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now, most importantly, our a big wink and a

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kiss good to the the ladies who listen, who are are

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some of the most gorgeous and sexy ladies

1:11

in the United Kingdom of England. I'm here with

1:13

Jake Kingdom I think the introduction of Jake platform,

1:15

that is by the way, of a is really getting

1:17

as close to kind of really stuff. close to kind overlap

1:19

stuff. That's was by the way, What a play he

1:22

was by the way. Soul that phrase used the way

1:24

about places places. Okay. So Soul Campbell Campbell leads

1:26

a weird existence where... He hasn't really been

1:28

accepted by like football football Yes, I mean,

1:30

I think he still does have visions

1:32

of becoming a coach But he does

1:34

just sort of travel the world doing

1:36

anything people are world do it I

1:38

mean the ends up in sort of

1:40

quite fun it. He ends up in sort of in India

1:42

by the way What's a place I'm in

1:45

India by the way place? is what a place. We my mate

1:47

mean my make talk about it it because it's some

1:49

from their football football ramble way. shout

1:51

out life, and my life But

1:53

it was really classic

1:55

thing in classic thing in cricket.

1:57

So like if Yeah, if an ex

1:59

cricketer or is in the

2:01

crowd at the cricket, they will cut

2:03

to them and they will say what

2:05

a player he was by the way.

2:07

Or loves his cricket by the way.

2:09

I wonder if you can try at

2:11

some point in this episode to drop

2:13

that in. So I can think of

2:15

someone who we're not going to give

2:17

too much weight. I don't know why.

2:19

Everything's in the title of the video.

2:21

But we're going to mention later on

2:23

in this podcast. Someone who sings and

2:25

also presents and also presents. Welcome to

2:27

the show ladies and gentlemen. I feel

2:29

like we've been on a bit of

2:31

a run the last few weeks for

2:33

Lenti. Great episodes. Yeah. Prior to that

2:35

we had emotions in life, Tim Cole.

2:37

We don't know yet whether he ended

2:39

up threatening us. No, yeah. AJ and

2:41

Big Justice. We thought they were great

2:44

episodes. We hope you've been to enjoy

2:46

yourselves recently. We really enjoy them and

2:48

it's always nice to be brought down

2:50

by the people that comment on YouTube

2:52

after the fact. Something about YouTube really

2:54

invites assholes. I think it's because you

2:56

can't see much of their profile. They

2:58

can just have a weird name, no

3:00

picture, and say whatever the hell they

3:02

want. And it's like... And then they

3:04

collect a US president after that. It's

3:06

all good. Brother. But yeah, so yeah,

3:08

but no, we're in a nice little

3:10

run. We're doing extra episodes every week

3:12

on page at the moment. And I'm

3:14

loving those. These are some of my

3:16

favorite episodes. I really like it. We've

3:18

been doing tour diaries. We've been doing

3:20

tour diaries. We've been doing tour diaries.

3:22

We've been doing tour diaries. We've been

3:24

doing other stuff. We've been doing other

3:26

stuff. We've been doing other stuff. We've

3:28

been doing other stuff. We've been doing

3:30

other stuff. Yeah, we've been doing other

3:32

stuff. Yeah, we've been doing other stuff.

3:34

Yeah, we've been doing other stuff. Yeah,

3:36

we've been doing other stuff. Yeah, we've

3:38

been doing other stuff. I should mention

3:40

something big that's happening in the Screen

3:42

Rock universe. Obviously, live show, we've just

3:44

had a Christmas special, what a night

3:46

that was, by the way. You didn't

3:48

see those surprises coming, did you? I

3:50

did not see those surprises coming. Hasn't

3:52

happened yet while we were recording this.

3:54

But in the Screen Note universe, there

3:56

has been a big development. And it's

3:58

kind of, it's what you would call

4:00

a ScreenWatt NCP. Is that correct? Non-playable

4:02

character, NPC, NPC, I think NCP, those

4:04

parks, car parks and stuff. Real insight

4:06

into your life there? My brain man.

4:08

brain. So, mango the cat. Yes, the

4:10

broad-shouldered 51% shareholder. Well, the OGs of

4:12

screen, right, and the good people that

4:14

go back and listen to every episode,

4:16

this happens quite a lot of people,

4:18

will find the podcast, go back and

4:20

listen to every episode, and go back

4:22

and listen to every episode, and then

4:24

sort of come back forward again and

4:26

find us here in a lovely studio

4:28

with an actual camera. I've let the

4:30

phone up. I'm doing 32 quid above

4:32

on the other phone. I thought, well

4:34

I'm not getting for it. Anyway, my

4:36

cat, my Bengal cat, right? She's Bengal.

4:38

She used to interrupt recordings quite a

4:40

lot when recorded in my house. She

4:42

did. She would drive you insane. Yeah,

4:44

and I don't mind admitting, I'm afraid

4:46

of her. I am afraid of her.

4:48

She's quite a vicious cat. I don't

4:50

like cats in general. I think something

4:52

about them is uncanny. I'm not sure

4:54

what it is. And I'm not ashamed

4:56

to admit it. I don't like horror

4:58

films and I'm scared of cats. Sue

5:00

me. She would do you. She'd do

5:02

worse than that. Nasty. Nasty bit of

5:04

work. Yeah. I've mentioned in

5:06

this podcast before that she's horny, so she's

5:09

teenage now, she'll actually, she'll be a year

5:11

old in January. I'm not in, I'm sure

5:13

that's Bologs actually, I'm not in, I'm sure

5:15

the horrible little fucking Polish witch who sold

5:18

her to us lied. Don't love it when

5:20

you include the people's nationalities in those stages.

5:26

Well it's a week after you've announced you're mounting a campaign

5:28

to bring back the British High Street. Don't fucking out on

5:30

getting so much. You're getting pelters on like that. I just...

5:32

I mean it is... She is polling. I know it is

5:34

just a descriptive term. I'm just saying it doesn't make me

5:36

feel happy inside. I don't know, the middle age witch. Is

5:39

that better? That's fine, yeah. I'd rather you be agist than

5:41

racist. Does it? Again, sue me. Sue me. Sue me. Sue

5:43

me. Actually, Sue me. Actually, Sue me. Put that above the

5:45

walk. Yeah, we're ageist, we're not racist. The Drake meme. Ageist.

5:47

Right, so the, yeah. her from her from a

5:49

lady of Polish suspect she was And

5:51

around with the dates of birth?

5:54

was maybe was like a around we

5:56

got the She was of right,

5:58

which is part of the reason

6:00

she's so mental. week old she's

6:02

horny. her. She days, right? Which you were

6:04

going to say, oh, she

6:07

was the months old when we

6:09

got her wrong. Well, no, we

6:11

thought was like 10 weeks.

6:13

That's how old they're supposed days?

6:15

be. I thought you were going to say, oh, she

6:17

her out there as quick as

6:19

she could. Yeah, We because she

6:22

was running a kitten farm. weeks.

6:24

It was mental, man. She

6:26

was creepy. She was of my kids

6:28

wanted her, like, anyway. You bought,

6:30

you bought bought you're there once you've done the

6:32

drive, there, I got the you've done the the cat,

6:34

as I've mentioned the matter. I've got the cat,

6:37

the cat's been out, and the cat, as

6:39

night like there's this on

6:41

who hangs around before, at the back door

6:43

every in one place if

6:45

you can this right who hangs around the,

6:47

our garden, and she's... Just try and keep the mic

6:49

in one of going on on

6:51

and off Yeah, her don't know, Do

6:53

you know mean? right, She's a teenager. That's

6:55

what they do. what they do. know. She wants to

6:57

go to Iron Apo. to I've got a

7:00

son. I've got a boy. Yes. A human,

7:02

I should say. Not just a cat, right? a

7:04

son, I know when he's boy. be crusty socks.

7:07

I I'm ready. I know. I did

7:09

it. Of course he'll do it. I

7:11

know He'll be up there, 13, there'll

7:13

be crusty shaker.

7:16

I'm ready. I know, I did

7:18

it. there with the, you know, the shovel. do

7:20

it. He'll be the there, Yeah, hose

7:22

him down. ready for it. And

7:24

the cats shaker. Yeah. But then a

7:26

couple of weeks ago ago, it just,

7:28

it it just, it was like, we woke up and

7:30

it was like something had happened. Like

7:33

she's she's actually like screaming now

7:35

like, Like you

7:37

know know, you know, it what's um your

7:39

mother sucks in hell what's that It was

7:41

like that. it was like that? Yeah like like like

7:43

me like proper Matt and it's like I was like I

7:45

like, saying I was like Lana I I

7:48

can't work. in this bedroom on my laptop very

7:50

room of my laptop, edit

7:52

in my comedy Lana I was

7:54

like, Lana, I can't work like

7:56

this. this I can't work because she's like That's

7:58

all right. like me I was like

8:00

you got to fucking sort this out. Right. She's

8:03

got to sort it out. Yeah and here's why.

8:05

Okay. Here's why. A. The cat was all over

8:07

idea. You might remember I was in hospital with

8:09

stress induced heart problems which I again need to

8:11

make a note on my phone to chase that

8:13

up and need to sort of that. I was

8:16

literally laying in the hospital with stress-induced heart problems,

8:18

I promise this could be under 12 minutes, and

8:20

she texted me from the pup, being like, um,

8:22

my, can we get a cat? My mate's mom

8:24

knows someone with Bengal kittens, just, just like 20

8:26

minutes from my house, it was in fucking crawly.

8:29

I drove for two hours around the M25, around

8:31

a city full of millions of cats to get

8:33

to fucking crawly to go to this horrible little

8:35

witch, don't know where she's from, right? I said,

8:37

I'll pay, I don't care about money, but you're

8:39

in charge. I was like, get her done, get

8:42

her spayed, I don't know what it is, sort

8:44

her out, get her bits done. And Lana was

8:46

like, no baby, she's- To take her reproductive organs

8:48

away, so she can't. Don't fucking word it like

8:50

that. You make a sound like FGM, no, but

8:53

just, just, just, just stop her screaming on a

8:55

Monday, but I don't want that. I don't want

8:57

that. So, so, Lana. You got your campaign about

8:59

the British High Street about the British High Street

9:01

about the British High Street to attention about the

9:03

British High Street to attention about the British High

9:06

Street to attention about the British High Street to

9:08

attention about the British High Street to attention about

9:10

the British High Street to attend to attend to

9:12

attention. My Mrs is a midwife and she's very,

9:14

every mother deserves to have babies, Jakey. Human mothers?

