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know the the BIC hasn't

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hasn't really changed. since it

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was, I mean, that one's like a I mean,

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that one's like a newer version sort of, I I

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really don't like those. I like the I like orange

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ones. old orange ones.

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Orange you have Did you have those?

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With the blue green caps. right? Caps,

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orange ones. Orange ones. No. Oh,

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we might have to do that look that up.

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Big pencils? Yeah. Yeah. I

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did like the like the pens for

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a while when I was growing

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up, and up and had a

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time also had the time where I really despised

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the left. Yeah, the one that one we

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have here we was clear. mostly

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was clear. think they're you can

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see. No, we have fancy. Now we had

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giving us those. was giving us interesting.

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it's interesting. I loved when I

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was in elementary school and they

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had they had like a whole cabinet, know,

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with two doors. They're kind of

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a utility. a utility. cabinet know,

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you're you're finding like somebody's garage like metal had

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like all of the supplies the

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know like extra erasers and and and

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things would supply teacher those because it was

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it was you know A small

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town small school so they just they just

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give you like a couple

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or a couple pens whatever such

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a treat time get a new eraser you

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get to unwrap your life was very

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simple back then then. old were

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you? you? This was was like grade? eighth grade? I

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don't know know American greens. I don't

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know. I was like I was like eight years

2:45

old. No. Let's get out of here. You're being

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mean to me. I get out of here. You're being

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mean to me like that. I don't understand what

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I've done to you. see? I opened up

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again, again, to headcrads. So you're

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like eight. So eight means you're like

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in like eight means or in like third grade

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or something like that If you want. if

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you So what was in was in

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this cupboard, of this cupboard? cupboard? Oh, it it

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was like, you know, know, notebooks

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and my favorite thing was the, I think thing

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was that I think I

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mentioned that before on the

3:15

podcast years ago, ago, was of

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glue. don't jar of glue? It was

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a jar of glue I

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like a little white container a

3:23

I container with, I think, a twist top? I

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think it was a twist a twist

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top. it came with a mini that

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was black that you would like

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keep on the side keep on you

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would basically spread your glue on

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your paper, you know, and remember

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like, you know, you had to

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like remember, you and glue that in

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your textbook and know, in your was

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very interactive. I it's very interactive. I do, I do

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miss, I do wish that, you

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know, know, like, the kids these days were like

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still like... things with little little and

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use glue and do that. I is on the

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iPad is on the iPad probably. I think in

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schools they still do that in schools.

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No. No, they did. I'm sure. How do

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you know? I've seen videos where teachers talk

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about it. They say like, oh, look at

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these safety sisters. How old was that video?

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That was recent. I mean, it's on Instagram,

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it's recent, you know. How old were the

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kids? Like four years old? No, I'm sure

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it still happens. I'm sure it's less common

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now. Everyone just like here. Oh my kids

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are going to have all kinds of supplies.

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They're going to use. And scissors. I mean

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it wasn't that small, it was like the,

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you know, that's over diameter, maybe like, you

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know, three, three, four inches diameter. Yeah? It

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smelled really good too. But it smelled like

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mince? No, it smelled like vanilla yogurt or

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something, it was very addictive scent. But then

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you know, it was basically white glue, right?

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But just in the parts, then you have

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some on your fingers, and it's kind of

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messy. Yeah. But I much prefer that over,

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like the blue sticks. I really didn't even

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really like the glue sticks. They had like

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the big glue sticks, you know, the smaller

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ones that was purple, the one that was

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white. I don't know, it's always... Oh, the

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glue stick itself was purple? Yeah. Yeah, we

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had those. And it always, like somehow you

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always managed to put it slightly over the

5:05

edge of your paper. So you always had

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glue on your table and then it was,

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you know, turning disgusting and I really hated

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that. I despised glue for that same reason.

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They're just annoying. I'm like, why are this,

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first of all, why are they circular when

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paper is square? Makes those sense. Make it

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a square too. So you can go to

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the edge precisely. Yeah. Because the square corner

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is never getting enough glue, right? So. I

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mean, you would do that thing where then

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you try to hold the paper like. you

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know up off the table and kind of

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like brush the glue on but you can't

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because the glue stick it's a stick it's

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too hard doesn't work or you maybe you

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would like just bend up the edge a

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little bit and kind of like roll it

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on the edge but then the paper would

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cut into the glue now you have this

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blob now you're using your finger which is

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the that's the complete opposite point of having

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a glue stick and then you then

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you put it down

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it doesn't stick because

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the because the glue I hated glue

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you have And kids the another piece of paper

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below, piece of know, below you know over the edge.

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But then you have to remember where

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you went over the edge you if you

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turn your paper to do the other edge,

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your putting glue on the face of your

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paper now, putting just, the face of your paper now it's just a

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always easy to do if you're doing an edge,

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right? But as soon as you get to a

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doing it an edge right but it's more as you get

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to a a circle. a Now you have

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a sheet it's more like a difficult. Yeah and

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the glue and the glue stick have

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have little blub you know that's know you

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when you glue it you have it you have

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a bump afterward on your paper your paper. I

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minutes, know. So I like the so I like

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the them. We did did have the one one,

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but I don't think the glue sticks sticks smelled

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or performed any different. I think purple was

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just just just purple so that you could maybe

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see it when you put it when you I

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didn't I also didn't like I also didn't like

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the the unnatural to me. to

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me. If I I have a yellow square

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of piece of paper, I don't want

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purple on the back of it, even

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though no one's going to see it. back

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disturbing about that. We had giant jars

7:04

of glue when I was in elementary

7:06

school. We Like they were gallon glue buckets

7:08

of glue. school. Like they were We called it,

7:10

I think, of and it was kind

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of like a paste. it, I think, paste. And

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it was kind of like a paste

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substance. Uh, sort of. sort of. so big

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that we were so big during we would

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use them during recess to mark

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the end of a race, for example.

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So if you had to run

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back and forth, you'd use of tub

7:29

of glue, at one end and you know, here

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the one end, And another at the

7:33

other end. And of like of like It

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so very like fresh smelling. So you always have this

7:37

problem of like a kid trying to

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eat the to eat the pace. It's a, but at my

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school, my school, but it's was like

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a common joke in like cinema stuff. If

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you had if you lunch, I could see how you were.

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I could see how you want to eat

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are amazing lunchables you had

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a Have you had a lunchable? No. Well, then,

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then shut shut your mouth know

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what you're talking about. It's just, it's that

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food. What the hell is Oh, we're going

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to You our kids through the fancy

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picnic kids that's not even real food.

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Yeah, no even why food. all obese

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wonder I don't know what that I don't

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know what don't come as chicken come

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as chicken board. What are talking about?

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about? The lunchable, the classic classic you know,

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you have a little cracker. have a you

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very much. you have cheese cheese ham.

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ham, which... your your vegetable?

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No, the No, the lunchables don't come with come I

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don't think. I don't even know

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if they came with fruit, but the

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lunchables were the with then you could the

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lunchables were the great, so right? you cracker like one that's

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the disc of ham, right? and then

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another cracker. that's the disc ham, and

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but. another cracker, that's of cracker,

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to cheese and ham ratio

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didn't feel right, so you do

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a double. feel right, so you do a

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cheese, ham, cracker, cheese, ham, cracker,

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and that was pretty good. was,

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and then the problem was was, the number

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of crackers and pieces of cheese and

8:55

pieces of ham. ham. we're We're not always

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so that you could do only doubles. You'd

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have to like you'd out, maybe I do a

9:01

double, out I do like a single, but

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then I can end up with maybe an

9:05

open end you with open an where it's only one

9:08

one and a piece of cheese and a

9:10

piece of ham on top and that's it. one

9:12

too much ham and cheese. one So in whole

9:14

of cheese and a piece of sounds like a

9:16

suffocating device, there is no moisture,

9:18

there is no whole it's a there

9:20

is no just sounds like a no... But

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the ham is quite moist like there is no

9:24

it's very no slippery

9:26

and liquidity. Yeah, yeah, it

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sounds fantastic. So It's the

9:31

best. fantastic. And so, if you the best. were

9:33

a kid you had a kid and you

9:35

had Lunchables for lunch, your it means your

9:37

family was doing pretty well. You know

9:39

your not care for your health. not care for

9:41

your health. But it wasn't perceived.

9:43

I don't know know if then

9:45

parents of that of that generation about the

9:47

about the nutrition of the meals for

9:49

kids. I think we talked I think we

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talked about this on a recording before,

9:54

before like it wasn't. I have to ask to

9:56

ask my parents, I don't think it

9:58

was it was a thing, like pizza pizza time. Fine, you

10:00

know, french fries and pizza for lunch,

10:02

chicken McNuttix, corn and sodas. You don't

10:05

have vegetables as a kid? At home

10:07

at dinner, that's always a thing, eat

10:09

your vegetables, but at school for lunch,

10:11

I mean lunchables again, that was like

10:13

the premium lunch right there. Yeah. Are

10:16

you very easy? Some other kids had

10:18

lunchables. The non-cool kids did not have

10:20

lunchables. But how many lunchables do you

10:22

need to feel full? Just one? Oh.

10:25

But now that I see it, it

10:27

did sound like a lot of food.

10:29

I mean, I've seen their packets and

10:31

I'm like, how is that considered a

10:34

meal? Well, this is the same size

10:36

as a snack they give you on

10:38

the airplane for like a 45 minute

10:40

flight. So probably came, you get, you

10:42

know, your brown bag, you get your

10:45

lunchables and maybe an apple and like

10:47

a capri-son. Yeah, that sounds about right.

10:49

Yeah, yeah, wow. Yeah. What did you

10:51

have? I was eating a chocolate tea

10:54

and whatever. Oh yeah, what was there?

10:56

Oh, not great. You know, we had

10:58

like the eggs with Mayo, which I

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never really liked. I always put that

11:02

stupid like piece of letters on it

11:05

to make it look fancy. So you

11:07

can't skip the letters first of all.

11:09

Nobody's gonna eat it because we know

11:11

it's for the court. It's not even

11:14

good letters. Yeah. And also it's not

11:16

making it look fancier. It just makes

11:18

it even more lonely. Oh, they get

11:20

it in half and they put like

11:22

a little like twist of Mayo on

11:25

top, you know. Oh, okay. But they

11:27

taste like kind of like chewy and

11:29

yeah, you know, there is no like,

11:31

there's no paprika on it, there is

11:34

no salt and pepper, it's just like

11:36

a bland egg and Mayo. So, that's

11:38

sad. The mashed potatoes, I've never really

11:40

like, it was always too liquidy. I

11:42

like my mashed potato to be very

11:45

chunky and sick. There was always too

11:47

pale and too pale and too liquidity,

11:49

so not my thing. I don't remember

11:51

where we had as far as meat

11:54

or whatever. Did you do a lot

11:56

of- But it was never anything tasty.

