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42:01

be Victor Wimbiniyama as soul guy.

42:04

Maybe it's not going to be

42:06

Cooper Flag. Maybe it's going to

42:08

be some guy that does not

42:11

emerge from the AAU culture and

42:13

it's just the guy that's hiding

42:15

in plain sight and then boom,

42:18

he's there. We don't even see

42:20

him because we didn't see

42:22

him coming. I think one thing

42:24

that will help the NBA very

42:27

very soon. is that NIL is going

42:29

to lead to college basketball. I want to

42:31

be careful about saying it'll be overall

42:33

better though I think it will, but what

42:35

I think is going to happen though is

42:38

the talent is going to stick around a

42:40

little bit longer. You're still going to have

42:42

this crazy player mobility that we have now,

42:45

which is basically free agency after every year.

42:47

But I think the guys, and we're not

42:49

necessarily talking about the guys who

42:51

are going to become NBA players,

42:53

but the guys that were coming out. and they

42:55

were only going to be second round picks but

42:57

it was just like my draft stock's not going

43:00

to be any higher I might as well get

43:02

out of here or you might be able to

43:04

stick around and make you some change while you

43:06

in school I think a lot of those guys

43:08

are going to stick around and make that change

43:11

the overall level of play and college basketball is

43:13

going to be elevated and is going to make it

43:15

a much more watchable product, which I think then will

43:17

translate over to the one and done or the two-year

43:19

guys, they're going to be more famous because college basketball

43:21

is going to be a much easier watch and it

43:23

is not going to be a much easier watch and

43:26

it is not been an easy watch for a while.

43:28

It's going to be a whole lot of people that

43:30

get back and be like, when the shot call I

43:32

go to 30 seconds. You know, like I think a

43:34

lot of a lot of that, why I go to

43:36

go to go to go to go to go to

43:38

30 seconds. on that whole operation. I think NIL's gonna

43:40

keep a lot of guys around the college basketball then

43:43

gets better and then maybe from there we

43:45

start building stars again right and you start

43:47

having guys that when they're coming out you

43:49

know who they are like this last draft

43:51

that was stuck out to me you know

43:53

where we had the French dudes going at

43:55

the top man I ain't know who none

43:57

of them people were. Now you know what's

43:59

funny? that you brought that up. The

44:02

number one vote getter amongst the

44:04

guards in the Eastern Conference

44:06

was a guy who did not

44:08

make the all-star game and we saw

44:10

this kid grow up in front

44:12

of our eyes for better or worse

44:14

right? Lamello ball right now that

44:17

style may not be may not scream

44:19

out winner right but the numbers

44:21

in the metric show that he

44:23

connects with people in ways that

44:25

we don't see like maybe is

44:27

big on TikTok and I don't

44:30

know exactly what that means, right?

44:32

But if the NBA is trying

44:34

to consistently chase whatever this voting

44:36

block is that they can't necessarily see,

44:38

I feel like the NBA fan,

44:41

like that voting block consistently changes

44:43

in moves like every three or

44:45

four years, like what they want,

44:47

what they're willing to accept, what

44:50

their desires are. I feel like

44:52

that changes more than maybe any

44:54

other sport. And the NBA has

44:57

a hard time. getting in front

44:59

of it because it changes so

45:01

consistently. Like I'm very curious what

45:03

this like Lamello ball thing or

45:06

what that symbolizes to people because

45:08

we don't see it but we're

45:10

at a different age. Somebody sees

45:12

it we need to figure out why.

45:14

Yeah and the league they're in a

45:17

trick bag with him because until

45:19

he becomes a much

45:21

better basketball player they cannot

45:23

push him. You just like like like

45:26

like you got a I'm always very careful

45:28

about this cam Newton got in trouble

45:30

on this remember I talked about this

45:32

before you got to be real careful

45:34

before you get out here call somebody

45:36

a loser It is the most insulting

45:38

thing that you could say about somebody

45:40

but I tell you this I don't

45:42

have any evidence that he is a winner

45:45

right he is playing for a team that

45:47

does not matter and puts up a lot

45:49

of stats that ultimately do not matter but

45:51

it is a bit terrifying for him when

45:53

you look at how high his usage rate

45:55

is and look at how that scales to

45:58

some of his advanced statistics. Man,

46:00

speaking numerically, because I'm not

46:02

gonna pretend like I watched that team

46:04

play all the time, but speaking just

46:06

off of those stats, those are some

46:09

of the emptiness calories I have

46:11

ever seen. Like, this is, you thought

46:13

Brad Biel was empty calories. Like, when

46:15

Brad Biel, post John Wall, if you

46:17

thought that was empty calories, I don't

46:19

know what you think this is. We

46:21

were having a few of colleagues and

46:23

I, during all stuff, were having a

46:26

conversation about great player, but loser. Right?

