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4:53

The Manson murders have an

4:56

order of finality. In 2016,

4:58

British newspaper The Guardian marveled

5:01

at how they compel the

5:03

public, despite what the journalist

5:05

called a lack of any

5:08

meaty mystery. This shows, yet

5:10

again, this podcast's point about

5:13

how the mainstream media has

5:15

been complicit in covering up

5:18

the complexities of the Manson

5:20

case. In no way do

5:23

we know with certainty who

5:25

did what when and how.

5:27

As you know, dear listener,

5:30

I despise idle speculation. And

5:32

this case is no different.

5:35

The problem is that so

5:37

much of the evidence is

5:40

still, and heaven knows why,

5:42

being kept confidential by the

5:45

US authorities. To me, your

5:47

humble host, it appears quite

5:50

clear. that Charles Manson had

5:52

ties, perhaps lose once, to

5:54

US security services such as

5:57

the CIA and the F.

5:59

FBI through programs such as

6:02

Cointle Pro, Chaos and MK

6:04

Ultra. Now the evidence, such

6:07

as it is, points pretty

6:09

clearly at Charles Tex Watson,

6:12

Susan Atkins, and Patricia Kernwinkle

6:14

as murderers of Sharon Tate

6:17

and her friends on Ciello

6:19

Drive. But the evidence does

6:21

not at all conclude that

6:24

they did so at the

6:26

direct behest. of Charles Manson.

6:29

He himself adamantly denied it,

6:31

and the killers themselves changed

6:34

their story so many times

6:36

that we will probably never

6:39

learn the truth. One key

6:41

enigma is the text Watson

6:43

tapes. Less than two weeks

6:46

before the family's capture in

6:48

the desert, Watson absconded to

6:51

his parents' place in Copewell,

6:53

Texas. On the 30th of

6:56

November, 1969, he turned himself

6:58

in for questioning after learning

7:01

that two LAPD detectives were

7:03

on a plane heading his

7:06

way. He got a lawyer,

7:08

Bill Boyd, of Dallas, who

7:10

sat him down to make

7:13

a taped confession. This is,

7:15

as far as anyone knows,

7:18

the first known recorded account

7:20

of the crimes. Before Bugliosi

7:23

or anyone else, could impose

7:25

narrative order on it. It's

7:28

all the more valuable because

7:30

Watson hadn't even been identified

7:33

as a suspect yet. He

7:35

was speaking of his own

7:37

accord to his lawyer, not

7:40

as a man defending himself

7:42

to the police. According to

7:45

Boyd, Watson described the duration

7:47

of his time with the

7:50

family, and, in chilling detail,

7:52

the killing of Tate and

7:55

the other victims. He was

7:57

very straightforward. and candid about

7:59

his involvement in the crimes.

8:02

He also described other murders

8:04

that the group committed, murders

8:07

that hadn't been discovered. The

8:09

DA's office and the LAPD

8:12

have released only minimal and

8:14

at times contradictory statements about

8:17

content on recording tapes. Recently,

8:19

the DA's office trotted out

8:22

a different reason for not

8:24

releasing them, and I quote,

8:26

There are unsolved crimes. Manson

8:29

family members are suspected of

8:31

committing. The information in the

8:34

tapes are part of the

8:36

investigation of those crimes and

8:39

could be used to solve

8:41

them." It is quite appalling

8:44

that they give this statement

8:46

over 40 years after the

8:48

Manson family murders. The tapes

8:51

with Tex Watson's initial statements

8:53

have been available to law

8:56

enforcement all these years. And

8:58

now, when there are certain

9:01

media interests in their content,

9:03

they are withheld due to

9:06

a supposed ongoing investigation. The

9:08

whole thing smells to high

9:11

heaven. When we delve into

9:13

the dark saga of the

9:15

Manson family, the names sharantate.

