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3:14

right, CR. I

3:16

thought Craig's text this week encapsulated this

3:18

one perfectly. He's flying home from

3:20

the draft and he texted us about

3:22

this movie. I looked this movie

3:24

up, and it's exactly the type of

3:26

shit that gets me fired up

3:28

for rewatchables. Mid -budget action movie I've

3:30

never heard of with a big director

3:32

and some has -been actors. Yeah. Well,

3:34

for Craig and her has -beens, for

3:36

us, they were the big, beautiful

3:38

faces on screen. They were wass, or

3:40

they were iss. They were gonna

3:42

bes. So I

3:44

have the flawed rewatchables checklist because we've

3:47

had some flawed rewatchables We've done

3:49

a lot of ones for us. Mm

3:51

-hmm eight millimeter probably one of my

3:53

favorites You just got to meet

3:55

the machine you want to talk about

3:57

machine, you know, I really I

3:59

really I really blew it by not

4:01

saying machine love your work It's like

4:03

kind of froze I

4:06

think, I think Chris Bauer, who plays machine

4:08

was so stunned that I opened with, I

4:10

love eight millimeter. What did he, well, literally,

4:12

what did he say when you said that?

4:14

He was just, cause I'm sure these guys.

4:17

He gets a lot of stuff. He must get a lot of

4:19

sabaca. He must get a lot of heels. Who

4:21

knows? Maybe he was on

4:24

law and order, but yeah, I don't think he gets a lot of

4:26

eight millimeter. Anyway, flawed rewatch was

4:28

checklist. Here we go. Is

4:31

it okay if your

4:33

movie is flawed? But it's

4:35

an incredibly cool hang. I

4:37

think it is. Yeah. Is it okay if

4:39

I like the performances more than the actual

4:41

movie they're in? I'm going to say yes.

4:44

Is it okay if I had a great time the entire

4:46

time and then the ending fell apart and I'm not

4:48

going to hold it against the movie? And

4:50

then is it okay if an excellent

4:52

director said, plot

4:55

schmott. I care

4:57

more about how this looks. What

5:00

other, what other, what other flawed rewatchables like.

5:02

things where you're just like, I'm just

5:05

going to forgive this because I'm having a

5:07

great time. I think there's got to

5:09

be a big ensemble that you're excited about

5:11

seeing. Oh, just random guys. I think

5:13

someone to watch over me has a bunch

5:15

of really random choices by random actors. Yeah.

5:17

Where you're like, why are you bringing

5:19

this energy to the scene, my man? And

5:21

it's like, doesn't matter. You're dead anyway. Right.

5:25

I love that. I think a lot of faces.

5:27

So someone to watch over me has, you'll

5:29

see like, oh, there's Jerry Orbach. There's,

5:31

there's Mark Moses, like a lot of guys

5:33

that are just kind of floating around in

5:36

there. And I, I gotta say, for

5:38

us, I think Flawed

5:40

Rewatchables do demand a

5:42

little bit of sexual intercourse. Like,

5:44

I think it helps to have like a little

5:46

bit of sex, a little bit of

5:48

violence. Well, we'll talk later about whether there was

5:51

enough. I know. But just even like the

5:53

hint of it or like the neurosis around it,

5:55

I think it really helps. So. I watched,

5:57

I put this on 2B last week because I

5:59

couldn't find anything and it was like 11 .30 at

6:01

night. I was doing my classic. I'm not quite tired

6:03

enough yet in a movie. And I just put it

6:05

on and then ended up watching the whole thing. And

6:07

that was when I texted you after I was like,

6:09

it's, we just got to bang this out. So I

6:11

could stop watching this. But I think the number one

6:13

reason I like this movie is cause I'm just, I

6:15

saw this movie when I was probably a senior in

6:17

high school. I

6:19

just love Mimi Rogers in this movie.

6:21

And I don't, we can have the whole

6:23

Mimi Rogers conversation later, but this Claire

6:25

character is so compelling. But then we also

6:28

have this Lorraine Bracco. This is the

6:30

thing is that I feel like you and

6:32

I are woolbond and cornhizer here where

6:34

I'm like, that's your girl of Mimi Rogers,

6:36

but I'm like mesmerized for Lorraine Bracco

6:38

in this movie. Yeah. Who, when this movie

6:40

came out, nobody knew who she was.

6:42

It was a complete of nowhere. And it

6:44

was a complete out of nowhere for

6:46

Mimi Rogers. And the only person we had

6:48

a history with was Barringer. But you

6:50

have this moral choice for this cop where

6:52

he's like, I have this great queen.

6:54

And they do a really good job with

6:56

the family life stuff. This great

6:58

family life. My house is just big

7:00

enough. It's cool. We're all together. We

7:02

bust each other's balls. I have all

7:04

these great friends. And my

7:06

wife is cool. And she's kind of

7:08

like queen's hot. Yeah. A

7:11

queen's eight. Queen's nine

7:13

and a half. And

7:15

then he's with Mimi Rogers and he

7:17

goes into her world for five seconds.

7:19

And he's like, this is Princess Diana?

7:21

Yeah. And he's just battling that. But

7:23

I think the most, my wife was, we were

7:25

talking about this and she's like, why do we like

7:28

this movie so much? And I said, because it

7:30

pulls off the hardest thing you can pull off. Somebody's

7:32

doing something terrible, but you can

7:34

kind of see it and you're not

7:36

holding it against them. Isn't this

7:39

why we love this like 85 to

7:41

95 97 run where you get

7:43

All these like erotic thrillers and indie

7:45

movies like where it's body double

7:47

body heat sea of love big easy

7:49

fatal attraction sex lies in videotape

7:51

All the way up through eyes wide

7:53

shut even where you're like, this

7:55

is just really interesting. There might be

7:57

a genre movie happening around it.

8:00

So there's a cop movie happening around

8:02

it. But what you're there for

8:04

is this guy's midlife crisis and this

8:06

crossroads that he comes for, comes

8:08

to where he's like, God, this

8:10

is like a complete fantasy land up here

8:12

in Manhattan. But then I have like this decent

8:14

life. And you're actually

8:16

kind of like, you can see both sides

8:18

of it, no matter where you are

8:21

in your life. You can kind of see

8:23

like, I can see why this would

8:25

be pretty seductive. But also you got your

8:27

kid and your wife over here and

8:29

you're doing good. Yeah, it's a moral crossroads

8:31

movie. Maybe that's a genre. Fatal Attraction,

8:33

which comes out the same year. This is

8:35

probably Tubi's greatest year, 87. They

8:38

should just have one of the categories should

8:40

be. And by the way, this is not an

8:42

ad for Tubi because they can fuck off

8:44

because they haven't given us a kiss of death

8:46

yet. But they can do a carousel category

8:48

just called 87. Yeah. And there's like 20 of

8:50

these that they made this year, but Fatal

8:52

Attraction. was the one that I think

8:54

did the best. I was like, the carousel should

8:56

be called. You should probably go home now. Right.

9:00

Don't have that drink. Yeah, don't have that

9:02

martini with her. But it's a lot of,

9:04

they'll set up in the beginning. Oh

9:06

man, this guy's really got a nice

9:08

life. Yeah. Really, there's usually only one kid

9:11

they never have two, because two, it

9:13

gets a little chaotic. The one kid they

9:15

can both have the relationship with, he'll

9:17

bust the parents' balls. They'll throw some scene

9:19

in the first 15 minutes where Either

9:21

they just had sex or they're thinking about

9:23

it and the wife still looks good. But

9:26

you can also see why he

9:28

would get seduced by Amy Mirages

9:30

or crazy Glenn Close with their

9:32

hair. He's kind of, you

9:34

know, he's settled into whatever his

9:36

life's going to be, but there's that

9:39

small piece of him going, huh,

9:41

I wonder what else is out there.

9:43

And these movies just attacked it for

9:45

10 years. So I love the way

9:47

this movie opens the first few scenes.

9:50

outside of the nightclub part, where

9:52

you're getting to see Tom Barriger's

9:54

character, Mike Eagan. He's got this

9:57

duplex in Queens, and he's making

9:59

breakfast for his family. And

10:01

it's very homey, but you can

10:03

see him tripping over skateboards. The

10:05

kid is really fun, but when

10:07

he's done with his napkin, he just

10:09

throws it into the kitchen. Everything

10:12

about it is charming, but

10:14

a little like... we're really like living on

10:16

top of other. We're cramped in here. And

10:18

then when he goes to Claire's apartment, he

10:20

gets lost in it. It's so big that

10:22

he can't find his way back. There's so

10:24

many doors. And really

10:26

Scott never like overdoes it. He does it

10:28

by visually showing you what a completely different

10:30

universe this guy is in. And that's where

10:33

you get to the really Scott part of

10:35

this where it's like, this guy

10:37

is so talented. to be doing

10:39

basically like a pulpy erotic thriller. Yeah.

10:41

Um, and he's, he's able to

10:43

elevate it, I think. So,

10:45

off the way, you just

10:47

said Mimi Rogers had this quote.

10:51

Ridley Scott is the most visual director

10:53

I've ever worked with. He actually paints

10:55

with light and with lenses open angles.

10:57

And it's a very unique process. It

10:59

becomes an element of the story because

11:01

Ridley creates such a strong mood with

11:03

his visuals. And she was saying like,

11:05

he almost cared more about how something

11:07

looked. Then then

11:09

what the actors were doing mm -hmm,

11:11

and she was saying there was

11:13

that YouTube interview I did a

11:15

Mimi Rodgers deep dive. Yeah our

11:17

girl Bobby waggant who had these

11:19

weird interviews in Dallas where they

11:21

just keep the cameras rolling even

11:23

before the interview starts just like

11:25

oh And it's the most awkward

11:27

things you've ever seen and she's

11:30

got like the big bun hairdo.

11:32

Yeah, and she's just like Chris

11:34

so the watch It's doing

11:36

well, huh? And then you're like, yeah,

11:38

it is doing well. And you could

11:40

just tell these people are doing 130

11:42

interviews in five days. We've kind of

11:44

now arrived back at that where it's

11:46

like the, you know, the sinners cast

11:48

and they're like, do your favorite dogs

11:50

reverse rank top five. Yeah. There's more

11:52

creativity while eating your favorite snack. But

11:55

you're answering for Haley Steinfeld.

11:57

Just like, okay, man. Like, yeah,

11:59

back then it was, it

12:01

was more simple questions. Like. You

12:04

have such beautiful hair, but your hair

12:06

is different in the movie. Why is

12:08

it different? That's an

12:10

actual question Bobby Wackett hits. Is it hard

12:12

to kiss someone you're not married to? Right,

12:14

right. So it's a lot of stuff like

12:16

that. But Mimi Roger said, yeah, I cut

12:18

when my hair's shorter, it gets fluffier, but

12:20

Ridley wanted me to put these little blonde

12:22

highlights in it. So my hair is a little

12:25

lighter because so much of what we filmed

12:27

that night was in the dark. And

12:29

a dark like shadows all this

12:31

stuff and he wanted the light

12:33

to hit the highlights of my

12:35

hair and it's like really Scott

12:37

You're the fucking man. Yeah, even

12:39

this movie. That's a pretty average

12:41

plot for a late 80s movie

12:43

And he's just like I'm making

12:45

a Picasso out of this movie.

12:47

Yeah, he obviously wanted to make

12:49

something that pay tribute to 40s

12:51

and 50s more movies. Yeah, but

12:53

also brings like his

12:55

very modern, very commercial sensibility. A

12:57

lot of people I've talked about how,

13:00

you know, you'll watch a Ridley

13:02

Scott movie. And if you close your eyes, sometimes you

13:04

think it's a Tony Scott movie. I wonder whether or

13:06

not, you know, we can have the like, in the

13:08

director, what ifs casting, what if stuff like we can

13:10

talk about whether this would be a cooler. Tony

13:12

Scott movie that way more action.

13:14

We have three more action scenes. Um,

13:16

but really like is also really,

13:18

really good at, uh, like locations. So

13:21

like picking a place to set

13:23

action that just feels like the apartment,

13:25

the Guggenheim, the nightclub, like he's

13:27

just fantastic at like being or barren.

