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Coast. We might be able to book them on

1:29

the show a little bit more often now. you

1:41

know. Yeah, honestly, no, this is real

1:43

thing, though, is that when Dominic had

1:46

other stuff to do, I was like,

1:48

cool, we can get Joel in on

1:50

the Friday's. And then, of course, I

1:52

forgot, you had just procreated or, you

1:55

know, the procreation was about to fully

1:57

take place and all of this stuff,

1:59

and you was on the West, it'd

2:01

be hard. You know what I'm saying?

2:03

back over here toward the east, you

2:06

might come holly at your boy here

2:08

and there. Oh, I'm gonna come to

2:10

some of them, you know, some of

2:12

your live shows too, you know, we

2:15

might do, you know, whatever, the basketball

2:17

Jones, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever

2:19

is in. So, no, you gotta come

2:21

through, come holly, you know, come through,

2:23

come holly, you know, come, check out

2:26

my spot, my club, you know, that

2:28

we do, you know, like. You know,

2:30

I really like it out here. I

2:32

mean, it fits. I like the energy

2:34

of the East Coast. I like being

2:36

close to people. You know, it's really

2:38

hard to get out to the West

2:40

Coast, man. You know? It is. And

2:42

people, I don't know if, I don't

2:44

know if this is true for white

2:47

people. I'm sure it is, but whatever.

2:49

But I feel like every black family

2:51

has the uncle or the cousin that

2:53

lives in California and you never see

2:55

them. I got family in California, blah,

2:57

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That was

2:59

me. That was me, blah. I think

3:01

the thing that people forget about California

3:03

is that California was the promised land

3:05

for so many people. So for example,

3:07

two things that run together. The plot

3:09

line for Beverly Hills 90210 and history

3:11

of the Los Angeles Lakers, right? Start

3:13

in Minnesota, bring it out there. When

3:15

you watch that OJ made America and

3:17

listen to them cops talk, they all

3:19

sound like Fargo type stuff, like the

3:21

Midwest situation. That was what they, they

3:24

got the hell out of dies the

3:26

same way, we got the hell out

3:28

of dies, except we was trying to

3:30

get away from the mean-ass white people,

3:32

and they was just trying to get

3:34

away from that hawk. That hawk chased

3:36

them all the way out there. The

3:38

late great Mike Davis used to call

3:40

LA, and maybe it was the rest

3:42

of California, I were on the Pacific.

3:44

It was very conservative, you know, all

3:46

those folks, yeah, exactly. A lot of

3:48

people come out there just wanting a

3:50

little bit better, you know, and yeah.

3:52

But I mean, that's the whole thing

3:54

about the Rose Bowl. Like the Rose

3:56

Bowl is that, and Mike Dave. who

3:59

wrote a city of courts, a book

4:01

that's so amazing that I ain't even

4:03

finished it yet, because it was so

4:05

dope. I just kind of had to

4:07

like take a pause, but I read

4:09

enough. I can't imagine that there's more

4:11

book after the portion of the city

4:13

of courts that I got through, because

4:15

it blew my mind so much about

4:17

what LA was. First thing is, LA

4:19

is a bunch of gangs. The gangs

4:21

are actually fitting in with what everything

4:23

else that goes on, because LA, LA PD, too,

4:25

one of them. after click after click

4:28

that's just what LA is man

4:30

is a bunch of people that's

4:32

throwing up signs but what he

4:34

said in that book that I

4:36

did not realize about LA was

4:39

that it makes sense and it

4:41

makes you like think about what

4:43

the old days are right or what

4:45

the old days were they sold California

4:48

through pamphlets right just the idea

4:50

they think about how wild the

4:53

1800s were where people were just

4:55

like I'm about to get this

4:57

horse and we about to go

5:00

out west. What's y'all gonna do?

5:02

We gonna go out west. Don't

5:04

even know what's out there. You

5:07

know, we know that it's natives.

5:09

But I read this pamphlet and

5:11

this pamphlet said, it's paradise over

5:14

here. I mean, they were, they

5:16

were kind of right about the

5:19

paradise parodies, right? And so then

5:21

they got out there and everything

5:23

was cracking. But I'm just, I

5:26

mean, you ain't gonna keep nothing

5:28

from us for long. Man, I mean, one

5:30

of the, I mean, one of the, one of

5:32

the, I mean, first of all, the

5:34

warmth of other sons, maybe one of

5:36

the only books that I finished reading,

5:39

I started crying. Like, I mean, it

5:41

was emotional to me to finish that

5:43

book. One of the plot lines in

5:45

that book is a brother who was

5:47

from, I think he was from, and

5:49

he becomes a doctor out there in

5:51

California and it's just like you know like that's

5:54

exactly what was that the war with other sons

5:56

it was that city of courts no it was

5:58

one for the sons it was the one Yeah,

6:00

yeah, no, okay, I didn't hear you

6:02

saying that you were switching books. Oh,

6:04

yeah, sure. We was all together. Oh,

6:06

yeah, yeah. I didn't cry at the

6:08

end of a city, of course, because

6:10

much like you, I did not finish

6:13

it, because it was just so overwhelming.

6:15

Like, it's just a lot of information.

6:17

I would like to know how many

6:19

people are like us. I got it

6:21

on the Kindle, I might check it

6:23

out, right? It's worth revisiting, and, and

6:25

yeah, it was my, my, my, my,

6:28

I was hoping to use it as

6:30

a way to get my head around

6:32

all of LA when I was doing

6:34

slow burn. But it's highly recommended. But

6:36

the warmth of other sons, I mean,

6:38

you got two people, one that moves,

6:40

three people, one that moved to New

6:43

York, one that moved to Chicago, and

6:45

one that moves to LA. And it's

6:47

this doctor who sets up a clinic

6:49

or office in a majority black neighborhood

6:51

in LA. And yeah, man, I mean,

6:53

it was so deeply affecting to me

6:56

to see these people trying to find

6:58

the promise land and find out. You

7:00

know, ever, it's not just like Compton,

7:02

you know what I'm saying? You know,

7:04

it's, you know, just like Compton. Everyone's

7:06

placed kind of the South for black

7:08

people. That book's been out long enough

7:11

that I don't feel like I'm spoiling

7:13

it by offering this. The heartbreaking part.

7:15

So for the people that made the

7:17

migration. from to the west. What was

7:19

different is that they were going with

7:21

cars and our railroads, right? So like

7:23

the story of the family moving to

7:26

New York, they went up to rails

7:28

from Florida, right? They was picking oranges,

7:30

and then they went up there, and

7:32

then Chicago, the most common route, Mississippi,

7:34

getting the hell out of dodge going

7:36

to Chicago. But in the West you'd

7:38

have to drive and the thing about

7:41

the drive was you had to get

7:43

through Texas Anybody who has done interstate

7:45

10 and I think this preceded the

7:47

interstates, but anybody who's ever done interstate

7:49

10 into Texas from either direction It's

7:51

the side on the west side and

7:54

a sign on the east side, but

7:56

when we moved to Texas, I'll never

7:58

forget I was six years old when

8:00

this happened. It still sticks with me

8:02

in my mind We cross over and

8:04

it tells you that earn just like

8:06

15 miles or something like that El

8:09

Paso! 857 and when you come in

8:11

from the west side it's one that

8:13

tells you how far it is to

8:15

get to Orange on I-10 a very

8:17

similar number and so you had to

8:19

get across Texas in the mood because

8:21

Texas is a race you have nowhere

8:24

to stay like that was the that

8:26

was the part that got you it

8:28

was like going through the mountains and

8:30

the tour of the fronts right you

8:32

got to get across Texas They get

8:34

to Arizona, they can't, brother can't get

8:36

nobody to rent them a room, right?

8:39

All over the place. And then he,

8:41

because Arizona, sneaky, right? And so finally,

8:43

he gets to some people in Arizona

8:45

that at least hear him out. And

8:47

the man says, I would love to

8:49

give you a room. But I can't

8:52

do that. He's like, we're not from

8:54

here. We're from Illinois, I think is

8:56

what he said was. We're from Illinois.

