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And I'm Chenminadi. And we have

1:09

got a case of white Lotus

1:11

fever across our office. You really

1:14

can hear people talking about it

1:16

in all corners of the office.

1:18

It's sort of, it's rare in

1:21

the age of streaming to have

1:23

something that everyone's collectively guessing about

1:25

and sort of in on the

1:27

same timeline. Next week is the

1:30

finale. And I really have no

1:32

idea who's going to be murdered.

1:34

We actually started a like

1:37

a... a staff Google sheets for people

1:39

to air their theories. And

1:41

they're very varied. And I really

1:43

appreciate that. I even asked Kerry

1:46

McDermott, British folks, website editor, what

1:48

her thoughts were, and she brought

1:50

up a new one, which was

1:53

that she thinks Lisa is going

1:55

to kill someone. That's a surprise

1:58

choice, which I like. Wow. is

2:01

White Lotus Mania taking over the

2:03

British Bogh office? Are you guys

2:05

less invested? I think it has.

2:07

I'm trying to stay away from

2:10

people talking about it because I'm

2:12

really behind. on my episodes. Oh,

2:14

interesting. So don't reveal too much.

2:17

I kind of need to catch

2:19

it. I need to like spend

2:21

a weekend catching up. I actually

2:23

have been going to the theater

2:26

a lot this week. I've been

2:28

to the theater twice. Oh, my

2:30

God, what have you seen? I

2:33

went to see the seagull. Oh,

2:35

how is that? It was amazing.

2:37

It was kind of like a

2:39

reminder that like, yeah, why theater

2:42

so amazing. Oh, I love to

2:44

hear that. I love British Folks'

2:46

feature on the cast. I thought

2:49

the shoot was so great. Yeah,

2:51

such an amazing cast. I mean,

2:53

Cape, the sort of exquisite Cape

2:55

Blanchett, Emma Correns in it, Cody,

2:58

Fitzmi. It's just got an incredible

3:00

cast, but beyond that, it's just

3:02

a wonderful piece of theater. The

3:05

original is obviously the checkoff, but

3:07

it's really well adapted. I have

3:09

not seen another staging of the

3:11

play, but my mother saw it

3:14

years ago and she was sort

3:16

of talking about it. And it

3:18

was just so amazing how they

3:21

seamlessly updated the script to make

3:23

it fit for modern time. So

3:25

anybody who's a creative person, like...

3:27

can relate to the themes and

3:30

there are sort of bigger universal

3:32

themes that sort of connect to

3:34

now that feel, it just felt

3:37

like really urgent and I think

3:39

that's so important. What was the

3:41

second thing you saw? I saw

3:43

a play called The Years, which

3:45

is getting a lot of attention

3:47

here. It has a reputation, a

3:49

kind of controversial reputation, but I

3:51

thought it was a really powerful

3:53

piece of theatre too, so I've

3:56

had quite two quite intense theatre.

3:58

experiences this week. I'm feeling very

4:00

proud of myself. I'm feeling... very

4:02

cultured. You're so cultured, Joma. I'm

4:04

feeling so cultured and smart and

4:06

I've got stuff to talk about.

4:08

What are you reading, Joma? Expanned

4:10

how cultured you are. Yeah, I

4:12

am reading, I've just, it's actually

4:14

not a new book, but it's

4:16

a it's a writer I've been

4:18

kind of, I've heard about for

4:20

a long time in that we

4:23

recently profiled called Sabasam, she's an

4:25

amazing young writer, writer, and she

4:27

wrote this, I love short stories.

4:29

And she has a collection of

4:31

short stories called Send Nudes. That's

4:33

amazing. And that was originally, that

4:35

was kind of like her, it's

4:37

not a new book, so, but

4:39

she has a new book coming

4:41

out, but I wanted to kind

4:43

of read her first book first.

4:45

And it's so good, it's so

4:47

fresh. And yeah, I just kind

4:50

of, I'm not someone who is

4:52

good at finding time to read

4:54

either. I know you're so, you

4:56

have a reading practice. No, it's

4:58

so hard. No, but you have

5:00

a reading practice. I mean you

5:02

read before bedtime which I should

5:04

do but But yeah my new

5:06

my new bedtime ritual is kind

5:08

of nuts. You're gonna you're gonna

5:10

really I tell you my bed

5:12

Okay, tell us I have a

5:14

new bedtime ritual I have a

5:17

new bedtime ritual I had someone

5:19

who who recommended this device is

5:21

another kind of like, I have

5:23

two devices I'm using at night

5:25

and one is it's called a

5:27

sensate. It's kind of helps to

5:29

ease your anxiety and it gets

5:31

you into a meditative state before

5:33

you sleep and you put it

5:35

on your chest and it vibrates.

5:37

And then I also am using

5:39

a PMF mat with infrared heat.

5:41

So I'm doing it all at

5:44

the same time and it's meant

5:46

to help with your inflammation. It's

5:48

like higher dose, have it. And

5:50

anyway, I've been sort of trying

5:52

it out. And yeah, that's my

5:54

new bedtime ritual. It's insane. I

5:56

feel like I'm like, like one

5:58

of those like biohacking health bros,

6:00

but that's me. Yeah, I have

6:02

to say White Lotus does not

6:04

help my sleep regimen, my sleep

6:06

hygiene because it's on at 9

6:08

p.m. And I usually like to

6:10

be winding down around 930 and

6:13

I'm all amped up by the

6:15

end of White Lotus. Speaking of

6:17

White Lotus, we are very excited

6:19

to have Amy Lou Wood on

6:21

the show today. She stars as

6:23

Chelsea. She's so... heavenly. I'm so

6:25

excited that we're talking to her.

6:27

Yeah, me too. She was also

6:29

Amy Gibbs in sex education. Hannah

6:31

Jackson, our fashion writer, and I

6:33

had a lot of questions about

6:35

the latest episode of White Lotus

6:37

and speculating what might happen in

6:40

the finale. And so Amy is

6:42

like her character, very enlightened and

6:44

enlightening. So stay tuned for that.

