
Woo. And then
23:15
his next four after this movie were Michael
23:17
Mann, Ed Swick, Spielberg,
23:19
and Abrams. Tom
23:21
Cruise laying down the blueprint. And
23:24
now Leo followed it. And then Chalamet is
23:26
like, that's what I'm going to do too. And
23:28
that's the move. I feel like Ciara would
23:30
whore himself out a couple of times. Uh,
23:32
this is how you run your acting
23:34
career. If you're lucky enough to be,
23:37
like, if you just say, I trust
23:39
the best director's working right now, like,
23:41
you will probably have a really good
23:43
career. Well, yeah, I mean, if you
23:45
get to the position that he got
23:47
to, you could, you can, yeah, yeah.
23:49
But, like, I'm saying, like, he could,
23:51
and he kind of spends the most
23:53
recent act of his career working mostly
23:55
with McQuarrie and mostly on big blockbusters
23:57
right now. Yeah. He's gonna do it
23:59
in a retoon movie next after Mission
24:02
Impossible. That'll be, like, his return to,
24:04
like, film film or whatever, but... His
24:06
run here is inspirational. I think for
24:08
anybody whoever achieves like Any notable amount
24:10
of success and has the opportunity it's
24:12
coming off eyes wide shut mission to
24:14
and vanilla sky The next three after
24:16
this last Samurai Coradero Coradero Oprah's couch.
24:19
Oh Yeah, yeah war of the world directed
24:21
to Oprah's couch. Yeah, well, I'm just
24:23
saying this is the time frame. We're moving
24:25
into he's broken up with the cold
24:27
Kidman Cruz is just about to get his
24:29
weird on We don't know this yet
24:32
in Minority Report. Is this
24:34
the official end of Tom Cruise's prime right
24:36
here? 2002. He's
24:39
bringing still no baggage really
24:41
whatsoever into Minority Report. Now we
24:43
know baggage. I think we've
24:45
talked about it before. There's
24:47
an interview with him and Sway. I
24:49
know I've brought this up on the podcast
24:52
before where Sway actually looks at Tom
24:54
Cruise and goes, you know what? For
24:56
all of your stardom, you're just one
24:58
of the celebrities. That just seems like
25:00
they get it. You just
25:03
get it. Like you were
25:05
this Hercules every What year is
25:07
this? This is maybe like
25:09
this might be missing, missing Impossible
25:11
2 promo run right here
25:13
because it's MTV. And he's
25:15
talking to him and Tom Cruise is
25:17
just not just the biggest movie star in
25:19
the world, but he's like America's nice
25:22
guy. And there's no edge. There's no, of
25:24
course, there are rumors about his personal
25:26
life, but all of that stuff doesn't really
25:28
matter that much. We don't really have
25:30
an understanding of Scientology as an actual thing.
25:32
We don't like know what it is.
25:34
And then, boom, like four
25:36
or five years later, there's like
25:38
this Anakin Skywalker turn where he's berating
25:40
Matt Lauer in the morning on
25:43
the morning show. He's jumping on a
25:45
couch. What year was that? It
25:47
was right up mid 2000. Yeah. Because
25:49
I was going to say that for me,
25:51
the probably the The real drop off
25:53
even though mission possible three i actually love
25:55
but is probably that's that's often yeah
25:57
that's awesome and that's a great i like
25:59
that one too and he makes the
26:02
topic thunder cameo but that's a way that's
26:04
a way but i'm saying that's gonna
26:06
be a cool guy hardest drop off for
26:08
me is night and day because night
26:10
and day is a movie he tried to
26:12
sell really hard. Like as if it
26:14
was going to be this giant blockbuster and
26:16
I think it was a disappointment over
26:18
and then after that it's like ghost protocol
26:20
rock of ages jack reacher oblivion It
26:22
starts to he's basically only mission impossible is
26:24
how we want to consume tom cruise
26:27
with the exception of maybe edge of tomorrow
26:29
But see even edge of tomorrow is
26:31
very telling about his career because edge of
26:33
tomorrow is to me It's the worst
26:35
A rapper gets to a certain point to
26:37
where like you come along you're building
26:39
your career as a rapper and then For
26:41
whatever reason, hip hop just goes, we're
26:43
finished with you. We don't like you anymore.
26:46
And it doesn't matter how dope the music that
26:48
you put out is, we've moved on to
26:50
new rappers. And so they're guys and you'll
26:52
be trying to tell people, amen, I don't know if you
26:54
know, so -and -so just dropped a crazy album. They just don't
26:56
care anymore. And so when Edge
26:58
of Tomorrow came out, that wasn't like Oblivion or
27:00
some of those other movies that were up
27:03
or down. I enjoy Jack Reacher, but
27:05
you could take it or leave
27:07
it. Edge of Tomorrow is legitimately
27:09
awesome. like, fantastic
27:11
sci -fi. I also like Jack Reacher. I
27:13
like Jack Reacher. But it kind of lands
27:15
with a little bit of a thud.
27:17
And that's when you go Thompson Trouble. Like,
27:20
that's when you go, like, he actually
27:22
made a good album and nobody cares. It
27:24
almost had a word of mouth run
27:26
because people are like, no, no, the edge
27:28
of tomorrow good. No, it's really good.
27:30
people are like surprised by it. That whole
27:32
thing was like, what's the movie called?
27:34
Like, is it called Live, Die, Repeat? Yeah,
27:36
or is it called Edge of Tomorrow?
27:38
And like, I think... It was a little
27:40
bit ahead of its time and popularizing
27:43
some of the extra stuff. Have you guys
27:45
watched the Oprah's couch clip? I have
27:47
many times recently. I haven't but I watched
27:49
the the thing we based remember we
27:51
did clatheism Yeah, at the ringer in like
27:53
early days and that was like based
27:55
on him in the turtleneck talking about Scientology.
27:57
The Oprah's couch thing right it became
27:59
Kind of like a go -to joke and
28:01
we all knew what it meant But
28:03
I don't know how many times people have
28:06
actually gone back and watched how fucking insane it
28:08
is. And it's
28:10
just this audience of crazy Oprah
28:12
lady fans just losing their shit
28:14
every time he gets excited that
28:16
he's finally in love. And
28:18
Oprah's like, I've never seen
28:20
you like this. And Cruz
28:22
is like, I know, I
28:25
know. And then he just
28:27
starts jumping up and down. And it's like,
28:29
what is happening? Way
28:31
crazier than I think it gets credit
28:33
for. Yeah. And it's one of the craziest
28:35
celebrity moments ever. But there's a crazy
28:37
trifecta. There's that. There's
28:39
him being just his
28:41
furious at Maddler.
28:43
Yeah. He's really angry.
28:46
And then there's
28:48
the other thing where
28:50
he's whatever. the
28:52
video from Scientology Leaks, and he's
28:54
talking and he's like, yeah, have
28:56
you ever met a SA before? And
29:01
I'm like, oh, fucking
29:03
shit, Tom Cruise. His
29:05
goddamn Emperor Palpatine. What the fuck
29:07
is going on? And then
29:09
I love the guy, but he's fucking batshit.
29:11
Oh, no, no, no, no, 17 rewatchable
29:14
movies. He's a maniac. He's
29:16
really like, I don't, okay. So this
29:18
is a dark time in time. I don't
29:20
know when to get into the, but
29:22
He really has taken all of that good
29:24
will back, in my opinion.
29:27
I agree. Top Gun Maverick, he's taken
29:29
all of that good will back. Listen,
29:31
we love Tom Cruise, but yeah,
29:33
there's been some moments where you're like,
29:35
oh yeah, okay. It's
29:38
like if you're at like a holiday
29:40
dinner and you have that one uncle
29:42
who's, it seems like it's going great.
29:44
And then they just say something absolutely
29:46
insane. After two glasses of wine, you're
29:48
like, oh. Let's think about this the
29:50
other day about how he kind of
29:52
inverted the way actors typically would progress
29:54
throughout their career. He does all this
29:56
great stuff with great directors when he's
29:58
younger. Yeah. Then he hits a certain
30:00
point and he's like, I'm just gonna
30:02
make action movies and I'm just gonna
30:04
throw myself off of stuff even though
30:06
he's getting increasingly older and probably that's
30:09
more and more dangerous every time he
30:11
tries that stuff. This is probably the
30:13
perfect mix of acting Tom Cruise in
30:15
an interesting Speculative piece
30:17
of sci -fi drama conspiracy thriller and running
30:19
Tom Cruise because he basically runs for
30:21
this entire movie because everybody runs but
30:23
I love that like It's this weird
30:25
thing where you'd expect. Oh as you
30:27
get older You're gonna settle into being
30:29
like I'm Paul Newman now. I'm gonna
30:31
play a guy who's having a midlife
30:33
crisis We always talk about this cruise
30:35
never had is the verdict. Yeah, he's
30:38
never did it also We got to
30:40
a point with Tom to where we
30:42
just appreciated what he was willing to
30:44
do to entertain us He's
30:46
willing to live this
30:48
mysterious, almost monastic lifestyle.
30:51
He's willing to get on the plane. If you look,
30:54
you got on the couch, that's one thing. But
30:56
if you're willing to get on the side
30:58
of the plane, if you're willing to
31:00
jump off of, you just, I'm gonna be
31:02
like, yeah, I'm fucking with this guy. If
31:05
you're willing to get, I'm watching
31:07
it, I'm like, yo, is
31:09
this motherfucker on the side of the
31:11
plane? Is he actually on the plane?
31:13
And I think it was those things
31:15
that were in an era where it
31:17
seems like people sometimes forced me to
31:19
shit. It just seems like he still gives
31:21
a shit about making good movies. Let's
31:24
take a break and then we'll hit the rest of
31:26
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in this movie, including a very
32:01
young, our guy, Colin Farrell. Sierra
32:04
and I did a pod with
32:06
him. What was that, 2018?
32:08
In person? This is right when he
32:10
was being like paraded around like this
32:12
is the guy, you know, it was
32:14
after in in 02 Tiger land. This
32:17
could be a next guy guy. Yeah.
32:19
Yeah. It's his Russell Crowe mid 90s
32:21
kind of moment where it's like you
32:23
might be hearing from this guy in
32:25
a real way now. I put it
32:27
as his Jude Law Gadokarole. Jude Law.
32:29
Yeah, exactly. To where it's like, hey,
32:31
Ethan Hawks deleted this, but there's this
32:33
new guy, Jude Law, and we're going
32:36
to give him time to cook a
32:38
little bit because he's going to be
32:40
on. The top like Billy Jacoby and
32:42
just one of the guys same thing
32:44
It's like this is a joist hyzer
32:46
movie, but but this is really just
32:48
one of the guys just one of
32:50
the guys the little brother the comedic
32:52
genius Billy Jacoby As
32:55
I'm distracted by just one of the guys.
32:57
Yeah, okay. I just final. I just I
32:59
think about the the final scene. Yeah. Think
33:01
about the reveal. We're going to distract you
33:03
when we talk about the pre -cogs later.
33:05
The reveal. Samantha Morton as a pre -cog. Yeah.
33:08
Max Von Cytoh. A formative moment for me
33:10
as a kid. Cytoh. Your guy Max Von
33:12
Cytoh. Yeah. The evil Nazi from victory. We
33:15
lost Vin. Catherine Walker. Because you
33:17
weren't expecting it because. Are
33:19
you talking about just one of the guys? Yeah. Okay. You
33:22
weren't expecting it because when she
33:24
does it, you're like, oh, and
33:26
it's a PG movie. And it's
33:29
like, not only is she a
33:31
girl, but she is a fucking
33:33
woman. Yeah. Wow. And
33:36
you're making CR uncomfortable. Oh, no,
33:38
I'm all good. You're
33:40
back. All right. Catherine Walker,
33:42
Big Mom Fur, Neil McDonough from
33:44
Dorchester Mass. That's right. Better
33:47
than that guy. Great guy. A
33:49
working man. Throw a cowboy hat on him
33:52
and put him in anything you want and
33:54
he's ready to go. Walking tall with a
33:56
rock. Yeah, like
33:58
just a working man. Yeah. Love
34:00
that guy. Music by John Williams. Cinematography
34:02
by Janusz Kaminski. Written by Scott
34:04
Frank. Yep. Spielberg. Only
34:07
nominated for an Oscar for
34:10
sound editing. And I really
34:12
want to litigate this. Oh,
34:14
okay. Best picture
34:16
that year Chicago wins Gangs of
34:18
New York the hours Lord of
34:20
the Rings two towers the pianist
34:22
Director Polanski wins. Hmm Rob Marshall
34:24
controversy Rob Marshall for Chicago Scorsese
34:26
Steven Daldry for the hours Pedro.
