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This episode of The Run Through

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is brought to you by eBay. I'm

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Arden Fanning -Andrews, Vogue's beauty editor -at -large. Everyone's

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talking about tassels right now, and that's

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the moment that I end up typing

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it into eBay. I found the

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perfect vintage triple -chain belt with golden

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tassels, and it just looks

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so elegant, timeless, and it's

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on the way in the

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mail to me, thanks to eBay. This

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is The Run Through. I'm Chloe Mao. And

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I'm Cheminardi. And this

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week, U .S. Vogue's May issue came

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out, and it is an extremely

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special issue for us because there

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are four covers, which is something

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we very rarely do, and they

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are all tied to the Met

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Gala coming up very shortly, famously,

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first Monday in May. Today,

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to talk about our May covers,

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we are joined by Features Editor Marley

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Marius and... Style director

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Leah Faye

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Cooper and Choma,

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Marley and Leah

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are scribes of

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this month's cover article.

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So we are very excited to get

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into it. But first, before I even

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tell you who the covers are, Choma,

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I want to talk about your new

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cover that dropped yesterday. Yeah,

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we had the divine Billie

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Eilish on our cover shot

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by Johnny DeFore. It was.

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It was a really, really

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fun shoot. And we actually

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invited a ton of her

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friends, mostly famous, to interview

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her to submit questions. Oh,

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that's cute. Yes, you had Ariana

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Grande, SZA, Nicki

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Minaj. It was like a whole... What was

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the best question? Oh, that's a

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tough one. Michaela Cole was

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asking whether she flosses or uses

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mouthwash first or something. And it

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was so interesting. my goodness. I

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was like, I never thought to ask a celebrity that, but

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it's a great question. It is a great question.

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Give us your dental hygiene routine. Literally.

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There's good stuff in there. Leah, you

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went to the WNBA draft, which has

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become a big moment. Yes. What set

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the scene? I feel like Choma has

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no idea what we're talking about. Okay,

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it was really fun. So

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the WNBA draft is when,

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you know, college players get

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selected by teams in the

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WNBA. There's been

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a lot of... buzz and

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hype around Paige Beckers,

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who had a really phenomenal

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career at UConn, which

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has long been a women's

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basketball powerhouse. Her time

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there was really up and down because

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she had a lot of injuries,

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but she capped it off by winning

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the national championship with her team

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last Sunday, which was exciting. So fast

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forward to yesterday, and she was

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there. All of her teammates came to

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support. Everyone looked great.

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There was a lot of... a

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lot of sparkle on the orange

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carpet. They do an orange carpet.

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Because the basketball is orange? You

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know, I never thought of that, but probably.

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But it was fun. It was great.

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And it was, you know, the

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young women were really excited. Ooh,

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my top outfit. Paige

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wore two in her second. She

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wore this, like, black Louis Vuitton

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suit. And she just

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wore the blazer with the pants

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and like a bunch of diamond

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necklaces, which I thought looked really

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cool. And then there was another

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player who I'm drawing a blank

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on her name, but she had

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like she had like culottes, like

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really big black shorts and then

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like a blazer that kind of

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had some threads hanging off of

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it. I really liked the suiting.

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There was a lot of. cool

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suit moments. Oh, getting ready for Tailored

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for You. Yes. Excellent. We

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also are in the throes of

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Coachella, which Choma told us all

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about her first trip to Coachella

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last week, which I was delighted

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to be seated for that trip

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down memory lane. I've

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never been to Coachella. I can't do. It would

4:09

never even occur to me. I

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can't do an outdoor festival. Well,

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a lot of people did.

4:18

It had very big celeb energy

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at Coachella last weekend. I'm

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excited to see what Weekend 2 will

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bring, because really, what could be better than

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Timothee Chalamet in a trucker hat and

4:28

an enormous travel backpack? Laia

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Garcia -Furtado said she wants a piece

4:33

on what Timmy puts inside his... camping

4:35

backpack at Coachella. See, that's why I

4:37

can't do it. There's too many things

4:39

that I need access to to be

4:41

just out in the desert. Yeah.

4:43

I do wonder how they do

4:45

it. Where are they actually staying, one

4:48

wonders. Kylie's not staying out there.

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It's crazy. No, she's not. No way.

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I think they stay in somewhere

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fancy, like, off -site. But still,

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while you're there, like, I need to

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travel. I don't know.

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It's a lot. But yeah, other highlights,

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people were... Gagged for Gaga. Bernie

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Sanders came on stage with

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Claro, which was my personal

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favorite cameo. crazy. I know.

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Wow. Claro's so cool.

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I love Bernie. Me too. Now

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I love Claro. I know. Such

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a great flex. Kind of a

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dreamy duo. I want

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what they have. Choma,

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what is happening in London? Last

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night we had

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Sarah Burton do the

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Lightroom conversations. With

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Sarah Mower. Sarah Squared. Yes,

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exactly. It was Sarah Squared.