11:58

I mean, it was just- like food,

12:00

you know, really low salt. Yeah, so

12:02

the pretty good compared to that.

12:05

I don't know, it sounds like

12:07

I would just be comparison to that. I don't

12:09

know, it Yeah, absolutely I thirsty, you're

12:11

quenched, that's why you have your

12:13

capri Thirsty? Yeah, absolutely. You're

12:15

the apple was, it's just,

12:17

the apple was there

12:19

for decoration, I have your Capri Sun. Very

12:22

good. Then the apple know, you take one

12:24

bite and you're like, well, this is kind of pointless. was there for

12:26

kind of apple the green No, yellow one They're

12:28

always red. red. Oh really? Yeah. I didn't

12:30

know know that there were different types of apples

12:32

until much later in life. I think

12:34

as a kid life. I eating

12:37

green apples. preferred eating green apples.

12:39

Oh the tangy sour Granny

12:41

Smith Branny Smith? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My I don't think

12:43

don't think I was very

12:45

much into red apple and my grandma told

12:48

you always pies with yellow

12:50

apples. with yellow apples which I

12:52

I never yellow apples. Yeah.

12:54

And she was always waiting until

12:56

they were said to use them, to use

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them. Yeah. They turned spots on them and

13:01

I had brown spots on you do a lot of arts

13:03

and crafts when you were in school? you do kind of arts and

13:05

crafts? and crafts when you were in

13:07

school? Like what a story and crafts? Oh

13:09

my story, but it makes me

13:11

laugh, so I'll say it. not my

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story, but it makes me laugh, so I'll say it. So, my

13:15

dad, this is my dad's story. story.

13:17

I guess when he was a

13:20

kid, he went to Bible school a

13:22

few Sundays, and in

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Bible school, they were tasked

13:26

with coloring, because they were little

13:28

kids kids coloring you know pre-drawn

13:30

outline pictures of scenes

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from the Bible. and one of

13:35

them, I guess, had

13:37

Jesus and and some goats he refused

13:39

to paint paint and the goats

13:41

because from his view from a

13:43

kid view as a kid well Jesus is white

13:45

he's wearing a white robe, and

13:48

and there are around him around him,

13:50

which are also white. from from

13:52

his hair, his sandals,

13:54

sheep's face being black which face being

13:56

black, which was already filled in. There's

13:58

nothing to color. so he sat there. in silence,

14:00

refusing to color this image of Jesus

14:02

and sheep, and the teacher was so

14:04

furious that he refused to do it,

14:07

and he refused to do it. He

14:09

also, I think, had a similar story

14:11

about, maybe it was me, I forget,

14:13

coloring in grapes with big crayons. I

14:15

was too difficult to do. It seemed

14:17

impractical to color in small grape-sized, you

14:19

know, coloring areas with a big fat

14:21

crayola, like the ones we had when

14:24

we were a kindergarten were like half

14:26

an inch diameter diameter. Wow. Also refused,

14:28

got in trouble. I don't think I've

14:30

ever used those. Really? We only had

14:32

the small ones. Like the ones that

14:34

are like that size? The size of

14:36

a pen? Yeah. Like the thin ones?

14:38

Yeah, what? They're hard for the length

14:41

of that pen. Like a cigarette size.

14:43

Like a cigarette size? Yeah. You never

14:45

had the big fat ones? I don't

14:47

think so. Wow. Yeah. You guys are

14:49

living on the edge in France. The

14:51

really fat ones, the same thing with

14:53

the same thing with the markets. With

14:55

the markets. With the markets. The markets.

14:58

The markers. The markers. The markers. The

15:00

markers. The markers. The markers. The markers.

15:02

The markets. The markers. The markers. The

15:04

markers. How did I say that? I

15:06

mean, you're like seven years old. They're

15:08

going to choke on lunchable. So do

15:10

it, you know. If you're seven years

15:13

old, you're choking on a crayle, then,

15:15

you know. Yeah, well, the problems in

15:17

your life. I think there's other issues

15:19

there. Why are you eating crayolas? But

15:21

there's kids eating pace from a big

15:23

jar, so what do you know? Because

15:25

they didn't want kids to eat the

15:27

pace, they should have not. scented it

15:30

so it smelled like a commentos. Well

15:32

they shouldn't make it such big jars

15:34

either. That's true. To make it small

15:36

tubes. That's true. That really like doing

15:38

crafts in school. It was always something

15:40

I enjoy. We made, we made musical

15:42

instruments with like yoga, you know, pots

15:44

and things, noodles, pastas and yarn and

15:47

straws and all kinds of very creative

15:49

things. Wait, wait, was this a school

15:51

exercise? It sounds like there is you

15:53

and some... maybe imaginary friend making random

15:55

stuff and then and get

15:57

musical instruments. No,

15:59

probably in like No,

16:02

before elementary school? like what,

16:04

before you know. school,

16:06

what kind young, you know. kind of musical

16:08

kind making out of of musical insurance

16:10

you're and make out of pasta and

16:12

yoga? I don't know if things you

16:14

of shake and make make sounds. Like

16:17

open Sort of a moracas with, yeah, but

16:19

open, open-ended. So it's a all

16:21

stuff comes shake it that all stuff comes of

16:23

like we then we had a straw

16:25

to hold it then we then here I

16:27

think we hold it. of and we have noodles

16:29

the end and we'll just shake it

16:31

and it would make make sound. Oh, like macaroni.

16:33

Yeah. Oh, I thought I was imagining strands of like

16:35

I Oh, it was imagining

16:37

strands of imagine France noodles is new. It's the same as,

16:39

it's how we call macaroni. We don't say macaroni in French. We say

16:42

newi. Well, I the same as know, a how

16:44

we call macaroni We don't say

16:46

macaroni in or We see or France or France

16:48

I was or you know, a yogurt jar, or

16:50

yogurt or France or a glass a lot of lot

16:52

of I was imagining of a small glass

16:54

jar, like a mason jar. of a lot of times. And

16:56

you said said so I imagine you

16:58

put the broken up spaghetti in

17:00

there the shake it once. up is this?

17:03

This is why there and you shake it add

17:05

a band around this? of is why also,

17:07

decorated So I all of that That was

17:09

good fun It's gonna be

17:11

fun. the put strings attached? it would

17:13

you make holes on the side of the... and The

17:16

of jar You know, it's It's

17:18

a plastic It's good fun. How

17:20

are the okay. Because we had a,

17:22

we had Oh, you make holes. I

17:24

think we had a choir at my

17:27

school because we we would like do a little, know,

17:29

like a little Expecticles at the end of the year,

17:31

so we would learn songs learn songs different out

17:33

different songs and perform at the end

17:35

of the year songs stage that we would

17:37

put up in the recess area and have

17:39

the parents come and sit in the

17:41

sun for a couple of hours. Do you

17:43

remember those songs? the parents come and sit

17:45

in the sun for a couple a

17:47

few in English remember the songs? No, there's

17:50

a few in English actually. Really.

17:52

Yeah. it was good fun. good fun. Those two two

17:54

pictures of those is always funny. I

17:56

remember my my sister my sister would

17:58

always look awkward. awkward like

18:00

stand on like the side of

18:03

the you know of the stage

18:05

and always look like kind of

18:07

like bored and awkward. We would

18:09

do the same thing I think

18:12

it's pretty common. One of the

18:14

songs we sang was the 50

18:16

United States in alphabetical order but

18:18

it's made into a song. Yeah

18:21

life was much simpler back then

18:23

that's for sure. The problem we

18:25

had was the size of crayons

18:27

and this glue which everyone was

18:30

addicted to one way or the

18:32

other. Now it's a bit more

18:34

strange out there. So the little

18:37

Morocco thing you drew makes sense

18:39

now. You glued a stick to

18:41

the bottom of the yogurt container,

18:43

which is plastic. You have string

18:46

hanging out from it. We used

18:48

a plastic straw. A plastic straw?

18:50

It didn't last very long though,

18:52

did it then? You have to

18:55

be gentle with your markers. Yeah.

18:57

We did a box, a jury

18:59

box with what you call it

19:01

popsicle sticks, you know, where you

19:04

like glue them, oh terrible drawing,

19:06

do them like that, just do

19:08

layers and layers. Yeah, yeah, Christmas.

19:10

Yeah, and then you decorate it.

19:13

I think I lost mine. I

19:15

never knew what happened to it,

19:17

I was so bumped. Well, according

19:19

to Kelly Werson, that's the first

19:22

step to becoming an interior designer.

19:24

Yeah, see? To be careful, people

19:26

work with her. I'm like, I

19:28

don't care. I don't care. I

19:31

don't care. I don't care her,

19:33

you work with her. I don't

19:35

care who I work with either.

19:37

Like, that's ridiculous. What are you

19:40

saying? What are you saying right

19:42

now? Like, did he want to

19:44

preview this before I went out

19:46

to the world? It's so bad.

19:49

It's so horrible. Speaking of other

19:51

things that annoy me, we went

19:53

to the Griffith Observatory, which was

19:55

really cool. Hadn't been there in

19:58

a long time. Oh yeah, I

20:00

forgot about it. Not as big

20:02

on the inside as you as you think, right? You

20:04

see see photos the movies, yeah, looks like

20:06

a really big structure, but it's

20:08

not but it's not. Yeah. That camera man,

20:10

it just gives pounds

20:13

to buildings. buildings. Buildings do do

20:15

always look smaller in person. So

20:17

we went there. I think they we went

20:19

there. first time I exactly down, had the

20:21

first time I walked down the financial district

20:23

in New York and I looked up was

20:25

like, like, ah, those are smaller than I thought thought. Yeah.

20:27

That was a while ago when we

20:29

went to the Griffith - to the Griffiths, Griffith,

20:32

Griffith, Griffith, Griffith, It

20:34

was this weird

20:36

word. Observatory. I

20:38

don't know know what we did. think we just kind of

20:40

hung around. We saw a show. of hung have

20:42

like we saw a show, they have like a

20:45

show, which is a show, which is like a...

