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believe you are a hater. We are

1:10

gonna talk about the women's national championship

1:12

game in a minute. But first, thank

1:15

you guys for joining me. In my

1:17

return. Your boy been gone for a

1:19

little while. took a couple weeks, went

1:21

over to Indo-China, you know what I'm

1:23

saying? I think it's still okay to

1:25

call it that. If it's not, my

1:27

bad. Hey Sean, I got a question

1:29

for you, and I'm not just asking

1:31

you this because, you know what I'm

1:33

saying, but like, are you a

1:35

little bit surprised that the hotel

1:38

is still called the Mandarin Oriental?

1:40

Yeah, it's a tough, that's a

1:42

tough look, but I guess it's

1:44

got that prestige that, you know,

1:46

it'll never rub off, I guess?

1:49

I guess it honestly is making

1:51

me wonder if the people involved

1:53

have a problem with oriental right

1:55

like we have just we like

1:57

clearly oriental is an antiquity it's

1:59

not the sort of thing that

2:02

we say anymore. However, ain't nobody

2:04

marching outside the Mandarin oriental, right?

2:06

Like, what would expect that the

2:08

shutdown would take place? Like, it

2:10

really had me rethinking. Like, Dale,

2:13

like, maybe I got it wrong.

2:15

You know, like, it's one thing

2:17

when it's mascots in sports, but

2:19

when it's a really five-star luxury

2:21

hotel, we come back away, you

2:23

know? That's the thing, man, the

2:25

Mandarin is dope. But anyway, I

2:27

don't think it. Okay, either way,

2:29

I was far far away. And

2:31

I have historically not

2:34

always been the greatest

2:36

at like being on

2:38

vacation and going on

2:40

vacation. And I did a very

2:43

good job of it this time.

2:45

The only two stories that cut

2:47

through the noise while I

2:49

was gone. One of them

2:51

was that story about the

2:53

group chat with the reporter.

2:56

and all the the the

2:58

the the Trump people remember

3:00

that that was one of them

3:02

the other one was that whole

3:04

LeBron James Stephen A. Smith thing

3:07

that I had lots of thoughts

3:09

on but it's a little

3:11

bit too late otherwise I was

3:13

out here man I ain't really

3:15

here none of it I wasn't

3:17

keeping up on any of it I got

3:19

back home on Thursday morning and

3:21

I mean I would be honest with

3:23

you man I was having a little

3:26

bit of a tough time getting myself back

3:28

ready. to come to work. Part

3:30

of why I timed a vacation

3:32

when I did was it was

3:34

the NCAA tournament. I hadn't really

3:36

been keeping up on college basketball.

3:38

It would be a good time for

3:40

me to go ahead and make a

3:43

move, you know what I'm saying? And

3:45

then I came back. I saw all

3:47

four number one seats, had made it

3:49

to the final four. I didn't know

3:52

how I felt about that. I realized

3:54

I had not watched three of those

3:56

teams, played even a minute of basketball.

3:58

And then I look. did how the

4:01

brackets might have shaken out and

4:03

it was possible that it was

4:05

going to be a championship game

4:07

that would I don't know what

4:09

natural disaster I would have

4:11

been rooting for but like there was

4:13

there was things that could have happened

4:15

that would have that would have like

4:18

made that go you know what I'm

4:20

saying but then Saturday I'm at the

4:22

day La Casa I watched the Auburn

4:24

and Florida game and I'm not saying

4:26

the good guys one, I'm not even

4:28

saying the good guy one, I am

4:30

saying the bad guy lost and that

4:32

bad guy is that Bruce Pearl. There's

4:35

something nice to say about Bruce

4:37

Pearl, one of you has it, I'm

4:39

not one of those people. I take

4:41

great joy in watching him lose, I

4:44

greatly appreciated that. And so then the

4:46

next game came on and it was

4:48

the University of Houston

4:50

versus Duke. And I just want

4:52

to point out that my

4:54

buddy Joe from Missouri City,

4:56

his weird ass, he came on

4:59

here on my show the other

5:01

day and tried to literally take

5:03

a friend away from me because

5:05

he felt that I had

5:07

not properly put on from

5:09

the city of Houston and

5:12

had not properly rooted for

5:14

the Houston Cougars. in the basketball

5:16

season. I never mind the fact

5:18

I wouldn't pay no attention to

5:20

the whole damn thing, but Joe

5:22

in again, a really perplexing attempt

5:25

to try to take a friend

5:27

away from me, even though I

5:29

don't think that friend of mine

5:31

would hang out with him ever.

5:33

And so I'm watching Houston play.

5:35

against Duke in the game and

5:38

if we're being honest about this

5:40

and this has always been this

5:42

case with Calvin Samson basketball you

5:44

can only really root for him

5:46

if you already root for him right

5:48

it's an aesthetically unpleasant sort of

5:50

basketball I saw somebody say that

5:53

their practice looks like all they

5:55

do is run suicides and punch

5:57

each other in the mouth I

5:59

say look like they don't even,

6:01

they practice without a basketball. Like that's

6:03

just, that's just what they do. They

6:06

go hard. They got a bunch of

6:08

dudes that look like they got a

6:10

bunch of dudes that look like they

6:12

don't even think they're gonna go

6:14

to the NBA, right? And so I'm

6:16

watching them and Duke is clearly more talented,

6:19

right? Duke is kind of kind of

6:21

giving them to work. They really are,

6:23

you know, and so you get to

6:25

the end of the game. I want to say

6:27

it's about four minutes left. So I'm

6:30

in my living room, it's a

6:32

four-point game, it's getting late, you

6:34

know, my body's in between time

6:37

zones or whatever. And so I'm

6:39

like, all right, I'll go watch the

6:41

rest of the game in my bedroom,

6:43

in my bed, that I miss so much

6:45

while I was gone. Okay? I understand

6:48

that some of you guys don't appreciate

6:50

what I try to put you up on

6:53

game like this. You think I'm just... throwing

6:55

money in your face and that's not what

6:57

I'm doing. I am telling you, however, a

6:59

point that I have been made for you

7:02

a few different times. And that point is,

7:04

you need to get the best mattress that

7:06

you can afford. Have a much mattress you

7:08

can afford. You should never spend, you should

7:11

never try to save money on your mattress.

7:13

And so I spent what most would consider

7:15

to be a lot of money on my

7:18

mattress and it is glorious. It just hugs

7:20

me. It really, really does. The problem

7:22

is when you got your dream mattress

7:24

at your dream mattress at home. it hotel

7:26

mattresses especially when you start going to

7:28

other countries it ain't the same for

7:31

your lumbars you feel what I'm saying

7:33

so anyway I went to go get

7:35

into my wonderful bed and watch the

7:37

last four minutes of that game and

7:39

then when I got back to my

7:42

wonderful bed I turned on television and

7:44

Sean the television wanted me to agree

7:46

to some new terms of service The

7:48

new terms and conditions? And I'm like, what are

7:50

you talking about? Like, I forget that the

7:53

TV can do this stuff, right? It's all

7:55

like, it was new terms and conditions, and

7:57

then after I do that, it's like, go

7:59

to the setting. and add a new password.

8:01

What the fuck my TV got a

8:03

password, right? Like what are you talking

8:06

about? Like all these things that happen.

8:08

Like what's going on? Like what

8:10

is... The TV just knows when

8:12

you're coming back from a break

8:14

and they do it at the

8:16

moment. The last absolute moment you

8:18

want to be doing this. The

8:20

TV's like why don't I sign,

8:22

re-sign Bo up? Yeah, right, like I don't

8:24

care about any and stuff, right?

8:26

So I'm fumbling. It's a nine

8:28

point game with like three minutes

8:30

or something like that. And I'm

8:33

like, oh, this game is definitely

8:35

over. There's no chance that Houston

8:37

is gonna win this, but I've

8:39

already got the TV on. So

8:41

I'm gonna go ahead and watch

8:43

this. My brother said that he

8:45

actually turned the game off because

8:48

he could not stand the misery

8:50

of watching Duke. Go ahead and

8:52

win that. And buddy, he lost

8:54

out. The details barely even matter.