46:28

Not like, like, loser, like, loser,

46:30

like, you said, like, it's a

46:32

very touchy thing, so you're gonna

46:35

go out and spot off names.

46:37

But maybe some of the names

46:39

were like, oh, yeah, he's a

46:42

big loser. And it would be

46:44

people that you wouldn't expect, because

46:46

they're on this top 50, top

46:49

75 list, or whatever it

46:51

is. But you know it, when

46:53

you see it. Big loser. I'm

46:55

not showing any vestige of being.

46:57

big winner. Right. That's what it is.

46:59

Like, it feels to me that, and keep

47:01

in mind, this is a dude that's been

47:03

playing professional basketball since he was 15, 16

47:06

years old. Something's got, something's got to, something's

47:08

got to change there. If I'm the hornets, and

47:10

I could find somebody to get me off of

47:12

this, I would accept to your point. He is

47:14

clearly somebody in it. I was about to say that

47:17

he's somebody that he's somebody that people

47:19

would pay money that people would pay money

47:21

to see money to see because we're talking

47:23

about. I don't know if that translates to

47:25

spending money to see or if the problem

47:28

is he people the people who would

47:30

pay money to watch the metal ball

47:32

play basketball don't got no money. Maybe

47:34

that's the maybe that's the situation

47:36

that we got but he clearly

47:38

he clearly captivates. Yes but he doesn't

47:40

connect with the paying public like

47:43

the paying public is something different like

47:45

for one and that's a discussion for

47:47

another day I guess the common fan

47:49

has gotten priced out. of the NBA out

47:51

of NBA arenas like you don't like there's

47:54

a reason that the energy in San Francisco

47:56

and the energy in Oakland was totally different

47:58

is because totally different demos. There's

48:01

a reason for that. And it's a

48:03

matter of who does, I'm going to

48:05

say middle America, because that's kind of

48:07

insulting, but it's a matter of what

48:09

the paying customer is willing to

48:12

connect with and who they view

48:14

is that. Clearly they connect with

48:16

Lukadonchich because they was out there

48:18

bringing out the undertaker, like the

48:20

earn and the casket, bro, did you

48:22

see that? We didn't, we didn't

48:24

have time or other discussion with

48:27

longer than I expected, but I have

48:29

never. I'm just, we try to get five,

48:31

ten minutes off of this before we roll

48:33

out. I've never seen people this mad about

48:35

anything in my life. And I think

48:37

my four U tabs on these various

48:39

things somehow have concluded that I want

48:42

to hear white people really mad about

48:44

Lucca and not that black people don't

48:46

disagree with the move. They just not

48:48

nearly is mad about it. I ain't

48:50

never seen this level of anger. You

48:52

and I talk about this, whenever the

48:54

Lakers go play a game in Dallas

48:56

for the Mavericks. That's the kind of

48:58

thing that could break your relationship between

49:01

your team, like the guys on your

49:03

team and your city, because that arena

49:05

is going to be rooting against

49:07

the home team. And I don't think

49:09

Dallas is ever rooted for the Lakers.

49:11

Like this is not one of those

49:13

relationships where you walk in and you

49:16

give a polite clap. Like, you know,

49:18

like Dallas don't put the Lakers out

49:20

of the playoffs before, where people remember

49:23

that. And now. You're the enemy, but

49:25

you're not quite the enemy. You're like,

49:27

our guy? Like, I don't know what

49:29

to do with that. Like, the only

49:31

thing I can compare. If the Lions

49:34

traded Barry Sanders in his

49:36

prime, like, I quit the Lions

49:38

because he retired because of that bum

49:40

franchise, I would be completely

49:43

undone if they had the goal

49:45

that trade the best thing that ever

49:47

happened to them. Can you imagine? Like,

49:49

you did it with Dominic. And that

49:51

seems like that hurts more than a

49:53

retirement. An interesting difference though is,

49:56

Lucas still isn't even the greatest player

49:58

in the history of the matter. Like

50:00

we still remember that guy, but

50:02

that guy showed up in LA

50:04

for the for the first game

50:06

of the luka era. Oh, yes,

50:08

he did. I don't, I don't

50:10

know how, also, but terrible luck.