20:47

dome structure you sit inside of sit

20:49

inside guess project all over the over is

20:51

i was of like a 360 sort of degree

20:53

of degree experience and then you just kind

20:56

of hang out walk you just kind of

20:58

hang out, walk around and see

21:00

some of the small exhibit display

21:02

and about the and meteors and guess we're wondering the

21:04

guess we went during the day, the thing to do is to go

21:06

at night to actually be able to look at the stars, the stars but

21:08

Yeah, Yeah, that's true. to actually actually observe

21:10

things from the observatory. Yeah, that

21:12

would have made more sense. made more sense But

21:14

so we go to the show and it's

21:16

called called like The Essence the essence of

21:18

life or something like that. Actually,

21:21

it might have been the essence of

21:23

life, something generic. I think so, life

21:25

something generic So a good 45 minutes or

21:27

so. again they again, they project all

21:29

over this dome. in these kind sit in

21:31

these kind of seats that seats that are

21:33

back back because you're basically looking looking up

21:36

There's a soundtrack there's a live a

21:38

with a mic with a he

21:40

does he does a performance for 45

21:42

good. 45 minutes he's talking for

21:44

45 minutes straight about the narrative

21:46

of this and that of this and

21:48

that and She was an an older I was actually

21:50

wondering I'm like wondering I'm like

21:52

He wasn't like he was just

21:54

purely narrating, and I'm like,

21:57

did you I'm this whole

21:59

script? script? or do you have

22:01

somebody in your ear telling you what

22:03

to say? I'm sure he memorizes. That

22:05

was impressive, but it was cool because

22:08

it was narrating, but acting as he

22:10

was narrating. So it was actually very

22:12

lively narration. It wasn't like a boring,

22:15

I'm sitting at a lecture hall for

22:17

two hours listening to this guy go

22:19

on and on. Yeah, and it also

22:21

wasn't too over the top where it's,

22:24

for me at least, sometimes these folks

22:26

are, they're too. Too much. It's like,

22:28

yeah, yeah, don't make this more than

22:30

what it is. So I think he

22:33

did great. And the show, as a

22:35

whole, was also really cool. I mean,

22:37

it was worthwhile. Of course, sitting in

22:40

the audience, and it's pitch black in

22:42

that space, except for the screen. And

22:44

of course, they tell you everyone, no

22:46

phones, no this and that. And they

22:49

have, what do they call them? Not

22:51

show furs. What are the chaperones? And

22:53

as the lights turn off, of course,

22:56

there's like maybe half a dozen people

22:58

still on their phone or their watches

23:00

or whatever, and they actually shine a

23:02

really bright red light on them and

23:05

say, hey, you got to turn that

23:07

off. And then slowly over the course

23:09

of a few minutes, all the red

23:12

lights go away and everyone turns off

23:14

their phones. We're like 20 minutes into

23:16

this performance, right? We're in the middle

23:18

of it's happening. The people in front

23:21

of us, this couple, we probably... older

23:23

than us, middle age, heavier set if

23:25

that matters. The guy gets a phone

23:28

call, of course everyone has like an

23:30

iPhone, so it's not like a flip

23:32

phone with a small screen, it's a

23:34

giant screen. He answers the phone, starts

23:37

talking on it in Spanish, and then

23:39

hands the phone to the wife, and

23:41

then she proceeds to have, I want

23:44

to say, she was probably on the

23:46

phone for a couple minutes. which is

23:48

a long time to be in the

23:50

theater. No one else is talking. No

23:53

one's applauding. No one's laughing. It's just

23:55

silence except for the orator. And now...

23:57

this woman on the

24:00

phone the phone and so I was

24:02

I told them stop like told

24:04

they didn't so I had to stop that.

24:06

They didn't. just So I had to

24:08

kick their seat, the problem was they shut up. to And

24:10

the problem was they were loud enough to as well

24:12

as the orator hear them they as well as

24:15

the then the thing ends and I say hey so know they turn off

24:17

the phone, go the thing ends and I say, middle

24:19

you know, you shouldn't go on your phone in

24:21

the middle of the performance because they gave me

24:23

eye afterwards of course. who was this who was this person

24:25

who asked me to turn off my phone and

24:27

kick my seat? seat. I kicked their seat I was getting

24:29

annoyed. I'm annoyed. I'm trying to be, to be

24:31

know, enjoying this experience. I paid for my

24:33

ticket pay I would like to see here. I

24:35

would here for the gave here

24:37

a verbal them an a verbal request

24:39

warning stop. didn't do that. that. I I

24:42

think kicked their seatboard more, was a nudge and they

24:44

felt it it didn't do anything. So So then

24:46

I fucking kicked their seat and you know, turn off the

24:48

phone. Then then I have, we have the phone. with them have

24:50

this conversation with them afterwards you all exiting

24:52

because you stand up and you wait

24:54

for other people to exit, right? I'm like, you

24:56

And I'm like, you shouldn't be on your

24:58

phone in the middle of this performance

25:00

and they asked everyone to turn off their

25:02

phones and you guys were on a

25:04

phone call call. to someone else for two

25:06

minutes and I can I other person on

25:09

the phone talking to you. the phone that guy

25:11

was you and the the call. I said, well, then you step

25:13

outside. to take says, I said I didn't want to step outside you.

25:15

So I have to step outside to take the call. I

25:17

like want to step outside you so

25:19

I just couldn't comprehend that what they did

25:21

was was I'm like yes and was getting so

25:23

annoyed. I'm like dude No, that what they did why

25:25

do I need to go outside, why don't

25:27

you go outside? so annoyed I'm like

25:29

why do I think to go outside why

25:31

don't you go outside oh yeah But here for the

25:33

show. This is what the show happens. show

25:35

You need to take a call a call.

25:38

Therefore, I need to stay to do the

25:40

show. show and you you could go out

25:42

to do your call, but you're asking

25:44

me to leave? That That doesn't make

25:46

any sense, does it? sense, no sense at

25:48

all. no And that's why I said to him, I

25:50

said, well, as an emergency, which he didn't have an

25:52

answer because it probably wasn't an emergency, but he said

25:54

we had to take the call. I'm like, well,

25:56

if it was, an was but he said that you had to

25:59

take the call. then you step outside. When

26:01

adult, you fucking, but he just, he, I

26:03

was amazed that he just didn't understand. He like,

26:05

what the words that we were saying, he

26:07

understood them, but he didn't understand the idea behind

26:09

it. He's like, well, why wouldn't you step

26:11

outside? Like, okay. So then I stopped talking. Like,

26:13

that's it. It's pointless to talk to you.

26:15

This is why I don't talk to people out

26:17

in public. This is why I don't bother

26:19

to listen to, to the comments and stuff. Like,

26:21

cause people say stupid things. I'm like, I

26:23

don't know what to say to this. Like. So

26:26

yeah, how about everybody in room just starts

26:28

taking a phone call? know it's ridiculous. But like

26:30

literally taking a full phone call in the

26:32

middle of the thing. And it wasn't just us

26:34

who could hear him. The people in front

26:36

of them for sure could hear them even louder.

26:38

I'm like, what are you doing? If

26:41

he answered it, it was like 10 seconds quick

26:43

chat to understand what's going on, saying I gotta go.

26:45

Then I'd be like, that was stupid. But okay,

26:47

fine. But he passed the phone to someone else. I

26:49

was like, well, there's a fucking family event. Now

26:51

you guys are all talking to each other. Put them

26:53

on speaker phone then. I mean, if you're going

26:55

to do it, then do it. You know what I

26:57

mean? But I'm thinking

26:59

too, like if I have the person on

27:01

the phone, on the other side of

27:03

the phone, I'm probably hearing someone in the

27:05

background talking about the essence of life

27:07

or whatever and like. The galaxy. What is

27:10

going on in the background? Yeah, don't

27:12

worry about it. I'm in the middle of

27:14

reforms right now. It's fine. I'm in

27:16

a planetarium with like 150 people in there.

27:18

But you know, don't worry. Incredibly rude.

27:20

So yeah, again, you know, I. I think

27:22

I told him, are you stupid? He

27:25

is, he is stupid. I mean, he was like,

27:27

where would you go? I'm like, are you stupid? But

27:31

that's the problem. like, I don't, I

27:33

don't know how to like respond person like

27:35

that. If you don't understand, you know,

27:37

and then again, like these people have the

27:39

same ability to go and make decisions

27:41

and have and raise other people. I'm like,

27:43

this is crazy. Like you should. Again,

27:46

I always imagined this when I was, when

27:48

I'm driving and it's going to apply

27:50

when I'm in theaters too. I have a

27:52

pencil with an eraser on the end,

27:54

but I can hold that pencil close to

27:56

my face and then just erase the

27:58

people in the distance who don't deserve to

28:00

be around here. and these two people who

28:02

decided to take phone calls in the

28:04

middle calls in the middle of performance, just gone. You should

28:06

take a photo with your

28:08

iPhone and then go then go

28:11

home when you're done at

28:13

do the you're done and do the AI scene

28:15

where you're circle and keep removed. It's bananas. I

28:17

don't, I really really don't understand. But

28:19

the observatory was... It was cool. cool. that that

28:21

show was really think and I think was

28:23

really cool. observatory cool was finding

28:25

parking there. It I don't know

28:27

why. They make it so confusing.

28:29

why. They make it so confusing. It's like arrow signs

28:32

and then you go down the hill

28:34

of the down the hill of the parking on

28:36

the edge of the road the edge

28:38

then road to that that is parking at

28:40

the top at the top walk away from

28:42

the entrance the that's not really really mean

28:44

I mean have to pay a little

28:46

bit but it's not like you know

28:48

you know. incredible amount But the other

28:50

spots, too, too that were like a good 15-minute walk walk

28:52

were metered. So I know. I don't know if they were trying to

28:54

don't know if they were trying to

28:56

just disperse people, big but, fat a big,

28:58

fat sign saying that way and parking 20 way,

29:00

and then you drive 20 minutes down

29:02

the hill, and you're like, okay, I'm

29:04

not going to walk up this massive

29:06

hillside. are walking up up with kids middle

29:09

of the sun like, I'm like what? Meanwhile there's

29:11

a a nice flat asphalt parking

29:13

lot directly in front of the

29:15

observatory that that a bunch of a bunch

29:17

of spaces. So where we where we put. That's

29:19

but it was cool, it was But it

29:21

was cool. It was cool. Yeah, it

29:23

of kind of nice to like look at

29:25

the city, you know, from the top. the

29:28

top. know, it's always cool to have those

29:30

kind of vantage to have those kind of So that

29:32

was nice. points. So that was nice. So

29:34

we can we can check that off our list.

29:36

That was my personal list that had

29:38

never been before. Oh, really? before.

29:40

Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't I

29:42

mean, wouldn't mind going back at night. at

29:45

night. Yeah. Not that stars, but

29:47

two why not? but I mean, why

29:49

not? Yeah, stars. Whatever. I very

29:51

much enjoy the show, very much enjoyed

29:53

the show, though, because, again,

29:56

it was kind documentaries. I

29:58

I like documentaries in to be in the mood. for

30:00

documentaries and it also depends what kind

30:02

of documentaries but I like understanding like

30:04

the world and like the existence of

30:07

things and you know like all of

30:09

this stuff so I felt like I

30:11

learned a lot doing that that little

30:13

show which was pretty cool yeah yeah

30:16

I think I asked this question when

30:18

we were there because the observatory has

30:20

a museum component to it and it's

30:23

all about space and therefore the timeline

30:25

of the universe and earth and the

30:27

sun and all of this stuff and

30:29

it's really really fascinating. What if you're

30:32

a Christian so do you walk through

30:34

the observatory and be like yeah not

30:36

true like are you just bored because

30:39

it must it must look like do

30:41

you perceive all this information as science

30:43

fiction therefore do you just think like

30:45

this is Disneyland ah it's entertainment I

30:48

don't know if all Christians are you

30:50

know necessarily against Some of the science,

30:52

I mean, I think it's hard to

30:54

deny that, you know, some of the

30:57

things that you can't. I'm not. I'm

30:59

not necessarily judging. I'm just curious because

31:01

it's, you know, for me, for most

31:04

people, probably, you're like, wow, it's amazing.