8:58

We don't share the same views and

9:00

sensibilities sensibilitiesabilities and sensibilitiesabilities as these people

9:02

as these people. But we got to

9:04

live here after the fact. You know,

9:07

if they see that we did this,

9:09

it's going to cause us some problems.

9:11

We can't do it. And then he

9:13

hit him with some true game. He

9:15

was like, I'm telling you right now

9:17

though, me and my wife, we went

9:19

to USC before we came here. And

9:22

I just want to make sure you

9:24

understand California ain't what you seem to

9:26

think it is, brother. No, man. Can

9:28

you, hold on, can you imagine? Driving

9:30

from Louisiana, yeah, to getting across Texas,

9:32

getting almost in California. And by the

9:34

way, before you even get there, somebody

9:37

is like, hey, it ain't what you

9:39

think. Yeah, might not be what you

9:41

were planning on. I mean, look, I

9:43

mean, so much of the promise of

9:45

LAPD, especially under those first few, those

9:47

first few police chiefs, Bill Parker, being

9:50

one. Bill Parker's the one was, I

9:52

mean, they were recruiting guys out at

9:54

the Klan. Like, you know, literally, they

9:56

was coming, that's like they do now,

9:58

but they was coming down south, because

10:00

I don't know, I got to see

10:02

this on the subway here. Always these

10:05

advertisements for police departments hiring in different

10:07

places, but they was specifically going to

10:09

the south to deal with what was

10:11

on the way. Oh yeah, I mean

10:13

I feel like, and I don't know

10:15

if it was in this book or

10:17

something, there was a map that outlines

10:20

a part of LA where they had

10:22

cordoned off black people and it was

10:24

called something not unlike Rick Perry's infamous

10:26

ranch in Texas, it was in something

10:28

gulch. They said it was NIGG-E-R gulch

10:30

in LA. So yeah, I mean it's.

10:32

I mean, look, if anybody had family

10:35

in LA or in California, and I

10:37

did, I had family on my mother's

10:39

side and Oakland and in my father's

10:41

side and Carson, and it ain't like

10:43

those people were like, hey man, this

10:45

is paradise, you know, I mean, they

10:48

still had, they had a lot of

10:50

the same struggles that they would have

10:52

had if they stayed in Louisiana or

10:54

East Texas, or Arkansas, where my family

10:56

was from too much, Arkansas though, a

10:58

whole another kettle of fish, of course.

11:00

Yes, it is. Mississippi's 38% black. You

11:03

make Colorado 38% black, you will make

11:05

Colorado with the Mississippi. That snow might

11:07

as well be cotton. They think that's

11:09

what they had us doing. They had

11:11

us out there picking snow. And if

11:13

and I had us out there balling

11:15

up snow and they'd be putting food

11:18

coloring in it and then they'd be

11:20

eating it. I mean, look man, I

11:22

mean, there's a reason. I mean, if

11:24

once, I think I want to say

11:26

there's only one county. West of the

11:28

Mississippi, once you get past like Texas

11:31

or something in California, I'm gonna get

11:33

this wrong, but there's only one county

11:35

in California that has more than the

11:37

percentage of black people in the United

11:39

States. So you know, like black people,

11:41

at least once a time, made up

11:43

12% of the American population, there's only

11:46

one county in California that has more

11:48

than 12% black people. Was that Alameda?

11:50

It used to be, but Solano is

11:52

Bay Area adjacent, so Valero for people

11:54

that... No, no, that was the thing

11:56

I got learned when I got to

11:58

California. Hey, it ain't really... like Texas,

12:01

it is a lot of black people.

12:03

Just not by percentage. Right, right. You

12:05

can find your people there. Yes. Yes,

12:07

the difference between Texas though

12:09

in California and that sense is

12:11

that in California the black people

12:13

are all in Los Angeles and

12:15

Oakland and like little places like

12:17

Rialto. right that feels like not

12:19

necessarily know but they're all in

12:21

those spaces once you get outside

12:24

of there have you ever seen

12:26

48 hours bro look man I

12:28

went to a wedding in Oxnard

12:30

as 2017 and my then girlfriend

12:32

now wife we went to get

12:34

brunch at Ventura County brother let

12:36

me tell you when I was so uncomfortable

12:38

I was like oh I don't think

12:40

we belong here you know let's get

12:42

let's get let's get our little pancakes

12:44

and going about our business um yeah

12:46

it's You know, I love California, but

12:49

you can feel really lonely as a

12:51

black person now. Well, are you up

12:53

on what's going on at Huntington Beach?

12:55

Well, I mean, like right now or

12:57

in the, no right now, they've got

12:59

a thing with the, where basically the

13:01

city council is called Full All MAGa

13:03

and it's, it's, it's, it's difficult for

13:05

me to explain in this place where

13:07

people who don't know, Huntington Beach is

13:09

in Orange County and it's. They ain't

13:12

so happy to see me. I used

13:14

to the TV show where they put

13:16

you up in Huntington Beach because they

13:18

don't think nothing about it. They're a

13:20

very nice hotel in Huntington Beach, but

13:22

they put you up in Huntington Beach.

13:24

The Huntington Beach is not a little

13:26

sundowny. It's hostile to us, and I've tried

13:28

to stay there before, and somebody might have

13:30

been you that said, you might not want

13:32

to stay there. So it's funny that you

13:34

say that, because... There are places in

13:36

the South or like places in Texas

13:38

in particular right like Viter is the

13:41

one that we talk about all the

13:43

time but really what you get east

13:45

of Harris counties like east of Baytown

13:47

on I-10 um there are places that are

13:49

fairly hostile to us like that's a

13:52

fair place to put it yes there

13:54

are places in California that are hostile

13:56

to us that are a lot closer

13:59

to cities mm-hmm yes Absolutely, absolutely. Oh

14:01

yeah, I mean, look, I mean, with

14:03

the, with the, with the, with the

14:05

Rodney King trial was hell, man. Semi-val.

14:07

I mean, that's, that is not a

14:09

place where black folks, I mean, it

14:12

may have changed in the last 30

14:14

years or so. Maybe I'm sure there's

14:16

a little bit more uptick in black

14:18

folks, but that is not a place

14:20

that you want to be for the

14:22

most. California, not quite what people think.

14:24

That's all we say it. That's all

14:27

we say it. This is an interesting

14:29

voyage that we took you at night.

14:31

Joe, Joe, Joe, out of there. You

14:33

know what I'm saying? Joe, over in

14:35

the DC Metro. I mean, I'm in

14:37

the DMV, man, and I just kind

14:39

of say, I mean, Maryland is, I

14:42

did not have a conception of this

14:44

state outside of Baltimore. I've spent a

14:46

lot of time in Baltimore, mostly for

14:48

bad stuff. interesting places I've ever been

14:50

in my life. I cannot get my

14:52

arms around it and it's fun because

14:54

it's so diverse but also it reminds

14:57

me so much of the South and

14:59

I don't know I've been trying to

15:01

explain it is the South it is

15:03

the South but like it feels like

15:05

Atlanta it feels like it feels like

15:07

little rock it feels like Bozier Parish

15:09

to me, all at the same time

15:12

in a lot of places. So I'm

15:14

still trying to figure it out, but

15:16

it's got to be one of the

15:18

more unique places I've ever been in

15:20

this country. Speaking of getting outside the

15:22

city. Oh, Marilyn. Yeah. Yeah, you know

15:24

what? I can believe it. I can

15:27

believe it. I can believe it. I

15:29

can believe it. Getting towards East. I

15:31

mean, look man, the way they, Maryland

15:33

was one of them states a few

15:35

years ago, I think when the federal

15:37

government used to have that sort of

15:39

a mandate or a mission, I mean,

15:41

they were going after the state for

15:44

a short change in the HBCUs here.

15:46

So like, that's the, that, that metric.

15:48

Still matters. They owned Slade. there. Absolutely.