8:56

The University of Houston. They did

8:59

it for the third war. They did it

9:01

for the South Side. They even did it

9:03

for the North Side. They did it for

9:05

acres homes. They did it for the Sunnyside.

9:08

They even did it for the boys in

9:10

the suburbs. They even did it for the

9:12

boys out in the country. They didn't just

9:14

do it for the state of Texas because

9:17

they did it in San Antonio. Hell no.

9:19

They did it for the culture.

9:21

They did it for the,

9:23

they did it for America.

9:25

White folks, gangsters and the

9:27

thugs. They did it for

9:29

everybody that was ever raised

9:31

right in this world and

9:33

they sent Duke the fuck

9:35

up out of here. I

9:38

don't know where to begin

9:40

in talking about my level

9:42

of joy. And again, I was

9:44

kind of feeling like... I wasn't

9:46

feeling it all. It had me

9:48

wondering if I still had an

9:51

enemy in some ways to do

9:53

this because normally I'm so excited

9:55

to get back from vacation. Boy

9:57

I saw Duke catch that L.

10:00

And this is after we had heard

10:02

about how they was mad about their

10:04

portrayal in the white Lotus, we'll get

10:06

back to that in a second. Sean, go

10:08

ahead and put it on the screen.

10:10

This is the best part. This is

10:12

from Cameron Indoor Stadium. They had a

10:14

watch party. This is what it looked

10:16

like when they realized they was getting

10:19

that ass tapped. Look at them. Look

10:21

how silent they are. Put them dorts back

10:23

on the screen. You can run this on

10:25

a loop forever. Ever I tell you

10:27

ever it could just be just

10:30

the joint with the arrows when

10:32

you play on Spotify there you

10:34

go look at them. They look

10:36

so just just just a collection

10:38

of silent dorks. Yeah Yeah, you

10:41

go you losers. There you go.

10:43

Okay, you can take him down now.

10:45

No, one more time, one more time,

10:47

one more time, my pad, one more

10:50

time. I didn't mean to take the

10:52

joy away from the people. Okay, now

10:54

we good. Now we good. Now we

10:56

good. Hell yeah! Do you see my

10:59

legitimate excitement about this? Do you understand

11:01

the pure, all short? Just great.

11:03

Like, you're a little younger, so

11:05

you word around for just the

11:07

peak time of hating Duke. But

11:09

man, that made my day. Yeah, it was

11:11

great when you hopped on before we started

11:13

the show and you're like, you know, I

11:16

really didn't want to do a show obviously

11:18

coming back from vacation, but the fact that

11:20

Duke lost, now I'm excited. And I was

11:22

like, yeah, we're getting peak bow right now.

11:24

This is peak hater, Duke, bow. This is

11:27

what people have like known and loved about

11:29

you when you get hot and you get

11:31

excited about Duke losing. Yeah, yeah, no,

11:33

no, no. And it's interesting because

11:35

like people are putting it on Cooper

11:37

flag. He got called for the foul

11:39

on the box out. He missed a

11:42

shot at the end. Hey, man, missing

11:44

shots happens. But he has had this

11:46

run where he had two different games

11:48

at crunch time where he just fell

11:50

down and then he missed that shot right

11:52

there at the end. And I have to

11:55

say about Cooper flag. He doesn't

11:57

seem nearly as insufferable as

11:59

I would. expect somebody named

12:02

Cooper flag to be. You know

12:04

what I'm saying? Like you put a

12:06

dude named Cooper, and he plays for

12:08

Duke. It was bound to be

12:10

as bad as we thought it

12:13

would be, and it actually didn't

12:15

end up being as bad, right?

12:17

Yeah, you think about this for

12:19

a second. There is a, like, a

12:21

chasm, shall we say, a chasm between

12:23

what it means if we call

12:25

you coop because your last

12:27

name is Cooper. Or we call you

12:30

coop because your first name is

12:32

Cooper. Like, they're not the

12:34

same. Two major differences. Yeah. They

12:36

don't sound the same at all.

12:38

Like you go into a room

12:40

and be like, hey, you'll coop.

12:42

And depending on who pops up,

12:44

you know whether it's a first

12:46

name coop or last name coop.

12:48

I have sweet mate, we call

12:50

coop. He last name coop. Obviously,

12:52

right. This Cooper flag, duh. First

12:54

day and coop. Whatever it is.

12:56

Duke caught that ill. Now I

12:58

want to say something in

13:01

a like small bit of a

13:03

hold on. Hold on. There is

13:05

somebody in the chat room

13:08

who says, and I quote,

13:10

only partially likable

13:12

Duke team was the

13:15

Shane Batier Jason Williams

13:17

team. What? Shane Batier

13:19

is the first name you

13:22

said. and you thought that

13:24

that was the partially likable

13:26

due team. No, the only

13:28

partially likable due team was

13:31

the 1999 due team with

13:33

Elton Brand, Corey McGettie, Will

13:35

Avery, Trajan Langdon, Chris Carroll,

13:37

and Shane Batier coming off

13:40

the bench, his presence was

13:42

muted. That one right there.

13:44

You talking about the Shane

13:47

Batier team was partially likable.

13:49

In fact, Sean, can you ask

13:51

perplexity, the most hateable Duke

13:53

team ever? I'm just curious

13:55

what's perplexity will have to say.

13:57

Yeah, let me, let me put it up right

13:59

now. we'll watch the search in real

14:02

time. Yeah, yeah, go ahead and see

14:04

this. That's what I want to know.

14:06

on this one but no I've been

14:08

seeing people try to make the argument

14:11

well it's not even an argument I

14:13

think it's something that people have lost

14:15

sight of like I don't think that

14:18

citing how many five-star recruits Duke has

14:20

had in the last 10 years and

14:22

the fact they haven't won a national

14:25

championship I don't think that really makes

14:27

what I think is the most important

14:29

point oh wow hold on we'll get

14:32

back to that so perplexity did their

14:34

own hateable Duke starting five with evidence

14:36

yes at point guard Grace and Alan

14:39

shooting guard Jay Jay J Radik, small

14:41

forward Shane Batie, obviously, power forward Kyle

14:43

Singler, center Christian Latiner, and they gave

14:46

us a whole bench lineup as well.

14:48

Yeah, because I think, first of all,

14:50

I think Kyle Sing was getting a

14:53

bad rap, and second of all, is

14:55

their argument, I'm not sure how they

14:57

put together the starting lineup, because Grace

15:00

and Allen, you know, he and Justice

15:02

Winslow. on that team. I feel like

15:04

they were the last for real, like,

15:07

oh yeah, y'all Duke guys. Both of

15:09

them like hitting people in the nuts.

15:11

Can't stand them, either one, even if

15:14

Justice Winslow is from Houston, can't stand

15:16

either one of them. Uh, J.J. Redick,

15:18

yeah, Kyle Singler, you know, he's had

15:21

a bad rap lately, and in perplexing

15:23

he says, though not as universally despised

15:25

as others, that is correct. Greg Paulus,

15:28

that great Paulus, Austin Rivers, Danny Ferry,

15:30

and the most hateable ducky of all

15:32

Steve Wojowski. Yeah, I'm shocked he wasn't

15:35

a starter. Yeah, I just feel like

15:37

perplexity might be too young to understand

15:39

what it is since he didn't go

15:41

to the NBA or anything like that.

15:44

But back to what I was the

15:46

lecture at hand, and thank you, perplexity.

15:48

Oh, Daddy Ferry. Daddy Ferry was hateable

15:51

then. Then he got much more hateable,

15:53

you know, after he said that whole

15:55

thing about Luol Dang having a bunch

15:58

of African in them. And it was

16:00

a very thorough, like, what having a

16:02

lot of African... it'll admit I thought

16:05

he was just gonna say he smelled

16:07

bad right no no no he went

16:09

all the way through like not that

16:12

not that I think that Luol Dang

16:14

smells bad just say that sound like

16:16

something that Danny Ferry was say about

16:19

him anyway yes they've had 32 five-star

16:21

recruits in the last 10 years they

16:23

have not won a national championship what

16:26

people don't get is that Duke made

16:28

a decision about 15 years ago that

16:30

they were going to get into the

16:33

one and done game and they had

16:35

stayed away from it for the longest.