31:06

The moon is this old and the

31:08

moon happened because of this, whatever thing

31:10

that took place and there's a big

31:13

asteroid and things exploded, but if like

31:15

you believe that. God created Earth in

31:17

seven days or whatever it was like

31:19

do you just like does it not?

31:22

What does it do for you? Is

31:24

I eating like food that has no

31:26

taste like what is it? What is

31:29

the point of even going to a

31:31

museum like that? Yeah, I don't know

31:33

the natural history museum like these are

31:35

just like I don't know if there's

31:38

a Christian out there who can tell

31:40

me what they think. Yeah, that would

31:42

be helpful But I remember watching that

31:45

show in the planetarium It

31:47

just made me it always makes me very excited because I'm like,

31:49

oh my god, we just discovered you know, like we just discovered

31:51

there is more I mean, we haven't like we have we've known

31:53

that for a while, but I was just just reminded

31:55

and I feel like I feel like super

31:57

excited afterwards because I'm like, like Oh

31:59

yes, there is a lot more there, you

32:01

know, and then I'm kind of

32:04

confused of I'm kind of like wow

32:06

because but I'm never gonna see

32:08

that, you know, and then I'm

32:10

kind of freaked out because I'm

32:12

like, what's the point? What's the

32:14

point of what we're doing right

32:16

now? Like we know there is

32:18

so much more out there What

32:20

is the point of the know waking

32:22

up at 9 every day and

32:24

starting work and doing we know there so

32:27

like more ourselves to do is is

32:29

the meaning of, you like waking up know

32:31

then I have all of this big

32:33

existential question I'm like oh, I I don't

32:35

think I should have watched this watched

32:37

show I think it's it's too much. So really

32:39

had an impact on you, it sounds like. on

32:41

you, it did you not notice? Did you

32:43

not mean, I don't know. For me,

32:45

my guess For me, I'm pretty interesting. is pretty

32:47

interesting. But yeah, doesn't

32:50

really doesn't really I gotta do

32:52

tomorrow. do tomorrow. No, but that's the thing.

32:54

It's the juxtaposition of all of

32:56

that knowledge, all of those things

32:58

beyond where we can comprehend. where we

33:00

can but then But then...

33:02

being living in the reality we're living

33:04

in living there is a there is a, that's

33:06

where it kind of like confuses my brand

33:09

and makes me kind of and It's like, me

33:11

what, of lost. you know? what, you know?

33:13

Are you able to channel that energy you

33:15

able to channel that energy into

33:17

something productive or you just stay confused?

33:19

I just too confused. Yeah. But I

33:21

mean, that's the cool part of I

33:23

mean, that's the cool part of it, right?

33:25

That's the whole point of these of these place,

33:28

these, um. these, yeah, these places, yeah, these places, especially

33:30

for kids, is to get them excited and

33:32

down and to ask get them confused, them know,

33:34

and go do something. go do and then that's

33:36

it. then that's it. Yeah, goes sniff some glue,

33:38

eat some glue and some stars, then you know,

33:40

do something. the stars, you know, do have to

33:42

say, I do love museums in

33:45

general. That's one thing that I one thing

33:47

that I I wish there lot

33:49

more good ones. ones. I feel

33:51

like, I feel like I feel like museums in

33:53

France, there is a lot. a lot. And there is also

33:55

things are more that are more historical you

33:57

you could go to you know like that.

34:00

feel like here it's California I mean

34:02

California is probably better than like I

34:04

don't know Idaho for museums but you

34:06

know I feel like why are you

34:08

picking on Idaho well how besides potatoes

34:10

I don't know what's there I don't

34:13

know either oh I'm sure there is

34:15

a good one but I wish there

34:17

was more more museums yeah you know

34:19

I feel like we went to the

34:21

car museum what you think of that

34:23

the car museum was cool but did

34:26

you know in some ways I

34:29

like museums that present things that are

34:31

nice, you know, like art museums and

34:34

stuff like that. But I think maybe

34:36

the kind of museum I prefer all

34:38

the kinds that explain stuff. Okay. You

34:40

know, like, like, or like, like a

34:42

museum of natural history, or like the

34:45

planetarium, or like... If the car museum

34:47

had a car that was like exploded

34:49

into the million pieces and makes a

34:51

car and like was actually showing me

34:54

how a car is I think I'd

34:56

just like to understand things versus just

34:58

seeing nice stuff I mean I like

35:00

seeing nice stuff because you know I'm

35:02

in the design field so I have

35:05

a sensibility for that but I think

35:07

the other side of my brain wants

35:09

to understand what's behind it you know

35:11

so I yeah the car museum was

35:14

really cool I mean we got to

35:16

I think my favorite part was to

35:18

see the different, the evolution of cars

35:20

again in the way of like understanding

35:22

cars, not just like, oh, you know,

35:25

the last 10 years, here's the nice,

35:27

the 10 coolest car that we've been

35:29

doing. It's more like, okay, this was

35:31

the first car, okay, and this is

35:34

like the latest one, and like, what

35:36

happened in between, you know, it's pretty

35:38

fascinating. So that was cool, you know,

35:40

it's always cool. I really like cars

35:43

because of the level of details and

35:45

intricacy and unexpected and flashiness to be

35:47

honest because it's not the type of

35:49

car you see in the streets. So

35:51

I had fun, that was cool. Yeah,

35:54

the car. The cars changed

35:56

a lot a time.

35:58

The engineering aspect of

36:00

the vehicles is the

36:03

remarkable. is What was

36:05

your favorite car? What

36:08

was your weird ones. car? The

36:10

weird have to say, the one

36:12

that I was very impressed with impressed with

36:14

was I think it was Rolls -Royce. Rolls

36:17

Roy, I think it the scale Royce.

36:19

Yeah. By the scale of it. I felt

36:21

felt so small. a not a small

36:23

person, but I felt so small

36:25

next to this car. scar. And it

36:27

it just kind of like made me think

36:29

about cars about cars in different ways

36:31

just because of the scale. of the scale. And

36:34

also was very austere and kind of

36:36

scary and kind of was kind of

36:38

a feeling I don't think I've ever

36:40

felt about cars before. I've ever

36:42

felt about kind of an unexpected

36:45

thing. kind of an

36:47

unexpected thing. So that was probably

36:49

the one that the one that me the

36:51

most. the most. Yeah, was huge. I don't know

36:53

how long it was, but it had

36:55

the side door. the side door. I mean, mean,

36:57

the doors were almost a perfect

36:59

circle. was a was a full circle. which is

37:01

really really remarkable to see in

37:03

the elevation of a car.

37:05

of a car. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I

37:07

mean, it's weird, the through the

37:09

and there's all these varieties

37:11

and different shapes and sizes, shapes

37:13

and and sizes one -seaters, three -seaters,

37:15

four -seaters, three -wheels, four -wheels,

37:17

and trim, no -trim, big headlights,

37:19

no-trim, big headlights, fins, like all this like variety.

37:22

And you would kind of You would kind

37:24

of imagine the same thing could happen for houses. houses.

37:26

or should happen for houses at least. at that

37:28

intense that mean it is a museum

37:30

so we're seeing like a lot of

37:32

different type of stuff they even had

37:34

like cars from type of stuff. the had like pretty

37:37

remarkable movies that the back to

37:39

the future car. pretty remarkable to say. The

37:41

Back to the Future car. Yeah, it's They

37:43

also had on their first

37:45

level They also had on the first bunch of

37:47

cars that were done by, by,

37:49

I don't know what you call

37:51

them, them. Mexican. car artist folks. I don't know, there's um,

37:53

I a know, there's probably a phrase

37:55

for it, but have that have hydraulics,

37:57

but also ones that are purely show

37:59

car. So they have I guess etched

38:01

or carved on the entire face of

38:04

the vehicle and the underside of the

38:06

vehicle so there's a mirror it sits

38:08

on a mirror so you can see

38:10

the full underside and all the the

38:12

mechanical components all the engine every pipe

38:14

has been engraved to have a decorative

38:17

floral whatever pattern and it's all chromed

38:19

like every square inch has been engraved.

38:21

It was crazy. I don't think I've

38:23

ever seen anything like that before. The

38:25

amount of hours spent making that, you

38:27

know. And the, like the density of

38:30

the detail and the, the fact that

38:32

the detail is, is, is everywhere. Every

38:34

single surface was, was, was something, there

38:36

wasn't any blank surface. Personally, a little

38:38

bit overwhelming, but as a, just as

38:40

an artifact, right? Pretty, pretty, pretty remarkable.

38:43

I don't know why in that culture

38:45

or in that art form there's always

38:47

a airbrush airbrush paint like mural of

38:49

a baby always dedicated to you know

38:51

someone there's a baby and there's a

38:53

woman with big boobs that's always the

38:56

case it's what's important to guys yeah

38:58

babies and big boobs yeah and cars

39:00

let's hit it more than one yeah

39:02

Pretty impressive. There was one car on

39:04

that floor that was like the Vegas,

39:06

that's Vegas car. That was really cool.

39:09

There's like a roulette and there was

39:11

a slot machine in the trunk and

39:13

just kind of like a really like

39:15

an old piece car, you know, that

39:17

was really old out there. That was

39:19

pretty fun. The museum was expensive to

39:22

go to go to them. Or actually,

39:24

no, it wasn't. It was like 20

39:26

bucks, something like that. But then if

39:28

you buy like the... the next tier

39:30

of ticket to see their basement or

39:32

whatever they call the vault. The vault,

39:35

yeah. Where they have a bunch of

39:37

other cars is like another $40 or

39:39

$3 or something. Kind of expensive just

39:41

to go see cars. And then in

39:43

the vault, they have, I don't know,

39:45

probably hundreds of vehicles, which was... cool,

39:48

but a but a

39:50

lot of them don't

39:52

have plaques, and

39:54

they're just stacked up

39:56

next to each

39:58

other. So it's literally

40:01

just a garage

40:03

full of cars just a

40:05

garage full of cars. And it's

40:07

interesting, but also I

40:09

don't know, know, if a car enthusiast is

40:11

probably it's the extra worth the or not.