15:50

I mean look I stayed in an

15:52

Airbnb for a couple weeks in an

15:54

area called Mount Rainier and I was

15:56

telling people I was like these kind

15:59

of New Orleans plantation-type looking like they're

16:01

not plantation-like but this got the you

16:03

know the large front porch and stuff

16:05

like that I was like this feels

16:07

very antebellum to me. Yes, yes, yes,

16:09

almost like they own slaves. Hard turn.

16:11

We've got to figure out what we're

16:14

going to talk about. Did we just

16:16

bounce around? Oh, this is what ever.

16:18

Joe had an actual sports thing, he

16:20

wanted to mention, and you have a

16:22

take on Chatura Sanders? Yes. So, I

16:24

mean, I know that, like, I mean,

16:26

we've talked about him before, and there's

16:29

a lot of skepticism around just the

16:31

talent, right? Yes, he, he, the first.

16:33

round guy. But there was this, you

16:35

know, the scuttle butt around him is

16:37

that all these teams did not like

16:39

him because he interviewed poorly and all

16:41

this other stuff. And I was thinking,

16:44

I was like, is it possible that

16:46

he's doing that intentionally? And also because

16:48

anybody, if there's anybody that is really

16:50

skeptical of the draft process, don't you

16:52

think it's Dion Sanders? And he may,

16:54

I could imagine him imparting to Chidour

16:56

like. First of all, it's really important

16:59

where you go with the NFL. Like,

17:01

you can't, you can't just let anybody

17:03

draft you. Like, you do not want

17:05

to go, if you're a quarterback, and

17:07

I don't care who's running the franchise,

17:09

you probably are going to look a

17:11

skew at like the Cleveland Browns, right?

17:14

You're like, I don't, I don't know

17:16

if I want to be there, right?

17:18

And I'm not going to engage with

17:20

it as if it is... deserving of

17:22

my respect. I don't know if he

17:24

went in there and tanked those interviews

17:26

or he was going there, you know,

17:29

trying to, you know, being him, being

17:31

fully himself. I wonder if he went

17:33

in there with a plan to do

17:35

that sort of stuff. And I kind

17:37

of, I could, I can sort of

17:39

ride with that because I don't know

17:41

the, I mean, we know so much

17:44

more about the NFL draft process now,

17:46

now that athletes have their own voice

17:48

and they talk. about the things that

17:50

they did. I was listening to Kian

17:52

Coleman the other day talking about a

17:54

team got mad at him for wanting

17:56

candy after he'd gone through all these

17:59

interviews. And I'm just like, some of

18:01

this stuff is stupid. And it could

18:03

just be the Shadoor Sanders, given that

18:05

he has, you know, the privilege of

18:07

being the former NFL star. And, you

18:09

know, he probably is not going to

18:11

be a top five pick. So he

18:14

could just look at somebody like the

18:16

Saints, which, you know, you know, is

18:18

run by Jeff Island. his role in

18:20

the in the Desbry. Put a pin

18:22

in that one because I think he

18:24

got a bad rap there. You think

18:26

so? My understanding after those years in

18:29

Miami is that he asked the, basically

18:31

he asked Desbry of Desbryant's mother was

18:33

a prostitute. Yes. But he asked that

18:35

question based on what he was being

18:37

told in real time. That his father

18:39

was a. Yeah, though, but it was.

18:41

Like trying to understand what somebody is

18:44

saying to you and you're like are

18:46

you saying that dot dot dot dot

18:48

that that it was not he didn't

18:50

just pull it out of air like

18:52

yo man your mom's out here turning

18:54

tricks as much as this is what

18:56

I am now being told dot dot

18:58

it was it was not as far

19:01

afield as I believed it was in

19:03

real time but to your point I

19:05

think you put two things together that

19:07

I struggle to reconcile right that is

19:09

I don't think that it was a

19:11

rebellion of. I rebuke the process and

19:13

the process is beneath my respect. I

19:16

don't think that's unlikely to be what

19:18

happened, right? And if he does think

19:20

the process is beneath his respect, I

19:22

would need to know why it is

19:24

before I ascribed my rationale as to

19:26

why he would find it beneath his

19:28

respect before I ignore what a lot

19:31

of the signs seem to point to,

19:33

which is the boy might be an

19:35

orifice. It is well within the realm

19:37

of possibility that he is an orifice.

19:39

That is possible, right? What I do

19:41

think, though, that I agree with and

19:43

that is entirely possible because somebody... I

19:46

talked to who was at the combat

19:48

said that what they were hearing was

19:50

the people who were cutting him slack

19:52

were saying that they wondered if he

19:54

was doing it on purpose. It was

19:56

either that off-putting or it seemed to

19:58

be calculated in the sense that he

20:01

was trying to avoid perhaps going places

20:03

that he did not want to go.

20:05

And I agree with you in the

20:07

sense that if your dad's D.I. Sanders,

20:09

you don't necessarily need to get the

20:11

money that comes from going early and

20:13

everything else. I think that would be

20:16

rather than showing a disrespect for the

20:18

process, that would be attempting to manipulate

20:20

the process to get to the place

20:22

that you want to go. Now again,

20:24

I am curious where they would, what

20:26

would they deem to be the place

20:28

that they want to go? Because the

20:31

places that Dion had talked about before

20:33

were all the places he played. Washington,

20:35

Baltimore. I think he said San Francisco,

20:37

he may, like, like I remember, it

20:39

was places with black people, but also

20:41

coincidentally, they were all places that he

20:43

played. Right. I mean, I don't, you

20:46

know, it's tough to know if the

20:48

commanders actually have a solid front office

20:50

in place, if they just happened to

20:52

draft Jane Daniels, right? But the ones

20:54

that you've mentioned Baltimore, San Francisco, those

20:56

would kind of be the sort of...

20:58

organizations that you would want to play

21:01

for if you're going to come into

21:03

the league, right? Like, I mean, a

21:05

guy that's not physically, necessarily physically talented,

21:07

he's going to need a lot of

21:09

help around him and he's going to

21:11

need good coaching and I'll sort of

21:13

scheme him up. It makes a lot

21:16

of sense to me. Like, you know,

21:18

you name franchises that right, that Dion

21:20

had some affiliation with, but they're also,

21:22

it reputation, well run franchises. I would

21:24

not. should do or to play for

21:26

the 49ers. Because they've, think of quarterbacks

21:28

as expendable. Well, two things. I don't

21:31

think they think of them necessarily as

21:33

being expendable. I think they're about to

21:35

get back up the truck for Brock

21:37

Party, for example. But it's two things.

21:39

One thing we do know that Kyle

21:41

Shanahan prioritizes is getting the ball out,

21:43

which is not what this young man

21:46

does. Right? Like part of the charm

21:48

of him is his willingness to stand

21:50

in there. And there is a value

21:52

in that. There is a value in

21:54

that. I don't want to pretend like

21:56

it's not. But I don't think that

21:58

that's film that Kyle Shanahan looks at

22:01

and is like, oh, I want to

22:03

do that. Number two, I've watched Kyle

22:05

Shanahan destroyed two. your boy your boy

22:07

those guys get hurt all the time

22:09

his quarterback they also get hurt all

22:11

the time they get hurt a lot

22:13

man they take a lot of punishment

22:15

and it ain't like shadoor somebody is

22:18

gonna be able to escape a lot

22:20

of punishment in the league right he

22:22

was hurt a lot of Colorado I

22:24

mean he took a lot of punishment

22:26

there so I can sort of ride

22:28

with that but I do think though

22:30

it offers you that I could understand

22:33

being shadoor and being like I could

22:35

go into that offense I have a

22:37

lot of support I Do you know

22:39

how many times Debo-Gone? Do you know

22:41

how many times Debo-Saniels made the pro-bo?

22:43

One? One. Right, is that right, yeah.

22:45

That's how I go back and look

22:48

at it and be like, you know,

22:50

this might be a great nickname at

22:52

work. I'm not exactly sure how good

22:54

he looked. They just moved before a

22:56

fifth round pick. Ayuk came in there

22:58

and got hurt. Christian McCafery. Look, running

23:00

backs, it's cool until it's cool until

23:03

it isn't. and he was real hurt

23:05

last year. I would not, I don't

23:07

think he's reasonable to assume that it's

23:09

going to be like on and cracking

23:11

with him. The Trent Williams thing, Trent

23:13

Williams has been playing in the NFL.