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It was great. I mean,

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you know, Sarah Burton rarely

5:43

does this kind of

5:45

appearance. Sarah had

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some wonderful stories. I mean,

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she talked about interviewing with

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Lee McQueen in Shoreditch when

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I guess it was like

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a tiny, tiny, tiny office

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and maybe he had two

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employees or one employee. And

6:03

the question that Lee asked was,

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the first question was, do you

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believe in UFOs? That was the

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kind of like... Oh,

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my God. I should start

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including that to podcast guest questions.

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Coleman Domingo, do you believe

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in UFOs? Big

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news. Jean -Paul

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Gaultier, after having a very

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successful rotation of designers fronting

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at his house, has tapped

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Duran Lantink as his permanent

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creative director, which is something that

6:35

people had been whispering about.

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But it does feel like

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this exciting moment. I feel

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like I went to Duran's

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show. Did you see

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the Bouncing Boobies? I saw the

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Bouncing Boobies. It was one

6:50

of my favorite shows because it

6:52

was so creepy. It was

6:54

at an actual working French office

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and they had these performance

6:58

artists. pretending to staple, actually

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stapling and type things, sitting

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at cubicles, but they were

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also opera singers. So they

7:06

were singing in sort of

7:08

low operatic, like Philip Glass

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-esque tones. And then

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all of these

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subverted workwear ensembles came

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down. these steps

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and including enormous silicone breasts

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and on a man

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yes on a man and

7:25

suit pants that were

7:28

assless chaps anyway yeah so

7:30

excited to see what

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Duran will do we are

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going to take a

7:36

short break we'll be back

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in a moment The

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other day, I like went on

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a real eBay spree. There's this huge

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push for like 80s opulence and

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80s sort of glamour. And we're going

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to see that returning. And so

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I was already kind of tapped into

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that just from my gorgeous eBay

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watch list. And I found a really

8:10

beautiful Chloe blazer from the 80s

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and a really great Miu Miu kilt,

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these great Dior boots. And I'm

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combining them all together. Sometimes trend forecasting

8:19

doesn't require something that's going to

8:21

be like... produced in the future, sometimes

8:23

you can like tap into the

8:25

past and tap into the archive as

8:27

well. That's what makes eBay a

8:30

fun place to actually discover things because

8:32

you're not going in with something

8:34

so specific in mind, but you have

8:36

an idea of what you're interested

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in or what you're excited about or,

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you know, just truly trend forecasting.

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And so one thing that I would

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say people should be watching out

8:47

for is like very opulent 80s style.

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All right. The main event are

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four May covers, which we

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really the entire May issue, I

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thought, did a wonderful job

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of having a cohesive theme being

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the Met issue in a

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way that we often try to

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do. But sometimes some random

9:13

theater opening gets in the way

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and throws off a theme.

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And this issue, I felt like,

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had a really strong through

9:22

line addressing the Met exhibition. this

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year um the four cover

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stars are also our met co

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-chairs pharrell williams um asap rocky

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coleman domingo and lewis hamilton

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choma I read your Pharrell story

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this morning. It is so

9:36

fun. I love the opener. Did

9:38

that actually happen? I feel

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like that was like tailor -made

9:42

for an interview lead. Set the

9:44

scene for us. I have

9:46

really good luck with these things.

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I don't know what it

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is because I am not a

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person. I need color. I

9:55

need things to be happening. I'm

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not someone who can write

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around. a story and

10:01

literally i walked into the

10:03

offices and i hear his

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dulcet tones like floating over

10:07

from where i'm sitting in

10:09

like waiting uh just outside

10:11

the studio he literally was

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there singing like he is

10:15

incredible wow what was he

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singing he was singing a

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song that he was composing

10:21

for um john legend Wow.

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Yeah. I went to Louis Vuitton HQ,

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which is directly opposite the Point

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Neuf where Pharrell staged his first historic

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show. I mean, it was basically

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maybe the biggest kind of fashion show