9:18

Leno and Rosemary La Bianca

9:20

often dominate the narrative. Yet

9:23

the shadow cast by Charles

9:25

Manson and his followers extends

9:28

into numerous other grim chapters,

9:30

each involving real people with

9:33

lives, dreams and stories that

9:35

were cut short. Let's take

9:38

a closer look at these

9:40

lesser-known victims, their lives, and

9:42

the circumstances surrounding their tragic

9:45

ends. Donald

9:47

Jerome Shea, born on

9:49

the 18th of September,

9:51

1933 in Massachusetts, was

9:53

a stuntman and actor

9:55

who worked on numerous

9:57

Hollywood. with productions he

10:00

might report their activities,

10:02

led to his murder.

10:04

He was well-liked at

10:06

Sparn Ranch, where he

10:08

worked as a ranch

10:10

hand, maintaining the property

10:12

where the Manson family

10:14

had taken residence. Shea's

10:16

familiarity with the cult

10:18

members, combined with suspicions

10:20

he might report their

10:23

activities, led to his

10:25

murder. In late August,

10:27

ordered his killing, which

10:29

was carried out by

10:31

Bruce Davis and Steve

10:33

Clem Grogan. Shea was

10:35

stabbed, beaten, and his

10:37

body dismembered, buried in

10:39

a shallow grave at

10:41

ranch. His remains were

10:44

only discovered in 1977,

10:46

after Grogan confessed in

10:48

hopes of a parole.

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13:29

Gerwetsen, born in 1948 in

13:31

Estonia, moved to Canada before

13:34

making her way to California,

13:36

known as Jane Doe 59,

13:38

when her body was discovered

13:40

on the 16th of November,

13:43

1969, on Mulholland Drive, Gerwetsen

13:45

had been stabbed multiple times.

13:47

Her life was one of

13:50

travel, and perhaps the search

13:52

for opportunity in the new

13:54

world. The brutality of her

13:57

murder in close proximity. to

13:59

known Manson family activities led

14:01

to speculation of a connection.

14:04

Theories suggest she might have

14:06

witnessed something she shouldn't have,

14:08

or crossed paths with the

14:11

wrong people at a time

14:13

when the Manson family was

14:15

still active and lethal. Beyond

14:17

these, there are whispers around

14:20

other figures like Joe Pew,

14:22

connected to the family through

14:24

his wife, Sandra Good. Pugh

14:27

found dead in London under

14:29

suspicious circumstances leaves us questioning

14:31

the reach of Manson's influence.

14:34

Similarly, Ronald Hughes, born in

14:36

1936, was a young lawyer

14:38

representing Manson during his trial.

14:41

His disappearance and subsequent death

14:43

by drowning in a remote

14:45

area of California during a

14:47

court recess in November 1970.

14:50

Stars' speculation about whether his

14:52

death was accidental or orchestrated

14:54

to silence a potential threat

14:57

or weak link in Manson's

14:59

defense. On the day the

15:01

verdicts recommending the death penalty

15:04

were returned, news came that

15:06

the badly decomposed body of

15:08

Ronald Hughes had been found

15:11

wedged between two boulders in

15:13

Ventura County. It was rumoured,

15:15

although never proven. that Hughes

15:18

was murdered by the family,

15:20

possibly because he had stood

15:22

up to Manson and refused

15:24

to allow Van Houghton to

15:27

take the stand and absolve

15:29

Manson of the crimes. Though

15:31

he might have perished in

15:34

flooding, family member Sandra Goodes

15:36

stated that Hughes was the

15:38

first of the retaliation murders.

15:41

On the 8th of November,

15:43

1972, The body of 26-year-old

15:45

Vietnam Marine combat veteran James

15:48

L.T. Willett was found by

15:50

a hiker near Gurnevillek. California.

15:52

Months earlier, he had been

15:54

forced to dig his own

15:57

grave and then was shot

15:59

and poorly buried. His body

16:01

was found with the one

16:04

hand protruding from the grave

16:06

and the head and other

16:08

hand missing, likely because of

16:11

scavenging animals. His station wagon

16:13

was found outside a house

16:15

in Stockton, where several Manson

16:18

followers were living. including Priscilla

16:20

Cooper, Lynette Squaky From, and

16:22

Nancy Pittman. Police forced their

16:24

way into the house and

16:27

arrested several of the people

16:29

there, along with From, who

16:31

called the house after they

16:34

had arrived. The body of

16:36

James Willett's 19-year-old wife, Lauren

16:38

Rennie Chaval Olmsted Willett, was

16:41

found buried in the basement.

