‘Minority Report’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

‘Minority Report’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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And the Midnight Boys? Pew Pew. Pew

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Pew fucking Pew. Pew fucking

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Pew, Bill. That's right. My

1:51

name is Bill Simmons. We are

1:53

going to do our 17th Tom Cruise

1:55

movie on the rewatchables. He's just, he's

1:57

like Barry Bonds in 2002. He's

2:00

just lapping the field. A

2:02

A little bit of that. A classic,

2:04

Minority Report is next. Chief

2:07

Detective John Anderton set up the perfect

2:09

crime force. People trust you, Trump, but

2:11

now. I have a warrant in my

2:13

pocket that says murder. Seems you've been

2:15

left out of the loop, John. He

2:17

has to run from it. He set

2:19

me up! On June 21st, you can't

2:22

hide. It's gonna be an entire area.

2:24

Read anything with eyes and a heartbeat.

2:26

So get ready to run. Tom Cruise,

2:28

Steven Spielberg, Minority... Report.

2:30

Rough landing. Have to work on that. This

2:32

film not get rated June 21st only

2:35

in theater. All

2:47

right,

2:50

Minority Report. Ciara has been floating

2:52

this and suggesting this for a

2:54

long, long time. He's wearing a

2:57

master's hat today to try to

2:59

really capture the magic Is this

3:01

Master of his domain yeah, that's

3:03

right if you had to pick

3:05

is this a Tom Cruise movie

3:07

or a Spielberg movie I think

3:10

it's a Spielberg movie, but I

3:12

don't think it works if it's

3:14

not Tom Cruise. Oh Yeah, but

3:16

the ingenuity of it the vision

3:18

of it the Creative flair I think

3:20

in some ways it's one of

3:22

Steven Spielberg's most swagged out movies

3:24

He is doing stuff in this

3:27

just to just to amuse himself just because

3:29

he can just it's like watching him play

3:31

play left -handed just like I'm gonna try

3:33

this I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do

3:35

all my coverage with camera movement. I'm gonna

3:37

go up a building I'm gonna jump off

3:39

the building We're gonna do all this stuff

3:41

about the future, but we're not even gonna

3:43

like explain how it works We're just gonna

3:45

run right through it. It's so fast. It's

3:47

so energetic It just feels Spielberg to me. What

3:49

do you think Van? It's definitely a

3:52

Spielberg movie and it's You

3:54

know, around the same time that Spielberg

3:56

was messing around with the darker

3:58

side of Spielberg stuff, you know, he's

4:00

doing this, he's doing AI, and then

4:02

even World of Worlds with Tom Cruise

4:04

again, is a little bit of a

4:06

darker Spielberg take. He's getting a little

4:08

bit more intense with it. And in

4:10

those movies, to Chris's point,

4:12

it's when he's really showing

4:14

off how technically brilliant he

4:16

is just to build

4:19

tension using the camera

4:21

and his mastery as a

4:23

director. Yeah, it's almost like

4:25

he's like Jordan just being

4:27

like you think I can't do

4:29

this What what what's your nitpick now,

4:31

and then he would just come up with

4:33

something to Yeah, he comes out of

4:35

98 I mean with the end of saving

4:37

private Ryan and he's got he's done

4:39

Schindler's list. He's done Amistad. He's he's done

4:41

these heavy movies heavier movies. Sure. He

4:44

does. I thought it's not that heavy No,

4:46

well, maybe not for you, Bill. You have

4:49

the comedy cut. I would

4:51

say I like to think

4:53

of Bill on a Saturday. Like

4:55

I want to feel good. All

4:58

right, the deleted scenes are good now.

5:00

a started Munich. I think are two of

5:02

the heavier movies. But that's where we

5:04

get in the Schindler's List and save your

5:06

private right. We've actually done a couple

5:08

of these now. We're I mean, we haven't

5:10

done AI, but like he does AI,

5:12

which is sort of this also extension of

5:14

Kubrick, right? Because Kubrick was originally gonna

5:16

do artificial intelligence, but he does minority port

5:18

and catch me if you can. We've

5:21

also done rewatchables. The terminal, but

5:23

War of the Worlds, he's just working.

5:25

It just seems like he's like, what I

5:27

wanna do is get into the gym

5:30

and try this and try that and try this. I

5:33

do feel like this is the tail

5:35

end of whatever crazy all -time

5:37

apex he had, right? Probably

5:40

tailing off around the mid -2000s

5:42

a little bit. He's getting older. I

5:45

think this is the most

5:47

creative movie he made during this whole

5:49

stretch, though. Even the way, like, the color

5:51

correction, like, the stuff my guy Janusz Kominski

5:53

did. And he told Janusz, I want this to

5:56

be the ugliest movie I've ever made. Yeah, it's,

5:58

like, bleached out. It's just, it just

6:00

really, like... There's a little tension

6:02

in there, though. Distinct. There's a little

6:04

tension in there when you watch

6:06

the film between traditional Spielberg visuals. and

6:09

how this movie is probably supposed

6:11

to look and supposed to feel

6:13

like there's a version of this

6:15

movie if it's directed by like

6:17

David Fincher or someone like that

6:19

with a little bit of a

6:21

darker palette and a more clear

6:23

aesthetic and like narrative kind of

6:25

thought about the milk that's a

6:27

lot darker. And that's a lot

6:29

more intense, but you can look

6:31

and see the Spielbergian notes throughout the

6:33

movie. There's like little wacky parts

6:36

that put it in some of the

6:38

chases where they're really intense. And

6:40

there's the part where he's the women

6:42

are the contortionists. There's little parts

6:44

where he pulls you out of being

6:46

a little bit too dour about

6:48

what's going on and reminds you that

6:50

you're watching the Steven Spielberg movie. One

6:52

of the things I was wondering is There's

6:54

that whole new generation of directors that come

6:57

in the mid -90s, right? That next class

6:59

that's a little reminiscent of what he

7:01

had in the 70s and PTA and Fincher.

7:03

All these dudes kind of coming up. And

7:06

this feels like the most Fincher -y type of

7:08

movie that he could have made. And I

7:10

really wonder if Fincher either inspired him or

7:12

made him competitive to be like, oh, everyone

7:15

thinks Fincher is a genius. Like, I'm

7:17

going to fucking out Fincher him. I wonder

7:19

also whether or not audiences had shown

7:21

an openness to A certain level

7:23

of grime like a little bit more dirt

7:25

a little bit more of a smudge on

7:27

the lens like it's like the room is

7:29

isn't tidy like if people are a little

7:31

bit more fucked up like It was definitely

7:33

in the air in that 90s into the

7:35

early 2000s turn. I think systematically internet. We're

7:37

starting to Be like, oh, shit. Yeah, this

7:39

is going to be part of our lives

7:41

for the rest of our lives now. Where

7:43

is this going? Well, and then the crucial

7:46

I'm sorry. No, no, go ahead. No, I

7:48

mean, I'm saying like a little bit more

7:50

of the dystopian stuff is starting to take

7:52

over sci -fi. Yeah, this is post 9

7:54

11 post 9 11 post

7:56

the matrix. So it's

7:58

it you're it. You're

8:02

I can't wait. Hey,

8:04

but that's that's very

8:06

that's a big part of this film and

8:08

I watch it. I'm like, hey, they got

8:10

that right. Yeah, this movie has some really

8:12

interesting futures. I wait to talk about where

8:14

they get a couple things right. But I'm saying

8:16

maybe Spielberg and you know, other people looking

8:19

at it is like the high concept sci -fi

8:21

that you're looking at now is a little

8:23

darker. Not that that didn't exist before, but

8:25

people were actually going to it and craving it

8:27

a little bit. Didn't know where things going.

8:29

I have seven genres happening all at the

8:31

same time in this movie. It's a Spielberg movie.

8:34

It's a cruise movie. And

8:36

I think CR is right. Cruise is

8:38

essential to this, which we'll get into.

8:40

It's a sci -fi futuristic thriller. It's

8:43

a cop movie. It's a

8:45

fugitive movie. It's like

8:47

a psychic. How

8:49

much do we know about the future? Do you

8:51

believe in this shit movie? And

8:54

it's a free will versus determination movie, which

8:56

is probably like the biggest theme in

8:58

the movie is how much How much can

9:00

you control of what happens? Yeah. Can

9:02

I add two more things to that? Let's

9:04

do it. I already have seven. I

9:06

think it's his, it's his Hitchcock homage. So,

9:08

so much vertigo north by northwest

9:10

stuff happening in this, especially north

9:13

by northwest, all the chases, all

9:15

the man, you know, man wrongly

9:17

accused on the run stuff is

9:19

right out of Hitchcock, some of

9:21

Hitchcock's best movies. And then it's

9:23

essentially a Philip K. Dick thing, which I don't

9:25

think I really knew at the time,

9:27

because I hadn't really read a ton of his stuff

9:29

in 02, but a

9:31

lot of the side characters, a

9:34

lot of the conception of

9:36

the future of us being constantly

9:38

surveilled, of us all being

9:40

hooked up on our devices and

9:42

all being mildly addicted to

9:44

drugs is all out of Philip K. Dick, and

9:46

he obviously wrote this. Are you a Phil Dick guy?

9:48

I am a Phil Dick guy. Yeah, I actually went

9:51

on a little Phil Dick run. Recently you

9:53

feel dicked it up. Yeah, I got a

9:55

I got a category later for it for

9:57

the for the dick lovers out there. Well,

9:59

so the things from that book

10:01

are He has a pre -crime

10:03

police department that appraise criminals

10:05

He has the pre cogs

10:07

and it's in DC in

10:09

2054 which by the way van is

10:11

now less than 30 years away. Yeah, you know

10:13

what I was thinking are we

10:16

closer to the

10:19

actual imagining Oh,

10:21

it's a great question of of the

10:23

world in 2054 or are we nowhere

10:25

near do you feel disappointed? I feel

10:27

like we're so far away from the

10:29

cars and the traffic how they manage

10:31

that in here. Oh god. Yeah, we're

10:33

like seven. I can't even build a

10:36

train. We at least have Waymo, but

10:38

yeah, we can't we can't build half

10:40

like I had to stop myself from

10:42

like Legitimately following Waymo's in the neighborhood.

10:44

I would see a waymo. They're freaky.

10:46

Coleca goes there's nobody inside of the

10:48

waymo. Yeah, and I'm like what the

10:50

Fuck. I see it all the time

10:52

when I'm walking around. Every time I

10:54

notice, I'm just like, there's nobody

10:56

driving that car right now. just want to

10:58

follow a Waymo for just like one block

11:00

and see if the Waymo is up to the

11:03

task. I know. I never see anybody riding in the

11:05

back of Waymo. Sometimes you want to throw the Waymo

11:07

a curveball, just like run out in front of it. Does

11:09

the Waymo know? I always think about that. But

11:13

you also don't want to be the

11:15

one guy that dies. Like fucking

11:17

hit by way man. Yeah, what happened to this

11:19

guy? Oh, he was testing the way more and the

11:22

way more said fuck you. I mean the problem

11:24

with the way most from what I've seen walking around

11:26

is they're better drivers than all the actual drivers.

11:28

Yeah, but you need basically to hit a moment where

11:30

there are more way most than regular drivers because

11:32

otherwise they're just like toddling along. Yeah.

11:34

And it's like, I think I think

11:36

right now there's they're more in the

11:38

way than they are. You're behind a

11:40

way more. You're like when a way

11:42

more doesn't take that last like. You

11:44

can go on the left here, you

11:47

go. Go Waymo! But consider the Waymo

11:49

though. My

11:51

great grandfather passed away

11:53

in 1987. If I could

11:55

have a conversation with him and I could say

11:57

Big Papa. This would be the first thing

11:59

you told him. I would be like, yo, I'm

12:01

in a place right now where there

12:03

are cars that drive on the street

12:05

with no drivers and they drive people

12:08

around. couldn't even imagine that

12:10

he was born in 1900. It's nuts to think

12:12

that the Waymo is here, and it's not that big

12:14

of a deal. I have that every once in

12:16

a while with my mom where she'll be like,

12:18

what are you doing when I'm looking at my phone?

12:20

And I'm like, well, I was looking at a

12:22

cat, and now I'm looking at British Parliament. She's

12:27

like, what do you mean? And I'm

12:29

just like, honestly, you just go like that,

12:31

and then something else comes. And

12:33

she just, yeah. Craig, where does your

12:35

generation stand on Waymo? I think, honestly,

12:37

we're all in. A lot of my

12:39

friends take Waymo. It's cheaper. They're

12:41

like, they're doing that Uber thing where they're flooding

12:43

the market with cheap prices so that everybody uses it.

12:45

Have you had, like, oh my God,

12:47

I'm going to die at a Waymo moment? I admittedly

12:50

have not taken one. Oh, you haven't ever been before.

12:52

My son, Ben Simmons, actually signed

12:54

up early for Waymo and was using it

12:56

before we knew it was going on.

12:58

And we found out and we were freaked

13:00

out. It's like, there's nobody in the

13:02

car. It's just you. Well, they can't go on

13:04

the freeway yet. They don't do freeway. Right. So he's

13:06

just driving around in the neighborhoods. He's like, sometimes

13:08

I get in the passenger seat, sometimes I sit in

13:10

the back seat. There's nobody else

13:12

in it. But

13:15

apparently he said people some people are

13:17

like getting busy in the way obviously

13:19

You immediately lose your waymo past that

13:21

if you're in the waymo The first

13:23

thing you're gonna think is yo, this

13:25

is the fuck train. You know what?

13:27

Yeah, and so but but they're watching

13:29

you in the waymo The waymo sex

13:32

tapes are gonna be so crazy. Yeah,

13:34

whoever hacks into the waymo sex tapes

13:36

It's gonna be have you seen some

13:38

of like the waymo waymo attacks where

13:40

like people destroyed waymo's or tagged them

13:42

or like to

13:44

surf on top of them and stuff. It's

13:46

when the real repo man of LA

13:49

comes out. I think it's going

13:51

to be a big summer for people

13:53

torturing Waymo's. Anyway, back to my door to

13:55

report. Is that a prediction? Prediction.

13:57

Coming up next. I'll

14:00

tell you why Waymo

14:02

is getting tagged up. Spielberg

14:05

was really, really passionate

14:07

about figuring out 2054. So

14:10

I'll do some of the research stuff

14:12

now. consulted scientists,

14:14

invited 15 experts to Santa

14:16

Monica for a three -day think

14:18

tank, where they talked

14:20

about whatever the future is going

14:23

to be with architects. Douglas

14:25

Copeland from Gen X was there, the guy who

14:27

wrote that. Computer scientists, all kinds

14:29

of people. They made a

14:31

2054 Bible, which was an 80 -page

14:33

guide. I was looking for it online.

14:35

That had all the aspects of

14:37

their future world. It exactly should be

14:39

a PDF or an Apple book.

14:41

And then he said to Roger Ebert,

14:44

I wanted all the toys to

14:46

come true someday. I want

14:48

there to be a transportation system that

14:50

doesn't emit toxins into the atmosphere and

14:52

a newspaper that updates itself. The

14:55

internet is watching us now. If they want

14:57

to, they can see what sites you visit. In

15:00

the future, television will be watching

15:02

us and customizing itself to what it

15:04

knows about us. The

15:06

thrilling thing is that will make us feel

15:08

like we're part of the medium. The scary thing

15:10

is we'll lose our right to privacy and

15:13

ad will appear in the air around us talking

15:15

directly to us. All that shit is fucking

15:17

happening. Like he said this in

15:19

2002 and he was dead on. Here's

15:21

the best part about what he did though.