13:29

You're walking the streets and it's,

13:31

and as usual in New York movies,

13:33

nobody's on the street. There's not

13:35

a single hobo anything. Just,

13:37

just. Wet streets, the sunlight streaming off

13:39

them. jumping the rails. Yeah, there's nobody,

13:41

nobody's going to stab you. He

13:44

was in, I think it was

13:46

like the third or fourth premiere magazine

13:48

ever. I'm going to show it

13:50

on camera because we're now a video

13:52

podcast where you check them out.

13:54

Like now he looks like Logan Roy

13:56

now, but back then younger, but

13:58

he wrote this piece about why he

14:00

wanted to make this movie and

14:03

he was coming off the duelist movie

14:05

that you and Sean. We

14:07

might have to rewatchable that one at

14:09

some point. Sure. Blade Runner,

14:12

he did legend. He felt like

14:14

he was an alien. He

14:16

felt like he was becoming pigeonholed

14:18

as this kind of like

14:20

grand idea, you know, sci

14:22

-fi, whatever. And he really

14:24

just, he said, someone to watch over me was

14:26

to be a change of pace for me. It said,

14:29

in President Day of New York, and it deals

14:31

with the lives and relationships of contemporary characters. And

14:33

then he... all this research, which I

14:35

thought was funny, where he really wanted

14:37

to study Queens, how

14:40

cops interacted. And I

14:42

was just thinking how funny that would

14:44

have been in like 1986. It was like

14:46

this Ridley Scott showing up. Hey, can

14:48

I just watch you guys interact in this

14:50

bowling alley? What

14:52

happens at the pub? It is

14:54

pretty crazy. He makes these two films

14:56

that are essentially like genre defining

14:59

for the decades to come for Boat

15:01

Runner and Alien. And you would

15:03

think that like, He would pretty

15:05

much be in what we would consider

15:07

like almost like a Kubrick zone in

15:09

terms of like every four years I'm gonna

15:11

make a mind -altering masterpiece, but he just

15:13

really likes working and he really likes

15:15

he still does I mean he's still

15:17

a soda burger knocking out two movies a

15:19

year practically So this is

15:22

kind of like an interesting it's funny

15:24

to see him come almost full circle now

15:26

where he'll just make You know the

15:28

house of Gucci or something like that because

15:30

he's interested in this mystery in the

15:32

heart of like the high -fashion world This

15:34

is clearly just something that that piqued his

15:36

interest and also like I think you

15:38

said like he just wanted to shoot a

15:40

nighttime New York movie that he was

15:43

interested in this high -high society life and

15:45

somebody going between these two worlds and he

15:47

was like He said, this

15:49

is another quote he had, I wanted to

15:51

create that dilemma in the central character's mind

15:53

by giving me a very strong home life

15:55

and a very strong wife. I wanted his

15:57

attraction to be more than sexual. I

16:00

wanted to be cerebral about

16:02

everything. It's a choice between women.

16:04

So the casting was important, but like the

16:07

key scene in this movie that says

16:09

it's not, he's just not thinking about fucking

16:11

Mimi Rogers when his wife is in

16:13

the bathroom and she's swearing and he's like,

16:15

why do you have to swear? And

16:18

you're like, oh man, Mimi's got

16:20

you. You love

16:22

the taste of the classy lady. Loring Brock?

16:24

Ellie's like, I've been swearing for 16 years.

16:26

Yeah. What the fuck? Why are you bringing

16:28

this up now? Fuckface. Yeah. She's like, he's

16:30

like, that's what I mean. Barringer.

16:35

Big chill. Eddie and the Cruisers. I'm

16:38

going to look at the camera for this one.

16:40

Fuck you again, Tubi, because Eddie and the Cruisers,

16:42

you assholes. We do your movies. Then you put

16:44

them on the main screen. And you

16:46

won't give us any of the cruisers and kiss the

16:48

death. Fuck off. Um, platoon, someone to

16:50

watch over me. And then has

16:52

this shoot to kill betrayed last rights

16:54

major league is kind of the

16:56

last and then he kind of moves

16:58

into some different territory. But it

17:00

never a hundred percent happens. And yet

17:02

I feel like he had something.

17:04

We talked about it during the big

17:06

chill podcast. He had

17:09

some sort of leading man thing

17:11

that I just don't understand why he

17:13

wasn't Clooney Costner. It just felt

17:15

like that should have been his career

17:17

for 10 years. couple of more

17:19

Westerns. Like he has like a really

17:21

great Westerns face. And I

17:23

feel like he needed like... Like he

17:25

does Tombstone in 1985. Yeah, something

17:27

like he needed some kind of like go

17:29

play Wider Man or you know, and I think

17:31

that he had... he have been in Touchable's

17:33

guy instead of Costner? I feel like there's parts

17:35

we could have thrown him in. look at

17:37

Tom Bairinger and you see... Oh, you see the

17:39

kind of guy who would be like, you

17:41

know, maybe I'm gonna leave my wife. Costner never

17:43

would do that. Costner is this angelic kind

17:45

of like I'm entirely dedicated to Amy Madigan or

17:47

Patricia Clarkson or whoever he's with in the

17:49

movie. Tom Barringer is kind of

17:51

like, whoa, is that guy still at the

17:54

bar? Okay. Right. You

17:56

going home? No. Like a tiny dark side.

17:58

Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. I

18:00

don't know. And then I think maybe

18:03

like, I think he's like stuck

18:05

in between, right? Cause he's like a got

18:07

movie star charisma, but he's got kind of

18:09

a character actor's look. So he can't read.

18:11

He can't really be Richard Gere, for instance,

18:13

right? Right. It's probably closer to like Sam

18:15

Shepard than was. Well, probably almost more like

18:17

Don Johnson, like Sonny Crockett, like those kind

18:19

Yeah, Don Johnson's a movie star. Like, I

18:21

mean, like his face is like, his demeanor

18:23

is like really like movie star. But in

18:25

Big Chill, he plays like Sam, the fucking

18:27

Magnum PI guy. to be Tom Selleck or

18:29

whatever, yeah. Yeah, I liked him. I thought

18:31

he was really good at editing the cruisers,

18:33

too. Shoot to Kill,

18:35

really weird movie. It was

18:37

sold as Poitiers, like, like,

18:41

kind of comeback, mainstream comeback

18:43

movie. Um, it's actually

18:45

a good one. That's another like classic. Oh

18:49

yeah. Oh, I have, I,

18:51

I think platoons rewatchable. I do

18:53

too. It's not a fun

18:55

hang. I'm asking you. Yeah. Yeah.

18:58

Do you think? Yeah. But he's extraordinary in

19:00

platoon. He's extraordinary. He's great. And

19:02

by the way, Charlie Sheen's really good man.

19:04

So is the foe. It's really cool that

19:06

Ridley Scott got to like watch an earlier

19:08

version of platoon. because he was thinking about

19:10

casting Berenger. He had been inspired by the

19:12

Big Chill because he liked his tough guy

19:14

look in that movie, but saw him in

19:17

Platoon and was like, holy shit, I better

19:19

jump on this while I can. Yeah,

19:21

he said that was the reason

19:23

because he saw some rough cut of

19:25

Platoon and became fascinated by Berenger.

19:28

I don't know. This era is just

19:30

so weird from a movie standpoint

19:32

because there's so many of them that

19:34

we love. And there's so

19:36

many of them that are flawed. And then there's so

19:38

many stars from the 80s that I'm just like,

19:40

why wasn't their career better? But maybe

19:42

it was just less movies. There's less

19:44

prestige. Yeah. But Barringer is

19:46

one of those. I felt like that was one

19:48

level higher. That is a good point is

19:50

that I probably for in our head, we're like,

19:52

well, Barringer, why didn't you just make a

19:54

Taylor Sheridan show? But there weren't Taylor Sheridan shows,

19:56

you know, like, right? Barringer would be basically

19:59

going up against the same 10 stars. for these

20:01

movies, but he would not want to go

20:03

down and play Sam alone. Like, you know, he's,

20:05

he's not going to go back down to

20:07

television once you're in the movies back then. What

20:09

was the one he made? Was it the

20:11

substitute? Yeah. He's making

20:13

like B movies by the. When he became

20:15

a B movie guy, I got to say,

20:17

I really, really enjoyed that Barringer era. Well,

20:20

I like Sniper. Yeah. Yeah. Sniper's a

20:22

good one. And then I

20:24

remember it started to turn on him

20:26

and maybe he led a hard life. But

20:28

I remember, I saw Sliver in

20:30

the theater with Joe House in Boston.

20:33

We were like, we're Sharon Stone season tickets at

20:35

that point. And he's in

20:37

that. And he just

20:39

looked, it looked like he had aged 20 years

20:41

from someone to watch over me. And that movie

20:43

came out, I think six years after. And it

20:46

was like, wow, Barringer. What happened in this guy? But

20:48

he might have led a semi -hard

20:51

life. He had a two

20:53

episode Cheers Run too. Did he? Yeah. When?

20:57

Nineteen ninety -three the last year. Yeah,

20:59

so he ends up It's basically

21:01

by the time we get to

21:03

the 90s all this the substitutes

21:05

1996 so it's just Couldn't keep

21:07

it going but I was like

21:09

perfectly cast for this movie because

21:11

if you put someone prettier If

21:13

you put gear in this role

21:15

if you put gear in the

21:17

someone to watch over me realistic

21:19

well, you're just like yeah These

21:21

women should be throwing themselves at

21:23

this guy Berenger. It's like this

21:25

guy hit the lottery He has

21:28

the best wife and Queens. Yeah.

21:30

But he somehow has like drawn

21:32

the eye of Mimi Rogers' character,

21:34

who's in this vulnerable state because

21:36

Joey fucking Lanza's running after her.

21:38

Right. Lorraine

21:40

Bracco, first movie.

21:43

She's phenomenal. And then Scott said this

21:45

was the hardest part to cast. We

21:48

have a couple of casting what ifs with that too. It's

21:51

so funny to watch this now knowing she's going

21:54

to be Karen in three years. Karen!

21:58

That was all the money we had!

22:04

They were gonna find

22:06

it! She gets a

22:08

little, they were gonna find it in

22:10

this. Well, I did some BRACCO research.

22:13

BRACCO? I did some

22:15

BRACCO research. And I

22:17

didn't realize she was a model. Like

22:19

they kind of uglier up in this movie.

22:21

They give her like the worst possible

22:23

hairdo. But then they make

22:25

her look Finally, she looks

22:27

really good in that in that restaurant

22:29

scene when she confronts Behringer's character,

22:31

but they they definitely no makeup She's

22:33

just looking like super Queens housewifey,

22:35

but I didn't realize she had this

22:37

whole modeling career and good fellas

22:39

takes off and Then she's in our

22:41

lives through good fellas in the

22:43

sopranos like forever. Yeah, and this is

22:45

like an afterthought movie for her.

22:48

Yeah, but it's it's a great. It's

22:50

a great debut. It's a great

22:52

rookie season for her Yeah, apart that

22:54

in the wrong hands might have

22:56

not been because like throughout the film

22:58

you're just kind of like Ellie

23:00

has such a great charm and energy

23:02

and she's like wearing a hooded

23:04

sweatshirt with a sweater over it Yeah

23:06

coming in with brown grocery bags

23:08

and stuff and kind of pinching his

23:10

butt and making everything like kind

23:12

of work and I think it I

23:14

think that'd be very easy for

23:16

that to be like oh man drop

23:18

drop the wife. Let's go. Yeah,

23:20

let's go. Yeah. Well, let's talk Mimi

23:26

Um There's a lot of Mimi stuff

23:28

going on During this movie because

23:30

she's met Tom Cruise who was in

23:32

legend and I think I Think

23:34

they're married at that when the movie

23:36

comes out. I'm not sure if

23:38

they were married when when they were

23:40

making it but I'm just gonna

23:42

do this now because I think she's

23:45

one of the most fascinating deep

23:47

dive random actress You're gonna find graduated

23:49

from high school at age 14.

23:51

Oh, wow. We're doing the whole Biography.

23:53

Screen tested for body heat, lost

23:55

to Kathleen Turner. Her

23:57

first husband, Jim Rogers, was a

23:59

church of Scientology counselor. She

24:02

is such a good poker player that she's on

24:04

the board of directors for the World Poker Tour. She

24:08

dated Emilio Estevez, who then was the

24:10

best man in her wedding with Tom Cruise.

24:13

She quietly quit Scientology in the 90s.