16:43

She had been killed very

16:45

recently by a gunshot to

16:48

the head. in what the

16:50

family members initially claimed was

16:52

an accident. It was later

16:55

suggested that she was killed

16:57

out of fear that she

16:59

would reveal who killed her

17:01

husband, as the discovery of

17:04

his body had become prominent

17:06

news. The Willett's infant daughter

17:08

was found alive in the

17:11

house. Michael Montfort pled guilty

17:13

to murdering Rennie Willett and

17:15

Patricia Cooper, James Craig. and

17:18

Nancy Whitman pled guilty as

17:20

accessories after the fact. Montfort

17:22

and William Goucher later pled

17:25

guilty to the murder of

17:27

James Willett, and James Craig

17:29

pled guilty as an accessory

17:31

after the fact. The group

17:34

had been living in the

17:36

house with Willets while committing

17:38

various robberies. Shortly after killing

17:41

Willett, Montfort had used Willets'

17:43

identification papers. to pose as

17:45

Willett after being arrested in

17:48

an armed robbery of a

17:50

liquor store. News reports suggested

17:52

that James Willett was not

17:55

involved in the robberies and

17:57

wanted to move away and

17:59

was killed out of fair

18:01

that he would talk to

18:04

police. After leaving the Marines,

18:06

following two tours in Vietnam,

18:08

will it have been an

18:11

ESL teacher for immigrant children.

18:13

Each of these individuals had

18:15

lives filled with aspirations, personal

18:18

histories, and dreams that were

18:20

forever altered by their encounters

18:22

with the Manson family. Protracted

18:27

proceedings to extradite Watson

18:29

from his native Texas,

18:31

where he had resettled

18:33

a month before his

18:35

arrest, resulted in his

18:37

being tried separately. The

18:39

trial commenced in August

18:41

1971. By October, he

18:43

too had been found

18:45

guilty on seven counts

18:47

of murder and one

18:49

of conspiracy. Unlike the

18:51

others, Watson had presented

18:53

a psychiatric defense. Prosecutor

18:55

Vincent Bugliose. made short

18:57

work of Watson's insanity

18:59

claims. Like his co-conspirators,

19:01

Watson was sentenced to

19:03

death. As with Manson,

19:05

his sentence was eventually

19:07

commuted to life in

19:09

prison. While behind bars,

19:11

Tex Watson has tried

19:13

to change his image

19:15

quite dramatically. From the

19:17

ultimate bad boy killer

19:19

hippie to one of

19:21

being a clean-cut all-American

19:23

born-again-again Christian. Tex

19:26

Watson's prison ministry, known

19:28

as Abounding Love Ministries,

19:30

has been one of

19:32

the more controversial and

19:35

debated aspects of his

19:37

life post-conviction. Watson founded

19:39

Abounding Love Ministries in

19:41

1980, while incarcerated at

19:43

the California Men's Colony.

19:45

The primary aim of

19:47

the ministry is to

19:49

spread Christian teachings among

19:52

inmates, offering spiritual guidance.

19:54

and helping prisoners find

19:56

redemption through faith. Watson

19:58

believes in the power

20:00

of transformation through Christianity,

20:02

drawing from his own

20:04

experience of conversion in

20:07

1975. Watson has led

20:09

Bible study groups, preached

20:11

sermons, and conducted baptisms

20:13

within the prison system.

20:15

His ministry seeks to

20:17

connect Christian prisoners with

20:19

believers on the outside

20:22

for support, pen pal

20:24

correspondence, and spiritual mentorship.