23:15

I want to say since the year

23:18

2009. Is he 30? He's got to

23:20

be 38. Like, oh wait was his

23:22

last season at OU. Right. And I

23:24

think he stayed four years, but O8

23:26

was his last year at OU. He's

23:28

drafted and O9. As you always like

23:30

to bring up, brown or rock pole

23:33

got the best trip, Williams, you know,

23:35

brown or rock. Look here, brown or

23:37

rock, brown or rock. Paul gave that

23:39

boy to work. It took me a

23:41

good 10 years to realize that Trent

23:43

Williams was a Hall of Fame caliber

23:45

player. Iraq Paul gave him to work

23:48

and Lord Holt got it from Kindle

23:50

on that game. I don't know why.

23:52

Look, here's the thing. You talk about

23:54

you, you put all the voice and

23:56

all of that stuff. You remember that

23:58

shit. You saw it. Ain't his ass

24:00

up. I mean, those were good Texas

24:03

teams. So I mean, look, it couldn't

24:05

happen then. Was that. I'm blocking for,

24:07

man, I mean, we are going back

24:09

at time. Sam. Sam Bradford. Yeah, man.

24:11

Ooh. What a, what a runback of

24:13

time. That guy's already old. Yeah, I

24:15

mean, I hear you, yeah, so Trent

24:18

is old. It could be that they're

24:20

about to go through a down cycle,

24:22

but I think the thing is that

24:24

you're. taking a chance that Shanahan and

24:26

Lynch can build a roster that will

24:28

ultimately support him, right? It's kind of

24:30

like when Azie Newsom was at the

24:33

Ravens, it's like, oh, I think that

24:35

they're going to be able to figure

24:37

it out. They'll be able, they'll come

24:39

up with a supporting castle, we'll be

24:41

able to, well, let me ask you

24:43

a question on that front. We stumbled

24:45

on the good stuff, right? We need

24:48

to find a way to get to

24:50

the chop up to the first part

24:52

of the show, put it, put it,

24:54

put it, put it, put it on

24:56

the show, put it on the show,

24:58

put it on the back. How, put

25:00

it, put it, put it on the

25:03

back. How, put it, put it, put

25:05

it, put it, put it, put it,

25:07

put it, put it, put it, put

25:09

it, put it, put it, put it,

25:11

put it, put it, put it, put

25:13

it, put it, Could so is someone

25:15

like Kyle Shannon hand allowed to endure

25:18

before turning get around so like Sean

25:20

Payton for example they had I want

25:22

to say two three down years there

25:24

he had won that Super Bowl and

25:26

the historical importance of he and Drew

25:28

Breeze for that city he could stay

25:30

while they were down every time we

25:32

talk about cower and having the me

25:35

not cower Mike Tomlin having the winning

25:37

season every year or whatever and yes

25:39

that is a bit of an overrated

25:41

stat, but it's noting Bill cower cannot

25:43

say that Bill Cower had a couple

25:45

of down years and then a pickup,

25:47

but he was allowed to endure that.

25:50

He had the goodwill on the front

25:52

end that he could do that. If

25:54

you are the 49ers, how long would

25:56

you allow? Keep it in mind, the

25:58

thing with Kyle Shannon. hand is either

26:00

you go to the NFC championship game or

26:03

you're not going to make the playoffs.

26:05

Well the reason you're not going

26:07

to make the playoffs right is

26:09

because you're decimated by injuries. Yes

26:12

but whatever but whatever it comes

26:14

down to right I'm looking at this

26:16

now okay his seasons six and four

26:18

four and twelve thirteen and three

26:20

six and ten ten but made the

26:22

two NFC championship game 13 and four

26:24

made the NFC championship game 13

26:26

and four made the NFC championship game.

26:29

Six and 11. Like there's there's

26:31

no in between here with this dude.

26:33

And so how much time do you

26:36

let him have if they're bad? Forever.

26:38

You said eight seasons. Two of those

26:40

ended in the Super Bowl. Two in

26:43

the intents. There's no game. You know,

26:45

this I'm a very I don't like

26:47

I believe in sticking with guys and

26:50

especially when they show in the capacity

26:52

for like greatness. And if I was

26:54

the. fan of an NFL team and

26:56

I'm not anymore you know I'm still

26:58

I'm up for grabs like I might

27:00

be a commanders fan now you know

27:02

we'll see I'm sorting through some things

27:04

but if you told me that half

27:06

the time my team might have to

27:08

be a super a Super Bowl contender

27:10

I mean wouldn't you buy that wouldn't

27:13

you? I think you raise a fair point

27:15

and I totally understand a lot I

27:17

don't think I'm not saying you're

27:19

all. Mm-hmm. I'm just saying you

27:21

and I are a bit more

27:23

reasonable, generally speaking, than the people

27:26

about whom we are talking. Right. Well,

27:28

I mean, also, I mean, you know,

27:30

I can also take care of that

27:32

to the extreme because I remember, and

27:34

I may have mentioned this on

27:36

here before, I remember being

27:38

like, who is Georgia to fire?

27:40

Mark Rick. Yeah, Mark Rick. Who

27:43

is Georgia to fire Mark Rick?

27:45

They're eight-win program. They have no

27:47

right to think that they deserve

27:49

to be any better. I just win

27:51

54 games a year, we contend every

27:53

year, like I'm very much into that

27:55

kind of thing. I think winning is

27:57

underrated. But I say, but I agree with you.

28:00

Let's see, I just think it becomes

28:02

interesting with Shanahan because it's a peaks

28:04

and valleys situation, right? His career record

28:06

is 70 and 62. Man. Right, like.

28:09

Let me see what Jeff Fisher's career

28:11

record is then. It's not that good.

28:13

Jeff Fisher is right there at the

28:15

50-50 line. 178, 171. He's on 500,

28:18

okay. Yeah, yeah, like he's right, he

28:20

got right there at the 150. But

28:22

the difference also, Shanahan in the playoffs

28:24

is eight and four. Like this is

28:27

a. It is a fascinating tenure that

28:29

he has had, what I think is

28:31

happening here in part, and this is

28:33

where people get it mixed up. Brock

28:36

Purdy erases the mistake of drafting Treylands.

28:38

Brock Purdy does not erase the mistake

28:40

of trading for Treylands, and all those

28:42

picks that they had to give up,

28:45

now is when this becomes a thing.

28:47

he is so lucky this pretty thing

28:49

managed to work out like that nobody

28:51

can really claim credit for that like

28:54

that's just not how it works you

28:56

got lucky and you got the guy

28:58

with the last pick of the draft

29:00

that i think is not a franchise

29:02

quarterback but a starting quarterback and those

29:05

are two different things right but you

29:07

got this guy but what you're gonna

29:09

do with that guy once you have

29:11

to pay him 50 million dollars like

29:14

I'm very curious to see how long

29:16

this, like what, not just how long

29:18

it goes, also how they gonna find,

29:20

whether they gonna keep couch ahead or

29:23

not, but really just how this goes.

29:25

What kind of team can you put

29:27

together under the circumstances they're gonna be

29:29

in? Yeah, I mean, that's a fair

29:32

point. I mean, also, it's like, and

29:34

your boy, Nick Wright, always talks about

29:36

this, about how the 49 has had

29:38

the adventures, and they've made Brock Party

29:41

look much better than he is. without

29:43

the debos, if Brandon gets hurt, if

29:45

Chris McAfee never returns the form, if

29:47

Trent Williams, you know, you know, can

29:50

make it through a season. What Brock

29:52

Purdy is that you don't find that

29:54

much, is a player of moderate talent.