34:28
I'm out of our mutt of
34:30
our Aldo Aldo out of our
34:32
whatever talk to her Spielberg just
34:34
shut out Yeah, I mean, a
34:36
really weird way when and this
34:38
almost feels like a little like
34:40
people are like, all right, Steve,
34:42
enough. He had his the the
34:44
Schindler's Private Ryan run, maybe like
34:46
where everybody's just like, you're good
34:48
now. don't know how this was.
34:50
I don't know. I mean, like
34:52
when you watch this movie and
34:55
you watch Chicago, which I have
34:57
not watched this movie versus Lord
34:59
of the Rings, like, really? Well,
35:01
all right, you're going to get
35:03
Jesus Christ. Fucking guys in your
35:05
mentions, right? Yeah. What
35:07
are you doing? Well, the rings is
35:09
about the two towers. He is. I
35:12
might even a huge lower versus minority report.
35:14
Have you have first of all, have you seen
35:16
Lord of the Rings two dollars? So
35:19
get off the one with the
35:21
towers Shawn Aston in it. He
35:23
is hours. That was good. That
35:25
was a good movie. Yeah, I
35:27
think what hurts at those we
35:29
don't have the nine movie categories
35:31
at this point. a movie category.
35:33
It makes it director. We could
35:35
argue about also Spielberg has LeBron
35:37
James syndrome. You could basically give
35:39
him a best directing not for
35:41
almost every film that he directs.
35:43
So he's probably competing against himself.
35:45
Didn't realize Rich Paul was here.
35:48
God, man, don't. Now you're going to tell us
35:50
that Chris Bosh wasn't part of the big
35:52
three. Sean asked him to have no role in
35:55
getting the ring to Mordor. It wasn't a
35:57
big three. Chris Bosh was a bench guy. All
35:59
right, then the Michael Jordan syndrome. He's directing
36:01
against himself. And if he is directing against himself,
36:03
Minority Report is not going to be a
36:05
movie that you're going to be like, oh my
36:07
god, he has to get nominated. I can
36:09
never tell if Rich really likes being on McAfee.
36:11
I don't know, man. Do want
36:13
to skip this topic? Let's
36:15
move on hundred two million
36:17
dollar budget. It made three hundred
36:20
fifty four million dollars. Yeah,
36:22
yeah Roger Ebert. What do you
36:24
think, man? How
36:26
many stars? think
36:28
three and a half four and a
36:30
half stars four stars four stars. I can
36:32
see him loving this. I'm just gonna
36:34
read this because it's really good American movies
36:36
are in the midst of a transition
36:38
period. He's right Spielberg, who
36:40
is a master of technology, trusts only
36:42
story and character, and then uses
36:44
everything else as a workman, uses his
36:46
tools. He makes Minority
36:49
Report the new technology. Other
36:51
directors seem to be trying to make their movies
36:53
from it. The film
36:55
is such a virtuoso, high -wire
36:57
act, daring so much, achieving it with
36:59
such grace and skill. Minority
37:01
Report reminds us why we go to the
37:03
movies in the first place. Wow. Raj is
37:05
like, fucking. That's like a four and
37:07
a half stars. Yeah, it's like a
37:10
Dave Meltzer five -star match All right, we're
37:12
gonna the categories most rewatchable scene Howard
37:14
Marx is about to kill his wife
37:16
Yeah, I just let's just say up
37:18
front. There are great scenes in this
37:20
movie, but this is a great sequence
37:22
movie Oh, yeah, where it'll be like
37:24
one scene bleeds into the next, you
37:26
know what I mean chase into a
37:28
chase Yeah, it's difficult to say like
37:30
whether or not it's Are there three
37:32
scenes in the Howard Marks thing? The
37:34
surgery scene, and then the scene after
37:36
that. Howard Marks is
37:38
red ball. Yeah. So we
37:40
learned that the red ball
37:43
killing still occur. It's
37:45
like they don't spend 10 minutes explaining it. They're
37:47
just like, oh, this is a red ball. It's
37:49
like, what's a red ball? And just kind of
37:51
gets sucked in. Right. And the idea is basically
37:53
that premeditated murder is almost extinct because people know
37:55
they will be caught. Yeah. One of the cool
37:57
things about this movie is this is a pretty
37:59
far fetched crazy premise and you get it within
38:01
10 minutes. Yeah. It's like, we're trying to stop
38:03
out. This is the pre -crime division. We're
38:06
trying to prevent all crime with these
38:08
three fucking bald women in the water
38:10
who can see stuff ahead of time.
38:12
And if they tell us, they'll send
38:14
a red ball and we got to
38:16
stop it before it happens. Yeah. Yeah.
38:18
Boom. I get it. And like the
38:20
passion of the crime and the humanity
38:22
of it matter, right? Because they can't,
38:25
there are a couple crimes that they
38:27
can't stop. Yeah. But murder is, it,
38:29
triggers the precogs and then I like
38:31
the merry -go -round thing where Cruz is
38:33
like With his hands moving. Yeah, and
38:35
then figures out that it's a merry
38:37
-go -round Good scene all around next one
38:39
Cruz figures out the Leo crow murder
38:41
and sees himself Can
38:56
you say something, Chief? No.
39:02
A very cool scene. That
39:04
is just a brilliant scene.
39:06
He's got the people up
39:09
there. He's got his guy
39:11
behind him. He has to steal
39:13
the ball, and he's figuring out
39:15
for himself the shock of it.
39:17
This is why I always say
39:19
that, and other people say, Tom
39:21
Cruise is actually underrated. as an
39:23
actor to me. I totally agree.
39:25
He's because when you see everything
39:27
that's going on, he's doing so
39:29
many different things emotionally and the
39:32
audience is basically reading it from
39:34
his face. And it's fantastic. You're
39:36
talking to a guy who thinks he should have been nominated
39:38
for cocktail. So for cocktail. Yeah,
39:40
he's amazing. This is remember when we
39:42
were doing WIC and we talked about
39:44
the the moment WIC goes up to
39:46
the nightclub bouncer. Yeah, that until he
39:49
falls off the balcony in the nightclub.
39:51
And it's like 11 minutes or something
39:53
like that. I'm like, that's like the
39:55
best 11 minutes of action movies. The
39:57
moment from when Wally says, I
40:00
like you, chief. That's why I'll give
40:02
you two minutes before I have
40:04
you along. That's the 40th minute to
40:06
where Anderson pulls out in the
40:08
new car is 55 minutes. It's a
40:10
15 minute run. Wow. And it
40:12
is fucking pure. I have two. Yeah,
40:14
I have almost two scenes in
40:16
there. Yeah. I feel like,
40:18
uh, I feel like Jack
40:20
Sanders would give me two minutes to get out of
40:22
here. Oh, yeah, I think so. Jack, I
40:24
feel like you give me the two minutes. Wait a minute. Did
40:27
you just make Jack
40:30
the weird fucking temple
40:32
Bricog kissing the unconscious
40:34
woman? didn't. Jack, bro,
40:36
stand the fuck up. No, I didn't.
40:38
It was a compliment. I
40:41
just think Jack would do that. I like your
40:43
chief. I'm gonna give you two minutes before I
40:45
call Spotify security. Ben's telling me right
40:47
away. He's like, here he is, get him! Actually,
40:49
y 'all don't even know me because I'd be like,
40:51
I'd help you escape. Yeah, that is stupid. I'd help
40:53
you get out of here. Jack can't talk. He's
40:55
in a pool of milk. Jack,
40:59
he made you, he just, that's
41:01
how I built things I was
41:03
complimenting him. Weird kissing. No. That's
41:06
bullshit. You stop.
41:09
The elevator ride with Carl Farrell's goodness. Great
41:12
thing. We get a 2054 car
41:14
chase. We get
41:16
Max on Sido. Now that you've seen this movie
41:18
a bunch of times. Seedow. Seedow.
41:20
Yeah. Just for all my Max guys out there,
41:22
you know, I just didn't want you to. I
41:24
never knew that. Yeah. Max on Seedow. I thought
41:26
it was, yeah. Max. I
41:28
defer to you, but I never knew
41:30
that. As Dr. Charles Nichols, which you
41:32
realize this as you're watching this. Yeah.
41:34
I mean, if you if you know Richard,
41:37
where are
41:40
you? I
41:43
love that guy in those movies. This
41:45
has to this has the I like you,
41:47
chief guy. I love when that guy
41:49
is in any movie where it's guys like,
41:51
I could probably but just go and
41:53
then I'll do it. And then the Charles
41:55
Nichols and then Cruz jumping on the
41:57
Jetsons cars is phenomenal. And
41:59
then which leads to the next scene. I
42:01
just wrote down Cruz gets away from eight
42:03
guys. Cruise runs
42:06
peak cruise running fire
42:08
escape jet pack fight.
42:10
Yep cruise jumps 50
42:12
stories possible nitpick because
42:14
he's climbing a fire
42:16
escape for like what? Nine
42:19
stories, but then falls 50
42:21
stories. Oh, just it's good.
42:24
It's noted. I love
42:26
when the jump like the skydiver
42:28
move where you you don't have a
42:30
pack but you jump on the
42:32
other skydiver they have that I
42:34
really like when somebody crashes through an
42:37
apartment, but they show the people in
42:39
the apartment not doing anything like I'm
42:41
just on my computer and then Tom
42:43
Cruise falls through more crews running crane
42:45
fight with Colin Farrell. Uh -huh. I
42:47
love that, Colin Farrell. W .W. Hell in
42:49
the Cell 1997 crane fight. Kisses his
42:51
chain and you know that's his little
42:53
- Yeah, it gets a little fucking
42:55
Irish on him. And then it ends
42:57
with Cruz being embedded in a Tesla.
42:59
Yeah. What a
43:01
sequence. 15 minutes. And also,
43:04
So cool that Spielberg is like I'm
43:06
gonna do the jet pack Fight
43:08
the jet pack chase and then you're
43:10
like, oh you're catching your breath
43:12
and he's like not only a motherfucker
43:14
We're going into a car factory
43:16
and we're gonna for cranes at this
43:18
guy. Yeah, and every part of
43:21
it has it's the little futures elements
43:23
the little Stun gun where you
43:25
whip that motherfucker around and then you
43:27
shoot it again then they're fighting
43:29
then Another futures element a totally automated
43:31
car factory that no human
43:33
workers in it, people are fighting. Nobody
43:35
is stopping to go, hey, stop fighting. Go
43:37
get the super. Right. Well, get the good
43:39
foreman. Like the car gets built around him
43:42
and then he drives around it. A completely
43:44
consistent movie the entire way through. And it's
43:46
such a great image because he's being like
43:48
hemmed in by all this technology anyway. So
43:50
he's being like imprisoned in the automation of
43:52
all this stuff. And you get your product
43:54
placement in there. Yeah. Lexus. Lexus. Short
43:56
scene, but the crew's flashback to when
43:58
he loses his kid is good with the
44:01
breath holding and the foreshadowing. Next
44:03
one I have is Blind Crews
44:05
moves through the decrepit apartment building
44:07
as the ID spiders come after
44:09
him. Absolutely
44:28
Spielberg in his bag the overhead
44:30
shot of all the little rooms the
44:32
people having sex people fighting but
44:34
stopping for just one second so
44:36
that the spiders can scan their
44:38
retinas unbelievable you can see when other
44:40
people have Jack Steven Spielberg right
44:42
yeah because because he that's the
44:44
first time I've seen that I'm
44:46
sure someone had did it before but
44:49
then I think immediately well that's
44:51
John Wick Four and the you
44:53
know when you're when he's got
44:55
the the dragons breath shotgun and he's
44:57
doing the whole deal It's fantastic.
44:59
And that's also one of the
45:01
to me scenes in the movie.