16:37

Kiree Irving is the paradigm shifting recruit.

16:40

Well, John Wall was the paradigm shifting

16:42

recruit. Kiree Irving was the one who

16:44

shifted and they actually got him to

16:47

come on campus, right? And so that

16:49

leads you to a run of Kiree

16:51

Irving who leads you into Austin rivers,

16:54

who gets you to Jabari Parker, who

16:56

gets you to just... Yeah, Justice Winslow

16:58

and Joe Loegifer and Tice Jones, and

17:01

it gets you to Zion eventually, like

17:03

all of those guys. But while Duke

17:05

was not winning any championships by taking

17:08

this approach, Calipari, I mean, he basically

17:10

wound up losing his job at Kentucky

17:12

by holding on to this approach. What

17:14

nobody talked about was... Duke got embarrassed

17:17

in the 2009 NCAA tournament and it

17:19

made them realize they needed to change

17:21

everything. Though I was, look, I was

17:24

in North Carolina at the time, I

17:26

was doing radio there, I was covering

17:28

it. The biggest change that those people

17:31

wanted was not even so much that

17:33

they go out there and that they

17:35

get a bunch of five-star recruits. What

17:38

they wanted them to do was to

17:40

go out there and go get some

17:42

black people. I was there and I

17:45

know that that was how they wanted

17:47

because I remember doing radio for that

17:49

2008-9 season and everybody kept talking about

17:52

coming in that year and they were

17:54

just like Duke the recruiting has turned

17:56

around and when they were talking about

17:59

how the recruiting had turned around they

18:01

were talking about a recruiting class that

18:03

was going to feature Josh Harrison Tyler

18:06

Thornton and Andre Dawkins. Andre Dawkins eventually

18:08

had to get into school a year

18:10

early because Does somebody, Ellie Williams, all

18:13

this stuff? All I'm telling you is,

18:15

getting those guys does not necessarily mean

18:17

you're going to win a national championship.

18:20

That's not necessarily the path. What we've

18:22

seen happen for teams to win national

18:24

championships is you need a bunch of

18:27

grown men that look like it has

18:29

got off work at UPS. Like that's

18:31

where Bruce Pearl was trying out there

18:34

for Auburn. I ain't even looked them

18:36

dudes up. Them motherfuckers look old as

18:38

hell. Like that was what that's what

18:40

the game is the Duke brand has

18:43

started to look bad And so they

18:45

decided to go with we're going to

18:47

get the guys and we're going to

18:50

put them in the NBA and truly

18:52

that's one way to do it But

18:54

what you are going to buy a

18:57

large wind up with is a bunch

18:59

of kids and Sometimes a bunch of

19:01

kids is going to lose to a

19:04

team like Carolina into any 22 for

19:06

example that had five and a half

19:08

players But a lot of those guys

19:11

were old or enough of them were

19:13

like super duper grown men That's what

19:15

it is. They just chose in a

19:18

different way. Like the last time they

19:20

won a national championship, it was with

19:22

the bunch of kids, right? There was

19:25

a bunch of one and done cats.

19:27

I think Quinn Cook's still on that

19:29

team or whatever, but like... I think,

19:32

I can't remember right now, forgive me.

19:34

But that was like, that's just one

19:36

way to go about it. I don't

19:39

think it's an indictment of them that

19:41

they haven't won a national championship with

19:43

all those all-Americans, because those all-Americans aren't

19:46

sticking around that long. Also, five-star, very

19:48

broad term, right? The number one recruit

19:50

and the number 30 recruit are typically

19:53

both five stars, and there's a world

19:55

between those two guys. But yeah, I

19:57

don't know if the way they do

20:00

it is the best way to do

20:02

it is the best way to do

20:04

it. And that's a fair question to

20:07

ask is if the way they do

20:09

it is the best way to do

20:11

it rather than Criticizing them for having

20:13

all the talent and not winning because

20:16

the talent's not sticking around long enough

20:18

necessarily bare fruit They might want to

20:20

rethink the approach because while they were

20:23

redoing their approach North Carolina's approach kind

20:25

of went in the other direction and

20:27

they did not have the top-line stars

20:30

like Carolina has not been a program

20:32

to produce quality NBA player in the

20:34

last 15 to 20 years. More like

20:37

15, because they've had some guys, but

20:39

they have not been that program. But

20:41

in that same time period where Duke

20:44

is not one of National Championship, Carolina

20:46

won one and got to the National

20:48

Championship game three times, which Duke has

20:51

not done in that time frame. Because

20:53

getting old and getting grown is more

20:55

important than just having the most talented

20:58

players at this point. Cal took all

21:00

those guys with him to Arkansas and

21:02

what happened with him when they went

21:05

to Arkansas was those guys were a

21:07

little bit older and it worked out

21:09

better. But having a bunch of kids,

21:12

look you could clearly get a long

21:14

way, right? Duke got to the National

21:16

Championship guy and then you wind up

21:19

playing them hardscrabble Houston boys and they

21:21

send you to the crib. All I'm

21:23

saying is this. Whatever Duke is doing

21:26

to get players, if it ends like

21:28

this, do it until the end of

21:30

time. If doing what they do results

21:33

in them losing in a heartbreaking, embarrassing

21:35

fashion, do it forever, don't ever stop.

21:37

I'm going to say one thing before

21:39

we go, by the way, because this

21:42

is the funniest thing I think that

21:44

happened in the National Championship Game. Sean,

21:46

if you could pull up this other

21:49

clip. Guys, we're going to show you

21:51

guys a clip here of the greatest

21:53

player in the history of University of

21:56

Houston. Now, Kim Alajuad in this clip

21:58

is having a conversation with the man

22:00

as he is attempting to go onto

22:03

the court to celebrate with the Houston

22:05

Cougars, and the man says, Alajuad cannot

22:07

get on the court because apparently he

22:10

did not have the proper credential. And

22:12

I just want to know, okay? And

22:14

maybe he's a stickler for rules. I

22:17

don't know what it is. I don't

22:19

think that's what happened, because somebody tried

22:21

to explain to him who that is.

22:24

Who did you think this 60-year-year-old, 7-igerian

22:26

man was? that close already. If he

22:28

was not a kemolizawad, who'd you think

22:31

he was? And if being a kemolizawad,

22:33

can't... get him on the court, I

22:35

can only assume that means one thing.

22:38

That all self-important walkie talking about fucking.

22:40

He can only be a Spurs fan.

22:42

You still mad because Alajawan made a

22:45

fool of David Robinson at one time.

22:47

That's all that comes down to. I

22:49

just can't stop it laughing because I

22:52

can hear Alajawan's voice as he is

22:54

shocked and he can't I believe that

22:56

this man will not let him on

22:59

the four. He cannot believe it. Oh

23:01

my goodness, what a terrible thing to

23:03

do. But it's okay, Dre, you'll be

23:06

there for the national championship game. Them

23:08

boys from Duke, gonna be at the

23:10

crib. I watched the women's national championship

23:12

game on Sunday afternoon. Sean, did you

23:15

watch it? I sure did. I did

23:17

think the start time for a very

23:19

prime time, very big national championship game

23:22

being at what, it was 3 o'clock

23:24

Eastern. Yes. Noon Pacific was not ideal.

23:26

I feel like you could have got

23:29

more eyes if it was a little

23:31

later, but it was a great game,

23:33

regardless. I mean, I feel like, um,

23:36

somebody must have told them something, right?