24:15

She's a member of Mensa. She

24:18

did Playboy Magazine in 1993 for

24:20

some reason. She said in the

24:22

piece about her ex -husband at that

24:24

point, Tom Cruise, at least for that

24:26

period of time, it looked as though

24:28

marriage wouldn't fit into his overall spiritual

24:30

need. And he thought he had to

24:32

be celibate to maintain the purity of

24:34

his instrument. My instrument needed

24:36

tuning. And then

24:38

she said, I've retract those comments. I've been

24:40

misquoted. And then you do a little

24:43

deeper. And she shared an apartment with Kirstie

24:45

Alley. Yeah. And they're first working out.

24:47

There's a lot going on here, CR. Like

24:49

a lot. And I sent you

24:52

that Bobby Wagon interview and Bobby asked

24:54

Mimi about Tom Cruise. And like, so

24:56

you were married to Tom Cruise and

24:58

Mimi like immediately, and this is they

25:00

were married for two more years after

25:02

the interview, Mimi immediately. It's like, hey,

25:04

we're not gonna talk about that. And

25:06

she's like, do you think you'll ever

25:08

be in a movie with Tom and

25:10

Mimi's like, yeah, maybe just frozen smile.

25:12

And it's like, man, this was a

25:14

weird relationship. But that's kind of what

25:16

she became known for. I felt like

25:18

there was more there. more there from

25:20

Mimi Rogers' career? Yeah. And

25:22

then there's another casting motif

25:24

where she lost face against him

25:27

to Sharon Stone. Oh yeah. I

25:29

forgot about that. I

25:31

don't know. Why didn't it happen for her? I

25:34

don't know. I mean, she... She works a lot.

25:36

I think that she obviously has a lot of

25:38

other interests outside of just acting and just doing

25:40

the movie star thing. Maybe she's more private after

25:42

the Tom Cruise thing. Yeah. She became a little

25:44

bit more, more up. I thought that would be

25:46

my guess. She had a cool movie. I can't

25:48

remember the last time I saw it, but I

25:50

remember. The Rapture. I was going to say the

25:52

Rapture, Michael Tolkien, right? That movie was awesome. Yeah.

25:55

It's, I mean, it's completely fucked up. I don't

25:57

know if I'd ever watch it again, but I

25:59

remember. And she got like a lot of like

26:01

awards buzz around that. I remember, but kind of.

26:03

Yeah, I feel like she's she's had like a

26:05

very decent career But definitely could have been like

26:07

like she could have been Susan's ran in in

26:09

Boulder or something like that Like there were definitely

26:11

roles out there that she could have been in

26:13

Thelma Louise, baby She was a good talk show

26:16

guest who was she kind of go through the

26:18

circuit She's in this it got really weird for

26:20

her by the mid 90s. She's in this masseuse

26:22

movie with Coglin from cocktail Brian Brown And

26:25

he's just massaging her. She's naked,

26:27

like half the movie. It's like, what's

26:29

going on? It's like cocktail, but

26:31

it's for masseuses. No. I'm just saying

26:33

cogglins in it. And it's like

26:35

a weird massage movie. And,

26:37

uh, yeah. Wait,

26:39

what's it called? I

26:41

don't know. Massage movie. Craig

26:45

will find it. Yeah.

26:47

Craig, look up massage movie. Look

26:49

up Mimi Rogers. I

26:51

was looking at massage movie last night, actually. Hold

26:55

on. I'm going to find this weird

26:57

massage movie. So I'm going to say

26:59

it was mid 90s. It's a TV

27:01

movie. I believe it's called full body

27:03

massage. Wasn't a TV movie because

27:05

she's naked in it. It says TV movie.

27:07

Maybe you're just Brian Brown. Maybe

27:10

it was for like show time. Full body massage.

27:13

Literally the name of the movie. A

27:16

successful but world -weary art dealer

27:18

finds out that our usual Miss

27:20

or has sent a substitute for

27:22

a weekly massage at her home

27:24

They find out that they're both

27:26

mutually attracted and annoy one another

27:28

a great deal director Nicholas rogue

27:30

is this a skin a max

27:32

movie Nicholas rogue director your guy,

27:34

but why is it called full -body

27:37

massage? I'm just listen. I'm just

27:39

a messenger. Okay This stuff's just

27:41

out there. It's kind of gotta

27:43

find it but For

27:45

what she's trying to do in this movie. I

27:49

think she's fantastic Yeah, she's great.

27:51

She has to be like you

27:53

said she has to be the

27:55

princess that needs to like who's

27:57

this person now Because you have

27:59

to be there's a difference between

28:01

oh, she's a rich lady and

28:03

the way they do this character.

28:05

It's interesting That's a good one

28:07

It's beyond rich. She is in

28:09

a world. Yeah, she's a few

28:11

people. Yeah She has conversations with

28:13

the most dressed up. Like that

28:15

party scene is so key in

28:17

the beginning. Everyone's dressed up.

28:19

The conversations they have, it's almost like

28:21

another language. And she just

28:23

moves in these circles. It's like the limo drivers right

28:25

there. I go from here to here. I

28:27

need to get you a tie. She

28:29

walks into the store. Everybody knows who

28:32

she is. And she pulls

28:34

it off. There's

28:36

an elegance to it. And

28:38

then when she's... effectively

28:40

vulnerable. So like when because

28:42

you can see why she would want

28:44

the sort of protection and the masculinity of

28:47

the Keegan character in her life because

28:49

like for one thing she's got this like

28:51

nebish boyfriend but for the other like

28:53

she's finally been like shown the outside world

28:55

like outside of her penthouse outside of

28:57

like the limo that can attack her that

28:59

can get to her. So like she

29:01

does a really good job grounding it. Someone

29:04

to watch over me. I could

29:06

just tell your team Bronco. Yes. Yeah.

29:08

Okay. Someone to watch over me

29:10

George Gershwin your guy mm -hmm double

29:12

G. What are the best to ever

29:14

tickle the hyphreys? They play this

29:16

song three times Sting to get him

29:18

for the start. Yeah, that's the

29:20

opening credits Roberta Flack heard over the

29:22

end credits not available on Spotify

29:24

or a platform for some reason Do

29:26

you like the sting version of

29:28

the Roberta Flack version better? I'm gonna

29:30

answer that in a later category.

29:32

Okay And then they run the original

29:34

one midway through the movie. The

29:36

Sting and Roberta Flack movie versions were

29:38

new takes. They never had a

29:40

soundtrack album for her because the same

29:42

song a bunch of times. The

29:44

opening reminds me a lot. It's like

29:46

the New York version of the

29:48

lethal weapon opening. Oh, yeah. Night

29:50

City. I would say it's

29:53

a most rewatchable scene how they

29:55

do it. But it's rare to have

29:57

a song three times in the

29:59

same movie titled after the movie. That

30:02

also is the theme of

30:04

the movie. Yeah, it's like the

30:06

fucking triple crowd and then

30:08

they say Versions of the title

30:10

of the movie multiple times

30:12

to watch over you tonight. Yeah

30:14

for watching over me. Yeah

30:16

Congratulations, one of the great songs

30:18

written by Howard Franklin Franklin.

30:20

So Ridley follows Blade Runner with

30:22

legends someone to watch over

30:24

me black rain Which has been

30:26

circled for a while and

30:28

then Thelma and Louise. Yeah, I'm

30:30

not positive. We've ever done

30:32

so I don't think we've done

30:34

it We never done it.

30:36

Oh my god well 12 .8

30:39

million made 10 .3 billion A

30:41

rewatchable loser, Frank, a box office. It's

30:43

really hard to lose money on 12 .3

30:45

million. This is how you know it's a

30:47

one for us. The movie lost money

30:49

and Roger Ebert gave it two stars. to

30:51

put up the image where it's like

30:54

coming Monday and it's just going to be

30:56

barrenger. And people are going to be

30:58

like, seriously, what the fucking movie is this?

31:00

These fucking guys. I can't even reverse

31:02

Google image search. I'm trying to think what

31:04

the meanest things will be, but it'll

31:06

probably be a lot of. I thought we're

31:08

getting a hunt for red October and

31:10

we get this fucking movie. That's my brother.

31:13

My army of

31:15

guys. Roger Ebert,

31:17

two star review. I thought it was one

31:19

of the better reviews I've read from him

31:21

on any movie we've done. He really lays

31:23

out why he doesn't like this whole thing

31:25

about high concept movies. Once you master the

31:28

concept, there's nothing left for the movie. Movies

31:30

like this are an automatic pilot. Um,

31:32

there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the script in which

31:34

the hero sleeps with the wrong woman. I'm not

31:36

talking here in moral terms, but in story terms,

31:38

the makers of this film got so carried away

31:40

with their high concept that they missed the point

31:42

of the whole story. That rich

31:44

broad really does have a great kitchen though. Raj.

31:47

Raj got a little feisty at

31:49

the end. Pauline Kale said, uh, really

31:52

Scott put so much morbid finicky

31:54

care into this silly little story that

31:56

he's worried the fun out of

31:58

it. Late

32:01

eighties Pauline. It's kind of

32:03

needed big heaping helping a

32:05

settle down juice. Just in

32:07

general. Just pour it in

32:09

the morning like green juice. Settle down Pauline.

32:11

Take it with your metamucil. All right. We're

32:13

going to take a break and come back

32:15

and do most rewatchables. All

32:17

right. Most rewatchable scene. Opening

32:20

credits mentioned that. Sting

32:22

still had his voice in 87. He did. He

32:24

still hit the notes. Did he lose it? You

32:26

think? Yeah. Okay.

32:28

By probably mid nineties. Can't

32:30

hit those notes. Is he doing like Fields of Gold

32:33

in the 90s? No, that's that was about it. The

32:35

Fields of Gold album, I think was it. Elton

32:37

lost it. Those people who can live in

32:39

the high, high, high areas, you're not doing

32:41

that when you're like 45. I was never

32:43

much of a sting guy to be completely

32:46

honest. I like police. Really? Not

32:48

a tantric sex guy. Police

32:53

guy. Police are good. Yeah.

32:56

I love the police. I bet you do. You've

32:58

mentioned that before and it also seems like you're kind

33:00

of banned. Not in a pr -

33:02

Love them. Projorative way. I mean, yeah. Love

33:04

them. Well, I like that they were like

33:06

six years done. Yeah. And hated each other.

33:08

Hated each other's guts. There was great background,

33:10

deep dive stuff once the internet ran into

33:12

shape. But I've, you've heard my theory that

33:14

three person bands, I just feel like should

33:16

be graded on a different curve. Because it's

33:18

just so impressive that they're making all that

33:20

music. Yeah. If you're standing up with all

33:22

the other bands and you only have three

33:24

people, it'd be like if I won the

33:26

NBA title with four guys on the court.

33:29

Tons of it. It was like, I'll try

33:31

it. I'll try it.

33:33

Nice. Most

33:35

rewatchable scene. The

33:38

opening cop party. Yeah.

33:41

I have this in Wood Sage the best

33:43

as well. I don't know what it is.

33:45

Because Copland has this too, some of these

33:47

other ones, these cop movies set in like

33:49

Jersey or New York or wherever. I

33:52

just like hanging out with cops.

33:54

All day party too. Maybe not when

33:56

Karen Reed's involved, but for the

33:58

most part, seems like a fun hang.

34:02

Maybe not at three in the morning at

34:04

Attenborough. But for the

34:06

most part, fun hangs. Did

34:09

you notice though that it starts in

34:11

the afternoon and that it's like two in

34:13

the morning and they're still at the

34:15

house? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and everybody

34:17

knows everybody and everybody's kind of on

34:19

the verge of being inappropriate and nobody's judging

34:21

anybody and people are smoking. Decent storytelling

34:23

though too. Like it's like this guy's getting

34:25

promoted. That's the most important thing. Like

34:27

the, you know, and like he's got like

34:29

this, all his friends are over, but

34:31

the cake is for his promotion to getting

34:33

into this new district and precinct in

34:35

Manhattan. Right. And it's like, yeah, because it's

34:37

really hard to get up the ladder

34:39

in this thing. Do you think we need

34:41

more? Like New York

34:43

area cop ball busting at

34:45

parties just for the ringer for

34:47

us. Yeah, it's like Craig

34:49

look at this dude with a

34:52

big promotion Jack Sanders running

34:54

the big pick now look at

34:56

this guy That would be

34:58

good, but that's that's like basically

35:00

sweetish HR law Yeah, I

35:02

gotta I'll check out the sweets,

35:04

but I like those cop

35:06

scenes Bairnger's first day when they're

35:09

walking around the incredible Claire

35:11

apartment. Next rewatchable

35:13

scene. And he

35:15

gets lost but ends up in the closet. Lieutenant.