9:16

Yeah, right, well exactly, I'm fine, whatever. So that

9:19

morning, I'm like, she's screaming like a meal, I'm

9:21

like, I need to work. Mrs calls the vet.

9:23

I don't know if she took her to the

9:25

vet, whether the vet somehow worked this out over

9:27

the phone. She was like, her loins are too

9:29

swollen, she's so horny, we can't display her. We

9:32

can't display her. So Lana was like, well, we

9:34

got to get her up the duff, we got

9:36

to get her up the duff then. Okay.

9:38

Atlanta goes on the pets at home

9:41

website. Yes. There's like a forum bit.

9:43

Okay. Where and I cannot, I will

9:45

insert screenshots, you can upload this, you

9:47

never fucking do. Right. Where. What it

9:49

is on the forum in pets at

9:51

home, you can, it's like a dating

9:53

website. You shop through Tomcats, different Tomcats

9:55

to come and. your cat, right? And

9:57

you would think it'd be a very

9:59

kind of like sterile medical, you know,

10:01

what breed are they, blah blah blah

10:03

blah. People call the cats things like

10:06

Mr Love a Love. And the language,

10:08

it, broad-shouldered stud, ready and waiting. But

10:10

you're breeding a resource. I feel like

10:12

a cuckhold hiring someone to come around

10:14

and see my mrs for me. Broad-shouldered

10:16

stud, genuinely... Who ever had the over-under-on

10:18

minutes for cuck-old references? This week, it's

10:20

minute 10. Drink, everyone drink at home.

10:22

Like, handsome stud in management position, ready

10:24

to come and in seminate, you know,

10:26

desperate wife or whatever it is. And

10:28

genuinely, she finds this person, again, my

10:31

mrsie doesn't understand British geography, she's like,

10:33

it's just around the corner, a baby,

10:35

slough. Not round the corner, from where

10:37

you are. And now, I've mentioned on

10:39

one of these before, that we used

10:41

to try and get my dog, that

10:43

we used to try and get my

10:45

dog, that we used to try and

10:47

get my dog, and get my dog,

10:49

You did, yeah. Yeah. Now... You used

10:51

to drive around Kent. Kent and Hartcher

10:53

in Bevershire. My parents, with our sausage

10:55

dog, trying to get someone... and it's

10:58

funny actually, we did my London tour

11:00

date the other day, which you opened

11:02

for me for a shout to anyone

11:04

who came to that. Great. My mum

11:06

was there, she got chatting to a

11:08

rotter. and the rotors explained to my

11:10

mom that I told that story on

11:12

the phone was... Oh yeah. My mom

11:14

and dad afterwards reminded me that the

11:16

reason we did that so many times,

11:18

the reason we had to drive around

11:20

so often trying to get someone to

11:23

impregnate the dog is because the dog

11:25

was genuinely so ugly that none of

11:27

the male dogs wanted to say. That's

11:29

not true. No, she was disgusting. She

11:31

was bald. Anyway. So,

11:34

my miss is... You're a fucking dead dog taking strays... Take

11:36

it... well, literally taking strays, but taking stray bullets 11 years

11:38

later for being bald. Amazing. You can give another two to

11:41

all these hair transplant instead of you. Right, so you go

11:43

on there, you hire Mr Love a lover in Slough, 150

11:45

quid or whatever it is. Did that language make any difference?

11:47

You know you said, oh, why are they using that language?

11:49

Surely... have a competitive advantage against

11:52

the cats that are being

11:54

described purely in medical terms Well

11:56

in a sense that we

11:58

are more likely to go to

12:00

them. terms. did it not sense

12:02

your were little bit? I don't

12:05

know to broad to stud. it not I

12:07

think there was a bit

12:09

of that There was also the

12:11

fact that he's Bengal as

12:13

well. He's a Bengal so means

12:16

stud. Well I think there was a bit of that there

12:18

was also the fact that he's I don't know. as well

12:20

he's a Bengal it would be a case of a drive

12:22

over there, put them in the same room as each

12:24

other for a few hours and then drive home. well

12:26

he like with your dog's experience. Alana left the cat

12:28

there for a week. for a week. Oh, it's like a

12:30

hotel she spent a week getting cocky

12:32

down. getting cocky down by

12:34

some Bengali. by some know if

12:36

that's all right. if It's a all right. It's

12:38

a Bengal cat. She got dig down by a

12:41

by Ben Goldcat. a buck She was

12:43

taking backshot from a

12:45

Bengal. You know, there's a phrase,

12:47

there's know, there's a phrase, there's

12:49

a saying in comic books, which

12:51

is that every is someone's first

12:53

edition, first .e. always it a good good edition

12:55

you never know who's picked up

12:57

a comic book for the first

12:59

time. first time. logged on today, today, their

13:01

gone, you know have gone, I know

13:04

that guy, good? Oh I know love skinner,

13:06

find out what people what say. I

13:08

like Tom Skinner, I like the

13:10

Tom Skinner, I had to listen to

13:12

you rock 15 minutes going, had getting, to

13:14

is it, 15 minutes going, my Dickie Dawkins.

13:16

is Down. Cocky Down. Dawkins, Cockie Down, backsh. Anyway,

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You know it makes sense. up. You know it shows Live

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shows. There would have been an update about that

13:46

at the start of the show that on

13:48

tour in the new year I'm on the country

13:50

with him in the going around the some great shows

13:52

him in importantly. Let's get into this episode because

13:54

we've got a shows. Most my god I mean

13:56

a meaty one's a good way into this episode because

13:58

we've got a meaty one. I mean a meaty one. it's a topic.

14:00

It's king of of it's It's one of the most

14:03

I think one of the most

14:05

polarizing and interesting figures in British history

14:07

of the last five to ten years.

14:09

Hundred percent. And it's someone that our patrons voted

14:11

for. So it's one thing with patron, the

14:13

alumni he topped here, get to to nominate people

14:15

for us to talk about to talk on

14:18

the everyone on guy was voted as

14:20

someone we should talk about. as and

14:22

gentlemen, it's getting near Christmas about, the

14:24

season of getting near talk about in the season

14:26

of Good Will, in the season of Good Will, I

14:43

Right. It's the first time that I've done this intro and

14:45

It's the first time that

14:48

I've done this intro and I've

14:50

been like say. is what he

14:52

would say Oh, get on this. Get on this.

14:54

Get on this. We've been waiting for this day in

14:56

been waiting for this day in

14:58

a way haven't we well

15:01

been circling it for months. it for

15:03

I mean Well, I on this get

15:05

on this. Tom Skinner. Tom

15:07

Skinner. Apprenticed contestant. Yeah. Businessman. Business owner. Yes, both,

15:09

both, both things. The owner. of Yes

15:12

creator of Bosch. Now that that is of

15:14

by Big John. We of first ever

15:16

is on. Big John by Big He

15:18

says, I We did our

15:21

first Bosch. Tom John says himself.

15:23

He says I didn't

15:25

create Bosch been in Courtney's dialect for

15:27

been it's been in Tom

15:30

for decades, but one is

15:32

the one he's made Bosch, a

15:34

thing I have also seen

15:36

that it's become like John

15:38

big John's become relatively combative

15:41

about it now about it now

15:43

I've seen him say

15:45

something to the effect of

15:47

he to thing once where

15:50

he's like of he said a

15:52

people can have chairs, but

15:54

one chairs better than both

15:56

people can have chairs but one of

15:59

come better than like in a

16:01

little bit. Oh, okay yeah

16:03

he's kind of come out is getting

16:05

a bit bit oh okay John is

16:08

getting there John is getting a bit hmm hmm

16:10

no we love big love Big John.

16:12

Big John has become bigger than it was ever

16:14

possible Big John to imagine that he might have

16:17

been. That's maybe the issue. Yeah, yeah, he's getting

16:19

very combative in his comment sections. He's fighting back.

16:21

And to be fair, when people have a go

16:23

at his weight, it's like, yeah, fair enough. Like,

16:25

fuck off, what a bit, what, that is, again,

16:28

to go back to kind of anonymous trolling. Like,

16:30

Big John, the clues in the name. Yeah, exactly,

16:32

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, people struggle with their

16:34

weight. He's trying his best. Whatever, who gives a

16:37

fuck? My challenge is trying his best. He fucking

16:39

lives in blue or kid. Friend of the show,

16:41

friend of the show, Red Richardson. I'm gonna play

16:43

some voice notes from Red. Friend of the show,

16:46

so we will get to Tom's Skinner in a

16:48

minute. If you're new to the show, this is

16:50

our works by the way, we'll talk about the

16:52

subject of the episode about 40 minutes in. Friend

16:55

of the show Red Richardson. So Big John does

16:57

a show called, what's it called? The

16:59

Big John Chinese sit down. Yes.

17:01

Now, well, a friend of mine

17:04

and friend of the show, Red

17:06

Richardson, the guy goes, stay toxic

17:08

everyone. Very, very funny comedian. Jake

17:10

can put this up. He knows

17:12

I love Big John. He sent

17:15

me a picture one day of

17:17

a cake. A Victoria sponge that

17:19

is iced with the words, stay

17:21

toxic, Bosch. I was like, where

17:23

are you? He was like, I'm

17:25

recording the Big John Chinese sit

17:28

down. He actually, the Chinese

17:30

thing isn't a joke, he loves Chinese.

17:32

The next thing I said... Did anyone

17:34

think it was a joke? He loves

17:37

Chinese. The funniest thing was, I was

17:39

like, I immediately tuned into like, the

17:41

Fisher's sons, Johnny and the rest of

17:43

them, I was like, wow, Red's in

17:45

the show, I wonder if they put

17:48

any stories. They'd put up stories of

17:50

them recording the Big John Chinese sit

17:52

down, where Big John eats Chinese. Then

17:54

suddenly they were picking up pictures.

17:56

a Turkish restaurant. restaurant.

17:59

I I read it.

18:01

I was like I was

18:03

like, did you record on a different

18:05

like, It was they ate twice. It was

18:07

fucking unbelievable. I

18:09

think we have told that story before,

18:11

but I don't mind but I it twice.

18:13

It's a good one. They filmed an

18:15

episode, an episode all eating Chinese and And the funniest

18:18

thing Red the me, thing Red told me, Red, Red, Red,

18:20

the Chinese food came for them all

18:22

to eat, apparently Big John sort of of went

18:24

up to Red. He was like, I

18:26

should This isn't the best Chinese. The

18:28

problem is most Chinese restaurants most on a

18:30

Monday. It's an absolute nightmare. it's an absolute nightmare.