15:23

Does all this research, he imagines the

15:25

world, he figures all this stuff out with

15:27

scientists, he has a Bible. But

15:29

within the realm of the movie, it

15:32

all happens as part of the action. They

15:34

never stop and say, you know, we invented

15:36

self -driving cars in 2034 and they became

15:38

perfected in 2041. And this, you know, they

15:40

don't even have toxins. I didn't even think

15:42

that they didn't have toxins. It didn't even

15:44

occur to me until you said that. But

15:46

I was thinking about when, when Anderton in

15:49

this movie first, you know, is first on

15:51

the run and he's walking through the mall

15:53

and all the ads are starting to pop

15:55

at him. That's the first time you see

15:57

the curated, you know, personalized advertising stuff. And

15:59

it's five but you're like, holy shit,

16:01

what is going on in the future? You

16:03

know, what is going on in this world?

16:05

Now, it's very different to watch this movie

16:08

in 2025 and be like what you're saying

16:10

within touching distance of all of this stuff

16:12

basically being true. But honestly, none of the

16:14

good stuff that seems to come out of

16:16

Minority Report. Do you know what

16:18

I mean? I do. I do. I also

16:20

think that the movie is like one of

16:22

the best parts of the movie is the

16:24

world building that it does, right? It does

16:26

it all very softly. but

16:28

very definitely like he's walking through there

16:30

and you realize oh there's nowhere

16:33

he can go and not be reckoned.

16:35

How is he gonna get around

16:37

that? And then that sets up

16:39

to me the most disgusting but

16:41

also the most fascinating scene in

16:43

the movie where obviously when he

16:45

gets his uh his eyes replaced

16:47

which is just just like that

16:49

Spielberg just going like You

16:52

know me for making kids

16:54

fly on bicycles. How much

16:56

can I discuss you and

16:59

disturb you in one sequence?

17:01

But it all happens seamlessly.

17:04

There's never a point where the movie seems

17:06

like there's a specific point that it's trying

17:08

to make to you. I like that they

17:10

use DC and he talks about this where

17:12

sometimes in the futuristic movies it just has

17:14

no link to what things look like now.

17:16

So they use DC and they still have

17:18

a lot of the same landmarks in DC. But

17:21

it's just kind of a twisted

17:23

futuristic mm -hmm of it, which I

17:25

thought was smart the stuff that I

17:27

thought worked and tell me if

17:30

I left anything out For futuristic stuff

17:32

that just was cool the police

17:34

helicopters. Yeah a little Yeah, like I

17:36

feel like we might have those

17:38

29 years from now the eye recognition

17:40

that's already happening You could walk

17:42

into that's clear. Yeah, that's clear. That's

17:44

gone into quipper game That's just

17:46

staring in and then they know you

17:48

make you scan your retinas to

17:50

watch the clippers Well, they

17:52

stay, when you walk in, they scan

17:54

your face and whatever and you don't

17:56

have a ticket. Are you serious?

18:00

To watch the fucking clip? Yeah. Listen,

18:02

I don't have to wait in the

18:04

line. They can have all my stuff. I

18:06

feel like you gotta have a championship

18:08

to scan my face. I'm not letting the

18:10

clip or scan my face. What about

18:13

making the Western finals? Well, maybe. Maybe they

18:15

will. They can't

18:17

come on me. You gotta have more. They have my

18:19

face and they can scan all they want out of it.

18:22

What's the drug in this? Clarion? Nuranin.

18:25

Nuranin? Yeah. As

18:27

2054 fentanyl, basically? Yeah.

18:29

Like this new drug out of nowhere?

18:31

Yeah. But a little bit also, I think,

18:33

supposed to be. Hallucinogenic. Nelmaine and hallucinogenic.

18:35

Yeah. Yeah. Which is a very Phil K.

18:37

Dick thing. He has lots of, I

18:39

just read a book of his where it's

18:41

like everybody is taking a drug and

18:43

looking at a little model of reality and

18:45

then they go into the reality. Wow,

18:47

you have some filled dick energy today. Filled

18:50

dick in and up. Yeah, I'm going to

18:52

the drug part of it because in his

18:54

actual life, obviously, but the drug

18:56

part of it is always a staple part of

18:58

the future for him. Yeah, I think he got

19:01

he got down a little bit. He did, Phil.

19:03

Yeah. He liked to get wet. FaceTime

19:09

is in this movie, basically. Uh huh. Giant

19:12

giant awesome clear TVs. They saw

19:14

that coming. I liked

19:16

how they did the highways even though

19:18

I don't know how realistic that is

19:20

but the car that leaves your place

19:22

and bounces in and suddenly you're driving

19:24

and then we talked about earlier but

19:26

the the targeted virtual sponsors in a

19:28

mall I do

19:30

feel like that's probably where we're heading. I

19:32

mean, we're only seeing that where your your

19:34

phone can hear you talk about something and

19:36

all a sudden you're served the Instagram ad.

19:38

Yeah. And also the idea of everything that

19:41

you do coming with a 15 second ad

19:43

as like payment for it. So you think

19:45

about it when you're signing up for Wi -Fi

19:47

and a flight, you got to watch the

19:49

ad for 15 seconds. The way that the

19:51

mall looks in minority report is essentially what

19:53

the international terminal of LAX looks like. Like

19:55

when you're sitting there, there's like 15. giant

19:58

billboards just like you you really

20:00

do feel like your brain is

20:02

getting melted by advertising in there.

20:04

And also in the movie there's

20:06

so much that's automated and stuff.

20:09

There's so much the future

20:11

is it's it's so regulated

20:13

for you that in a

20:16

weird way the human interaction

20:18

the stakes in the film

20:20

they're like they're raised. It

20:23

like and I feel like that kind

20:25

of now is like when you are walking

20:27

through the world and so much of

20:29

what you're doing is like in this digital

20:31

world That like when you actually talk

20:33

to a person it almost feels like the

20:35

stakes are higher or like what you're

20:37

saying is a little bit more important because

20:40

when he's because there are Parts in

20:42

the movie where he feels like it's technology

20:44

against him But then when he gets

20:46

with Agatha it feels like okay. There's a

20:48

person on the other side of it

20:50

now. It's about how her essential

20:52

human gift, which is like all

20:54

mystical and ethereal can help him

20:56

out of his situation against the

20:58

technology that he's up against, man

21:00

-made stuff. I can't wait to

21:02

talk to you about Agatha. Cruise

21:06

and Spielberg together, zero

21:09

movies up until this point, started

21:11

developing this in 97, Mission Impossible

21:13

2 ran over, AI ran over.

21:17

They were basically like the two guys

21:19

who kept... they would have dinner

21:22

together and never have yet. No, no,

21:24

we're gonna have dinner and then

21:26

and then all a sudden It happened

21:28

but Spielberg was supposed to do

21:30

Rain Man and ended up doing Indie

21:32

3 instead Hmm, and then it

21:34

finally happened my favorite Indie this movie

21:37

has the following production companies in

21:39

it Dreamworks Amplen Entertainment 20th Century Fox

21:41

cruise Wagner productions and blue tulip

21:43

Which is yandubant's company right because big

21:45

yandubant guy? But

21:47

uh But Cruz and

21:50

Spielberg, they took 15 % of the gross. This

21:53

is the Spielberg check. Big

21:57

bet on yourself, guy. They

21:59

wanted to keep the budget under $100

22:01

million. You know, it's interesting. I actually

22:03

learned about that entire method of getting

22:05

paid through the career of Tom Cruz.

22:07

Yeah. Because someone will go, yeah, Tom

22:09

Cruz made $100 million for War of

22:12

the Worlds. I'd be like, how is

22:14

that possible? And then that's when

22:16

you understand the breakdown of his production company and

22:18

how you can make it and splits and

22:20

backing and all that stuff. I had no clue

22:22

about any of that stuff until he kind

22:24

of mainline. And this is kind of, I mean,

22:26

for what it's worth. I mean, part of

22:28

the reason why film budgets now seems so out

22:30

of whack is people get a lot of

22:33

their money upfront now. Right. Yeah. Because there's, there's

22:35

a little bit less dependability because the studio

22:37

has figured out ways to cheat people out of

22:39

some of these points. So movie costs a

22:41

hundred million, makes 400 million or whatever. they're like,

22:43

it only made. 5 million, right, because we

22:45

had to spend this much on this. Cruz's director

22:47

list, this was Pete Cruz. So

22:50

I'm going to do tears. This

22:53

is just everybody he works

22:55

with from Tony Scott on.

22:57

And we'll go like past

23:00

cocktail. Scorsese, Spielberg, Kubrick, DiPalma,

23:02

Sidney Pollock, Barry Levinson,

23:05

Ron Howard, Oliver Stone,

23:07

Tony Scott, Rob Reiner, PTA,

23:10

Neil Jordan, Cameron Crowe, and John

23:12

Woo. And then

23:15

his next four after this movie were Michael

23:17

Mann, Ed Swick, Spielberg,

23:19

and Abrams. Tom

23:21

Cruise laying down the blueprint. And

23:24

now Leo followed it. And then Chalamet is

23:26

like, that's what I'm going to do too. And

23:28

that's the move. I feel like Ciara would

23:30

whore himself out a couple of times. Uh,

23:32

this is how you run your acting

23:34

career. If you're lucky enough to be,

23:37

like, if you just say, I trust

23:39

the best director's working right now, like,

23:41

you will probably have a really good

23:43

career. Well, yeah, I mean, if you

23:45

get to the position that he got

23:47

to, you could, you can, yeah, yeah.

23:49

But, like, I'm saying, like, he could,

23:51

and he kind of spends the most

23:53

recent act of his career working mostly

23:55

with McQuarrie and mostly on big blockbusters

23:57

right now. Yeah. He's gonna do it

23:59

in a retoon movie next after Mission

24:02

Impossible. That'll be, like, his return to,

24:04

like, film film or whatever, but... His

24:06

run here is inspirational. I think for

24:08

anybody whoever achieves like Any notable amount

24:10

of success and has the opportunity it's

24:12

coming off eyes wide shut mission to

24:14

and vanilla sky The next three after

24:16

this last Samurai Coradero Coradero Oprah's couch.

24:19

Oh Yeah, yeah war of the world directed

24:21

to Oprah's couch. Yeah, well, I'm just

24:23

saying this is the time frame. We're moving

24:25

into he's broken up with the cold

24:27

Kidman Cruz is just about to get his

24:29

weird on We don't know this yet

24:32

in Minority Report. Is this

24:34

the official end of Tom Cruise's prime right

24:36

here? 2002. He's

24:39

bringing still no baggage really

24:41

whatsoever into Minority Report. Now we

24:43

know baggage. I think we've

24:45

talked about it before. There's

24:47

an interview with him and Sway. I

24:49

know I've brought this up on the podcast

24:52

before where Sway actually looks at Tom

24:54

Cruise and goes, you know what? For

24:56

all of your stardom, you're just one

24:58

of the celebrities. That just seems like

25:00

they get it. You just

25:03

get it. Like you were

25:05

this Hercules every What year is

25:07

this? This is maybe like

25:09

this might be missing, missing Impossible

25:11

2 promo run right here

25:13

because it's MTV. And he's

25:15

talking to him and Tom Cruise is

25:17

just not just the biggest movie star in

25:19

the world, but he's like America's nice

25:22

guy. And there's no edge. There's no, of

25:24

course, there are rumors about his personal

25:26

life, but all of that stuff doesn't really

25:28

matter that much. We don't really have

25:30

an understanding of Scientology as an actual thing.

25:32

We don't like know what it is.

25:34

And then, boom, like four

25:36

or five years later, there's like

25:38

this Anakin Skywalker turn where he's berating

25:40

Matt Lauer in the morning on

25:43

the morning show. He's jumping on a

25:45

couch. What year was that? It

25:47

was right up mid 2000. Yeah. Because

25:49

I was going to say that for me,

25:51

the probably the The real drop off

25:53

even though mission possible three i actually love

25:55

but is probably that's that's often yeah

25:57

that's awesome and that's a great i like

25:59

that one too and he makes the

26:02

topic thunder cameo but that's a way that's

26:04

a way but i'm saying that's gonna

26:06

be a cool guy hardest drop off for

26:08

me is night and day because night

26:10

and day is a movie he tried to

26:12

sell really hard. Like as if it

26:14

was going to be this giant blockbuster and

26:16

I think it was a disappointment over

26:18

and then after that it's like ghost protocol

26:20

rock of ages jack reacher oblivion It

26:22

starts to he's basically only mission impossible is

26:24

how we want to consume tom cruise

26:27

with the exception of maybe edge of tomorrow

26:29

But see even edge of tomorrow is

26:31

very telling about his career because edge of

26:33

tomorrow is to me It's the worst

26:35

A rapper gets to a certain point to

26:37

where like you come along you're building

26:39

your career as a rapper and then For

26:41

whatever reason, hip hop just goes, we're

26:43

finished with you. We don't like you anymore.

26:46

And it doesn't matter how dope the music that

26:48

you put out is, we've moved on to

26:50

new rappers. And so they're guys and you'll

26:52

be trying to tell people, amen, I don't know if you

26:54

know, so -and -so just dropped a crazy album. They just don't

26:56

care anymore. And so when Edge

26:58

of Tomorrow came out, that wasn't like Oblivion or

27:00

some of those other movies that were up

27:03

or down. I enjoy Jack Reacher, but

27:05

you could take it or leave

27:07

it. Edge of Tomorrow is legitimately

27:09

awesome. like, fantastic

27:11

sci -fi. I also like Jack Reacher. I

27:13

like Jack Reacher. But it kind of lands

27:15

with a little bit of a thud.

27:17

And that's when you go Thompson Trouble. Like,

27:20

that's when you go, like, he actually

27:22

made a good album and nobody cares. It

27:24

almost had a word of mouth run

27:26

because people are like, no, no, the edge

27:28

of tomorrow good. No, it's really good.

27:30

people are like surprised by it. That whole

27:32

thing was like, what's the movie called?

27:34

Like, is it called Live, Die, Repeat? Yeah,

27:36

or is it called Edge of Tomorrow?

27:38

And like, I think... It was a little

27:40

bit ahead of its time and popularizing

27:43

some of the extra stuff. Have you guys

27:45

watched the Oprah's couch clip? I have

27:47

many times recently. I haven't but I watched

27:49

the the thing we based remember we

27:51

did clatheism Yeah, at the ringer in like

27:53

early days and that was like based

27:55

on him in the turtleneck talking about Scientology.

27:57

The Oprah's couch thing right it became

27:59

Kind of like a go -to joke and

28:01

we all knew what it meant But

28:03

I don't know how many times people have

28:06

actually gone back and watched how fucking insane it

28:08

is. And it's

28:10

just this audience of crazy Oprah

28:12

lady fans just losing their shit

28:14

every time he gets excited that

28:16

he's finally in love. And

28:18

Oprah's like, I've never seen

28:20

you like this. And Cruz

28:22

is like, I know, I

28:25

know. And then he just

28:27

starts jumping up and down. And it's like,

28:29

what is happening? Way

28:31

crazier than I think it gets credit

28:33

for. Yeah. And it's one of the craziest

28:35

celebrity moments ever. But there's a crazy

28:37

trifecta. There's that. There's

28:39

him being just his

28:41

furious at Maddler.

28:43

Yeah. He's really angry.