6:46

But first, I want to hear

6:48

more choma about what is going

6:50

on in the UK this week.

6:52

Well, I mean, did we talk

6:54

about the vintage? Did you, did

6:56

you, did we, at sale, we

6:58

talked about our vintage sale with

7:00

Lila and Margo on Monday morning,

7:02

and it was Fab. We had

7:04

a really, everyone had such a

7:07

good time. It was such great

7:09

vibes. Everyone was like standing in

7:11

line around the block. I got

7:13

a Dries blazer that looks like

7:15

the White Lotus credits. No way.

7:17

Moody, Lotus, Prince, Shinse. But yeah,

7:19

yours just from social looked fantastic

7:21

and really fun and cool. Yeah,

7:23

I feel like we should be

7:25

doing more of these. I see

7:27

more of these invokes future. I

7:29

felt like it was kind of

7:31

like what I do in my

7:34

downtime anyway, so it didn't feel

7:36

like not the events ever feel

7:38

like work, but it felt even

7:40

more kind of like deep in

7:42

on the obsessions that I already.

7:44

you know that I'm late and

7:46

I'm usually late like scrolling on

7:48

what I've stopped doing that now

7:50

because obviously I'm I'm lying on

7:52

a mat listening to I know

7:54

I'm listening to gongs and have

7:56

a sense that pebble is not

7:58

letting you scroll But

8:01

it was really fun. I've I got

8:03

a ton of things. Oh my god,

8:05

you did? What did she did? Because

8:08

I'm like a vintage like nerd. I

8:10

got like this 1997 moo moo

8:12

cardigan, which is absolutely adorable

8:15

which I wore the exact

8:17

next day and got lots

8:20

of compliments about. So I

8:22

was very happy with that. I got

8:24

like a very iconic Phoebe

8:26

Filo era Chloe top with

8:29

the bananas. across the boobes, that

8:31

is quite fun, and is very

8:33

collectible, so I was very happy

8:35

with that. I got this Vivian

8:38

Westwood, I'm very into Westwood at

8:40

the moment, as you know, and

8:42

I got this lovely black and

8:45

white, very graphic Vivian Westwood, kind

8:47

of button up Boucier Blouse top

8:49

that I'm excited for. Oh, and

8:51

I got this Martin Rose, beer

8:54

mat top, which I have the

8:56

hoodie, but I've always wanted the

8:58

zip-up-up-up top, so like. Yeah, there

9:01

you go. It's just me being

9:03

complete, like, overdoing it on

9:05

the vintage sale, but it

9:07

was, it was well worth

9:10

it, and I loved it. So,

9:12

yeah, it was a really good

9:14

time. I mean, what else is

9:16

going on in the world?

9:18

I am watching White Lotus,

9:20

I'm watching, um... There's

9:23

a new Agatha Christie

9:26

coming out with Angelica

9:28

Houston that is something

9:31

called like toward zero

9:33

that I'm very excited

9:36

about. It's extremely

9:38

on my alley. And it

9:40

is also the 250th anniversary

9:43

of, is it Jane Austin's

9:45

death or of her birth? Yes,

9:47

I went to, oh, fun fact.

9:50

So I went to. I went and

9:52

you know who references the Queen

9:54

because I went last week I

9:56

forgot to mention that I went

9:58

to Clarence House. I love when

10:00

Chalma casually drops that she's been

10:02

to palaces. Yeah, and it was

10:05

very, it was super cool, it

10:07

was a really cool crowd and

10:09

it's for this, this charity that

10:11

the, that the Queen's support, well,

10:13

that the Queen established called The

10:15

Reading Room, which is all about

10:17

encouraging literacy and getting people to

10:20

read and, you know, when you

10:22

hear about the stats. and exactly

10:24

like what reading can do for

10:26

your mental health and how little

10:28

people now read because obviously we're

10:30

sort of in this digital age

10:33

and inundated and you know our

10:35

attention spans are so small but

10:37

she's really doing Her majesty is

10:39

doing a lot to to really

10:41

boost that and it was it

10:43

was she gave such a fantastic

10:45

speech and she mentioned Jane Austin

10:48

and then she had all these

10:50

artifacts. She had like the first,

10:52

I think it was like the

10:54

first Pride and Prejudice that, whoever

10:56

was a monarch at the time

10:58

requested an advanced copy of Pride

11:00

and Prejudice and she had it

11:03

there on display so we could

11:05

all see it. That's so fun.

11:07

Yeah, yeah, but I'm very embarrassed.

11:09

They were all of these like

11:11

Jane Austin artifacts on display in

11:13

Clarence House and it was as

11:15

a real treat to meet her

11:18

to meet the Queen which I

11:20

did and briefly it wasn't the

11:22

first time I've met her but

11:24

I met her again and She

11:26

was lovely and an excellent host.

11:28

We also did a piece about

11:30

how one of the hot trends

11:33

for the spring are Jane Austin

11:35

Bangs, which I thought was very

11:37

fine. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. I

11:39

mean, they're also kind of like

11:41

the micro, they're kind of like...

11:43

Kind of like micro curl curly

11:45

banks. Yeah, exactly there's been a

11:48

lot it sort of feels like

11:50

I think we talked about this

11:52

a little last week But it

11:54

does feel like there's sort of

11:56

you know spring culture preview in

11:58

the air in New York as

12:00

it gets warmer The frick has

12:03

its great reopening in a couple

12:05

weeks and last night or two

12:07

nights ago they had their big

12:09

reopening gala which for the first

12:11

time had dinner in the fraginar

12:13

room which is a big deal

12:15

for wow very few people okay

12:18

oh I do have a I

12:20

do have something I'm excited about

12:22

this week actually that's news related

12:24

I don't know if you looked

12:26

at the the the LVMH prize

12:28

finalists but there are so many

12:30

great British designers on there that

12:33

I'm excited about. Steve O. Smith,

12:35

who's from the UK, is fantastic.