20:26

The ministry produces various

20:28

publications, like newsletters, books

20:30

written by Watson, and

20:32

audio recordings of his

20:34

sermons. Notable among these

20:37

are the book, Will

20:39

You Die For Me,

20:41

its autobiography, detailing his

20:43

life before, during, and

20:45

after his crimes, and

20:47

subsequent spiritual journey. And

20:49

the leaflet Charles Watson

20:52

speaks out, where he

20:54

discusses his faith and

20:56

ministry. Abounding

20:58

Love Ministries maintains a website

21:00

where visitors can find resources,

21:03

read Watson's writings, listen to

21:05

his sermons and learn about

21:08

the ministry's work. It's a

21:10

platform for outreach, allowing Watson

21:12

to connect with a broader

21:15

audience beyond prison walls. There

21:17

have been accusations in the

21:20

past that Watson used ministry

21:22

funds for personal benefits. Investigations

21:25

were conducted. but no conclusive

21:27

evidence of wrongdoing was found

21:29

that led to legal action.

21:32

At one point, Watson was

21:34

accused of abusing his position

21:37

as an assistant chaplain at

21:39

California Men's Colony to enforce

21:41

discipline against inmates who opposed

21:44

his teachings or methods, though

21:46

these claims also did not

21:49

result in formal charges. The

21:51

idea of a convicted murderer

21:53

running a ministry has been

21:56

a point of contention. Many

21:58

question whether Watson's ministry is

22:01

genuine. wine, repentance, or a

22:03

means to manipulate parole proceedings,

22:05

giving his multiple denied parole

22:08

hearings. Watson has garnered support

22:10

from some religious communities who

22:13

believe in the transformative power

22:15

of faith. Rosemary Labianca's daughter,

22:17

Suzanne Strudders, once supported his

22:20

ministry, believing in his change

22:22

of heart, though this support

22:25

was not unanimous among the

22:27

victims' among the victims' families.

22:31

There are testimonials from

22:33

inmates who claim Watson's ministry

22:35

as positively impacted their lives,

22:38

helping them find a path

22:40

to redemption or at

22:42

least a way to

22:44

cope with their incarceration

22:46

through faith. As of the

22:49

latest information, Tex Watson remains

22:51

actively involved in his

22:53

ministry from Richard J.

22:55

Donovan Correctional Facility in

22:57

San Diego, where he was

23:00

transferred in 2017. Despite his

23:02

ongoing imprisonment, he continues

23:04

to preach, write and

23:06

engage with his ministry's

23:08

work, maintaining that his life's

23:11

purpose now is to serve

23:13

God and help others

23:15

find faith. That being

23:17

said, Watson still has

23:19

a parole hearing coming up

23:22

in 2026. As of this

23:24

recording Leslie Van Houghton

23:26

is a free woman.

23:28

After serving over 50

23:30

years in prison, Leslie Van

23:33

Houghton was granted parole and

23:35

released on the 11th

23:37

of July, 2023. She

23:39

is now living in

23:41

a halfway house in California,

23:44

adjusting to life outside of

23:46

prison. I would not recommend

23:49

seeking her out. Patricia

23:51

Cranwinkle remains in prison

23:53

at the California Institution

23:55

for Women. Cranwinkle has been

23:57

denied parole multiple times. With

24:00

her most recent denial

24:02

in 2022, where Governor...

24:04

for Gavin Newsom, reversed

24:06

the parole board's decision. She

24:09

is California's longest-serving female prisoner.

24:11

Bobby Bozoleil is serving

24:13

a life sentence at

24:15

the California Medical Facility

24:17

in Vecchaville for the murder

24:20

of Gary Hinman. Despite parole

24:22

recommendations, his releases have

24:24

been blocked by previous

24:26

governors. Lynette Squaky From

24:28

was released on parole from

24:31

federal prison in August 2009,

24:33

after serving 34 years

24:35

for attempting to assassinate

24:37

President General Ford. She

24:39

reportedly lives in Marcy New

24:42

York and has expressed that

24:44

she still loves Manson.

24:46

Hopefully, her advanced age

24:48

hinders her from causing

24:50

additional mayhem. Susan

24:53

Atkins died of brain

24:55

cancer on the 24th

24:57

of September 2009 while

25:00

serving her life sentence.