28:46

And then there's

28:48

the other thing where

28:50

he's whatever. the

28:52

video from Scientology Leaks, and he's

28:54

talking and he's like, yeah, have

28:56

you ever met a SA before? And

29:01

I'm like, oh, fucking

29:03

shit, Tom Cruise. His

29:05

goddamn Emperor Palpatine. What the fuck

29:07

is going on? And then

29:09

I love the guy, but he's fucking batshit.

29:11

Oh, no, no, no, no, 17 rewatchable

29:14

movies. He's a maniac. He's

29:16

really like, I don't, okay. So this

29:18

is a dark time in time. I don't

29:20

know when to get into the, but

29:22

He really has taken all of that good

29:24

will back, in my opinion.

29:27

I agree. Top Gun Maverick, he's taken

29:29

all of that good will back. Listen,

29:31

we love Tom Cruise, but yeah,

29:33

there's been some moments where you're like,

29:35

oh yeah, okay. It's

29:38

like if you're at like a holiday

29:40

dinner and you have that one uncle

29:42

who's, it seems like it's going great.

29:44

And then they just say something absolutely

29:46

insane. After two glasses of wine, you're

29:48

like, oh. Let's think about this the

29:50

other day about how he kind of

29:52

inverted the way actors typically would progress

29:54

throughout their career. He does all this

29:56

great stuff with great directors when he's

29:58

younger. Yeah. Then he hits a certain

30:00

point and he's like, I'm just gonna

30:02

make action movies and I'm just gonna

30:04

throw myself off of stuff even though

30:06

he's getting increasingly older and probably that's

30:09

more and more dangerous every time he

30:11

tries that stuff. This is probably the

30:13

perfect mix of acting Tom Cruise in

30:15

an interesting Speculative piece

30:17

of sci -fi drama conspiracy thriller and running

30:19

Tom Cruise because he basically runs for

30:21

this entire movie because everybody runs but

30:23

I love that like It's this weird

30:25

thing where you'd expect. Oh as you

30:27

get older You're gonna settle into being

30:29

like I'm Paul Newman now. I'm gonna

30:31

play a guy who's having a midlife

30:33

crisis We always talk about this cruise

30:35

never had is the verdict. Yeah, he's

30:38

never did it also We got to

30:40

a point with Tom to where we

30:42

just appreciated what he was willing to

30:44

do to entertain us He's

30:46

willing to live this

30:48

mysterious, almost monastic lifestyle.

30:51

He's willing to get on the plane. If you look,

30:54

you got on the couch, that's one thing. But

30:56

if you're willing to get on the side

30:58

of the plane, if you're willing to

31:00

jump off of, you just, I'm gonna be

31:02

like, yeah, I'm fucking with this guy. If

31:05

you're willing to get, I'm watching

31:07

it, I'm like, yo, is

31:09

this motherfucker on the side of the

31:11

plane? Is he actually on the plane?

31:13

And I think it was those things

31:15

that were in an era where it

31:17

seems like people sometimes forced me to

31:19

shit. It just seems like he still gives

31:21

a shit about making good movies. Let's

31:24

take a break and then we'll hit the rest of

31:26

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in this movie, including a very

32:01

young, our guy, Colin Farrell. Sierra

32:04

and I did a pod with

32:06

him. What was that, 2018?

32:08

In person? This is right when he

32:10

was being like paraded around like this

32:12

is the guy, you know, it was

32:14

after in in 02 Tiger land. This

32:17

could be a next guy guy. Yeah.

32:19

Yeah. It's his Russell Crowe mid 90s

32:21

kind of moment where it's like you

32:23

might be hearing from this guy in

32:25

a real way now. I put it

32:27

as his Jude Law Gadokarole. Jude Law.

32:29

Yeah, exactly. To where it's like, hey,

32:31

Ethan Hawks deleted this, but there's this

32:33

new guy, Jude Law, and we're going

32:36

to give him time to cook a

32:38

little bit because he's going to be

32:40

on. The top like Billy Jacoby and

32:42

just one of the guys same thing

32:44

It's like this is a joist hyzer

32:46

movie, but but this is really just

32:48

one of the guys just one of

32:50

the guys the little brother the comedic

32:52

genius Billy Jacoby As

32:55

I'm distracted by just one of the guys.

32:57

Yeah, okay. I just final. I just I

32:59

think about the the final scene. Yeah. Think

33:01

about the reveal. We're going to distract you

33:03

when we talk about the pre -cogs later.

33:05

The reveal. Samantha Morton as a pre -cog. Yeah.

33:08

Max Von Cytoh. A formative moment for me

33:10

as a kid. Cytoh. Your guy Max Von

33:12

Cytoh. Yeah. The evil Nazi from victory. We

33:15

lost Vin. Catherine Walker. Because you

33:17

weren't expecting it because. Are

33:19

you talking about just one of the guys? Yeah. Okay. You

33:22

weren't expecting it because when she

33:24

does it, you're like, oh, and

33:26

it's a PG movie. And it's

33:29

like, not only is she a

33:31

girl, but she is a fucking

33:33

woman. Yeah. Wow. And

33:36

you're making CR uncomfortable. Oh, no,

33:38

I'm all good. You're

33:40

back. All right. Catherine Walker,

33:42

Big Mom Fur, Neil McDonough from

33:44

Dorchester Mass. That's right. Better

33:47

than that guy. Great guy. A

33:49

working man. Throw a cowboy hat on him

33:52

and put him in anything you want and

33:54

he's ready to go. Walking tall with a

33:56

rock. Yeah, like

33:58

just a working man. Yeah. Love

34:00

that guy. Music by John Williams. Cinematography

34:02

by Janusz Kaminski. Written by Scott

34:04

Frank. Yep. Spielberg. Only

34:07

nominated for an Oscar for

34:10

sound editing. And I really

34:12

want to litigate this. Oh,

34:14

okay. Best picture

34:16

that year Chicago wins Gangs of

34:18

New York the hours Lord of

34:20

the Rings two towers the pianist

34:22

Director Polanski wins. Hmm Rob Marshall

34:24

controversy Rob Marshall for Chicago Scorsese

34:26

Steven Daldry for the hours Pedro.

34:28

I'm out of our mutt of

34:30

our Aldo Aldo out of our

34:32

whatever talk to her Spielberg just

34:34

shut out Yeah, I mean, a

34:36

really weird way when and this

34:38

almost feels like a little like

34:40

people are like, all right, Steve,

34:42

enough. He had his the the

34:44

Schindler's Private Ryan run, maybe like

34:46

where everybody's just like, you're good

34:48

now. don't know how this was.

34:50

I don't know. I mean, like

34:52

when you watch this movie and

34:55

you watch Chicago, which I have

34:57

not watched this movie versus Lord

34:59

of the Rings, like, really? Well,

35:01

all right, you're going to get

35:03

Jesus Christ. Fucking guys in your

35:05

mentions, right? Yeah. What

35:07

are you doing? Well, the rings is

35:09

about the two towers. He is. I

35:12

might even a huge lower versus minority report.

35:14

Have you have first of all, have you seen

35:16

Lord of the Rings two dollars? So

35:19

get off the one with the

35:21

towers Shawn Aston in it. He

35:23

is hours. That was good. That

35:25

was a good movie. Yeah, I

35:27

think what hurts at those we

35:29

don't have the nine movie categories

35:31

at this point. a movie category.

35:33

It makes it director. We could

35:35

argue about also Spielberg has LeBron

35:37

James syndrome. You could basically give

35:39

him a best directing not for

35:41

almost every film that he directs.

35:43

So he's probably competing against himself.

35:45

Didn't realize Rich Paul was here.

35:48

God, man, don't. Now you're going to tell us

35:50

that Chris Bosh wasn't part of the big

35:52

three. Sean asked him to have no role in

35:55

getting the ring to Mordor. It wasn't a

35:57

big three. Chris Bosh was a bench guy. All

35:59

right, then the Michael Jordan syndrome. He's directing

36:01

against himself. And if he is directing against himself,

36:03

Minority Report is not going to be a

36:05

movie that you're going to be like, oh my

36:07

god, he has to get nominated. I can

36:09

never tell if Rich really likes being on McAfee.

36:11

I don't know, man. Do want

36:13

to skip this topic? Let's

36:15

move on hundred two million

36:17

dollar budget. It made three hundred

36:20

fifty four million dollars. Yeah,

36:22

yeah Roger Ebert. What do you

36:24

think, man? How

36:26

many stars? think

36:28

three and a half four and a

36:30

half stars four stars four stars. I can

36:32

see him loving this. I'm just gonna

36:34

read this because it's really good American movies

36:36

are in the midst of a transition

36:38

period. He's right Spielberg, who

36:40

is a master of technology, trusts only

36:42

story and character, and then uses

36:44

everything else as a workman, uses his

36:46

tools. He makes Minority

36:49

Report the new technology. Other

36:51

directors seem to be trying to make their movies

36:53

from it. The film

36:55

is such a virtuoso, high -wire

36:57

act, daring so much, achieving it with

36:59

such grace and skill. Minority

37:01

Report reminds us why we go to the

37:03

movies in the first place. Wow. Raj is

37:05

like, fucking. That's like a four and

37:07

a half stars. Yeah, it's like a

37:10

Dave Meltzer five -star match All right, we're

37:12

gonna the categories most rewatchable scene Howard

37:14

Marx is about to kill his wife

37:16

Yeah, I just let's just say up

37:18

front. There are great scenes in this

37:20

movie, but this is a great sequence

37:22

movie Oh, yeah, where it'll be like

37:24

one scene bleeds into the next, you

37:26

know what I mean chase into a

37:28

chase Yeah, it's difficult to say like

37:30

whether or not it's Are there three

37:32

scenes in the Howard Marks thing? The

37:34

surgery scene, and then the scene after

37:36

that. Howard Marks is

37:38

red ball. Yeah. So we

37:40

learned that the red ball

37:43

killing still occur. It's

37:45

like they don't spend 10 minutes explaining it. They're

37:47

just like, oh, this is a red ball. It's

37:49

like, what's a red ball? And just kind of

37:51

gets sucked in. Right. And the idea is basically

37:53

that premeditated murder is almost extinct because people know

37:55

they will be caught. Yeah. One of the cool

37:57

things about this movie is this is a pretty

37:59

far fetched crazy premise and you get it within

38:01

10 minutes. Yeah. It's like, we're trying to stop

38:03

out. This is the pre -crime division. We're

38:06

trying to prevent all crime with these

38:08

three fucking bald women in the water

38:10

who can see stuff ahead of time.

38:12

And if they tell us, they'll send

38:14

a red ball and we got to

38:16

stop it before it happens. Yeah. Yeah.

38:18

Boom. I get it. And like the

38:20

passion of the crime and the humanity

38:22

of it matter, right? Because they can't,

38:25

there are a couple crimes that they

38:27

can't stop. Yeah. But murder is, it,

38:29

triggers the precogs and then I like

38:31

the merry -go -round thing where Cruz is

38:33

like With his hands moving. Yeah, and

38:35

then figures out that it's a merry

38:37

-go -round Good scene all around next one

38:39

Cruz figures out the Leo crow murder

38:41

and sees himself Can

38:56

you say something, Chief? No.

39:02

A very cool scene. That

39:04

is just a brilliant scene.

39:06

He's got the people up

39:09

there. He's got his guy

39:11

behind him. He has to steal

39:13

the ball, and he's figuring out

39:15

for himself the shock of it.

39:17

This is why I always say

39:19

that, and other people say, Tom

39:21

Cruise is actually underrated. as an

39:23

actor to me. I totally agree.

39:25

He's because when you see everything

39:27

that's going on, he's doing so

39:29

many different things emotionally and the

39:32

audience is basically reading it from

39:34

his face. And it's fantastic. You're

39:36

talking to a guy who thinks he should have been nominated

39:38

for cocktail. So for cocktail. Yeah,

39:40

he's amazing. This is remember when we

39:42

were doing WIC and we talked about

39:44

the the moment WIC goes up to

39:46

the nightclub bouncer. Yeah, that until he

39:49

falls off the balcony in the nightclub.

39:51

And it's like 11 minutes or something

39:53

like that. I'm like, that's like the

39:55

best 11 minutes of action movies. The

39:57

moment from when Wally says, I

40:00

like you, chief. That's why I'll give

40:02

you two minutes before I have

40:04

you along. That's the 40th minute to

40:06

where Anderson pulls out in the

40:08

new car is 55 minutes. It's a

40:10

15 minute run. Wow. And it

40:12

is fucking pure. I have two. Yeah,

40:14

I have almost two scenes in

40:16

there. Yeah. I feel like,

40:18

uh, I feel like Jack

40:20

Sanders would give me two minutes to get out of

40:22

here. Oh, yeah, I think so. Jack, I

40:24

feel like you give me the two minutes. Wait a minute. Did

40:27

you just make Jack

40:30

the weird fucking temple

40:32

Bricog kissing the unconscious

40:34

woman? didn't. Jack, bro,

40:36

stand the fuck up. No, I didn't.

40:38

It was a compliment. I

40:41

just think Jack would do that. I like your

40:43

chief. I'm gonna give you two minutes before I

40:45

call Spotify security. Ben's telling me right

40:47

away. He's like, here he is, get him! Actually,

40:49

y 'all don't even know me because I'd be like,

40:51

I'd help you escape. Yeah, that is stupid. I'd help

40:53

you get out of here. Jack can't talk. He's

40:55

in a pool of milk. Jack,

40:59

he made you, he just, that's

41:01

how I built things I was

41:03

complimenting him. Weird kissing. No. That's

41:06

bullshit. You stop.

41:09

The elevator ride with Carl Farrell's goodness. Great

41:12

thing. We get a 2054 car

41:14

chase. We get

41:16

Max on Sido. Now that you've seen this movie

41:18

a bunch of times. Seedow. Seedow.

41:20

Yeah. Just for all my Max guys out there,

41:22

you know, I just didn't want you to. I

41:24

never knew that. Yeah. Max on Seedow. I thought

41:26

it was, yeah. Max. I

41:28

defer to you, but I never knew

41:30

that. As Dr. Charles Nichols, which you

41:32

realize this as you're watching this. Yeah.

41:34

I mean, if you if you know Richard,

41:37

where are

41:40

you? I

41:43

love that guy in those movies. This

41:45

has to this has the I like you,

41:47

chief guy. I love when that guy

41:49

is in any movie where it's guys like,

41:51

I could probably but just go and

41:53

then I'll do it. And then the Charles

41:55

Nichols and then Cruz jumping on the

41:57

Jetsons cars is phenomenal. And

41:59

then which leads to the next scene. I

42:01

just wrote down Cruz gets away from eight

42:03

guys. Cruise runs

42:06

peak cruise running fire

42:08

escape jet pack fight.

42:10

Yep cruise jumps 50

42:12

stories possible nitpick because

42:14

he's climbing a fire

42:16

escape for like what? Nine

42:19

stories, but then falls 50

42:21

stories. Oh, just it's good.

42:24

It's noted. I love

42:26

when the jump like the skydiver

42:28

move where you you don't have a

42:30

pack but you jump on the

42:32

other skydiver they have that I

42:34

really like when somebody crashes through an

42:37

apartment, but they show the people in

42:39

the apartment not doing anything like I'm

42:41

just on my computer and then Tom

42:43

Cruise falls through more crews running crane

42:45

fight with Colin Farrell. Uh -huh. I

42:47

love that, Colin Farrell. W .W. Hell in

42:49

the Cell 1997 crane fight. Kisses his

42:51

chain and you know that's his little

42:53

- Yeah, it gets a little fucking

42:55

Irish on him. And then it ends

42:57

with Cruz being embedded in a Tesla.

