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malam . Terima kasih

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kerana mempunyai

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saya .

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Bagus untuk kembali ke dalam keadaan yang sering . Kali

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terakhir saya berada di sini , saya berada di sisi lain konsol

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, tetapi sekarang saya berada

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di tempat panas , jadi mari kita menjaga Fakta

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bahawa anda berada di tempat panas .

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Herman meng have done over the past couple

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of years and kudos to you , congratulations

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to you my friend , and let's

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talk a little bit about Lao before we start talking

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and go in-depth into you , your coaching life

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and your coach developer life . Right

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, how has the holidays been

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? This is like . What is this ? Is it a two weeks

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holiday break ?

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It's a two weeks holiday break because my wife

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is away so I got to do my daddy duty . So

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I take this opportunity To come

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back And , you know , reconnect with

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friends And family And I think it's really

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important . You know Being

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away from Family

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and friends , so to come back , i think it's always

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refreshing And I think It's a way for

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me To rejuvenate myself as well . So , to

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hit the last part of the year , Let's talk

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about something .

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Irwan , how much of weight did you lose

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?

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We cannot mention what weight , but

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I think it's substantial amount . I

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think it's for the better . Now I

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think almost 20-25 kg

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, wow , just by staying in Laos

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.

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Brilliant man ? No , no , listen , i think you look good . You look

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? No , no , listen , i think you look good , you look healthy , You look great

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, and I think we

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won't go on about the weight thing . But

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I tell you , listeners and people

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at home just has to share a little bit of his secret

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. Cut down on the sugar and the coke . Yeah

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, the coke . I think that's important Now

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, okay . So how does this work ? So you go out

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there And how long will you be there ? And then

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you come back . So the breaks are how

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frequent ?

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So normally I try to be there For about 2-3

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months . And then I come back And

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, like I said again , to

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come back with the family and what not . So

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that's the plan , because there's a lot of work to be

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done as well . So to come back regularly

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also Is not

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feasible . So what I try to do is to At untuk kembali secara regular juga . Tidak

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boleh Jadi . Apa yang saya cuba lakukan ialah sekurang-kurangnya

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kembali setiap 2-3 bulan . Jadi apabila ada

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acara penting dan perkara-perkara seperti itu

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, saya cuba untuk berada di luar .

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Selain keluarga , apa yang awak rindukan paling .

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Wah , saya rasa , kawan-kawan , makanan , saya

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rasa ia sangat . Anda mengambil keputusan untuk meng . I think it's very You take things for

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granted , how easy things

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That you can find in Singapore . But

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, like I said again , but more importantly I think , the love

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of the family And , of course , friends . So

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that's the main thing That I miss , nice

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, nice .

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Now , herman , you know , did

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you ever imagine Let's

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say What 15 years

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ago , 20 years ago , when you probably

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first Started out coaching That one day You would be in a foreign ? 15 tahun

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lepas , 20 tahun lepas , ketika anda mungkin mula memulakan coaching yang suatu hari anda

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akan berada di tanah luar dan

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berpanggilan untuk pelatih

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di bawah anda dan

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untuk generasi pelatih di

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Laos , sama

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seperti di Asia , mungkin . Jadi , adakah anda pernah berfikir tentangnya dan berpikir , untuk jujur

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, saya rasa , as in Asia , perhaps , right , so have you ? did you ever think about it and go back and think , hmm

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, to be fair , i think it's .

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I never imagined that it would be like this . Perhaps

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whenever you become a coach right , there's

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deep down that you want to try out to

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work in a foreign land or to to

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take a team in a top league

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kind of thing . But I've never

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imagined that one day I would come to

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Laos specifically to

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do this coach education thingy

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. But I think it's been amazing

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journey . I wouldn't trade it for anything

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in the world . So if you ask

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me to go back , then I think this is something

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that I think that I would love to

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do , beautiful now were you always

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a football person ?

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Like growing up You

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talk about Playing in primary school Or secondary

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school Or whatever Were you always a football person ?

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I think , growing up Just like any other boys

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Growing up in the 80s , 90s . You

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know We are ball block .

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Player , you know .