35:22

Detective. I

35:24

hope you understand

35:27

how upsetting this is.

35:30

Yes, ma 'am, I do. And the way she

35:32

handles it, yeah. You're just

35:34

like, whoa, this is a lady

35:36

that has... down to a lot

35:39

of people that has like levels

35:41

of them. Yeah, she's just like

35:43

this is really upsetting for me

35:45

Yeah, I I hope you understand

35:47

how upsetting this is. Yeah, really

35:49

good stuff All right now we're

35:51

cooking with gas because Claire has

35:53

to go out Mike has to

35:55

go with her They're going to

35:58

the Guggenheim We go to shopping

36:00

everyone knows her Well, if you're

36:02

going to be my escort need

36:04

a new tie Perfect all right

36:06

I'll take it. No, I get

36:08

more. No, no. My account. Yes,

36:10

Mr. Schrocker. If we had

36:12

more time, I'd work on the suit, too. If

36:16

I had more time, I'd work on the

36:18

suit, too. Now we're getting a little flirty. The

36:20

tie also really brings his outfit together. She's

36:22

right. It's great. Yeah. The paisley tie is whatever,

36:24

but he puts on this new tie and

36:26

I'm like, look at this guy. Yeah, Ellie, 16

36:28

years. Maybe learn how to buy your guy

36:30

a tie. But it's fun. I'm

36:33

making the case for Mike as it's

36:35

going. It's like, yeah. Claire's

36:37

got some points here. There's paparazzi.

36:39

For some reason, I think because we just

36:41

watched it in Boston, I was thinking of

36:43

heat when the tie thing is happening because

36:45

it's like, would Jeremy Pivens like my, my

36:47

daughter gave me a right? He's

36:49

like, I don't give a shit. Give me that. Uh,

36:52

we asked to have some ball busted with the, I'm

36:54

on duty. What kind of duty? Jig alone. Yeah. Yeah.

36:57

Um, I

36:59

loved. Claire's friends fishing for info

37:01

at the party. I could have watched

37:03

the scene for 20 more minutes What

37:05

is the old one say like don't

37:07

you if he has really nice eyes?

37:09

Yeah, yeah Who who have you been

37:11

hiding from us? It's the most pretentious

37:13

party. I think I've personally never been

37:15

to a party like that ever yeah,

37:18

where it's like Everyone at the party

37:20

is 100 % rich and pretentious and

37:22

there's like no other people at the

37:24

party and just people This is

37:26

it. This is the highlight of their

37:28

month going to this thing and hanging

37:30

out with the rich people. Yeah, it's

37:32

just another example of him being like

37:34

kind of overwhelmed by architecture. First in

37:36

Claire's apartment, but he walks into the

37:38

Guggenheim and he's just like, it's also

37:40

awesome chase location because of the spiral

37:42

hallway in the Guggenheim. So when he

37:44

goes after Venza. The

37:46

lady comes up to him and says, does shooting

37:48

a gun make you hard? Oh yeah, I love her.

37:51

She's great. She's coming up later. Then

37:53

Claire's in danger. Somehow Mike fucks us

37:55

up and then he chases him out.

37:57

I like him barring it as a

37:59

buzzer. Let's get that cop that

38:01

cop voice. But at

38:04

this whole scene is lights

38:06

out. Next one

38:08

I have is Ellie finds out

38:10

Mike went to a party with Claire

38:12

in that she bought her a

38:14

tie. Yeah. Really good brocco. Claire

38:18

asked Mike on his last day to go for a

38:20

drink. So they

38:22

were like belemens or someplace like they

38:24

go to a nice bar It's

38:26

been nice having you watch over me.

38:28

I bet it has Good I

38:30

get that scene probably could have gone

38:32

longer for me. I would have

38:34

could have gone like two three more

38:36

Like a little background of Claire

38:39

like I went to Harvard. Yeah, I

38:41

graduated as an art major the

38:43

way that they kind of do it

38:45

It isn't that they're connecting on

38:47

a guy personality,

38:49

experiential soul level. It's more just like, we're

38:51

two people who are currently trying to

38:53

escape our immediate circumstances. And it's very present

38:55

tense. Like, it's not going to work.

38:57

You're not going to move in with me.

38:59

We're not going to Europe together. But

39:02

like right now, right here, it works. And

39:04

so when you think about it like that, it's

39:06

kind of nice that they're not telling each

39:08

other their life stories. Would you have

39:10

had her smoke or not smoke? I

39:12

could see her doing a Virginia

39:14

slim or something elegant. So many

39:16

good categories. Should this character

39:19

have had one cigarette? I have

39:21

some cigarette awards coming up. Could there

39:23

have been an elegant smoking scene for

39:25

her? I think that there

39:27

would have been a cigarette out of just

39:29

pure tension. Yeah, maybe in

39:31

the... On the other hand, she's

39:33

too classy to smoke. I like

39:35

when he gives her the coat. Feels

39:38

like they're gonna fuck. We're in

39:40

the elevator. And they're just

39:42

kind of like, she looks at

39:44

him and then walks away. Just

39:47

a nitpick now, just so I remember

39:49

it. They get home at three in the morning.

39:53

So she wants to get a drink. What time is

39:56

it? I know, but is it like 11 at night?

39:58

Yeah. So they're out

40:00

having a drink till three in the morning. I wouldn't

40:02

be a little more drunk. He starts working in

40:04

the middle of the night, doesn't he? Doesn't he go

40:06

on it? like they'd be a little more sauced. be

40:09

a little more tipsy. the 80s. They just put it away.

40:11

Tall lady. Maybe she can carry her liquor. I

40:14

like the cops. Maybe she's like Larry Bird. She

40:16

can put a case away for a case. Claire

40:20

and Mike finally, Benza

40:22

gets out. Claire and Mike have some

40:24

scared sex for Claire. She

40:27

needs somebody to watch

40:29

over her. I'm

40:31

going to bring this up now. The Mallory Rubin Award. Did

40:33

this movie need a better sex scene? It kind of did.

40:36

Yeah. I think Ridley was afraid to do

40:38

it because if there was a pounding

40:40

away scene, maybe it's a little tougher to

40:42

keep on and keep a little mystery. I

40:45

think that there's definitely... There's

40:47

a way to have shown

40:49

the way Mike has sex

40:51

with both of these different

40:53

women as illustrated of his

40:55

sort of choice he has

40:58

to make. It's a

41:00

little bit chased the way it happens. It's

41:02

almost close to Top Gun Maverick laughing. But

41:08

I think Mallory probably would

41:10

have turned the temperature up a

41:12

little bit. Next

41:14

scene, Ellie finds out at

41:16

lunch about Mike's cheating. It's

41:19

incredible, Bracco. Bracco,

41:22

why do I keep saying Bracco? you're

41:24

straighten it, it's okay. Twin towers

41:26

in the background. Yeah. I

41:29

behave like the kind of lady

41:31

you apparently prefer. Like a lady!

41:34

You come back, you come back for

41:36

me. Not

41:38

for Tommy. Not

41:40

for your mother, not for your goddamn

41:43

job. You come back for me,

41:45

okay? I'm

41:50

sorry, Al. I

41:52

love you. I

41:54

do. And

41:57

you are a lady, and I

41:59

respect you very much. Don't talk

42:01

to me! Respect! You

42:06

come back, you come back for me. It's

42:08

a good line. Now, for your goddamn job, you

42:10

come back for me, okay? And then she punches

42:12

him. Terrible sound effects for the punch. Terrible. Yeah.

42:14

It's beyond or with age is the worst. I

42:16

know. I just wanted to bring it up as

42:18

soon as you said it. Ridley's like, can

42:21

you put like four highlights in Mimi's hair

42:23

because I want to make the light shine

42:25

off it? And I got, can you wet

42:27

the street again? But when Lorraine Baracko punches

42:29

down Beringer, it sounds like Jackson Dark clapping.

42:33

It's a second after the punch. Um,

42:37

let me watch over you tonight. It's

42:40

another one. Tom's been kicked out of that

42:42

bear. Uh, Mike's been kicked out of the house.

42:44

He shows up anyway, even though TJ is

42:46

there. And then we get the whole, I

42:48

love the, the switch in the runner. Yeah. That's,

42:51

that's some bill and CR shit

42:53

right there. Scoping out

42:55

the jogger, how he's running at seven o

42:57

'clock buying the exact same outfit, putting the

42:59

hood over it. Um, and

43:03

then TJ got shot. We get a little. little action

43:05

scene. And then, um, we

43:07

get the hall of mirrors action too, within the,

43:09

within the apartment. You knew that

43:11

was going to come into play when we

43:13

saw it in the beginning. It's like, these bears

43:16

are coming back. And then I got Mike

43:18

shows up at the Queens party that she's throwing,

43:20

uh, someone to watch over me playing again.

43:22

And she does like, oh, that's kind of my

43:24

song with my weird cop that stayed with

43:26

us. Um, it wouldn't work out clear. How

43:29

long are you going to wait for to forget

43:31

about you? I feel like that line, that exchange has

43:33

been in like 40 movies. Gets me

43:35

every time. Um, any

43:37

others for rewatching us? I feel

43:39

like it's, uh, we've got like 40

43:41

some minutes and you're just having

43:43

said Joey Lanza yet. He's

43:46

coming up. Okay. So I, I

43:48

have Venza, uh, Joey Venza. I

43:50

don't know why I wrote down

43:52

Lanza. Joey Venza. with Keegan's

43:54

family at the end is a pretty

43:56

amazing. It's ridiculous, but it's

43:59

just an incredible ridiculously compelling.

44:01

Yeah. And I also

44:03

have the Studio 54 style club,

44:05

which they shot at the beginning at

44:07

the beginning. Yeah. OK. But

44:09

my number one is. Guy,

44:12

I think it's when when Ellie finds

44:14

out about Claire, honestly, such a great

44:17

scene. I have when they go

44:19

to the Guggenheim. What's the

44:21

most 1987 thing about this movie?

44:24

I had Sting doing your

44:26

theme song or a club

44:28

blaring Steve Winwood. I

44:30

love Steve Winwood. I would

44:33

never listen to Steve Winwood

44:35

again for any reason. It

44:37

is also like a perfect

44:39

song like music to be

44:41

listening to in 1987. Yeah.

44:43

It was either that him and Peter Gabriel

44:45

in the finals for what made sense there.

44:49

What stage the best? I have a bunch of small stuff.

44:51

What do you have? I have a bunch of small stuff

44:53

too. I really. just for

44:55

the top note is

44:57

people reacting to adultery in

44:59

an adult way. So

45:01

like, you know, it's a little bit

45:03

dated. Personal experience here. No, but just

45:05

like, I think that the crisis and

45:07

like Lorraine Brocco is not just like

45:09

you're out. Yeah. You know, it's not

45:11

like our marriage is over. She's kind

45:13

of like working with it and working

45:15

through it. I kind of liked it

45:18

like just watching them You know have

45:20

like an adult reaction to it now

45:22

would be like here's my essay for

45:24

the LA Times about when my husband

45:26

cheated on me and his name was

45:28

Mike Here's what I entered a polycule

45:30

I really like the kid Tommy Tommy

45:32

was an excellent little kid. Yeah,

45:35

he could have been super annoying. He

45:37

wasn't perfect 1987 kid with a

45:39

little cyclist hat It is just like

45:41

lay back Mac. I got my

45:43

skateboard. It's like Bart Simpson He easily

45:45

could have gone right into being

45:48

Josh Baskin's best friend and big and

45:50

been in nine other 80s movies

45:52

And number one this is an age

45:54

of the worst that's actually aged

45:56

the best and it's one of the

45:58

little details of this movie that

46:00

makes it worth completely rewatching One of

46:03

the other cops is this guy

46:05

named Coots Yeah, and when he when

46:07

Keegan finds out that his family

46:09

has been taken hodge hostage by a

46:11

venza It's revealed that Coons just

46:13

has a little stud earring And I

46:16

really really thought for a second

46:18

about coming in today with a study

46:20

But just like I want I

46:22

think feeling guys should just start like

46:24

yeah check it out. I'm not

46:26

having a mid -life crisis at all That's

46:31

a good one. I

46:33

have a couple small ones. These

46:36

are just personal preferences. Cop

46:38

daughters in a movie who then marry a cop.