45:03
That's the most heavily influenced by the
45:05
Matrix Just those little spider guys
45:07
come another influence. Yeah, I have
45:09
two things off this scene Spielberg
45:12
was gonna create the air bubbles rising
45:14
with CGI and Tom Cruise said
45:16
Steve I got you Give
45:19
me some time to figure out to do this myself. Which
45:22
leads us to a brand new
45:24
award of the rewatchables. The
45:26
Tom Cruise learned how to do it
45:28
himself award. Which
45:30
goes to Tom Cruise. Steve,
45:33
just give me two weeks to figure
45:35
out this air bubble thing. There's
45:38
no bigger maniac who's not
45:40
in prison than Tom Cruise. Just
45:42
think of him in bodies of
45:44
water with spotters. And
45:46
then popping up and going. How many
45:48
with the air bubble? Well, that's the isn't
45:50
that the Matt Damon joke or who
45:52
told that story where it's like Tom Cruise
45:54
is like planning the stunt for like
45:56
eight years And the safety guy is like
45:58
you can't do it. We can't assure
46:01
this. So I got to do safety guy
46:03
Remember like the video the audio that
46:05
came out when Tom Cruise was explaining to
46:07
the people on set How important what
46:09
it is that he was doing is like,
46:11
remember that? Yeah, like on the set
46:13
of like the mummy or something. No, it
46:15
wasn't from the mummy. It was I
46:17
think it was either from it was recent.
46:19
It was like, it was during COVID.
46:21
He was like, yeah, I think
46:23
it was mission. Yeah, it was one of
46:25
the missions. And he was like, we're trying
46:27
to save movies here. Yeah. And people thought
46:29
that that was going to be a clip
46:31
that made people like not like Cruise. No,
46:33
people were like, yes. People were like, yeah,
46:35
fuck yeah. The best was when he Broke
46:37
his ankle jumping and then just kept running
46:39
because he didn't want them to lose the
46:41
scene. His fucking ankle was snapped like he
46:44
was it was like I Kevin wear the
46:46
Louisville guy. Yeah. And he's just like, let
46:48
me let me fucking drag my leg because
46:50
I don't want to lose this shot. Like
46:52
Cruz is nuts. Yes. He's there's nobody like
46:54
him. So that's one. And then the other
46:56
one. Top four
46:58
blind guy scene of all time. Yeah,
47:01
it's everything I have a
47:03
real like phobia about I stuff
47:05
just cuz like and I
47:07
So I have two nominees and
47:09
I don't know what the
47:11
third one is the blood sport
47:14
fight with Vonda That
47:31
one. Uh -huh. Son of
47:33
a woman dancing? Yeah. Son a woman dancing.
47:35
That one. And there's probably one more. So this
47:37
is three. I don't know what the fourth
47:39
member of Mount Rushmore is for blind guys. know
47:41
in the comments what blind Mount Rushmore is.
47:43
Craig, do you have any blind guy thoughts? Um,
47:46
no. I wasn't prepared for blind guy
47:48
corner. Blind
47:50
man Rushmore. We're still one short. Yeah. Anyone
47:52
has any nominees? Comment below. We have comments
47:54
on Spotify now. Oh, good.
47:56
Comments. Great. Next
47:59
one I have is Cruz takes the
48:01
pre -cock to Dweezel Zappa's club. Yeah, I
48:03
think I saw a van in one of
48:05
the rooms I Rewound it. So funny.
48:07
I thought I saw you in there What
48:10
would you be doing if you could
48:12
do anything one of those clubs, you know
48:14
virtual what I would be like virtual
48:16
I know everyone wants to zero vans can
48:18
be having a virtual orgy or something
48:20
like that, but that's not what it would
48:22
be. I'll be Everybody thinks that I
48:24
would be virtual LSU quarterback. Yeah, is that
48:26
that's what I would be Oh, that's
48:28
virtual LSU quarterback. All right guys. We're gonna
48:30
go why dig X
48:32
go see no, this is oh
48:35
too. You're just handing it
48:37
off man Spread offense yet. Yeah,
48:39
that is true way more
48:41
physical game back then I would
48:43
do a virtual hunt for
48:45
an October rewatchables because I can't
48:48
do that in real life
48:50
I really like to use those
48:52
app as club, but I
48:54
like futuristic Total recall
48:56
has this too where they it's like
48:58
the one place they can get super
49:00
fun in a sci -fi thing where
49:02
it's like well There's gonna be a
49:05
nightclub or like an orgy place and
49:07
they'll just it's nuts. All right two
49:09
more Cruz has to kill Leo Crow
49:11
You still have a choice Mike Bender
49:13
yeah, like binder binder like binder. Yeah
49:15
Or bender. Yeah, I'm not sure. I
49:17
think it's I think it's bender to
49:19
I'm certain it's Max Vansita, but I
49:21
do not know about Mike. He's the
49:24
mind of a married man guy. Yeah
49:26
Yeah. Not a good show. Um,
49:29
just not good. Not a
49:31
good, not one of HBO's best efforts. But he's
49:33
also, he's a writer director. Did he direct the
49:35
Indian summer? Oh, no, I
49:37
love that movie. The one he did that was interesting
49:40
was that one with Costar and Joan Allen. I
49:42
thought that was pretty good. Is that Costar and Joan
49:44
Allen? Whatever that movie was, where Joan Allen's divorced
49:46
lady with kids and falls for Kevin Costar. Oh. So
49:48
it's odd. I don't know what the fuck you're
49:50
talking about. What is that? Listen, I'm sorry. I'm a
49:52
Costner fan. Oh, there you go. Sorry. I'm a
49:54
fan of one of the great actors of the last
49:56
40 years. I'll fuck with him, too. I'm
50:00
gonna give a borderline. Maybe
50:02
could have toned back Agatha a tiny bit in
50:04
this scene. In Leo Crow.
50:07
Yeah in the movie theater I remember
50:09
seeing this in the theater and my
50:11
big nitpick was like Agatha is just
50:13
a bad hang well She's a psychic
50:15
who's been living in a pool of
50:17
milk. So I get it Yeah, I
50:19
think she's got some big emotions, you
50:21
know, I can't walk because I get
50:23
it I found her disturbing. Yeah, right.
50:25
I think that was kind of the
50:28
point But I get it but that
50:30
is kind of not a fun hang
50:32
Bad hang that is kind of tender
50:34
slave You
50:36
know that you would immediately take
50:38
Agatha to the sports book. While I
50:40
have you here. you
50:43
think Nomar gets more than two hits
50:45
tonight? What do you know about hockey? King's
50:49
Oilers? Anyone? Last
50:54
one. Lamar Burgess gets caught. This
50:57
is basically the fugitive. I don't know why
50:59
we ran back the fugitive, but we're doing
51:01
all the same beats. We have the there's
51:03
a banquet. He's being celebrated. He
51:05
gets found out by our hero who is the
51:07
fugitive. And I wrote down
51:10
is there a better time to spring
51:12
the I know you didn't move
51:14
than when somebody is being honored at
51:16
a banquet. And there's just
51:18
people in tuxedos. That's probably the number one
51:20
spot, right? Yeah. What else would
51:22
you do? I mean, they can't do
51:24
anything. So your most rewatchable is that 15
51:26
minutes, right? Yes, but can I throw
51:28
two more in there just because I have
51:30
some Deon waiters nominees later and I
51:32
would be remiss if I didn't highlight their
51:35
scenes. I love the greenhouse. It's such
51:37
a crazy gear shift and That seems freaks
51:39
me out, but I I'll allow her
51:41
improvising on set kissing him and that's Tom
51:43
Cruise's real reaction because she didn't say
51:45
I'm gonna kiss you on the lips here
51:47
Yeah, great and also just explains everything
51:49
that's going on in the movie and then
51:53
Just the pier storm our eye
51:55
surgeon. Yeah, you know disgrace
51:57
plastic surgeon who's like remember me,
51:59
you know, you put me
52:01
away and Miss Van Eck, you
52:03
know the Russian or the
52:05
Swedish Nurse that he has just
52:07
really creepy and pure Philip
52:09
K. Dick. I've the only one
52:11
that did you it's not
52:13
mentioned is the first meetup between
52:16
Colin Farrell and Tom
52:18
Cruise Oh, yeah, the feel -out. Yeah,
52:20
the feel -out where he rolls the
52:22
ball and goes, hey, you caught that,
52:24
where there are two different perspectives
52:26
on pre -crime or clashing. Like,
52:28
that's one of the best scenes in the movie. It's a
52:30
good pew -pew moment for you there. Good pew -pew moment.
52:32
Yeah, it's a pew -pew in there. What the hell, what
52:35
do you mean by that? No, just like, you
52:37
went big picture for us. You
52:39
like it. You pew -pewed us.
52:43
I have the 15 -minute stretch as well.
52:45
Yeah. But... about
52:47
as good as it gets, man.
52:49
I gotta say, the ID spiders
52:51
are fucking incredible. And
52:53
the way they shoot, where you can see all
52:55
these different kind of CD apartments and rooms. And
52:57
then how he tries to beat the spiders, he's
52:59
afraid to go blind. You think he's gonna beat
53:01
them and then he doesn't beat them? It
53:04
says everything about the way the society
53:06
is structured in that world where all these
53:08
people living in this tenement are like,
53:10
this is just a fact of life that
53:12
I have to allow this fucking... robotic
53:14
spider to scan my retina while I'm
53:16
in the middle of fighting with my
53:19
wife. They do the Cooper games. See,
53:21
no banners, but you get to, they get
53:23
to, they get to see, and then the
53:25
spiders crawl out. But look,
53:28
but to that point, though, they've
53:30
traded that in order to have
53:32
a society with with no murders.
53:34
So it's like even litigating with
53:36
Craig, what do you have for
53:38
most rewatchable scene? I
53:40
agree with CR. I think that that
53:42
action sequence in that like factory is
53:44
the most entertaining part of the movie
53:46
to me. Okay. What's the
53:48
most 2002 thing about this movie? Still
53:51
normal, Tom Cruise. No
53:54
social media in the 50 year
53:56
future of things. Yeah. Social
53:58
media is not in this movie. They
54:00
didn't realize what was about to happen
54:02
with phones. Yeah, also like the idea
54:05
that it's like He that the person
54:07
is reading USA today rather than like,
54:09
you know, I have cut a cutting
54:11
-edge virtual USA today in 2002 made
54:13
sense I got one too young mustache
54:15
Colin Farrell was the other one ahead.
54:17
What do you have physical media? Hmm
54:20
his memories of his son
54:22
Aren't streaming though. He has to
54:25
get little discs right out
54:27
and put them in there. It's
54:29
one the things they got
54:31
wrong One last one which I
54:33
think is the winner the
54:36
TV show Cops being integrated in
54:38
a 2054 movie scene. Cops
54:41
is long gone. Yeah. Yeah. It made
54:43
sense to know too, though. I would
54:45
just say probably the introduction slash warnings
54:47
of government surveillance and overreach coming out
54:49
of 9 -11, which is
54:51
like he's, you know, I don't remember when
54:53
the Patriot Act is exactly passed, but
54:55
like this is right around when it's like,
54:57
are we sure we want to have
54:59
like unconditional surveillance powers? Like the Spiky Bat.
55:01
Bat speaks of that. Yeah. Right. The
55:05
okay motherfucker award for the exact
55:07
moment when this movie goes up a
55:09
notch Cruz gets grabbed by the
55:11
pre -cock. Oh Or would
55:13
you go? Oh, I go him
55:15
and Neil McDonough and him be
55:17
like everybody runs and then Steven
55:19
Spielberg stages an actual jetpack fight
55:21
Yeah, if you were seeing the
55:23
behind the scenes for that scene
55:25
No, it's fucking mind -blowing that first
55:28
of all like the it's on
55:30
wires, but it's all happening practically
55:32
on a set And Spielberg is
55:34
basically like, it's like he's
55:36
Coltrade. He's like, we're going to do this. And
55:38
then I'm going to come here. Tom, I
55:40
need you for two seconds to say this. Cut.
55:42
OK, moving on. And he's just like breaking
55:44
down. It's one of the coolest, like behind the
55:46
scenes, five minute videos you can see, because
55:48
it's just like Spielberg with like basically no storyboard
55:50
being like this. OK, cut. Now I want
55:52
you to do this. Tom, one more time. Thank
55:54
you. Awesome. And it's like he just pieces
55:56
this thing together in his head. It's amazing. You
55:59
think Spielberg is a genius? What?
56:01
Yeah. Like a real genius.
56:03
No, I think to be able
56:05
to see story and execute it to that level.
56:07
I think he's an actual genius. Yeah, I
56:09
agree. Because I think the word genius gets thrown
56:11
a lot. Okay. This would
56:14
be a good podcast where we just decide
56:16
if somebody's a genius or not each episode. I
56:18
think to me it's no brainer. Maybe it'd
56:20
be a two minute podcast. Well,
56:22
no, I mean, I think that, well, I guess
56:24
the question would be, I
56:26
mean, actually, the question would be
56:28
not who is a genius, but it
56:30
would be who isn't one because
56:32
of all those high level directors, some
56:35
of them are probably just great workmen
56:37
and understand film. But then some of
56:39
them are able to do things and
56:42
translate story and emotion in a way
56:44
that is just innate in a way.