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Boy deck , basketball court , futsal

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court All we play All day long Until your

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mum Shout your name From the top floor

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. You know that Your mum is angry Whenever

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she call Your full name , so that is the time

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To go back . But yeah , right from young

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I was Very interested

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in football , but

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I've never made it To top level

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football . When you say top level Means what

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I never played in the S-League

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Or national team Kind of thing . Perhaps

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I wasn't good enough And

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Yeah . But If you ask me the interest , wow

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, it was always there . I was always Interested

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in football , watching football , you know . So

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that's what Make me happy .

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If I can remember right , you're a Liverpool fan .

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Big Liverpool fan .

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Yeah .

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Yeah , but Yeah , who were your seorang penggemar Liverpool

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?

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yang besar , ya , tapi Siapa adalah hero anda ? Hero Liverpool , anda ?

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Semasa saya berkembang , saya menjadi pembinaan .

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Robby . Jadi saya rasa itu adalah cara yang dia menang

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.

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Dan saya rasa itu sangat luar biasa .

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Jadi saya rasa Awak ingat

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ketika saya pertama kali bertemu dengan

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anda dan sebagainya . Bukan , Saya rasa saya memanggil anda John

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Barnes Kerana Ya , bahagian and what not . I think I called

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you John Barnes because of the

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physical part you

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know , this is the part where

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I think it relates to the coaching and I

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don't know the transition part . When

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you were playing , maybe in primary school or

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secondary school or whatever , did

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you have an eye for tactics

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, maybe , and maybe the leadership

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part ? you know , maybe you were not the

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best of players , you know and we've seen a lot of that

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, you know , not the best of players didn't make

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it to the , to the EPL or whatever , but

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they've got this thing for tactics , maybe

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, the , the , the thirst

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for knowledge , and maybe the leadership part , the communicating

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part . Did you think that you had that ? just

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looking back ?

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Not looking back ? Maybe yes

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, Because you know I was the one who will

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, you know , gather friends . Eh , okay

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, 3pm we play at this court , you know

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, and then whenever we go , then I will try

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to organise the teams and whatnot . Maybe

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some people say the year-year-old type of guy lah

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, So , but I don't know . Maybe

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, looking back , that's part of the

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grounding that I have , that making me interested

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in football coaching

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as well .

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Did tactics come to you easily ? I'm talking about when

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you were playing , like maybe a coach says , okay

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, you are in the back four and

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talking about travelling with the defence and moving

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and shifting and whatever . Did it come easily

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In terms of You know , grasping The

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understanding , the understanding ?

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So even from a young age I was more

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interested in this . When I watch Football

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games I was always very interested

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To see The tactical aspect

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of it . So I think that bug I got

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very , very early , but I never

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would imagine That one day I would work As

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a football coach .

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So let's talk about The coaching part then . Right , how

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did the journey start , like , what made

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you Then think Okay , and

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what , at what stage And what age ?

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Like I said again , i didn't play At a very high

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level , but the interest of football Was always

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there .

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Yeah .

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So after School , of football was always there . So after school

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I I sign up to be a policeman because

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, I . I didn't go to NS , so I

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sign up to be a policeman . It's it's

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interesting because one day I was doing at the

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counter the NPP

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counter there's a complainant .

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He was complain about something

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so I was lodging the police report , so

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you were regular , regular then

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, out of the blue , he say Eh , why

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don't you take a coaching course Then ? I say Eh what

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, this guy random man . How is that possible ? I

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don't know . Maybe he is godsend or

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what I don't know .

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But random Coaching course .

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No lah , because I never play high level Cannot

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.

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No , no , no . You just Who is this guy ? I Siapa lelaki ini ?

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Saya tidak tahu .

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Sekarang anda bertanya kepada saya . Saya juga lupa siapa dia , tapi sekarang

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anda bertanya Itu adalah cara ia bermula . Jadi kemudian

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Saya berfikir Okeylah , saya mula mencari , saya

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mencari lebih banyak tentang ini . Kemudian FAS Ada

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kursus pengajian , jadi saya mula dengan mudah .

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Sejak berapa umur 21

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.

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Saya sudah melakukan diploma C Or

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what not . So Okay , i didn't Become

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top player , but That

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time when people play Top football Was

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the time I used To do my

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football license And gain my experience

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, so I think it works out Well

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. Lah , which year was this ? It was 2021

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, so I was Age 21

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, i took my Not

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2021 , no 2001

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, 2001 , 2001 . I

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took my What do you call that ? Prelim

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.

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Last time right 2023 .

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I took my 2003

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. 2003 . 2003

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, my maths Koyak je 2003

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. I took my

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.

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Right .