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Paris has ever seen, or at

10:37

least there'd never been a show on

10:39

the Point Neuf. And it was

10:41

quite an epic flex. And there was

10:43

an amazing choir. And I mean,

10:46

everybody. who was anybody was there was

10:48

like jay -z beyonce rihanna i think

10:50

asap rocky everybody was there so

10:52

it's pretty incredible to walk into his

10:54

office that overlooks upon enough and

10:56

kind of imagine what that scene must

10:58

have been like and then his

11:00

kids had their micro scooters propped up

11:03

by the door and he was

11:05

like and as i was leaving like

11:07

he'd ordered some food too so

11:09

it was like you know you get

11:11

to see kind of glimpses of

11:13

someone's everyday life and and obviously like

11:15

he's moved his family to paris

11:18

and i know rocket his son goes

11:20

to uh the american school with

11:22

my nieces oh that's so cute oh

11:24

really it's so crazy that he

11:26

has a team yeah i know he

11:28

says that they're learning french much

11:30

more quickly than he is but he's

11:33

trying and like i think he's

11:35

getting he he's always seen paris as

11:37

like a kind of a second

11:39

home or a kind of like home

11:41

away from home and he has

11:43

a hearing

11:48

him talk about how he balances

11:50

his day you know he basically

11:52

is in the studio making music

11:54

and then grabs on it like

11:57

jumps on his skateboard and and

11:59

zooms across the office and is

12:01

talking to the design team and

12:03

the marketing team and the merchandising

12:05

it's a huge operation and He

12:07

arrived and basically they sort of started

12:10

remodeling the entire office to sort of

12:12

suit this kind of work, his creative

12:14

process and his creative flow, the fact

12:16

that he balances these two very big

12:18

creative pursuits at once. And they're still

12:20

sort of, they're about a year in,

12:22

but they're still renovating the space. But

12:25

it was very cool. I mean, I

12:27

find he's definitely, I just find him

12:29

to be so... way that his brain

12:31

works is very fascinating i think he's

12:33

probably he even said to me like

12:35

this is this is focus adhd because

12:38

i was like how do you do

12:40

it like switching from one discipline to

12:42

the next and he's just like i

12:44

it's like focus adhd like i'm i'm

12:46

really i i'm thinking a mile a

12:48

minute but having to focus is really

12:50

like having to sort of like channel

12:53

my energy is is really how i

12:55

how i get it done yeah um

12:57

but yeah it was cool that morning

12:59

he'd just come from being

13:01

with the the french president being with

13:03

macron um and he was he was

13:06

dressed in uh you know the way

13:08

he he's always in the flared jeans

13:10

and we talked actually a lot about

13:12

the super bowl because he felt that

13:14

what kendrick did was such an agenda

13:16

setting thing and such an amazing moment

13:19

for the culture and he just said

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i want the met to be on

13:23

that level like the met needs to

13:25

be on that level um and no

13:27

it didn't make it i didn't i

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i didn't didn't make it the piece,

13:31

but we had a very interesting conversation

13:34

about Kendrick. And obviously I had to

13:36

point out that he wore those flares.

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He wore the flares first, let's be

13:40

honest. I love the way you described

13:42

his outfit for meeting President Macron, which

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was a blue logo of Vuitton sweatshirt

13:47

with tricolor embroidery and flared jeans and

13:49

his rose gold aviator glasses. But

13:51

then that you said it's his

13:53

classic style, which speaks to an

13:56

intuitive... personal style, easy American swagger

13:58

laced with Gaelic savoir faire, which

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I think really nails it. Did

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I write that? Yes. I

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wrote that. Pop that

14:06

Prada collar, girl. Sometimes

14:10

I surprise myself. I'm not that

14:12

stupid after all. Leah's

14:15

story, I'm like, not worthy. It

14:18

was really good. It was for you.

14:20

Thank you. Set the scene for

14:22

the ride. Oh, my goodness. So, well,

14:24

let me say the original plan

14:26

was to. go to the photo

14:28

shoot towards the end, observe a bit of that,

14:30

and then Rocky and I were going to go

14:32

to some restaurant or cafe that he was going

14:34

to pick in Harlem that he liked to go

14:36

to. That is not what

14:38

happened. I

14:42

got there. It was amazing.

14:44

We shot at Langston Hughes, former

14:46

residence. Wow. What is that

14:49

now? A woman lives there. This

14:51

fabulous doctor lives there. She

14:53

bought the house in the 80s.

14:56

Because it's historic from time to

14:58

time, she allows people to tour

15:01

and to shoot there. But it's

15:03

a private residence. Wow. The

15:05

base of the shoot was right across the

15:07

street at a church. And

15:09

there were like... I

15:11

mean, there were Dalmatians in the shoot, so

15:13

there were, like, dog handlers. And then there

15:15

was, like, the police there because we were

15:17

shooting outside. There was

15:20

lots of expensive jewelry on set, so

15:22

every jewelry house had, like, a

15:24

jewelry guard there. He

15:26

had brought—he collects, like, vintage

15:29

Louis Vuitton and Goyard

15:32

trucks. So

15:34

those were all there. So there

15:36

was a lot going on, but

15:38

it was a really very, like,

15:40

upbeat atmosphere. His

15:42

grandmother came towards the end of

15:44

the shoot to be in some

15:46

photos with him, which was just...

15:48

Those pictures were just so adorable.