29:56

but a stars confidence but not really

29:59

irresponsible yeah you know what I mean

30:01

like if he sees that they're always

30:03

gonna make the throw man I mean

30:05

that's and that's the amazing thing I

30:08

saw I mean I mean you're probably

30:10

the same way I mean I mean

30:12

you're probably the same way I was

30:14

a big 12 football fan you know

30:17

I saw Brock Purdy play for four

30:19

years I was like okay cool if

30:21

Brock Purdy was on the other side

30:23

was on the other sideline I was

30:26

like I think we have a chance

30:28

today today And so he has gotten

30:30

the most out of a very limited

30:32

set of talent. And I had to

30:35

applaud the man for that. But what

30:37

I want to build my whole team

30:39

around him, is that the plan? I

30:41

mean, see, that's the thing. I don't

30:44

think Shanahan won't do that either. He

30:46

was talking about Sam Donald looked like

30:48

Steve Young a couple years ago. He

30:50

did. You know? by the way, you

30:53

know, rock, pretty, you, rock, pretty is

30:55

your Trent Williams. I would like to

30:57

take a moment right fast to throw

30:59

this out here. I looked at the

31:02

Cal Shady hand, wiki page, and they

31:04

have his tenure for the 49ers, and

31:06

they haven't like really broken it up

31:08

into seasons. It'll just be a paragraph,

31:11

oh, the 2017 season, oh, the 2018

31:13

season, it's paragraph for the 2020 season,

31:15

it's paragraph for the 2021 season, it's

31:17

paragraph for 2022, based upon the outcome

31:20

of the season, but at the same

31:22

time, the 2023, yeah, the 2023, 2023

31:24

even got two paragraphs, because they went

31:26

to the Super Bowl, right? I'm going

31:28

to read to you the 2024 paragraph

31:31

in a season marred by injury. Shannon

31:33

had led the team to a six

31:35

and 11 record. Lit. Oh, gosh. That's

31:37

the end. That's it. in a season

31:40

bar. I mean that I mean that

31:42

is the that is the call shadow

31:44

hand off season by the way. I

31:46

mean like it's the one year like

31:49

in the next year in a season

31:51

bar by injuries. If you have a

31:53

team that thrives on physicality and beating

31:55

dudes up you know what's also happening

31:58

them dudes are getting hurt too. It's

32:00

hard to play physical like that especially

32:02

now that they got 17 games. You

32:04

can't just count on your team being

32:07

healthy and beating up dudes. year after

32:09

year, kind of like your boys, you

32:11

know, the lions. Oh, oh, I didn't

32:13

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32:16

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32:18

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time offer. Joe like here talking about my

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lions and there is I think the lion

36:50

I mean the lions had an element of

36:52

bad luck last year because everybody

36:54

was just getting hurt like this

36:56

wasn't like toward ACL's a toward

36:58

ACL is not a byproduct of

37:01

the physicality of your plate right that's

37:03

just a you know it goes to a

37:05

point and then it doesn't I just worry

37:07

about them because hey man windows

37:09

aren't permanent no they are suffering now

37:11

from a brain drain Right, your offensive

37:14

and your defensive coordinator have gone. Ben

37:16

Johnson, old big brain ass, he's taking

37:18

a whole bunch of cats over there

37:20

with him. Like, they're gonna have to,

37:22

they're gonna have to put some things

37:25

back together, but they're also at the

37:27

very least gonna start the season a

37:29

little healthier than next year. But you're

37:31

right. A little healthier than next year.

37:34

But you're right about that. A little

37:36

healthier than next year. But you're right.

37:38

You got to use your body for

37:40

that. in the playoffs and he said, we might

37:43

not get back here again. And I mean,

37:45

that is the reality of the situation. I

37:47

mean, just, I mean, we have no idea.

37:49

I mean, there's an idea that Jane Daniels

37:51

and the commanders on the, you know, on the swing,

37:53

but you just, look, sometimes you catch a break

37:55

in the playoffs and it'll fool you in

37:57

the thinking that you are better than you

37:59

are. You know, hey man, safe bet

38:01

on him personally is regression. Yeah.

38:03

And I don't mean like he'll

38:06

be terrible. But I would not

38:08

expect, put it like this, statistically,

38:10

I would not expect him to

38:12

have another season like that. You

38:14

can be better in your stats,

38:16

not be as good. Like Josh

38:18

Allen, I don't think he's ever

38:20

gonna put up stats like he

38:22

did in that 20, 20 season

38:24

again, for example. Patrick Mahones is

38:26

probably never again going to throw

38:28

for 5, but you're not gonna

38:30

tell me that he's worse now.

38:32

than he was then, like this

38:34

is hard for me to grasp,

38:37

but I do think that some

38:39

level of regression is possible. Yeah,

38:41

I mean, likely in fact, CJ

38:43

Strauss, just this year. Yes, you

38:45

know, he was not what he

38:47

was as a rookie. Well, well,

38:49

he also, he was out there

38:51

for Dolo, boy, good gracious. I

38:53

mean, look, man, is any, any,

38:55

any, so I covered the Texans

38:57

in like 20, 2003, 2004, when

38:59

they, they, they've, they've caught, get

39:01

beat the death, man, get out

39:03

there and get his ass beat.

39:06

That is a quick way back

39:08

into the back into the top

39:10

of the draft again. No, no,

39:12

you are 100% correct about that

39:14

one. And look, the guarantee way

39:16

to end up at the top

39:18

of the draft is your offensive

39:20

line is bad, right? Like that

39:22

is, nothing will get you there

39:24

faster than your offensive line is

39:26

bad. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Also, I

39:28

mean, it's just funny because. What

39:30

a luxury it is to end

39:32

up at the top of the

39:34

draft again and you got a

39:37

quarterback. It must feel so good.

39:39

If you're like, I got a

39:41

good quarterback and I can just

39:43

pick from the best of the

39:45

rest, I don't have to decide,

39:47

oh, it's Camwood, that dude, you

39:49

know, I don't have to, I

39:51

don't have to project. This pick

39:53

is for trade. Like if you

39:55

have a quarterback and you're in

39:57

a quarterback and you're in a

39:59

draft that has quarterbacks, but you

40:01

don't need a quarterback. I have

40:03

a quick projection about this. I

40:05

know people are saying that Shidoor

40:08

and Jackson Dart, this is a

40:10

quarterback week draft and that people

40:12

are not going to overdraft. I

40:14

think the thing is that I

40:16

feel like with the exception of

40:18

a couple years, almost every year

40:20

people get panicked and start drafting

40:22

dudes in the first round quarterbacks

40:24

that they should not be drafting.

40:26

And I feel like I'm not,

40:28

I wouldn't put money on this.

40:30

I feel like Jackson Dart's going

40:32

to be a first round pick.

40:34

So somebody I trust a great

40:36

deal told me don't fall for

40:39

it specifically with him. But I

40:41

am starting to, my drafts are

40:43

worth checking just because it starts

40:45

being a result of what you're

40:47

hearing and people are starting to

40:49

kind of sort of like talk

40:51

themselves into the idea of Jackson

40:53

Dart. So yes, it is possible

40:55

that somebody panics, but to me

40:57

what is important. About that the

40:59

ceiling is what's going to make

41:01

somebody panic, right? Like you've got

41:03

to believe to me You've got

41:05

to believe a quarterback you taking

41:08

the first round has the potential

41:10

to be a pro bowler Like

41:12

maybe not even necessarily an all

41:14

pro, but you've got to believe

41:16

that that ceiling is there and

41:18

very rarely does a guy with

41:20

a high ceiling Lamar Jackson being

41:22

the obvious example here very rarely

41:24

does a high ceiling guy fall

41:26

so Take Dak Prescott for an

41:28

example. Dak Prescott has clearly exceeded

41:30

every expectation of a fourth round

41:32

pick. I have raised the question

41:34

many times how first team all

41:36

SEC quarterback twice, even with the

41:39

DUI, managed to fall as far

41:41

as he did in the draft.