23:38

Right, they must have known something. And

23:40

I'm not, I'm not 100% sure that

23:43

they would have gotten more eyes if

23:45

they played it at night. And this,

23:47

like, I'll throw this out as an

23:50

example. This is kind of a hypothesis

23:52

in lines with this, that the number

23:54

one prime time television show in America

23:57

is Sunday Night Football. But the game

23:59

of the week in late afternoon, if

24:01

I'm not mistaken, typically out draws. game

24:04

of the Sunday night game. So we

24:06

might want to check with perplexity on

24:08

that. But you see what I mean,

24:11

like I'm not on a Sunday, I'm

24:13

not sure it is better to play

24:15

that game at night. And my old

24:18

ass definitely appreciates them doing that at

24:20

3 o'clock. afternoon right like I personally

24:22

it worked out well for me so

24:25

anyway I watched the gang it's Yukon

24:27

and it is South Carolina and buddy

24:29

If I told you I ain't watching

24:32

the men's game this year, I'm not

24:34

even going to lie to you and

24:36

pretend like I had been watching the

24:39

women's game this year. I popped in,

24:41

I seen some highlights, I had a

24:43

pretty good handle on who was pretty

24:45

good. But something that like happened and

24:48

I guess I wasn't paying the most

24:50

attention when it went down, but I

24:52

did not realize that UConn had not

24:55

won a national championship in nine years.

24:57

I didn't realize it had been that

24:59

long. I had noticed that they weren't

25:02

winning national championships, but I didn't realize

25:04

it had been nine years. What I

25:06

also didn't realize in that time period

25:09

was they had still made it to

25:11

six final fours while not winning those

25:13

national championships. Now look, we're not that

25:16

far removed for them just, I mean,

25:18

they won four straight championships. That 16

25:20

was the fourth straight one. that they

25:23

had won. Look, we know what they

25:25

are, right? They were and have been

25:27

the UCLA of this, more or less.

25:30

The thing about the UCLA run with

25:32

Wooden was that they won 10 championships

25:34

in 11 years and then they didn't

25:37

win another one for 30 years. Like

25:39

after John Wooden left, I want to

25:41

say they only made two final fours

25:44

before they won the national championship in

25:46

1995. They made the final four in

25:48

1980 that was eventually vacated vacated. And

25:51

no, I don't even know if they

25:53

had another one before they won in

25:55

95 because they didn't go in 92.

25:58

They lost to Indiana in the elite

26:00

eight round that year. Like, I say

26:02

that to say that after UCLA had

26:05

that run, they weren't really UCLA after

26:07

that or anything truly approaching it. Like

26:09

the Bartow and Larry Brown years, yes.

26:11

Then they had two coaches, Walt Hazard

26:14

was one of them. I forget who

26:16

the other one was, but they had

26:18

to fire before they brought in Jim

26:21

Harris. and they weren't happy until 95,

26:23

and then they let go of him.

26:25

And then they had Steve Labin there

26:28

for a while, and they were never

26:30

very happy with him. And then they

26:32

went and brought in Ben Howlin, and

26:35

they, you know, even going to the

26:37

final fours, they weren't happy with him.

26:39

But I say all that to say,

26:42

Yukon wound up in a position that

26:44

in my lifetime, I can't quite think

26:46

of a team to do this, though

26:49

I guess Duke had a time where

26:51

they had to come back up and

26:53

this happen. Yukon became the upstart program

26:56

again in some ways. Like think of

26:58

all the people that have emerged as

27:00

we're talking about women's basketball and its

27:03

rise in prominence in these last few

27:05

years, like the emergence of the Caitlin

27:07

Clark phenomenon, the emergence of Dawn Staley

27:10

and Kim Mulkey I think being the

27:12

two coaches that we think of of

27:14

being out front in the women's game.

27:17

at this point. And while all of

27:19

this was happening, Yukon was kind of

27:21

still right there, right? Like the Caitlin

27:24

Clark emergence happened in part because of

27:26

the page Becker's injuries that kind of

27:28

slowed down where she was in this.

27:31

But then you stop and remember last

27:33

year that Connecticut, Iowa game in the

27:35

final four, right, with the moving screen

27:38

that got called late and everything else.

27:40

Yukon in the era with Beckers and

27:42

again there was the ACL tear and

27:44

I think there was an ankle injury

27:47

that happened before that or whatever I

27:49

don't know how often it happens where

27:51

you have somebody who comes into school

27:54

as hyped as Page Beckers was or

27:56

as famous as she was coming in

27:58

and she had a much more traditional

28:01

climb to get to this national championship

28:03

where you get to the end of

28:05

it and you're like yo you kind

28:08

of went through it with her Right?

28:10

Like she had a lot of things

28:12

happen while she was in school and

28:15

then she eventually wound up being the

28:17

person on top. Where for so long

28:19

it seemed like if you were a

28:22

top-notch women's back... basketball player and you

28:24

wanted to win a championship, then you

28:26

had to go to Yukon. Because everybody

28:29

else that was going to win was

28:31

going to Yukon. This was the move.

28:33

And for Beckers, it was a grind

28:36

to make that happen. It was a

28:38

story in order to get there. And

28:40

you had the moment with her coming

28:43

off the floor and hugging Gino R.

28:45

Yema and hell get back and I

28:47

thought that was a great story. Rajino

28:50

said that yeah, I told her. I

28:52

loved her. I thought that was absolutely

28:54

hilarious, but I thought it was great

28:57

for the women's game to have that

28:59

re-emergence of your traditional power and the

29:01

fact that they had to fight and

29:04

they had to claw in order to

29:06

get that. Now Sean, I'm looking at

29:08

these Yukon stats right now. I didn't

29:11

realize this. They went undefeated for the

29:13

regular season in 17, undefeated for the

29:15

regular season in 18. made the final

29:17

fours and did not win. Like they've

29:20

gone through heartbreak city with this. Yeah,

29:22

and I think your comment about Page

29:24

and this specific geno team is that

29:27

like they lost their streak of consecutive

29:29

final four appearances and 2022 and it

29:31

took them three years to get back

29:34

to the part the point they are

29:36

now which is obviously like one of

29:38

the most storied franchises or dynasties in

29:41

college sports but the gap from their

29:43

last it was 2016 was their last

29:45

national championship so that's almost nine years

29:48

of like you said grinding back and

29:50

you're grinding back with top recruits at

29:52

the end of the day so you

29:55

can't feel that bad for this team

29:57

but it was certainly a grind. I

29:59

do think there's room for like feel

30:02

bad in the sense that this is

30:04

a sport where everybody but one team

30:06

loses their last game. Yep. You know

30:09

and that and that losing that last

30:11

game is tough and I can only

30:13

imagine imagine what the pressure is around

30:16

the team right? Like you play for

30:18

Yukon and y'all ain't won nothing? And

30:20

they've been close enough. They've been getting

30:23

to the precipice. They had all these

30:25

years. where they did not lose a

30:27

conference game. Sean, since the 2013, 2014

30:30

season, they've lost three conference games. Three,

30:32

but had fallen behind. Yep, right? They're

30:34

not at all who we think about

30:37

when we start talking about what's going

30:39

on at the top of the game.

30:41

Like we were talking about who was

30:43

the top coach, and when it was

30:46

basketball right now, I think we would

30:48

say Dawn Staley. Of course, of course.

30:50

They. beat their ass. Like it's not

30:53

just like they won. They, they beat

30:55

the dignity out of South Carolina. Because

30:57

I'm sorry, they, South Carolina look bad.

31:00

Go ahead. Yes, and there's that clip

31:02

that's being meme now of Don Staley

31:04

on the bench screaming, fuck. And it's

31:07

like, you've really never seen Don Staley

31:09

lose her composure like that in this

31:11

stretch for Carolina until obviously she met,

31:14

you know, this just buzzov a Yukon

31:16

team. Yeah, but like man, that was

31:18

a bad look. Really, I think, like,

31:21

you know, let me tell you something.

31:23

I personally enjoy very few things more

31:25

than I enjoy watching an adult lose

31:28

their mind, right? That brings me great

31:30

joy. Watching an adult just be so

31:32

mad if they can't do just just

31:35

completely out of sorts. Oh my goodness,

31:37

that is hilarious. However, you, they got

31:39

clips of looking at women on South

31:42

Carolina's bench. in tears while the game

31:44

is still going on right in tears

31:46

and meanwhile their coach looks like she

31:49

cannot hold her shit together at all

31:51

like that clip of her like that

31:53

in the midst of the game oh

31:56

no no no no no no that

31:58

was that was not how I would

32:00

want to be seen in that moment

32:03

and in that moment if I'm on

32:05

the team and the coach looks like

32:07

that what are we doing here would

32:10

you think I'm about what I'm supposed

32:12

to put her together now Like one

32:14

thing about college basketball and this is

32:16

in both genders that I do think

32:19

is different than the NBA. which is

32:21

there are far more coaches that cannot

32:23

hold their water in college basketball than

32:26

there are in in the pros, right?