15:50

So sweet. Kathy. Tell

15:52

us about Kathy. I mean,

15:55

just a delight. Just so

15:57

sweet, so proud of her

15:59

grandson, loves Harlem, refuses

16:01

to leave her small

16:03

Harlem apartment that she's

16:06

lived in for 20 -something

16:08

years. You

16:10

know, he was telling her, he's like, you do

16:12

not have to live here. And she's like, I like

16:14

it here. You know, like, why would I? Why

16:17

would I spend so much? Why would

16:19

I spend so much more money on

16:21

red? And he was like, because your

16:23

grandson's ASAP Rocky. That's

16:26

why. But no, grandma, you want

16:28

to stay here. It's fine. She was

16:30

delight. Yeah,

16:32

so after the shoot, I guess, you know,

16:34

everyone was like, okay, where are you guys

16:36

going to do the interview? And he was

16:38

like, oh, I had to take my grandma

16:40

home, so Leah should just, you know, come

16:42

with me. That's amazing. So

16:44

we rode to his grandmother's house, and

16:46

we sat in the living room for

16:49

a bit, and she, you know, talked

16:51

about what he was like growing up.

16:53

He's a self -professed grandma's boy. He said

16:55

that he just loved being with his

16:57

grandma. So cute. They watched cartoons. That

16:59

was their thing. That was

17:01

And he was just, like, always with

17:03

her. Kathy loves Rihanna, as

17:05

we all do. I love that. Well,

17:07

they're both Bajan. Yes, they are.

17:09

I noticed that. When you get on

17:11

her couch, she has, like, a

17:13

Bajan flag pillow, like, right front and

17:15

center. And

17:17

she was like, yes, like,

17:19

I think she's a wonderful person.

17:21

She's so down to earth.

17:23

I'm so happy that that's who

17:25

he settled down with. Grandma's

17:28

approval is everything. I love that.

17:30

It's really sweet. And he also

17:32

shared that he stays there quite

17:34

often, like in the room that

17:36

he used to stay in. Wow.

17:40

So, yeah, he likes being up

17:42

there, spending time with her. Took

17:44

a quick stop at the

17:46

bodega afterwards. What was he buying?

17:48

He was buying a peanut

17:50

chew and... Marley's face right now.

17:53

I mean, I am allergic

17:55

to peanuts, but also I am.

17:59

He's buying a peanut chew. And

18:01

I think that he was...

18:03

I think he needed a lighter

18:05

refresher, maybe. But that

18:07

was funny. Everyone... Everywhere

18:10

we went, people were

18:12

like, yo, ASAP. And he

18:14

was very gregarious, very

18:16

happy to speak to everyone,

18:19

taking pictures, really friendly.

18:21

The guy in the bodega was like,

18:23

wow, you look like ASAP Rocky. And

18:25

he was like, I get that

18:27

a lot. And

18:30

then someone came in and asked for a

18:32

photo, and the guy was like, oh, wait,

18:34

it is you. Oh, that's

18:36

hilarious. So from the bodega, we

18:38

went to... Tyler Mitchell's exhibit, which

18:41

was nice. Tyler had shot

18:43

the story, and then he met

18:45

us downtown in his exhibit

18:47

and gave us a walkthrough, which

18:49

was really stunning. And then

18:51

from there, we went to Soho

18:53

House, where he kind of

18:55

set up shop to, like, work

18:57

on some music. And

19:00

he... When he's, you know,

19:02

doing that recording someplace, he

19:04

likes to kind of outfit

19:06

the room like so that

19:08

it looks like his essentially.

19:10

So he basically like. decorated,

19:13

like, this whole space in

19:15

Soho House. He decorated the

19:17

suite. Like, he had, like,

19:19

his trunks there. He had,

19:21

like, this furry cactus coat

19:23

rack that he had designed.

19:26

He has this growing collection of toys

19:28

because he's constantly buying toys for his

19:31

little boys. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair,

19:34

fair. Yes. Constantly

19:37

buying toys for his sons,

19:39

who he also, he talked about

19:41

both... Rihanna and his kids

19:44

a lot um a family man

19:46

like really really really loves

19:48

being a dad and apparently he

19:50

dresses them all himself well

19:52

he said that he said that

19:54

Rihanna buys most of But

19:57

she dresses them like him. Oh,

19:59

my God. So cute. Oh, my

20:01

God. That is so cute. But

20:03

that also, he's like, you know, my

20:05

kids, he's like, my kids are not

20:08

like, you know, wearing Fendi every day.

20:10

Like, they're kids. Like, they're not. Like,

20:12

they're running around outside, you know, in

20:15

undershirts, you know, just like

20:17

other little kids. Yeah,

20:20

it was a good time. And it

20:22

was one of those. He's just very,

20:24

you know, I after we chatted for

20:26

a bit and then I was like,

20:28

OK, like, thank you so much. And

20:30

he was like, what? Like, you didn't

20:32

even eat dinner. Like, I ordered I

20:34

ordered some food. So

20:36

we like ate. And then again, I was

20:38

like, thank you so much. He was like,

20:41

what? My homeboy's about to come over. You

20:43

got to meet him. And there was just

20:45

this like. You know, throughout

20:47

the day, like there are, you

20:49

know, people who, you know, like

20:51

he really surrounds himself with like

20:53

friends and collaborators. And so I

20:55

met a lot of those people. So

20:57

there was one person

20:59

who's on his management

21:01

team. He

21:04

had a photographer. uh,

21:07

with him, um, his

21:09

assistant, and then, um,

21:12

and then a few, like, longtime friends,

21:14

like, were in and out. And then

21:16

he was also just hanging out with,

21:18

like, random Soho House people, right? Yes.