18:32

One one day week. week. When that's your

18:34

biggest nightmare. It's an absolute nightmare, we

18:36

can an Chinese, but it's not our usual,

18:38

so do your best but it's That's so

18:40

good. so do your think when to first started watching

18:42

think videos two years ago, it was kind

18:44

of John Emma would see me sat in

18:47

bed with my phone. like, when Emma would a

18:49

man in bed with my phone, like looking at a Kong

18:51

style, one pork like, style. chicken was kind

18:53

of funny one two years ago. I'm still

18:55

doing that now. Mate, do you know

18:57

style. funny kind of do you say two

18:59

years ago? It probably must be about

19:01

two years ago. be about two

19:03

years ago? get He was it five

19:05

years ago? I guess it was

19:07

give us lockdown, wasn't it? God. Yeah,

19:10

because I guess it that it was how

19:12

they kind of went big. It

19:14

was watching him order you mean. That

19:16

was how they food of the top

19:18

of the dome. No, no watching him

19:20

order copious. 200 pounds worth of Chinese food.

19:23

Off the top of the No, no,

19:25

no, Kong style sweet and

19:27

sour just with the JZ

19:29

sauce on the side to

19:31

record. fried rice of rice I'm

19:33

like in that. That's enough. Where was I going

19:35

to go with that? Yeah, I used to watch

19:37

I was going to go with that.

19:39

Yeah, the I used to watch him wow, the

19:41

Chinese. was like, wow, he can say it.

19:43

it. Now, like, he doesn't He doesn't

19:46

even put up that. He puts

19:48

up pictures, puts up of

19:50

him just watttapping the blue of

19:52

him yeah. I'm liking that. the

19:55

raw kid. Yeah, yeah, enough, I'm giving

19:57

it a like. that. Yeah. I'm like in

19:59

that. comedians and my best friends

20:02

will put up content. I won't share

20:04

it. Yeah, clips that they've worked on

20:06

tirelessly for. Yeah, yeah, big John, screenshot

20:08

of a what's up order to, to

20:10

his mate at the Blue Orchid. Nice,

20:12

right, John. Hope's family as well, baby,

20:15

Bush. Now, I think you hit on

20:17

something there that will bring us back

20:19

around to Tom Skinner. He was a

20:21

necessary part of people's lockdowns, wasn't he?

20:23

Big John, right? Yes, yeah. And we

20:25

found in love with him, in love

20:28

with him, during, during, during, during, during,

20:30

during, during, during, Struggling, bored, what can

20:32

you enjoy? And you wanted to see

20:34

someone positive. Yes. You wanted to see

20:36

when there was a lot of misery

20:39

around, when you're watching Boris doing the

20:41

fucking briefings, you wanted someone positive. Tom

20:43

Skinner is positivity. That is the one

20:45

thing. Now, we're going to get into

20:47

this a bit more later on. As

20:49

I say, the patrons nominated Tom Skinner.

20:52

The patrons wanting us to talk about

20:54

Tom Skinner. And it's

20:56

quite clear the undertone of what they want

20:58

us to do or say about Tom Skinner.

21:00

Yeah, in the same way that, I don't

21:03

know, if you're in prison, there might be

21:05

an undertone of the skinniest guy in prison

21:07

coming up to you from a safely padded

21:09

room and going, why don't you go and

21:12

punch the big guy? What patron? Sorry, I'm

21:14

not seeing you around here before. What wing

21:16

are you on? Oh, I'm on the sex

21:18

offender's wing. I'm safe in there. Okay, and

21:21

you want me to go after the big

21:23

guy that's headed the biggest gang member. Okay,

21:25

fair enough. Yeah, I actually think that's a

21:27

perfect analogy. Five million a month if you

21:30

punch the gang member? That is a perfect

21:32

analogy for this. Where's my hat, by the

21:34

way? We are the

21:36

newly arrived person in prison the

21:39

patrons are on the sex offenders

21:41

wing and Tom Skinner is the

21:43

head of the prison's biggest gang

21:46

This is the thing that the

21:48

patrons were like yeah get him

21:50

get him now we're gonna don't

21:52

worry like I will say like

21:55

they are things we going to

21:57

talk about with this guy. There

21:59

was also, and we're going to

22:01

get into this, there was also...

22:04

We're not going to be told

22:06

what to do by some sex

22:08

offenders. Well, we're not going to

22:10

get punched. No, but what we

22:13

would address is political leanings and

22:15

where that leaves our overall opinion,

22:17

but initially I just want to

22:20

address, this guy is the most

22:22

positive person on the planet, and

22:24

during lockdown, when we were struggling,

22:26

he was uploading content like this,

22:29

that A, A, made me feel

22:31

better, and B, made me an

22:33

alcoholic. Let's watch this. This is

22:35

the first clip. It's from lockdown

22:38

and it's Tom Skinner encouraging you

22:40

to do something. Relax. Don't do

22:42

it. Drink the steler when you

22:44

need to. Relax. Don't do it.

22:47

When you want to come. Relax.

22:49

Drink the steler. You know it

22:51

makes you feel better. Relax. Drink

22:54

the steler. Now

23:01

can I just say there, that is slightly before

23:03

Bosch went big and you can see, you can

23:05

see at the end of that, he needed to

23:07

end that and he didn't know what to do.

23:09

You can see, you can, do you know what

23:11

a good businessman does? Find a solution where there's

23:14

demand. Yes. That is what a good business mind

23:16

will do. He didn't win the apprentice, but I

23:18

reckon he would have watched that back. And at

23:20

the end, when he's going, he's found the rhyme,

23:22

relaxed, drink stellar, you know, it'll make you feel

23:24

better. And then at the end, it's Frankie goes

23:26

to Hollywood, it's one of my favourite songs. He

23:28

doesn't know what to do, and he just sort

23:30

of goes, dude. How good would a boss have

23:32

been there? What did Tom do? He created the

23:34

boss. If he records that now, that's a nice

23:36

boss at the end of that. When Tom Skinner

23:38

becomes the first the Prime Minister of this country

23:40

and then some kind of... He could. He could.

23:42

And then he becomes some kind of benevolent dictator,

23:44

like in 1984, where they go back, or like

23:46

Stalinist Russia, where they like... people out

23:48

of pictures or they

23:50

like make them look thinner

23:53

or stuff like that

23:55

He's gonna go back and

23:57

all of his videos.

23:59

There'll be a Bosch in

24:01

there go back and all of he's

24:03

the dictator of this

24:05

country They'll be a let that

24:07

in video will end with

24:09

a when I mean, the

24:11

thinking of the of this here.

24:13

that stellar video will end with a Bosch.

24:15

I mean, I'm thinking of the okay, let's

24:17

get on to Tom's appearance.

24:19

Ties to the apprentice. Ties of fascinating guy. thing

24:21

that doesn't one thing that doesn't

24:24

get spoken about enough with

24:26

this guy, guy, perfectly blonde

24:28

hair, beautiful blue eyes. eyes. Yeah. He's

24:30

what it would what it would look like

24:32

if you a a Barbie doll full of testosterone. Like,

24:34

like, it's, it's like, he's kind of gorgeous.

24:36

I agree. He's of gorgeous. beautiful. And there's kind of in, one of

24:38

the there's something in of the of the clips will

24:40

come to you One of the most famous

24:43

clips that will come to you kind of towards

24:45

the end the end. He's kind

24:47

of perfectly, he has a very has

24:49

smile, I think. Yeah, he's very I think.

24:51

Yeah, he's very boyish. Yes. I imagine, I don't

24:53

know if you still get this now.

24:55

you You know get used to get you

24:57

know, you used to get like, um, like, Cosmopolitan

24:59

you know, you know, unlikely heart throbs

25:01

suspect I you asked a

25:03

lot of the women in

25:06

this country, a lot honestly, women

25:08

in this country, honestly, Skinner, they'd be

25:10

like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah with

25:12

the the big hands. and like the

25:14

I think that was what helped him think that was

25:16

what helped him gain such popularity, for

25:18

everyone everyone a dark time for everyone.

25:21

Everyone's stuck at home what to do with their

25:23

knowing what to do with their lives.

25:25

He's completely positive. the kind of of boyish

25:27

smile, been been on the apprentice He

25:29

didn't take the apprentice too seriously. too seriously either

25:31

did he was like kind of a of a because

25:33

he was a bit he was a bit of a loved it

25:35

yeah I didn't bother bother including it, but like to

25:38

focus on him want to focus on him as

25:40

a content which is which is the last five

25:42

years really like Yeah, like got sacked by sugar. But got

25:44

sacked by did it, it was did it I was

25:46

it was very like I don't want

25:48

to have to get rid of this guy

25:50

And I think the exact exact came out

25:53

with was if I was going into

25:55

battle tomorrow into battle him by my side. him by

25:57

my Yeah, yeah. You kidding me? He looks like a

25:59

great white white sharp. would, look at him.

26:01

That's a great image as well, just

26:03

like us in a war, a newly

26:06

declared war against the French, with Tom

26:08

Skinner as president. Oh who's that next

26:10

to? Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to

26:12

war with France, it's early, it's a

26:15

Monday, I'm at Dino's calf, I'm having

26:17

a roast dinner to get ready for

26:19

a lovely war. And you know me,

26:21

I don't look when I pour because

26:24

I'm the absolute guvla. There

26:27

will be a nuclear strike

26:30

at midday. He has got

26:32

like broad shoulders, fucking, and

26:34

also I mean his physique.

26:37

Yeah. I think he might

26:39

be the perfect British man.

26:43

Like, he's so strong. I mean, it's

26:45

kind of similar to the way we

26:47

described AJ, you know, from AJ and

26:49

Big Justice, the dad, who's like a

26:51

wrestler. Skinner's got a bit of wrestler's

26:53

visits. I think there's also something likable

26:55

about someone that kind of looks appealing,

26:57

but clearly doesn't do too much. Would

26:59

he like, like he doesn't go, he's

27:01

not trying to be good looking. Well,

27:03

he's not, he's not trying to like

27:05

have a good body clearly, he loves

27:07

a stellar, he has quite trained, but

27:09

he has cottage pie for breakfast as

27:11

well. Also, we just say on the

27:13

gym, by the way, and again, it's

27:15

one of the things, the sort of

27:17

political leaning things that people will want

27:19

us to kind of get at. He

27:21

did a tweet once being like, oh

27:23

this knife crime and everything that's going

27:25

on. I've tried to open a gym

27:27

in London, they won't give me any

27:29

funding. My gym that will get youths

27:31

off the street, stop a bit of

27:33

knife crime, why can't I get a

27:35

bit of funding for the boss gym?

27:37

I'll just pay for it myself anyway.