40:13

$35 if you're not. but at that point,

40:16

you just go to the just go

40:18

show and see them outside see them

40:20

free you know, for free time time selfies next

40:22

to them to them in the the sunlight.

40:24

Yeah, that's one thing I'm one thing I'm

40:26

looking forward with having kids one

40:28

day kids one day to museums. museums. to learn

40:30

stuff. Why would you not do

40:32

that now? would you not do that now? no

40:34

time to do it. that have

40:36

no time have to have more time.

40:38

You know, we'll have to have more time,

40:40

you know, because they need to learn

40:43

stuff, but need to think kids are excited by

40:45

museums in general is another thing aren't they

40:47

like bored with museums? by museums

40:49

Like, ah, I want to go to Chuck that

40:51

eat pizza. they That's what I

40:53

would have said. with museums? my kid

40:55

when I go to Chuck E. Cheese,

40:57

no lunchables. No

41:00

glue sticks. Okay, okay, what what

41:02

kind of of art? No, but you

41:04

know you know, don't they have

41:06

like museums for like like science museum to learn

41:08

stuff to learn stuff and and try think we

41:10

were talking about this. we're talking about this. only thing

41:12

thing the I'm not super excited about with

41:14

those things is the germs with those things

41:16

is the kids So just know put their

41:18

hands to their put their their boogers, they

41:20

touch their their whatever else and butt and

41:23

whatever else things and then the next

41:25

kid after that does the same thing

41:27

and it's after that does same thing and it's the same

41:29

of mom who has same a pack

41:31

of 150 wipes on her wiped swiped

41:33

I probably would everything. inside

41:35

of probably would not go

41:37

inside of those the science. I know what you're

41:39

talking I know what you're talking

41:42

about, right? have, have, reason for

41:44

some reason or like display box pit of sand.

41:46

Somehow, I know why of sand. sand.

41:49

Either I don't know why a always sand.

41:51

Mars or it's like a display of Mars

41:53

always sand There's always sand involved. always There's

41:55

always kids playing in the sand and

41:57

it's just like layers of spit of spit and

41:59

gung. and then spit and gunk until

42:01

it forms a pace. And they make

42:04

sand castles out of it. And I'm

42:06

gonna drop the, you know, the kid

42:08

can go there, but I'm not going

42:11

inside that place. It's disgusting. It just

42:13

kind of looks like a giant litter,

42:15

you know? Yeah, now that's basically what

42:17

it is. And there's always some kid

42:20

who's not behaving and hogging the rover,

42:22

you know. I just, I don't know.

42:24

It's like, it's like water parks. It's

42:27

gross gross me out. What, apparently the

42:29

smell of chlorine. You know the smell

42:31

of chlorine from pools? I do, yeah.

42:33

Yeah. Yeah, I grew up in a

42:36

world that had chlorine in their pools.

42:38

Sometimes questions are asked for the sake

42:40

of introducing the topic. They're not necessarily

42:42

a specific question that's being asked toward

42:45

you, but that's fine. But you look

42:47

at me like, do you know the

42:49

smell of chlorine? Yeah. But it's a

42:52

moment in the, it's a conversation tactic.

42:54

You get to work on your, how

42:56

you're asking. No, no, no. It's a

42:58

conversation tactic that allows people to take

43:01

a moment to understand we're pivoting towards

43:03

something else. Okay, chlorine, tell me about

43:05

it. Otherwise, if you just state random

43:07

stuff, then I don't know what this

43:10

is. Apparently, the smell of chlorine, which

43:12

I think you might be familiar with,

43:14

I'm not sure what they have, they

43:17

have pools in France or not. So

43:19

if because I saw it on Instagram

43:21

something gross by this guy so he

43:23

took he took two buckets of water

43:26

Like about you know this size like

43:28

normal size bucket and he put chlorine

43:30

in both 10x the amount of chlorine

43:33

you should put in it if it

43:35

were to be a pool because he

43:37

wanted to be extra strong so you

43:39

could smell it in case One bucket

43:42

had both had chlorine one was just

43:44

chlorine the other one had a tiny

43:46

thimble size amount of urine that he

43:48

poured into that other bucket He sealed

43:51

them, left him for like a few

43:53

hours or whatever, came back. The bucket

43:55

that had only chlorine smelled like nothing.

43:58

The bucket that had chlorine and he

44:00

smells like what like what we

44:02

think of chlorine from all the

44:04

pools we've ever been in. in. And so

44:06

apparently the science is that the smell

44:08

that we smell is not actually

44:10

the chlorine. the It's the chlorine plus pee

44:12

in and sweat. That creates the

44:14

smell. know i don't know about that i

44:16

mean i grew up with pools in my

44:18

backyard like inflatable pools and we had like

44:20

a little chlorine dispenser floaty thing that we

44:22

used to buy buy, like, know like, little like like, giant

44:25

tablets of chlorine go put in there never pee

44:27

in the pool It was in our backyard

44:29

we just go inside and use the bathroom

44:31

inside no piss in like chlorine there was no sweat then.

44:33

Or maybe it was the sweat my sister. I be Or

44:35

I be you should talk to your family like, see like,

44:37

what was going on in that pool. going to

44:39

chat with my sister and be like, like, like, like,

44:41

Did you really go out? Someone was

44:43

peeing in in the pool! think so. Well,

44:46

don't know. you don't know. investigate

44:48

investigate. to your to your siblings.

44:50

Maybe the chlorine in the chlorine is is different

44:52

than the chlorine chlorine here. No, I guess the sweat

44:54

the pee. pea. I I think he tried

44:56

sweat, but it's probably that too. it's probably

44:58

that I'm glad you said I'm before you said that right yeah,

45:00

yeah. That's very nice. time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

45:02

yeah, yeah. So, car museum, cool. it inspire

45:04

you you? In any way you

45:06

know design wise all these

45:08

different types of cars different

45:10

shapes we saw the shapes. car

45:12

the Buckmanster so cool. the It just makes

45:15

me Disney. Those were so even sadder about

45:17

the cars we have today and how

45:19

boring they look. about the cars we

45:21

have today know? Yeah. boring they

45:23

look. Yeah, man. You know? love old

45:25

cars old cars, definitely not ever

45:27

going to change, going to think

45:30

those are much more interesting.

45:32

more Inspire me! Inspire me. To go

45:35

go design houses in the manner of a

45:37

car, You you know it doesn't really

45:39

quite translate that way. I think

45:41

that way I think

45:43

cars in general the 50s the 60s 60s

45:45

and even 70s, they were really about

45:47

expressing like a lifestyle, a lifestyle, but

45:49

now they've they've they've more turned into

45:52

a little more turned into little apparatus,

45:54

you know you know? And

45:56

same thing with houses? I don't

45:58

know if the don't have the same thing that. houses. Maybe

46:00

not. There's There's certainly

46:03

more technology in houses. in houses. Yeah, I I

46:05

think. of Because of that, there's

46:07

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46:09

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46:11

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learn more. learn more. In other news, we've

48:01

been going out a whole lot, but

48:03

we've been... Oh, I'm so tired, no.

48:05

We haven't been going out at all.

48:08

We've been working seven days a week

48:10

for the last like three months. Yeah,

48:12

I'm going to have to ask for

48:15

a raise. What's about that? Yeah, it's

48:17

kidding a little bit, to be a

48:19

bit much. Which... Which I had read

48:21

an article about what's her name again?

48:24

Anya something. Anyaa, Taylor Joy Who said

48:26

that after she shot the movie like

48:28

she didn't speak for like a whole

48:30

week or something and the movie that

48:33

kind of like messed up with her

48:35

head I was like, okay, what happened

48:37

on this set? What's the deal? Is

48:40

she just a little bit of a

48:42

drama queen or what? Uh, the movie

48:44

was pretty intense Yeah. But you know

48:46

there is movies that are intense and

48:49

still like enjoyable and you're done watching

48:51

and you just kind of like forget

48:53

about it. But I could see how

48:56

she probably got messed up from after

48:58

that movie because I think it the

49:00

movie kind of like I don't know

49:02

made a print on my brain like

49:05

for the day after it was kind

49:07

of a very intense movie. It wasn't,

49:09

it was a Mad Max film, so

49:12

there's a lot of it as you

49:14

would expect, but the Mad Max Fury

49:16

Road was a more fun film, if

49:18

you could call it that. This one

49:21

was a bit darker for sure. The

49:23

story was dark, it was darker, and

49:25

it didn't really, it had a lot

49:28

of the action you would expect, and

49:30

you know, there's kind of fun and

49:32

entertainment in that part, but yeah, the

49:34

through line was a much darker narrative

49:37

than Fury Road. Yeah, it's interesting because

49:39

I feel like the aesthetic of Mad

49:41

Max is already pretty intense. The action

49:44

is pretty intense and then like the

49:46

emotional storyline was, like you said, like

49:48

was dark. And there wasn't that much

49:50

relief in the movie, like there wasn't

49:53

that many... funny moments

49:55

or like moments of

49:57

break it was

50:00

just kind of that

50:02

the whole time was

50:04

just kind of was like,

50:06

the sadder. and it sad, like

50:08

sad, sad, sad, again. More

50:11

sad. sad and then it

50:13

stops. Yeah, it it was

50:15

yeah, it was the heavy movie. the heavy

50:17

movie. Yeah, It was good. good.

50:19

If I will I will watch it again, probably

50:21

not. No, I don't need

50:23

to watch it again. It's too depressing.

50:25

watch it again. It's too depressing. Or

50:28

Emily and in Paris you know,

50:30

know, always, good. You know, good. always

50:32

something you call the first know, was the always

50:34

something this and season was the best it's

50:36

and that, but you know, it's like

50:38

anything, the first the first time is always

50:40

the best because just discovering things, but you

50:43

know, I think you do develop attachment

50:45

for characters. So So we've been

50:47

watching that that murders in the

50:49

building in thing, you just kind

50:51

of same thing, friends. of like, it's sexing old

50:53

friends. It sounds really sad, isn't

50:55

it? friends. No, but you know, it's like, know, like,

50:57

to good to see you again.

50:59

It's been been three since the last

51:02

show. show. Yeah, what was the

51:04

show that we was watching and We're

51:06

watching. a really and they've

51:08

of putting out good job of

51:10

quickly? Oh, it was it was

51:12

slow Slow horses, yeah. Comparative.

51:15

stranger things it's been like two years since

51:17

the last season it's like what's even

51:19

the point now I It's like, what's

51:21

even the point now? I mean,

51:23

just quit man. Just don't even

51:26

put out on this that was... But

51:28

A lot of fun they should be having then the next half of

51:30

the season come out at some point. They should be

51:32

coming out. the next half of

51:34

I don't know what else we've been watching some

51:36

not a whole lot. it's coming out. Yeah,

51:38

yeah, it's coming out. Yeah. Yeah, I

51:41

don't movie we've been watching though.