21:20

So, so this is interesting. So after

21:22

we, uh, had our Italian food that

21:24

he had ordered. Amazing.

21:27

What was his order? It

21:29

was so delicious, actually. It's like

21:31

orichetti. he's vegan, isn't he? He's

21:33

totally plant -based. Well, he's plant -based.

21:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was

21:37

an orichetti and then like a

21:39

ravioli. They were

21:41

both really delicious. And

21:44

then, yeah, we were upstairs just

21:46

hanging out. And it was getting

21:48

late, so there weren't a ton

21:50

of people there. But the people

21:52

who were there, you could notice

21:54

everyone was like, you know, looking.

21:57

Like, is that ASAP? Like, it was very

21:59

obvious that people were like, is that

22:01

ASAP Rocky? Like, what is he doing

22:03

here? What's going on? And

22:06

so we migrated to the

22:08

pool table and slowly people

22:10

just started to walk up

22:12

because he... The vibe

22:14

was very inviting, I would say. Like, it

22:16

was very inviting. And I think everyone's

22:19

intuition was correct because people walked up and

22:21

he was like, hey, you want to

22:23

play pool? And so he's

22:25

playing pool with someone who just happened to be

22:27

at Soho House. And then he was like,

22:29

you guys want to play Crazy 8s? We play

22:31

this all the time. Him and his friends,

22:33

a card game. We're playing

22:35

Crazy 8s. And again, people are kind of milling

22:37

over. And he's looking at them. And he's

22:39

like, you guys want me to deal you in?

22:41

Do you know how to play Crazy 8s?

22:43

You don't know how to play? I'll teach you.

22:46

I didn't know. But he taught me. The

22:48

stress of learning a card game during an interview.

22:50

I would die. No. It's

22:52

actually quite easy to learn.

22:54

And I won the third hit.

22:56

Stop. Which was

22:58

exciting. But yeah, it

23:00

was a good time. It's just

23:02

a very open. Telling

23:05

people, like, he's very good at

23:07

being famous. He just is himself

23:09

and just people are, you know,

23:11

interested in talking to him or

23:13

looking at him. He kind of

23:16

doesn't really let it faze him.

23:18

He just, like, goes about his

23:20

day. But yeah, it

23:22

was a good time. I

23:24

also love that in addition to

23:26

being a fan of Rihanna.

23:28

Grandma Kathy has a crush on

23:30

Coleman Domingo. Okay, Coleman Domingo.

23:32

Grandma Kathy brought up Coleman Domingo

23:34

on several occasions. Hysterical. Hysterical.

23:37

And, yes, she is a big fan.

23:39

She said she loves him. I

23:42

hope she gets to meet him. Honestly.

23:44

I do, too. I feel like

23:46

somehow that can be arranged. Yes, I

23:48

too. Yeah, that needs to happen.

23:50

Wink him up. Yes. Well,

23:52

Molly, you got to meet Coleman. I

23:54

certainly did. Tell us about your Coleman

23:56

lunch. Well, it's funny to hear you

23:58

describe like, yeah, Asap Rocky as like

24:01

being good at being famous and kind

24:03

of engaging people because that's kind of

24:05

the way Coleman was too. We had

24:07

lunch in Chelsea because he was staying

24:09

at the Hotel Chelsea because he likes

24:11

it. He likes how kind of like

24:13

homey it feels, cozy, like elegant, but

24:15

like not sort of. fussy or precious

24:17

because that's kind of his vibe too

24:19

like he lives really well but is

24:21

also like very friendly and down to

24:23

earth and like every member of the

24:25

hotel staff greeted him at like all

24:28

times like it's obvious he spent a

24:30

lot of time there and is like

24:32

really kind to people and they love

24:34

having him and he loves being there

24:36

and it was We had, I

24:38

mean, it was like we had lunch for like an

24:40

hour and I go into interviews feeling really nervous

24:42

every single time. But literally at the end of the

24:44

interview, I was like, that was fun. I was

24:46

like, that's such a crazy thing to say to someone.

24:49

But I was like, this was, I

24:51

felt like we were just vibing.

24:53

Talking about his childhood in Philadelphia and

24:56

talking about like the shows and

24:58

like movies. that you picked out his

25:00

mother's wigs. Okay, that part was

25:02

just, I was like, I

25:04

almost, I'm just pleased I like expired. The way

25:06

that he described it was hilarious. Because I

25:08

was like, were your other siblings doing that? And

25:10

he was like, no. He was like, that

25:12

was a special thing between me Eve. Like,

25:15

that was, like, my special

25:17

treat. I was like, that's hysterically

25:19

funny. But,

25:21

yes, he was really, I mean, his... I

25:24

think his mother died in maybe 2006

25:26

or something. But he brings her up a

25:28

lot because I think he was super...