46:40

Yeah, Ellie. Yeah. Yeah. I like that one. They kind

46:42

of know the drill. My dad was a cop.

46:44

I'm married a cop. Yeah. I've seen some adulterers in

46:46

my day. Cops calling

46:49

other cops wives the old lady.

46:51

Yeah. When do we stop doing this? I

46:54

don't know. I don't think anybody would appreciate

46:56

it anymore. Like, Craig, how's your

46:58

old lady? Yeah, Craig. You want

47:00

to film that video later? You got to see the old

47:02

lady. Yeah, say that to Liz the next time she's in

47:04

the office. She'll love that. The old

47:06

lady, I think, when do you think it

47:08

went away? Like early 2000s? I think

47:10

it went away like in the in the

47:12

80s. Like, I think this is the

47:14

last gasp. This was the last old lady.

47:16

I don't remember anyone ever referring to

47:19

even my mother as how's your old lady

47:21

doing? It's offensive. It's the

47:23

rare thing that's offensive to all

47:25

parties. It's offensive to the person you're

47:27

saying it to. It's offensive to the lady. Everyone

47:29

loses. I

47:32

mentioned this earlier, but all the

47:34

all the Lorraine Brocco scenes knowing good

47:36

fellas is coming. It just makes

47:38

me laugh. Two -way

47:40

mirrors. Yep. For the

47:42

perp ID. Any cop scene for the

47:45

perp ID. I just have always enjoyed

47:47

them and might put one in my

47:49

house. I'm kidding.

47:55

I don't know if you picked this up, but it's

47:57

a great what's aged the best. Mike's

47:59

wearing this old school 80s

48:01

jet sweatshirt in the kitchen.

48:04

And it's a sweatshirt that had a collar and they

48:06

only made these for a couple years. I used

48:09

to have the Pat's one, but I lost it. perfect

48:11

that he's a Jets fan. And it's, it's actually

48:13

New York's Zach Exchange show. see. You're right. Gaston,

48:15

oh. They, they keep reps

48:17

are cracking down. They shouldn't have had like them

48:19

go to a Jets game. That could have fit

48:21

in this. But, but it's a really nice sweatshirt.

48:23

I want to. to point that out.

48:26

A New York guy pronouncing the word idea

48:28

as idea. That's

48:31

a pretty good idea, Claire. Barringer's

48:34

apartment you mentioned, and then cops hanging out

48:36

with their families. I got one more for

48:38

you. And I know you I know you

48:40

picked up on this. it a good idea?

48:42

No, it's Scotty Barringer's bachelor friend who he

48:44

moves in with his apartment. He's got the

48:46

bunk beds. Oh, yeah. Check

48:48

out the bathroom real nice. Yes. But that

48:50

was the end. He's just like

48:53

we're gonna have to figure out

48:55

the bedroom because what does he

48:57

say like Renee is a Moner?

48:59

Yeah screamer. I had a heat

49:01

check for like two minutes Great

49:03

check order award would you have?

49:06

I love this shot of Bairinger on

49:08

the New York 80s subway standing up.

49:10

I had the same thing I like

49:12

the shot of him on the subway

49:14

with the handles. Yeah, yeah

49:17

Ridley just beautiful Probably

49:19

spent two days storyboarding that and doing

49:21

it and then gets the punch completely

49:23

wrong. Come on, Ridley. Denetheves

49:26

Benihana Award, scene

49:28

stealing location, the New York City apartment. The

49:31

Guggenheim cool. Guggenheim is really high. Kid

49:33

Cuddy Presidio Happiness Award. Would you go

49:35

Steve Winwood or Roberta Flack at the

49:37

end? I'd go Roberta.

49:40

Okay. Oh, a

49:42

category we rarely get to give out.

49:44

The Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece

49:46

of Real Estate. Claire's

49:49

apartment, which I was always like, I, when

49:51

I was doing the research for the movie, I

49:53

was like, I can't wait to find out

49:55

where they filmed this in this apartment. And

49:58

sadly found out that it was

50:00

at Burbank Studios that they made the

50:02

apartment from scratch. And it's

50:04

upper East side is supposed to be. Supposed

50:07

to be. Okay. I mean, I guess then

50:09

Guggenheim gets best real estate, right? I

50:11

guess they did a great job. Creating

50:13

a fake New York City apartment though.

50:15

That's like I love the nightclub, which

50:17

is shot in the Queen Mary, but

50:19

it must be a New York nightclub

50:21

The Chess Rockwell and Broccoli Anderson work

50:24

for best character name win Hawkins is

50:26

the guy who gets killed in the

50:28

beginning about the win Hawkins killing Yeah,

50:30

then it kind of goes zero to

50:32

60 there on him. Is it Benza

50:34

or Benza? Benza Joey Benza

50:36

Joey I thought it was

50:38

Benza. Well, I thought it was

50:40

I think you're right. Yeah Um,

50:43

yeah, he goes from zero to

50:45

60 pretty fast You probably noticed that

50:47

the host of the party has

50:50

been stabbed to death if you're there

50:52

wondering where he seems to think

50:54

that he He's got a real like

50:56

invincibility armor to him where he's

50:58

just like yeah that nobody is gonna

51:00

ever catch me for cold -blooded first

51:02

-degree murder in a public place and

51:05

also intimidating witnesses and taking cops

51:07

family's hostages. And also I showed up

51:09

at this party and they're like,

51:11

you're not allowed in Mr. Venza. And

51:13

he's like, okay, and goes in

51:15

anyway. Win Hawking's

51:17

not kind of maybe needed one

51:19

more scene with Win to understand what

51:21

his business interests were. So, and then

51:24

also. Was he in the mafia?

51:26

Was he? he Claire's ex? Yeah,

51:28

did Claire? Seemed like

51:30

she's got that doofus guy. She

51:32

was dating Neil, but it

51:34

seems like she and win had

51:36

something. Yeah unexplored Well, we

51:38

have some smoking subcategories CR The

51:41

Sean Penn I brought my

51:43

own pack award for excellence and

51:45

on -screen smoking. Yeah, this goes

51:47

to Joey Venz's smoking while

51:49

holding a 357 magnum to a

51:51

child's head And then angrily

51:53

throwing the cigarette. So the first

51:55

time we did the fugitive

51:58

with Greenwald. Yeah We

52:00

did this whole thing about our tourists,

52:02

whatever his name is who played the

52:04

one our man in the fugitive and

52:06

Andreas Ketsules Yeah, and how he was

52:08

such a chains He was like this

52:10

there's in the research a beloved guy

52:12

on sets But was an absolute chain

52:14

smoker and the scene would end and

52:16

he would light it up and then

52:18

he died of lung cancer But he's

52:20

clearly like yo, is it cool if

52:22

I smoke in this scene and they're

52:24

like actually think for a second what

52:26

how many hands it takes to Uh,

52:28

take out a cigarette from a pack

52:30

and light it, but also Restrain a

52:32

child and hold a gun to his

52:34

head. So how many hands like we're

52:36

going to, I mean, like it's just

52:38

amazing. He probably has the kid to

52:40

hold the gun on himself. And

52:42

then we have the Edie Falco and

52:44

Kaplan award for the character that got three

52:46

times hotter by smoking. Yeah, I thought

52:49

of you. Yeah. When she, when he takes

52:51

kind of dangling from the side. What

52:53

do you have? Uh, you have a

52:55

flex category. Did we already do it? Um,

52:58

I had, uh, the Vincent Chase Award,

53:00

uh, for, are we sure this character is

53:02

actually good at this job for the

53:04

New York police department? Right.

53:06

It's just like, we know who killed Win Hawkins.

53:09

Yeah. We know exactly what he looks like and

53:11

what he's doing, but we just kind of

53:13

got to let him kind of work it out.

53:15

Nobody read him his rights when we found

53:17

Venza. Um, we can't protect

53:19

Claire. She almost gets killed in the bathroom. But

53:22

isn't that a crime in and of

53:24

itself if Claire's like Joey Venza just

53:26

beat the shit out of me in

53:28

a bathroom? Yeah, seems like it would

53:30

be something That leads to the butchers

53:32

girlfriend word for weak link of the

53:34

film, which is the last ten minutes

53:36

which includes decisions like Joey gets a

53:38

hold of Mike at a Queens party.

53:40

Uh -huh just kind of knows he's

53:42

there Thinking

53:46

you'd be there at Claire's party you

53:48

did like they like what do you have

53:50

like the entire world bugged? Yeah, how

53:52

you doing this? What's his strategy? So

53:54

he's gonna have Claire come kill Claire

53:56

and then he's gonna walk out. I don't

53:59

know. I really don't know What's what's

54:01

Mike strategy, I'm gonna bring Claire maybe she'll

54:03

just get shot, but I'll get my

54:05

family back It's one way to get out

54:07

of an affair. There's checkoffs gun from

54:09

earlier in the movie where they're like, where's

54:11

the where's the gun? And he's like,

54:13

oh, it's in the closet. Yeah He's

54:17

just gonna trade the female characters and

54:19

throw in his son as a first

54:21

-round draft pick. This is like an

54:23

NFL draft trade. It's like

54:25

the Falcons moving up for Pierce. I

54:28

do like that the

54:30

wife shoots Joey. Yeah,

54:32

and I do think it's a pretty

54:35

funny tough beat for Claire. But

54:38

this is the reason that this

54:40

movie is not considered a classic because

54:42

the last 10 minutes just... But

54:44

this is an 80s thing. Sometimes

54:47

they just didn't know how to end

54:49

movies, and they just made the movie

54:51

anyway. Like, what are we

54:53

gonna do about the ending? I don't

54:55

know, let's just - Ben's a kidnap everybody.

54:57

I will say, I had it in

54:59

maybe what's aged the worst, but we

55:01

just did have a decade where the

55:03

bad guys in movies were psychos. And

55:05

now we try to ascribe all this

55:07

like meaning and like motivation to like

55:09

why bad guys and shows and movies

55:11

do things Like why is he doing

55:13

this back then? It was just like

55:15

the guys in commando, which is right,

55:17

right? This guy's just blood thirsty maniac

55:19

What's age the worst? Claire

55:22

having a painting of herself. Yeah, it's

55:24

a rich person move. I've never understood it

55:27

Like what's that? Oh, it's I had

55:29

this artist come do a portrait of

55:31

me. Yeah oil painting of me It's

55:33

more like 19th century English people did

55:35

that, but I don't know Yeah, let's

55:38

get rid of that The fake punch

55:40

sound we talked about and then there's

55:42

that one scene when Mike's in the

55:44

hospital and Orback who's like doesn't realize

55:46

he's gonna be in crimes of misdemeanors

55:48

in a much better movie in two

55:50

years So he's really gotta go for

55:52

the Oscar and he's like is it

55:55

love Mike? Hope so yeah, I wanted

55:57

to be worth it for your sake,

55:59

but he's really trying to act incredible

56:01

like workplace like Changes over the decades

56:03

is like this captain is like so

56:05

tell me a little bit about this

56:07

More than just sex or what else

56:09

do you have for one stage the

56:11

worst? I just I just had to

56:14

focus on this the sound effect I

56:16

don't know why really Scott can't just

56:18

go in and fix that as a

56:20

digital like for to be to be

56:22

given like $5 ,000. Yeah Not a bad

56:24

idea Ruff -Lohan

56:26

and Rubenick Partridge over acting word.

56:28

Venza! Or also, Venza,

56:31

when he's like, I give the

56:33

order. I don't take orders. Yeah. Or

56:36

when Venza first gets Mimi Rogers in the bathroom

56:38

at the party, and the first thing he says

56:40

to her is like, don't say a word! He's

56:44

screaming at the top of his lungs.