51:43

the a whole lot. That I guess spoilers

51:45

I was I was mostly

51:47

just movie I like a lot of

51:49

times at the end of the for if

51:51

like we're of times at the end

51:53

day, I prefer to watch something, I prefer

51:55

watching something light and just silly, Sandlin

51:57

movies or movies or whatever. don't care. good

52:00

just something just kind of has a

52:02

relief and that one clearly it's a

52:04

light sort of a romcom but mostly

52:06

just a comedy you know and I

52:08

like all the actors that are in

52:11

it so why would I not want

52:13

to watch it it's because I knew

52:15

the premise of the story was that

52:17

Zach Avron who plays the boss of

52:19

Joey King he was a 24 year

52:21

old person was trying to find themselves

52:23

and whatever else. She was the assistant

52:26

of Zach Affron's character. She's a famous

52:28

actor in the movie. And then her

52:30

boss hooks up with her mom. And

52:32

that's like, that's like, you see that

52:34

from the trailers. And I'm like, this

52:36

is. There's a good chance this is

52:39

going to annoy me because there's going

52:41

to be some friction between the characters.

52:43

Someone's going to think they're right. The

52:45

other person's going to think that they're

52:47

right. Also guarantee you that Zach Afron's

52:49

character, Nicole Kidman character, who are hooking

52:51

up, they probably think they're on the

52:54

right when they're not in the right.

52:56

So yeah, I spent most of the

52:58

film just being really annoyed because... Spoilers,

53:00

the two, the mom and Zach Efron,

53:02

they get drunk in the middle of

53:04

the day for no reason, they just

53:07

get shit-faced, and then they hook up,

53:09

and then the daughter freaks out because

53:11

now she has a boss who she

53:13

hates, who has now had sex with

53:15

her mom, and it sets off all

53:17

the stuff. And for the entire movie,

53:19

the mom and Zach Efron are like,

53:22

yeah, what's the problem? Like, you need

53:24

to chill out. This is not an

53:26

issue, don't make it. dick who starts

53:28

like yelling at at her and saying

53:30

like you're this and you're that enjoy

53:32

king characters like wait I'm this and

53:35

that and then the friend says don't

53:37

talk about yourself everything's about you like

53:39

what the who wrote this movie you

53:41

just trying to anger people like me

53:43

it was it was beyond frustrated this

53:45

movie was written during the writer strikes

53:47

in Hollywood and then I hacked it

53:50

together really quickly with like cheap labor

53:52

or whatever that's pretty bad story nine.

53:54

Didn't think I didn't care for in

53:56

that movie was all the sets way

53:58

to perfect picturesque. like they

54:00

have a have a Christmas

54:03

dinner. It's like if you had

54:05

to imagine from a kid's

54:07

perspective the most the most

54:09

perfect cabin of Christmas

54:12

it's exactly that it's

54:14

too much And then again, you

54:16

know, Again, know, Zac plays

54:18

this. insanely famous star actor.

54:20

Nicole came in Nicole a Pulitzer Pulitzer

54:22

a rider and the montages of them hanging out

54:24

together, you know, montages of them

54:27

hanging out together, you

54:29

know, presumably falling in love

54:31

the the beach and probably the

54:33

Hamans, like but probably the

54:35

Hamptons like the beach, like

54:37

facing this, this amazing and in

54:40

amazing house and they're in and actually then,

54:42

the actually before I'm happen, I'm like, they

54:44

they going to sit next to I next

54:46

to a next next and then boom bonfire necks

54:48

then boom boom It's too much.

54:50

It's like I don't know I just

54:52

it was intended to

54:54

be intended to be extremely, you know, Hollywood,

54:56

cheese, type of of thing. much.

54:58

And both too much shitting on the daughter also just

55:00

kept I'm on the daughter the entire

55:02

time I'm like I don't you're both

55:04

adults or what are you doing? It's

55:07

so inappropriate to hook up with your

55:09

daughter's boss Like, how do you not do you not

55:11

see the problem with with that? then? because Nicole

55:13

Kidman's character is a writer writer and working

55:15

on a movie with a script is

55:17

not good. with a been trying to fix

55:19

their and the her friend or whatever to for

55:21

Zac Efron. The mom steps in without

55:23

telling the daughter starts working on the

55:25

script and she's like, why is this

55:27

a problem that I'm fixing the script?

55:29

And the daughter's like, because I've been

55:31

trying to fix the script. the mom's

55:34

like, and get over it. is like, a problem that

55:36

I'm fixing Excuse me? And the daughter's how are

55:38

you? The guy's I've It's just, I to fix

55:40

the script, then no. So don't those people. about watching

55:42

the movie ever since you the

55:44

with stuff like you get then stuff

55:46

like I do, then third to the

55:48

movie and you're like, I don't think I can

55:50

finish it. We did finish think but I

55:53

was like, did finish it, but I to I

55:55

don't think I need to watch this

55:57

anymore. It's just people being inconsiderate and rude

55:59

to others. Like the... folks in that planetarium like

56:01

I don't I don't need to

56:03

see the movie about this I have

56:05

to experience this already we go

56:07

out and see people that's enough of

56:09

them out there I don't need

56:11

to put that into like some kind

56:14

of art form so if you

56:16

have any good recommendation of things to

56:18

watch please send us our way

56:20

you know always open for for ideas

56:22

but you don't like cartoons cartoons

56:24

like what any cartoons no I don't

56:26

mind cartoons the problem I have

56:28

with cartoons is usually in the evening

56:30

I I don't really want to

56:32

watch that mostly because they have a

56:35

tendency of being really loud because

56:37

you know they're made up they're drawing

56:39

so they're not really lively so

56:41

therefore they really put an emphasis on

56:43

the voice acting which is fine

56:45

but they haven't seen of like yelling

56:47

and having like really annoying voices

56:49

and that's not something I want to

56:51

listen to at night at night

56:53

I want to chill well that is

56:55

pretty good description of most yeah

56:58

adult cartoons but we should watch like

57:00

spirited away I also don't have

57:02

a big affinity with like like manga

57:04

anime man you're

57:06

really okay we could watch fucking

57:08

Red Spot dog or whatever the

57:10

kids watch blue dog blue what

57:12

is it I don't know there's

57:14

I think there's a dog that

57:16

was a construction kind I don't

57:18

need to watch anything like construction

57:20

to turn it off and our

57:22

choices are being really limited now

57:24

it's for sure yeah but you

57:26

know anything that lately I've been

57:28

wanting to watch things that are

57:30

light again always I'm looking for

57:32

stuff that's funny but I feel

57:34

like funny nothing is funny anymore

57:36

there's doesn't exist everything has to

57:38

be sad or serious or like

57:40

too much action and it's like

57:42

I don't know we started watching

57:44

that movie last night kinds of

57:46

kindness which is pretty weird it's

57:48

a three -hour movie three -hour movie

57:50

which I'm thrilled because that means

57:52

that's gonna be like three or

57:54

four nights of watching so I

57:56

don't have to worry about what

57:58

we're watching for the next week

58:00

But, but I wish there

58:02

was more stuff like that, that's

58:05

just kind of different unexpected experimental

58:07

or whatever weird, makes your brain

58:09

work but not like in a

58:11

way that's like work -work you

58:13

know mean? I think it's just

58:15

hard because you you know

58:17

the market for those types of films is

58:19

assumed to be quite small And

58:22

there was an interview with, I mean, a

58:24

lot of our actors have said this recently, but

58:26

I think Vince Vaughn, who

58:28

was in that hot one's show.

58:31

where they hot wings and whatever,

58:33

right? And he was talking

58:35

about you know know Vaughn, right? What? I

58:37

I think I've heard a name. I

58:39

don't know what he looks like. Okay, Dodgeball,

58:46

Wedding Crashers, I I

58:49

mean, those are probably American classics. There's

58:51

a new show on Apple TV that

58:53

he's in that you started watching without

58:56

me. It's called like or

58:58

some Oh Monkey? Yeah. Oh, he's a

59:00

bad man guy? Yeah, the tall guy. Oh

59:02

okay Yeah. Yeah, Vince Vaughn. He's

59:04

a very cozy person. Yes. So

59:06

for a period of time, he

59:08

was in a lot of these Adam

59:10

Sandler -esque comedies in the sense that they're

59:12

raunchy adult comedies. And there weren't Adam

59:14

Sandler production but it was in that

59:16

kind of thing. Wedding Crashers was him

59:18

and Owen Wilson, and they would to

59:20

weddings and have sex with all the

59:22

bridesmaids, and that was like, you know,

59:25

that kind of thing. And anyway on

59:27

the hot one show, he was talking

59:29

about why those types of movies aren't

59:31

made anymore. And basically it's because said

59:33

because the higher the executives of the

59:35

studios, they're afraid. They don't want to

59:37

get fired. So adhere to very strict

59:39

rules. or a recipe

59:41

for what they can

59:43

do and it'll produce

59:46

a movie that is it's

59:48

good, maybe it's mediocre, it doesn't really

59:50

matter, but it's safe. and not going

59:52

upset anyone and so they won't get fired. And

59:55

that has created a flattening

59:57

of the types of comedies and movies

59:59

that go. that put out there And I

1:00:01

think think that to your question

1:00:03

know, to your question of why aren't

1:00:05

more movies like kinds of kindness

1:00:07

being made is because movies are incredibly,

1:00:09

incredibly expensive and they have to

1:00:11

perform. have to in order for them to be.

1:00:14

them to be, have been made worthwhile for

1:00:16

the investors and the producers and whatnot.

1:00:18

And if you if you can't prove

1:00:20

that up front. it's It's hard

1:00:22

to get money. It's the same thing with

1:00:24

architecture and development. If you can't prove If you

1:00:26

can't prove it's going to and Z for my return

1:00:28

on investment, on I don't wanna pay for it.

1:00:30

want to pay that's that's the... That's the challenge.

1:00:32

many of those flat movies being made out

1:00:34

made out there bringing anything? I mean,

1:00:37

a lot lot of them are crap. Yeah, you You

1:00:39

know, it's like, I don't know. I mean, Disney's I

1:00:41

don't know. I mean Disney's

1:00:43

having this problem Marvel is owned by

1:00:45

Disney this having this problem A lot of

1:00:47

the big franchises are having the problem

1:00:49

because they became too formulaic too formulaic a

1:00:51

recipe Now it's, not not... the stuff is

1:00:54

not No, and that goes against

1:00:56

entertainment, and that goes against like you got

1:00:58

to keep people excited and entertained

1:01:00

and surprised got to keep people new things.

1:01:02

can't, if you repeat the same

1:01:04

stuff, You not entertaining at some point,

1:01:06

you know? stuff, You not I

1:01:08

know. at I know, I just think

1:01:10

of the I know. I what we do too. It's

1:01:12

just, of the parallels for what we do too. It's it could

1:01:14

be hard. It could be also there

1:01:17

is a then there is a new...