27:39

A boss, I'm putting out there like,

27:41

your gym's in Essex. Oh yeah. He's

27:43

not particularly strong. He does strong. He

27:45

does a very physical job. We're going

27:47

to get on to the job in

27:49

a minute, but I think a lot

27:51

of his job is still shifting and

27:53

selling mattresses. So he's super strong. Yes.

27:55

And there is also, like, we spoke

27:57

off mic about the difference between him,

27:59

like, and Humphreys are in

28:01

this impenetrable business-to-business-to-business sales, selling stuff you can't

28:04

touch or feel. He is still just, he's

28:06

a retail guy. People like that about him.

28:08

He is a retail, he buys something for

28:10

one price and he sells it for a

28:12

higher price, but still a price you can

28:15

afford and he takes the difference between those

28:17

two numbers. And that is appealing in this

28:19

day and age where it's fun. Well, and

28:21

that's the thing about this guy. I mean,

28:24

I'm trying to think, yeah. We spoke about

28:26

the death of the High Street. You spoke

28:28

about the death of the High Street. I

28:30

won't stop speaking about the death of the

28:32

High Street. This man is the High Street.

28:35

Yes. He's a walking, talking High Street. Yes.

28:37

That's what Tonskinner is. He's a High Street.

28:39

Yeah. And it's the interesting thing with a

28:41

lot of these, like... Because he's a businessman,

28:43

that's his office, I'll write a business, ladies

28:46

and gentlemen, I'll write a business. What does

28:48

he do? Bit of this, bit of that.

28:50

Yeah, but then, that's the thing, is like,

28:52

what does he do? It's like, yeah, bit

28:55

of it. And he's like, no, no, no,

28:57

no, no, what do you do? Yes. Now

28:59

there's Bosch beds, I think there's Bosch beds,

29:01

now there's Bosch Beds, now, there's Bosch, no,

29:03

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

29:06

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

29:08

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

29:10

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

29:12

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

29:15

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

29:17

no, no, no You know, there's another comparison

29:19

to be made, which is kind of porky

29:21

parry. Like, like, you can get him on.

29:23

I mean, there's a clip we were going

29:26

to talk about later of him being on

29:28

Good Morning Britain. I tried to find him

29:30

by just searching Tom skin a Good Morning

29:32

Britain. He's on everywhere. Yeah, he's on a

29:35

lot. He'll talk about anything. But he will

29:37

do it and like he's insanely positive. Yes.

29:39

He's sort of big and bullshit in a

29:41

way that maybe people don't always like, well

29:43

do you know what he reminds me of?

29:46

Tom Skinner. He reminds me and I used

29:48

to go on caravan holidays when I was

29:50

younger, I mentioned that all the time, when

29:52

we were about sort of 13, 14, we

29:54

started going to like Miorka, Grand Canaria, places

29:57

like that, and I take my kids on

29:59

Peggy. is now. now. A lot

30:01

of A lot of the time you go a

30:03

day package around the kids pool. and you get

30:05

around the kids pool. Yes. will

30:08

be an English dad dad

30:10

who is who's gone a colour that the

30:12

European dads cannot cannot go.

30:14

kind of kind of only

30:17

possible that's only a newly

30:19

to English skin. Like a newly fired

30:21

brick. Yeah. Like of

30:23

the of the terracotta warriors. terracotta

30:26

work. Have you word. out in the sun you been out in the

30:28

sun or were you round the back of home base

30:30

a minute? ago? There is a a

30:32

that an English dad will go. They They

30:34

will have like a towel that's like

30:36

either a flag or has got a football club

30:38

a flag almost football club on it.

30:40

They will have a silly have a silly hat

30:42

that their wife insists that they

30:45

wear because they're getting burned. They will

30:47

have kids have kids they will be

30:49

the loudest family at the swimming pool.

30:51

at the He is that dad. He is the The

30:53

concentrate that you would usually

30:55

dilute to create those dads, he's

30:58

that that dad has appointed

31:00

appointed like the the

31:02

unofficial social rep. Fuck yeah.

31:04

That's it. They're organizing. it. like

31:06

what that guy does. That guy always realizes

31:08

that there's guy does, that guy

31:10

always always some kind of a slight discrepancy.

31:12

There's always some kind of

31:14

discrepancy between what the hotel provides

31:17

And what all of you expected.

31:19

And they they become a union leader. leader. They

31:21

unionised the swimming pool. We the swimming pool. We

31:23

wanna have a table tennis tournament. Can

31:25

we have a table tennis tournament? tennis tournament? Or,

31:27

or they, the thing is what the thing is

31:30

what these guys often have. I'm reason

31:32

I'm saying this by the way is

31:34

because every time I go on holiday,

31:36

I'll spot these guys. guys, me name on Mrs

31:38

do, huh? Dora. And then and then and

31:40

then move a few beds down.

31:42

Yeah, but then three beers later

31:44

three free beds up up three beers

31:46

my best my my fucking He's my fucking

31:48

talking and I'm talking code switching to try and

31:50

be pally. to smoking I'm I haven't I

31:52

haven't smoked in years and Mike I'm

31:54

doing anything to get my kids

31:56

to be friends to be friends fucking kids Yeah,

31:58

yeah, yeah, and but that is they were always,

32:00

they unionized the Tories. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

32:02

yeah. Because they all, they will always have

32:04

a slight carrying energy. Yes. Do you know

32:07

what I mean? They will always have a

32:09

slight, oh no, look bigger on the brochure,

32:11

didn't it? Yeah. There will always be a

32:13

bit of that on holiday. And what I've

32:15

often found, whether it's, and I've noticed, I

32:17

probably had this two or three times that

32:19

I was growing up, I can't organize this

32:21

himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

32:23

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

32:25

yeah, yeah, yeah. We should take over. We

32:27

should take over. They're encouraging mutiny. That's what

32:29

they want. I want to have a five

32:32

or five football tournament. This game is not

32:34

going to sell it. And there will be

32:36

a football tour. And what will often happen,

32:38

or like I've noticed it's a lot of

32:40

darts. Yeah, darts. And what will happen is

32:42

this guy will go up against the reps

32:44

at darts because this guy plays darts in

32:46

the pub. This guy will be like, I

32:48

play every week, don't work, you can imagine

32:50

him doing a video, you can imagine Tom's

32:52

gonna do a video, I'm on holiday, with

32:54

Tenerife, I'm in Tenerife, with the kids, we're

32:57

having a good time, and I'm playing darts

32:59

with Mately Boy over here, who works at

33:01

the hotel, I'm going to absolutely batting it.

33:03

And then what will happen is you won't

33:05

realise that maybe where he works at the

33:07

hotel has been doing this every single day

33:09

for five months. But he'll kill him. Like

33:11

he'll destroy him at darts. And then the

33:13

English dad, you'll be like, I'm worried you're

33:15

going to throw a dart at his head.

33:17

It's always like an undertone lingering violence. It's

33:19

like when you hang around with the naughty

33:21

kid at school. This is a laugh. This

33:24

is a laugh. He's got a nice guy.

33:26

He's chuckeded to dart a dart at someone.

33:28

But that's, I love that with skin. And

33:30

what you kind of get a little bit,

33:32

and as we referenced, you know, the videos

33:34

he does now, do you know, it's funny,

33:36

I was doing my research, there was one

33:38

from like lockdown, where not long after a

33:40

relax, during Stella, where like his numbers must

33:42

have just started going through the roof. And

33:44

someone had obviously said to him, do this,

33:46

like keep filming yourself, just fucking, I mean,

33:49

he puts up like three re reels a

33:51

day, like Jeremy fragrance. then, think it

33:53

think it was to

33:55

new to him like, well, what's

33:57

all this? Oh, what's all

33:59

this? when they people like

34:01

it when they just

34:03

see videos of me

34:05

on the internet. But yeah, and

34:07

I think think in terms you know, you kind of

34:09

referred to to a bit of a bit of

34:11

or there's been an arc in terms

34:13

of how much he's liked of how much he's

34:15

liked provoked certain opinions. certain opinions. That is just a

34:17

a bit of the general arc with fame, I

34:20

I think. I don't know that it's

34:22

specific to him, it's like It's does something

34:24

that is kind of unintentionally of oh shit,

34:26

people like this, I'm a like this, personality. I

34:29

do this thing, this it becomes a thing and

34:31

I'm in the it day and I'm shouting in

34:33

the cafe every day. every day, of, I'm that's how

34:35

I feel about him. He doesn't really inspire

34:37

the same level of antipathy to me because it's

34:39

just him. He he's just, he's become too big

34:41

to fail. Do you know I mean? the same level

34:43

why people dislike him. We'll get get that. that, I

34:45

do believe, I don't think he, lot of the

34:47

people we cover famous like go, years. I been trying

34:49

to get was the case with this for years. it I

34:51

don't think that was the case with than all.

34:53

So much. I think it was much more much more

34:55

that. I think he was having a laugh. was

34:57

having a laugh in the kind of video I think

34:59

he would have sent to the group chat in a

35:01

laugh. That's the kind of video I think he would have, think. big. he was having

35:03

a laugh in a laugh was always a thing think he would have

35:05

a laugh and gentlemen, of, I I'm off to work I

35:07

he would have a laugh in the you could get a Bosch

35:09

I think he would have, off week. I think he always have, trying

35:11

to fuel his business. he would have a laugh, I you're

35:13

like, I what is the business? have, I And And he

35:15

drives a very nice car. a nice It lives a

35:17

nice life. It's clearly got a bit of cash.

35:19

You go, You is the business? the business?

35:22

This is... The business! As far far

35:24

as we're able to tell, tell, is

35:26

the business. Good

35:28

morning and happy Wednesday you lovely people.

35:30

Dan Burish and Edmunds the sun shining we're

35:32

we're out in the grafting

35:34

and we've got some fantastic

35:36

lines just for you. you

35:39

got look we've got a day these

35:41

these are bears these are 50 money,

35:43

anywhere in the country, anywhere

35:45

in pound a day. it

35:47

And of course, my my favourite

35:49

line the crystal glass champagne floats one pound

35:51

box two box. box and listen, Tommy's

35:54

in a flat cap, day. him every

35:56

day, 10 pound, three colours, grey and

35:58

black, black, have I, course. the...

36:00

Yankee Cairns area. We've got pans ready

36:02

for Christmas. We've even got Nike Air

36:04

Force One. We've got polo shirts as

36:06

well, and we've got their lovely air

36:09

straightening brushes. Cages are Vivian water, and

36:11

this market is a water. A sip,

36:13

antibatorial waste. These are three pannings, one

36:15

pound of pack here the day. It's

36:18

all cheap. So where are you doing?

36:20

Come and see us in the market.