56:47

That's another, like, what stage is the worst. How does

56:50

he get in that party? How

56:52

does he sneak into the bathroom with nobody

56:54

noticing him? He's like a wanted fugitive. He also

56:56

always seems to have a tux. Yeah

56:58

Tux killer that would have

57:00

been a better idea. Oh

57:02

This will be good the CR thanks

57:04

Luke Wilson could have been hot Harrison

57:06

Ford how does take a word? Yeah,

57:08

I have a good one. What do

57:10

you have? I think Venz is the

57:12

best thing that ever happened to Mike

57:14

and Ellie I Think that his entrance

57:17

into Claire's life while dangerous and costing

57:19

wind hawkings his life It

57:21

just starts this snowball going downhill

57:23

where Mike and Ellie, they were probably

57:25

head towards a life of recrimination,

57:27

financial stress, all this stuff, struggling to

57:29

make ends meet. Then this crazy

57:31

tuxedo killer comes into the world and

57:33

it shows them what's important and

57:35

it probably reinvigorates their sex life. Or

57:40

you could say they got divorced in

57:42

12 months. It's one

57:44

of the two. Yeah,

57:46

that is. It did let a little

57:48

fire on them. They'll probably speak finally

57:50

of them. I'm going bigger and grander.

57:54

I think this had all the tools,

57:57

much like Craig's guy, Ted

57:59

McMillan, set all the

58:01

tools to be the greatest

58:03

erotic thriller of all

58:05

time. I even

58:08

think it's a better

58:10

blueprint than fatal attraction.

58:13

Okay. It's

58:16

a model that I think Then

58:18

got stolen by a bunch of

58:21

skin and max movies where a

58:23

cop protecting his social life and

58:25

they start having but then they

58:27

would actually have the sex but

58:29

you have You could have a

58:31

sex scene in the beginning with

58:33

when she's like look at my

58:36

ass my ass is dropping. It's

58:38

like let's go at it there

58:40

You got so excited to diagram

58:42

the different places we could have

58:44

humping If

58:47

we get a solo

58:49

scene with Claire, the

58:52

unrequited sex thing. Yeah, she's in

58:54

the bathtub. Okay. Phil, what

58:56

the fuck? I'm just going

58:58

to run. Running

59:01

through her playbook. Okay.

59:03

So Claire rubs one out. Yeah.

59:09

Neil comes over. He

59:11

hears the moaning. We see

59:13

that, right? We

59:15

have a couple scenes with, uh,

59:17

with Claire and Mike. Uh -huh. It's

59:20

banged nose out. Yeah. Maybe, maybe one with

59:22

Ellie, where he's not quite, he has to stop

59:24

there. Oh, and it's just like, he can't

59:26

get it up, maybe, or like, yeah. And then

59:28

some makeup sex at the end. Or maybe

59:30

he makes... This is eight sex scenes they could

59:32

have had. There is also the, like, he

59:34

could have brought home, like, an expensive dress and

59:36

dressed Ellie like Claire. Oh.

59:40

That would have really... Oh, yeah. Yeah. You've never bought

59:42

me a dress like this, Michael, or

59:44

a nightgown. Yeah,

59:47

I see when would Craig am

59:49

I crazy or is this have

59:51

all the ingredient I like I

59:53

like you breaking down erotic really

59:56

play looks like Todd McShane also

59:58

bursting into tears I think this

1:00:00

could have been anyway, we missed

1:00:02

out on that Casting what ifs

1:00:04

Mimi tested for both parts. Oh

1:00:06

interesting didn't get the Bracco part

1:00:09

She didn't get the brocco part

1:00:11

Didn't hear from them for a

1:00:13

little bit. They brought her back

1:00:15

for Claire and she did this

1:00:17

whole thing about how She knew

1:00:20

it was just for Claire. She

1:00:22

tried to dress middle on the

1:00:24

road when she was Auditioning for

1:00:26

Ridley because she was doing both

1:00:28

parts but for Claire the second

1:00:31

time Got this really nice dress

1:00:33

really tried to socialize herself up

1:00:35

and kind of inhabit the character

1:00:37

So she got it, but she

1:00:39

also did a screen test with

1:00:41

Barringer But they had

1:00:44

already screen test together because they both went out

1:00:46

for body heat. Neither of them got it. Interesting.

1:00:48

Yeah, so we're good to see you again. Here's

1:00:51

the big one though. Sharon

1:00:53

Stone screen tested for Claire

1:00:55

and then it went to Mimi

1:00:57

and then four years later

1:00:59

Flip, she gets base against the

1:01:02

Mimi doesn't. I'm sure the

1:01:04

Sharon Stones probably got the right

1:01:06

end of that deal. Sharon

1:01:08

Stone as Claire. is

1:01:10

a completely different movie because I

1:01:12

just don't think he's... I don't

1:01:14

think he's going back to going

1:01:17

back. Yeah, he's not going back.

1:01:19

But you saw what she did

1:01:21

in Basic Instinct with the cop,

1:01:23

like that guy's... 20 minutes, he's

1:01:25

doing cocaine and smoking cigs and

1:01:27

killing people. Neil McCauley, I am

1:01:29

never going back. It's

1:01:32

the thing about me. So

1:01:35

I think that probably worked out

1:01:37

correctly. I would just throw... I

1:01:40

just, I was trying to get like, I

1:01:42

was trying to figure out whether Sarandon would have

1:01:44

worked for Claire. I was

1:01:46

just thinking about that. The

1:01:51

erotic thriller. Oh

1:01:54

man, this thing, we really took

1:01:56

this to the next level. Susan

1:01:58

Sarandon? Yeah, never mind. Who

1:02:01

cares? You'd

1:02:07

have Susan Sarandon for Claire. Yeah,

1:02:11

I Don't think she worked it.

1:02:13

She would work as Ellie. I think

1:02:15

you need somebody more Queensie than

1:02:17

is Gina Davis too young Oh Gina

1:02:19

Davis or Melanie Griffith might have

1:02:21

worked as Ellie now Melanie Griffith you

1:02:23

could always feel that the damage

1:02:25

from the past and all of her

1:02:27

parts. No, I mean, okay Even

1:02:30

in like something I guess something while

1:02:32

she's she's damaged. Yeah Kidman in

1:02:34

like 95 would have been interesting. No,

1:02:36

I'm saying like eight years later.

1:02:38

Okay. Oh, okay like Post days of

1:02:40

thunder. I think your Chastain one

1:02:42

is really good. Thanks. Yeah, that's like

1:02:44

Chastain like maybe early mid -2010s. Mm

1:02:46

-hmm. Yeah, that's a really good one.

1:02:49

Demi Moore? Yeah.

1:02:53

Like maybe 93 -94

1:02:55

disclosure range? Sure.

1:02:59

I thought Mimi was really good. Let's

1:03:02

uh... Let's

1:03:04

take another break to regroup. Do

1:03:06

you just keep thinking? All

1:03:09

right, best that guy word

1:03:11

Does Andreas Katsulis qualify anymore? He

1:03:13

does right? He's mean, he's

1:03:15

definitely that guy. Yeah, only we

1:03:17

know he's Andreas Katsulis Yeah,

1:03:19

and then so he wins the

1:03:21

other one will be mark

1:03:23

Moses for me So I have

1:03:25

Tony DiBedetto as TJ who

1:03:27

also played Johnny fingers and marked

1:03:29

for death with Steven Seagal.

1:03:31

That's right So he's been

1:03:34

in two movies. He's

1:03:36

one of those guys But

1:03:38

yeah, yeah waiters a

1:03:40

word. I have Orback Orback

1:03:42

TJ possibility the cop

1:03:44

buddy who lets Mike move

1:03:46

in Scotty Rich cocky

1:03:48

murder guy when Hawking's Orback,

1:03:50

I think Orback like

1:03:52

you said he's like really

1:03:54

trying to go for

1:03:56

it and that's just like

1:03:58

Mike. What is this

1:04:00

love? Can

1:04:03

I make the case for this shooting someone make

1:04:05

you hard lady? Yeah, you can She's

1:04:07

in the movie for like a minute and

1:04:09

a half and is great. It's great when

1:04:11

she shows up again, and he's just like,

1:04:13

oh Jesus Christ Oh my god, I was

1:04:15

gonna do this later for an Ansible's but

1:04:17

does shooting someone make you hard? No, I

1:04:19

Was afraid to Google it. I didn't want

1:04:21

to get a virus. Well, you've already got

1:04:23

Craig googling full body masseuse. Yeah, yeah I

1:04:26

don't know it might. Isn't the line in

1:04:28

super bad or he's like, having a gun

1:04:30

is like having a second cock. Recasting

1:04:36

couch director city. How

1:04:39

about Dennis Franz as TJ? Sure.

1:04:41

Let's dial it up a notch. Yeah. I mean,

1:04:43

could we find a spot for Caruso in this

1:04:45

movie? Could

1:04:49

Caruso have been Scotty? Could Caruso have

1:04:51

been Mike? A little

1:04:53

early, right? But definitely like

1:04:55

in. in the vein of the stuff

1:04:57

that he's good at. He kills

1:05:00

Benza at the end. He's like,

1:05:02

stuff a legend. Yeah,

1:05:06

we could have worked Caruso in this. I

1:05:09

don't know. Like he was in, well, he

1:05:11

was in King of New York. That was

1:05:13

that was 88. I was like

1:05:15

90 90. Yeah, it's 90. I

1:05:17

just did. Yeah, it's 90. Craig

1:05:21

has a flex category choice. Can't wait for this.

1:05:23

What is it, Craig? I'm gonna

1:05:25

I'm gonna come up with a new

1:05:27

one and it's the weirdest attempt at

1:05:29

a human intimate moment when Tom Barringer

1:05:32

I'm gonna give him a D -minus

1:05:34

for his hair pulling performance of Mimi

1:05:36

Rogers and that weird sex moment yet

1:05:38

It's like he's checking to see if

1:05:40

she's wearing a wig Or a wire

1:05:42

ripping out the side of her hair.

1:05:44

It's bizarre So weirdest seduct I'm trying

1:05:46

to think what that category would be It's

1:05:50

kind of like the seductive

1:05:52

seductive Michael Douglas dancing with

1:05:54

Roxy Braxy our girl Roxy

1:05:56

could have been oh my

1:05:58

god anybody in this movie

1:06:00

friend of Ellie's yeah Half

1:06:03

-facern at research You mentioned

1:06:05

the Queen Mary thing. I

1:06:07

kind of did all my

1:06:09

research. I had a lot

1:06:11

of Mimi Rogers research. I

1:06:13

don't really have any extra

1:06:16

stuff Apex Mountain Barringer I

1:06:18

think it's platoon. Well, this

1:06:20

is 87. It's platoon. He

1:06:22

gets recognized in platoon like this

1:06:25

12 month period. Yes, you're

1:06:27

right. Mimi Rogers, she's

1:06:29

the star of this movie that

1:06:31

they're pushing the hell out of it.

1:06:34

And she's married to Tom Cruise. I feel

1:06:36

like it probably is. You

1:06:39

know, the great Bobby Wagon asked her

1:06:41

why they hadn't worked together yet. I

1:06:43

was thinking she could have easily been

1:06:45

the Gina Gershawn role in a cocktail.

1:06:48

They wanted to work together. Yeah. But

1:06:50

she wasn't. Braco.

1:06:53

No. We said

1:06:55

it was Goodfellas. Yes. Not

1:06:58

Sopranos. No. Arturus.

1:07:02

Fugitive. Ridley

1:07:05

Scott. Gladiator. It's

1:07:07

definitely not this. Definitely not this. Yeah. Someone

1:07:11

to watch over me renditions in a

1:07:13

movie. I mean, when you have three

1:07:15

of them, I think it's got to

1:07:17

be Apex Mountain. Counter. Mr.

1:07:20

Holland's Opus. Rowena

1:07:22

sings Someone to Watch Over Me.

1:07:26

And Richard Dreyfus' wife realizes that

1:07:28

maybe something's going on there

1:07:30

and she has that great performance.

1:07:32

So that might be, that's, I

1:07:35

mean, you have three of them in this, but that's

1:07:37

probably a more famous movie. I would say probably that

1:07:39

movie. Queens? Movies in

1:07:41

Queens? What are the

1:07:43

competitions? Well, I mean like a

1:07:45

lot of Goodfellas takes place in Queens, right? But

1:07:48

do people think of Goodfellas as a Queens

1:07:50

movie? Queens Boulevard? I

1:07:54

was just

1:07:56

reading the,

1:07:59

I just caught up on the Seth Rogen vs.