25:02

Linda Kasabian, who was

25:04

granted immunity for her

25:06

testimony against Manson and

25:08

others, passed away on

25:10

the 21st of January

25:13

2019. She lived a

25:15

relatively quiet life after

25:17

the trials, avoiding the

25:19

spotlight. Steve

25:21

Clem Grogan was paroled in

25:24

1985, after serving 15 years

25:26

for the murder of Donald

25:29

Shortishay. She now lives in

25:31

the California Bay Area, reportedly

25:34

working as a musician. I

25:36

have not heard any of

25:39

his work, and intend not

25:41

to. Mari Brunner was convicted

25:44

for her role in the

25:46

Hinman murder, but received immunity

25:49

for her immunity for her

25:51

Brenner was later convicted of

25:54

robbery and served time. She

25:56

was paroled in 1977 and

25:59

has since lived a... private

26:01

life, hopefully, on the correct

26:04

side of the law. As

26:06

you probably know, Charles Manson

26:09

was never released, and although

26:11

the scope of his involvement

26:14

in the Tate-Labianca murders can

26:16

be debated, he was no

26:19

saint. In the 1980s, Manson

26:21

gave three notable interviews. The

26:24

first recorded at California Medical

26:26

Facility and erred on the

26:29

13th of June 1981, was

26:31

by Tom Snyder for NBC's

26:33

The Tomorrow Show. The second,

26:36

recorded at San Quentin Prison,

26:38

and aired on the 7th

26:41

of March, 1986, was by

26:43

Charlie Rose for CBS News

26:46

Nightwatch. It won the National

26:48

News Emmy Award for Best

26:51

Interview in 1987. The last,

26:53

with Geraldo Rivera in 1988,

26:56

was part of that journalist's

26:58

prime time special on Satanism.

27:01

At least as early as

27:03

the Snyder interview, Manson's forehead

27:06

bore a swanstaker in the

27:08

spot where the ex-carved during

27:11

his trial had been. In

27:13

1989, Nicholas Shrek conducted an

27:16

interview of Manson cutting the

27:18

interview up for material in

27:21

his documentary Charles Manson Superstar.

27:23

This was the first and

27:26

is considered one of the

27:28

most authoritative and comprehensive documentaries

27:31

on the subject. Shrek concluded

27:33

that a story behind the

27:36

murders was probably false and

27:38

that an admitted plan by

27:41

several of the women at

27:43

the ranch interviewed after the

27:46

trial was concluded. involving killing

27:48

the people at the Tate

27:51

home in order to free

27:53

Bobby Boseleil, as per an

27:56

attempt to copycat the murder

27:58

of Gary Hindman. According

28:01

to this, the use of

28:03

writings of blood on the

28:05

walls at the Tate and

28:07

Labianca residences was merely a

28:09

ploy to make it seem

28:11

that a murderer of Hindman

28:13

was still free and that

28:15

Posa Lail was not guilty.

28:17

Key in his refutation of

28:19

the hypotheses was the fact

28:22

that while the prosecution attempted

28:24

to show Manson ordered the

28:26

killings because he was upset

28:28

over Terry Melcher, and believed

28:30

Melcher to still be at

28:32

that address, this could certainly

28:34

not have been the case,

28:36

as Manson attempted on several

28:38

occasions to contact Melcher at

28:40

his new address, showing he

28:42

knew very well Melcher no

28:45

longer lived at the Tate

28:47

home. Shrek also concluded that

28:49

Manson was not insane, but

28:51

merely acting that way, out

28:53

of frustration. On

28:55

the 25th of September

28:57

1984, while imprisoned at

28:59

the California Medical Facility

29:02

at Vacaville, Manson was

29:04

severely burned by a

29:06

fellow inmate who poured

29:08

paint thinner on him

29:10

and set him alight.

29:12

The other prisoner, Jan

29:14

Holmstrom, explained that Manson

29:16

had objected to his

29:18

Hara Krishna chance and

29:20

had verbally threatened him.