50:13

for the Mavericks, that after acquiring Anthony

50:15

Davis, it's not simply that he got

50:17

hurt, is that everybody on their roster

50:19

that's taller than me seems to be

50:22

hurt. And so they have nothing like,

50:24

it sounds, actually right now, it sound

50:26

like I understand why you made the

50:29

train, it's like you needed some big

50:31

men, right? It's more clear than effort,

50:33

why you might want to try to

50:35

make that move. But they all hurt,

50:38

they all hurt. Everybody. And the crazy

50:40

thing was. Anthony Davis put up

50:42

one of the best quarters of his

50:44

life. Like, hey, y'all think y'all think

50:46

when they said A.D. y'all met like

50:49

Antonio Davis. Did y'all think that's who

50:51

y'all traded for? Like the Davis boys

50:53

out of Indiana back in the day?

50:55

No, no, I'm that dude. And maybe

50:57

he came back and played a little

50:59

too early and pushed himself and put

51:01

himself in a spot. But from a basketball

51:04

perspective, Bo. Can I say I

51:06

understand what Dallas is thinking about

51:08

with that one? You win with big,

51:10

I see it. I see it. It's just

51:13

that nobody's ever done anything

51:15

like this before. But I do

51:17

agree with you, and I do

51:19

think that, I think you can

51:22

disagree with something

51:24

while understanding it, right? I

51:26

get why people disagree. I

51:28

am shocked by the levels at

51:30

which people say they do not

51:32

understand. And I again have never

51:34

seen a situation where a team

51:36

has been like this dude is

51:38

fat and lazy and the response

51:40

is so I've never seen that before

51:43

that's brand brand new far right

51:45

right that's brand new as that's brand

51:47

new as far as I'm concerned I've

51:49

never seen anything that came close to

51:51

it one thing I do think that

51:54

does not come up as a thought

51:56

I've seen the argument that people

51:58

make that now they look with the

52:00

Lakers that the Mavericks have fired him up

52:02

and you're going to see da da da

52:05

well okay that don't really matter but so

52:07

much to them he don't play for them

52:09

no more they were never if they thought

52:11

that they could fire him up by keeping

52:14

him obviously I think they would have fired

52:16

him up by keeping him somehow I never

52:18

heard anybody say and maybe this happened almost

52:20

too much because he got hurt but I

52:23

hadn't seen anybody make the argument this going

52:25

to light a fire under Anthony Davis and

52:27

clearly at least for one night it did.

52:29

Can you imagine? How insulted would you be

52:32

if you were Anthony Davis the way people

52:34

was out here talking about him? Like he

52:36

was Antonio Davis. Right. Like in case y'all

52:38

didn't know, I didn't melt down in the

52:41

finals when I was in the NBA finals.

52:43

I maybe very well could have been the

52:45

MVP of the NBA finals the last time.

52:47

I was there. I wasn't a guy who

52:50

melted down. in a fourth quarter of a

52:52

game I had to win picking up a

52:54

fifth foul and then cursing at everybody for

52:57

a challenge when clearly it was a foul

52:59

on me like he's looking around like I

53:01

got a ring I'm one of the best

53:03

bigs in the league period and y'all treat

53:06

me like I'm a bum I bet like

53:08

that's something that I don't think we really

53:10

factored in there and yeah like both since

53:12

we start liking fat people And I would

53:15

say to like me like the only the

53:17

last fat person that we like was what

53:19

Charles Barkley Which I was up and down.

53:21

Yeah, and one thing about Charles also Charles

53:24

was not NBA fat by Charles was college

53:26

fat You know, but once he got in

53:28

there, but no, it's I've just I've never

53:30

I've never seen the backlash like the backlash

53:33

that that has happened here I've never seen

53:35

it I want to see how this continues

53:37

the Lakers are interesting LeBron did that weird

53:39

thing at the all-star game if you weren't

53:42

gonna play that's fine if you weren't gonna

53:44

tell nobody that's fine least you could do

53:46

was wear matching clothes for the picture like

53:48

everybody out here wearing the same thing in

53:51

the picture that that was what was he

53:53

protesting I don't know I wish I wish

53:55

I knew I will tell you this one

53:58

last thing because I think this is a

54:00

point that I don't think has been brought

54:02

up on anywhere, any level. We think of

54:04

Lukadonchic as 15-year guy. He's going to be

54:07

with your franchise for 15 years. You got

54:09

time to figure it out. These GMs, and

54:11

I've told you this, and I've said this

54:13

in general before, in the NBA, only planned

54:16

for two to three years. And then you're

54:18

going to have to figure out something else.