42:59

Yeah. What a

43:01

sequence. 15 minutes. And also,

43:04

So cool that Spielberg is like I'm

43:06

gonna do the jet pack Fight

43:08

the jet pack chase and then you're

43:10

like, oh you're catching your breath

43:12

and he's like not only a motherfucker

43:14

We're going into a car factory

43:16

and we're gonna for cranes at this

43:18

guy. Yeah, and every part of

43:21

it has it's the little futures elements

43:23

the little Stun gun where you

43:25

whip that motherfucker around and then you

43:27

shoot it again then they're fighting

43:29

then Another futures element a totally automated

43:31

car factory that no human

43:33

workers in it, people are fighting. Nobody

43:35

is stopping to go, hey, stop fighting. Go

43:37

get the super. Right. Well, get the good

43:39

foreman. Like the car gets built around him

43:42

and then he drives around it. A completely

43:44

consistent movie the entire way through. And it's

43:46

such a great image because he's being like

43:48

hemmed in by all this technology anyway. So

43:50

he's being like imprisoned in the automation of

43:52

all this stuff. And you get your product

43:54

placement in there. Yeah. Lexus. Lexus. Short

43:56

scene, but the crew's flashback to when

43:58

he loses his kid is good with the

44:01

breath holding and the foreshadowing. Next

44:03

one I have is Blind Crews

44:05

moves through the decrepit apartment building

44:07

as the ID spiders come after

44:09

him. Absolutely

44:28

Spielberg in his bag the overhead

44:30

shot of all the little rooms the

44:32

people having sex people fighting but

44:34

stopping for just one second so

44:36

that the spiders can scan their

44:38

retinas unbelievable you can see when other

44:40

people have Jack Steven Spielberg right

44:42

yeah because because he that's the

44:44

first time I've seen that I'm

44:46

sure someone had did it before but

44:49

then I think immediately well that's

44:51

John Wick Four and the you

44:53

know when you're when he's got

44:55

the the dragons breath shotgun and he's

44:57

doing the whole deal It's fantastic.

44:59

And that's also one of the

45:01

to me scenes in the movie.

45:03

That's the most heavily influenced by the

45:05

Matrix Just those little spider guys

45:07

come another influence. Yeah, I have

45:09

two things off this scene Spielberg

45:12

was gonna create the air bubbles rising

45:14

with CGI and Tom Cruise said

45:16

Steve I got you Give

45:19

me some time to figure out to do this myself. Which

45:22

leads us to a brand new

45:24

award of the rewatchables. The

45:26

Tom Cruise learned how to do it

45:28

himself award. Which

45:30

goes to Tom Cruise. Steve,

45:33

just give me two weeks to figure

45:35

out this air bubble thing. There's

45:38

no bigger maniac who's not

45:40

in prison than Tom Cruise. Just

45:42

think of him in bodies of

45:44

water with spotters. And

45:46

then popping up and going. How many

45:48

with the air bubble? Well, that's the isn't

45:50

that the Matt Damon joke or who

45:52

told that story where it's like Tom Cruise

45:54

is like planning the stunt for like

45:56

eight years And the safety guy is like

45:58

you can't do it. We can't assure

46:01

this. So I got to do safety guy

46:03

Remember like the video the audio that

46:05

came out when Tom Cruise was explaining to

46:07

the people on set How important what

46:09

it is that he was doing is like,

46:11

remember that? Yeah, like on the set

46:13

of like the mummy or something. No, it

46:15

wasn't from the mummy. It was I

46:17

think it was either from it was recent.

46:19

It was like, it was during COVID.

46:21

He was like, yeah, I think

46:23

it was mission. Yeah, it was one of

46:25

the missions. And he was like, we're trying

46:27

to save movies here. Yeah. And people thought

46:29

that that was going to be a clip

46:31

that made people like not like Cruise. No,

46:33

people were like, yes. People were like, yeah,

46:35

fuck yeah. The best was when he Broke

46:37

his ankle jumping and then just kept running

46:39

because he didn't want them to lose the

46:41

scene. His fucking ankle was snapped like he

46:44

was it was like I Kevin wear the

46:46

Louisville guy. Yeah. And he's just like, let

46:48

me let me fucking drag my leg because

46:50

I don't want to lose this shot. Like

46:52

Cruz is nuts. Yes. He's there's nobody like

46:54

him. So that's one. And then the other

46:56

one. Top four

46:58

blind guy scene of all time. Yeah,

47:01

it's everything I have a

47:03

real like phobia about I stuff

47:05

just cuz like and I

47:07

So I have two nominees and

47:09

I don't know what the

47:11

third one is the blood sport

47:14

fight with Vonda That

47:31

one. Uh -huh. Son of

47:33

a woman dancing? Yeah. Son a woman dancing.

47:35

That one. And there's probably one more. So this

47:37

is three. I don't know what the fourth

47:39

member of Mount Rushmore is for blind guys. know

47:41

in the comments what blind Mount Rushmore is.

47:43

Craig, do you have any blind guy thoughts? Um,

47:46

no. I wasn't prepared for blind guy

47:48

corner. Blind

47:50

man Rushmore. We're still one short. Yeah. Anyone

47:52

has any nominees? Comment below. We have comments

47:54

on Spotify now. Oh, good.

47:56

Comments. Great. Next

47:59

one I have is Cruz takes the

48:01

pre -cock to Dweezel Zappa's club. Yeah, I

48:03

think I saw a van in one of

48:05

the rooms I Rewound it. So funny.

48:07

I thought I saw you in there What

48:10

would you be doing if you could

48:12

do anything one of those clubs, you know

48:14

virtual what I would be like virtual

48:16

I know everyone wants to zero vans can

48:18

be having a virtual orgy or something

48:20

like that, but that's not what it would

48:22

be. I'll be Everybody thinks that I

48:24

would be virtual LSU quarterback. Yeah, is that

48:26

that's what I would be Oh, that's

48:28

virtual LSU quarterback. All right guys. We're gonna

48:30

go why dig X

48:32

go see no, this is oh

48:35

too. You're just handing it

48:37

off man Spread offense yet. Yeah,

48:39

that is true way more

48:41

physical game back then I would

48:43

do a virtual hunt for

48:45

an October rewatchables because I can't

48:48

do that in real life

48:50

I really like to use those

48:52

app as club, but I

48:54

like futuristic Total recall

48:56

has this too where they it's like

48:58

the one place they can get super

49:00

fun in a sci -fi thing where

49:02

it's like well There's gonna be a

49:05

nightclub or like an orgy place and

49:07

they'll just it's nuts. All right two

49:09

more Cruz has to kill Leo Crow

49:11

You still have a choice Mike Bender

49:13

yeah, like binder binder like binder. Yeah

49:15

Or bender. Yeah, I'm not sure. I

49:17

think it's I think it's bender to

49:19

I'm certain it's Max Vansita, but I

49:21

do not know about Mike. He's the

49:24

mind of a married man guy. Yeah

49:26

Yeah. Not a good show. Um,

49:29

just not good. Not a

49:31

good, not one of HBO's best efforts. But he's

49:33

also, he's a writer director. Did he direct the

49:35

Indian summer? Oh, no, I

49:37

love that movie. The one he did that was interesting

49:40

was that one with Costar and Joan Allen. I

49:42

thought that was pretty good. Is that Costar and Joan

49:44

Allen? Whatever that movie was, where Joan Allen's divorced

49:46

lady with kids and falls for Kevin Costar. Oh. So

49:48

it's odd. I don't know what the fuck you're

49:50

talking about. What is that? Listen, I'm sorry. I'm a

49:52

Costner fan. Oh, there you go. Sorry. I'm a

49:54

fan of one of the great actors of the last

49:56

40 years. I'll fuck with him, too. I'm

50:00

gonna give a borderline. Maybe

50:02

could have toned back Agatha a tiny bit in

50:04

this scene. In Leo Crow.

50:07

Yeah in the movie theater I remember

50:09

seeing this in the theater and my

50:11

big nitpick was like Agatha is just

50:13

a bad hang well She's a psychic

50:15

who's been living in a pool of

50:17

milk. So I get it Yeah, I

50:19

think she's got some big emotions, you

50:21

know, I can't walk because I get

50:23

it I found her disturbing. Yeah, right.

50:25

I think that was kind of the

50:28

point But I get it but that

50:30

is kind of not a fun hang

50:32

Bad hang that is kind of tender

50:34

slave You

50:36

know that you would immediately take

50:38

Agatha to the sports book. While I

50:40

have you here. you

50:43

think Nomar gets more than two hits

50:45

tonight? What do you know about hockey? King's

50:49

Oilers? Anyone? Last

50:54

one. Lamar Burgess gets caught. This

50:57

is basically the fugitive. I don't know why

50:59

we ran back the fugitive, but we're doing

51:01

all the same beats. We have the there's

51:03

a banquet. He's being celebrated. He

51:05

gets found out by our hero who is the

51:07

fugitive. And I wrote down

51:10

is there a better time to spring

51:12

the I know you didn't move

51:14

than when somebody is being honored at

51:16

a banquet. And there's just

51:18

people in tuxedos. That's probably the number one

51:20

spot, right? Yeah. What else would

51:22

you do? I mean, they can't do

51:24

anything. So your most rewatchable is that 15

51:26

minutes, right? Yes, but can I throw

51:28

two more in there just because I have

51:30

some Deon waiters nominees later and I

51:32

would be remiss if I didn't highlight their

51:35

scenes. I love the greenhouse. It's such

51:37

a crazy gear shift and That seems freaks

51:39

me out, but I I'll allow her

51:41

improvising on set kissing him and that's Tom

51:43

Cruise's real reaction because she didn't say

51:45

I'm gonna kiss you on the lips here

51:47

Yeah, great and also just explains everything

51:49

that's going on in the movie and then

51:53

Just the pier storm our eye

51:55

surgeon. Yeah, you know disgrace

51:57

plastic surgeon who's like remember me,

51:59

you know, you put me

52:01

away and Miss Van Eck, you

52:03

know the Russian or the

52:05

Swedish Nurse that he has just

52:07

really creepy and pure Philip

52:09

K. Dick. I've the only one

52:11

that did you it's not

52:13

mentioned is the first meetup between

52:16

Colin Farrell and Tom

52:18

Cruise Oh, yeah, the feel -out. Yeah,

52:20

the feel -out where he rolls the

52:22

ball and goes, hey, you caught that,

52:24

where there are two different perspectives

52:26

on pre -crime or clashing. Like,

52:28

that's one of the best scenes in the movie. It's a

52:30

good pew -pew moment for you there. Good pew -pew moment.

52:32

Yeah, it's a pew -pew in there. What the hell, what

52:35

do you mean by that? No, just like, you

52:37

went big picture for us. You

52:39

like it. You pew -pewed us.

52:43

I have the 15 -minute stretch as well.

52:45

Yeah. But... about

52:47

as good as it gets, man.

52:49

I gotta say, the ID spiders

52:51

are fucking incredible. And

52:53

the way they shoot, where you can see all

52:55

these different kind of CD apartments and rooms. And

52:57

then how he tries to beat the spiders, he's

52:59

afraid to go blind. You think he's gonna beat

53:01

them and then he doesn't beat them? It

53:04

says everything about the way the society

53:06

is structured in that world where all these

53:08

people living in this tenement are like,

53:10

this is just a fact of life that

53:12

I have to allow this fucking... robotic

53:14

spider to scan my retina while I'm

53:16

in the middle of fighting with my

53:19

wife. They do the Cooper games. See,

53:21

no banners, but you get to, they get

53:23

to, they get to see, and then the

53:25

spiders crawl out. But look,

53:28

but to that point, though, they've

53:30

traded that in order to have

53:32

a society with with no murders.

53:34

So it's like even litigating with

53:36

Craig, what do you have for

53:38

most rewatchable scene? I

53:40

agree with CR. I think that that

53:42

action sequence in that like factory is

53:44

the most entertaining part of the movie

53:46

to me. Okay. What's the

53:48

most 2002 thing about this movie? Still

53:51

normal, Tom Cruise. No

53:54

social media in the 50 year

53:56

future of things. Yeah. Social

53:58

media is not in this movie. They

54:00

didn't realize what was about to happen

54:02

with phones. Yeah, also like the idea

54:05

that it's like He that the person

54:07

is reading USA today rather than like,

54:09

you know, I have cut a cutting

54:11

-edge virtual USA today in 2002 made

54:13

sense I got one too young mustache

54:15

Colin Farrell was the other one ahead.

54:17

What do you have physical media? Hmm

54:20

his memories of his son

54:22

Aren't streaming though. He has to

54:25

get little discs right out

54:27

and put them in there. It's

54:29

one the things they got

54:31

wrong One last one which I

54:33

think is the winner the

54:36

TV show Cops being integrated in

54:38

a 2054 movie scene. Cops

54:41

is long gone. Yeah. Yeah. It made

54:43

sense to know too, though. I would

54:45

just say probably the introduction slash warnings

54:47

of government surveillance and overreach coming out

54:49

of 9 -11, which is

54:51

like he's, you know, I don't remember when

54:53

the Patriot Act is exactly passed, but

54:55

like this is right around when it's like,

54:57

are we sure we want to have

54:59

like unconditional surveillance powers? Like the Spiky Bat.

55:01

Bat speaks of that. Yeah. Right. The

55:05

okay motherfucker award for the exact

55:07

moment when this movie goes up a

55:09

notch Cruz gets grabbed by the

55:11

pre -cock. Oh Or would

55:13

you go? Oh, I go him

55:15

and Neil McDonough and him be

55:17

like everybody runs and then Steven

55:19

Spielberg stages an actual jetpack fight

55:21

Yeah, if you were seeing the

55:23

behind the scenes for that scene

55:25

No, it's fucking mind -blowing that first

55:28

of all like the it's on

55:30

wires, but it's all happening practically

55:32

on a set And Spielberg is

55:34

basically like, it's like he's

55:36

Coltrade. He's like, we're going to do this. And

55:38

then I'm going to come here. Tom, I

55:40

need you for two seconds to say this. Cut.

55:42

OK, moving on. And he's just like breaking

55:44

down. It's one of the coolest, like behind the

55:46

scenes, five minute videos you can see, because

55:48

it's just like Spielberg with like basically no storyboard

55:50

being like this. OK, cut. Now I want

55:52

you to do this. Tom, one more time. Thank

55:54

you. Awesome. And it's like he just pieces

55:56

this thing together in his head. It's amazing. You

55:59

think Spielberg is a genius? What?

56:01

Yeah. Like a real genius.

56:03

No, I think to be able

56:05

to see story and execute it to that level.

56:07

I think he's an actual genius. Yeah, I

56:09

agree. Because I think the word genius gets thrown

56:11

a lot. Okay. This would

56:14

be a good podcast where we just decide

56:16

if somebody's a genius or not each episode. I

56:18

think to me it's no brainer. Maybe it'd

56:20

be a two minute podcast. Well,

56:22

no, I mean, I think that, well, I guess

56:24

the question would be, I

56:26

mean, actually, the question would be

56:28

not who is a genius, but it

56:30

would be who isn't one because

56:32

of all those high level directors, some

56:35

of them are probably just great workmen

56:37

and understand film. But then some of

56:39

them are able to do things and

56:42

translate story and emotion in a way

56:44

that is just innate in a way.