36:22

Have some deals, have some deals. So

36:24

that's easy to sneer at. That is

36:26

easy to sneer at. You could look

36:29

at that and go, fucking businessman, he's

36:31

in Bury St Edmund, selling two champagne

36:33

fruits for a pound. What would happen

36:35

if you or I lived in Bury

36:38

St Edmunds, if one of our girlfriends

36:40

would send us out to get someone

36:42

from town? we'd come back and we

36:44

wouldn't come in from the car immediately

36:47

and either Emma or Lana would go,

36:49

what are you doing out there? And

36:51

it'd be us hiding 25 pound teddy

36:53

bears in a garage or us not

36:55

wanting to know we've bought three boxes

36:58

of Air Force One. Have you got

37:00

a flat cap on? Yeah. Because I'm

37:02

buying it! Yes. For whatever you want

37:04

to say about Tom Skinner, and it's

37:07

not just the tat he sells at

37:09

market stores, it's the whole persona. It's

37:11

everything about him. You might say it's

37:13

garish, you might say it's this, it's

37:16

that. I'm sorry, I'm buying it. Yeah,

37:18

I don't mind it. I don't mind

37:20

it. I don't mind it. And it's

37:22

also, it's fucking clever because he's taking

37:24

commonplace products, he's finding them at a,

37:27

probably at a cheaper price than than

37:29

usual through wholesale. No, they're not. And

37:31

his brand is the X factor on

37:33

top that allows him to generate profit.

37:36

Exactly. Which is a hard-earned thing. And

37:38

like, you know, you sometimes get these

37:40

lads on Instagram that like. Do you

37:42

want to know how to make four

37:45

thousand pounds a month by selling products

37:47

on Amazon? And it's like, you go

37:49

and you find the toy that's most

37:51

expensive at the moment, you put it

37:53

on Amazon. Like he's doing that, but

37:56

in real life, he's just doing retail

37:58

arbitrage down the market. that's, not

38:00

even not even retail arbitrage, it's just

38:02

fucking good at personality, what he's using personality.

38:04

They're using an algorithm. it. But He's

38:06

using personality. Every time you find one

38:08

of those an algorithm. Yes. He's using a if

38:11

you want to make Every a month one

38:13

of using your phone, sign up via

38:15

the link in my bio, 20 reply

38:17

to this with a money bag

38:19

emoji, I will tell you how I

38:21

can do it my bio, reply to this with a

38:23

money bag just putting that clip out you

38:25

own. can do it, it's the most boring

38:27

shit in in the world. And the thing is,

38:29

thing is, basically a a pyramid scheme where

38:31

they would up to another one and

38:33

someone would've gone, well the actual

38:36

way you make money from well, the trading

38:38

is by convincing money morons to sign

38:40

up by a forex fucking like you

38:42

did, right? buy 4X training just

38:44

are did, right? They talentless,

38:46

charismaless. fucking vacuums of men. yes

38:48

Hidden behind a fringe and a

38:50

Nike a night tech fleece track nothing. have This

38:52

man is what retail was built

38:54

on. on are not buying the buying the

38:56

are buying the the high street personality is

38:59

the high street. And what I

39:01

wanna I want to to next is, next

39:03

is like he just speaks like a

39:05

market trader. trader doesn't matter what he's

39:07

talking about. talking about right he's He's in

39:09

persona all the time. So, talking were talking about

39:11

Big John earlier. earlier Yeah. -hmm, I don't know

39:13

what's going on I don't know

39:15

what's going on behind the scenes. I

39:17

don't know what money's changed hands.

39:19

I it's worked. know Right. it's worked. from a good

39:22

But I do know from a good source. of his Chinese,

39:24

and all of his Chinese, and it's

39:26

not Red Richardson, by the way. way. the story

39:28

read the stuff I've done to stuff I've done to

39:30

Red over the years. lives in I so big

39:33

John always I know the same lives in the

39:35

blue orchid yes goes to the same Chinese, talking

39:37

about John has been talking about the

39:39

Blue Orchid for John years. John has been

39:41

filming himself, making to the Blue Orchid.

39:43

Big John's son has become a very

39:45

successful videographer, shout out shout out Po and films,

39:47

food from the Blue Orchid regularly to

39:49

the point that I've been that I've informed

39:51

that the Blue Orchid have doubled their

39:53

prices. have Double their prices, Wow! you cannot

39:55

get a table at the Blue Orchid

39:58

where it's so busy. it's so that's sick. sick.

40:00

don't think Big John ever Big John ever

40:02

planned that. think Big John's paying for I don't

40:04

think at the paying for Oh, I meals at the not. If

40:06

I bet done with doubled their prices, you can't get a

40:08

table. I do wonder if there's some brown envelopes going

40:10

under the table at the Blue Orchid. table at the Blue

40:12

War kid. Hey, Mr John. Easy.

40:14

We'd like like to speak to

40:16

you No, that's got to go. I'm doing Italian. Okay, okay,

40:19

right. No, I'm not being not being I'm

40:21

just incredibly bad want to speak to

40:23

you outside to you outside the back of the

40:25

west understand Mr. videos are making

40:27

us a lot of extra money

40:29

videos take this brown us lot definitely

40:31

gonna money. You take this bonus. No,

40:33

that's definitely going to go. He's Italian.

40:35

I'm trying to be Chinese. I'm bad

40:37

at impression. The point point I'm

40:40

trying to make is that like... I think I think I

40:42

put the idea in your head and

40:44

then you start then you start towards it it.

40:46

The right wing on my shoulder shoulder. This way,

40:49

this way. No, I'm trying to make the a

40:51

trying to make is if a charismatic

40:53

Essex from to tells you to do

40:55

something in you fucking do fucking do it

40:57

because they have a skill They have

40:59

a gift of the You You might

41:01

have seen videos of Eddie of he

41:04

was younger Yeah, he was was basically

41:06

a market stall tradesman. And thing with Eddie with

41:08

Eddie Hearn, um, of a of a geyser, to

41:10

private school. school. spoke to someone. I've

41:12

done, I've researched Tom Skinner big time. I

41:15

to went to school with Tom. to

41:17

school with Tom. Greater apparently. Really? He

41:19

did get excluded. excluded. He got kicked

41:21

out Allegedly, we we don't know

41:23

that for sure. sure. I'll

41:26

get the text if you want. want. That doesn't prove it, does it? prove

41:28

it, does it? uh, anyway, uh, Ginger from anywhere. One of his mates went to

41:30

school with Skinner. Oh, right, so it's three steps one of his mates went

41:32

to school with the tree. Basically, right, guy it's three steps with

41:34

It's only three steps he was, he was really nice guy at school, right, really

41:36

guy who went to school with Skinner sort of yeah,

41:38

he was a really nice guy at school, I saw him, I

41:40

saw good, saw got kicked out I saw him, I saw him, I saw him,

41:43

I saw him, I of disappeared for a bit. I saw thing

41:45

I saw him, I think, I saw him, I think it was think, I

41:47

saw him, I think, I saw him, I saw him, I saw -off I think, I saw I saw

41:49

him, I saw him, amazing. Because he's got the skill. Do

41:51

you know who else Do bit of the gift of

41:53

the guy, a bit of the a Are you gonna

41:55

say yourself? of the guy, a bit of the sale? Are you

41:57

going to say yourself? I am. I am actually,

41:59

yeah. am. I am. I've always, I've

42:01

worked in retail for a long time. Yep.

42:03

Yeah. I've managed to fucking rope you

42:05

into this. was awesome. Yeah, that was everything.

42:07

Fucking hell. Talking about people being mugged

42:10

off by people on the internet. I need

42:12

to start a support group. Me and

42:14

the lads doing the retail arbitrage. My name's

42:16

Jacob Orley. This is a message to

42:18

Jake Farrell. If you want to make upwards

42:20

of £400 a month for a podcast.

42:22

Three years from now. I will teach you.

42:24

You'll have scars on your legs from

42:26

a Bengal cat chewing on your shins. But

42:28

in three years five, you could be

42:30

making £400 a month. You're going to need

42:32

a lot of hats, but don't... Reply

42:34

podcasts to this message. That's fucking hilarious. But

42:36

I, I was like this. I wanted

42:38

to be like him. I wanted to have

42:40

the kind of market -stool gift of the

42:42

gap. When I was at school, you

42:44

remember when we were at school there was

42:47

those like Livestrong bands? I do, yeah.

42:49

For charity, famously. I wonder

42:51

where this is going. Go

42:53

on. And then Thierry Henry did a kick

42:55

it out one. Yeah, the racism one for night.

42:57

Racism one. Again, charity. I managed to get

42:59

them off of eBay. I managed to get a

43:01

bulk of them from eBay. Yeah. I got

43:03

ones that smelled of fruit. Wow. Yeah. They weren't

43:05

attached to any particular cause. They were just

43:07

wristbands. Well, yeah, the cause was me. I

43:10

bought them cheap, set them up in my locker

43:12

at school. I did deals like two for

43:14

a five. People would use their dinner money and

43:16

I'd sell them. I'm raising money for bald

43:18

sausage dogs. You want to buy one of these?

43:22

My dog can't get shagged for love nor money. I need

43:24

some. Buy

43:26

one of these things. Go on. Baa.

43:30

Now, Mr. Holly, I see you're doing

43:32

some good business in the common room

43:34

of the school. I understand your little

43:36

bald sausage dog wants to feel pure

43:38

pleasure. If you want to make extra

43:40

money from the blue orchard, what's the

43:43

want? What do we do? He's doing

43:45

Italian, everyone. He's definitely doing Italian. what

43:47

I want to point out next is

43:49

he just can't stop talking as a

43:51

fucking market store settlement. He went on

43:53

a very big podcast a year or

43:55

so ago. He should just be saying,

43:57

I went on this podcast. was great.

43:59

He sounds like he's trying to set. you

44:01

a football in this video. in this video. Yeah, other

44:03

people from the people from the extended if we'd

44:05

like to call them that here, with

44:07

Mr like call them that here, with Mr

44:09

Tom Skinner. How are we doing that

44:12

you lovely? With the absolute legends, look

44:14

Gary Neville, Jamie we're gonna

44:16

get going to get on the

44:18

bees! Abosh! If

44:20

he said to me to me, 300

44:22

quid, you can come me and me and me

44:24

and Evelyn Carragher, I'm paying it there, isn't it? Yeah.

44:26

Also, up a limit. people like that.