32:28

Plenty of examples of teams and coaches

32:30

that are good to choke it away

32:33

for their guys. All right, I watched

32:35

Kansas win a national championship in 2008

32:37

in large part because in the national

32:40

semi finals game. Roy Williams choked it

32:42

away for his guys against Kansas and

32:44

then John Calipari choked it away with

32:47

an eight-point lead with two minutes left

32:49

in the game against can for Memphis

32:51

against Kansas National Championship and then Bill

32:54

self who is known for choking games

32:56

away Got himself that national championship at

32:58

long last, but we see coaches choke

33:01

away games for their teams all the

33:03

time And it becomes even more important

33:05

in college for you as the coach

33:08

to be the one to hold it

33:10

together Because you're not dealing with adults

33:12

there, and I saw that clip of

33:15

dog Staley losing on the bench, and

33:17

I was just like oh Oh, I

33:19

oh, that's bad. That's all bad. It's

33:22

just really kind of no other way

33:24

to look at it That was all

33:26

bad for them. They've had a great

33:29

run and everything else, but it is,

33:31

you're going to lose, that's one thing.

33:33

You're going to get beat down, that's

33:36

one thing. You're going to go out

33:38

there and lose your composure. That's bad

33:40

news. That is not the way that

33:42

you want this to go. However, by

33:45

the way, especially after you spent all

33:47

this time talking about how y'all don't

33:49

get enough respect. Not good. But in

33:52

the macro for all of this, this

33:54

is the year. This is the year

33:56

without Caitlin Clark, right? Like this is

33:59

the year about how much of the

34:01

momentum from this ad hoc shift, this

34:03

ad hoc shock to the system that

34:06

a singular phenomenon is. How does that

34:08

build for the game? And I believe,

34:10

I'm not sure there are many things

34:13

that could have been better than kind

34:15

of a re-emergence of Goliath. back, right?

34:17

They never went that far away, but

34:20

they're back, right? And now you've got

34:22

these handful of people that if you're

34:24

somebody who doesn't really follow this game

34:27

that closely, you've got a handful of

34:29

familiar recognizable names as coaches, as programs,

34:31

as champions, and the biggest one just

34:34

came back and got into space. Now

34:36

Page Backers is not going to be

34:38

back. After a wonderful 12-year career, she

34:41

will begin to draw her pension. And

34:43

she went off to the WMBA. I

34:45

didn't realize she had been there for

34:48

five years. Like, damn, you've been here

34:50

forever. She had a tile of hands,

34:52

bro, a women's ball. And it's like,

34:55

you know, obviously injuries are one thing,

34:57

but I was like, man, she's in

34:59

the same draft class as Angel Reese

35:02

and Caitlin Clark, and they've been in

35:04

the W. You know, they've had season,

35:06

you know, like, it's wild. Now this

35:09

is gonna be the best part about

35:11

women's ball. Now we get to say

35:13

one of the favorite things to do

35:15

at men's balls when you juggle about

35:18

people that been in school forever. We

35:20

get to do that with them now.

35:22

Now I know enough of them to

35:25

like tell these jokes. Like who's the

35:27

Scotty Riddles of women's basketball for example?

35:29

Like I need to get to that

35:32

place. The ones that are good, like

35:34

good but not great, but it still

35:36

feels like they've been in school forever.

35:39

to do with men's ball now they

35:41

all stay for 15 years but now

35:43

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35:46

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40:20

are mad they hold a little storyline

40:22

about the the the the the the

40:25

accused embezler and he's a Duke grad

40:27

but then people ain't mad that this

40:29

dude is an accused embezler wearing all

40:32

that Duke gear that's not what they

40:34

mad that that man having a southern

40:36

accent and being a due grade. That's

40:39

the part that they mad at. And

40:41

they got that whole plot line wrong.

40:43

Whole plot lie wrong that particular man

40:46

right there like you know and I

40:48

get the idea she went to Carolina

40:50

he went to Duke That's what they're

40:53

going for they got her right that

40:55

guy in the way he talks and

40:57

everything else and being from North Carolina

41:00

Never would have gone to Duke if

41:02

he did he would have had to

41:04

pay his own way because his parents

41:07

would have never spent money for him

41:09

to go to Duke now that whole

41:11

thing about being an insufferable embezzler who

41:13

might try to kill his own family

41:16

I can see. I don't know about

41:18

the killing this old family part, but

41:20

you know, Richard Nixon did go to

41:23

Duke. You know what I'm saying? Like,

41:25

that part, that part fits. But that's

41:27

what they mad at. He don't sound

41:30

like he's from New Jersey. That's what

41:32

they don't like. But anyway, that whole

41:34

episode was trash. Yeah, not the finale

41:37

I was hoping for, but we can

41:39

get to this first clip right here

41:41

for if you haven't heard. Hello, this

41:44

is Jared Lanier. I am a scientist

41:46

and musician and writer. My latest piece

41:48

for the New Yorker is called Your

41:51

AI Lover Will Change You. Well, we

41:53

are about to transform the way AI

41:55

is experienced by people. We're giving AI

41:58

what we call an agentic quality. and

42:00

by we i mean computer science and

42:02

the tech industry as a whole Agentic

42:05

means the AI will remember things about

42:07

you and will be able to go

42:09

and do things without detailed micromanagement from

42:12

you. And my piece is about how

42:14

these qualities could activate your theory of

42:16

mind, which is the part of you

42:19

that assesses whether something else is alive.

42:21

And you'll start to treat these AIs

42:23

like they're alive. And since you're a

42:26

human. It won't be uncommon for people

42:28

like you to fall in love with

42:30

the AIs. What does it mean? Well,

42:33

I find it worrying and that's what

42:35

the piece is about. We unleashed social

42:37

media on the world in this very

42:40

idealistic way, but it turned out that

42:42

commercial incentives made it go sour for

42:44

a lot of people. Will the same

42:46

thing happen with lovable AI? I hope

42:49

not. I write these kinds of things

42:51

in the hope of preventing bad outcomes.

42:53

Let's see if it does any good

42:56

this time. First of all, uh, Jared,

42:58

the world needs more, you, you know

43:00

what I'm saying? You fighting a good

43:03

fight, that's good to know. Second of

43:05

all, like... You are not of like

43:07

the chat room age or whatever, but

43:10

I do think that most of us

43:12

at some point had like Develop some

43:14

measure or crush or whatever with somebody

43:17

that we only knew by a handle

43:19

and that we like type two and

43:21

went back and forth Which is not

43:24

the same as it's not the same

43:26

as an AI lover, but is not

43:28

Terribly different. Yeah, I've had a lot

43:31

of like AOL, AIM, chat, like, you

43:33

know, crushes or stuff that, you know,

43:35

like, should I pursue this person who

43:38

I don't really even know outside of

43:40

just the keyboard, you know? Yeah, yeah,

43:42

like, hey, let me get that picture,

43:45

help me? You know, like, let's, let's,

43:47

let's, let's, let's get some of this

43:49

mystery up out of this mystery up

43:52

out of this mystery up out here.

43:54

really cool but humans are losing the

43:56

value of other humans it's it's a

43:59

thing it matters a lot and Oh

44:01

God, I'm just scared. Like Sean, that's

44:03

just all I think about what I

44:06

see stories like this. I'm just like,

44:08

what are we doing? What is, what

44:10

is this going to be? Like I

44:13

have read these stories of people truly

44:15

falling head over heels in love with

44:17

AI chats and stuff like that. And

44:19

I hear you except for the fact

44:22

that you know it's not a person.