56:46
They just understand what people need to
56:48
see and need to feel. It's almost
56:50
like. the fantasy brain in your head,
56:53
you can see it and translate it as
56:55
a director. And only I think a few
56:57
people can actually do that where they can
56:59
just be like, I see this room and
57:01
I storyboarded this before and that curtains get,
57:03
and they just like, they're in some fucking
57:05
alternate universe as they're in the real universe. I
57:09
have three Tom Cruise awards in a row for
57:11
you. The Tom Cruise Award
57:13
for most awkward moment when someone
57:15
kisses Tom Cruise. That goes
57:17
to Dr. Iris kissing Cruise. The
57:20
Tom Cruise running award for best running in
57:22
a movie. I think it's
57:24
Tom Cruise, but I thought Farrell had a nice
57:26
little moment there with the skid. Yeah. So
57:28
I don't know. Do you want to talk this?
57:30
was a runoff. It was pretty good.
57:33
Tom gets it going. Because he comes
57:35
around the corner. In a movie
57:37
when Tom starts running, you go, man, Tom
57:39
is the best running guy in a movie
57:41
that we've seen. But then Farrell comes right
57:43
around and you go, And you
57:45
run as well. He's a good athlete
57:47
and then he did Miami Vice and
57:49
he probably hasn't run since then The
57:52
only Tom Cruise would do this award
57:54
Could be Telling Spielberg. He's got the
57:56
little drops of oxygen Shaving his head
57:58
at the end for I don't really
58:00
feel like a like because they put
58:02
him in the prison thing and they
58:04
have to put the halo on his
58:06
head But they could have bald capped
58:08
him. He's like no actually shave it
58:11
And then Cruz's eyes actually being held back
58:13
by those metal sticks, which seemed real. I
58:15
think that's the winner. Just thank God he
58:17
didn't, like, I want to replace my own
58:19
eyeballs. He probably
58:22
asked. He's
58:24
like, what if we actually replaced my
58:26
eyes? They're like, Tom, Tom, no. Steve, I've
58:28
got a crazy idea. Crazy idea. There's
58:30
these other eyeballs. What's
58:32
age the best? What
58:34
he has here all the
58:36
noir Philip K dick elements PKD
58:38
loves a blind drug dealer
58:40
PKD a disgraced plastic surgeon He
58:42
loves a wheelchair bound prison
58:44
supervisor like all of these kind
58:46
of broken damaged people are
58:48
very big factors in his books
58:50
and it was cool to
58:52
see them show up in the
58:54
movie in some way because
58:56
Spielberg is usually a little bit
58:58
more shiny happy the moving
59:00
things thingy like Him moving stuff
59:02
around way better than disclosure.
59:04
Okay, so Disclosure man. Yeah
59:06
That age really well first of all
59:08
like it doesn't an iron man, but
59:10
then like that my Apple Vision Pro,
59:13
which I'm back on Oh, oh, you're
59:15
you bought the dip I'm back on
59:17
the Apple Vision Pro because they upload
59:19
they they updated the NBA app on
59:21
it. Oh fucking fantastic, okay? Fantastic. Back
59:23
on it. But, you know, I'm doing
59:25
that. I'm moving stuff around and I'm
59:27
the whole deal at that age really
59:29
well. I
59:31
had Cruz using his hands to
59:33
read pre -crime stuff. Yeah. But
59:36
added, you know, he studied like Tai
59:38
Chi or some some sort of something
59:40
to learn. He definitely had some sort
59:42
of instructor. He's chasing the dragon for
59:45
how to make the moves. I'm
59:47
just going to read you what I wrote about Agatha. Samantha
59:50
Morton is Agatha is so creepy and
59:52
weird. It's a great performance. And I
59:54
also kind of hate her in this
59:56
movie. But I think it's
59:59
a great performance. But she's a
1:00:01
rough performance, but a rough hang in
1:00:03
this movie. She intentionally it has to
1:00:05
be that way. Well, yeah, I mean,
1:00:07
she kind of jerks you out of
1:00:09
the kinetic energy of the movie a
1:00:11
little bit. And I mean, she's the
1:00:13
victim of the movie. Yeah. And so
1:00:15
she has to like Stop
1:00:17
the momentum of everything that's happening and
1:00:19
like humanize the movie a little
1:00:21
bit And I think you probably I
1:00:23
didn't want that you just wanted
1:00:26
your popcorn It's just it's it's tough.
1:00:28
It's in tough care when we
1:00:30
get to casting what if so it's
1:00:32
an interesting conversation So Danny says
1:00:34
how much time do we have after
1:00:36
Cruz kidnaps Agatha and a pre -crime
1:00:38
officer says 51 minutes 30 seconds Steve
1:00:42
Spielberg, our guy. That's exactly the amount of time until
1:00:44
the end of the movie. Oh, he goes real time.
1:00:46
He says that. I
1:00:48
said people doing normal stuff in their room
1:00:50
or kitchen when somebody suddenly crashes through it.
1:00:53
And then Tom Cruise says the title in
1:00:56
the movie, which you know I love.
1:00:58
I also love adult Spielberg. So this is
1:01:00
a movie with sex, adultery, drug use,
1:01:02
murder, you know, like. It's still
1:01:04
the Spielberg version of it. But it's he's
1:01:06
got it. He's got it. The guy's Howard
1:01:08
Marx's wife in the beginning isn't. Riding anybody
1:01:10
or anything with the woman in the ten
1:01:12
minutes the woman in the apartment building is
1:01:14
right Yes, it's it's I think he has
1:01:17
a complicated relationship with this stuff with what
1:01:19
sex. Yeah, you don't think he likes it.
1:01:21
I think it makes him nervous Sex makes
1:01:23
him nervous. Yeah, you talked to him about
1:01:25
it. I'll bring it up if I What
1:01:29
do you got for Great Shack Orta? I got two.
1:01:31
I love the scene when they
1:01:34
are in the Leo Crow apartment
1:01:36
building lobby and both of their
1:01:38
heads are in the frame. And
1:01:40
they both, you know, they've both like kind
1:01:42
of like, they almost looks like Agatha is
1:01:44
an extension of his consciousness. But the best
1:01:46
shot is definitely the overhead of all the
1:01:48
apartments being invaded by the spiders. Yeah, that
1:01:50
is the best shot of the movie. There's
1:01:52
a shot at the end where the movie
1:01:54
reminds you that you're in Washington, D .C. Vonsito.
1:01:59
Vonsito. Vonsito, I think. It's talking to
1:02:01
Tom and the Washington Monuments in the back
1:02:03
and like, you know where you are.
1:02:05
But then I point out one, like,
1:02:09
this is the kind of stuff that Spielberg does. I'm going to show
1:02:11
this to Chris. See this? That's
1:02:14
the little bit of extra stuff.
1:02:16
So that's the scene that's in
1:02:18
where they're talking. And
1:02:20
Neil McDonough's character, the
1:02:22
camera pans back behind his head
1:02:24
and he like splits them. Yeah,
1:02:26
and visually Spielberg just says these
1:02:28
are two guys on opposite sides
1:02:30
opposite sides and He uses a
1:02:32
character in the movie to break
1:02:34
them apart as they're facing each
1:02:36
other little stuff like that that
1:02:38
Throws you into the film. There's
1:02:40
tons of video essays You can
1:02:42
watch on YouTube that are talk
1:02:44
about this broadly and then specifically
1:02:46
with minority report is basically the
1:02:48
way Spielberg will Do what other
1:02:51
people usually do like multiple camera
1:02:53
setups and editing to shoot a
1:02:55
conversation, right? So, like, if we
1:02:57
were three of us talking, there
1:02:59
would be a camera, camera, camera
1:03:01
on me, and then a master
1:03:03
shot, and he would cut between
1:03:05
those angles. But what Spielberg can
1:03:07
do in this movie is go
1:03:09
into Bill, now I'm
1:03:11
going to pan back towards the La Croix can,
1:03:13
but then I'm going to whip pan over
1:03:15
and Chris is looking at Van and I move
1:03:17
slowly to Van. And it's like, there's four
1:03:19
shots in one shot. We have
1:03:22
to get, like, what are those called? Those
1:03:24
things you put over the cans. A
1:03:26
beer cozy kind of thing? Yeah. We need like
1:03:28
a ringer or somebody should make us a
1:03:30
rewatchable beer cozy. Okay. You know what I I
1:03:32
feel like LaCroix just gets like free advertising
1:03:34
every episode. Let me tell you what I loved.
1:03:37
I do like LaCroix though. This is,
1:03:39
I have to name this.
1:03:41
Yeah. What CR was just
1:03:43
saying was this really brilliantly
1:03:45
technical. I had nothing to
1:03:47
add. It was a great point. It
1:03:53
was great. I had nothing to add. It's
1:03:56
cool. I was just moved on to
1:03:58
the next thing. We call that the Simmons
1:04:00
cell. It's like, he acknowledges that you're
1:04:02
there, but it's not like, oh,
1:04:04
let's get into it. It's fine. I think it's
1:04:06
great. It's hard to
1:04:08
host. Well
1:04:16
because I was listening to you talking
1:04:18
and I felt like I was filming
1:04:20
a liqori commercial and then I got
1:04:22
so conscious about it. was enthralled. I
1:04:24
was enthralled too. Oh
1:04:27
god. Kid Cuddy pursued happiness award, best needle
1:04:30
trap. Is Moon River in this Moon River?
1:04:32
I didn't hear one fucking song. had that
1:04:34
theme song from cops. It is Chris or
1:04:36
at least I heard that as well. Yeah.
1:04:38
When he's walking through the mall it's playing,
1:04:40
right? That's right. That's right. Biccahuna
1:04:42
burger were best use of food and drink. Blind
1:04:44
crews eating a bad sandwich and eating gross milk.
1:04:46
Fucking disgusting. Why is that stuff in there with
1:04:48
like a nice healthy sandwich? Because they're fucking with
1:04:51
him, right? I always thought that they were fucking
1:04:53
with him. I think they were fucking with him.
1:04:55
Yeah, it's also like the idea that like he's
1:04:57
not the first guy to be in this apartment
1:04:59
blind waiting for his timer to go off. So
1:05:01
it's like somebody else is in there. The
1:05:03
Chess Rockwell and Brock Landers award
1:05:06
for best character name. Lamar Burgess.
1:05:08
Pretty good. I have Agatha Dash
1:05:10
and Arthur. think he's
1:05:12
13th down. Todd McShay's draft. Lamar Burgess.
1:05:14
Yeah. What was the senior year
1:05:16
as a receiver? Yeah. Okay. What?
1:05:19
I was asking what position he
1:05:21
plays. Lamar Burgess. How many weight Lamar
1:05:23
Burgess's would you think would be
1:05:25
in the NFL draft? That's true. Nose
1:05:27
tackle? Yeah. Oh, big D tackle
1:05:29
from Mike Selma. Like, he used to
1:05:31
weigh 360, but now he's 325.
1:05:33
He's in the best shape of his
1:05:36
Lamar Burgess. Let me tell
1:05:38
you who I really love, that nobody's talking about.
1:05:40
Troy's Lamar Burgess. This kid's a fucking
1:05:42
animal. Yeah. Let's
1:05:45
take a break, and then we're going to come
1:05:47
back with CR's flex categories. We have some healing
1:05:49
to do after CR said, I had no soul.
1:05:51
This is a great point before I sage -stealed them.
1:05:56
Alright, so yeah, what do you
1:05:59
got flex category? I got Teddy
1:06:01
KGB award for actor doing his
1:06:03
own thing for Peter storm are
1:06:05
the black surgeon our guy, you
1:06:07
know that is from Fargo from
1:06:09
Where else? Oh,
1:06:11
eight millimeter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:06:14
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:06:16
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:06:18
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
1:06:38
Every single movie that he is he's
1:06:40
in better. You always notice him, but
1:06:42
it's never like a huge role. Yeah,
1:06:44
it's just so fascinating because he gives
1:06:46
Tom Cruise anesthetic Like as soon as
1:06:48
he walks in he basically knocks him
1:06:50
out and then he just like dances
1:06:52
around Tom Cruise and choose scenery for
1:06:54
five minutes Like does anybody ever done
1:06:56
this to Tom Cruise before where Tom
1:06:58
Cruise has got to be like oh
1:07:00
He's in a scene with Joaquin Phoenix
1:07:02
and Nick Cage just blowing them up I
1:07:07
love that guy. Butch's girlfriend,
1:07:09
weak link of the film. I
1:07:12
don't. I don't
1:07:14
really have one. Do you like Lara? I
1:07:16
thought Lara was going to be
1:07:18
the Lara or the Tom Cruise wave.