56:46

They just understand what people need to

56:48

see and need to feel. It's almost

56:50

like. the fantasy brain in your head,

56:53

you can see it and translate it as

56:55

a director. And only I think a few

56:57

people can actually do that where they can

56:59

just be like, I see this room and

57:01

I storyboarded this before and that curtains get,

57:03

and they just like, they're in some fucking

57:05

alternate universe as they're in the real universe. I

57:09

have three Tom Cruise awards in a row for

57:11

you. The Tom Cruise Award

57:13

for most awkward moment when someone

57:15

kisses Tom Cruise. That goes

57:17

to Dr. Iris kissing Cruise. The

57:20

Tom Cruise running award for best running in

57:22

a movie. I think it's

57:24

Tom Cruise, but I thought Farrell had a nice

57:26

little moment there with the skid. Yeah. So

57:28

I don't know. Do you want to talk this?

57:30

was a runoff. It was pretty good.

57:33

Tom gets it going. Because he comes

57:35

around the corner. In a movie

57:37

when Tom starts running, you go, man, Tom

57:39

is the best running guy in a movie

57:41

that we've seen. But then Farrell comes right

57:43

around and you go, And you

57:45

run as well. He's a good athlete

57:47

and then he did Miami Vice and

57:49

he probably hasn't run since then The

57:52

only Tom Cruise would do this award

57:54

Could be Telling Spielberg. He's got the

57:56

little drops of oxygen Shaving his head

57:58

at the end for I don't really

58:00

feel like a like because they put

58:02

him in the prison thing and they

58:04

have to put the halo on his

58:06

head But they could have bald capped

58:08

him. He's like no actually shave it

58:11

And then Cruz's eyes actually being held back

58:13

by those metal sticks, which seemed real. I

58:15

think that's the winner. Just thank God he

58:17

didn't, like, I want to replace my own

58:19

eyeballs. He probably

58:22

asked. He's

58:24

like, what if we actually replaced my

58:26

eyes? They're like, Tom, Tom, no. Steve, I've

58:28

got a crazy idea. Crazy idea. There's

58:30

these other eyeballs. What's

58:32

age the best? What

58:34

he has here all the

58:36

noir Philip K dick elements PKD

58:38

loves a blind drug dealer

58:40

PKD a disgraced plastic surgeon He

58:42

loves a wheelchair bound prison

58:44

supervisor like all of these kind

58:46

of broken damaged people are

58:48

very big factors in his books

58:50

and it was cool to

58:52

see them show up in the

58:54

movie in some way because

58:56

Spielberg is usually a little bit

58:58

more shiny happy the moving

59:00

things thingy like Him moving stuff

59:02

around way better than disclosure.

59:04

Okay, so Disclosure man. Yeah

59:06

That age really well first of all

59:08

like it doesn't an iron man, but

59:10

then like that my Apple Vision Pro,

59:13

which I'm back on Oh, oh, you're

59:15

you bought the dip I'm back on

59:17

the Apple Vision Pro because they upload

59:19

they they updated the NBA app on

59:21

it. Oh fucking fantastic, okay? Fantastic. Back

59:23

on it. But, you know, I'm doing

59:25

that. I'm moving stuff around and I'm

59:27

the whole deal at that age really

59:29

well. I

59:31

had Cruz using his hands to

59:33

read pre -crime stuff. Yeah. But

59:36

added, you know, he studied like Tai

59:38

Chi or some some sort of something

59:40

to learn. He definitely had some sort

59:42

of instructor. He's chasing the dragon for

59:45

how to make the moves. I'm

59:47

just going to read you what I wrote about Agatha. Samantha

59:50

Morton is Agatha is so creepy and

59:52

weird. It's a great performance. And I

59:54

also kind of hate her in this

59:56

movie. But I think it's

59:59

a great performance. But she's a

1:00:01

rough performance, but a rough hang in

1:00:03

this movie. She intentionally it has to

1:00:05

be that way. Well, yeah, I mean,

1:00:07

she kind of jerks you out of

1:00:09

the kinetic energy of the movie a

1:00:11

little bit. And I mean, she's the

1:00:13

victim of the movie. Yeah. And so

1:00:15

she has to like Stop

1:00:17

the momentum of everything that's happening and

1:00:19

like humanize the movie a little

1:00:21

bit And I think you probably I

1:00:23

didn't want that you just wanted

1:00:26

your popcorn It's just it's it's tough.

1:00:28

It's in tough care when we

1:00:30

get to casting what if so it's

1:00:32

an interesting conversation So Danny says

1:00:34

how much time do we have after

1:00:36

Cruz kidnaps Agatha and a pre -crime

1:00:38

officer says 51 minutes 30 seconds Steve

1:00:42

Spielberg, our guy. That's exactly the amount of time until

1:00:44

the end of the movie. Oh, he goes real time.

1:00:46

He says that. I

1:00:48

said people doing normal stuff in their room

1:00:50

or kitchen when somebody suddenly crashes through it.

1:00:53

And then Tom Cruise says the title in

1:00:56

the movie, which you know I love.

1:00:58

I also love adult Spielberg. So this is

1:01:00

a movie with sex, adultery, drug use,

1:01:02

murder, you know, like. It's still

1:01:04

the Spielberg version of it. But it's he's

1:01:06

got it. He's got it. The guy's Howard

1:01:08

Marx's wife in the beginning isn't. Riding anybody

1:01:10

or anything with the woman in the ten

1:01:12

minutes the woman in the apartment building is

1:01:14

right Yes, it's it's I think he has

1:01:17

a complicated relationship with this stuff with what

1:01:19

sex. Yeah, you don't think he likes it.

1:01:21

I think it makes him nervous Sex makes

1:01:23

him nervous. Yeah, you talked to him about

1:01:25

it. I'll bring it up if I What

1:01:29

do you got for Great Shack Orta? I got two.

1:01:31

I love the scene when they

1:01:34

are in the Leo Crow apartment

1:01:36

building lobby and both of their

1:01:38

heads are in the frame. And

1:01:40

they both, you know, they've both like kind

1:01:42

of like, they almost looks like Agatha is

1:01:44

an extension of his consciousness. But the best

1:01:46

shot is definitely the overhead of all the

1:01:48

apartments being invaded by the spiders. Yeah, that

1:01:50

is the best shot of the movie. There's

1:01:52

a shot at the end where the movie

1:01:54

reminds you that you're in Washington, D .C. Vonsito.

1:01:59

Vonsito. Vonsito, I think. It's talking to

1:02:01

Tom and the Washington Monuments in the back

1:02:03

and like, you know where you are.

1:02:05

But then I point out one, like,

1:02:09

this is the kind of stuff that Spielberg does. I'm going to show

1:02:11

this to Chris. See this? That's

1:02:14

the little bit of extra stuff.

1:02:16

So that's the scene that's in

1:02:18

where they're talking. And

1:02:20

Neil McDonough's character, the

1:02:22

camera pans back behind his head

1:02:24

and he like splits them. Yeah,

1:02:26

and visually Spielberg just says these

1:02:28

are two guys on opposite sides

1:02:30

opposite sides and He uses a

1:02:32

character in the movie to break

1:02:34

them apart as they're facing each

1:02:36

other little stuff like that that

1:02:38

Throws you into the film. There's

1:02:40

tons of video essays You can

1:02:42

watch on YouTube that are talk

1:02:44

about this broadly and then specifically

1:02:46

with minority report is basically the

1:02:48

way Spielberg will Do what other

1:02:51

people usually do like multiple camera

1:02:53

setups and editing to shoot a

1:02:55

conversation, right? So, like, if we

1:02:57

were three of us talking, there

1:02:59

would be a camera, camera, camera

1:03:01

on me, and then a master

1:03:03

shot, and he would cut between

1:03:05

those angles. But what Spielberg can

1:03:07

do in this movie is go

1:03:09

into Bill, now I'm

1:03:11

going to pan back towards the La Croix can,

1:03:13

but then I'm going to whip pan over

1:03:15

and Chris is looking at Van and I move

1:03:17

slowly to Van. And it's like, there's four

1:03:19

shots in one shot. We have

1:03:22

to get, like, what are those called? Those

1:03:24

things you put over the cans. A

1:03:26

beer cozy kind of thing? Yeah. We need like

1:03:28

a ringer or somebody should make us a

1:03:30

rewatchable beer cozy. Okay. You know what I I

1:03:32

feel like LaCroix just gets like free advertising

1:03:34

every episode. Let me tell you what I loved.

1:03:37

I do like LaCroix though. This is,

1:03:39

I have to name this.

1:03:41

Yeah. What CR was just

1:03:43

saying was this really brilliantly

1:03:45

technical. I had nothing to

1:03:47

add. It was a great point. It

1:03:53

was great. I had nothing to add. It's

1:03:56

cool. I was just moved on to

1:03:58

the next thing. We call that the Simmons

1:04:00

cell. It's like, he acknowledges that you're

1:04:02

there, but it's not like, oh,

1:04:04

let's get into it. It's fine. I think it's

1:04:06

great. It's hard to

1:04:08

host. Well

1:04:16

because I was listening to you talking

1:04:18

and I felt like I was filming

1:04:20

a liqori commercial and then I got

1:04:22

so conscious about it. was enthralled. I

1:04:24

was enthralled too. Oh

1:04:27

god. Kid Cuddy pursued happiness award, best needle

1:04:30

trap. Is Moon River in this Moon River?

1:04:32

I didn't hear one fucking song. had that

1:04:34

theme song from cops. It is Chris or

1:04:36

at least I heard that as well. Yeah.

1:04:38

When he's walking through the mall it's playing,

1:04:40

right? That's right. That's right. Biccahuna

1:04:42

burger were best use of food and drink. Blind

1:04:44

crews eating a bad sandwich and eating gross milk.

1:04:46

Fucking disgusting. Why is that stuff in there with

1:04:48

like a nice healthy sandwich? Because they're fucking with

1:04:51

him, right? I always thought that they were fucking

1:04:53

with him. I think they were fucking with him.

1:04:55

Yeah, it's also like the idea that like he's

1:04:57

not the first guy to be in this apartment

1:04:59

blind waiting for his timer to go off. So

1:05:01

it's like somebody else is in there. The

1:05:03

Chess Rockwell and Brock Landers award

1:05:06

for best character name. Lamar Burgess.

1:05:08

Pretty good. I have Agatha Dash

1:05:10

and Arthur. think he's

1:05:12

13th down. Todd McShay's draft. Lamar Burgess.

1:05:14

Yeah. What was the senior year

1:05:16

as a receiver? Yeah. Okay. What?

1:05:19

I was asking what position he

1:05:21

plays. Lamar Burgess. How many weight Lamar

1:05:23

Burgess's would you think would be

1:05:25

in the NFL draft? That's true. Nose

1:05:27

tackle? Yeah. Oh, big D tackle

1:05:29

from Mike Selma. Like, he used to

1:05:31

weigh 360, but now he's 325.

1:05:33

He's in the best shape of his

1:05:36

Lamar Burgess. Let me tell

1:05:38

you who I really love, that nobody's talking about.

1:05:40

Troy's Lamar Burgess. This kid's a fucking

1:05:42

animal. Yeah. Let's

1:05:45

take a break, and then we're going to come

1:05:47

back with CR's flex categories. We have some healing

1:05:49

to do after CR said, I had no soul.

1:05:51

This is a great point before I sage -stealed them.

1:05:56

Alright, so yeah, what do you

1:05:59

got flex category? I got Teddy

1:06:01

KGB award for actor doing his

1:06:03

own thing for Peter storm are

1:06:05

the black surgeon our guy, you

1:06:07

know that is from Fargo from

1:06:09

Where else? Oh,

1:06:11

eight millimeter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:06:14

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:06:16

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:06:18

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

1:06:38

Every single movie that he is he's

1:06:40

in better. You always notice him, but

1:06:42

it's never like a huge role. Yeah,

1:06:44

it's just so fascinating because he gives

1:06:46

Tom Cruise anesthetic Like as soon as

1:06:48

he walks in he basically knocks him

1:06:50

out and then he just like dances

1:06:52

around Tom Cruise and choose scenery for

1:06:54

five minutes Like does anybody ever done

1:06:56

this to Tom Cruise before where Tom

1:06:58

Cruise has got to be like oh

1:07:00

He's in a scene with Joaquin Phoenix

1:07:02

and Nick Cage just blowing them up I

1:07:07

love that guy. Butch's girlfriend,

1:07:09

weak link of the film. I

1:07:12

don't. I don't

1:07:14

really have one. Do you like Lara? I

1:07:16

thought Lara was going to be

1:07:18

the Lara or the Tom Cruise wave.

1:07:21

Category shouldn't always be like the woman

1:07:23

woman. Yeah, it's just the Lara character

1:07:25

is not that dynamic. And then I

1:07:27

guess for me, probably the weakest piece

1:07:29

of the movie is is Max just

1:07:31

fucking up and saying the girl

1:07:33

drowned. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:07:35

And. Like he's this

1:07:37

guy is so smart. He's fucking

1:07:40

replacing pre -crime memories and he's

1:07:42

just seven steps ahead everybody.

1:07:44

Recreating murders. then all of a sudden

1:07:46

he's just like, yeah, they're drown girls. Like, what do

1:07:48

you mean? I never said she drowned. It just feels like

1:07:50

a doesn't make any sense. That's probably my butchess girlfriend. What's

1:07:53

age the worst? No

1:07:55

cell phones. Cruise

1:07:59

jumping cars on the fake highway

1:08:01

is the only part of this movie

1:08:03

that doesn't look CGI that I

1:08:05

think if they do it in 25

1:08:07

They just have better technology. Yeah

1:08:09

Futuristic misses those thin glass data slides

1:08:11

you mentioned earlier the physical media. I

1:08:14

Don't know feels like easy to shatter

1:08:16

easy to break It's a very should they

1:08:18

have covers like I actually will be

1:08:20

on the cloud man Yeah, it's the best

1:08:22

part of the movie and it's why

1:08:24

people are like I don't really want to

1:08:26

make movies about Cloud and iPhones, right?

1:08:28

Because it's just like I want to have

1:08:30

the thing that we have to run.

1:08:32

Now we would just set the club. Yeah.

1:08:35

Um, there's a stretch here with the

1:08:37

long stretch with Dr. Iris right

1:08:39

into the crazy eye doctor where nothing's

1:08:41

happening for about 25 minutes and

1:08:43

is such an adrenaline rush before they

1:08:45

bring you back down. It's

1:08:48

a little long. It's definitely like

1:08:50

he's going to go get popcorn. He's

1:08:52

going down the hole there. When

1:08:54

he gets into her. And the fucking

1:08:56

plants come alive and all that

1:08:58

stuff. The plants coming alive. Just it

1:09:00

seems like a different movie to

1:09:02

me. I think on purpose, so I

1:09:04

think it's supposed to be like

1:09:06

you he's now passed into the realm

1:09:08

of like fantasy and yeah, exactly. Fox

1:09:11

did a remake series in 2015

1:09:13

that I forgot about. Mm -hmm. Didn't

1:09:15

last. Dr.

1:09:17

Iris says the precogs abilities

1:09:19

are the result of

1:09:22

brain damage. Caused

1:09:24

by parents being addicted to neurone

1:09:26

during pregnancy. Mm -hmm Don't do

1:09:28

neurone when you're pregnant So what's

1:09:30

age the worst for me? I

1:09:32

care about your kids. Even though

1:09:35

the run is not an actual

1:09:37

drug What do you got for

1:09:39

what's age the worst? I didn't

1:09:41

I just I just can't handle

1:09:43

I stuff from Clockwork or orange

1:09:45

on and when they sorry fucking

1:09:48

my number one yeah eating gross

1:09:50

shit I just can't when he

1:09:52

eats every time he eats the

1:09:54

shit and he drinks it can't

1:09:56

media thing and literally the the

1:09:58

the CGI when they're jumping around.