1:01:19

opening for a market that's not to

1:01:21

movies bring happen and bring the stuff that's

1:01:23

not being made here anymore You know,

1:01:25

maybe that's what's gonna happen Other more

1:01:27

other more interesting movies to to come from

1:01:29

other places. I think already happening. mean,

1:01:31

look at the number of Korean films

1:01:34

that have had a lot of success of success.

1:01:36

That would have not have happened 20 years

1:01:38

ago 20 years ago. Or British film for, I mean, British I

1:01:40

mean, British been more a part of always been more

1:01:42

a part of American culture for a of

1:01:44

period of time, but no, I think it is no,

1:01:46

I think it is happening it is happening. But

1:01:48

curious to see what happens what

1:01:50

happens for architecture. I suppose suppose

1:01:52

a lot of this conversation

1:01:55

conversation, though, is is probably the

1:01:57

same conversation. that that

1:01:59

other creative... industries have about their thing

1:02:01

that they make. Yeah. Like why aren't

1:02:03

more people willing to invest and spend

1:02:05

money and time and value this thing,

1:02:08

which by nature is more of a

1:02:10

niche product, right? Because there's an exception

1:02:12

to all the generic stuff out there.

1:02:14

So I don't know, finding like might

1:02:16

a people is probably the way to

1:02:18

go, I think. Yeah. We started watching

1:02:21

Beatle Juice. The old one and then

1:02:23

we stopped. I do want to finish

1:02:25

it though. Probably finish it. Yeah, I

1:02:27

do want to finish it. And they

1:02:29

have some cool postmodern architecture. Mostly because

1:02:31

it's, you know, I always talk about

1:02:34

my dream of teleportation, right? Did you

1:02:36

just cuff at me? No, it's kind

1:02:38

of happened. Somebody's working on it. But

1:02:40

if you are working on it, please

1:02:42

let me know. Just give me a

1:02:45

heads up. Like, what's the timeline? Am

1:02:47

I going to be able to see

1:02:49

that when I'm alive? Or would my

1:02:51

grandchildren see that? Just let me know.

1:02:53

But tape audition is one of my

1:02:55

big dream. The other big dream of

1:02:58

mine is travel in time. Okay. Which

1:03:00

is why I do sometimes enjoy watching

1:03:02

all the movies, because I feel like

1:03:04

I'm able to step back into a

1:03:06

world where maybe I was never part

1:03:08

of, because I wasn't there yet. you

1:03:11

know, or I could dip back into

1:03:13

it. And it's kind of cool to

1:03:15

compare like the world back then and

1:03:17

now, and again, look at things back

1:03:19

and forth. It's amazing how different things

1:03:21

were 50 years ago, 100 years ago.

1:03:24

Even just like how people dressed and

1:03:26

moved and their hair styles and their

1:03:28

behavior and even the words that they

1:03:30

were using sometimes, you know, like it's

1:03:32

just the small things, but it's very

1:03:34

interesting. You know, earlier you're talking about

1:03:37

the Griffith Observatory kind of blowing your

1:03:39

mind and not knowing what to do

1:03:41

after that. It's the same feeling when

1:03:43

I don't see that stuff. Honestly, one

1:03:45

of the things that I think fear...

1:03:48

would be their

1:03:50

word word maybe me if

1:03:52

I'm afraid of I'm

1:03:54

afraid of or don't know

1:03:56

what to do

1:03:58

with don't know what that

1:04:01

feeling of like we're

1:04:03

doing now like the

1:04:05

span of our

1:04:07

lifetime the span of years

1:04:09

from that point 150

1:04:11

years from that point it's gonna be

1:04:13

a completely different world. not even

1:04:16

matter what we had done even matter what we

1:04:18

had done to a degree it's just it's

1:04:20

what matter fucking strange right yeah

1:04:22

at the film of 1920 people

1:04:24

writing these skinny ass bicycles big

1:04:26

wheels and wearing suits and

1:04:29

ties and top ties is not

1:04:31

like this is not like it's so much of

1:04:33

the past so much of the past

1:04:35

that we don't even think about it as any

1:04:37

having any influence. we do now it's

1:04:39

just on what we do now.

1:04:41

like an it's a movie It's an archived

1:04:44

movie movie there. It's exists there it's

1:04:46

just not know, I was thinking about it

1:04:48

the other day, I was like, thinking about it the

1:04:50

other day see. like okay so And,

1:04:52

see and How am I? I'm like, see,

1:04:54

Nick. let's see, like, 50 years.

1:04:57

50 years. Or if we have kids

1:04:59

like our kids would be

1:05:01

leaving and like like, our kids will be

1:05:03

will be living in,

1:05:05

like, they will be living

1:05:08

time the, the, between time

1:05:10

in the and 2000 and,

1:05:12

and 200, you you know,

1:05:14

they will be seeing,

1:05:17

centuries. There will They

1:05:19

would be experiencing both, right?

1:05:21

right. And I I feel like

1:05:23

if you can, can, suppose some weird reason,

1:05:25

kind of like the past of

1:05:27

the next century means that

1:05:29

big changes are gonna happen, which I don't

1:05:31

know if it's really the case, but

1:05:33

in my mind it kind of is. really the

1:05:35

case, it's funny because I do feel like

1:05:38

of is. And it's Your context of

1:05:40

history your really go beyond

1:05:42

that, you know, like. go

1:05:44

beyond that. You know, are

1:05:46

old now, who are old now, like the

1:05:48

in their in their 90s, like 90s. They've

1:05:51

only known like century worth of history.

1:05:53

what happened what happened before that, they

1:05:55

might have heard it from their

1:05:57

parents or so, but they're not

1:05:59

that f... with it. And it's

1:06:01

interesting to see that really the history

1:06:03

that we carry as a baggage in

1:06:05

terms of society is probably just about

1:06:08

like that 100 year old period of

1:06:10

time. This is also the inherent problem

1:06:12

of humans that we don't really, for

1:06:15

the most part we aren't even able

1:06:17

to comprehend much beyond that even if

1:06:19

we tried, even if we tried. And

1:06:22

then most of us don't try. of

1:06:24

course, right? Because there are other stuff

1:06:26

going on. So our frame, our frame

1:06:29

of everything is just small. So when

1:06:31

we talk about like global climate and

1:06:33

change and stuff, it's people don't bother

1:06:36

to, they dismiss it because it's outside

1:06:38

of their, you know, stupid monkey brain

1:06:40

ability to think beyond a certain point.

1:06:43

It's not an excuse because I think

1:06:45

you could exercise that, but a lot

1:06:47

of people just, again, too much they

1:06:50

just dismiss. They don't think about it,

1:06:52

don't care. Not my problem or I

1:06:54

don't believe it's real because it's outside

1:06:57

of this framework that I have. And

1:06:59

you know, if we could somehow solve

1:07:01

that, we would be operating very differently.

1:07:04

We think very very short term. And

1:07:06

our leaders think extremely short term, right?

1:07:08

Because there's a practical thing of being

1:07:11

reelected or whatever else. It's not a

1:07:13

time scale of like half a dozen

1:07:15

years at most when it comes to

1:07:17

that thing. Which is actually amazing that

1:07:20

there could be any sort of evolution

1:07:22

if you have such a short mindset.

1:07:24

Well, when you think about it, the

1:07:27

evolution takes place as a result of

1:07:29

a very select, very, very few people

1:07:31

who are not like what I just

1:07:34

described. And they just think about the

1:07:36

thing with the past to learn from

1:07:38

them, but they think about the future.

1:07:41

And they're projecting that this thing I'm

1:07:43

doing now will have an implication. 50

1:07:45

years, you know, at best 50 years,

1:07:48

100 years from now. And then there's

1:07:50

a next one and then the latter

1:07:52

kind of continues. But yeah, someone we

1:07:55

were speaking with where they were describing

1:07:57

architects as being futurous and it's an

1:07:59

interesting. idea because on the one

1:08:01

hand the practice the

1:08:03

one hand when you're doing of

1:08:05

architecture when you're doing it. because

1:08:07

there's so many real feel that

1:08:10

way because there's so many real

1:08:12

to deal with like finish this have to deal

1:08:14

with like now or by that time start or

1:08:16

by that time start construction and

1:08:18

now is everything is kind of like

1:08:21

just it it feels immediate. And the

1:08:23

idea that we're talking about a future,

1:08:25

about a future, and implies kind of a, kind of

1:08:27

a, it evokes an emotion. You You don't

1:08:29

really think that, that, but. is very much the

1:08:31

case. One, because the It is very much

1:08:33

the case. but then also because the project

1:08:35

takes so long, but then also when they're done, they're

1:08:37

going to be around for a very long time. And

1:08:39

so it's, again, that's why it's so fun and it's that's why

1:08:41

it's so fun and it's interesting, it's a privilege

1:08:43

and it's a very serious profession because whatever you're

1:08:46

making, like, you are... making, like you are

1:08:48

really dictating. how people are going to

1:08:50

live and move around around this all these things you've

1:08:52

created in the course of your career for the

1:08:54

next 100 years. for the next hundred years.

1:08:56

long time Well, as I depends if they're going to

1:08:58

be it the next 30 years it's actually nothing be

1:09:00

there for the they're going to be there for the

1:09:03

next 200 years that's a good you know

1:09:05

that's a good print for the next good 200 then

1:09:07

if you are able to embody

1:09:09

a those And then and ideas to embody

1:09:11

within those works the structure itself, ideas

1:09:13

then you're really onto something, but.

1:09:16

then you're really I mean, I think That's

1:09:18

probably the biggest difference biggest You

1:09:20

know, good architects. you know, good and bad

1:09:22

architects or good architects and

1:09:24

fake architects like like or

1:09:26

architectural designers or contractors playing

1:09:29

architects or developers playing architects

1:09:31

is that they don't. playing

1:09:33

architects thinking is don't, is

1:09:35

even more, is thinking more, their thinking is,

1:09:38

year. the next year is just when it sells,

1:09:40

it's not really or my life when

1:09:42

I'm in there like, oh, I want my...

1:09:44

oven to be here I must

1:09:46

have like a oh I my

1:09:48

dog ball have like a thing for my dog

1:09:50

bowl like that's okay least the but are

1:09:53

these is so much

1:09:55

further ahead. their vision is

1:09:57

so much further ahead sometimes

1:10:00

easy to get lost in

1:10:02

that future. You know, you

1:10:04

know, what's my ultimate client

1:10:06

goal to have? Can you

1:10:08

guess? You want to design?

1:10:10

You want to... I'm talking

1:10:12

about the client itself. I'm

1:10:14

not talking about the project.