41:43

And what we have seen in

41:45

spite of what I think has

41:47

been a largely excellent career. Right,

41:49

where you look at it year

41:51

by year, I mean, definitely at

41:53

the bank, boy, he's a legend

41:55

when he show up there. He's

41:57

a legend at the bank in

41:59

such a way that... one could

42:01

argue that it has impeded his

42:03

progress as an NFL player. Like,

42:05

I saw my buddy Nick make

42:07

this point and I see others

42:10

about the Joe Burrow side, that's

42:12

Joe Burrow, the T. Higginsiding with

42:14

the Bengals. Does Joe Burrow need

42:16

all that? Right? Like you're acting

42:18

like Joe Burrow is a mid-tier dude.

42:20

Meanwhile, down in Dallas, Dack, get

42:22

C. D. Lamb. And then you

42:24

figure in the rest out from

42:26

there and he doesn't seem to

42:28

be that guy. Is it, is the issue

42:30

that he has the ceiling of a fourth

42:32

round pick? You know what I mean? Like

42:34

the, the, the ceiling is the, is the

42:37

ceiling the issue, that there's a level that

42:39

he cannot rise to. It's just crazy because

42:41

you think when you talk about sealing, it's

42:43

like, okay, deck is big, deck is strong,

42:45

that used to be, I mean, considered, I

42:47

mean, the issue was like, can that boy

42:50

throw? You know like so he was very athletic

42:52

and so it's funny that you mention it

42:54

that way So yeah, well, okay. I'll pose

42:56

it to you like this because you actually

42:58

talked about him another one and I I've

43:00

been fascinated with this dude since

43:02

he went to Alabama Would you take

43:04

Jay LaMille roll over Jackson dark? I told

43:06

people this is going to happen by the

43:09

way I told people that the the the

43:11

mill rise Was was coming. I think me

43:13

and mean it were talking about we're talking

43:15

about this. Hey man, somebody gonna get a

43:17

look a look at a look at him and

43:19

be like oh I don't think I said about

43:21

Anthony Richardson that I would be

43:23

terrified to take him in the first

43:26

round and then I talked myself into

43:28

the idea that I would do the terrifying

43:30

thing and my reasons for why I would

43:33

be terrified to take him in the first

43:35

round are actually not the reasons that apparently

43:37

you should have been terrified to take him

43:39

in the first round like I described Tyler

43:41

Dunn's newsletter go along which I get I

43:43

particularly if you're a fan of the bills

43:45

or the Packers I highly recommend but also

43:47

if you just you know if you're really

43:49

really in the NFL stuff I do it

43:51

because I like him in anybody I see

43:53

that used to work a job and now

43:55

works for themselves I throw you a little

43:57

money every month you know what I'm saying

43:59

I'm doubt I for the squad. But this

44:01

is when the newsletter this week and

44:03

I did not realize that they had

44:05

rolled up on Anthony Richardson drunk at

44:08

the Manning Academy. Oh man. And they

44:10

went and got him to take him

44:12

back and he said something wild to

44:14

the cops on the way out. What?

44:16

Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no. The

44:18

Anthony Richardson needs to grow up thing,

44:21

goes back and seems to be in

44:23

large part to issue now, but worth

44:25

noting by Richardson. When he came back

44:27

after the benching, he played pretty well.

44:29

Like maybe, maybe the thing, maybe the

44:31

thing has happened, right? Like maybe he's

44:34

gotten it figured out. But yeah, I

44:36

was like, I would be terrified to

44:38

take him. Daniel Millrow, that's the same

44:40

thing. And it's not a maturity thing.

44:42

He seems to be a much more

44:44

mature guy. But just in terms of

44:47

watching him play, I would be terrified

44:49

to take him early. But if he's

44:51

there in the middle of the second

44:53

round. He's got to be so frustrating

44:55

because I've watched him play. Yeah, I

44:57

don't know. I, this is going to

45:00

sound so weak. I kind of became

45:02

an Alabama fan over the last decade

45:04

or so. Just because I like the

45:06

way they play football. Like, I mean,

45:08

that's just, that's the bottom line. I

45:10

like that old school beaten up dudes.

45:13

You know, yeah. Yeah. But do you

45:15

know when I really became a Jay

45:17

Lemile Mill friend? And my Houston folks

45:19

are going to know what might know

45:21

about this. So Jayla Millrow went to

45:23

a high school called Katie Tompkins. Okay,

45:26

so Katie used to be like a

45:28

one or two school district, you know.

45:30

Two, it was Katie and Katie Taylor.

45:32

Katie Taylor, right. And then Mady Creek

45:34

popped up a little bit later. And

45:36

so Katie has had this explosion, but

45:39

the Katie high school team, the main,

45:41

the original school has been a dominant

45:43

program, you know, one of the great.

45:45

high school programs in the country and

45:47

certainly... Andy Dalton went there for reference.

45:49

Andy Dalton went there, that's right, that's

45:52

right. And Jay Leniro beat Katie, Katie

45:54

Tompkins. And like, Katie had won like

45:56

70 straight district games before that and

45:58

I'm like, anybody, anybody that could... be

46:00

Katie by me. I'm not gonna say

46:02

he beat him by himself, but to

46:05

do that, I'm like, damn, that must

46:07

be something in that boy. Like, you

46:09

know, I look at that, I'm like,

46:11

if that's on your record, I might

46:13

have a little faith in you, bro.

46:16

And so I'm waiting for it to

46:18

click. And I would much rather, I

46:20

would much rather take my chances on

46:22

a brother like that. And, you know,

46:24

he seems like he's got the maturity

46:26

and Apparently from the compound

46:29

body measured at 6-1-7-8 to 217 pounds.

46:31

I thought he was 17. Really? I

46:33

thought, maybe he lost a weight, but

46:35

I thought that he was a much

46:37

bigger guy. I thought he, I thought

46:40

he was 6-2-2-30, you know. Yeah, me

46:42

too. Like apparently he'd be in there

46:44

on the weights. My favorite detail about

46:46

Millrow in this draft is, I don't

46:48

think you have seen this, that somewhere

46:51

his hand measured at 8 and 3

46:53

quarters inches and they got all the

46:55

exercises you can do. to increase your

46:57

hand span measurement anywhere from eight and

47:00

three quarter to nine and three eighths.

47:02

Like that is. If that were, if

47:04

you jump that much, have that much

47:06

of a jump in your SAT score,

47:08

they make you take it again. Oh,

47:11

they'll flag you. That dude rose to

47:13

you. It's like, uh-uh, no, but we

47:15

don't believe that. Take that again. Yeah.

47:17

And we gonna watch you take this,

47:20

too. It'll room by yourself. Yes, yes,

47:22

yes. Like that's what's going to happen

47:24

there. But I still think somebody going

47:26

to go out there. We interviewed Reese

47:28

Davis over my podcast, the Press Box

47:31

pot, and apparently it has always been

47:33

little than they say a no. You

47:35

know what I'm saying? Like I did

47:37

not, I really thought. Oh, that's the

47:39

key. Yeah, all. Yeah, all they say.

47:42

Yeah, right, right. So I was like,

47:44

okay. I mean, if that's what they

47:46

want to say, if that's the story

47:48

they go on, I'll choose to believe

47:51

it. I'll choose to believe it. I'll

47:53

choose to believe it. you haven't talked

47:55

about this. And I'm kind of, so

47:57

I know you're going to, you know,

47:59

you're about to take another luxury vacation.