44:28

Three I guess it's a large

44:30

number. Exactly how much is

44:33

in my it for a three hundred? I guess

44:35

it's a he said to me

44:37

Exactly how much is in my current go for

44:39

a beer with him. said to

44:41

me, three hundred and he's got

44:43

that positivity. I want you that one-one-one

44:45

I wanna watch that

44:47

one more time. I

44:50

I don't know know ever been around someone

44:52

as positive as him. As, who's on everybody, as

44:54

him, as have a good time. we're gonna have a

44:56

I've had a we're gonna at four in the

44:58

morning. I've had be pie at four in right? it's all

45:00

The positivity all so infectious. right? is like being

45:02

on drugs. so infectious, wanna watch Neville one

45:05

more time. drugs. Yes. I wanna watch Never this

45:07

clip, time, watch Never in this clip, honestly, like if

45:09

you'd believe he's on on gear, like he

45:11

can't stop moving where he's

45:13

so so infused, How are we

45:15

doing that you lovely people around for the

45:17

outlet with the X-O-X-O-S line? Look, Gary Neville, Jamie Kerega,

45:19

we're going to get on the bees! Abash! They mean

45:22

we've all over their circuit, the end. What I

45:24

suppose, touched on in previous

45:26

episodes is episodes how everything

45:28

has become social media, to

45:30

an extent, to an and in

45:32

a way, a way, social media,

45:34

what we mean by that by

45:36

that is, is an extent, sales. sales,

45:39

Right? It's like getting people's attention and

45:42

getting them to, right? Getting people to follow. So it's

45:44

like, in a in a way,

45:46

it's like were skills that

45:48

will market stores or in Blue Water or

45:50

in blue water shopping basically been

45:52

able to basically been able to Hearn

45:54

being two and examples good examples of

45:57

like, basically able to mainline this

45:59

kind of. skill into British popular

46:01

culture to become become like ubiquitous within popular

46:03

culture popular the same way that walking

46:05

past them at walking past them at blue water

46:07

be attracted by their attention be give

46:09

you a little by their want buy one

46:11

of these hats or whatever a can't

46:13

avoid it my one these hats or The

46:15

whole country is now it that the whole country

46:17

is now blue safe. nowhere is phone screen is

46:19

blue water. screen is blue is, it is.

46:21

That's why you do your where you do

46:24

your is dead. the fucking high street is dead I think

46:26

that what you're saying there, I think what you're saying

46:28

there, I think some people for themselves

46:30

for social media, whereas some people's

46:32

social media was manufactured for them. Do you

46:34

know what I what I mean? you very

46:36

much. you very much. Last week with the

46:39

everyone. Sorry it's coming next week. And

46:41

stop week. me about it now. me off. now, fuck

46:43

off! the of people. If you need a new I'll buy

46:45

you a new bell. buy you a new bell. our own

46:47

own guy wants to buy us a bell, to

46:49

we buy us a bell, we will take one, but you

46:51

forgot it today. bought one, but you've got that in. I get

46:53

that in. Like some people, Like, AJ people, like when we watched, when we

46:55

didn't have said about them, we didn't have we them, and then

46:57

we saw behind the scenes how they were going,

46:59

no, make sure you say this say then say that

47:02

first, then that. say that, I I don't think Skinner

47:04

to do that. to do I reckon I reckon

47:06

don't think he's doing many second takes.

47:08

I you know what I mean? he's He

47:10

has been walking around No. like this

47:12

his entire life and social media like like,

47:14

entire life, thank God people like him exist.

47:16

Thank God people like Eddie like exist.

47:18

Eddie Thank God you remember there was like Eddie Hearn

47:20

thing? Eddie Hearn. Where he was just so

47:22

built, was that no context Hearn of footage of

47:24

Eddie Hearn being interviewed by Coug there's that

47:26

is Eddie Hearn's main job. Like. Eddie Hearn

47:29

being interviewed. Who had already heard and and scheduled

47:31

it, it'd be be like, yeah, a lot of

47:33

of a million are being done in the background.

47:35

I'm just sat around talking to just sat

47:37

for most of the day. Kugi Bear for most of

47:39

says more funny stuff in those interviews than

47:41

most normal comedians most their whole career. Normal

47:43

comedians. comedians. All comedians. All There's no, no

47:45

one is as funny funny as it's the

47:48

same with same with Skinner. the thing the thing Skinner,

47:50

it is an irresistible magnetism. The that the of

47:52

he's got the got, the amount of personalities he's

47:54

got, he's... Fucking funny in the

47:56

same same way I saw him by swimming

47:58

pool pool I'd initially go go darling

48:00

we should have spent a bit more

48:02

money on the bloody all inclusive This is

48:04

why I told you we should have

48:06

done we should have done mykonos not bloody

48:08

fallorackie Two beers later. I'm sat with

48:10

him going. Yeah, let's fucking convince Pedro to

48:12

do a dance competition Whether he likes

48:14

it or not you boss, okay? And if

48:17

they don't have a barbecue tomorrow, we're

48:19

gonna set fire to a bin and Tom's

48:21

gonna cook sausages on that instead Isn't

48:23

he kids come on kids still crying kids

48:25

right that like no one can resist

48:27

it There are people in this world who

48:29

cannot resist the magnetism and power of

48:31

Tom Skinner He's got some unlikely friends. Yes,

48:33

and we're building to that Yeah, this

48:35

by the way, and this guy who we're

48:37

gonna talk about now Ryland. What a

48:39

broadcaster. He is I actually mean that though.

48:41

Yeah, we're gonna talk about Tom Skinner

48:43

and Ryland now Have you ever listened to

48:45

Ryland's radio to show? Yes, great He's

48:48

he is born for that job.

48:50

He is one of the best disc

48:52

jockeys that the BBC has ever

48:54

seen We'll

49:00

get to the politics of Tom Skinner in

49:02

a minute, but before we do I know

49:04

everyone wants us to get to that But

49:06

this is just an example of him out

49:08

on the lash with Ryland How are we

49:10

doing you lovely people? It's Wednesday night. Well,

49:12

I mean literally in solo. I've come to

49:14

see my pal We dress that full Ryland's

49:22

got leather trousers on those of you aren't watching

49:24

in some like knee -high boots I don't know

49:26

why he's just like this. We're having a glass

49:28

of wine. Love it laughing. Graff it hard all

49:30

day. Anything else you want to tell me? Oh

49:43

We're on the bees

49:45

no ideas ever great day

49:47

a boss, okay Now

49:52

Ryland is clearly hammered yes

49:54

in that but what you

49:56

get out there is The

50:00

fun side of a

50:02

very working class who gets gets in

50:04

a funny friendship with

50:06

a very camp gay guy.

50:08

a good pairing a good pairing. of

50:10

fun a lot of fun. That's documentary

50:12

level. So you know know Graham soon is Yeah, not personally.

50:14

Yeah, who personally, yeah. Yeah, who his best

50:16

friend was? where a few years away a few

50:18

years ago. Winton. Really? They Really? They had

50:21

that exact friendship. by the that. And by

50:23

the way, Graham Sunez, I know people

50:25

don't like him because you know, seen as being

50:27

a bit of bit of a like sort of

50:29

defender sort of defender. And one of the most

50:31

charitable men in football men in he would

50:33

spend would spend seemingly most weekends they and Dale

50:35

Winton a charity charity together charity dinners. But they that that

50:37

kind of a day. And you

50:40

mean to tell me we've

50:42

had me fucking series of

50:44

fucking and his boring Whitele and

50:46

his boring we could have

50:48

had seven series of could have

50:51

had seven series of Graham Soonest Dale Winter. Unbelievable.

50:53

But he Skinner two. Rylen

50:55

of Skinner on a voyage of lot of

50:57

that would be, What a lot of that would be.

50:59

I was 18, was 18, here

51:01

we go. go. When

51:04

I was 18, I went to Yeah? Famously. Told the

51:06

story briefly on the the story before, for anyone who for

51:08

anyone who hasn't heard it. on a lad's all day, six

51:10

my mates, fell in of my mates, fell in

51:12

love with a Slovakian England, didn't came back to

51:14

England, didn't have much to do. My

51:16

mate, Big David, fell a similar situation, fell

51:18

in love with a Greek waitress called We won

51:20

a We won a poker game at our

51:22

local pub, back flights back with no return

51:24

flight, out got jobs out for stayed for

51:26

the whole summer, summer, went back the summer

51:28

after. the summer after. While we were we there that

51:30

summer? I mean we both mean, we both it.

51:32

Slovakia and Go cheating on me was cheating on me

51:34

and was just gutted just Dave Dave came back,

51:36

to be honest with with you. And so what so

51:39

what would happen is we got jobs at bars and we were

51:41

jobs at bars and we were mates of

51:43

all the other people working at that bar

51:45

and the other bars and that, but what would

51:47

happen is would week there'd be week know, be you

51:49

of new tourists that would come over, wanna

51:51

be your mate, over, want to know, mate, you know, some

51:53

of them, them. and then a bit, but you'd get

51:56

right you'd and you'd hang out for a week

51:58

with them and there was a group of well that

52:00

we got very friendly with right and

52:02

I mean like friendly like we were

52:04

mate with them we'd hang out with

52:06

them all the time right we'd meet

52:08

up with them in the day times

52:10

we'd hang out at night but they

52:12

had a gay guy with them called

52:14

Ashley now I don't mind telling you

52:16

that my mate Big Dave from Ozzy

52:18

born Ozzy bread strong in the arm

52:20

thick in the end right that guy

52:22

hadn't had a gay friend before no

52:24

18 at 18 we were kids right

52:26

I don't know, genuinely I don't know

52:28

if anyone in our school would come

52:30

out. I talk about this in my

52:32

stand-up show at the moment, but like

52:34

people forget how homophobic and closeted schools

52:36

were in the 90s and mid-19s. I

52:38

genuinely, I'm racking my brains, I don't

52:41

think there was one gay person who

52:43

came out in our school year of

52:45

150 up to the age we were

52:47

18. I didn't know anyone that was

52:49

openly gay till I went to uni

52:51

for sure. I mean, I know there

52:53

were people in my year who had

52:55

since come out of school, but they

52:57

were not hours school yet, yeah, yeah,

52:59

yeah. So it was interesting and I

53:01

was, even at that age, I was

53:03

already a bit more kind of like

53:05

lefty, like, He wanted to be a

53:07

comedian. I wanted to be a comedian,

53:09

but I also, I always had friends

53:11

from other schools, I was, I don't

53:13

want, like, an 18 year old who

53:15

goes to Falaraki on holiday can never

53:17

be worldly. Yeah, you were in Navarro

53:19

media, right? No, no, but me and

53:21

Big Dave were slightly different like that.

53:23

You were slightly more lonely than you.