1:10:01

That's like Star Wars prequel level. This

1:10:03

is fake. Yeah, type of shit.

1:10:05

Yeah. And that's unfortunately, O2 is

1:10:08

right around. We had

1:10:10

some stuff figured out, but others I

1:10:12

mean, they're able to do the matrix.

1:10:14

So like it's pretty good. It looked

1:10:16

as it looked better than it had

1:10:18

ever looked up to that point. But the

1:10:20

jump between now and then like. 2008

1:10:22

when Iron Man comes out fucking sinners

1:10:24

like Michael B Jordan just playing two parts

1:10:26

next to each other for Two and

1:10:28

a half hours. Yeah, the Ruffalo Hannah

1:10:30

ribbed neck partridge over acting word. I know

1:10:33

that's an easy one. What do you

1:10:35

got exactly? I mean not

1:10:37

over. I mean just it's a turn it

1:10:39

up to fucking 14 I don't I

1:10:41

don't mind as much as you do but

1:10:43

like screaming yelling. a borderline you could

1:10:45

throw in the category. Oh

1:10:47

Yeah When

1:10:50

he's about to

1:10:53

kill Mike binder and

1:10:55

they do a

1:10:57

couple ISO shots of

1:10:59

her just screaming

1:11:01

their fucking head off.

1:11:04

It's like, okay,

1:11:06

let's take let's cut

1:11:08

one back Then

1:11:10

what do you have

1:11:12

for a flex

1:11:15

category best dick ever

1:11:17

okay, so Mine

1:11:19

is always a list, and I

1:11:21

want CR, our

1:11:23

resident dickhead here,

1:11:26

to what are

1:11:28

the best Philip

1:11:30

K. Dick movie

1:11:32

adaptations. So I got Minority

1:11:34

Report. I thought that was going to be the

1:11:36

AVN award for a second. Minority

1:11:40

Report, Total Recall,

1:11:43

Scanner Darkly. Blade Runner and then I

1:11:45

put the adjustment bureau on there because

1:11:47

I love that movie. Am I leaving

1:11:49

anything off? I don't

1:11:51

think so. There have been some

1:11:53

like animated series and series where

1:11:55

it's like riffing on themes from

1:11:57

his his works, but I think

1:11:59

those were the big ones I

1:12:01

would put Blade Runner Runner number

1:12:03

one. Blade Runner number two. So

1:12:05

give me a ranking. I would

1:12:08

go Blade Runner total recall my

1:12:10

Probably Blade Runner Minority Report total

1:12:12

recall And, and then, you

1:12:14

know, Scanner Darkly in some ways

1:12:16

is the most Philip K. Dick thing.

1:12:19

Are you an adjustment bureau guy? I'm not.

1:12:21

You're not. Are you an adjustment bureau

1:12:23

guy? No. Interesting. No, sir. I

1:12:26

think I agree with Sierra's list, but I think

1:12:28

Total Recall is also the one. If I could,

1:12:31

if I was trapped on a desert island. That's

1:12:33

what you'd watch. I'd probably take that

1:12:35

one. Yeah. To me, that's the best one. Because

1:12:37

you get the three boob lady. Yeah. You get the

1:12:39

Total Recall. I mean, yeah, that's the best. Oh,

1:12:41

no, actually, you know what? It's not

1:12:43

the best one yet. It's just

1:12:45

it's the most entertaining rewatchable of all

1:12:47

the Blade Runner is the best

1:12:49

one Blade Runner is the best one.

1:12:51

Yeah, it's like how raging bull

1:12:54

is awesome, but you wouldn't want to

1:12:56

watch yeah, you'd rather watch like

1:12:58

rocky or something, but yeah Do you

1:13:00

know that in like 2006? Somebody

1:13:03

made a Jake Lamotta movie Because

1:13:06

it was on cable. Are you serious? Yeah,

1:13:08

and it was like Jake Lamada, and it

1:13:10

was like something I forget who the actor

1:13:12

was. It was like, can you imagine being

1:13:14

like, you know what, we might be, there

1:13:16

might be time to re -explore Jake Lamada.

1:13:18

The balls on that, the balls on that

1:13:20

fucking guy. Hey, the

1:13:23

CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison

1:13:25

Ford. How does take a word? Ben,

1:13:27

do you have one? I do not. I have one. I'll

1:13:29

do one for you. Precogs.

1:13:32

The greatest professional sports gambling weapon

1:13:34

ever created a movie hands down.

1:13:36

Yeah, there's a whole subplot movie

1:13:38

with Precogs like just basically making

1:13:41

all these money for gamblers and

1:13:43

then being on the run if

1:13:45

you're John Anderton just make the

1:13:47

run to Vegas with Agatha. Why

1:13:49

can't we're close? Yeah, we're got

1:13:51

it the guy has access to

1:13:54

the Precogs and look the villain

1:13:56

here is a villain kill someone

1:13:58

but he also kind of I

1:14:01

mean, he's kind of got some

1:14:03

points, right? He tries to stop

1:14:05

murder. I wouldn't have tried to

1:14:07

stop murder if I had the

1:14:09

precogs. Right, use them financially. We

1:14:11

running it up. Yeah. We playing

1:14:13

the market. We doing all kinds

1:14:15

of stuff. We running

1:14:17

it up. He did something for the public

1:14:19

good. It's true. In a bad way. Precog

1:14:22

has Oilers game two. Goal

1:14:24

and a half. Put Agatha

1:14:26

plus 150. Put a nice visor

1:14:28

her. I love taking the idea of

1:14:30

like this person is telepathic. Yeah.

1:14:33

Conor McDavid, two goals. All

1:14:37

right.

1:14:39

Do you a heart? How does take it? Yeah.

1:14:42

So this one is from the perspective of

1:14:44

Howard Marks. Let's say you're Howard, right?

1:14:46

Yeah. Aren't you like. Why don't

1:14:48

we just stop my wife from cheating? Why

1:14:50

don't we like why don't like if

1:14:52

we if you can see the whole crime

1:14:54

Wouldn't it be better if Anderton came

1:14:56

by and was just like don't cheat on

1:14:58

Howard. He's gonna flip out if you

1:15:00

do that Yeah, or just like why is

1:15:03

the pre -cog only paying attention to the

1:15:05

end result like murder and not the

1:15:07

pre triggering event Right because if you're Howard,

1:15:09

you're like I never would have considered

1:15:11

killing my wife unless she cheated on me

1:15:13

So if you could just go back

1:15:15

in time, couldn't somebody be like, hey, we

1:15:17

got to yank this guy who's like

1:15:19

gonna, gonna cheat on. So the pre -collect

1:15:21

really kind of fucks overpowered a little bit.

1:15:23

Well, I mean, I understand that the

1:15:25

ultimate crime is murder, right? Like the people

1:15:27

are going to cheat on each other.

1:15:29

People are going to have feelings for one

1:15:31

another. But it is kind of like,

1:15:33

for that kind of crime of passion, it

1:15:35

seems like If she hasn't cheated, he's

1:15:37

like, oh, I thought maybe we could go

1:15:39

to lunch together today. So you don't

1:15:41

stop Rich Paul from saying that Chris Bosch

1:15:43

wasn't really a big three. You go

1:15:45

back further. Yes. And stop LeBron James

1:15:47

from hiring. That's

1:15:50

your move. Then we

1:15:52

don't have the Chris Bosch anyway. But

1:15:54

yeah, okay, I got you. Casting

1:15:56

What Ifs. This was

1:15:58

optioned in 1992 as a sequel

1:16:00

to Total Recall with Schwarzenegger. And

1:16:03

Carole Co Productions, which we've talked,

1:16:05

Carole Pictures, which we've talked about on

1:16:07

a couple of Kyle Brandt rewatchables. Fought

1:16:10

for bankruptcy. And

1:16:12

there's a documentary about this whole thing.

1:16:14

So it got worked into a different

1:16:16

thing. Jan Dubont came in 97.

1:16:20

And then, and that didn't

1:16:22

work out. And then the biggest casting motive

1:16:24

for this was Spielberg comes on, offers

1:16:27

the role, the Colin Farrell

1:16:29

role to Matt Damon. offers

1:16:31

Dr. Iris Tabarno Street, offers

1:16:35

Lamar Burgess, 320 pound

1:16:37

nose tackle, to

1:16:39

Ian McKellen, offers Agatha

1:16:41

to Cape Blanchette, and

1:16:43

offers Lara to Jenna Elfman, and

1:16:47

Streep to Klein, Stamins to an

1:16:49

Ocean's 11, everybody else

1:16:51

through. McKellen's in the two towers, yeah. Javier

1:16:54

Bardem, then offered the

1:16:56

Witwer roll, the column fire roll, he can't do it

1:16:58

either. Do you see why he turned it down? No.

1:17:00

He said he didn't feel like chasing Tom Cruise around

1:17:02

for an entire movie. That's funny. Wow.

1:17:04

Yeah. And now he's going to

1:17:06

be chasing Brad Pitt around in F1.

1:17:08

Yeah. Saw that trailer yesterday.

1:17:10

Yeah. I'm in. You're way up on

1:17:12

it. I'm in. It stays of thunder with

1:17:14

F1 cars I'm in. I

1:17:16

can't tell what it's really about. I'm

1:17:19

still going to go. It's about an older

1:17:21

racer and a younger racer. It just, it

1:17:23

looks cool. They've never tried that. It looks

1:17:25

cool, but I still haven't seen the thing

1:17:27

that makes me go, oh, Jesus Christ, I

1:17:29

got to see F1. That's that guy I

1:17:31

word. Obviously, it's going to be Dino Velvet

1:17:33

from 8mm unless you think Peter Stormor is

1:17:35

his own guy. he's Peter Stormor. I think

1:17:37

he's knowledge of his own guys in the

1:17:39

Deon category. I had Patrick kill Patrick, who

1:17:41

is the guy standing next to Sean McDonough

1:17:43

or Steve Harris, but I don't know if

1:17:45

Steve Harris. Maybe in movies.

1:17:47

Yeah. movies he might be. Yeah. I had

1:17:49

Steve Harris. You know what I have? Aery

1:17:51

Gross is Aery Gross. But I think he's

1:17:53

Aery Gross to me. He's to me. Perfect

1:17:55

Strangers. Perfect Strangers star of one of my

1:17:57

favorite movies. The experts. Oh

1:18:00

John Travolta Kelly Preston fake

1:18:02

John Travolta Kelly Preston Like I'm

1:18:05

telling you guys go watch

1:18:07

the experts the fake town in

1:18:09

Russia that doesn't I don't

1:18:11

mind in Russia. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

1:18:13

I vote for Steve care

1:18:15

Harris. He's the black eye works

1:18:17

for Cruz for John Wood

1:18:19

Harris his brother Really? Yeah Why

1:18:21

wasn't he in the wire?

1:18:23

That's what? He couldn't have

1:18:26

been like I don't know that

1:18:28

there's a he couldn't have been

1:18:30

like like Don Barksdale like his

1:18:32

brother that comes in Don Barksdale,

1:18:34

that's William's brother. Yeah, yeah waiters.

1:18:36

We have We have our guy

1:18:38

Peter storm. Yes. Yes. We do

1:18:40

easel zappa. Yeah, Tim Blake Nelson

1:18:42

Dr. Iris I would say Lois

1:18:44

McDonough Dr. Iris and and also

1:18:46

Tim Blake Nelson as Gideon the

1:18:48

century. Yeah, I would go dweezel Oh,

1:18:51

I'm doing a lot in four minutes. I'm going

1:18:53

stormer. Yeah, it's easy one right there. Yeah. Oh,

1:18:55

yeah. Stormer. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Recast in

1:18:57

couch director city. What do you got? I

1:19:00

think I think DC is a cool

1:19:02

place to put this. I think it's like

1:19:04

Boston. It's consistent. Yeah, we're Southie. Minority

1:19:07

report in Southeast. I'm so

1:19:09

cool. I wanted this. I'm not gonna let

1:19:11

you slide. Don't do that. I'm not gonna bring

1:19:13

it up. I like it in DC. It

1:19:15

feels like all the presidents, man. In New Orleans?

1:19:17

If the movie's called Minority Report and it's

1:19:19

in Boston, it would be a different movie. New

1:19:21

Orleans? New Orleans would be good. Philly,

1:19:24

you could do it in Philly. Run by

1:19:26

Liberty Bell, you know. Is

1:19:28

this a Miami movie? Oh.

1:19:31

Think you need a dense it's it's

1:19:33

to mine is too happy like

1:19:35

the idea of like an old city

1:19:37

that has been redone in the

1:19:40

futuristic I think the idea other place.

1:19:42

I was thinking was London Chicago,

1:19:44

but London's the obvious place to do

1:19:46

it. That's not in America. Yeah

1:19:48

um recasting for me Can we test

1:19:50

drive jade a pink it as

1:19:52

Agatha? Can you

1:19:54

give that a whirl keep one chat is

1:19:56

like so incredible shower with me and Chet's

1:19:58

like I don't know she's Like one

1:20:00

of the best actresses the last 25 years.

1:20:02

in 02, she was like still making it

1:20:05

up. Coming up. So after

1:20:07

what happened with. You

1:20:09

know, it's also really good. I get

1:20:11

I get it. I'm just like Jada Pinko

1:20:13

because she I like when she has

1:20:16

a shaved head anyway. So I don't say

1:20:18

you're going to get Chris fucked over

1:20:20

30 years before different Oscars. Yeah, we're rewriting

1:20:22

history makes the joke. It's like, yeah. Portman's

1:20:26

probably too young at that point. She's

1:20:29

in her 20s. I mean, she's she's as

1:20:31

she's in Star Wars at that point where

1:20:33

she's like she's she's like a late 20s.

1:20:35

Can I uneasily test drive a casting suggestion

1:20:38

for this to change the flavor of the

1:20:40

movie a tiny bit? What about Halle Berry?

1:20:44

Huh. In the pre -cog. I think

1:20:46

she's too. She's probably too on at this

1:20:48

point. I would I would

1:20:50

go for Halle Berry as Lara as

1:20:52

the as the ex -wife. That'd be cool. Future

1:20:56

have faster research camera Diaz camera

1:20:58

crow and Paul Thomas Anderson are on

1:21:00

the subway uncredited In the Philip

1:21:02

Dick novel John Anerton is a

1:21:04

balding out of shape old man. Yeah

1:21:06

He also at the end of

1:21:09

I think it will believe at the

1:21:11

end of the novel him and

1:21:13

Larry get like basically kicked off

1:21:15

of earth. Yeah kicked off of earth.

1:21:17

It's not a happy ending What

1:21:20

did what did where did he

1:21:22

go? It's like you're basically being

1:21:24

transported to like another planet like

1:21:26

as a punishment and Whit were

1:21:28

Is like takes over essentially in

1:21:30

the book the pre cogs are

1:21:33

intellectually disabled and deformed individuals they

1:21:35

decided that doesn't sound fun Spielberg

1:21:37

said he wanted to give the

1:21:39

movie a noir feel and threw

1:21:41

himself a film festival that included

1:21:43

asphalt jungle Key Largo Maltese Falcon

1:21:46

and they decided to deliberately over

1:21:48

light the film and

1:21:50

then Bleach bypassed the negative

1:21:52

with our guy, Yanush. The

1:21:55

car factory scene is

1:21:57

based on a never -shot

1:21:59

sequence in North by Northwest

1:22:01

that Hitchcock told Francois

1:22:03

Truffaut about. So like he

1:22:05

took like the inspiration for that. I mean,

1:22:07

he's just in, he's just fucking, he

1:22:09

is hearing Jimmy in this movie. See,

1:22:11

you know my Yanush connection? I do not.