25:30

They were really close. She was so supportive

25:32

of his career, kind of wanted him

25:34

to do pretty much everything that he's doing

25:36

now. And he named his production company

25:38

after her because I think he really kind

25:40

of carries, like, the support that he

25:43

got from her and the belief that he

25:45

had from her with him all the

25:47

time. Like, he's a really, like, thoughtful

25:49

and sort of intentional

25:51

and sort of, like...

25:54

purposeful seeming person i think he's had like

25:56

a lot of time to like learn

25:58

how to be a professional in this business

26:00

like learn how to like talk to

26:03

people and learn how to like you know

26:05

enter a room with like a you

26:07

know compelling energy really he's been you know

26:09

he's been working since the 90s even

26:11

though he's you know, only really become really

26:13

famous over the last couple of years.

26:15

And yeah, I think he kind of wears

26:17

that experience really well. And I mean,

26:19

I feel like all kind of award season

26:21

when he was promoting Sing Sing, which

26:24

is, I don't think enough people saw it.

26:26

It's like a really genuinely, really sweet

26:28

movie with like really amazing supporting terms from

26:30

the cast, most of which were formerly

26:32

incarcerated men. But he was,

26:34

like, extremely charming all season. Like, his variety

26:36

actors on actors' interview with Kieran Culkin was,

26:38

like, something everyone was obsessed with because they were

26:40

just vibing for an hour. Everyone was just

26:42

kind of, like, listening in on a hang,

26:44

them talking about astrology and, like, skincare. And,

26:48

yeah, he's, you know, incredibly

26:51

well -dressed, really dashing. He

26:53

was wearing, when I met

26:55

him, a, like, huge, like, oversized,

26:57

like, white shirt and jewelry and

26:59

a baseball cap, which, again, it

27:01

was, like... put together but like

27:03

like cool casual not trying super

27:06

hard it's obvious that he just

27:08

like knows how to like carry

27:10

himself and he's impeccably i

27:12

mean the haircut The skin. Very

27:14

precise, but also not seeming like

27:16

he The skin routine. What is

27:19

the skin routine? I don't feel

27:21

like it's always glowing. I feel

27:23

like it's just being unbothered

27:25

and moving with purpose. Gardening.

27:29

And being in love consistently

27:31

for many, many years. I

27:33

mean, him and his husband

27:36

are goals. And them meet

27:38

cute. We're obsessed. I

27:40

know. The misconnection. To be

27:42

heard on a future podcast. Yeah.

27:44

Okay. In detail. There you go.

27:46

Yeah. I can't wait to hear

27:48

that. The run

27:50

through will be back in a moment. I

28:01

like eBay for one -of -a -kind items,

28:04

things that feel limited edition, or

28:06

collections that can't be found in stores.

28:08

And with the eBay authenticity guarantee,

28:10

I know that when it arrives, it's

28:12

real. It is a piece that

28:14

is coming from the designer's collection, the

28:16

designer's archive. One of the biggest

28:18

conversation points for some of the parties

28:20

that I'll go to during Fashion

28:22

Week are the pieces that I'm getting

28:24

off of eBay. Everyone's a little

28:26

bit intrigued and excited whenever they hear

28:28

that you were able to find

28:30

something on this digital treasure hunt. Leah,

28:36

tell us about Lewis.

28:39

Yeah, well, first, it was

28:41

on Zoom. I was

28:43

in my downtown Manhattan studio

28:45

apartment, like zero natural

28:48

sunlight. I looked like

28:50

I was like in a...

28:52

In a kidnapper's basement. And then

28:54

he comes on Zoom and

28:56

it's like this gleaming London home.

28:58

There's two Basquiat's in the

29:00

background. Oh, my God. Perfectly

29:02

in frame. That's crazy. Perfectly in frame.

29:05

He looks, you know, just as,

29:07

you know, dapper as he

29:10

does when you see him on

29:12

television. But, yeah, it

29:14

was a really nice conversation. I

29:16

mean, he talked a lot about,

29:18

you know, coming from very humble

29:20

beginnings. His

29:22

father being really adamant about

29:24

the way he presented himself

29:26

and him really having to

29:28

conform to fit into this

29:30

world of racing. And

29:32

I think one of my favorite parts

29:34

was that he said, which, I mean, is

29:36

a move that... of us have tried before,

29:38

I certainly did when I was a teenager,

29:41

is leaving the house in one outfit and

29:43

then changing into a different one. And

29:46

then having to put on

29:48

the original outfit before you

29:50

go back home. So funny.

29:53

So he talked a lot about that.