12:37

Tolucco, who is one of my

12:39

favorites and did one of the

12:41

best presentations during London Fashion Week.

12:43

And Toreseju, who we've talked about

12:46

on this podcast because She designed

12:48

Zendaya War some of her looks

12:50

on the red carpet during her

12:52

dune tour and so it was

12:54

really really cool to see like

12:56

three amazing names on that list

12:58

so we'll see we'll see when

13:01

the the shortlisted names will be

13:03

will be announced I guess on

13:05

September 3rd so yeah like I'm

13:07

here for the Brits I hope

13:09

I hope my guys get through

13:11

that through to that final round

13:13

I'm excited Oh yeah, wait, Chalma,

13:16

I want to talk about are

13:18

people in the UK obsessed with

13:20

the Beatles cast that was announced

13:22

for the four films that are

13:24

coming out in 2028? Uh, yeah,

13:26

they are totally obsessed. Are you

13:28

kidding me? It's Paul Meskel as

13:31

Paul McCartney, Barry Kogan as Ringo.

13:33

Harris Dickinson is John Lennon, Joseph

13:35

Quinn from Gladiator as George Harrison.

13:37

Can we just pause to appreciate

13:39

Harris Dickinson as John Lennon? It's

13:41

crazy. I feel like it was

13:43

Maya who said that it's almost

13:46

like they took like pop culture

13:48

AI and was like, who are

13:50

the four people that the internet

13:52

is thirstiest for? And let's put

13:54

them in the lab. It is

13:56

crazy. It is crazy. It is

13:58

crazy. And now we're thinking who

14:01

we're going to be. the Beatles

14:03

women. Anna Kefoll is working on

14:05

a dream casting piece on that.

14:07

Amy Lou Wood is being rumored

14:09

for Patty Boyd. And some

14:12

people are saying that Anna

14:14

Sawai would be great as

14:16

Yoko Ono. Oh, that's a good

14:18

shout. Okay, we will be back

14:21

and digging into all things

14:23

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14:25

Wood in just a moment.

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16:54

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16:57

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18:30

talked to think that Chelsea

18:32

is getting killed. She goes

18:34

to do that. Do they?

18:36

Do they? Mm. Very concerned.

18:38

But yeah, the theories have

18:40

abounded. I am so desperate

18:42

for it to just be

18:44

out. I got sent the scripts,

18:47

so I have known the whole

18:49

story when I was 29 years

18:51

old. I'm now 31. You've been

18:53

carrying the weight of these secrets

18:55

for so long? And I just

18:57

need everyone to know now, I

19:00

just need it to be a

19:02

part of the collective. I just

19:04

have to, I'm desperate. I actually

19:06

cannot wait until Sunday for this

19:08

exact reason. You're so close. I'm

19:10

so close. You, like your character

19:12

has such great facial expressions on

19:14

the show and I feel like

19:17

we all love them and they get

19:19

so much like chatter online. I've lost

19:21

cats, loves them. I love Evan. Always

19:23

in the roundup. Yes. Do you have

19:25

a poker face yourself? We've been carrying

19:27

this for two years. I must do

19:29

on some level, but I don't think

19:31

I, I mean, I, I, my face,

19:33

I just, I saw these women in

19:35

an elevator yesterday and I'm saying elevator

19:37

because I'm American now because I've been

19:40

here for a week. But when I

19:42

say lift, people think I mean lift

19:44

is in like taxi. Yeah. But in

19:46

the elevator, it was these women who

19:48

do Botox. We were talking about how

19:50

it's obvious I haven't had it. Because

19:53

of how expressive my head is and

19:55

my eyebrows. I think that's a real

19:57

concern for actors. The two of us...

20:00

of you, Chloe Feynman from S&L, and

20:02

she does a very famous Malania Trump

20:04

impersonation. Yes, I love it. And she

20:06

got Botox on just on her chin

20:09

because she wanted to make her her

20:11

forehead was still movable, but they did

20:13

it slightly uneven, so she couldn't do

20:15

the whole Malania face. And really, it

20:18

really affected such a real career move.

20:20

Yeah, I'm really not. I'm like very

20:22

anti-botox, not as in like just people

20:25

can do whatever the hell they want,

20:27

but for myself, because, you know, you

20:29

know, you know, my career relies on

20:31

these facial expressions as Evan has confirmed.

20:34

So I can't start freezing my face.

20:36

It needs to move. But sometimes it

20:38

moves too much. And it is weird.

20:41

Sometimes I watch things back and I

20:43

go, Jesus, I didn't know. I wasn't

20:45

aware that I was using my face

20:47

that much in that moment. I actually

20:50

thought I was being quite like, I

20:52

remember getting like trying to do the

20:54

whole still, you know, because a lot

20:57

of people are very... They do that

20:59

very still acting and everything's kind of

21:01

mumbled and everything's kind of like still

21:03

and they they look really like hot

21:06

and cool. That's not true. I'm just

21:08

like like my face just. So I

21:10

don't think I'll ever play a part

21:13

that has a poker face because I

21:15

can't do it. Even when I think

21:17

I'm doing it, I'm not doing it.

21:19

Do you play poker? I don't play

21:22

poker. But I wish I did. I

21:24

did. I know me too. Seems so

21:26

difficult. Seems so cool. It seems like

21:29

hot. One of the coolest women I've

21:31

ever met, she used to have an

21:33

all-women poker game that she did in

21:35

New York City. Yeah, and I feel

21:38

like there should be a TV show

21:40

about it. Should we shoot that? Honestly,

21:42

like I feel like there should be

21:45

a TV show every week, every episode

21:47

would be a different poker player about

21:49

a different one of the women. Yeah,

21:51

well you heard it you're first. Yeah.