44:24

Yeah, and I think ultimately that is

44:26

what. people are starting to like is

44:29

that it's not a person they don't

44:31

have to deal with the fallout of

44:33

people and that they're like you know

44:36

they don't want to deal with the

44:38

ups and downs of a relationship just

44:40

someone who likes them for you know

44:43

what the AI is program to like

44:45

them for you know it's weird is

44:47

this the extension of people getting dogs

44:50

because kids talk back right yeah I

44:52

feel like that's a similar kind of

44:54

metaphor of like, you know, people just

44:57

don't want to get deal with rejection

44:59

or, you know, the dating life is

45:01

hard. So why not just type a

45:04

chat or have an AI bought be

45:06

my lover? And my immediate explanation for

45:08

that is to crash for me to

45:11

say somewhere where my mother is listening.

45:13

But all I'm saying, it's it's things

45:15

the computer can't do. Yep. Let's move

45:18

on. I gotcha. Here's next one. Hey,

45:20

I'm Monisha Christian. I'm a journalist who

45:22

recently wrote a story for Business Insider

45:25

about why Gen Z med students don't

45:27

want to become family doctors. America doesn't

45:29

have enough family doctors. By 2037, the

45:32

National Center for Health Workforce Analysis predicts

45:34

there will be a shortage of about

45:36

87,000 family doctors. The problem is worse

45:39

in rural communities and people of color

45:41

often face extra barriers. The good news

45:43

is a lot of genziers want to

45:45

become physicians, but many don't want to

45:48

become primary care doctors, which includes family

45:50

medicine, pediatrics, and gynecologists. There are a

45:52

bunch of reasons for this, but one

45:55

of the more surprising ones I learned

45:57

about was that other doctors looked down

45:59

on family medicine. There's even a term

46:02

for it, specialty disrespect. I spoke to

46:04

a med student at Georgetown who said

46:06

some of her professors discouraged her from

46:09

going into family medicine because they thought

46:11

she was too smart and too talented

46:13

for it. It's a job that doesn't

46:16

pay as well as other fields of

46:18

medicine, although the average salary is still

46:20

over $255,000. For comparison, plastic surgeons, some

46:23

of the highest paid doctors, make an

46:25

average salary of around $620. Family doctors

46:27

also have to do more administrative work

46:30

and they're paid per visit, which means

46:32

they often have to rush through appointments.

46:34

But family doctors are the backbone of

46:37

our health care system. They're the ones

46:39

that people interact with the most. Experts

46:41

told me medical schools can do more

46:44

to encourage students to go into family

46:46

medicine. But they also said the payment

46:48

model needs to change so that they're

46:51

not as pressured to see lots of

46:53

patients every day. So Sean, what is

46:55

terrifying me about this is, like the

46:58

idea that they need to give them

47:00

more money so they don't have to

47:02

see all these patients, they don't have

47:05

to do that. They're being greedy. Yeah,

47:07

for sure. Right? Yeah. But what terrifies

47:09

me in hearing it is, this sounds

47:12

like an industry full of people who

47:14

are not in it to help. I'm

47:16

saying, but the idea of these people

47:18

are going to tell you don't be

47:21

a family doctor, like these other jokers

47:23

are going to look down on you.

47:25

The point of being a family doctor

47:28

or being a pediatrician is that you

47:30

want to help people. Like that would

47:32

have, that would have, that's what would

47:35

have always been my thought on that.

47:37

And in my head, I bet that

47:39

that was their original intention and then

47:42

they get there and then there's the

47:44

politics of, like, like, like, having to

47:46

squeeze in more. patients to get more

47:49

money into the facilities that over time

47:51

probably forces them to dislike or resent

47:53

the original reason why they came into

47:56

business you know I see I'm not

47:58

as sure that people are you're getting

48:00

into this to help yeah yeah I

48:03

think that there's a one hand oh

48:05

one level I think there's probably a

48:07

challenge element of it right and like

48:10

the ability to say that you're a

48:12

doctor and all those things right like

48:14

I think that I think that that

48:17

part comes into it. I think obviously

48:19

the the money element is there but

48:21

I have a good friend from graduate

48:24

school who used to always say the

48:26

doctors just glorify mechanics except mechanics I

48:28

firmly believe care more about cars than

48:31

a lot of these doctors care about

48:33

people. I think that mechanics love cars

48:35

more than the average doctor loves people.

48:38

I that's really fascinating he said that

48:40

because I have like I have an

48:42

older car and I brought it into

48:44

a new body shop and the guy

48:47

told me his story of how he

48:49

got into the mechanic business and it

48:51

was kind of tragic he lost his

48:54

brother to a car accident and it

48:56

was because his brother to a car

48:58

accident and it was because of a

49:01

car malfunction he said I vowed from

49:03

this day forward to make sure this

49:05

doesn't happen to other people and I

49:08

was like who this guy genuinely love

49:10

cars and I didn't feel like I

49:12

was getting the short end of the

49:15

stick of someone like lying to me

49:17

about what's actually wrong in my car

49:19

you know. Yeah like I'm lucky I

49:22

got a job that I thoroughly enjoy

49:24

doing right and I feel like in

49:26

some ways I help people dot it

49:29

out all of that stuff. I can't

49:31

imagine doing a job like being a

49:33

doctor and feeling disconnected from that but

49:36

what I'm hearing sounds like people being

49:38

disconnected from that. For sure, and there's

49:40

someone mentioned in the comments, but there's

49:43

a show on HBO right now called

49:45

The Pit, which is just absolutely incredible

49:47

if you have a chance to check

49:50

it out, but it's about one shift,

49:52

one 15-hour shift for ER doctors, and

49:54

each episode is an hour, and you

49:57

know, the showrunners and the main characters.

49:59

talked about how a lot of these

50:01

doctor shows are patient focused, not doctor

50:04

focused, and especially in an ER emergency

50:06

room setting. He's like. the amount of

50:08

doctors that have unchecked PTSD or trauma

50:11

that they have to just bury and

50:13

fight through each day because the grind

50:15

is so relentless, it's a really like

50:17

enlightening look of just how fucking hard

50:20

it is to be a doctor and

50:22

how unforgiving it is or it's such

50:24

the most thankless job imaginable. And it's

50:27

like, yeah, why would anyone after seeing

50:29

something like the pit want to go

50:31

into something like that, you know? Yeah,

50:34

something I don't think people recognize that

50:36

this is the God's honest truth. They

50:38

don't pay you a lot of money

50:41

today. Too many jobs that pay a

50:43

lot of money for fun. Yeah, exactly.

50:45

I got one of the last one

50:48

of those jobs. Yeah, yeah. There's that

50:50

many of them. And even then sometimes

50:52

you're like, ugh, I got a record

50:55

today, you know, because it's just a

50:57

nature of that, right? First, that's the

50:59

ultimate first world problems right there. But

51:02

I recognize it. Yeah, all right, we'll

51:04

end with this on if you haven't

51:06

heard. Hey, I'm Emmy Piercey, a freelance

51:09

tech and culture reporter. I recently wrote

51:11

a story for Business Insider about how

51:13

nerds have found a cure for America's

51:16

loneliness epidemic. Once considered a niche hobby

51:18

for fantasy lovers in basements, tabletop role-playing

51:20

games like Dungeons and Dragons, also known

51:23

as D&D, have gone mainstream. Back in

51:25

1968, Gary Guy Gax, co-creator of D.

51:27

organized the first ever tabletop convention in

51:30

his basement with just a handful of

51:32

people. Fast forward today and the GenCon

51:34

Convention in Indiana is setting attendance records

51:37

with over 71,000 people showing up. Meanwhile,

51:39

Dungeons and Dragons now has more than

51:41

50 million players worldwide. The past decade

51:44

has brought a massive resurgence to these

51:46

games. Shows like Stranger Things have given

51:48

D&D a boost and during the COVID-19

51:50

lockdown, many turns to tabletop role-playing playing

51:53

games as a way to stay connected

51:55

while apart. Research shows the benefits of

51:57

these games go beyond just fun. They

52:00

help with creativity, stress relief and even

52:02

personal growth. Some players have used D&D's

52:04

a way to help them process difficult

52:07

emotions. One person even created a monster

52:09

in the game to represent their grief,

52:11

allowing them to process it in a

52:14

safe private space. And thanks to the

52:16

internet, niche communities have grown into something

52:18

far bigger. Being a nerd used to

52:21

mean you are part of a small,

52:23

specific group. Now, fandom is everywhere. When

52:25

everyone's inert, nothing feels as exclusive anymore.