48:02

You know what I'm saying? Boby sending

48:04

pictures from all over the globe, all

48:06

over the globe. Just, you know, lucky,

48:08

lucky ass single rich man. You know

48:11

what I'm saying? I told you. And

48:13

so I told you this. like, you

48:15

know, Bo's been like Switzerland, Hawaii, Portugal,

48:17

Iceland, you know, I, you know, look,

48:19

I'm, I'm jealous of that. But this

48:22

brother went to Houston recently as a

48:24

special guest of Bunby and I'm like,

48:26

bro, I mean, I'm taking myself back

48:28

to like 1992 at my kitchen table

48:31

listening to tell me something good on

48:33

97.9 to Box. Bro, you were hanging

48:35

out with Bunby, you were special invited

48:37

guest of Bunby in Houston, bro. I've

48:39

never been more jealous of you in

48:42

my life, I swear. It was a

48:44

good time, man. It was a good

48:46

time. I mean, you know, Bubby birthday,

48:48

the Black Heritage Day at the Houston

48:50

Livestock Show and Radio Broadway, which is

48:53

still officially called the Houston Livestock Show

48:55

and Rodeo. Like they still have the

48:57

old logo, they just got to make

48:59

it for the future and call it

49:02

Rodeo, you know what I'm saying? And

49:04

so they got black people night at

49:06

the night at the Rodeo night at

49:08

the Rodeo. Peter must not got no

49:10

Kevlar and that's why they don't be

49:13

showing up. Like I'm surprised that Peter,

49:15

somebody don't tell Peter keep your ass

49:17

at home because I can't believe that

49:19

they're not out there boy. I mean

49:22

they don't get got the temerity to

49:24

step in Texas and tell them what

49:26

to do. You know, so the thing

49:28

is I tell people this all the

49:30

time that, you know, like I think

49:33

I lived in. Houston the same number

49:35

of years I lived in Atlanta, but

49:37

there is no question to me. I

49:39

am from Houston. Like that is where

49:41

I grow up. And every now and

49:44

then I don't have the same attachment

49:46

to it that I think that most

49:48

people from Houston do it. I don't

49:50

make it there that much. But something

49:53

happens like what I get there for

49:55

time to time, but I'm like, nope.

49:57

This is where I am from. And

49:59

it is the fact that it had

50:01

been a long time since I seen

50:04

a rodeo and I had to get

50:06

up the speed, but I was like,

50:08

nope, I know exactly where I am

50:10

right now. But if I were not

50:13

from here and I was watching this,

50:15

I would have been mortified. It would

50:17

have felt like a little uncomfortable. I

50:19

mean, making the kids run around and

50:21

try to tackle the sheep. Like that

50:24

was the, I'm like, I'm like, what

50:26

I'm doing? Really? You know what I'm

50:28

saying? My point is just simply, if

50:30

I take somebody that ain't from here

50:33

and I tell them that we just

50:35

gonna have a bunch of kids out

50:37

here running trying to tackle a sheep.

50:39

I mean that it's a whole nother

50:41

world, man. It's a whole nother world.

50:44

But wait, so how do you become

50:46

friends with Bunby? Because I'm jealous of

50:48

this. And if Bunby is listening to

50:50

this, I'm available to be your friend

50:52

too, bro. No, I can't come out.

50:55

It's the magic of the internet. The

50:57

first thing I remember though is I

50:59

once did a blog post about UK

51:01

riding dirty and he came across it.

51:04

And then we would kind of like

51:06

DM back and forth. And he's listening

51:08

to stuff I've done obviously, you know,

51:10

I've checked out things he's done. We

51:12

were on a panel together, South, South,

51:15

South, and I've checked out things he's

51:17

done. We were on a panel together,

51:19

South by South by Southwest. But no,

51:21

it is incredibly cool story. In 2005,

51:24

when you put out the Trill album,

51:26

I did an interview with him for

51:28

AOL and I had it on tape

51:30

that I, you know, put the Q&A

51:32

and put it together. Me and my

51:35

boy ate and got together and we

51:37

sat and I pressed play on that

51:39

tape and we listened to it like

51:41

it was an album. You know what

51:44

I'm saying? Like we really sat up

51:46

there and so no, it is wild

51:48

to me. that this could be the

51:50

case in any form of fashion. He

51:52

had to pop up at a store

51:55

in the Galleria, win a holler at

51:57

him. there so Andre Johnson's a bit

51:59

the cruise couple other cats in there

52:01

but I pulled up on me let

52:03

me through you know all that talk

52:06

for a minute so yeah no I

52:08

think it's really cool too does it

52:10

make you miss home so the thing I

52:12

say about me and my relationship with

52:14

Houston that I have to acknowledge is

52:17

somebody from way far north right yeah

52:19

how I felt about Houston

52:21

would be a little different a if

52:23

I had lived there past 16 like

52:25

more than one year with a driver's

52:27

license right And number two, if

52:29

I grew up in a different

52:31

part of town, he was in

52:33

a lot more fun to fall

52:36

to the south, you go. Like

52:38

North Side Cads got to be

52:40

real about that. You know what

52:42

I'm saying? Like, ain't nobody on

52:44

the South Side ever been like

52:46

fool? I got cousins on the

52:48

North Side, it doesn't work on

52:50

the North Side. It doesn't work

52:53

that way. You know? Like nobody's

52:55

on the North Side. It doesn't

52:57

work out. We had lights. We

52:59

had lights. We had lights. We had

53:01

lights. I got that to me. You

53:03

know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know

53:06

to you. See, this is also, but

53:08

I'm going to undercut your credibility and

53:10

burn if you listen to this.

53:12

Why would you, hold on, why

53:15

would you feel the need to

53:17

do that? Why would you feel the

53:19

need to say that before you even

53:21

went into it? Because I

53:23

want to be his friend, okay, instead of you. I'm

53:25

just asking, I'm going to just throw this out here

53:27

right now as you try to be his friend and

53:29

not me. Does this, what you, the behavior that you're

53:31

engaging in right now, does this sound like something

53:34

that Pemsi will respect? He would appreciate call-out. Does

53:36

this sound like something that Pemsi will respect? He would

53:38

appreciate call-out culture. I think Chad would appreciate call-out culture.

53:40

I think Chad would appreciate call-out culture. I think chat

53:42

would, does this sound like, he would appreciate, he would,

53:44

he would, he would, he would appreciate? He would, he

53:46

would, he would, he would, he would appreciate. He would

53:48

appreciate. He would appreciate. He would, he would, he would, he would

53:50

appreciate. He would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he

53:52

would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he

53:54

would, he would, he would, he would, he, he would, he would

53:57

69-year-old Kelvin Samson head

53:59

coach. top-seated University of Houston

54:01

Cougars. What about him? Why didn't you,

54:03

I mean you were talking about, oh,

54:05

uh, you know, Cooper Flag and all

54:07

these, you know, I know, you talked

54:09

about Rutgers, you talked about Rutgers, you

54:12

talked about Rutgers, you talked about Rutgers,

54:14

you didn't talk about Houston, man. And

54:16

we're talking about a team that has

54:18

a real chance to be a national

54:20

championship. They did. Why did you bring

54:22

them up? Why did you bring them

54:24

up? What do you have against? What

54:26

do you have. What do you have.

54:28

What do you have. What do you

54:31

have. What do you have. You have.

54:33

You have. You have. You have. That

54:35

kind of under oath. You know I

54:37

don't do that in Joe. I know,

54:39

but I know Burndon for the Longhorn.

54:41

I don't know if, hey, I don't

54:43

know if you know that in number

54:45

two, you know I don't do that

54:47

no more. Sure. Okay. Anyway, so I

54:50

just, I was a little disappointed that,

54:52

you know, the coogs didn't come up,

54:54

you know, and I don't know. By

54:56

the way, you think Elvis Hampton on

54:58

the phone with somebody right now. Only

55:00

man. It's kind of like, you were

55:02

talking about how some team some some

55:04

programs should have swallowed their pride and

55:06

hired Rick Patino. I know Indiana is

55:08

like man, what do we do? It

55:11

was not what they did in the

55:13

time they did it was not unreasonable

55:15

because that team had a lot of

55:17

drama going on like beyond the telephone

55:19

stuff. I'll never forget I covered the

55:21

last game they played that season. They

55:23

played in the NCAA tournament in that

55:25

same pod that Steve Curry said the

55:27

world on fire really in Raleigh. And

55:30

Dan Dockage, my buddy, Dan was the

55:32

interim coach. And I'm not blaming him

55:34

for this to be clear, because trust

55:36

me, if I could, I would, but

55:38

I'm not. I've never seen a team

55:40

more out, more done, flat out quit

55:42

in the way. That was the Eric

55:44

Gordon DJ White. I've never seen a

55:46

team quit on a year, like that

55:49

team clearly had done by the end

55:51

of that year. If you had to

55:53

play for Dan Dockage, you might have,

55:55

you might have, you might have quit

55:57

too. There, you know, I think I

55:59

saw day and decades once I saw

56:01

them in Vegas during the the Summer

56:03

League, and I ain't got no I'm

56:05

not a fan of his and he

56:07

really doesn't like me but I don't

56:10

have any beef at that time. I

56:12

ain't no beef with dockets. I actually

56:14

think one thing is dockets on the

56:16

mic as a color commentator for college

56:18

basketball might have been the best one.