53:25

I think I had friends who were

53:27

gay and his dad's mates from the

53:29

pubs and our mates and watch football

53:31

and that was, that was Big Dave

53:33

Dave Dave. Yes. And over the course

53:35

of this week, watching him becomes friends

53:37

with this guy called Ashley, this gay

53:39

Welsh guy who, when I say gay

53:41

Welsh guy, he was hilarious because he

53:43

was incredibly camped, but he was also

53:45

very kind of like, the valleys was

53:47

a thing at the time. I don't

53:49

know if you remember that. I remember,

53:51

yeah, yeah, vaguely, yeah. And I will

53:53

say this in relation to Tom Skinner.

53:55

I think Essex is the most culturally

53:57

influential part of the country, maybe part

53:59

of Europe. At the moment it is

54:01

in this country. years. And it influenced,

54:03

it influenced parts of like the Welsh

54:05

valleys. They were suddenly caked in fake

54:07

tan, dark hair, you know, silly clothes.

54:09

And this Ashley guy was very like

54:11

that. And him, like, I think immediately

54:13

he noticed, the other thing about him

54:15

actually, all the girls were like 18,

54:17

19, I raised, he was like 33.

54:19

Was he? Yeah, it's quite weird. Interesting.

54:21

Yeah. I like fish out of water

54:23

friendships like that. Big Dave and Ashley

54:25

together. Yeah, I mean, I'm just worrying

54:27

now, I'm like, oh God, was he

54:29

a Perth? Was he... I don't think

54:31

so. Was he putting it on? Got

54:33

no evidence to do that? Basically, he

54:35

would wind up Big Dave, and he

54:37

was aware that Big Dave... I will

54:39

not use the word Homeophobia, but Big

54:41

Dave, but Big Dave was not used

54:43

the word home favourite, but Big Dave

54:45

was very home phable, and he got

54:47

some... Even there, even there, we're Skinner,

54:49

even there, I was joking. Like that's

54:52

what it became like with Big Dave

54:54

and his Ashley guy. To the point

54:56

that I remember, you know like, Ashley

54:58

was in the pool, Big Dave was

55:00

in the pool, the other bit of

55:02

the pool. Like, you know, it's like

55:04

the kids' pool, there's like a little

55:06

like railing almost where you can't get

55:08

to it from the main pool. Big

55:10

Dave, like the joke had become the

55:12

Ashley fantasy, you'll never get this. It's

55:14

good stuff. It is good stuff. It's

55:16

funny. Now, that is what is going

55:18

on between, like Skinner and Ryland, it's

55:20

good banter. And it's not what you

55:22

would imagine. For the people out there

55:24

who think that Skinner is this big

55:26

right-wing reform voting thug. I don't think

55:28

that guy would be taking Rylen to

55:30

a kebab shop as he is in

55:32

this next clip. Yeah, should we just

55:34

watch this? Yeah, this is another insight

55:36

into their very endearing relationship between Skinner

55:38

and Rylen. This one, they are sloshed

55:40

again and at a kebab shop.

55:42

a it like a bad, bad, bad,

55:44

bad, no, bad, no. Is it a

55:46

bad idea? Is it a bad, what's

55:48

going on, is it all right?

55:50

a of the end

55:52

there were people watching this, going

55:54

on? Is he

55:56

all right? Look, there

55:58

were people watching we'd

56:00

they disagree with

56:02

me, they'd be know

56:04

you know it's possible

56:06

for for right wing thugs

56:08

to be friends

56:10

with gay be friends with gay.

56:12

I'm aware of of that.

56:14

I think what

56:16

I'm trying to point

56:18

out is that to

56:20

point to me, what

56:22

Skinner feels like feels

56:24

like is who maybe

56:26

comes from that world.

56:28

that world. Yeah. That where people sometimes

56:30

do tend to end up a bit more.

56:32

up a bit wanna say don't that

56:34

way, say reform, but that way mind it. Yeah,

56:37

yeah. Well, I... I don't yeah, think reform is

56:39

even too strong. I think it's just I think

56:41

it's just like like, the basic social outlook,

56:43

and not to be like, again, outlook, where we and

56:45

not to be like, again, we're

56:47

and I was like, up not like the kind of fan

56:49

it not whatever, of the basic social whatever,

56:51

but of basic social outlook of where

56:53

we grew up, up, is we grew

56:55

up, is kind of soft sea

56:57

conservatism like, roughly social conservatism, I think. economically

57:00

I I think people are slightly

57:02

more progressive and left -wing, and left-wing are

57:04

in unions, people that own their

57:06

own businesses, people that own fair taxation

57:08

system, but want fair things that I

57:10

sometimes see people digging that I sometimes see

57:12

people for. Tom Skinner out for things that

57:14

I think think every single person above the

57:16

age of 30 of I was growing up

57:18

up in Stevenage thought. Like all of of my grandparents were

57:20

from working class backgrounds and all of

57:22

them apart from one of them from one for

57:24

voted all of them. All of them. And

57:26

they believe, like, and I disagreed with them politically on with them

57:28

politically on a number of things. I'm sure if

57:30

Tom Skinner and I ever got the chance

57:32

to meet, the we would disagree politically on a

57:35

number of things. It's the same, on a number with

57:37

Tree It's the a lot. I did I have to with

57:39

Geordi has said things in the past that are

57:41

have racist. Tree Jordi has said things in the past that

57:43

for those things. Well, I mean,

57:45

Jeff and he is probably a better

57:47

example, right? things. Well yeah, well he's a concern he's

57:49

an open in open conservative they won They won

57:51

every election, basically, for the last

57:53

the years. it's like something you have

57:55

to, like, to like right but no no I was gonna

57:57

was going to make a different.

57:59

I mean Jeff says himself, he's like,

58:02

he's like, people assume that I'm

58:04

this racist homophobe, he's like, he

58:06

openly says he's a Tory, he

58:08

admits, he admits, he's like, half

58:11

the fucking country. Yeah, probably more.

58:13

But like, you know, how can

58:15

you be friends with him? Because

58:17

he's a basically good guy, I've

58:19

never seen him be nasty, I've

58:22

never seen him be nasty in

58:24

any way. Jeff wouldn't mind me

58:26

saying, like, his son's got two

58:28

godfathers. Yeah, true Jordi. Said the

58:30

racist thing. Apologised for that. I

58:33

do believe that was a mistake

58:35

he made whilst a bit pissed.

58:37

It doesn't affect what he actually

58:39

believes about people from Islamic background.

58:41

I believe that because he has,

58:43

Brian wouldn't mind him saying he's

58:46

got a wife from an Islamic

58:48

background. He spends most of his

58:50

time working in the kingdom of

58:52

Riyadh for his excellency terk. He

58:54

does get money for that to

58:57

be fair, but yeah. Yeah, fair

58:59

enough. Right? So I don't think

59:01

he's a racist. Yeah, yeah, it

59:03

is possible that he is a

59:05

Jordi guy who spent a lot

59:08

of time underwater. It was a

59:10

deep soil dive. I don't know

59:12

why this is going to like

59:14

defending true Jordi. I'm defending true

59:16

Jordi. I'm defending people who maybe

59:19

think differently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

59:21

I think ultimately what you should

59:23

do with all of those people

59:25

is thoroughly examine whether they're actually

59:27

racist, actually fascist, actually fascist, actually

59:30

nasty, anything like that. I don't

59:32

think we got anything. And so

59:34

what I did do, because I

59:36

can only judge Tom Skinner from

59:38

what he puts on the internet,

59:41

seems good, but you don't know

59:43

what people are like behind closed

59:45

doors. Fortunately I've got a mate.

59:47

Sam, now Sam does a podcast

59:49

called the reverse cowboy podcast. knows

59:51

Tom Skinner. Sam hangs out with

59:54

Tom Skinner. Now, the whole point

59:56

of the first cowboy podcast, Sam

59:58

and another guy called All Right

1:00:00

Fans, they come from different sides

1:00:02

of the political spectrum. Sam is

1:00:05

a very, very lefty guy. Right.

1:00:07

Right. He's made with Tom Skinner.

1:00:09

So I messaged Sam and I

1:00:11

was like, can you give me

1:00:13

a little bit of info? Because

1:00:16

I said to him, I was

1:00:18

like, look, our patrons have put

1:00:20

us up and said, would you

1:00:22

do an episode about this episode

1:00:24

about this guy? If he's a

1:00:27

racist, I don't know what I

1:00:29

mean? I don't want to be

1:00:31

like, he's geaser of the year!

1:00:33

So we got a voice note

1:00:35

from Sam, giving us the inside

1:00:38

scoop on Mr Tom Skinner. So

1:00:41

when I first met Skinner, I felt like

1:00:44

I was meeting one of those dogs that,

1:00:46

you know, it's really family orientated, it's lovely,

1:00:48

everybody loves it, it's really warm and never

1:00:50

done anything wrong, but you just sort of

1:00:53

know that if somebody stands on its tail

1:00:55

the wrong way or something, you know, it

1:00:57

might devour a toddler, you know, and I

1:00:59

just snapped a bit scared of him like

1:01:02

that, but... He took me to this pop

1:01:04

that he drinks him, which is fucking horrible.

1:01:06

And he introduced me to loads of terrifying

1:01:08

looking blokes. And after about eight drinks, he

1:01:11

got me in a headlock and started introducing

1:01:13

me to people as his pet lesbian. So

1:01:15

I was like, oh, fucking hell. Then he

1:01:17

introduced me to this one guy. He was

1:01:20

definitely one of the great train robbers. He

1:01:22

was about 90. Massive turkey teeth. like a

1:01:24

50 gram roll like something, he had a

1:01:26

bodyguard and he just kept sort of going

1:01:29

like talking under his breath at me and

1:01:31

I couldn't hear him and he'd go like

1:01:33

he was like that slapping the table and

1:01:35

I was terrified you know I thought I'm

1:01:38

not going to get out of you I

1:01:40

was looking around for Skinner and he'd already

1:01:42

abandoned me to go to be with his

1:01:44

family because that's the kind of guy he

1:01:47

is really but it turns out Tom Skinner

1:01:49

is extremely loving, positive and warm,

1:01:51

you know, he's a great friend and he wants the

1:01:53

best for everyone genuinely. He does have like some kind

1:01:55

of chirchilian themed autism 100% but I think that's

1:01:57

I think that's just because

1:02:00

he can't help but only

1:02:02

see the positive in things

1:02:04

and in people and in

1:02:06

situations you know he just

1:02:08

wants the best for everyone. wants

1:02:10

the best for know. so you easy

1:02:12

on him, him he's a good

1:02:14

guy. He really is. is Now, again, like, I

1:02:16

should be, like, not there again, needs to be to

1:02:18

be, clear. would consider to be made

1:02:20

clear. I would consider myself a

1:02:22

left -wing person, and I think there are

1:02:25

probably many, many areas of where I disagree and

1:02:27

policy where I disagree with, with Tom Skinner.