1:22:14

So my daughter is in like, oh,

1:22:17

Chris knows this, elementary school. And

1:22:19

he's one of the other dads in

1:22:21

my daughter's class. In one

1:22:23

year, it was like second or third grade, he

1:22:25

took all the pictures at like the end

1:22:27

of the year thing. And it was Janusz Kaminski,

1:22:30

multiple Oscar winner cinematography.

1:22:33

So, you know, normally you have these

1:22:35

things and it's just like a bunch of like

1:22:37

people taking iPhones and it's a photo album.

1:22:39

And this is like fucking the greatest photo album.

1:22:42

Just pictures of like seven

1:22:44

year old little girls. blowing

1:22:47

bubbles in the air. Yeah, it's like, just

1:22:49

fucking amazing. Anyway, uh, similar as

1:22:51

to the fugitive. Hmm.

1:22:55

Richard Kimball, John Anerton, frame

1:22:57

for crimes. They

1:22:59

didn't commit. Both

1:23:02

recognized on the subway

1:23:04

by another passenger. Both

1:23:06

consulted a colleague to unravel

1:23:08

a clue. Both

1:23:10

pursued by a police officer and navigate

1:23:12

through a crowded public place to

1:23:15

try to. Lose them Kimble

1:23:17

dies his hair Anerton as his

1:23:19

eyes replaced Discovered they were set

1:23:21

up by a colleague that they

1:23:23

had been talking about the whole

1:23:25

time and trusted and then blow

1:23:27

them up during a ceremony Celebrating

1:23:29

that colleague. Hmm. You got neuron

1:23:32

in you got provasic. What are

1:23:34

they taking in the fugitive? What's

1:23:36

the what's the drug that they're

1:23:38

basic? Yeah You'll have to

1:23:40

excuse my friend. Dr.

1:23:43

Richard Kimball, he's been

1:23:45

sick. Is there a scene

1:23:47

in this one that's

1:23:49

parallel or something like

1:23:51

the jumping off of the

1:23:54

the jumping into the

1:23:56

dam scene? Probably

1:23:59

the fight jetpack the jetpack

1:24:01

jumping where he just goes. Yeah,

1:24:03

that's another similarity Whatever you

1:24:05

do, you're not gonna catch me.

1:24:07

I'm willing to jump off

1:24:09

of the thing or do whatever.

1:24:11

Yeah This is a borderline

1:24:13

Sean fantasy criteria orgasm criteria an

1:24:15

orgasm word whatever we call

1:24:17

that one but criteria orgasm criteria

1:24:19

orgasm Cruz confronts Max at

1:24:21

the end. He's wearing a dark

1:24:23

hood And it

1:24:25

mirrors the opening of a 1957

1:24:27

movie called The Seventh Seal.

1:24:29

Yes. Oh, yeah. So

1:24:31

there you go. Apex

1:24:34

Mountain. I got one for you. What

1:24:37

do you got? You've ever heard of

1:24:39

the made -up genre called Nokia Wave or

1:24:41

Nokia Wave, depending on how you pronounce the

1:24:43

Swedish phone company? You know about this? I

1:24:46

don't. So it's basically an idea

1:24:49

slash subgenre that was coined by

1:24:51

a critic named David Rudnick. Loosely

1:24:54

spans from GoldenEye Through the Bourne

1:24:56

movies so like 95 to like

1:24:58

early 2000s and it's all about

1:25:00

like it's like enemy of the

1:25:02

state It's like matrix. It's stuff

1:25:04

where it's like the technology is

1:25:06

futuristic, but it's still tactile So

1:25:09

you were talking about like the

1:25:11

little floppy disks, but yeah, basically

1:25:13

clear discs people are still wearing

1:25:15

ear buds, you know Yeah, the

1:25:17

phones are like almost there, but

1:25:19

they're not super in the future

1:25:21

and everything is about paranoia and

1:25:23

an estate surveilling you. And

1:25:25

basically this is like, it's

1:25:27

this Ronin spy game, Mission

1:25:30

Impossible, a bunch of these, but

1:25:32

minority importance, Apex Mountain for no key a

1:25:34

wave. Do you think they would make me watch

1:25:36

my twosies? No,

1:25:38

that was great. That's

1:25:42

a great point. We did it on purpose that time. That

1:25:44

was great. No, you're

1:25:46

right. This was a four

1:25:48

-year run of growth. Inferior

1:25:51

technology being presented as

1:25:53

awesome technology. Yes, where it's

1:25:55

like we can't get

1:25:57

find Jason Bourne because like

1:25:59

the internet is busy

1:26:01

like the modem is not

1:26:03

working almost like Contemporary

1:26:05

steampunk. Yeah, like to where

1:26:07

it's you know, I

1:26:09

mean really good. Yeah Cruz.

1:26:11

No Spielberg. No Cruz

1:26:13

Spielberg collapse Yeah,

1:26:15

because this is it. Yeah, the

1:26:17

world world world. No, this is better

1:26:19

than I love world the world.

1:26:21

So I think it's a real I

1:26:23

think workers throwing them throwing as

1:26:25

easy Yankees fan in that movie throwing

1:26:27

the baseball at his son's face. Um,

1:26:30

he just has to come and come

1:26:32

out and say I had a torn

1:26:34

rotator cuff, but I got it through

1:26:36

it. Um, because I threw the baseball

1:26:38

for seven straight months before filming because

1:26:40

I want to get it right Spielbergian

1:26:42

shattered my Spillbergian techno noir like between

1:26:44

this and AI. Oh

1:26:46

That's good. Yeah, I like this

1:26:48

movie so much more than AI

1:26:51

and I really didn't feel like

1:26:53

AI worked Not lot of AI

1:26:55

conversations lately. Although I guess the

1:26:57

title is important movie though. Yeah,

1:26:59

I get it How about evil

1:27:01

max characters because this wasn't the

1:27:03

most evil? Sierra knows what the

1:27:05

most evil strange brew. No He

1:27:07

was he was the the good

1:27:09

Nazi in victory. Oh, right. Yeah

1:27:11

The Nazis were all evil and

1:27:13

victory But Paley's bicycle cake was

1:27:15

so good. He stood up and

1:27:17

applauded it. Yeah, but you know

1:27:20

what you're still fucking Nazi. Yeah,

1:27:22

sorry to sorry buddy Samantha Morton

1:27:24

apex mountain. It's her time more

1:27:26

of a coward. Yeah, I actually

1:27:28

think Dorchester's

1:27:30

Neil McDonough. No way. No,

1:27:33

hell no. No, his apex mountains

1:27:35

of 25 year apex mountain.

1:27:37

He got deep back He got

1:27:39

deep back you got deep

1:27:41

bag of recognizable characters. Yeah when

1:27:43

they First year Yellowstone, I'm

1:27:46

like Niels could be in this

1:27:48

and in second year. He

1:27:50

is he's in there. Yeah Precogs

1:27:52

definitely Washington DC movies. No

1:27:54

Precaro pre -crime departments. I don't

1:27:56

remember seeing this in another movie

1:28:01

Predictive crime. Yeah. Yeah, I think

1:28:03

so Phil Dick movies. We

1:28:05

just said we just said no.

1:28:07

Yeah, all right Cruiser Hank

1:28:09

Scorsese or Spielberg. This is the

1:28:11

first time this has ever

1:28:13

happened. It's a double. Wow. Yeah

1:28:15

What role would Philip Seymour

1:28:17

Hoffman have played? No,

1:28:19

I Have him in the Colin feral role.

1:28:22

It's an interesting idea of him playing

1:28:24

Whitworth because it's a little bit more of

1:28:26

a little less hot a little less

1:28:28

like The fight scene suffers probably. The fight

1:28:30

scene suffers maybe the running and all

1:28:32

of that kind of he wasn't known for

1:28:34

but like he also was kind of

1:28:36

Sneaky athletic and people don't talk about it.

1:28:38

Like he was a good ball player

1:28:40

and all of that stuff Yeah, he never

1:28:42

really gotten to that bag on screen.

1:28:44

I guess that much Yeah, he could have

1:28:46

been the eye doctor Oh,

1:28:48

sure. Yeah, he could have been an eye doctor.

1:28:50

He could have been Gideon. He could have been... But

1:28:52

I think he's the Duizel Zappa if we're doing

1:28:54

this together. He just comes in hot for five minutes.

1:28:56

But in 2002? Yeah, he's just like doing a

1:28:58

favor for Cruz, their buddies. Craig's

1:29:01

choice, flex category. What do you got, Craig? Well,

1:29:04

I kind of want to do a hottest take,

1:29:06

which is just that Lamar was super right

1:29:08

and that we should get the precogs back in

1:29:10

the milk and that even if it's like a

1:29:12

98 % hit rate, what are we doing here? See?

1:29:17

This is the problem with his generation.

1:29:19

See I'm telling you this is like

1:29:21

I want to take Waymo a world

1:29:23

without murder even if innocent people are

1:29:25

going to jail. Spoiler alert. Innocent people

1:29:27

go to jail all the time. He

1:29:30

means it. This is the

1:29:33

problem. This is intellectual.

1:29:35

What's our hit right now? Like 60 %? I

1:29:37

can tell you I can get 98%. Guys

1:29:39

are clear. I'm just running the numbers here.

1:29:41

This still looks like a pretty good move

1:29:43

to me. Okay. This would

1:29:46

be an unbelievable first take segment. Think about

1:29:48

what you think about, Craig. We have to

1:29:50

get the precogs back in the water in

1:29:52

the milk. An

1:29:54

ethically utilitarian generation. I'm

1:29:57

telling you. Craig,

1:29:59

I really enjoyed the take. Picking Nits. Swapping

1:30:05

eyeballs. Let's really talk about this.

1:30:07

I know the technology is going

1:30:09

to be better in 2054 than

1:30:11

it is now. I

1:30:13

don't know what century we're just going to be

1:30:15

able to swap eyeballs. We're the guys out

1:30:17

there in an action scene three weeks later. Come

1:30:19

on. Yeah. Like, come on. I

1:30:21

mean, yeah. Me too. Like, kidneys,

1:30:23

I get it. But

1:30:26

that one is a... That one's

1:30:28

a little crazy. Cruise

1:30:31

just stumbles into the exact

1:30:33

drowning of Ann Lively in

1:30:35

about 20 seconds. From

1:30:37

the pre -cog thing. I think it's

1:30:39

the idea that the three cogs

1:30:41

are echoing that like they're trying to

1:30:43

send a signal She keeps saying

1:30:45

I know she says she says to

1:30:47

him you can see she wants

1:30:49

him to see and then Lamar accidentally

1:30:51

saying the girl drowned I'll add

1:30:53

on to the Lamar pile on I

1:30:55

don't really feel like Lamar shooting

1:30:57

himself in the heart is like Commensurate

1:30:59

to the rest of the films

1:31:01

like imagination. So when like it's just

1:31:03

the two of them together and

1:31:05

he's like Yeah, like

1:31:07

come on you guys had to jetpack

1:31:09

fight an hour ago. I have

1:31:11

to yeah Who's in charge of updating

1:31:14

the retina files? What do

1:31:16

you mean? So Tom

1:31:18

Cruise is character

1:31:20

John Enderton is now

1:31:22

a fugitive and

1:31:24

on the run and

1:31:26

an outlaw but

1:31:28

his retinal Still

1:31:30

gets you into the police station. Oh, who's

1:31:32

like why didn't they turn off his security?

1:31:34

Like you leave a place like you fire

1:31:36

you get fired from a place They discontinue

1:31:38

your badge like right away. Yeah, yeah, but

1:31:40

all the way to the end of the

1:31:43

move He can still get into the his

1:31:45

wife's department is able to get in using

1:31:47

his retinal file like he's Who's up who's

1:31:49

in charge? That's the fucking one of the

1:31:51

best picking it's I've heard a long time

1:31:53

who's in charge of updating the retina files.

1:31:55

It should not still be giving you access.

1:31:57

Yeah. Cut your car off right away. You

1:31:59

can't get back in. This is two thousand

1:32:01

two thousand twenty five. We would know this

1:32:04

two thousand two. They didn't think of it.

1:32:06

I'm just saying like they get you out

1:32:08

of it. And then the other one is

1:32:10

retina files. The other one is this. So

1:32:12

in the crime with the

1:32:14

the precog. The Anne Wiley

1:32:16

the crime. Right. They

1:32:19

come and get her murderer. And

1:32:21

then they just leave her there. for

1:32:23

her to be killed. So they don't

1:32:25

need her to come to the station and

1:32:27

give a statement. Okay. Right.

1:32:30

I think the idea is that it's all

1:32:32

staged, right? But I know what you

1:32:34

mean where the cops are like, you're good. See

1:32:36

you later. Yeah. The cops come get the guy

1:32:38

and then that allows Burgess to then kill her

1:32:40

while the cops are going. There's not a cop

1:32:42

that goes, hey, I know this was traumatic for

1:32:45

you. They literally just leave her standing by the

1:32:47

lake for him to come kill her. Well, in

1:32:49

Craig's America, that's just how the cops are. Keep

1:32:52

the pre -coxing milk. I'm

1:32:55

Craig Holbeck, and that's my

1:32:57

2054 stance. Wait,

1:33:00

I have a picking knit. Yeah. You'll

1:33:03

have to talk me through this, because

1:33:05

maybe I'm not thinking about this right.

1:33:07

But the whole John Anderton murder, the

1:33:09

whole plot seems like a catch -22

1:33:11

to me, because Anderton would not have

1:33:13

known about the Leo Crow thing unless

1:33:15

Agatha told him or, you know, saw

1:33:18

it. But Agatha would have never seen

1:33:20

it. unless he

1:33:22

was already destined to do it, which he couldn't

1:33:24

have been because she's the reason why he was destined

1:33:26

to do it. Craig, welcome to the world of

1:33:28

dick, man. This is what it's all about. It's

1:33:30

a chicken or the egg. But that's the paradox. Would you

1:33:32

just say? It's the whole idea, welcome to the world of

1:33:34

dick. You know, it's like all

1:33:36

of this. It's like basically the whole

1:33:38

idea. dick, Craig. Yeah. I just

1:33:40

got dicked. When he's

1:33:43

like... Colin Farrell's

1:33:45

character is just like, if we, it's

1:33:47

like, here's the paradox is like, if you

1:33:49

know the ball is going to drop, you catch

1:33:51

it, whatever that whole idea. The opening example

1:33:53

in the film makes sense. It's like this guy's

1:33:56

theoretically going to kill his wife, but he

1:33:58

still has a choice. But the Anderton thing doesn't

1:34:00

make sense because he literally would have never

1:34:02

known about it had Agatha not told him. But

1:34:04

that's the whole thing is she's trying to

1:34:06

knock down the dominoes that will eventually lead to

1:34:08

like her mother's murder being solved. It's

1:34:11

like Craig, it's like if Sacramento

1:34:13

just takes Luca Donchich number

1:34:15

two. Then we don't

1:34:18

Then Nico Harrison is just having a great

1:34:20

year. Nico Harrison is just the boys

1:34:22

with everybody and the Lakers are dying. I

1:34:25

would say, Craig, this was a

1:34:27

source story written under a tremendous

1:34:29

influence of drugs. Sure. Yeah. Sequel,

1:34:31

prequel, Prestige TV all black cast

1:34:34

are untouchable. Prestige TV

1:34:36

probably should have worked with us. It feels like

1:34:38

a show Apple would have made. Like...