1:07:21
Category shouldn't always be like the woman
1:07:23
woman. Yeah, it's just the Lara character
1:07:25
is not that dynamic. And then I
1:07:27
guess for me, probably the weakest piece
1:07:29
of the movie is is Max just
1:07:31
fucking up and saying the girl
1:07:33
drowned. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:07:35
And. Like he's this
1:07:37
guy is so smart. He's fucking
1:07:40
replacing pre -crime memories and he's
1:07:42
just seven steps ahead everybody.
1:07:44
Recreating murders. then all of a sudden
1:07:46
he's just like, yeah, they're drown girls. Like, what do
1:07:48
you mean? I never said she drowned. It just feels like
1:07:50
a doesn't make any sense. That's probably my butchess girlfriend. What's
1:07:53
age the worst? No
1:07:55
cell phones. Cruise
1:07:59
jumping cars on the fake highway
1:08:01
is the only part of this movie
1:08:03
that doesn't look CGI that I
1:08:05
think if they do it in 25
1:08:07
They just have better technology. Yeah
1:08:09
Futuristic misses those thin glass data slides
1:08:11
you mentioned earlier the physical media. I
1:08:14
Don't know feels like easy to shatter
1:08:16
easy to break It's a very should they
1:08:18
have covers like I actually will be
1:08:20
on the cloud man Yeah, it's the best
1:08:22
part of the movie and it's why
1:08:24
people are like I don't really want to
1:08:26
make movies about Cloud and iPhones, right?
1:08:28
Because it's just like I want to have
1:08:30
the thing that we have to run.
1:08:32
Now we would just set the club. Yeah.
1:08:35
Um, there's a stretch here with the
1:08:37
long stretch with Dr. Iris right
1:08:39
into the crazy eye doctor where nothing's
1:08:41
happening for about 25 minutes and
1:08:43
is such an adrenaline rush before they
1:08:45
bring you back down. It's
1:08:48
a little long. It's definitely like
1:08:50
he's going to go get popcorn. He's
1:08:52
going down the hole there. When
1:08:54
he gets into her. And the fucking
1:08:56
plants come alive and all that
1:08:58
stuff. The plants coming alive. Just it
1:09:00
seems like a different movie to
1:09:02
me. I think on purpose, so I
1:09:04
think it's supposed to be like
1:09:06
you he's now passed into the realm
1:09:08
of like fantasy and yeah, exactly. Fox
1:09:11
did a remake series in 2015
1:09:13
that I forgot about. Mm -hmm. Didn't
1:09:15
last. Dr.
1:09:17
Iris says the precogs abilities
1:09:19
are the result of
1:09:22
brain damage. Caused
1:09:24
by parents being addicted to neurone
1:09:26
during pregnancy. Mm -hmm Don't do
1:09:28
neurone when you're pregnant So what's
1:09:30
age the worst for me? I
1:09:32
care about your kids. Even though
1:09:35
the run is not an actual
1:09:37
drug What do you got for
1:09:39
what's age the worst? I didn't
1:09:41
I just I just can't handle
1:09:43
I stuff from Clockwork or orange
1:09:45
on and when they sorry fucking
1:09:48
my number one yeah eating gross
1:09:50
shit I just can't when he
1:09:52
eats every time he eats the
1:09:54
shit and he drinks it can't
1:09:56
media thing and literally the the
1:09:58
the CGI when they're jumping around.
1:10:01
That's like Star Wars prequel level. This
1:10:03
is fake. Yeah, type of shit.
1:10:05
Yeah. And that's unfortunately, O2 is
1:10:08
right around. We had
1:10:10
some stuff figured out, but others I
1:10:12
mean, they're able to do the matrix.
1:10:14
So like it's pretty good. It looked
1:10:16
as it looked better than it had
1:10:18
ever looked up to that point. But the
1:10:20
jump between now and then like. 2008
1:10:22
when Iron Man comes out fucking sinners
1:10:24
like Michael B Jordan just playing two parts
1:10:26
next to each other for Two and
1:10:28
a half hours. Yeah, the Ruffalo Hannah
1:10:30
ribbed neck partridge over acting word. I know
1:10:33
that's an easy one. What do you
1:10:35
got exactly? I mean not
1:10:37
over. I mean just it's a turn it
1:10:39
up to fucking 14 I don't I
1:10:41
don't mind as much as you do but
1:10:43
like screaming yelling. a borderline you could
1:10:45
throw in the category. Oh
1:10:47
Yeah When
1:10:50
he's about to
1:10:53
kill Mike binder and
1:10:55
they do a
1:10:57
couple ISO shots of
1:10:59
her just screaming
1:11:01
their fucking head off.
1:11:04
It's like, okay,
1:11:06
let's take let's cut
1:11:08
one back Then
1:11:10
what do you have
1:11:12
for a flex
1:11:15
category best dick ever
1:11:17
okay, so Mine
1:11:19
is always a list, and I
1:11:21
want CR, our
1:11:23
resident dickhead here,
1:11:26
to what are
1:11:28
the best Philip
1:11:30
K. Dick movie
1:11:32
adaptations. So I got Minority
1:11:34
Report. I thought that was going to be the
1:11:36
AVN award for a second. Minority
1:11:40
Report, Total Recall,
1:11:43
Scanner Darkly. Blade Runner and then I
1:11:45
put the adjustment bureau on there because
1:11:47
I love that movie. Am I leaving
1:11:49
anything off? I don't
1:11:51
think so. There have been some
1:11:53
like animated series and series where
1:11:55
it's like riffing on themes from
1:11:57
his his works, but I think
1:11:59
those were the big ones I
1:12:01
would put Blade Runner Runner number
1:12:03
one. Blade Runner number two. So
1:12:05
give me a ranking. I would
1:12:08
go Blade Runner total recall my
1:12:10
Probably Blade Runner Minority Report total
1:12:12
recall And, and then, you
1:12:14
know, Scanner Darkly in some ways
1:12:16
is the most Philip K. Dick thing.
1:12:19
Are you an adjustment bureau guy? I'm not.
1:12:21
You're not. Are you an adjustment bureau
1:12:23
guy? No. Interesting. No, sir. I
1:12:26
think I agree with Sierra's list, but I think
1:12:28
Total Recall is also the one. If I could,
1:12:31
if I was trapped on a desert island. That's
1:12:33
what you'd watch. I'd probably take that
1:12:35
one. Yeah. To me, that's the best one. Because
1:12:37
you get the three boob lady. Yeah. You get the
1:12:39
Total Recall. I mean, yeah, that's the best. Oh,
1:12:41
no, actually, you know what? It's not
1:12:43
the best one yet. It's just
1:12:45
it's the most entertaining rewatchable of all
1:12:47
the Blade Runner is the best
1:12:49
one Blade Runner is the best one.
1:12:51
Yeah, it's like how raging bull
1:12:54
is awesome, but you wouldn't want to
1:12:56
watch yeah, you'd rather watch like
1:12:58
rocky or something, but yeah Do you
1:13:00
know that in like 2006? Somebody
1:13:03
made a Jake Lamotta movie Because
1:13:06
it was on cable. Are you serious? Yeah,
1:13:08
and it was like Jake Lamada, and it
1:13:10
was like something I forget who the actor
1:13:12
was. It was like, can you imagine being
1:13:14
like, you know what, we might be, there
1:13:16
might be time to re -explore Jake Lamada.
1:13:18
The balls on that, the balls on that
1:13:20
fucking guy. Hey, the
1:13:23
CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison
1:13:25
Ford. How does take a word? Ben,
1:13:27
do you have one? I do not. I have one. I'll
1:13:29
do one for you. Precogs.
1:13:32
The greatest professional sports gambling weapon
1:13:34
ever created a movie hands down.
1:13:36
Yeah, there's a whole subplot movie
1:13:38
with Precogs like just basically making
1:13:41
all these money for gamblers and
1:13:43
then being on the run if
1:13:45
you're John Anderton just make the
1:13:47
run to Vegas with Agatha. Why
1:13:49
can't we're close? Yeah, we're got
1:13:51
it the guy has access to
1:13:54
the Precogs and look the villain
1:13:56
here is a villain kill someone
1:13:58
but he also kind of I
1:14:01
mean, he's kind of got some
1:14:03
points, right? He tries to stop
1:14:05
murder. I wouldn't have tried to
1:14:07
stop murder if I had the
1:14:09
precogs. Right, use them financially. We
1:14:11
running it up. Yeah. We playing
1:14:13
the market. We doing all kinds
1:14:15
of stuff. We running
1:14:17
it up. He did something for the public
1:14:19
good. It's true. In a bad way. Precog
1:14:22
has Oilers game two. Goal
1:14:24
and a half. Put Agatha
1:14:26
plus 150. Put a nice visor
1:14:28
her. I love taking the idea of
1:14:30
like this person is telepathic. Yeah.
1:14:33
Conor McDavid, two goals. All
1:14:37
right.
1:14:39
Do you a heart? How does take it? Yeah.
1:14:42
So this one is from the perspective of
1:14:44
Howard Marks. Let's say you're Howard, right?
1:14:46
Yeah. Aren't you like. Why don't
1:14:48
we just stop my wife from cheating? Why
1:14:50
don't we like why don't like if
1:14:52
we if you can see the whole crime
1:14:54
Wouldn't it be better if Anderton came
1:14:56
by and was just like don't cheat on
1:14:58
Howard. He's gonna flip out if you
1:15:00
do that Yeah, or just like why is
1:15:03
the pre -cog only paying attention to the
1:15:05
end result like murder and not the
1:15:07
pre triggering event Right because if you're Howard,
1:15:09
you're like I never would have considered
1:15:11
killing my wife unless she cheated on me
1:15:13
So if you could just go back
1:15:15
in time, couldn't somebody be like, hey, we
1:15:17
got to yank this guy who's like
1:15:19
gonna, gonna cheat on. So the pre -collect
1:15:21
really kind of fucks overpowered a little bit.
1:15:23
Well, I mean, I understand that the
1:15:25
ultimate crime is murder, right? Like the people
1:15:27
are going to cheat on each other.
1:15:29
People are going to have feelings for one
1:15:31
another. But it is kind of like,
1:15:33
for that kind of crime of passion, it
1:15:35
seems like If she hasn't cheated, he's
1:15:37
like, oh, I thought maybe we could go
1:15:39
to lunch together today. So you don't
1:15:41
stop Rich Paul from saying that Chris Bosch
1:15:43
wasn't really a big three. You go
1:15:45
back further. Yes. And stop LeBron James
1:15:47
from hiring. That's
1:15:50
your move. Then we
1:15:52
don't have the Chris Bosch anyway. But
1:15:54
yeah, okay, I got you. Casting
1:15:56
What Ifs. This was
1:15:58
optioned in 1992 as a sequel
1:16:00
to Total Recall with Schwarzenegger. And
1:16:03
Carole Co Productions, which we've talked,
1:16:05
Carole Pictures, which we've talked about on
1:16:07
a couple of Kyle Brandt rewatchables. Fought
1:16:10
for bankruptcy. And
1:16:12
there's a documentary about this whole thing.
1:16:14
So it got worked into a different
1:16:16
thing. Jan Dubont came in 97.
1:16:20
And then, and that didn't
1:16:22
work out. And then the biggest casting motive
1:16:24
for this was Spielberg comes on, offers
1:16:27
the role, the Colin Farrell
1:16:29
role to Matt Damon. offers
1:16:31
Dr. Iris Tabarno Street, offers
1:16:35
Lamar Burgess, 320 pound
1:16:37
nose tackle, to
1:16:39
Ian McKellen, offers Agatha
1:16:41
to Cape Blanchette, and
1:16:43
offers Lara to Jenna Elfman, and
1:16:47
Streep to Klein, Stamins to an
1:16:49
Ocean's 11, everybody else
1:16:51
through. McKellen's in the two towers, yeah. Javier
1:16:54
Bardem, then offered the
1:16:56
Witwer roll, the column fire roll, he can't do it
1:16:58
either. Do you see why he turned it down? No.
1:17:00
He said he didn't feel like chasing Tom Cruise around
1:17:02
for an entire movie. That's funny. Wow.
1:17:04
Yeah. And now he's going to
1:17:06
be chasing Brad Pitt around in F1.