1:10:16

Okay, the client. You want

1:10:18

to design for someone than

1:10:20

someone that's been cryo-frozen. Something

1:10:22

to do with cryo-frozen? You're

1:10:24

not too far. You're not

1:10:26

too far. It would be

1:10:28

an alien. That would

1:10:30

be cool That would freaking blow

1:10:32

my mind Okay, aside from the

1:10:34

fact that it's anything because first

1:10:36

of all how big are they?

1:10:38

Second of all, how do they

1:10:40

live? I know nothing about how

1:10:42

they live, right? So there would

1:10:44

be a lot of research and

1:10:46

it's to be done right there

1:10:48

And then you have to completely

1:10:50

forget about the preconception of how

1:10:52

you've been designing architecture on this

1:10:54

planet for for our people because

1:10:56

these guys are completely different have

1:10:58

foundations, they might just live in

1:11:00

air, you know, so like how

1:11:02

does it work? That would be

1:11:04

super cool. So that's my goal.

1:11:06

I want an alienist. But that's

1:11:08

what I was saying and was

1:11:10

this recording in a previous one,

1:11:12

wouldn't you like you're an architecture

1:11:14

student? You kind of design, well,

1:11:17

this sounds hard, so you don't

1:11:19

design for aliens, but you design

1:11:21

with these like very abnormal strange

1:11:23

constraints. Like again, you're designing that

1:11:25

abnormal, but yeah. They're more abnormal

1:11:27

than the norm, yeah. Yeah, yeah,

1:11:29

but you're, because you're being, you're

1:11:31

being pushed in a sense, but

1:11:33

you aren't right, though, that the

1:11:35

preconceptions are really, that's really what

1:11:37

it is, always, it always comes

1:11:39

back to that, like, whether or

1:11:41

not something is good or bad

1:11:43

or, or, or it feels natural

1:11:45

is, is, is whether or not

1:11:47

you're being restrained by preconceptions, even

1:11:49

like, like, actively, like, actually in

1:11:51

the process of working on, I'm

1:11:53

thinking about. right now. It's like

1:11:55

when there's moments where things aren't

1:11:57

working, it's because you're not You're

1:12:00

allowing preconceptions of what's right and what's

1:12:02

wrong and what's acceptable, what's this and what's

1:12:04

dictate things. It's really hard. what's this and what's

1:12:06

that to dictate an animal instead

1:12:08

of a human. get away from it. you

1:12:11

know, and that would be

1:12:13

super interesting. instead of a human. Yeah.

1:12:15

You know, like that would be super

1:12:17

interesting. Also much programmed the

1:12:19

same way. some ways, I feel

1:12:21

like. much You know. the same way. I

1:12:24

feel like, you know. You know know, humans

1:12:26

are, but they also have their own

1:12:28

personalities and this and that. Like, they're really trying

1:12:30

really hard to be different, each of

1:12:32

them. And like, have their own little existence.

1:12:34

like And have their their own personal agendas and

1:12:36

this and that. their own again, if I

1:12:38

go back to my and this and that like again

1:12:40

if know to don't have an

1:12:42

agenda. They don't don't shopping agenda.

1:12:44

blue like go shopping and like this

1:12:46

and that or purple or this would

1:12:48

it mean to design for

1:12:50

a user design not trying? not trying?

1:12:52

to to push their personal agenda

1:12:54

on a project, but maybe

1:12:57

it might be trying to push

1:12:59

their functional agenda on a

1:13:01

project. you're I think is also the describing

1:13:03

is also the difference when you're working

1:13:05

on single family houses for someone who's

1:13:07

going to live in that house, versus

1:13:09

you're working on a project that's for

1:13:11

the public. that's for the you know if

1:13:13

So, you know, when library a library... community

1:13:16

center like Yes, there's the client who's paying for

1:13:18

it, that's the client, but the user is

1:13:21

not the client, the user is. the client

1:13:23

but user is not the Yeah,

1:13:25

it's a community user or

1:13:27

maybe it's people yeah it's a

1:13:29

you know, during maybe or during

1:13:31

winter it's birds, so maybe you

1:13:33

it's whatever else, right? during

1:13:36

winter it's birds during whatever

1:13:38

it's whatever else right yeah

1:13:40

yeah I think the the I I think

1:13:42

the user comes with the

1:13:44

preconceptions of you know the buildings should

1:13:46

be. you mean that the that the has

1:13:48

preconceptions of what the of

1:13:50

what the of what the has preconceived

1:13:53

ideas of who of is the user

1:13:55

is they are or that the they are,

1:13:57

or that the users themselves bring

1:13:59

ideas conceptions to the project? I

1:14:01

think both. I think both. I

1:14:03

mean, I think it's the job

1:14:06

of the architect to poke and

1:14:08

question those preconceptions that the client

1:14:10

brings with them. I think it's

1:14:12

also important for the architect to

1:14:14

remind themselves to question their own

1:14:16

preconceptions. Because sometimes the client might

1:14:19

not even be aware that those

1:14:21

are preconceptions or that those could

1:14:23

be changed. You know, it just

1:14:25

kind of needs to be brought

1:14:27

to light, but sometimes they're also

1:14:30

not responsive to that either either.

1:14:32

I don't know, I would be

1:14:34

fascinating to design for an alien

1:14:36

or animals now that I think

1:14:38

about it. Animals would be pretty

1:14:40

easy, I think. But that's why,

1:14:43

so it would be easy in

1:14:45

the sense that, well, we've studied

1:14:47

animals and we know what they

1:14:49

do and how they live and

1:14:51

this and that, but could you

1:14:53

design for them knowing that and

1:14:56

satisfying some of that, but also

1:14:58

change the way they live and

1:15:00

they operate because of the way

1:15:02

you've designed... their habitat or their

1:15:04

environment. And maybe that sounds too

1:15:06

evil as like humans trying to

1:15:09

control animals and nature and this

1:15:11

and that. But is there a

1:15:13

way that we could hub them

1:15:15

evolve? You know? You mean that's

1:15:17

a species evolve? Or you mean

1:15:19

just like they're they're called lifestyle?

1:15:22

or become smarter or or physically

1:15:24

change. Yeah, I don't know. Well,

1:15:26

evolution should be on the magnitude

1:15:28

of tons of magic years. So

1:15:30

I don't think I know, but

1:15:32

baby steps, right? Okay. I mean,

1:15:35

okay, for sure, like whatever environment

1:15:37

in, you know, animals living is

1:15:39

going to impact how it feels

1:15:41

and how it moves and whatnot

1:15:43

for sure. Yes. Like would we

1:15:45

be able to communicate with them?

1:15:48

Okay now you're getting into weird

1:15:50

territory of whatever else. I don't

1:15:52

know if designing for an animal

1:15:54

is going to produce very interesting

1:15:56

results because there's not much to

1:15:58

work with there. They

1:16:00

eat they shit and they sleep and

1:16:02

they repeat it and maybe they want

1:16:05

to frolic around in some grass and see

1:16:07

sunlight. but... I

1:16:09

forgot I'm talking to a person who does not

1:16:11

like animals so... No, but beyond that, do mean, I

1:16:13

don't know. The psyche of a horse you can try and

1:16:15

dive into, but you can't talk to it, so it'd be be

1:16:17

kind of difficult. why do you

1:16:19

don't know maybe there's a way to talk to them. getting

1:16:21

into weird territory, I don't think so.

1:16:23

The alien idea sounds more promising. So

1:16:26

that's just because you're more into than you're into

1:16:28

animals. assume you can communicate with this

1:16:30

alien. right there. I don't know, I might

1:16:32

be challenging to explain a plan to

1:16:34

an alien. So is your powder room. How

1:16:36

do you say powder room in alien

1:16:38

language? What is the point of this

1:16:40

powder room? Well, you know, if you need to use a bathroom

1:16:42

but you want to hide for your peers a

1:16:44

minute, you go in there, you lock the

1:16:46

door. that is actually a good purpose

1:16:48

of the powder room. Yeah, there is

1:16:50

definitely abuse usage of powder rooms where

1:16:52

people just disappear in there for half hours

1:16:54

at a time You don't know where

1:16:56

they went Then it's awkward because

1:16:59

everyone's waiting outside thinking what is going on

1:17:01

inside of that room? The person just

1:17:03

flushed out like one. Yeah, Yeah,

1:17:05

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:17:08

yeah. Okay, so, okay, okay, okay, okay. so want

1:17:10

to design a house for an, or something

1:17:12

for an alien, museum for aliens. But I'm

1:17:14

afraid I'll be afraid of them too. so I don't

1:17:16

know, I have to warm up into the idea over

1:17:18

time. I just to

1:17:20

know what they look like. first. you

1:17:22

know. It's familiar. What

1:17:24

scale. What scale housing are

1:17:26

we dealing with here? You

1:17:30

know, are they like 10 feet tall are

1:17:32

they feet tall. But

1:17:35

actually your idea of designing a

1:17:38

structure for an alien, presumably the structure

1:17:40

is taking place on Earth. It's

1:17:42

the same thing that happens, right? You

1:17:44

have these ideas competitions for designing.

1:17:46

a of the future that's

1:17:48

on the moon. It's

1:17:50

the same idea. You're changing

1:17:52

all the context. And

1:17:56

that's like the worst thing, right? When

1:17:58

you see these competition projects or students...

1:18:00

projects and they've done some kind of

1:18:02

kind on the moon on the floating in

1:18:04

space, in and they show their show their their

1:18:06

it's like, it's like okay so it's just a house,

1:18:08

but it's in space. and like what are you doing

1:18:11

are you doing, here's like my kitchen so here's like

1:18:13

my kitchen the you walk through the front

1:18:15

door and then there's a bathroom and

1:18:17

there's a window to look out at the

1:18:19

earth. I'm like, out at the earth I'm like you've

1:18:21

done nothing in relation to the the really.

1:18:23

You've just designed a house. a But fundamentally, that's

1:18:26

the That's the same issue with most houses that are

1:18:28

out there. there They're generic and

1:18:30

they they just they don't don't fit,

1:18:32

actually, with the the the context and the

1:18:34

users and all that the users and all

1:18:37

that stuff. the context and the Cuz

1:18:39

there's even under The context neighborhood there's

1:18:41

a a typical neighborhood. things happening

1:18:43

a lot of interesting things happening if you

1:18:45

pay attention, abandoned the but, and you've abandoned you

1:18:48

preconceptions and you can do something cool. matter

1:18:50

where matter where it is, even if you're

1:18:52

in the middle of the most generic the

1:18:54

most generic neighborhood I can guarantee some really cool things

1:18:56

to work with, to work but people don't think

1:18:58

that way. way Yeah. Some architects

1:19:01

don't that way. think that

1:19:03

way. Tell me about it. it. All

1:19:05

right. All of these

1:19:08

big existential these big existential

1:19:10

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