1:34:40

think would just be more heady

1:34:42

and less like fun and chase oriented.

1:34:44

Probably less toys because they wouldn't

1:34:47

have the budget. Although if they gave

1:34:49

prestige, the prestige like

1:34:51

morning show treatment money to this Apple,

1:34:53

20 million in episode. Yeah, it

1:34:55

would just be like an advertisement for

1:34:57

everything Apple is going to do

1:34:59

in 10 years. Right. He's walking through

1:35:01

the mall and it's just like

1:35:03

iPad. Yeah. I guess the question

1:35:05

is like, when you do the

1:35:07

prestige on this, do you do it

1:35:09

one season limited that kind of stretches out

1:35:11

Anderton's story, or do you

1:35:14

leave pre -crime around and do something based

1:35:16

on that for like multiple seasons? Or

1:35:18

would you do a prequel and it's like

1:35:20

the first guy who gets caught by

1:35:22

pre -cogs? Because that guy probably was pretty

1:35:24

salty. Or you do all the minority reports.

1:35:26

What about law and order pre -crime? Oh,

1:35:28

shit. Just like the cheap version of

1:35:30

this. Yeah. Just every episode. Not

1:35:33

a lot of detective work. It's like, oh, yeah, see, we

1:35:35

gotta just go get this guy. It's basically just moving your

1:35:37

hands around. Is this movie

1:35:39

better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trey, Adoris

1:35:41

Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell Byron, Mayo Barney,

1:35:43

Cousins, Tony Ruma, Harling Mays, Chris Collinsworth,

1:35:45

Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley

1:35:47

in the firm. In honor of the

1:35:50

NBA playoffs, if D .B. was

1:35:52

checking out a little minority report, we see you,

1:35:54

Miss Agatha. You've been swimming

1:35:56

in the photon milk for all

1:35:58

this time, not just grinding tape.

1:36:00

But making the tape for the

1:36:02

pre -game to act on. But

1:36:04

now you're out here in your

1:36:06

gap finest, straight off the rack, living

1:36:09

your best life. Don't let anyone

1:36:11

tell you that you need the twins

1:36:13

to see the future. TV

1:36:18

is really kind of taking on her own

1:36:20

character now. It's not even really like a Doris

1:36:22

Burke imitation anymore. I don't know. We'll see

1:36:24

her in the playoffs. I don't know if that's

1:36:27

far off. I had,

1:36:29

uh, I had Ryan Ruco

1:36:31

and also an honor in the NBA playoffs. Is

1:36:33

the Marper just gonna take his life?

1:36:39

Just one Oscar who gets it.

1:36:42

I could honestly go Kaminsky. I

1:36:44

think this movie looks so cool.

1:36:46

Janusz. Yeah. I think the way

1:36:48

it's, it's just the vibe of it

1:36:50

is so unique. It really stands out. Even

1:36:53

if you're flicking channels on cable and

1:36:55

they stumble across it. It just looks different.

1:36:57

I like the idea though that this

1:36:59

is like Hardly in the conversation of Spielberg

1:37:01

movie that missed out on an Oscar

1:37:03

or should it but what should have won

1:37:05

an Oscar? But people still study it.

1:37:07

Yeah, you know what I mean? It's a

1:37:10

real test. No question probably an answerable

1:37:12

questions Did Howard Marx's wife deserve to die?

1:37:16

I mean the fucking guy wasn't even in his

1:37:18

car yet and the next guy's coming over.

1:37:20

I don't know that guys Did Howard have some

1:37:22

good ideas in the house too from across

1:37:24

the street? She's like you can't even you can't

1:37:27

even wait for five minutes creep Creep a

1:37:29

fair guy. I don't know you need to go

1:37:31

listen to the TK Kirkland interview on higher

1:37:33

learning Let let me let me

1:37:35

tell you something. Um, I said it

1:37:37

was unanswerable I will say this it

1:37:39

knows but the answer is no, but

1:37:41

I will say that that scene is

1:37:43

really That scene is diabolical because He's

1:37:46

trying to convince her to have sex in

1:37:49

the bed. Yeah, and she's like not wanting

1:37:51

to do it But saving it but yeah,

1:37:53

but she's like I don't want to do

1:37:55

it in our bed in the bed that

1:37:57

we share Even though the guys already coming

1:37:59

in the house. He's like nah nah fuck

1:38:01

your husband fuck your husband And then he's

1:38:03

right there with the fucking scissors, but no

1:38:05

she didn't deserve to die now has any

1:38:07

actor Ever worn more

1:38:09

masks in a movie than Tom Cruise. Oh

1:38:12

my god. I forgot about the the

1:38:14

paralytic that he shoots into his face. need

1:38:16

to talk about that. Yeah, he loves

1:38:18

a mask Loves it. I mean how many

1:38:20

every mission impossible movie vanilla sky vanilla

1:38:22

sky this movie It's got to be like

1:38:24

two more. He wearing a mask and

1:38:26

Tropic Thunder is just a lot of makeup.

1:38:29

Yeah. Oh, that's a good question. I

1:38:31

think for live Maybe, maybe

1:38:33

prosthetics, maybe not a full mask, yeah. I love

1:38:35

that he injects himself with that and then

1:38:37

like 20 seconds later the pre -cut guy's like,

1:38:39

hey John! It's

1:38:41

also such like a point. Like why did I do

1:38:43

that? Where they're like, here's what you're gonna do, you're gonna

1:38:45

shoot yourself this and it's like, this is not like

1:38:47

actually that important. No. I

1:38:49

have two really good ones, so unless anyone has

1:38:51

any other ones. I don't. Alright,

1:38:54

first one. What's

1:38:56

the fan -dual line on the

1:38:58

crane fight with Farron Cruz, right? When...

1:39:01

when Farrell does his Irish thing and

1:39:03

it's like it's go time if that's real

1:39:05

life on the crane who wins Well,

1:39:07

I think it's like I'm going with the

1:39:09

Irish guy. It's kind of like him

1:39:11

up. I'm in Thompson's first playoff series We

1:39:13

don't really know we won't really see

1:39:15

we haven't seen Whitmore and I think he's

1:39:17

like minus three ten over cruise He's

1:39:19

got size on him. He's younger and when

1:39:21

he kisses the necklace. That's like that

1:39:23

tells you Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like he's

1:39:25

had some scraps and by the way

1:39:27

He starts off fucking them up. So three

1:39:29

to one three one 3

1:39:33

-1 is a lot. So

1:39:35

you think there'll be some cruise action

1:39:37

in minus 240 or plus 240? Yeah.

1:39:41

Next one. Has Van ever typed in pre

1:39:43

-cog in a porn search? Cog.

1:39:49

No, I haven't. Okay, good. What

1:39:52

piece of memorabilia would you want or

1:39:54

not want from this movie? I would want

1:39:56

the pre -crime screen, but only so that

1:39:59

I could watch second spectrum and grind

1:40:01

tape. Look

1:40:03

at this split action. Trayvon's

1:40:06

going to get set here. I

1:40:09

have the rarely seen not want for

1:40:11

this. OK. The eyeballs. Oh,

1:40:13

yeah. Imagine having those. Like, what are those? I

1:40:15

have the eyeballs for part. need to get

1:40:17

into Spotify. The

1:40:20

halo. I want the

1:40:22

halo. Oh, yeah. The halos

1:40:24

are cool. Coach

1:40:26

Finstackle where best life lesson

1:40:28

I'm gonna go with careful chief

1:40:30

you dig up the past

1:40:32

all you get is dirty Some

1:40:34

sort of life okay, I

1:40:36

like I like everybody runs. Yeah,

1:40:38

everybody runs. That's good. Best

1:40:40

double feature choice I Had it's

1:40:42

a tomorrow That's good. I

1:40:45

had north by Northwest. Mmm. Oh,

1:40:47

I was gonna say war

1:40:49

on the world war the world.

1:40:51

Yeah, just to get the

1:40:53

combo. Yeah Who won the movie?

1:40:56

Steve? I'm going to go Steve. I'm going

1:40:58

go Steve, too. Steve,

1:41:00

go Tom. Unanimous. Yeah,

1:41:03

I'm Greg's pre -cog milk take. Yeah. Craig,

1:41:07

what do you got? So

1:41:09

I feel like I've effectively masked my

1:41:11

thoughts throughout this recording. have. You're

1:41:14

probably not going to be thrilled. You didn't it. I have

1:41:17

seen this movie before. I saw it 10 years ago. This

1:41:19

is only the second time I've seen it. I

1:41:21

don't deny that this is exactly

1:41:23

what Spielberg wanted. It just doesn't click

1:41:26

for me. It doesn't work. Not

1:41:28

a sci -fi guy or not? No, I like

1:41:30

sci -fi. a pre -crime guy. Can I

1:41:32

ask you something? Because we didn't talk about this. Is

1:41:34

it a half hour too long? Yeah,

1:41:36

for sure. Because I know that

1:41:39

you're really sensitive about runtimes anyway, and

1:41:41

this one definitely has like five extras. It

1:41:43

drags in that It's a little ahead

1:41:45

of its time and how long it is,

1:41:47

to be honest. I feel like these

1:41:49

movies. A two and a half hour blockbuster

1:41:51

was uncommon back then. Yeah, I just

1:41:53

knew centers. I love centers, but I knew

1:41:55

like I had to pee halfway at

1:41:57

the hour mark because I was like, I

1:42:00

know this is going to go an

1:42:02

hour a half longer. I think this is

1:42:04

just like my own personal subjective opinion.

1:42:06

I just don't like the look of the

1:42:08

early OTS late 90s movies that like

1:42:10

cold blue bleached out. I just like find

1:42:12

that to be visually unpleasant. And I

1:42:14

think it's in a weird middle ground. I

1:42:16

think it's in a gray area where

1:42:19

80s and 90s movies to me actually aged

1:42:21

better than early aughts movies because the

1:42:23

early aughts movies are like in that awkward

1:42:25

period between bad CGI and good CGI

1:42:27

and they're like really trying I could not

1:42:29

agree more they have they like like

1:42:31

are just discovering it so they're trying really

1:42:33

hard and I actually think it just

1:42:35

looks worse than like total recall in some

1:42:37

ways bad bad like bad CGI like

1:42:40

bad CGI effects puts you in a position

1:42:42

where you understand exactly what their imagining,

1:42:44

middling CGI and effects makes it look like

1:42:46

they couldn't do what they wanted to

1:42:48

do. I think this movie is either 10

1:42:50

years too early or 10 years too

1:42:52

late. Yeah. You know what's funny though? So

1:42:54

I totally agree with Craig, but I

1:42:56

also judge this because I know what they

1:42:59

had and didn't have back then, almost

1:43:01

the same way you would watch. NBA clips

1:43:03

from the 70s and be like, oh,

1:43:05

yeah, they didn't know to shoot threes back

1:43:07

then, but see that's what he's saying

1:43:09

Yeah, in my opinion, um, I'm not to

1:43:11

speak for him because he just said

1:43:13

it but like if you watch if you

1:43:15

watch total recall and You know the

1:43:17

things happening and he's in the stomach and

1:43:20

all that can't be right You get

1:43:22

that but then when you watch a movie

1:43:24

from like 2002 or 2003 there are

1:43:26

parts of the movie that look amazing and

1:43:28

then parts that look bad, and that

1:43:30

to me takes you more out of it

1:43:32

than something that looks bad pretty much

1:43:34

throughout the entire way. I was watching, I

1:43:36

don't know if you guys know this

1:43:39

movie, The Thing? Last night? John

1:43:41

Carpenter? Literally last night. You might have heard

1:43:43

of it. Did you get it on 4K? No,

1:43:46

it was just on cable. I do have it

1:43:48

on 4K though. See, to me, that's a good

1:43:50

example of a movie that visually works, despite how

1:43:52

dated it was. But that's the thing, it's 1982.

1:43:55

All of it feels completely genuine. Even the

1:43:57

alien, whatever the fuck, coming out of the

1:44:00

guy's stomach. And in 2002,

1:44:02

they probably tried to throw some technology at

1:44:04

that that would make it seem less

1:44:06

fake than it did in 1982. Yes. It's

1:44:08

just tough timing. I almost wish this

1:44:10

was a total recall sequel in, like, 1991,

1:44:12

because it would have looked way different. But

1:44:15

there are parts of the movie that

1:44:17

look fantastic. Like, all of the stuff moving

1:44:19

around, the pre -cog stuff, all

1:44:21

of that stuff totally works. And then you'll

1:44:23

get to something and you'll go, Hadn't

1:44:26

quite mastered because they're probably producing

1:44:28

this 2000 2001. Yeah, something like that.

1:44:30

They hadn't quite shot pretty fast

1:44:32

But yeah, like it's it's it's I

1:44:34

think it's after and they certainly

1:44:36

were doing it after 9 -11 But

1:44:38

I think it was a quick shoot.

1:44:40

Yeah, I just don't love the

1:44:42

early internet era like the early digital

1:44:44

era on film I feel like

1:44:46

it's kind of tough doesn't age well

1:44:48

Craig. Have you seen the thing?

1:44:50

Yeah, Jack. Have you seen it? I

1:44:52

have huge inspiration for centers It's

1:44:54

really good The finger you

1:44:56

showed a little you showed a little

1:44:58

leg are we gonna do it the

1:45:00

thing is just really good It's just

1:45:02

one the best movies the testing the

1:45:04

blood is just one of the most

1:45:06

riveting scenes But sinners has a lot

1:45:08

of thing energy in there Carl the

1:45:10

garlic Do you think I was an

1:45:12

inspiration for sinners probably I mean he

1:45:14

would know like this It's

1:45:16

a whole thing. Jack, you can get to it.

1:45:18

I haven't heard anybody say it, but maybe

1:45:20

I guess Jack has. No, Ryan Coogler has spoken

1:45:22

about the thing was one of the biggest

1:45:25

inspirations for the film. I saw a video recently

1:45:27

of Kurt Russell and Keith David like meeting

1:45:29

up again for the first time in like 20

1:45:31

-something years. And I was like, this is like,

1:45:33

I'm about to start crying. Like, this is

1:45:35

really important. It was at Carpenters. And

1:45:38

you're like, oh my god, brother, what's up?

1:45:40

It's like, holy shit. Still not my favorite

1:45:42

Carpenters, though. Wow. Yeah,

1:45:44

me at Halloween for God's

1:45:46

sakes. Nah big trouble

1:45:48

on China That is a

1:45:50

very good movie. Love

1:45:52

that movie be going they

1:45:54

live they live They

1:45:56

live is they live is

1:45:58

still the it's a

1:46:00

haunting Riveting hyper masterpiece

1:46:02

love that movie. Love it. I

1:46:05

also like vampires, which is

1:46:07

a movie that nobody likes. I

1:46:09

like vampires. Yeah to Craig.

1:46:11

Thanks to Jack. Thanks

1:46:13

to Cousins. Thanks

1:46:16

to C .R. and Van. Great to see you

1:46:18

guys always. Don't forget, you can watch this on

1:46:20

the Ring of Moves YouTube channel or as a

1:46:22

video podcast on Spotify. Or deemed right into your

1:46:24

retina. Yeah. See you next time.

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