1:17:08
Yeah. Saw that trailer yesterday.
1:17:10
Yeah. I'm in. You're way up on
1:17:12
it. I'm in. It stays of thunder with
1:17:14
F1 cars I'm in. I
1:17:16
can't tell what it's really about. I'm
1:17:19
still going to go. It's about an older
1:17:21
racer and a younger racer. It just, it
1:17:23
looks cool. They've never tried that. It looks
1:17:25
cool, but I still haven't seen the thing
1:17:27
that makes me go, oh, Jesus Christ, I
1:17:29
got to see F1. That's that guy I
1:17:31
word. Obviously, it's going to be Dino Velvet
1:17:33
from 8mm unless you think Peter Stormor is
1:17:35
his own guy. he's Peter Stormor. I think
1:17:37
he's knowledge of his own guys in the
1:17:39
Deon category. I had Patrick kill Patrick, who
1:17:41
is the guy standing next to Sean McDonough
1:17:43
or Steve Harris, but I don't know if
1:17:45
Steve Harris. Maybe in movies.
1:17:47
Yeah. movies he might be. Yeah. I had
1:17:49
Steve Harris. You know what I have? Aery
1:17:51
Gross is Aery Gross. But I think he's
1:17:53
Aery Gross to me. He's to me. Perfect
1:17:55
Strangers. Perfect Strangers star of one of my
1:17:57
favorite movies. The experts. Oh
1:18:00
John Travolta Kelly Preston fake
1:18:02
John Travolta Kelly Preston Like I'm
1:18:05
telling you guys go watch
1:18:07
the experts the fake town in
1:18:09
Russia that doesn't I don't
1:18:11
mind in Russia. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
1:18:13
I vote for Steve care
1:18:15
Harris. He's the black eye works
1:18:17
for Cruz for John Wood
1:18:19
Harris his brother Really? Yeah Why
1:18:21
wasn't he in the wire?
1:18:23
That's what? He couldn't have
1:18:26
been like I don't know that
1:18:28
there's a he couldn't have been
1:18:30
like like Don Barksdale like his
1:18:32
brother that comes in Don Barksdale,
1:18:34
that's William's brother. Yeah, yeah waiters.
1:18:36
We have We have our guy
1:18:38
Peter storm. Yes. Yes. We do
1:18:40
easel zappa. Yeah, Tim Blake Nelson
1:18:42
Dr. Iris I would say Lois
1:18:44
McDonough Dr. Iris and and also
1:18:46
Tim Blake Nelson as Gideon the
1:18:48
century. Yeah, I would go dweezel Oh,
1:18:51
I'm doing a lot in four minutes. I'm going
1:18:53
stormer. Yeah, it's easy one right there. Yeah. Oh,
1:18:55
yeah. Stormer. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Recast in
1:18:57
couch director city. What do you got? I
1:19:00
think I think DC is a cool
1:19:02
place to put this. I think it's like
1:19:04
Boston. It's consistent. Yeah, we're Southie. Minority
1:19:07
report in Southeast. I'm so
1:19:09
cool. I wanted this. I'm not gonna let
1:19:11
you slide. Don't do that. I'm not gonna bring
1:19:13
it up. I like it in DC. It
1:19:15
feels like all the presidents, man. In New Orleans?
1:19:17
If the movie's called Minority Report and it's
1:19:19
in Boston, it would be a different movie. New
1:19:21
Orleans? New Orleans would be good. Philly,
1:19:24
you could do it in Philly. Run by
1:19:26
Liberty Bell, you know. Is
1:19:28
this a Miami movie? Oh.
1:19:31
Think you need a dense it's it's
1:19:33
to mine is too happy like
1:19:35
the idea of like an old city
1:19:37
that has been redone in the
1:19:40
futuristic I think the idea other place.
1:19:42
I was thinking was London Chicago,
1:19:44
but London's the obvious place to do
1:19:46
it. That's not in America. Yeah
1:19:48
um recasting for me Can we test
1:19:50
drive jade a pink it as
1:19:52
Agatha? Can you
1:19:54
give that a whirl keep one chat is
1:19:56
like so incredible shower with me and Chet's
1:19:58
like I don't know she's Like one
1:20:00
of the best actresses the last 25 years.
1:20:02
in 02, she was like still making it
1:20:05
up. Coming up. So after
1:20:07
what happened with. You
1:20:09
know, it's also really good. I get
1:20:11
I get it. I'm just like Jada Pinko
1:20:13
because she I like when she has
1:20:16
a shaved head anyway. So I don't say
1:20:18
you're going to get Chris fucked over
1:20:20
30 years before different Oscars. Yeah, we're rewriting
1:20:22
history makes the joke. It's like, yeah. Portman's
1:20:26
probably too young at that point. She's
1:20:29
in her 20s. I mean, she's she's as
1:20:31
she's in Star Wars at that point where
1:20:33
she's like she's she's like a late 20s.
1:20:35
Can I uneasily test drive a casting suggestion
1:20:38
for this to change the flavor of the
1:20:40
movie a tiny bit? What about Halle Berry?
1:20:44
Huh. In the pre -cog. I think
1:20:46
she's too. She's probably too on at this
1:20:48
point. I would I would
1:20:50
go for Halle Berry as Lara as
1:20:52
the as the ex -wife. That'd be cool. Future
1:20:56
have faster research camera Diaz camera
1:20:58
crow and Paul Thomas Anderson are on
1:21:00
the subway uncredited In the Philip
1:21:02
Dick novel John Anerton is a
1:21:04
balding out of shape old man. Yeah
1:21:06
He also at the end of
1:21:09
I think it will believe at the
1:21:11
end of the novel him and
1:21:13
Larry get like basically kicked off
1:21:15
of earth. Yeah kicked off of earth.
1:21:17
It's not a happy ending What
1:21:20
did what did where did he
1:21:22
go? It's like you're basically being
1:21:24
transported to like another planet like
1:21:26
as a punishment and Whit were
1:21:28
Is like takes over essentially in
1:21:30
the book the pre cogs are
1:21:33
intellectually disabled and deformed individuals they
1:21:35
decided that doesn't sound fun Spielberg
1:21:37
said he wanted to give the
1:21:39
movie a noir feel and threw
1:21:41
himself a film festival that included
1:21:43
asphalt jungle Key Largo Maltese Falcon
1:21:46
and they decided to deliberately over
1:21:48
light the film and
1:21:50
then Bleach bypassed the negative
1:21:52
with our guy, Yanush. The
1:21:55
car factory scene is
1:21:57
based on a never -shot
1:21:59
sequence in North by Northwest
1:22:01
that Hitchcock told Francois
1:22:03
Truffaut about. So like he
1:22:05
took like the inspiration for that. I mean,
1:22:07
he's just in, he's just fucking, he
1:22:09
is hearing Jimmy in this movie. See,
1:22:11
you know my Yanush connection? I do not.
1:22:14
So my daughter is in like, oh,
1:22:17
Chris knows this, elementary school. And
1:22:19
he's one of the other dads in
1:22:21
my daughter's class. In one
1:22:23
year, it was like second or third grade, he
1:22:25
took all the pictures at like the end
1:22:27
of the year thing. And it was Janusz Kaminski,
1:22:30
multiple Oscar winner cinematography.
1:22:33
So, you know, normally you have these
1:22:35
things and it's just like a bunch of like
1:22:37
people taking iPhones and it's a photo album.
1:22:39
And this is like fucking the greatest photo album.
1:22:42
Just pictures of like seven
1:22:44
year old little girls. blowing
1:22:47
bubbles in the air. Yeah, it's like, just
1:22:49
fucking amazing. Anyway, uh, similar as
1:22:51
to the fugitive. Hmm.
1:22:55
Richard Kimball, John Anerton, frame
1:22:57
for crimes. They
1:22:59
didn't commit. Both
1:23:02
recognized on the subway
1:23:04
by another passenger. Both
1:23:06
consulted a colleague to unravel
1:23:08
a clue. Both
1:23:10
pursued by a police officer and navigate
1:23:12
through a crowded public place to
1:23:15
try to. Lose them Kimble
1:23:17
dies his hair Anerton as his
1:23:19
eyes replaced Discovered they were set
1:23:21
up by a colleague that they
1:23:23
had been talking about the whole
1:23:25
time and trusted and then blow
1:23:27
them up during a ceremony Celebrating
1:23:29
that colleague. Hmm. You got neuron
1:23:32
in you got provasic. What are
1:23:34
they taking in the fugitive? What's
1:23:36
the what's the drug that they're
1:23:38
basic? Yeah You'll have to
1:23:40
excuse my friend. Dr.
1:23:43
Richard Kimball, he's been
1:23:45
sick. Is there a scene
1:23:47
in this one that's
1:23:49
parallel or something like
1:23:51
the jumping off of the
1:23:54
the jumping into the
1:23:56
dam scene? Probably
1:23:59
the fight jetpack the jetpack
1:24:01
jumping where he just goes. Yeah,
1:24:03
that's another similarity Whatever you
1:24:05
do, you're not gonna catch me.
1:24:07
I'm willing to jump off
1:24:09
of the thing or do whatever.
1:24:11
Yeah This is a borderline
1:24:13
Sean fantasy criteria orgasm criteria an
1:24:15
orgasm word whatever we call
1:24:17
that one but criteria orgasm criteria
1:24:19
orgasm Cruz confronts Max at
1:24:21
the end. He's wearing a dark
1:24:23
hood And it
1:24:25
mirrors the opening of a 1957
1:24:27
movie called The Seventh Seal.
1:24:29
Yes. Oh, yeah. So
1:24:31
there you go. Apex
1:24:34
Mountain. I got one for you. What
1:24:37
do you got? You've ever heard of
1:24:39
the made -up genre called Nokia Wave or
1:24:41
Nokia Wave, depending on how you pronounce the
1:24:43
Swedish phone company? You know about this? I
1:24:46
don't. So it's basically an idea
1:24:49
slash subgenre that was coined by
1:24:51
a critic named David Rudnick. Loosely
1:24:54
spans from GoldenEye Through the Bourne
1:24:56
movies so like 95 to like
1:24:58
early 2000s and it's all about
1:25:00
like it's like enemy of the
1:25:02
state It's like matrix. It's stuff
1:25:04
where it's like the technology is
1:25:06
futuristic, but it's still tactile So
1:25:09
you were talking about like the
1:25:11
little floppy disks, but yeah, basically
1:25:13
clear discs people are still wearing
1:25:15
ear buds, you know Yeah, the
1:25:17
phones are like almost there, but
1:25:19
they're not super in the future
1:25:21
and everything is about paranoia and
1:25:23
an estate surveilling you. And
1:25:25
basically this is like, it's
1:25:27
this Ronin spy game, Mission
1:25:30
Impossible, a bunch of these, but
1:25:32
minority importance, Apex Mountain for no key a
1:25:34
wave. Do you think they would make me watch
1:25:36
my twosies? No,
1:25:38
that was great. That's
1:25:42
a great point. We did it on purpose that time. That
1:25:44
was great. No, you're
1:25:46
right. This was a four
1:25:48
-year run of growth. Inferior
1:25:51
technology being presented as
1:25:53
awesome technology. Yes, where it's
1:25:55
like we can't get
1:25:57
find Jason Bourne because like
1:25:59
the internet is busy
1:26:01
like the modem is not
1:26:03
working almost like Contemporary
1:26:05
steampunk. Yeah, like to where
1:26:07
it's you know, I
1:26:09
mean really good. Yeah Cruz.
1:26:11
No Spielberg. No Cruz
1:26:13
Spielberg collapse Yeah,
1:26:15
because this is it. Yeah, the
1:26:17
world world world. No, this is better
1:26:19
than I love world the world.