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No 2021 , i took my

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C license , then 2026 , i took with you

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B diploma . Yes , interesting , so when you were Taking your licenses , right ? No 2021 .

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I took my C license . Then , 2026 , i took with you B diploma . Yes , yes , yes , interesting . So when you were

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Taking your licenses Right And you talk

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, obviously we had the instructors They call it the instructors

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Then , instead of the Coach developers . Then

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Who were your instructors From C to A ? Do you

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remember ?

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Okay , prelim it was

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Bashe . So wow , i was

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quite inspired from that , and then I do C

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. C , it was Wow

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. I think B

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is Kade Kade . I think

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C is Wow , it's a good question No .

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C is Surya

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, and Oh , okay , mike Wong

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, i think , and your A .

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My A was Mike Wong . I

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did in Singapore , but I actually failed That

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A in Singapore Right Then I went to Philippines . Saya berjaya di Singapura , tapi saya benar-benar

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gagal di Singapura . Kemudian

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saya pergi ke Filipina dan saya berjaya

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di Filipina .

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Baik , Jadi kita bercakap tentang perjalanan anda dari C ke A dan

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semua pengertian yang anda

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ambil . Apa

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adalah cabaran anda ? Adakah ia mudah Hanya

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melihat ke belakang dan adakah ia berbisik ? What were the challenges ? Was it easy Just looking back And you know ?

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Was it a breeze or I

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don't think it's a breeze . Like I said again , there's

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still this stigma That okay , if you don't play the game

11:13

, it will Make

11:16

it a bit harder to you , and I . I think

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it's . It's a fair comment , you know , because

11:21

If you are ex-player

11:23

, you have Advantage

11:25

in terms of Your playing ability

11:27

. You have already access to To

11:30

coaching style . And top coaching

11:32

and what not , right ? Well , i have to start

11:34

from From literally ground zero

11:36

, right ? So I think .

11:37

But it's not so bad , because you did play for school . It's

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not so bad , but it's still .

11:42

Nowhere near National players and what

11:44

not , not So , but I never Want to

11:46

take it As a disadvantage , so got

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to Keep on working hard Grinding To

11:53

get the results .

11:53

And what not ?

11:54

So that's why , if you see my , my

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Coaching journey , the

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gap is Quite big In between

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.

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Licenses , so I .

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It's not like CBA , within 5 years , no , gapnya agak besar Di antara Licenser . Jadi I'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm , i'm

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You . You Learn from somebody

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. So I think then That's where you get the wholesome

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Education , part

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of it .

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Listen , i like what you say . There's two points that I Picked

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up from here And obviously , because I'm a coach developer

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, i'm a coach as well And I played the game as well . So

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there are a few things That's so so Important

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that I picked up From there . Number one The

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debate , the ongoing debate . It's Not

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only because you have

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been a good player you can be a coach , but

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it's important that the football

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knowledge is already there And the finer details

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Technically , then I think you have an advantage

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, but looking at the flip

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side , not all

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footballers are great communicators

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, are great educators

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. That's the part where they need

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to make the jump , exactly Because

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that's not easy . You know , if you think And

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people watching , i've seen so many , we've seen so many

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Footballers Going for courses And I

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say , Okay , we've

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got a problem In terms of that Communicating

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Or trying to put across something . So that's a very

13:28

good point . The next point We

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talk about Is That's we talk

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about is that's ?

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C to .

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B to A . You made a very good

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point and I think , in a way

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, you know it depends on what

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you do and your experiences . Right , it

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shouldn't be C . After one year you do your

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B , after one year you do your A , you're collecting certificates

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. You're collecting certificates is one , and I

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think you're getting a free pass at whatever . It shouldn't be the way . I think you're getting a free pass At whatever

13:52

. It shouldn't be the way , correct

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, you know , because There should be A , c And

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then you Go under , maybe

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a tutelage . Or a mentor And then You

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make the jump Because it's not easy , right , correct . Now

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the next question is How important is having a mentor

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After , for example , you do your C , so

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you get that license . So what then ? Because

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a lot of coaches Are lost In between

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. So what happens then ?