1:08:01

Doug Allen blood feud for the last 20

1:08:03

years that the studio reignited this week. Craig,

1:08:06

are you familiar with this? Yeah,

1:08:08

they hate each other and Seth Rogen wrote a

1:08:10

Simpsons episode that like shits on entourage and they've

1:08:13

just been going because he was going to be

1:08:15

turtle, right? He was supposed. Yeah. He

1:08:17

took a shot at it. Yeah.

1:08:19

He took a shot at entourage and

1:08:21

then there's a 2009 entourage episode

1:08:23

that starts with the characters talking about

1:08:25

knocked up for like a minute

1:08:27

and turtles like, I don't understand that

1:08:29

guy's so ugly. How does he

1:08:31

land Catherine Heigl? He's so ugly. And

1:08:33

they're just like saying how ugly

1:08:35

is for like 45 seconds. Um,

1:08:38

so it's still going. Uh, Great Queens

1:08:40

movie is coming to America. That's

1:08:43

the best Queens movie. I

1:08:45

think you're right. Um, Apex Mountain

1:08:47

for the Guggenheim? What

1:08:50

are the other candidates? Well, just like,

1:08:52

I guess the Guggenheim Museum. It just

1:08:54

looks great. Existing would probably be bigger

1:08:57

than being in... But in a movie.

1:08:59

No, in a movie. Yeah, I can't

1:09:01

remember another Guggenheim scene, actually. The only

1:09:03

other one I had for Apex Mountain

1:09:05

was rich, hot, social -egg characters. I

1:09:09

don't remember that Guggenheim

1:09:12

is that's probably the apex

1:09:14

rich rich hot socially

1:09:16

characters in a movie Really

1:09:18

needs to go up

1:09:20

a notch No, I think

1:09:22

I think talent of

1:09:25

Mr. Ripley is is hot

1:09:27

social Oh Gwyneth Paltrow's

1:09:29

character X Marge. Yeah Yeah,

1:09:31

that's pretty good. Yeah.

1:09:33

Yeah, I like that cruiser

1:09:35

Hanks Hanks Yeah Although

1:09:38

it would be pretty funny if Cruz was

1:09:40

playing Mike. And instead of the

1:09:42

sex scene, they're just laughing in bed after. He

1:09:45

spills like a cranberry juice

1:09:47

on the side table and

1:09:49

they just laugh. When he

1:09:52

trips over Tommy's skateboard, he's

1:09:54

like, Tommy! Skating!

1:09:57

Yeah, I go hanks too. Scorsese

1:10:00

or Spielberg is a little more interesting. Could

1:10:02

make the case for both. Yeah. I

1:10:04

mean, the material would lend itself probably more

1:10:06

to Scorsese, I think, especially at this

1:10:08

time. Cocaine gets involved with Mike, I think.

1:10:10

Yeah. I think Mike and Scotty have

1:10:13

a scene where they sign fucking bender

1:10:15

in the bunk beds. Yeah. He's

1:10:18

that one. Scotty's that the other?

1:10:20

Yeah, she's a screener. What role

1:10:22

would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

1:10:26

It could be win hawkings you could talk me into.

1:10:28

You could talk me into Neil. I'm going to go with

1:10:30

Coons, the cop with the stud earring. Oh,

1:10:32

just randomly thrown in there. Okay. Picking

1:10:36

knits. What

1:10:40

the fuck is Venza doing? Like,

1:10:42

what is the plan? Is

1:10:44

he Kaiser Soze? Like, how is he just

1:10:46

got... He runs rough shot up. First of all,

1:10:48

what is Venza made his money doing? Is

1:10:50

he the mob? Is he in the mafia? Yeah,

1:10:53

it seems like he's one of

1:10:55

the preeminent mafia people in New York

1:10:57

who is now slummin' it just

1:10:59

trying to kill this one lady and

1:11:01

doesn't have... people trying to kill

1:11:03

her because the beginning of the movie.

1:11:06

It's basically he is given probably

1:11:08

dirty money to win hawkings to open

1:11:10

this club or to do whatever

1:11:12

he's done And now it win is

1:11:14

buying him out He's like, I

1:11:16

don't want to be bought out. So

1:11:18

he just kills win But he

1:11:20

murders a guy in cold blood tries

1:11:22

to intimidate a witness Gets caught

1:11:24

at the Guggenheim doing it again. Yeah

1:11:27

Then gets out. Yeah, but like Isn't

1:11:29

he free? Like they're like, yeah, he's free. You didn't

1:11:31

read him as rights. So now he's out. Is he

1:11:33

out on bail or is he just out? Is the

1:11:36

case closed? I don't understand what, and there's no district

1:11:38

attorney in New York consulting on like any of this,

1:11:40

like, well, this is what we got to do here.

1:11:42

And then if he's out, why does he have to

1:11:44

kill her? And for what it's worth, as people have

1:11:46

pointed out on the internet, actually, like once a witness

1:11:48

protection takes place over a couple more than a day

1:11:50

or something, the FBI takes you to

1:11:52

like a secure location. She would not be

1:11:54

like, I'm at my apartment going out in

1:11:56

New York city a lot. Oh, people on

1:11:58

the internet pointed that out? Yeah. That's pretty

1:12:00

good. I didn't see that. That's

1:12:03

a pretty good point. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:05

She would be in a motel somewhere in

1:12:07

like, you know, Hackensack, New Jersey waiting

1:12:09

for trial. Like Kiss of Death. Yeah. When

1:12:11

they take his family because he decides

1:12:13

to go and a movie that you won't

1:12:15

see because it's not on fucking 2B.

1:12:17

Fuck you, 2B. More

1:12:20

pickin' nits. Claire

1:12:23

would never be with Neil. Neil sucks.

1:12:25

Yeah. I didn't really have to establish that

1:12:27

Neil is worth like a cajillion dollars

1:12:29

and is like a minority owner of the

1:12:31

New York Giants or something. I need,

1:12:33

I need way more ammo. Yeah. I

1:12:36

need way more ammo that Neil was,

1:12:38

he just blows. There's nothing cool about Neil

1:12:40

at all. I have to travel for

1:12:42

work. It's like your girlfriend is under constant

1:12:44

threat from the Joker Neil. Oh, and

1:12:46

he's got this handsome cop who's going to

1:12:48

protect there. And he's like, I've got

1:12:50

to go to Angola. I'll be back. Claire

1:12:55

says to Mike at one, they

1:12:57

nailed the socialite rich person stuff with

1:12:59

Claire. It's really great. But then

1:13:01

she says, I have to go for

1:13:03

a pee to Mike. I just

1:13:05

don't think she would say that. No.

1:13:08

She was like, I have to stop by the ladies room.

1:13:10

She would, it would just be class. I don't think

1:13:12

she would say that. Also, Mike would probably just stand outside

1:13:14

the ladies room. Do you know what I mean?

1:13:16

Like it wouldn't be like, oh, cool. Yeah, I'm

1:13:18

just going to get a drink and talk to the lady

1:13:20

who asked if I get hard when I shoot people. Why?

1:13:25

Why doesn't Joey just murder Claire

1:13:27

in the bathroom? I don't

1:13:30

know. It's the two of them. He

1:13:32

murdered when Hawkins. He's killed when

1:13:34

Hawkins. He will later almost kill

1:13:36

a small child. He could have

1:13:38

just stabbed Claire in the bathroom and

1:13:40

left. He could have done the

1:13:42

shot card just quick 20 quick

1:13:44

kidney shots. Instead

1:13:47

he screamed, you don't say a

1:13:49

word. Yes, it makes a lot of

1:13:51

noise. Be quiet. And then smear's

1:13:54

lipstick over her face then runs out

1:13:56

so he can get arrested. It's

1:13:58

really shock collar Sequel prequel prestige to

1:14:00

be all black cast are untouchable.

1:14:02

I think I'm all good You're good.

1:14:04

It's do you know what I

1:14:06

mean? Like I don't say even an

1:14:08

untouchable Mike the next part of

1:14:10

the category. I don't need to see

1:14:12

How Claire got here? I there's

1:14:14

no character in this where I'm like,

1:14:16

what was I under other than

1:14:18

Joey Venza? There's nobody else that like

1:14:21

I'm like, we need more of

1:14:23

this. Can I make the prestige

1:14:25

TV case? But it would be like, that

1:14:27

would be the kind of show that we

1:14:29

would watch the first episode and be like,

1:14:31

this fucking rules. And then it would be

1:14:33

like episode six. And Joey

1:14:35

Venza would be like, you know,

1:14:37

square garden to do something. Like

1:14:40

what the shit is going on? You don't

1:14:42

think this could have been an Apple show. Apple

1:14:44

loves like rich people terrible by the fifth

1:14:46

episode. Don't

1:14:48

know we can learn more about the Queens

1:14:50

some of the cops sure Scottie's divorce. Yeah

1:14:52

the Moner And then the twist would be

1:14:54

that it turns out toby was the one

1:14:56

who killed when Hawkins Craig would you watch

1:14:58

someone to watch over me on Apple? You

1:15:01

just want more moments for erotic thriller scene.

1:15:03

Yeah, you just want you just want more

1:15:05

sex scenes. It's like a star show Is

1:15:07

there a to do there are not really

1:15:09

that many erotic shows on TV stars had

1:15:11

that show where it's like the couples that

1:15:13

live next to each other in a house

1:15:15

and it's like a seems like a a

1:15:18

facsimile erotic throw show. I never watched it. I got

1:15:20

him and I don't know what show you're talking about.

1:15:22

I really like stars. Is

1:15:25

this movie better with Wayne Jenkins,

1:15:27

Danny Treyhouse, Doris Berks, Sam Jackson, Nell

1:15:29

Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo,

1:15:31

Harley Maze, Henry Hill, added

1:15:33

Henry Hill. Chris Collins worth

1:15:35

Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley

1:15:37

in the firm. God damn,

1:15:39

Andreas! I didn't know

1:15:42

I was working with a two -hour man! I

1:15:44

thought much like Tobias Harris, you

1:15:46

can't go left. Turns

1:15:48

out you can kill in the

1:15:51

name of Pro Bassick or contract law.

1:15:53

You better stop intimidating witnesses or Sergeant

1:15:55

Barnes is going to send you

1:15:57

away a long fucking time, big boy.

1:16:01

Oh, that was a really

1:16:03

good one. I'm not even going to do

1:16:06

mine. You don't want to do DB at all just

1:16:08

because it's playoff times. I

1:16:11

don't have anything prepared. How

1:16:13

is DB? Has she been doing

1:16:15

the Celtics? DB, when Mike's walking

1:16:17

the streets of New York, I

1:16:19

see you, Mike, battling this moral

1:16:21

conscience of marriage versus adultery. Um,

1:16:24

just want to ask her who gets it. Braco.

1:16:28

I think Braco. She's really good this way. great.

1:16:30

She's a supporting actress. That's great. Oh,

1:16:33

I have some really good, probably unanswerable

1:16:35

questions. How

1:16:38

loaded was Claire? Yeah,

1:16:41

that's like a generational wealth. We're

1:16:43

talking about right like is she do

1:16:45

you know what's going on here?

1:16:47

Do you think that she's like like

1:16:50

is she like one of the

1:16:52

greatest money? She talks about she's like

1:16:54

I have to go to this

1:16:56

thing because my dad funded this school

1:16:58

and dead husband Queens divorce How

1:17:00

old do we think she is? I

1:17:02

think it's family money. He's like

1:17:05

31 32 in real life when she

1:17:07

films this probably Probably engaged once

1:17:09

mm -hmm in

1:17:11

the inner 20s and the engagement got

1:17:13

broken off. And you think Neil is kind

1:17:15

of snooping around there? I think Neil

1:17:17

is like a rich guy, but doesn't make

1:17:19

her toes curl. Yeah. She's,

1:17:24

I feel like one of the kitties. a bad

1:17:26

relationship and Neil's the rebound, the safe kind

1:17:28

of like, he's, he's, he's, maybe with some guy

1:17:30

for five years, but it somehow didn't work

1:17:32

out. But I feel like she probably is supposed

1:17:34

to be like a Mary Aster kind of

1:17:36

like, you know, what does she do for a

1:17:38

living? Do we think? Nothing. Socialite

1:17:41

slash prep maybe owns a dark

1:17:43

alley charitable foundations does charitable stuff the

1:17:45

dad is probably Probably not alive

1:17:47

anymore because I feel like he would

1:17:49

have gotten involved He's also got

1:17:52

his name on a bunch of buildings

1:17:54

probably. Yes. Maybe the parents are

1:17:56

dead Maybe they died in a small

1:17:58

helicopter crash good in the early

1:18:00

80s having sex That's the first scene

1:18:02

the erotic thriller they should have

1:18:04

humped in the helicopter But

1:18:09

yeah, so she probably no

1:18:11

parents engaged, inherited all

1:18:14

this wealth, and money's just no object

1:18:16

at all times. Yeah, but it's just

1:18:18

like she doesn't, there's no feeling into

1:18:20

it. Like she's, she's not getting any

1:18:22

juice from it. But people like that,

1:18:24

they, sometimes how are they going to meet

1:18:26

people? They're so intimidating. Yeah. It's

1:18:28

like the princess diet corollary. Yeah. Or,

1:18:30

or the Tiger Woods's ex -wife when she

1:18:32

was. Smoking hot and inherited most of his

1:18:35

money and everybody was afraid to date her

1:18:37

for like four years. That's right. I forgot

1:18:39

about that. Yeah. Sometimes that happens. Uh,

1:18:41

which to be in my next understandable question.