29:56

Kind of giving Bend it like Beckham. Sorry, please go

29:58

on. And,

30:00

you know, he spoke about

30:02

how his influences were like

30:04

MTV. So the whole like,

30:06

MTV and BET, just music

30:09

videos in general, the TRL

30:11

106 and Park era was

30:13

really influential in the way

30:15

that he dressed. But

30:18

yeah, I mean, he's

30:20

very excited about co

30:22

-chairing this Met Gala

30:24

and obviously really, really,

30:27

really loves fashion, really

30:29

loves, you know, a

30:31

celebration of Black excellence. Very

30:35

delightful to speak to. I like the detail

30:37

of him, like, washing cars in his neighborhood and

30:39

using that money to, like, go to thrift

30:42

stores to, like, clothes. Yeah, me too. To

30:44

get Tommy Hilfiger. Yes. The

30:46

hustle was real. It was. I

30:49

also, like, very thematic. Always cars. Indeed.

30:53

Brand consistency. Indeed.

30:55

Vehicle consistency. And

30:57

he really has, like...

31:00

You know, he really has, you know,

31:02

changed the face of the sport

31:04

in that way because the way that

31:06

he dresses was literally not allowed.

31:09

Like, there was a very, very, very

31:11

strict F1 dress codes when he

31:13

started and he talked to... about kind

31:15

of chipping away. Like, OK,

31:17

then they said that I could, like, finally

31:19

wear my own pants. Like, OK, then they

31:21

said I could wear, like, my own shirt. And

31:24

how he's kind of, like, going back

31:26

and forth with these powers that be,

31:28

being like, listen, like, we got to

31:30

feel good about ourselves. Like, I need

31:32

to be able to turn up the way

31:34

that I want to turn up. Like,

31:37

it's important to me. And

31:39

in the long run, this is going

31:41

to be good for the sport. you know,

31:43

in general. And I definitely think he's

31:45

proven that point. Mm -hmm. Ladies,

31:47

what was the most surprising thing

31:49

you learned about each cover star?

31:53

Hmm. Anything you didn't expect?

31:55

I was kind of watching Coleman's stuff

31:57

in preparation for our interview, some

31:59

of which I'd kind of already seen.

32:01

Like, I knew that he'd been

32:04

in Euphoria, and I remember him from

32:06

Euphoria, but I was kind of

32:08

watching his more recent things. And truly

32:10

hours before I met him, saw

32:12

screeners for his new Netflix series The

32:14

Four Seasons which is a it's

32:16

like Tina Fey has adapted this Alan

32:18

Alda comedy from like 81 or

32:20

something into a miniseries and it's so

32:22

charming and he's like you kind

32:24

of know that he's funny like you

32:26

get a sense he has a

32:29

sense of humor but this is probably

32:31

his first time doing a proper

32:33

comedy in quite some time and he's

32:35

like properly funny like he that

32:37

cast has like will forte and steve

32:39

carell and dina fey and he

32:41

stands up to them so easily interesting

32:43

this is boring but i am

32:45

like he's he's extremely funny that's what

32:47

i learned he's like a great

32:49

comedic actor besides everything else that's how

32:51

it may okay asap um i

32:53

was really taken aback

32:56

by how perceptive he is. This

32:58

is a funny story. I got

33:00

to the shoot and we introduced,

33:02

like I introduced myself to him,

33:04

we chatted. And then about like

33:06

two hours later, he was like,

33:08

you know, we've met before, right?

33:10

And I was like, no, I

33:12

don't think so. And he's like,

33:14

we've met before. And I was

33:17

like, I think that I would

33:19

remember if we met before. And

33:23

he was like, OK, OK, OK.

33:25

Maybe we didn't like formally meet

33:27

like we weren't introduced, but we

33:29

were definitely like, you know, we

33:31

were definitely like partying together like

33:33

you don't remember. And when he

33:35

said this, my mind went back

33:37

to literally, I want to say

33:39

2013. New

33:42

York Fashion Week, there was a

33:44

Donna Karan party that was downtown. This

33:47

was like peak, this was when I

33:49

was peak party girl. I was much younger.

33:52

And I remember there was a performance

33:54

and... afterwards, I was there with my

33:56

sister and somehow, you know, someone who

33:58

worked there was like, hey, you guys

34:00

want to come backstage? And we were like,

34:02

yeah. And we went and ASAP Rocky

34:04

was there, but we did not speak

34:06

to, we weren't, I mean, we were

34:08

like, he was like 15 feet away.

34:10

He was like 15 feet away from

34:12

us. We did not chat at all. And

34:14

so when he said that, I was

34:16

like, there's no way that's what he's

34:18

talking about. And then immediately he goes.

34:20

He was like, yeah. He was like,

34:22

you don't remember? It was like a Fashion

34:24

Week party, like Wall Street. That's crazy.

34:26

Oh, my God. That is wild. I

34:28

was like, are you

34:31

kidding me? We literally did

34:33

not speak. Like, we were both in

34:35

the same room. That is shocking. I

34:37

barely remember my children's birthday. know.