21:54

Amy makes her writing, editorial debut and

21:56

poker debut and poker debut. Yeah. With

21:58

Leslie and her best friend, it didn't

22:01

feel... everyone was sort of on vacation

22:03

together did were you all hanging out

22:05

afterward it felt I think everyone thought

22:07

it was gonna feel a bit more

22:10

like a vacation and then it turns

22:12

out we were working a lot and

22:14

we're living on the set which is

22:17

very unusual you don't live on work

22:19

without it no it was there was

22:21

none it was the Truman show and

22:23

I think it felt more like the

22:26

time that we spent together and the

22:28

debriefs and the drinks and that it

22:30

was so beautiful and gorgeous but it

22:32

felt less vacation and more like family.

22:35

It felt like a kind of dysfunctional,

22:37

glorious family. It was very, we needed

22:39

each other, we really needed each other.

22:42

And did people bring their families, their

22:44

friends, their partners? Yes, and that was

22:46

massively helpful. So like when Pete, Michelle's

22:48

husband, came with their kids and they

22:51

stayed for a long time. that was

22:53

really lovely because they brought the outside

22:55

world in with them and actually gave

22:58

us some context and we were all

23:00

kind of in this bubble and then

23:02

they were there and it was very

23:04

soothing and any time a kind of

23:07

partner came or a family it just

23:09

kind of brought the real world into

23:11

this bubble in a very helpful way

23:14

and also Sam which was a big

23:16

secret but now it's not a secret

23:18

you know Sam and Leslie, Sam Rockwell,

23:20

who comes in in episode five, I

23:23

think. Yeah, it was very lovely when

23:25

he got there because Leslie and I

23:27

had been, were really, really, really close

23:30

and then, I mean, we still speak

23:32

every day. And we were, yeah, we

23:34

were just hanging out the whole time.

23:36

She's Scorpio Sun, I'm Scorpio Moon, we're

23:39

very much bonded. But then it was

23:41

so lovely because when Sam got there.

23:43

she became even more Leslie. Like it

23:46

was like I got an extra layer

23:48

that came when Sam got there because

23:50

they're just the best couple. So that

23:52

kind of towards the end when he

23:55

got there and we were all in

23:57

Bangkok and we were in a city

23:59

and we were kind of in the

24:02

world. Film in Bangkok too? Yeah, so

24:04

all the kind of intimate scenes were

24:06

filmed in a studio. Oh, interesting. So

24:08

they kind of rebuilt the villa rooms

24:11

and we did them in a studio

24:13

in Bangkok. Oh, wow. So we ended

24:15

it there and it felt like the

24:18

right place to end it because it

24:20

was a city and we could go,

24:22

you know, we could be in the

24:24

world. You know, you talking about living

24:27

this bubble and the resort honestly makes

24:29

me think of like the Bachelor a

24:31

little bit. And the cast needed each

24:34

other, can you talk a little bit

24:36

about the challenges of being in that

24:38

environment and how you leaned on each

24:40

other? Well, Mike loves Reality TV. So,

24:43

I mean, he looks it. He's been

24:45

on Survivor, the amazing race. Like, he

24:47

loves it. And I love Mike because

24:49

I think so much of his genius

24:52

is down to the fact that he's

24:54

not a snop. He will take references

24:56

from Greek tragedy, but also Survivor. You

24:59

know? So it's a... It's a real

25:01

mix and he's got such a range

25:03

of references and interests and passions and

25:05

he just likes what he likes and

25:08

he uses all of it and he

25:10

just channels all of it into these

25:12

scripts and he barely takes any time

25:15

to write them because he's just such

25:17

a vessel for this whatever the hell's

25:19

going. He's just a stream of consciousness

25:21

and it's there and there's so many

25:24

amazing clever details but also he loves

25:26

reality TV and so it felt a

25:28

bit like that we were kind of...

25:31

in a bit of a reality TV

25:33

show and there's fun and mischief and

25:35

it's very playful and mischievous and childlike

25:37

curiosity and but the flip side of

25:40

it is the work-life balance is fair

25:42

you you are it would be like

25:44

night everyone I walk two steps and

25:47

that's my house like there's so many

25:49

amazing parts of living in a beautiful

25:51

hotel but it becomes your whole world

25:53

most of the places that we were

25:56

in, it was only cast and cruised.

25:58

The only people that you're seeing are

26:00

each other. You can't cook, you get

26:03

a lot of your self-esteem from doing

26:05

things that are mundane. So doing your

26:07

own laundry, folding it, putting it away,

26:09

making some food, walking to the grocery

26:12

shop, buying the groceries. Like, that's how

26:14

you feel like a human. So then

26:16

when you're, everything's being done for you,

26:19

your self-esteem actually takes a bit of

26:21

a hit, actors are already quite infantilised.

26:23

You can't even go to the Lou

26:25

without it being like someone coming with

26:28

you and standing outside the door. So

26:30

it's already, when you're on set, it's

26:32

already like, everyone knows my every move.

26:35

But the release of that is at

26:37

the end of the day, you're like,

26:39

goodbye and you get driven. and you're

26:41

in your own space, and you can

26:44

kind of decompress. That was not happening

26:46

here. Everyone knew what villa we were

26:48

in. It feels like you've been watched

26:51

the whole time, like a reality TV

26:53

show. So it did start to feel...

26:55

A bit mad, a bit nuts. How

26:57

long was it? Seven months? Seven. Wow,

27:00

that is unbelievable. All of us living

27:02

together for sort of a month. Exactly.

27:04

I feel like it already, but like.

27:06

Yeah, it already does, like jobs like

27:09

hours where our work is like our

27:11

whole life already pretty much. So then

27:13

you add on, no, it actually is,

27:16

because you're never going home, you're never

27:18

just leaving set. So yeah, we needed

27:20

a lot of, we needed to create

27:22

home within each other. Yeah, because we

27:25

couldn't. That's a nice way to probably.