54:20

Like the rebuild, the contending, like other than

54:22

the Oklahoma City, and maybe that's going to

54:25

be a litmus test too for how this

54:27

works, you only got a two or three

54:29

year window, and then you got to figure

54:31

something else out because of the way the

54:34

money works. You don't have time to plan

54:36

for 15 years or 10 more years. That's

54:38

not the NBA. His very existence. offended Nico

54:40

Harrison like Nico Harrison called that man a

54:43

loser That was what this whole thing was

54:45

why did you trade him man? I can't

54:47

handle losers up in my space like that

54:50

that's what and if you believe somebody is

54:52

a loser Don't you have it's him or

54:54

me if I believe my star player is

54:56

a loser one of us has got to

54:59

go but only one of us can trade

55:01

the other way He got to go That's

55:03

if you're drawing that conclusion if you've said

55:05

either through his habits how he played in

55:08

NBA finals or whatever or whatever ancillary evidence

55:10

you have gathered if you have said This

55:12

guy's a loser and I'm trying to win

55:14

I can't both who's the last loser that

55:17

we have turned into a champion not a

55:19

winner who wasn't a champion but a loser

55:21

Bonafide loser. No, you're right. And look, I

55:23

want to be clear. Neither I nor you

55:26

is saying he's a loser. Nope. But Nico

55:28

did. And if you think it, you got

55:30

a boy, you better hope like hell you

55:32

right. Like we're. This Laker season still is

55:35

going to be interesting. Next year is going

55:37

to be really, really interesting. This trade will

55:39

fascinate for such a long time. Like even

55:41

now, the fact that we can still get

55:44

something to talk about out of it is

55:46

amazing. I feel like I'm more sure than

55:48

ever that next year is going to be

55:51

the LeBron retirement tour. Logically, I think it

55:53

makes sense. And it'll be funny because he's

55:55

not the dude to just retire at the

55:57

end of the year. He wants his gifts.

56:00

He is going to get his things. He's

56:02

going, are they going to give him, like,

56:04

did, I don't remember this on the Jordan

56:06

retirement tour, did they give him gifts? No,

56:09

because remember, like 98 people were ambiguous about

56:11

that. No, I'm talking about the O3 one,

56:13

I'm talking about O3. I don't, maybe his

56:15

last game in a couple, like in Chicago

56:18

or in Green got a gift everywhere. He

56:20

got a boat, that man got a boat.

56:22

He got a motorcycle. What do you give

56:24

LeBron when he don't put your ass out

56:27

of the playoffs year? Wow. Yeah, LeBron wants

56:29

the retirement tour of all retirement tours. Like,

56:31

I could just see all of that happening.

56:33

It'll be the CoachK retirement tour. Like, it

56:36

was so funny. People like, we know Coach

56:38

Kay won't want a retirement tour. Like, oh,

56:40

you don't know Coach Kay. I mean, what

56:43

do you give LeBron when he don't put

56:45

your ass out of the playoffs year after

56:47

year? Hey, LeBron. Toronto's going to give him

56:49

a giant middle finger. That's where they're going

56:52

to give him. Toronto. Toronto's gonna give him

56:54

directions to the airport. That's where they're going

56:56

to get him. Tell out of here. Couldn't

56:58

have been. Couldn't have. Yeah, couldn't have come

57:01

a day sooner. Couldn't have come a day

57:03

sooner. Couldn't have come a day sooner. But

57:05

that is very goodwill. Check out the Good

57:07

Word podcast available where all five podcasts are

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giving away for free. Yeah, but I sure

57:12

do. Basketball is back tonight, so let's take

57:14

Luca Donjage against the Charlotte Hornets 41. points

57:16

rebounds and I'll take more

57:19

more there LeBron James 23 a

57:21

half points. I'll I'll take

57:23

more there he sat of

57:25

the all star game

57:28

to be healthy for

57:30

this matchup against the the

57:32

Hornets and 24 and a

57:34

half points. Let's take

57:37

more there as well.

57:39

there as well didn't realize

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