1:26:21
So I think it's a real I
1:26:23
think workers throwing them throwing as
1:26:25
easy Yankees fan in that movie throwing
1:26:27
the baseball at his son's face. Um,
1:26:30
he just has to come and come
1:26:32
out and say I had a torn
1:26:34
rotator cuff, but I got it through
1:26:36
it. Um, because I threw the baseball
1:26:38
for seven straight months before filming because
1:26:40
I want to get it right Spielbergian
1:26:42
shattered my Spillbergian techno noir like between
1:26:44
this and AI. Oh
1:26:46
That's good. Yeah, I like this
1:26:48
movie so much more than AI
1:26:51
and I really didn't feel like
1:26:53
AI worked Not lot of AI
1:26:55
conversations lately. Although I guess the
1:26:57
title is important movie though. Yeah,
1:26:59
I get it How about evil
1:27:01
max characters because this wasn't the
1:27:03
most evil? Sierra knows what the
1:27:05
most evil strange brew. No He
1:27:07
was he was the the good
1:27:09
Nazi in victory. Oh, right. Yeah
1:27:11
The Nazis were all evil and
1:27:13
victory But Paley's bicycle cake was
1:27:15
so good. He stood up and
1:27:17
applauded it. Yeah, but you know
1:27:20
what you're still fucking Nazi. Yeah,
1:27:22
sorry to sorry buddy Samantha Morton
1:27:24
apex mountain. It's her time more
1:27:26
of a coward. Yeah, I actually
1:27:28
think Dorchester's
1:27:30
Neil McDonough. No way. No,
1:27:33
hell no. No, his apex mountains
1:27:35
of 25 year apex mountain.
1:27:37
He got deep back He got
1:27:39
deep back you got deep
1:27:41
bag of recognizable characters. Yeah when
1:27:43
they First year Yellowstone, I'm
1:27:46
like Niels could be in this
1:27:48
and in second year. He
1:27:50
is he's in there. Yeah Precogs
1:27:52
definitely Washington DC movies. No
1:27:54
Precaro pre -crime departments. I don't
1:27:56
remember seeing this in another movie
1:28:01
Predictive crime. Yeah. Yeah, I think
1:28:03
so Phil Dick movies. We
1:28:05
just said we just said no.
1:28:07
Yeah, all right Cruiser Hank
1:28:09
Scorsese or Spielberg. This is the
1:28:11
first time this has ever
1:28:13
happened. It's a double. Wow. Yeah
1:28:15
What role would Philip Seymour
1:28:17
Hoffman have played? No,
1:28:19
I Have him in the Colin feral role.
1:28:22
It's an interesting idea of him playing
1:28:24
Whitworth because it's a little bit more of
1:28:26
a little less hot a little less
1:28:28
like The fight scene suffers probably. The fight
1:28:30
scene suffers maybe the running and all
1:28:32
of that kind of he wasn't known for
1:28:34
but like he also was kind of
1:28:36
Sneaky athletic and people don't talk about it.
1:28:38
Like he was a good ball player
1:28:40
and all of that stuff Yeah, he never
1:28:42
really gotten to that bag on screen.
1:28:44
I guess that much Yeah, he could have
1:28:46
been the eye doctor Oh,
1:28:48
sure. Yeah, he could have been an eye doctor.
1:28:50
He could have been Gideon. He could have been... But
1:28:52
I think he's the Duizel Zappa if we're doing
1:28:54
this together. He just comes in hot for five minutes.
1:28:56
But in 2002? Yeah, he's just like doing a
1:28:58
favor for Cruz, their buddies. Craig's
1:29:01
choice, flex category. What do you got, Craig? Well,
1:29:04
I kind of want to do a hottest take,
1:29:06
which is just that Lamar was super right
1:29:08
and that we should get the precogs back in
1:29:10
the milk and that even if it's like a
1:29:12
98 % hit rate, what are we doing here? See?
1:29:17
This is the problem with his generation.
1:29:19
See I'm telling you this is like
1:29:21
I want to take Waymo a world
1:29:23
without murder even if innocent people are
1:29:25
going to jail. Spoiler alert. Innocent people
1:29:27
go to jail all the time. He
1:29:30
means it. This is the
1:29:33
problem. This is intellectual.
1:29:35
What's our hit right now? Like 60 %? I
1:29:37
can tell you I can get 98%. Guys
1:29:39
are clear. I'm just running the numbers here.
1:29:41
This still looks like a pretty good move
1:29:43
to me. Okay. This would
1:29:46
be an unbelievable first take segment. Think about
1:29:48
what you think about, Craig. We have to
1:29:50
get the precogs back in the water in
1:29:52
the milk. An
1:29:54
ethically utilitarian generation. I'm
1:29:57
telling you. Craig,
1:29:59
I really enjoyed the take. Picking Nits. Swapping
1:30:05
eyeballs. Let's really talk about this.
1:30:07
I know the technology is going
1:30:09
to be better in 2054 than
1:30:11
it is now. I
1:30:13
don't know what century we're just going to be
1:30:15
able to swap eyeballs. We're the guys out
1:30:17
there in an action scene three weeks later. Come
1:30:19
on. Yeah. Like, come on. I
1:30:21
mean, yeah. Me too. Like, kidneys,
1:30:23
I get it. But
1:30:26
that one is a... That one's
1:30:28
a little crazy. Cruise
1:30:31
just stumbles into the exact
1:30:33
drowning of Ann Lively in
1:30:35
about 20 seconds. From
1:30:37
the pre -cog thing. I think it's
1:30:39
the idea that the three cogs
1:30:41
are echoing that like they're trying to
1:30:43
send a signal She keeps saying
1:30:45
I know she says she says to
1:30:47
him you can see she wants
1:30:49
him to see and then Lamar accidentally
1:30:51
saying the girl drowned I'll add
1:30:53
on to the Lamar pile on I
1:30:55
don't really feel like Lamar shooting
1:30:57
himself in the heart is like Commensurate
1:30:59
to the rest of the films
1:31:01
like imagination. So when like it's just
1:31:03
the two of them together and
1:31:05
he's like Yeah, like
1:31:07
come on you guys had to jetpack
1:31:09
fight an hour ago. I have
1:31:11
to yeah Who's in charge of updating
1:31:14
the retina files? What do
1:31:16
you mean? So Tom
1:31:18
Cruise is character
1:31:20
John Enderton is now
1:31:22
a fugitive and
1:31:24
on the run and
1:31:26
an outlaw but
1:31:28
his retinal Still
1:31:30
gets you into the police station. Oh, who's
1:31:32
like why didn't they turn off his security?
1:31:34
Like you leave a place like you fire
1:31:36
you get fired from a place They discontinue
1:31:38
your badge like right away. Yeah, yeah, but
1:31:40
all the way to the end of the
1:31:43
move He can still get into the his
1:31:45
wife's department is able to get in using
1:31:47
his retinal file like he's Who's up who's
1:31:49
in charge? That's the fucking one of the
1:31:51
best picking it's I've heard a long time
1:31:53
who's in charge of updating the retina files.
1:31:55
It should not still be giving you access.
1:31:57
Yeah. Cut your car off right away. You
1:31:59
can't get back in. This is two thousand
1:32:01
two thousand twenty five. We would know this
1:32:04
two thousand two. They didn't think of it.
1:32:06
I'm just saying like they get you out
1:32:08
of it. And then the other one is
1:32:10
retina files. The other one is this. So
1:32:12
in the crime with the
1:32:14
the precog. The Anne Wiley
1:32:16
the crime. Right. They
1:32:19
come and get her murderer. And
1:32:21
then they just leave her there. for
1:32:23
her to be killed. So they don't
1:32:25
need her to come to the station and
1:32:27
give a statement. Okay. Right.
1:32:30
I think the idea is that it's all
1:32:32
staged, right? But I know what you
1:32:34
mean where the cops are like, you're good. See
1:32:36
you later. Yeah. The cops come get the guy
1:32:38
and then that allows Burgess to then kill her
1:32:40
while the cops are going. There's not a cop
1:32:42
that goes, hey, I know this was traumatic for
1:32:45
you. They literally just leave her standing by the
1:32:47
lake for him to come kill her. Well, in
1:32:49
Craig's America, that's just how the cops are. Keep
1:32:52
the pre -coxing milk. I'm
1:32:55
Craig Holbeck, and that's my
1:32:57
2054 stance. Wait,
1:33:00
I have a picking knit. Yeah. You'll
1:33:03
have to talk me through this, because
1:33:05
maybe I'm not thinking about this right.
1:33:07
But the whole John Anderton murder, the
1:33:09
whole plot seems like a catch -22
1:33:11
to me, because Anderton would not have
1:33:13
known about the Leo Crow thing unless
1:33:15
Agatha told him or, you know, saw
1:33:18
it. But Agatha would have never seen
1:33:20
it. unless he
1:33:22
was already destined to do it, which he couldn't
1:33:24
have been because she's the reason why he was destined
1:33:26
to do it. Craig, welcome to the world of
1:33:28
dick, man. This is what it's all about. It's
1:33:30
a chicken or the egg. But that's the paradox. Would you
1:33:32
just say? It's the whole idea, welcome to the world of
1:33:34
dick. You know, it's like all
1:33:36
of this. It's like basically the whole
1:33:38
idea. dick, Craig. Yeah. I just
1:33:40
got dicked. When he's
1:33:43
like... Colin Farrell's
1:33:45
character is just like, if we, it's
1:33:47
like, here's the paradox is like, if you
1:33:49
know the ball is going to drop, you catch
1:33:51
it, whatever that whole idea. The opening example
1:33:53
in the film makes sense. It's like this guy's
1:33:56
theoretically going to kill his wife, but he
1:33:58
still has a choice. But the Anderton thing doesn't
1:34:00
make sense because he literally would have never
1:34:02
known about it had Agatha not told him. But
1:34:04
that's the whole thing is she's trying to
1:34:06
knock down the dominoes that will eventually lead to
1:34:08
like her mother's murder being solved. It's
1:34:11
like Craig, it's like if Sacramento
1:34:13
just takes Luca Donchich number
1:34:15
two. Then we don't
1:34:18
Then Nico Harrison is just having a great
1:34:20
year. Nico Harrison is just the boys
1:34:22
with everybody and the Lakers are dying. I
1:34:25
would say, Craig, this was a
1:34:27
source story written under a tremendous
1:34:29
influence of drugs. Sure. Yeah. Sequel,
1:34:31
prequel, Prestige TV all black cast
1:34:34
are untouchable. Prestige TV
1:34:36
probably should have worked with us. It feels like
1:34:38
a show Apple would have made. Like...
1:34:40
think would just be more heady
1:34:42
and less like fun and chase oriented.
1:34:44
Probably less toys because they wouldn't
1:34:47
have the budget. Although if they gave
1:34:49
prestige, the prestige like
1:34:51
morning show treatment money to this Apple,
1:34:53
20 million in episode. Yeah, it
1:34:55
would just be like an advertisement for
1:34:57
everything Apple is going to do
1:34:59
in 10 years. Right. He's walking through
1:35:01
the mall and it's just like
1:35:03
iPad. Yeah. I guess the question
1:35:05
is like, when you do the
1:35:07
prestige on this, do you do it
1:35:09
one season limited that kind of stretches out
1:35:11
Anderton's story, or do you
1:35:14
leave pre -crime around and do something based
1:35:16
on that for like multiple seasons? Or
1:35:18
would you do a prequel and it's like
1:35:20
the first guy who gets caught by
1:35:22
pre -cogs? Because that guy probably was pretty
1:35:24
salty. Or you do all the minority reports.
1:35:26
What about law and order pre -crime? Oh,
1:35:28
shit. Just like the cheap version of
1:35:30
this. Yeah. Just every episode. Not
1:35:33
a lot of detective work. It's like, oh, yeah, see, we
1:35:35
gotta just go get this guy. It's basically just moving your
1:35:37
hands around. Is this movie
1:35:39
better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trey, Adoris
1:35:41
Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell Byron, Mayo Barney,
1:35:43
Cousins, Tony Ruma, Harling Mays, Chris Collinsworth,
1:35:45
Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley
1:35:47
in the firm. In honor of the
1:35:50
NBA playoffs, if D .B. was
1:35:52
checking out a little minority report, we see you,
1:35:54
Miss Agatha. You've been swimming
1:35:56
in the photon milk for all
1:35:58
this time, not just grinding tape.
1:36:00
But making the tape for the
1:36:02
pre -game to act on. But
1:36:04
now you're out here in your
1:36:06
gap finest, straight off the rack, living
1:36:09
your best life. Don't let anyone
1:36:11
tell you that you need the twins
1:36:13
to see the future. TV
1:36:18
is really kind of taking on her own
1:36:20
character now. It's not even really like a Doris
1:36:22
Burke imitation anymore. I don't know. We'll see
1:36:24
her in the playoffs. I don't know if that's
1:36:27
far off. I had,
1:36:29
uh, I had Ryan Ruco
1:36:31
and also an honor in the NBA playoffs. Is
1:36:33
the Marper just gonna take his life?
1:36:39
Just one Oscar who gets it.
1:36:42
I could honestly go Kaminsky. I
1:36:44
think this movie looks so cool.