27:27

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's so lovely

27:29

the way you talk about your your

27:32

colleagues and now friends and we heard

27:34

a bit obviously you've talked about your

27:36

bond with Leslie and your your Scorpio

27:38

bond we heard Walton Goggins was also

27:41

involved in your Scorpio. Chloe and I

27:43

are both Scorpio sons. So we're very

27:45

excited. I wear my necklace today. Oh

27:48

my god. I love scorpio. She's so

27:50

horrified. We have so many in this

27:52

office. You know what's really interesting is

27:54

that. So Park is a Scorpio, Walton's

27:57

a Scorpio, Leslie's a Scorpio and I

27:59

just I just love Scorpios. But then

28:01

I also had this. astrology reading and

28:04

I am basically Chelsea who just looks

28:06

for meaning in astrology any aground all

28:08

of that stuff like tell me who

28:10

I am and then I had this

28:13

Zoom with this amazing astrologer and she

28:15

said, what's really interesting is where you

28:17

are as well, the astrocardography of the

28:20

place is scorpionic. Oh. So the locations

28:22

we were in had heavy scorpio energy.

28:24

The cast had heavy scorpio energy. So

28:26

she was at as a scorpion moon.

28:29

You are very much underwater right now.

28:31

You are in the kind of plutonium.

28:33

rebirth, death, scorpio, vibe, and you need

28:36

to like use your Aquarius to like

28:38

go to the air, take a step

28:40

back, look at the macro, look at

28:42

the bigger picture, and then you need

28:45

to use your tourist rising to go

28:47

and stand on a beach and just

28:49

feel your feet on the earth. Nice

28:52

that you have that to ground yourself.

28:54

Yes, so it was very, very, very,

28:56

very scorpio, which is my, in many

28:58

ways, my comfort zone, but also, you

29:01

know, Patrick was so great, because he's

29:03

a Virgo. earthy, you know, be like,

29:05

what have you been doing in your

29:07

room, Amy? And I'd be like, I've

29:10

just been having so many epiphanies about

29:12

life and, you know, and the connections

29:14

and the patterns and the this and

29:17

the that, and he'd be like, why?

29:19

And I'd be like, because it's, and

29:21

I didn't really, I love what you're

29:23

doing with them. Maybe you should take

29:26

all those theories out for a walk.

29:28

Should we go for a walk? And

29:30

I was like, Is he the one

29:33

who called you The Fox? So everyone

29:35

came out, so Charlotte started that. Charlotte

29:37

LeBahn, who is also a Virgo, she

29:39

starts, she was like little fox, little

29:42

fox because everyone's like, she's just a

29:44

little fox because I would come out

29:46

and get scraps and go back in.

29:49

And we played this psychology game where

29:51

you have to say like your three

29:53

favorite animals. And the big reveal is.

29:55

Your first choice is how you want

29:58

to be seen. The second is how

30:00

you are actually seen. And the third

30:02

is who you really are. I just

30:05

played this at dinner with my friends

30:07

a few weeks ago. It's such a

30:09

good game. Obviously I've ruined it now

30:11

because I've told what the spoiler is.

30:14

But Walton and I both put foxes

30:16

as our last animal. So if we

30:18

really are. Yeah. You have to. The

30:21

first is who you want to be.

30:23

How you want to be. Yeah. how

30:25

you are actually seen. So it's how

30:27

you want to be seen, how you're

30:30

actually seen, and then who you really are.

30:32

Okay. What was your first and second? So

30:34

my first, so we have to put, you

30:36

have to say the animal and then the

30:38

three reasons why. So for it, so I've

30:40

got everyone's by the way, on my phone

30:42

I've got every person in the cast's animal.

30:44

Do you think they like really... were accurate.

30:46

Every single one was so accurate,

30:48

like Michelle's last, like her third

30:50

one was koala. It was sleepy,

30:53

a great mom and chill. And

30:55

that is exactly, it was so

30:57

funny because she was napping. She

30:59

loves a kid so much, she

31:01

is an amazing mom and she's

31:03

the biggest chiller, she's just the

31:06

most, so everyone's was just weirdly

31:08

accurate. Yeah. But I think that my,

31:10

I think how I wanted to be seen

31:12

was, I think I put a monkey. I

31:14

think I put a monkey. like

31:16

cheeky playful and then how I was

31:18

actually seen was a dog

31:21

loyal friendly and something loving

31:23

or something and then who I

31:25

actually was was a fox which

31:28

was like survivor cue loyal like

31:30

so it's saying it's a good game

31:32

yeah so were you the instigator

31:35

oh yeah okay always the psychology

31:37

games and things like that was

31:39

always me The

31:46

run through

31:49

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31:52

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listen to little old men wherever you

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get your podcast. Was anyone on set

32:50

a method actor who made it hard

32:52

to relax with? I think that we

32:55

all became a little accidentally method. It

32:57

wasn't even on purpose. It was just

32:59

that there is no escape. like there

33:01

were nights where we would be out

33:04

for dinner and people would be saying

33:06

lines for bait him from the show

33:08

and they didn't even know they were

33:11

doing it and it would be like

33:13

whoa your character says that. So I

33:15

think I was accidentally method because like

33:18

Mia who was doing my hair halfway

33:20

through was like baby you need to

33:22

go home because I don't know if

33:25

I'm talking to Chelsea or Amy. Wow.