1:02:29

And I know one thing that people

1:02:31

were angry with him about recently an an

1:02:33

endorsement of Donald Trump. Trump. that

1:02:35

does cross the line for some

1:02:37

people because Donald Trump has because

1:02:39

some particularly heinous things about Mexicans

1:02:41

and Muslim people, heinous things about the past,

1:02:43

and he has people and in the past

1:02:45

and to bring back. to

1:02:47

bring back abortion ban ban U .S.

1:02:49

or to continue that, right?

1:02:51

that right so I feel I feel like

1:02:54

I kind of of get it, but on the

1:02:56

other hand, literally 70 million people just voted

1:02:58

for him as well. well. we're going to contend

1:03:00

that like anyone that likes Donald Trump is like

1:03:02

Donald grata, that's probably not going to fly as

1:03:04

a political project going forward, right? a So like,

1:03:06

I kind of get that beyond that I kind of

1:03:08

get that. Beyond that though, I might disagree with

1:03:10

him on a whole load of things. load of things. I

1:03:12

disagree with my my on on everything, right? And we

1:03:14

had a good relationship as well. as He had

1:03:17

some political views that I wasn't a big

1:03:19

fan of. They never crossed the line into

1:03:21

stuff where it's completely unacceptable, but he believed

1:03:23

in some Thatcherite Churchill -y and stuff that

1:03:25

I in give a fuck about. churchilly and I don't

1:03:27

know how we're going to move forward know how

1:03:29

we're going to move forward and or how the how the left

1:03:31

is ever going to be a proper force

1:03:34

in this country if you you at least make

1:03:36

common ground with these people these along the

1:03:38

line. the line. Hundred percent. And like when I don't want to

1:03:40

don't want to sound on skinning

1:03:42

so I don't think He's gonna

1:03:44

gonna fucking the patronizing on skinning so

1:03:46

I don't think he's an idiot to sound and

1:03:48

I do think I'll don't think he's an idiot, with

1:03:50

I do think, he be very honest with you.

1:03:53

I do think he knows I do think he

1:03:55

knows what he's doing. I do think he probably

1:03:57

plays up the side side. He plays up that

1:03:59

side. and and what would worry that maybe he allows

1:04:01

himself to appeal to people who do

1:04:03

have genuinely nasty beliefs. That is maybe

1:04:05

one accusation you can make. Maybe you

1:04:07

can say, you know what mate, maybe

1:04:09

you should look at how many reform

1:04:11

voters really do love you and when

1:04:13

you are just like, England's great, blah

1:04:15

blah blah blah. Maybe consider that. I

1:04:17

mean there's one clip, should we do

1:04:19

it? The good morning Britain one that

1:04:21

we've left out so far? Yeah, I

1:04:23

think, I mean, we could do that.

1:04:25

We'd do that. I just want to

1:04:27

quickly watch this one, because this is

1:04:29

maybe, in terms of his nationalism, this

1:04:31

is the most famous bit, and this

1:04:33

is, I think when, with this, if

1:04:35

I was to challenge him, I'd be

1:04:37

like, you have to be careful how

1:04:39

many nasty people watch this, and you're

1:04:41

validating what they think. I also do

1:04:43

think he's just being a wind-up fucker.

1:04:45

Yeah, so he's on Good Morning Britain.

1:04:47

They're having a debate about whether you

1:04:49

should be allowed to be proud to

1:04:51

be British, or should we be ashamed

1:04:53

to be British, I think is the

1:04:55

name of the segment. And he's obviously

1:04:57

on the side of being proud to

1:04:59

be British, and Ed Ball's is on

1:05:01

there, and a commentator called Narinda Cowa,

1:05:03

and she's talking with Tom Skinner. prior

1:05:05

again the secondary schools because we said

1:05:07

we will not allow the English flag

1:05:09

and St George should be taken by

1:05:11

the far right stop a bigger BMP

1:05:13

thing all of us only in our

1:05:15

community because we were proud to be

1:05:17

English, proud of the flag, proud of

1:05:19

St George, proud of defeating them all

1:05:21

the things you're saying we should be

1:05:23

ashamed of. No, I'm not thinking you'd

1:05:25

just see a change of that. And

1:05:27

I think that was a great thing.

1:05:29

You think those voices are too low?

1:05:31

We need louder voices like that. But

1:05:33

actually, you're playing. You were just laying

1:05:35

into me. No, because the straight argument

1:05:37

you went to is, well, we defeated.

1:05:39

We did. We did. We did. We

1:05:41

did. We did. I'm proud to say

1:05:43

that, yeah, there's a million things, like

1:05:45

there's a million things, like I don't

1:05:47

think that, just because of some, a

1:05:49

few wrong ones that are far right.

1:05:51

majority of people yeah should be able

1:05:53

to be proud of where they come

1:05:56

from now I just want to say

1:05:58

when he's he does say a few

1:06:00

wrongings he specifically refers to the far

1:06:02

writers wrongings I will also say when

1:06:04

he endorses Donald Trump I don't want

1:06:06

to sound patronizing I don't think he's

1:06:08

read that far into his policy on

1:06:10

abortion I don't think he's doing it

1:06:12

because he hates abortion I don't think

1:06:14

he wants women's body to be controlled

1:06:16

by other people right I don't think

1:06:18

he's that bothered by Apart from when

1:06:20

he's in Cancun and then he loves

1:06:22

him. Yeah, me and Palo over here.

1:06:24

We're having a game of dust. The

1:06:26

thing I will say is he's specifically

1:06:28

saying, and I quite like what Ed

1:06:30

Ball said by the way, we actually

1:06:32

have to reclaim some of these symbols

1:06:34

of patriotism from the far right. Yeah.

1:06:36

Funny is he's making that point while

1:06:38

Tom's getting, it's just like, it's a

1:06:40

bit messy, but like, and it's happening

1:06:42

at 7 or 30 in the morning.

1:06:44

My mate Kane, I want to shout

1:06:46

him out, when the BLM movement was

1:06:48

happening, I remember, you might remember, you

1:06:50

know, Black Lives Matter, there was a

1:06:52

lot of protests and demonstrations in London,

1:06:54

and there was a far-right group, a

1:06:56

lot of far-right groups, who came down

1:06:58

to quote unquote defend war statues, bollocks

1:07:00

were there, they were there to try

1:07:02

and create fights with people who were

1:07:04

fighting for a more progressive and less

1:07:06

racist world. And my mate Kane was

1:07:08

like, I'm going to go to the

1:07:10

Black Lives Matter March. And I was

1:07:12

like, I'm going to wear an England

1:07:14

shirt. And I said to him, I

1:07:16

was like, that's fucking stupid. I was

1:07:18

like, you're covered head-to-toned tattoos, you've got

1:07:20

tattoos on your face, you've got a

1:07:22

skinned and a beard. We sound like,

1:07:24

if you listen to me and Kane

1:07:26

speak, we don't sound like we're on

1:07:28

the good side. And people who want

1:07:30

to fight for a better world need

1:07:32

to see. us wearing the English shirts

1:07:34

and they should be allowed to like

1:07:36

it's their shirt as well they're part

1:07:38

of this country and this this this

1:07:40

you know when we champion things like

1:07:42

winning World War two and being a

1:07:44

liberating force for good in the world

1:07:46

just by defeating fascism right earlier on

1:07:48

in this interview I mean he didn't

1:07:50

say any of that she says to

1:07:52

him why are you proud to be

1:07:54

British yeah his exact phrase was because

1:07:56

being British is good like

1:07:58

fish and and cups

1:08:00

of tea, going to

1:08:02

work going to work and

1:08:04

Stonehenge. Be

1:08:10

in English, isn't not about being far, right? Legend,

1:08:12

I'm here with Jake I'm here with Jake

1:08:14

and we love being in

1:08:16

English. We love cup of tea,

1:08:18

love chips. We go to work

1:08:20

and we like of tea, fish and chips,

1:08:22

we go to work, and we like love the

1:08:24

druidic I symbols and rituals of

1:08:26

the deep of rituals of the deep It's

1:08:28

a very difficult thing. difficult done

1:08:30

so long this. We've done

1:08:32

way too long. done way too long. I don't

1:08:35

way know, I don't know. I don't, if I, if it, look... I am wary of

1:08:37

him coming am wary of him coming out and

1:08:39

saying like something objectionable between now and then, coming

1:08:41

now and this coming out. I don't think that's

1:08:43

going to happen. done my homework. I've spoken to

1:08:45

people who who know I've for you stuff. I I can't

1:08:47

see anything nasty. And there might be people

1:08:49

who would listen to this episode and to this you

1:08:52

know what, Tom see anything the very least very

1:08:54

online who would listen only, skinner, coming after only being so kind

1:08:56

like, you're worried he's going to come after you.

1:08:58

like, like, like, like, those people. like, like, like, want to

1:09:00

say that like, nonsense. That would never be the

1:09:02

case. like, Why would like, like, of such a

1:09:04

thing as Tom Skinner coming after like, like Scream

1:09:09

Rock podcast. a very a high chance

1:09:11

chance that in the back of

1:09:13

a van back of a do the and

1:09:15

for a couple of weeks

1:09:17

and fed cat food a you

1:09:19

remember of weeks right cat food if you happen

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but like come alright and that would happen but good

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like your podcast I hope you well

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a happen. And that would happen. So

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we hope we haven't made you look like a like a

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cunt We also hope you haven't seen you haven't the when

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racist in the meantime. And you've walked a bit of a tight road walked a

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bit of a And this one. just want to say it as well,

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And I you are angry to say it as well, the right

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and if you are angry with people on the

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right and you are angry with do that. I'm not well

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within your rights to do that. I'm not saying,

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like, you can't do that. people I'm just saying, can't

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are we going to move forward fold into the folden to someone who

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by the sounds behind the be welcomed into the fold

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as someone who by the sounds of

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things behind the scenes is about love and

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positivity. is about love and positivity. And other than other

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than that if you want a bald sausage dog to

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come round your and get shagged. Do get in

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touch with us. touch with You know where to

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find to find us. We'll see We'll see you at the

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rotis if the podcast is still going going haven't

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deserted like rats from a sinking ship by then.

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a sinking when we talk about easier isn't it? we

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else you want to say? That'll do. else you right,

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to the That will do. All right, up there are tas. Because

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I'm telling you haunted.