1:36:46
Janusz. Yeah. I think the way
1:36:48
it's, it's just the vibe of it
1:36:50
is so unique. It really stands out. Even
1:36:53
if you're flicking channels on cable and
1:36:55
they stumble across it. It just looks different.
1:36:57
I like the idea though that this
1:36:59
is like Hardly in the conversation of Spielberg
1:37:01
movie that missed out on an Oscar
1:37:03
or should it but what should have won
1:37:05
an Oscar? But people still study it.
1:37:07
Yeah, you know what I mean? It's a
1:37:10
real test. No question probably an answerable
1:37:12
questions Did Howard Marx's wife deserve to die?
1:37:16
I mean the fucking guy wasn't even in his
1:37:18
car yet and the next guy's coming over.
1:37:20
I don't know that guys Did Howard have some
1:37:22
good ideas in the house too from across
1:37:24
the street? She's like you can't even you can't
1:37:27
even wait for five minutes creep Creep a
1:37:29
fair guy. I don't know you need to go
1:37:31
listen to the TK Kirkland interview on higher
1:37:33
learning Let let me let me
1:37:35
tell you something. Um, I said it
1:37:37
was unanswerable I will say this it
1:37:39
knows but the answer is no, but
1:37:41
I will say that that scene is
1:37:43
really That scene is diabolical because He's
1:37:46
trying to convince her to have sex in
1:37:49
the bed. Yeah, and she's like not wanting
1:37:51
to do it But saving it but yeah,
1:37:53
but she's like I don't want to do
1:37:55
it in our bed in the bed that
1:37:57
we share Even though the guys already coming
1:37:59
in the house. He's like nah nah fuck
1:38:01
your husband fuck your husband And then he's
1:38:03
right there with the fucking scissors, but no
1:38:05
she didn't deserve to die now has any
1:38:07
actor Ever worn more
1:38:09
masks in a movie than Tom Cruise. Oh
1:38:12
my god. I forgot about the the
1:38:14
paralytic that he shoots into his face. need
1:38:16
to talk about that. Yeah, he loves
1:38:18
a mask Loves it. I mean how many
1:38:20
every mission impossible movie vanilla sky vanilla
1:38:22
sky this movie It's got to be like
1:38:24
two more. He wearing a mask and
1:38:26
Tropic Thunder is just a lot of makeup.
1:38:29
Yeah. Oh, that's a good question. I
1:38:31
think for live Maybe, maybe
1:38:33
prosthetics, maybe not a full mask, yeah. I love
1:38:35
that he injects himself with that and then
1:38:37
like 20 seconds later the pre -cut guy's like,
1:38:39
hey John! It's
1:38:41
also such like a point. Like why did I do
1:38:43
that? Where they're like, here's what you're gonna do, you're gonna
1:38:45
shoot yourself this and it's like, this is not like
1:38:47
actually that important. No. I
1:38:49
have two really good ones, so unless anyone has
1:38:51
any other ones. I don't. Alright,
1:38:54
first one. What's
1:38:56
the fan -dual line on the
1:38:58
crane fight with Farron Cruz, right? When...
1:39:01
when Farrell does his Irish thing and
1:39:03
it's like it's go time if that's real
1:39:05
life on the crane who wins Well,
1:39:07
I think it's like I'm going with the
1:39:09
Irish guy. It's kind of like him
1:39:11
up. I'm in Thompson's first playoff series We
1:39:13
don't really know we won't really see
1:39:15
we haven't seen Whitmore and I think he's
1:39:17
like minus three ten over cruise He's
1:39:19
got size on him. He's younger and when
1:39:21
he kisses the necklace. That's like that
1:39:23
tells you Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like he's
1:39:25
had some scraps and by the way
1:39:27
He starts off fucking them up. So three
1:39:29
to one three one 3
1:39:33
-1 is a lot. So
1:39:35
you think there'll be some cruise action
1:39:37
in minus 240 or plus 240? Yeah.
1:39:41
Next one. Has Van ever typed in pre
1:39:43
-cog in a porn search? Cog.
1:39:49
No, I haven't. Okay, good. What
1:39:52
piece of memorabilia would you want or
1:39:54
not want from this movie? I would want
1:39:56
the pre -crime screen, but only so that
1:39:59
I could watch second spectrum and grind
1:40:01
tape. Look
1:40:03
at this split action. Trayvon's
1:40:06
going to get set here. I
1:40:09
have the rarely seen not want for
1:40:11
this. OK. The eyeballs. Oh,
1:40:13
yeah. Imagine having those. Like, what are those? I
1:40:15
have the eyeballs for part. need to get
1:40:17
into Spotify. The
1:40:20
halo. I want the
1:40:22
halo. Oh, yeah. The halos
1:40:24
are cool. Coach
1:40:26
Finstackle where best life lesson
1:40:28
I'm gonna go with careful chief
1:40:30
you dig up the past
1:40:32
all you get is dirty Some
1:40:34
sort of life okay, I
1:40:36
like I like everybody runs. Yeah,
1:40:38
everybody runs. That's good. Best
1:40:40
double feature choice I Had it's
1:40:42
a tomorrow That's good. I
1:40:45
had north by Northwest. Mmm. Oh,
1:40:47
I was gonna say war
1:40:49
on the world war the world.
1:40:51
Yeah, just to get the
1:40:53
combo. Yeah Who won the movie?
1:40:56
Steve? I'm going to go Steve. I'm going
1:40:58
go Steve, too. Steve,
1:41:00
go Tom. Unanimous. Yeah,
1:41:03
I'm Greg's pre -cog milk take. Yeah. Craig,
1:41:07
what do you got? So
1:41:09
I feel like I've effectively masked my
1:41:11
thoughts throughout this recording. have. You're
1:41:14
probably not going to be thrilled. You didn't it. I have
1:41:17
seen this movie before. I saw it 10 years ago. This
1:41:19
is only the second time I've seen it. I
1:41:21
don't deny that this is exactly
1:41:23
what Spielberg wanted. It just doesn't click
1:41:26
for me. It doesn't work. Not
1:41:28
a sci -fi guy or not? No, I like
1:41:30
sci -fi. a pre -crime guy. Can I
1:41:32
ask you something? Because we didn't talk about this. Is
1:41:34
it a half hour too long? Yeah,
1:41:36
for sure. Because I know that
1:41:39
you're really sensitive about runtimes anyway, and
1:41:41
this one definitely has like five extras. It
1:41:43
drags in that It's a little ahead
1:41:45
of its time and how long it is,
1:41:47
to be honest. I feel like these
1:41:49
movies. A two and a half hour blockbuster
1:41:51
was uncommon back then. Yeah, I just
1:41:53
knew centers. I love centers, but I knew
1:41:55
like I had to pee halfway at
1:41:57
the hour mark because I was like, I
1:42:00
know this is going to go an
1:42:02
hour a half longer. I think this is
1:42:04
just like my own personal subjective opinion.
1:42:06
I just don't like the look of the
1:42:08
early OTS late 90s movies that like
1:42:10
cold blue bleached out. I just like find
1:42:12
that to be visually unpleasant. And I
1:42:14
think it's in a weird middle ground. I
1:42:16
think it's in a gray area where
1:42:19
80s and 90s movies to me actually aged
1:42:21
better than early aughts movies because the
1:42:23
early aughts movies are like in that awkward
1:42:25
period between bad CGI and good CGI
1:42:27
and they're like really trying I could not
1:42:29
agree more they have they like like
1:42:31
are just discovering it so they're trying really
1:42:33
hard and I actually think it just
1:42:35
looks worse than like total recall in some
1:42:37
ways bad bad like bad CGI like
1:42:40
bad CGI effects puts you in a position
1:42:42
where you understand exactly what their imagining,
1:42:44
middling CGI and effects makes it look like
1:42:46
they couldn't do what they wanted to
1:42:48
do. I think this movie is either 10
1:42:50
years too early or 10 years too
1:42:52
late. Yeah. You know what's funny though? So
1:42:54
I totally agree with Craig, but I
1:42:56
also judge this because I know what they
1:42:59
had and didn't have back then, almost
1:43:01
the same way you would watch. NBA clips
1:43:03
from the 70s and be like, oh,
1:43:05
yeah, they didn't know to shoot threes back
1:43:07
then, but see that's what he's saying
1:43:09
Yeah, in my opinion, um, I'm not to
1:43:11
speak for him because he just said
1:43:13
it but like if you watch if you
1:43:15
watch total recall and You know the
1:43:17
things happening and he's in the stomach and
1:43:20
all that can't be right You get
1:43:22
that but then when you watch a movie
1:43:24
from like 2002 or 2003 there are
1:43:26
parts of the movie that look amazing and
1:43:28
then parts that look bad, and that
1:43:30
to me takes you more out of it
1:43:32
than something that looks bad pretty much
1:43:34
throughout the entire way. I was watching, I
1:43:36
don't know if you guys know this
1:43:39
movie, The Thing? Last night? John
1:43:41
Carpenter? Literally last night. You might have heard
1:43:43
of it. Did you get it on 4K? No,
1:43:46
it was just on cable. I do have it
1:43:48
on 4K though. See, to me, that's a good
1:43:50
example of a movie that visually works, despite how
1:43:52
dated it was. But that's the thing, it's 1982.
1:43:55
All of it feels completely genuine. Even the
1:43:57
alien, whatever the fuck, coming out of the
1:44:00
guy's stomach. And in 2002,
1:44:02
they probably tried to throw some technology at
1:44:04
that that would make it seem less
1:44:06
fake than it did in 1982. Yes. It's
1:44:08
just tough timing. I almost wish this
1:44:10
was a total recall sequel in, like, 1991,
1:44:12
because it would have looked way different. But
1:44:15
there are parts of the movie that
1:44:17
look fantastic. Like, all of the stuff moving
1:44:19
around, the pre -cog stuff, all
1:44:21
of that stuff totally works. And then you'll
1:44:23
get to something and you'll go, Hadn't
1:44:26
quite mastered because they're probably producing
1:44:28
this 2000 2001. Yeah, something like that.
1:44:30
They hadn't quite shot pretty fast
1:44:32
But yeah, like it's it's it's I
1:44:34
think it's after and they certainly
1:44:36
were doing it after 9 -11 But
1:44:38
I think it was a quick shoot.
1:44:40
Yeah, I just don't love the
1:44:42
early internet era like the early digital
1:44:44
era on film I feel like
1:44:46
it's kind of tough doesn't age well
1:44:48
Craig. Have you seen the thing?
1:44:50
Yeah, Jack. Have you seen it? I
1:44:52
have huge inspiration for centers It's
1:44:54
really good The finger you
1:44:56
showed a little you showed a little
1:44:58
leg are we gonna do it the
1:45:00
thing is just really good It's just
1:45:02
one the best movies the testing the
1:45:04
blood is just one of the most
1:45:06
riveting scenes But sinners has a lot
1:45:08
of thing energy in there Carl the
1:45:10
garlic Do you think I was an
1:45:12
inspiration for sinners probably I mean he
1:45:14
would know like this It's
1:45:16
a whole thing. Jack, you can get to it.
1:45:18
I haven't heard anybody say it, but maybe
1:45:20
I guess Jack has. No, Ryan Coogler has spoken
1:45:22
about the thing was one of the biggest
1:45:25
inspirations for the film. I saw a video recently
1:45:27
of Kurt Russell and Keith David like meeting
1:45:29
up again for the first time in like 20
1:45:31
-something years. And I was like, this is like,
1:45:33
I'm about to start crying. Like, this is
1:45:35
really important. It was at Carpenters. And
1:45:38
you're like, oh my god, brother, what's up?
1:45:40
It's like, holy shit. Still not my favorite
1:45:42
Carpenters, though. Wow. Yeah,
1:45:44
me at Halloween for God's
1:45:46
sakes. Nah big trouble
1:45:48
on China That is a
1:45:50
very good movie. Love
1:45:52
that movie be going they
1:45:54
live they live They
1:45:56
live is they live is
1:45:58
still the it's a
1:46:00
haunting Riveting hyper masterpiece
1:46:02
love that movie. Love it. I
1:46:05
also like vampires, which is
1:46:07
a movie that nobody likes. I
1:46:09
like vampires. Yeah to Craig.
1:46:11
Thanks to Jack. Thanks
1:46:13
to Cousins. Thanks
1:46:16
to C .R. and Van. Great to see you
1:46:18
guys always. Don't forget, you can watch this on
1:46:20
the Ring of Moves YouTube channel or as a
1:46:22
video podcast on Spotify. Or deemed right into your
1:46:24
retina. Yeah. See you next time.
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