33:27

And I was like I don't know

33:29

who I am. So because also we're

33:31

all expressing different facets of facets of

33:34

Mike. You know, Walton was very, there

33:36

was a lot of personal mirroring going

33:38

on between Rick and his story and

33:41

to do with Thailand and the place

33:43

and it wasn't that he was particularly,

33:45

I'm not ever going to not be

33:48

Rick, but there was a energy that

33:50

he remained in, not even on purpose,

33:52

but you know, he was in a

33:54

very rich place. I was then kind

33:57

of like naturally pushed into quite a

33:59

Chelsea place because Chelsea's the one that's

34:01

like, come on, come on, come on,

34:04

and there was a lot of times

34:06

where Walton would kind of, you know,

34:08

walk off and it would be very,

34:11

leave Mr. Goggins to do his thing.

34:13

And I would just come over and

34:15

be like, oye, oye, needs to talk

34:18

to you. he was saying today that

34:20

he was thankful for that because it

34:22

was like thanks for calling my bluff

34:24

because I don't really want to stand

34:27

over here being the lone wolf in

34:29

the same way that Rick doesn't really

34:31

want to stand over there and he's

34:34

actually just very soft and sweet but

34:36

yeah I think that everyone just kind

34:38

of apart from Patrick like Patrick is

34:41

so not Saxon but everyone else has

34:43

got some kind of essential tie to

34:45

their character not the behavior necessarily because

34:47

We've not had the same lives as

34:50

them, but the essence. Everyone's essence is

34:52

pretty similar to their character. Apart from

34:54

Patrick, he's nothing like Saxon. As we've

34:57

heard recently. I know there was a

34:59

great headline yesterday that was like, Maria

35:01

Shriver says her son is nothing like

35:04

Saxon, which is like such a mom

35:06

sort of entering the chat. But it's

35:08

true. And I think it's really, it

35:11

is funny because all of us are

35:13

so essentially similar. apart from him that

35:15

and also Saxon has been getting so

35:17

much shit that I think it is

35:20

like just know that Patrick is not

35:22

Saxon you have to know I find

35:24

one of the most endearing qualities of

35:27

Chelsea is how forgiving she is how

35:29

forgiving she is I wonder if you

35:31

think her endless forgiveness for Rick is

35:34

a power or her weakness so interesting

35:36

that you asked me that because I've

35:38

been thinking a lot about this and

35:41

she taught me so much playing her

35:43

about where I can trip up in

35:45

life and it was very illuminating and

35:47

helpful because the points where she started

35:50

to really annoy me and I never

35:52

judged my character because that's like the

35:54

death of the performance and all that

35:57

but there would be moments where naturally

35:59

I would be like Chelsea like something

36:01

in my book would be like Chelsea.

36:04

see and it taught me a lot

36:06

about myself and I think that there's

36:08

this stubborn belief in fate and that

36:10

things are predetermined and they're written and

36:13

actually whilst that can be magical and

36:15

whatever it also can be quite disempowering

36:17

because it means that she's saying that

36:20

she doesn't have choice that she doesn't

36:22

have free will and that's where she

36:24

and Rick are really similar. is they're

36:27

both gone into like he's kind of

36:29

saying I don't have a choice here

36:31

this guy robbed me of my life

36:34

and now I have to seek revenge

36:36

because I don't have a choice yeah

36:38

and Chelsea's like yes you do you

36:40

could be here with me that could

36:43

be a choice but then at the

36:45

same time she's going I don't have

36:47

a choice Rick's my soulmate. There's nothing

36:50

I can do about it. It's me

36:52

and him. It's the universe. The universe

36:54

has spoken. It's decided. So both of

36:57

them are quite similar and they are

36:59

two sides of the coin and both

37:01

of them have prescribed to this notion

37:04

that they don't have choice that their

37:06

lives have been written for them. And

37:08

so I think that Chelsea's is a

37:10

more likable... version of that so people

37:13

like look how selfless she is yeah

37:15

how but actually she's a great deflector

37:17

like she's always going Rick is so

37:20

mysterious you're so secretive we don't know

37:22

anything about Chelsea she's so mysterious so

37:24

she like puts all of her attention

37:27

on him as a way to not

37:29

be seen and actually I think that

37:31

a lot of anxious attached people are

37:33

avoidance because they go for avoidant people

37:36

so that they don't have to be

37:38

seen and intimacy is into Meecy and

37:40

she's with someone who she knows is

37:43

unable at this point in his life

37:45

to fully see her and that might

37:47

suit her in a way what's weird

37:50

about Saxon and Chelsea is that Saxon

37:52

really likes being seen by her even

37:54

if it's brutal yeah and she's like

37:57

you're soulless and you should change everything

37:59

about yourself He's like, give it to

38:01

me, give it to me. And actually,

38:03

I think that moment on the bed

38:06

where she kind of hits him away

38:08

is because he is weirdly in his

38:10

own way seeing her. And I think

38:13

that she likes to be the seeer

38:15

and not the scene. So I've been

38:17

getting a lot of people maybe like,

38:20

why is Chelsea with Rick like he's

38:22

so mean to her? And I'm going,

38:24

there's secondary game from this. She gets

38:26

to. not really think about herself and

38:29

her responsibility to herself and just go

38:31

hell for leather on this life mission

38:33

in the same way that he's very

38:36

blocked about his life mission like it's

38:38

yeah they're both doing the same thing

38:40

but hers is more romantic and girly

38:43

and so everyone prefers that version but

38:45

I think they are quite similar in

38:47

the way that they have gone I

38:50

don't have a choice or a say

38:52

in any of this well you do

38:54

you've got free will both of you

38:56

So I think it's both her blessing

38:59

Anna Kurz. To me I have to

39:01

say one of my favorite scenes so

39:03

far has been Chelsea turning away Saxon's

39:06

advances with a stack of meditation books.

39:08

I thought that's one of the best

39:10

no thank yous that any young woman

39:13

has ever instituted. What was it like

39:15

filming that scene? That was my last

39:17

ever seen. Wow! That was the last

39:20

scene I filmed. The first scene that

39:22

I filmed was... with Patrick. So the

39:24

first one that we did was, how

39:26

do I get a drink around here?