52:28

And that's made it easier to build

52:30

supportive, unique communities in the world of

52:32

tabletop gaming. You know, I was thinking

52:35

as I was hearing that, that, you

52:37

know, I, there's a thing about the

52:39

internet that it brings a lot of

52:42

people, but I have long contended that

52:44

it also brings together a lot of

52:46

people who needed to feel alone. Right,

52:49

like I really, like I was really

52:51

hearing this and thought about it and

52:53

I was just like, the internet, like,

52:56

I don't know if you knew that

52:58

other people felt the same way, right?

53:00

Like, you guys would be better isolated,

53:03

not getting just enough of y'all together

53:05

to really come up here and blow

53:07

something up, right? But for, like, the

53:10

harmless dorks, like, I don't know if

53:12

anybody's winning more from the presence of

53:14

the internet than harmless dorks. Yeah, this

53:16

story is quite the opposite of the

53:19

AI love story in the beginning, where

53:21

like, you know, you're finding loneliness, but

53:23

then you're seeking community within the internet

53:26

of like-minded people, and it's like healthy,

53:28

and the community is growing, and it's

53:30

like building relationships. Like, I have friends

53:33

that play D&D, and like, they're, you

53:35

know, they were in each other's weddings,

53:37

and people within the community got married

53:40

together, and it's like, you know, harboring

53:42

this heartwarminging kind of something they love,

53:44

which... should be the case for finding

53:47

partnership not AI love or you know

53:49

like a robot sex doll. Well I

53:51

think a trick bag is... I try

53:54

to do better about this myself, right?

53:56

And that is, like, if it's harmless,

53:58

I don't want to ostracize people for

54:01

their hobbies, if it's not hurting anything.

54:03

But, like, this isn't my bag, and

54:05

it is clearly, like, a thing for

54:08

a certain subset, like, a certain personality

54:10

type, but people seem to clearly enjoy

54:12

playing these games. Yeah. They find them

54:15

to be a lot of fun. And

54:17

I think, it crave me if I'm

54:19

wrong, but a lot of it. But

54:22

you're still doing a lot of the

54:24

same things. So I saw this story

54:26

and I was like, yo, good for

54:29

them. Like for real, good for them.

54:31

And maybe if the rest of us

54:33

wouldn't out here busy trying to act

54:36

like we was so cool, we could

54:38

find a similar way for us to

54:40

connect. But hey man, the dorks got

54:43

one up on us. Now I'm gonna

54:45

tell you right now, I ain't about

54:47

to be playing no Dundas and dragons,

54:49

but I'm probably the one who's losing.

54:56

We had the perfect voicemail prompt

54:58

for our audience because we were

55:00

both on vacation and you asked

55:03

what is your worst vacation stories

55:05

We had a handful of really

55:08

really good submissions and I'm glad

55:10

neither of us have stories to

55:12

tell in the segment from our

55:15

vacation But here's our here's our

55:17

first one Hey, no mine my

55:20

worst vacation ever so I have

55:22

planned a trip to Europe for

55:24

a very long time to go

55:27

And shortly before I left, I

55:29

met a girl. And it's probably

55:32

about three months beforehand. And I'm

55:34

telling her, hey, look, we've known

55:36

each other for a long time,

55:39

but we had just started a

55:41

real relationship. Hey, look, I'm gonna

55:43

go to Europe. I've been planning

55:46

this for a long time. I

55:48

wanted to do this and hey.

55:51

So I'll see you when you

55:53

get back. Because she begged me

55:55

and begged me and begged me

55:58

to go. And I'm like, all.

56:00

But look, we gotta do what

56:03

I want and go where I

56:05

want. Because that was the idea.

56:07

They had a hospital and do

56:10

some other things. So that I

56:12

have to spend a lot of

56:15

money. But no, she wants to

56:17

stay in a really nice hotel.

56:19

And so we go to Barcelona

56:22

and this person hasn't decided, she

56:24

decides to sleep in all day.

56:26

Two, three o'clock in the afternoon.

56:29

I spent all day. and Barcelona

56:31

for like three straight days just

56:34

hanging out by myself while I

56:36

am playing for this expensive as

56:38

hotel. Then I'm like, hey, let's

56:41

go to Paris. We take the

56:43

midnight train to Paris and all

56:46

she can complain about is how

56:48

she can't get any sleep because

56:50

the seats are uncomfortable. When we

56:53

get to Paris, she wants to

56:55

go to Euro-Disney. I'm

56:58

like, okay, well, I've already booked

57:01

a plane to Rome for both

57:03

of us. It was trash. Absolute

57:05

trash. We get back to Paris

57:07

and we are, like, no lot

57:09

watching Kung Fu Panda, too. And

57:11

she started talking about, like, all

57:14

sorts of nonsense. And I'm like,

57:16

okay, well, I've already booked a

57:18

plane to Rome for both of

57:20

us, right? She says she don't

57:22

want to go. And I'm like,

57:24

what are you talking about? Twice

57:27

book. We get in a gigantic

57:29

argument and I end up telling

57:31

her, hey look, you don't have

57:33

to go home, but you can't

57:35

stay with me. So I'm going

57:37

to London. I don't know where

57:39

you're going, but it's not there.

57:42

Get out of Europe. And after

57:44

all these arguments... I kicked her

57:46

out of the continent and when

57:48

to London and had the best

57:50

seven days of my life. That

57:52

is my worst vacation ever. First

57:55

of all, I didn't know you

57:57

had the authority to kick anybody

57:59

out of the whole Europe. I

58:01

did you, the man around there.

58:03

I got to be honest with

58:05

you, Pepin. I was on her

58:08

side about this hostile situation. If

58:10

I were you, the next time

58:12

you tell this story, leave that

58:14

part out. That does not make

58:16

you a sympathetic figure. The rest

58:18

of it. I'm on your side.

58:20

I'm totally on your side, the

58:23

rest of it. And I have

58:25

to ask, when did this happen?

58:27

Because from the sounds of it,

58:29

it happened 15, 20 minutes ago.

58:31

Tops. It sounds like it just

58:33

happened. He's so hot. It sounds

58:36

so fresh, like the anger of

58:38

like, I'm still dealing with this.

58:40

And all the comments on YouTube

58:42

are like, he still sounds piss.

58:44

So it clearly happened recently. You

58:46

know why he sounds pissed and

58:48

he should sound pissed because what

58:51

sounds very clear is that she

58:53

just didn't want him to have

58:55

any fun without her. She clearly

58:57

didn't want to do this, right?

58:59

Like what it means, I'm taking

59:01

a trip to Europe, she clearly

59:04

didn't want... any of that she

59:06

just didn't want him to have

59:08

any fun without him and from

59:10

the sounds of it she didn't

59:12

pay for a single thing not

59:14

a dime not a yeah I

59:17

don't know I mean I might

59:19

not have kicked out the continent

59:21

but I you I give him

59:23

credit for just cutting bait on

59:25

that man I don't know like

59:27

damn Tough break. That's why I'd

59:29

be liking to travel by myself.

59:32

I was gonna say if you

59:34

spent that much already It's like

59:36

yeah, how far deep can I

59:38

go? Yeah And you also got

59:40

to do a little more recon

59:42

on who your person is before

59:45

you start talking about going like

59:47

around the world. I don't even

59:49

travel with friends. Also, was that

59:51

the- Also, was that the end

59:53

of the whole thing? Because I

59:55

don't know how you recover from

59:58

that particular situation. I'd love a

1:00:00

follow up if it was this

1:00:02

recent, maybe in like a week

1:00:04

or two, this guy calls back.

1:00:06

Sean, can you imagine being like,

1:00:08

I'm going to Rome? And she

1:00:10

like, I don't feel like it.