29:22

Despite suffering second and

29:24

third degree burns over

29:26

20% of his body,

29:28

Manson recovered from his

29:30

injuries. In January in

29:32

1996, a Manson website

29:34

was established by latter

29:36

day Manson follower George

29:38

Simpson, who was helped

29:40

by Sandra Good. Good

29:42

had been released from

29:44

prison in 1985, after

29:46

serving 10 years of

29:48

her 15 sentence for

29:50

the death threats. The

29:52

Manson website atwa.com was

29:54

discontinued in 2001. In

29:57

June 1997, Manson was

29:59

found to have been

30:01

trafficking in drugs by

30:03

a prison disciplinary committee.

30:05

That August, he was

30:07

moved from Corcoran State

30:09

Prison to Pelican Bay

30:11

State Prison. On the

30:13

5th of September 2007,

30:15

MS NBC aired The

30:17

Mind of Manson, a

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complete version of a

30:21

1987 interview at California

30:23

San Quentin State Prison.

30:25

The footage. of the

30:27

unshackled, unapologic and unruly

30:29

mansion had been considered

30:31

so unbelievable that only

30:33

seven minutes of it

30:35

had originally been broadcast

30:37

on the Today Show

30:39

for which it had

30:41

been originally recorded. In

30:43

November 2009 a Los

30:45

Angeles DJ and songwriter

30:47

named Matthew Roberts released

30:49

correspondence and other evidence

30:52

indicating He had been

30:54

biologically fathered by Manson.

30:56

Robert's biological mother claims

30:58

to have been a

31:00

member of the Manson

31:02

family, who left in

31:04

the summer of 1967

31:06

after being raped by

31:08

Manson. The mother returned

31:10

to her parents' home

31:12

to complete the pregnancy,

31:14

gave birth on the

31:16

22nd of March 1968,

31:18

and subsequently gave up

31:20

Robert's for adoption. has

31:22

stated that he could

31:24

be the father, acknowledging

31:26

the biological mother and

31:28

a sexual relationship with

31:30

her during 1967. This

31:32

was nearly two years

31:34

before the family began

31:36

its murderous phase. In

31:38

2010, the Los Angeles

31:40

Times reported that Manson

31:42

was caught with a

31:44

cell phone in 2009

31:47

and had contacted people

31:49

in California, New Jersey,

31:51

New Jersey, Florida and

31:53

British Columbia in Canada.

31:55

A spokesperson for the

31:57

California Department. of corrections

31:59

stated that it was

32:01

not known if Manson

32:03

had used the phone

32:05

for criminal purposes. Manson

32:07

was known for numerous

32:09

infractions throughout his nearly

32:11

five decades in prison.

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He accrued over 100

32:15

rules violations, which included

32:17

assault, possession of weapons,

32:19

threatening staff, possession of

32:21

contraband like cell phones,

32:23

and attempting to cause

32:25

chaos. For instance, he

32:27

was reported to have

32:29

spat in guard's faces,

32:31

thrown hot coffee at

32:33

a prison staffer, started

32:35

fights, tried to cause

32:37

floods, and even set

32:39

his mattress on fire.

32:41

There were also several

32:44

incidents suggesting Manson might

32:46

have been planning escapes.

32:48

In 1982, at the

32:50

California Medical Facility in

32:52

Vacaville, guards found a

32:54

Haxo blade. marijuana, LSD,

32:56

nylon rope and a

32:58

catalog indicating how to

33:00

purchase a hot air

33:02

balloon in his cell.

33:04

Another time, in 1985,

33:06

he attempted to smuggle

33:08

a Hackso blade into

33:10

San Quentin hidden in

33:12

the soul of his

33:14

shoe. Masen's prison life

33:16

was marked by his

33:18

inability to conform to

33:20

any societal norms, even

33:22

within the confines of

33:24

the penal system. His

33:26

actions were a continuation

33:28

of his life's pattern

33:30

of seeking attention and

33:32

control, making him one

33:34

of the most notorious

33:36

and problematic inmates in

33:39

California's prison history. Charles

33:41

Manson died on the

33:43

19th of November 2019

33:45

of natural causes related

33:47

to acute cardiac arrest,

33:49

resulting from respiratory failure

33:51

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33:53

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33:55

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