39:29

You go up to the bar and

39:31

you order one. And the last one

39:33

was that the Saxon and Chelsea, so

39:36

it was very emotional actually, and it

39:38

felt very emotional that we started it

39:40

together and we ended it together, but

39:43

that image sums up Chelsea. It's like,

39:45

no, don't look at me, look at

39:47

these books instead, look at star signs

39:49

instead. Like she does push people away

39:52

with the thing that... is seemingly intimate.

39:54

She says she's gnarly, like there's stuff

39:56

going on, but I think that doing

39:59

that last scene, it felt like the

40:01

perfect. send off for Chelsea because it

40:03

felt like so her and it was

40:06

really emotional and Mike and I can

40:08

really miss everyone now are there multiple

40:10

group chats for the there are lots

40:13

of group chats I still speak to

40:15

Leslie every day I speak to Michelle

40:17

loads and loads I speak to everyone

40:19

still we're still very bonded it was

40:22

hard because I went back to England,

40:24

most people were either in New York

40:26

or LA, so there's been a lot

40:29

of like hanging out that has occurred

40:31

without me. No, fomo. And I

40:33

have had quite bad fomo, and

40:35

Patrick's really good at being like,

40:37

I'm here with everyone, we miss

40:39

you. But it felt sad and scary

40:41

as much as I wanted to get

40:44

home. I remember doing that scene. I

40:46

mean, this is the last one, and

40:48

I'm so desperate to get home. and

40:50

see my friends and be in my

40:53

flat and be in London, but I'm

40:55

also terrified of leaving these friends and

40:57

this family and also go back into

40:59

the real world because I've essentially

41:02

been a sim. I've been a sim

41:04

for seven months and I feel like

41:06

someone else has been going pick up

41:08

drink, go to walk to the beach,

41:10

go for... How was reentry? Yeah, how

41:13

do you leave? All of us found

41:15

it hard. Like it was actually great

41:17

because Michelle... came to do a job in

41:19

London and so we went out for dinner

41:21

and she was kind of like I hadn't

41:24

seen anyone in so long and I was

41:26

finding it really hard to get back into

41:28

my life and then I saw Michelle and

41:30

she was like oh same and then it

41:32

I saw Natasha and she was like same

41:34

and then you just realize that everyone's going

41:36

through the same thing and the more we

41:38

spoke about it the better it was and

41:41

then actually Michelle and I had dinner and

41:43

we were going, what is going on? This

41:45

is so, feels so heavy and so weird.

41:47

And then as soon as the first episode

41:49

dropped, we were like, do you feel like

41:51

a different person? She was like, I feel

41:54

like reborn because now it belongs to them.

41:56

Or it belongs to all of us rather

41:58

than us. And it felt like... It's no

42:00

longer our thing and actually a

42:02

weight lifted. It was like, oh,

42:04

it's the world now. So it

42:06

doesn't feel as heavy. But it

42:08

was very hard re-entering. What was

42:11

the most challenging part for you

42:13

of reentering your world? I think

42:15

it was being away from the

42:17

people, because it was this weird

42:19

thing where I was homesick there,

42:21

and then I was homesick when

42:23

I got home. So it was

42:25

like the homesickness. was unavoidable. It

42:27

was weird. It was like, even,

42:29

I got homesick the other week

42:31

for Bangkok. I was like, oh

42:33

my God, I want to go

42:36

home. And then I was like,

42:38

wait, what? Home? That isn't home.

42:40

London's home. And then you start

42:42

to go, well, actually, nowhere's home.

42:44

It's you. Like, home is inside

42:46

us. So you create it wherever

42:48

you go. You are going to

42:50

miss times of your life, and

42:52

you're going to miss places, basically

42:54

constantly. and that is like a

42:56

sad truth of life is that

42:58

you're probably going to feel homesick

43:00

always and you just have to

43:03

find home in yourself. But yeah,

43:05

there's been a lot of Wizard

43:07

of Oz feelings going on. I'm

43:09

sure. Like I want Oz back,

43:11

but I also don't want to

43:13

be in Oz because Oz isn't

43:15

real. I didn't bring anything. I

43:17

didn't even bring any movies. The

43:19

coconut bikini? No! It was. We

43:21

are big fans of that coconut

43:23

bikini. Everyone loved that and it

43:25

was so, Alex was so happy

43:27

that I loved it, costume designer

43:30

because she was like, I know

43:32

you're probably not gonna want to

43:34

wear this in a million years.

43:36

I said, give it to me

43:38

now, I am wearing that coconut

43:40

bra. And then everyone loved it.

43:42

It was major. I don't have

43:44

any Chelsea. I don't have any

43:46

Chelsea things. I made photo albums

43:48

for me, Leslie, and Walton, so

43:50

we all have photo albums because

43:52

I've got that. But yeah, I...

43:54

I kind of didn't, it's such

43:57

a good point, I've not even

43:59

thought about the fact I don't

44:01

have any Chelsea items. We're all

44:03

about lifting. Yeah. About some sticky

44:05

fingers. But it's not like me

44:07

to do that because on another

44:09

job that I do called Daddy

44:11

Issues, I just wrapped on it

44:13

and I took all of Gemma's

44:15

clothes. I was like, I'm taking

44:17

all of it and the costume

44:19

design, I have it all. And

44:21

I loved it. I think what

44:24

I want is like. the necklace,

44:26

the iconic Chelsea necklace, the stay

44:28

gold one. I hated the parrot

44:30

skirt. People liked it, but I

44:32

hated it because it was so

44:34

hot. Even the Thai crew were

44:36

like, this is hot. This is

44:38

weirdly hot. You got the approval.

44:40

Yeah, they were like, this is

44:42

really, really hot. And so wearing

44:44

like that fabric long skirt was...

44:46

It was not attractive. It was

44:48

like, I need air on me.