34:40

And he was like, you were

34:42

there, right? And he was like,

34:44

Iggy was there, Rita Ora. I

34:46

was like, oh, my. Wow. I

34:48

have a funny story about. ASAP

34:51

that he will never remember. Well,

34:53

before he was famous, I ran

34:55

into him. Well, I was at an

34:57

opening ceremony sample sale. Always at a

34:59

sample sale. I am always at a

35:01

sample sale. And I made him try

35:03

on something in the men's section because

35:05

he looked like the same size as

35:07

my... then boyfriend oh that's so funny

35:09

he was looking as a fit model

35:11

and was so kind he just did

35:14

it I don't think he was famous

35:16

or maybe he was like just kind

35:18

of like ASAP as Choma's fit model

35:20

is amazing I was like do you

35:22

mind trying this on I doubt he

35:24

will never remember this but of course

35:26

I remember this because he's freaking famous

35:28

that's so funny Wow.

35:31

Okay, Louis also, this didn't make it

35:33

into the story, but he told me

35:35

about his first time meeting Anna at

35:37

the Met Gala and how he got

35:39

to the top of the stairs and

35:41

was so nervous and was like, I

35:43

need to kiss her hand. That's the

35:45

proper thing to do. He's

35:49

like, mind you, I literally have never

35:51

kissed anyone's hand in my life and

35:53

I don't know what came over me.

35:55

get down on one day? Did he

35:57

do it? And so he pulls her

35:59

hand and she... She's probably like pulling

36:01

it back. But

36:03

he succeeded. And

36:08

then he was mortified and continued

36:10

to be mortified and continued to

36:12

literally hide from her whenever he

36:14

would see her moving forward until

36:16

years later he was at Wimbledon

36:18

and he realized they were sitting

36:20

next to each other and he

36:22

was like, oh gosh, oh gosh,

36:25

oh gosh. But he said that

36:27

they sat next to each other

36:29

at Wimbledon and had a fantastic

36:31

time and not their great friends.

36:33

Yeah, they're great friends. They're really

36:35

great friends. But he said for

36:37

years he avoided her. because he

36:39

was he was very embarrassed about

36:41

insisting on kissing her hand oh

36:43

my god oh my god i'm

36:45

trying to think of a surprise

36:47

that that tops mine for sure

36:50

i one thing that sort of

36:52

surprised me or i guess i've

36:54

always kind of like You

36:56

know, Pharrell, among other things, is also

36:58

a dad. Right. And I'm always like

37:00

curious to. But he's very private. You

37:02

know, he's very private. But I think

37:04

he's a very devoted father, much like

37:07

ASAP. So I was trying to

37:09

get him to talk about parenthood. And then

37:11

I think I sort of struck a nerve because

37:13

he was just basically like, because I was

37:15

like, oh, you know, tell me about it. And

37:17

he's like, well, he was like,

37:19

you know, I need to give them constructive struggle.

37:21

And I was like, what do you mean constructive

37:23

struggle? And I was like, I don't want

37:25

them to be spoiled. Wow,

37:27

I've never heard that term before.

37:29

He said something. And I was

37:31

like, oh my gosh. interesting

37:34

like constructive struggle yeah all kids

37:36

need constructive struggle because they you can't

37:38

spoil them like whether you're pharrell

37:40

or whether you're just like joe blogs

37:42

like because he was like the

37:44

way i grew up that was like

37:47

yeah like he didn't have anything

37:49

so he obviously like he doesn't want

37:51

he's very he seemed like i

37:53

was like okay dad yeah next psychologist

37:55

perfect yeah yeah so no soft

37:57

parenting here like he's not making he's

37:59

like he's making sure his kids

38:02

like know what hard work means. That's

38:04

amazing. That's what that is. All

38:06

right. Thank you everyone

38:08

for coming on this

38:10

show today and Mazel

38:12

Tov on four fantastic

38:14

cover stories. And that's

38:16

it for the show today. See

38:18

you all soon. The

38:30

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38:32

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38:34

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global audio. The

38:56

other day, I, like, went on

38:58

a real eBay spree. There's this huge

39:00

push for, like, 80s opulence and

39:02

80s sort of glamour, and we're going

39:04

to see that returning. And so

39:06

I was already kind of tapped into

39:08

that just from my gorgeous eBay

39:11

watch list. And I found a really

39:13

beautiful Chloe blazer from the 80s.

39:15

and a really great Miu Miu kilt,

39:17

these great Dior boots, and I'm

39:19

combining them all together. Sometimes trend forecasting

39:21

doesn't require something that's going to

39:24

be like... in the future, sometimes you

39:26

can like tap into the past

39:28

and tap into the archive as well.

39:30

That's what makes eBay a fun

39:32

place to actually discover things because you're

39:34

not going in with something so

39:36

specific in mind, but you have an

39:39

idea of what you're interested in

39:41

or what you're excited about or, you

39:43

know, just truly trend forecasting. And

39:45

so one thing that I would say

39:47

people should be watching out for

39:49

is like very opulent 80s style.