1:00:13

Okay, bye. You're with your, you're

1:00:15

with your queen in Paris, and

1:00:17

she want to kick it with

1:00:19

Mickey and them? Damn, tough break,

1:00:21

I'll be, tough break. All right,

1:00:23

here's a, it's a nice transition,

1:00:26

but here's our next voicemail. Hey,

1:00:28

Bo, Ryan from North Carolina calling

1:00:30

about the worst vacation I ever

1:00:32

had. I must have been about

1:00:34

14, and my mom and dad,

1:00:36

grandparents, aunt and uncle, took me

1:00:39

and my little brother down to

1:00:41

Disney for the first time. And

1:00:43

I was right at that age,

1:00:45

but I really didn't really care

1:00:47

about, you know, the whole Disney

1:00:49

experience. I was more worried about

1:00:51

girls and stuff, you know, young

1:00:54

14-year-old man. So the biggest one

1:00:56

was kind of whacked to me

1:00:58

already. But then, what really turned

1:01:00

it into the worst thing, worst

1:01:02

vacation of all time, one night

1:01:04

we were staying in a rental

1:01:07

house, not a hotel. I heard

1:01:09

some scratching out what it is.

1:01:11

Go to my parents' room, knock

1:01:13

on the door, nobody answers. Knock

1:01:15

a little louder, again, nothing. Well,

1:01:17

I jiggle the door handle, it's

1:01:20

open, so I walk in, and

1:01:22

any kid's worst nightmare happened. Caught

1:01:24

my mom and dad right in

1:01:26

the middle of Dede, and yeah,

1:01:28

had to have that whole conversation

1:01:30

because my dad and mom saw

1:01:32

me obviously the house wakes up

1:01:35

when I freak out and run

1:01:37

back to the room. But, yeah,

1:01:39

definitely an embarrassing moment. one that

1:01:41

I wish would never happen to

1:01:43

anyone. But I appreciate it both.

1:01:45

it was 14 right yeah they

1:01:48

have to talk about nothing no

1:01:50

he knows you know they know

1:01:52

they know they know they would

1:01:54

whatever happened to just everybody acting

1:01:56

like this didn't happen you're too

1:01:58

old to do the like oh

1:02:01

you know mommy daddy were just

1:02:03

fighting you're too old for that

1:02:05

now you need to be glad

1:02:07

they stopped like that's the thing

1:02:09

to me I don't really see

1:02:11

the point and stopping like like

1:02:13

we're already here We're all ready.

1:02:16

What's done is done? Incredible, if

1:02:18

they just look at you, like

1:02:20

close the door, we're still going.

1:02:22

No, even credible, don't look at

1:02:24

you. Yes. Like people, I heard

1:02:26

people tell stories about like walking

1:02:29

in on the girl and they

1:02:31

mad or whatever, and they had

1:02:33

to throw the passion with somebody

1:02:35

else, and they don't even stop

1:02:37

for you. That is like, oh,

1:02:39

what's going on? Brutal. Can you

1:02:41

get the door, please? We're busy.

1:02:44

I'll talk to you in a

1:02:46

little while. Okay. Go back to

1:02:48

your room. All right, here's the

1:02:50

last one. Hey, Bo, this is

1:02:52

Cameron in Indianapolis calling in with

1:02:54

my worst vacation ever. When I

1:02:57

was 10 years old, I was

1:02:59

fortunate enough, or unfortunate enough, to

1:03:01

take a trip with my mom

1:03:03

and my grandma, and we were

1:03:05

going over to Austria to visit

1:03:07

some family who lived in Germany,

1:03:10

and we were meeting at a

1:03:12

cabin in the Alps. Sounds awesome.

1:03:14

I got off to a rocky

1:03:16

start pretty much immediately when we

1:03:18

were in Indianapolis getting ready to

1:03:20

leave on the plane to meet

1:03:22

up in Detroit. There was a

1:03:25

thunderstorm, a vicious thunderstorm that delayed

1:03:27

our flight. So it already had

1:03:29

a auspicious start to begin with.

1:03:31

When we got to Detroit, we

1:03:33

took off, heading over to Amsterdam,

1:03:35

and we were in the air

1:03:38

for no more than 10 minutes

1:03:40

before the pilot came on and

1:03:42

said that... One of the engines

1:03:44

had caught on fire and we

1:03:46

had to make an emergency landing

1:03:48

back in Detroit I'm 10. I'm

1:03:51

freaking out throwing up like turbulence

1:03:53

like crazy And you know you

1:03:55

would think at this point Maybe

1:03:57

this would be what we needed

1:03:59

to tell us, hey, we shouldn't

1:04:01

go. To make matters worse, somehow

1:04:03

they messed up my grandma's ticket

1:04:06

information on her flights, and it

1:04:08

wasn't even having her going to

1:04:10

the same airport as us. So

1:04:12

we get off, they moved the

1:04:14

crew over to a new plane,

1:04:16

we safely went back in Detroit,

1:04:19

we finally get over to Europe,

1:04:21

we get to the Alps, it

1:04:23

seems like everything's fine, okay, we

1:04:25

got here in one piece. It's

1:04:27

going to be great. We're staying

1:04:29

in a cabin up in the

1:04:32

mountains. It's beautiful. And then what

1:04:34

happens? No joke. In avalanche happens

1:04:36

less than a mile away from

1:04:38

where we are. It knocks the

1:04:40

power out of the cabin. We

1:04:42

are stranded on the mountain for

1:04:44

an extra week. We're supposed to

1:04:47

be there one week. Ended up

1:04:49

there for two. It gets so

1:04:51

bad. They can't get supplies in

1:04:53

because... there just wasn't any more

1:04:55

toilet paper to be found. Grocery

1:04:57

sources on the mountain started running

1:05:00

out of food. I mean, it

1:05:02

was bad, though. You know, I'm

1:05:04

10 years old, stuck in this

1:05:06

cabin with a bunch of people,

1:05:08

we all get sick. I mean,

1:05:10

you name it, it happened. The

1:05:13

avalanche, by the way, ended up

1:05:15

being such a big deal. It

1:05:17

got its own Wikipedia page. So,

1:05:19

it was just bad from start

1:05:21

to finish. We did make it

1:05:23

back to the state safely. You

1:05:25

know, this is back in 1998,

1:05:28

so all of our family back

1:05:30

here had heard about this big

1:05:32

avalanche in Austria. None of them

1:05:34

even knew if we were alive.

1:05:36

And never again, though, never again.

1:05:38

Wow. I believe this is the

1:05:41

2019 avalanche. Yeah. Wow. It does

1:05:43

have its... Wow. I don't know

1:05:45

what to say like that other

1:05:47

than you win buddy you you

1:05:49

win the prize I just want

1:05:51

to pull up the the 20

1:05:53

for people on perplexity, just in

1:05:56

case people were not aware, March

1:05:58

2019, pretty recent, eight people died

1:06:00

statewide. It's funny, they also put

1:06:02

the Colorado avalanche as a team.

1:06:04

But yeah. That's not the way

1:06:06

I'm just saying that to be

1:06:09

confused with the Colorado avalanche. Three

1:06:11

times in H.L. champions. But yeah,

1:06:13

it was funny because I know

1:06:15

you were kind of in the

1:06:17

Swiss Alps recently, and so very

1:06:19

much the opposite of your trip,

1:06:22

which I heard was lovely. Yeah,

1:06:24

I had a ball. I thoroughly

1:06:26

enjoyed myself. Wow. Tough break. There's

1:06:28

always boo-boop. But, uh, ooh. Anyway,

1:06:30

Sean, do you have a picks

1:06:32

for the people today? Yeah, we

1:06:34

got draft kings with their Pickham,

1:06:37

Demardo Rosen, 22.5 points, we're taking

1:06:39

more there, Quint and Grimes, 22.5

1:06:41

points as well, taking more, and

1:06:43

Bam, Audibio, 21.5 points, this is

1:06:45

part of draft kings, is new,

1:06:47

pick six, which you can register

1:06:50

now. And if you use the

1:06:52

Copromana, you might get $50 included

1:06:54

if you put a deposit five.

1:06:56

Ever the optimist. Hey, ladies and

1:06:58

gentlemen, thanks much for joining us

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