1:18:43

Claire, one of the great catches in movie history.

1:18:45

And now she's just off to Europe. Yeah.

1:18:49

Did anyone check more boxes than

1:18:51

Claire? I mean, just, I think she

1:18:53

would just be difficult to approach. You know, you're

1:18:56

just, if you bump into her at the, at the oak bar

1:18:58

at the oak room. Yeah, you

1:19:00

really have to have a lot of confidence and

1:19:02

probably some deep wallets. I feel like Craig could

1:19:04

maybe hang for like an hour. Craig, could you

1:19:06

hang with an hour? Single Craig? Yeah, I'd talk

1:19:08

about Ted. And

1:19:10

if I'll draft stuff, talk about

1:19:12

the Dany's. She'd

1:19:17

love to hear about the Dany's. Yeah. So

1:19:20

tell me more about hyphens. So one of them

1:19:22

lives in... Fascinating. Good chemistry. One of them lives

1:19:24

in DC and the other's in Seattle. Why are

1:19:26

you so interested in what I do? So

1:19:29

it's in the NFL draft, lady. My

1:19:34

last unanswerable, this is a really good

1:19:36

one. Great

1:19:38

movie breakups where it's just like, I'm

1:19:40

not sure this person's going to

1:19:42

be the same anytime soon. This is

1:19:44

way up there. What do Claire's

1:19:46

next three boyfriends look like after this?

1:19:49

She's been murdered over feed of an Italian

1:19:51

count next. She's got to go

1:19:53

for the stars next. Well, it's

1:19:55

like when Ian Hathaway, when she was... that

1:19:57

guy that I think she was engaged to

1:19:59

and he was that rich Italian dude, but

1:20:01

then it turned out he was a complete

1:20:03

phony con artist Yeah, it was a con

1:20:05

artist and then it was like what it

1:20:07

like after that who do you? Yeah, you

1:20:10

on Raya after that? But like yeah, I'd

1:20:12

love to meet somebody like you're just like

1:20:14

I never want to meet anyone again Yeah,

1:20:16

I just don't know what her next three

1:20:18

look like probably like I think she goes

1:20:20

super old It would be great if late

1:20:22

70s if she dated like Wally Backman next That's

1:20:31

a pretty girl. She's dating. Yeah, I'm dating Gerald

1:20:33

Wilkins. He's on the next. He's the start of

1:20:35

two guards. Uh,

1:20:41

the Zewantnair word. What happened the next day?

1:20:43

Mike and Ellie break up. He's made destitute

1:20:45

by the divorce has to pick up another

1:20:47

job working security and dies of a heart

1:20:49

attack. Start smoking heavily.

1:20:52

Yeah. I have the

1:20:54

same. What piece of memorabilia

1:20:56

would you want or not want from

1:20:58

this movie? I definitely would not want the

1:21:00

bunk bed in Scotty's bachelor pad. I

1:21:03

Love when he's like yeah bunk beds,

1:21:05

you know kids I Would like the

1:21:07

jet sweatshirt to give it to Sean

1:21:09

I had to give it to federal

1:21:11

had that and or the tie but

1:21:13

the jet sweatshirt I wonder if it's

1:21:16

findable in eBay the coach Finstock or

1:21:18

for best life lesson What

1:21:20

the hell is so great about being

1:21:22

married marriage is an idea whose time

1:21:24

has come and gone is an actual

1:21:26

quote in this movie The 1987 yeah,

1:21:28

yeah from Scotty. What do you think

1:21:30

about? I

1:21:33

Was gonna say like I was

1:21:35

trying to articulate the light like is

1:21:37

it is a good that Mike

1:21:39

cops to the falling for Claire to

1:21:41

Ellie Like could you

1:21:43

have just played that like yeah, look

1:21:45

it's a couple nice shift story. I don't

1:21:47

think he wants to she kind of

1:21:49

breaks him down No, she doesn't he like

1:21:51

he's cool clearly. He even make eye

1:21:53

contact with her. Yeah Well, I think they

1:21:55

have such good relationship. He doesn't want

1:21:57

to hide stuff from her. That's how I

1:21:59

interpreted it Yeah, I think that the

1:22:01

marriage was a good wife lessons Best double

1:22:03

future choice. I had jagged edge. So

1:22:06

87 just again The 2B greatest,

1:22:08

almost like how the NBA was.

1:22:10

That was one of the best

1:22:12

NBA years. I had Black

1:22:14

Widow, but you also could have talked

1:22:16

me into Fatal Traction, Jagged Edge, or a

1:22:18

couple other movies from that. But I

1:22:20

think it has to be another 87 movie

1:22:22

to get because I had Black Widow

1:22:24

because that's another movie. I

1:22:26

think that would also might be a 2B movie. Black

1:22:29

Widow is? Deborah Winger and Teresa Russell.

1:22:31

Yeah, but Jagged Edge is a couple of

1:22:33

years before. Glenn Close plays a lawyer.

1:22:35

Oh, right. That's 85. Yeah. But

1:22:37

I think Suspect is 87, which is another

1:22:39

with Dennis Quaid and Cher, another

1:22:41

2BL star. But Black Widow,

1:22:43

it's another one where the first 90 %

1:22:45

of the movie is awesome. And then

1:22:47

the last 10 minutes, you're like, what the

1:22:49

fuck? That's the ending? Well, this is

1:22:51

the thing with someone to watch over me

1:22:53

is a way better midlife crisis movie

1:22:55

than it is a cop movie. Yeah.

1:23:00

Really tough one. Who won the movie? I

1:23:05

think it's a push among the actors. It

1:23:08

would be kind of crazy to give it to Braco, so

1:23:10

I'm gonna go Ridley. I

1:23:13

think it's Mimi or Braco. But

1:23:16

I think it's Mimi because this

1:23:18

movie left me... Wishing she'd done more.

1:23:20

Yeah, Braco got to be in

1:23:22

some good stuff. Mimi, it's

1:23:24

like, what? Felt

1:23:26

like there was more there. Maybe there could have

1:23:28

been some... could she have been the lead

1:23:30

of Law & Order SVU for like 25 years?

1:23:32

you say that she was like a great

1:23:34

poker player too? Yeah. I mean, maybe she was

1:23:36

I'm fascinated by her. ...taken down big pots.

1:23:38

Maybe we just need to have her on the

1:23:40

rewatchable to just dive in the stuff. the

1:23:42

vault. Yeah. Figure out what's going on with her. All

1:23:45

right, this is really, really exciting. Craig had no

1:23:47

idea what this movie was. What'd you think, Craig?

1:23:49

I don't know what it says about me that

1:23:51

now I'm like, minority report, not for

1:23:53

me. And then this movie, I'm like, pretty

1:23:55

good. I'm

1:23:58

just into this now. You guys have converted

1:24:00

me. Do you think you like it more

1:24:02

now after Bill started crying, laughing, talking about all

1:24:04

the places that they could have fucked? Yeah,

1:24:06

I love that. Mallory has

1:24:08

my back. Yeah, my ass is not as

1:24:10

tight as it used to be. Jump in

1:24:12

there. Right. Perfect spot. Let

1:24:14

me build yourself a steam up. Yeah,

1:24:17

I don't know. These do it for me

1:24:19

now. It's like scouting Abdul Carter's boring.

1:24:21

I want like a fourth round tackle out

1:24:23

of Chattanooga, you know? And that's what

1:24:25

this movie is. It's a couple squares short

1:24:27

of 80s movie bingo, but it hits

1:24:29

a lot of them, you know? You get

1:24:31

the... The love triangle. You got like

1:24:34

the twangy guitar sound like in between scenes.

1:24:36

You got dance club. I think this

1:24:38

is hairdo Apex Mountain. Yeah. This is the

1:24:40

Wade LeBron and Bosch big three of

1:24:42

eighties hairdos out of the three of them.

1:24:44

Yeah. The best mom hair I've ever

1:24:46

seen. It's like bordering on Marge Simpson. Yeah.

1:24:48

Yeah. Yeah. But it's just no gratuitous

1:24:51

nudity. We have to have that. No sex

1:24:53

scene. It's a huge miss. I was

1:24:55

almost wondering if I was watching the TV

1:24:57

cut. Yeah. I was like, did I

1:24:59

admit like Is there really no nudity in

1:25:01

this movie? I mean, there's like nothing.

1:25:03

bare, bare -in -jur -ass. Yeah, because

1:25:06

I think I honestly don't understand it. That's

1:25:08

really like... I think he was trying

1:25:10

to make it very tasteful and But it's

1:25:12

really like he's not really like a

1:25:14

big, crazy nudity sex guy, he? know, Sigourney

1:25:16

Weaver at the end of Aliens in

1:25:18

her underwear, Mimi Rogers is like in a

1:25:20

turtleneck the whole time. Right. Right.

1:25:24

Well, it's an interesting choice because like

1:25:26

Mimi's tall and she's... I'll say the

1:25:28

word Buxom. And they really try to

1:25:30

hide or close the entire movie. You

1:25:32

don't know it because it's all about

1:25:34

like her hair and her face. What

1:25:36

is it? I guess it must be

1:25:38

like fall in New York. I mean,

1:25:40

like it's appropriate for like the weather

1:25:42

and like whatever. That's why we needed

1:25:45

the jet scene. We needed a jet

1:25:47

scene. Imagine if Mike takes Claire to

1:25:49

the Jets. Oh, my God. He

1:25:51

was like, I wanted to show you some

1:25:54

of my world. So we're going to sit

1:25:56

next to Fireman and Munch Castile. Some kid

1:25:58

in a Johnny Lam Jones jersey throws up

1:26:00

next to her. She

1:26:02

starts booting up Miller Lite. Mike is

1:26:04

really borderline concussed when she's like, do you

1:26:06

you want to go grab a drink?

1:26:08

He like sits there and thinks about it

1:26:10

for 15 seconds. Yeah. like, He's like,

1:26:12

cocktails, huh? Yeah. I'm like, well, what's Mike's

1:26:14

deal? Let's go have those cocktails. This

1:26:17

would have been a good category. Should Mike have had

1:26:19

a mustache? Would you give

1:26:21

a year? Cause he had three years years

1:26:23

earlier he should have, but this was 80,

1:26:25

cents. We're we're getting towards the nineties. So

1:26:27

I think guys were. Yeah. That category we

1:26:29

have about, did this movie need a sports

1:26:31

scene? This movie so clearly needs a jet

1:26:33

scene with him going to the jets three

1:26:35

of his buddies. Not with Claire, but when

1:26:38

they're like, so Mikey, what's going on with

1:26:40

you and that rich broad? It would be

1:26:42

funny if there was like a. Tommy skateboarding

1:26:44

sequence where he's like doing all these tricks

1:26:46

and stuff, but Mike's just daydreaming about nailing Tommy

1:26:49

breaks ankle. I would like to say

1:26:51

good morning to Mimi I was

1:26:53

unfamiliar with her game. Yeah. Yeah. So what'd

1:26:56

you think? Were you surprised that this was basically

1:26:58

the best movie she's been in? Yeah. Her

1:27:00

name is a name I've always known, but I

1:27:02

could never put a face to it. I

1:27:04

could not have told you a movie she's in

1:27:06

and I mean, she's up there.

1:27:08

It's an incredible, can't

1:27:10

believe her and Cruz

1:27:12

were a couple.