56:20

And the man got the legit claim

56:22

to fame of I helped put the

56:24

clamps on Michael Jordan. Like he got

56:26

all that stuff but I saw him

56:29

in Vegas and I said something and

56:31

he looked a little surprised that I

56:33

said something. He didn't even see to

56:35

have a problem with a problem with

56:37

a problem with a problem with a

56:39

problem with the It didn't feel like

56:41

that when I saw him. And I

56:43

don't mean that like you wouldn't tough.

56:45

I mean that literally like didn't really

56:47

seem like beef. Yeah. What I saw

56:50

him in Vegas. Okay, you know, people

56:52

are different in person. You know what

56:54

I'm saying? Maybe he was surprised he

56:56

was as tall as you were. Yeah,

56:58

but you know what though? That was

57:00

six years ago. I... I think it'd

57:02

be a little more snarly at this

57:04

point. I think, I don't think, I

57:06

don't know, I'd say this, I'd be

57:09

a little more snarly. I mean, well

57:11

I would say about Dan Dockish by

57:13

the way too, is it sort of

57:15

undercuts the argument that Michael Jordan is

57:17

better than Brian. I don't know damn,

57:19

although you know what I know what

57:21

you're going to do and I'm going

57:23

to rebut you. I do think it

57:25

is Jose actually. Yeah, I was that

57:28

did happen. I don't know what you're

57:30

going to say. Well, because I was

57:32

just like, you know, because I was,

57:34

I, I was doing my Jiu-Jitsu. I

57:36

was like, oh, you know what? And

57:38

he gonna, Bo's gonna go right there

57:40

and try to undercut how Braun got

57:42

shut down in the 2011. He did,

57:44

though. Okay, but it wasn't. Dan Dockages

57:46

in five nine. I mean you ain't,

57:49

I mean you would never hear no

57:51

damn doctors talking about I couldn't stop

57:53

burn. I tell you that much. All

57:55

I'm saying is this, how about you

57:57

think Jay Jay out here talking about

57:59

he could stop Michael Jordan? All I'm

58:01

saying is that basically you made a

58:03

good point. There seems to be a

58:05

almost equivalent counterpoint. We should move on.

58:08

real quick about Kelvin Samson because I

58:10

think this dude is like an under

58:12

and I don't know if it's going

58:14

to require I do think he's going

58:16

to make the I'm pretty sure he's

58:18

gonna make the Hall of Fame right

58:20

yes right I mean a final four

58:22

at two schools right and the only

58:24

thing missing on his resume as a

58:27

championship I mean that dude made Oklahoma

58:29

into a power do you remember when

58:31

Oklahoma made the final four do you

58:33

know who the two best players on

58:35

that team were was that how this

58:37

price And not how raw wasn't on

58:39

that team. This is too late. That's

58:41

Hollis Price and who's the other one?

58:43

Aaron McGee. Aaron McGee. Not McKee. No.

58:45

Aaron McGee. MC Capital G. Yeah, neither

58:48

the dudes played in the lead. Neither

58:50

the dudes played in all respect to

58:52

Hollis Price. Hollis Price is a big

58:54

12 legend. I mean, a big 12

58:56

legend. I just. I, you know, for

58:58

his sake, I hope he gets to

59:00

win a championship because I think that

59:02

like he's had like an underrated great

59:04

career and it would just be nice

59:07

to see him get his just due

59:09

props and he's he has resurrected the

59:11

first team I ever loved. The only

59:13

team I, you know, I mean, like

59:15

I grew up, you know, my first

59:17

memory as a fan is Lorenzo Charles.

59:19

Okay. So, I mean, I'm grateful to

59:21

him for what he has done for

59:23

the hometown team, but, you know, I

59:26

know that you didn't feel like bringing

59:28

that up the other day. Hey, look,

59:30

okay, whatever. And shout out to the

59:32

Lumbee out there in North Carolina. I

59:34

mean, yeah, I mean, so I don't

59:36

know a lot about- Shout out to

59:38

the Lumbee out there in North Carolina.

59:40

I mean, so I didn't know, I

59:42

don't know about a lot about the

59:44

Lumbee, but naming, that kind of threw

59:47

me off. I'm going to say this

59:49

very clearly, because very often the Lumbee

59:51

are clearly about clear about this. They

59:53

just say they Lumbee. Calvin throw you

59:55

off though. Samson? Yes, yes, that does.

59:57

Calvin Samson. That does and... I mean

59:59

the... What do you think the

1:00:01

police will put down if

1:00:03

Calvin got arrested? I know

1:00:06

what I think. I'm just telling

1:00:08

you, after my time of living

1:00:10

in North Carolina, what thing I

1:00:12

know is that a lot of

1:00:14

our love be brothers and

1:00:16

sisters are very clear that

1:00:19

they are love be, not

1:00:21

our brothers and sisters. Me

1:00:23

no black, I got it. Just,

1:00:25

just, just tell it. Joe Anderson.

1:00:27

My bad. Check about at the

1:00:29

Ringer. Welcome back east brother. Appreciate

1:00:31

you. Thanks. I can't wait to

1:00:33

see you, bro. Thanks for having

1:00:35

me on. Amen. Appreciate that. Shaw,

1:00:37

man. We got anything from Perplexity.

1:00:39

Yeah, I was I want to

1:00:41

ask perplexity where they thought Jaylyn

1:00:43

Millrow would get drafted and you

1:00:45

know, they're thinking he's expected to

1:00:48

be drafted on day two of

1:00:50

the draft likely in the second

1:00:52

or third round. They said his

1:00:54

draft has fluctuated due to mixed

1:00:56

performances particularly after a less impressive showing

1:00:58

at the senior bowl. But this is

1:01:00

great. Some mock drafts have suggested Millrow

1:01:02

could fall as far as the 52nd

1:01:05

pick to the Pittsburgh. and they would

1:01:07

make tovelin. Then they already have

1:01:09

one of those when they

1:01:11

called it Justin Fields. That's

1:01:13

what I said. Except, except,

1:01:15

except Justin Fields is Drew

1:01:17

Breeze. Yeah, right. Compared to,

1:01:20

uh, compared to Jaylon Millroy.

1:01:22

Fair point. With Jaylon Millroy,

1:01:24

and see, this is the

1:01:26

thing about Joe, people don't

1:01:28

understand, bad. Joe, and I've

1:01:30

talked about this, nobody holding

1:01:32

a grudge like Joe, and

1:01:34

Joe respects people that whole

1:01:36

grudges. That's. when Jaylyn Millrow

1:01:38

became Joe's favorite player. They

1:01:40

said the problem was, Joe

1:01:43

and probably said the same thing

1:01:45

about Jaylyn Millrow. Speak your

1:01:47

truth, you know, speak your truth.

1:01:49

Let them know. Let them know how

1:01:51

they did you. Joe, how long you've been

1:01:54

mad at that one man? Oh, I

1:01:56

mean, he could get it today. How

1:01:58

long did I leave Atlanta to? So

1:02:00

would it way to be closing

1:02:02

on years. Honestly, I thought

1:02:04

it was longer. was longer. I could

1:02:06

of slack. a I thought it

1:02:08

was I thought it it longer. He

1:02:10

know, you know it today and he know,

1:02:12

you know, you know, who you are. You know, you

1:02:14

know who you are. I forgot. You could get it

1:02:16

today. You know laughing saying? laughing I'm

1:02:18

who's not laughing. It's not

1:02:20

a joke. a not a game.

1:02:23

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