44:51

But some of it was my

44:53

clothes as well. So the pink

44:55

nighty that I wear. So cute.

44:57

That's mine. So I brought that

44:59

with me. But I'll tell you

45:01

what I love the most. The

45:03

black dress with the sequins on

45:05

it. Oh my God, that was

45:07

so good. And then the shoe

45:09

is the bow. Why did I

45:11

not? Ask for any of this

45:13

stuff. I need to ask for

45:15

it. I'm going to ask Alex

45:18

tonight. I think you need that

45:20

black sequent dress. Yeah, that dress

45:22

is great. Excuse me. Yeah, what

45:24

is my favorite look? That was

45:26

great. Yeah. You mentioned your upcoming

45:28

project and of course taking clothes,

45:30

but can you tell us a

45:32

bit about what you have coming

45:34

up? So I just wrapped on

45:36

dad D.S.U. Series 2, which is...

45:38

just a really funny silly show

45:40

that I love doing and it's

45:42

the most comforting place to be

45:45

is on that set and then

45:47

I wrote a show oh my

45:49

god and that'll be coming out

45:51

this year oh that's okay tell

45:53

us more yeah it's called Film

45:55

Club and it is about a

45:57

girl called Evie who can't leave

45:59

the house so she has a

46:01

film club that she hosts every

46:03

Friday with her best friend who

46:05

she's secretly in love with and

46:07

it's very ROMcom and I am

46:09

very much about bringing the classic

46:12

ROMcoms back like broadcast news. What's

46:14

your number one top favorite ROMcom?

46:16

Broadcast news. Oh good. And it's

46:18

not really a wrong. I like

46:20

ROMcoms that aren't... Quite Romcoms, but

46:22

they are Romcom like broadcast news

46:24

when Harry met Sally obviously very

46:26

very close second sleepless in Seattle

46:28

Basically anything Meg? Like Holly Hunter

46:30

and Meg Ryan are To me

46:32

just the best people that have

46:34

ever lived. Yeah, and I miss

46:36

them and I have a whole

46:39

thing about we need to go

46:41

back to having that movie that

46:43

you I feel like TV achieves

46:45

it a bit more but like

46:47

you know the movie that you

46:49

just rewatch over and over again

46:51

on the plane yes on a

46:53

Sunday you put your cozy jumper

46:55

on you sit on the you

46:57

get some popcorn and you watch

46:59

sleepless in Seattle or you watch

47:01

when there's no limit on how

47:03

many times you can watch those

47:06

movies yeah I want to that

47:08

would be my life's mission to

47:10

just write a movie that is

47:12

like a sleepless in Seattle or

47:14

a just a classic comforting like

47:16

like the scripts are so and

47:18

the dialogue is so good and

47:20

I think that we've missed that

47:22

a bit because Romcom's have turned

47:24

into the kind of like trophy

47:26

everything's just more Nora Efron yeah

47:28

exactly so I want that's that's

47:30

what I want to do I

47:33

feel like we found the woman

47:35

for the job so thank God

47:37

it's in good hands the genre

47:39

yeah I have to ask about

47:41

the rumors that we've been very

47:43

excited about about you playing Patti

47:45

Boyd All you can say is,

47:47

but I know you have a

47:49

lot of Beatles fans over here.

47:51

Was your beetle? Just say, who

47:53

is Amy's top beetle? That is

47:55

the hardest question because I am

47:57

upset. with them, but I do

48:00

have to say that John. You're

48:02

a John girl? I'm just, I'm

48:04

just like, there's something, and it

48:06

isn't that I particularly like him

48:08

as a person. It's more that

48:10

he intrigues me the most. Like,

48:12

did you watch the last weekend

48:14

as well? No, but we were

48:16

talking about that this morning. You

48:18

should watch it. It's so good,

48:20

and May is so cool. And

48:22

that whole, I just find his

48:24

law, I find the most interesting.

48:27

He's very complicated and so he's

48:29

the one who intrigues me the

48:31

most. Well now we have to

48:33

ask about your culture diet. Have

48:35

you been reading, watching, binging, listening,

48:37

anything? I am so excited to

48:39

catch up on stuff because I've

48:41

really been out of the loop.

48:43

Like when I was in Thailand

48:45

I didn't watch anything so I'm

48:47

very much kind of like I'm

48:49

in this story and I have

48:51

to be in this story so

48:54

I didn't watch anything. I heard

48:56

you're a girls fan? Only recent.

48:58

Okay, what girl do you think

49:00

you are? I mean, it's not

49:02

good to be any of them,

49:04

isn't it? If I'm really honest.

49:06

No, but I think I'm Hannah.

49:08

As a Hannah. It's okay. Are

49:10

you a Hannah? Yeah, are you

49:12

a Hannah? Well, I think unfortunately,

49:14

I'm probably a Marnie, but... Oh,

49:16

you're not a Marnie. No. That's

49:18

terrible. And sometimes I feel like

49:21

I can be a bit... Shosh.

49:23

Yeah. But I think I'm mainly,

49:25

I think I'm probably Hannah Sun.

49:27

Shosh rising. Yeah, let's break it

49:29

down. And your moon? I'm getting,

49:31

I'm getting like a little sprinkle

49:33

of Jessa from you. Just a

49:35

sprinkle though, I do think Chelsea

49:37

is Jessa. Chelsea has the free-spirited.

49:39

Yes. But I think you have

49:41

the groundedness of a Shashana. Thank

49:43

you. Amy. Thank you so much

49:45

for joining us. We are edge

49:48

of our seats for this weekend.

49:50

I know you are too. Want

49:52

to share it with the world?

49:54

Thank you. All

50:01

right, that's it for

50:03

the show. See you

50:05

next week. you next week. The

50:07

Run Through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex

50:09

DePalma, and Joanna Solataroff. It's run -through

50:11

is produced by Chelsea

50:13

Lumis and James and It is mixed

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50:17

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