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So I think this is Just to

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go back Slightly right . Firstly , i don't

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think There should be Right

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or wrong , whether you are ex-player . Or you are not So

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that , and I think a lot of Non-player

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Also become very defensive . Oh

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no lah , just because you , you

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know You ex-player Doesn't mean , but

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I think you should also Embrace that You

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never play . You say you never play Why you want to

14:38

be embarrassed About it , right So ? but now

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What is next is that You

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gain your knowledge From Many

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, many different sources . And one of the sources Whereby

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you want to gain knowledge Is from Mentorship

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, by observation And , i

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think , similar to playing , whereby

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It's skill acquisition To

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get that Ability to play At

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the top level . To be a coach Is also

15:01

a form of Skill acquisition , alright . So

15:04

it's important . When you talk about Skill acquisition , time

15:07

must be invested , and this is where I

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said that To be a good Coach

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, you need to invest time . So after you do C

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, then you do go and coaching at

15:15

an appropriate level . So , even though there's no mentor

15:17

, but the fact that you're out there coaching every

15:20

day , the environment , become your mentor . But

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of course , it's good if you have somebody who's willing

15:25

to guide you , willing to share

15:27

knowledge with you . So then , after that , you take your

15:29

B , then you go to the next level . So

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it's kind of Scale folding . Your learning

15:33

And your experience . And I think this is Very

15:36

, very important And , like I said again , your

15:38

ability To reflect

15:40

Is It's It's

15:42

so important That if you are

15:45

Unable to reflect , then I think You

15:47

can come under Pep Guardiola Or

15:49

Moreno But You just see , but

15:51

nothing actually Come into your brain

15:53

. But you know , but you just see , but nothing actually come into your brain . But , like I said again , don't

15:56

rush , because if you rush , you

15:58

get found out as well suddenly you got A diploma

16:01

but you cannot even do a proper annual

16:03

periodization , then how does it reflect

16:05

on you ? right , and I think I was

16:07

thankful to the coaches

16:10

that I've worked alongside . I've worked alongside

16:12

Saswa Akbar , so To the coaches that I've worked , alongside . I've worked alongside

16:14

Saswa Akbar , so , and being

16:16

an assistant coach , you get the front seat of

16:18

learning Right . You see what they

16:20

do daily , day in , day out , and

16:22

the things that they do good , oh , this

16:25

is what I can do . The

16:27

thing that they make mistake , oh , you can also pick up from this . So I think

16:29

this is , like I said , an important

16:31

journey , seperti yang saya katakan , perjalanan

16:34

yang penting yang , sebagai seorang

16:36

pelatih , anda tidak boleh mengelaknya . Jadi , saya

16:38

rasa , ketika anda bercakap tentang mentor , tidak

16:40

sahaja mentor untuk bercakap , tetapi mentor

16:42

dalam hal yang berkaitan dengan siapa yang anda

16:45

bekerja dengan .

16:46

Saya rasa itu sama penting . Ya , saya rasa itu adalah

16:48

poin yang sangat baik yang anda bawa tentang lingkungan juga

16:50

. Itu juga boleh menjadi mentor anda . Bukan Apa What's happening , But I think it's very

16:52

important That you have to see And

16:54

evaluate things On your own as well . And

16:57

going back to mentors Who were your mentors

16:59

And when I say mentors Guys , people

17:01

And coaches watching at home It's not like A

17:04

mentor means Someone you have to go through

17:06

And it's like A done deal . Okay , you are

17:08

my mentor .

17:08

You know It's like Shake hands and say , can you be my mentor , like shake hands

17:10

and say can you be my mentor ?

17:12

Ya , it's like , you know , informal

17:14

learning , where you think , wah , this guy is good , i'm going to take

17:16

something you know from him And then I take something

17:18

from him . Just going back to your

17:20

coaching journey , right , who were your mentors

17:22

?

17:23

I got to say that a lot of people came

17:26

into my footballing life And I

17:28

think who you mix

17:30

around is just as important Of Mix around Is just as important

17:32

, of course , because they are the , the people who will shape Your ideas

17:34

of football . Then you can bounce off ideas And what not . But

17:37

I've got to say Slobodan

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Palkovic Really really have A

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huge impact on me .

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He was , by the way , the Former

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TD Right FES , so I

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think he Inspired a generation Of coaches

17:50

. What was good about him ?

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I think the fact that he took a more hands-on approach to coach

17:57

learning . So he conducted

17:59

the coaches morning

18:01

weekly . You

18:04

can say whatever is the book that

18:06

he developed

18:08

. But , like I said , all coaches have different

18:11

ideas . It's about how you put it together , and

18:13

I had the opportunity actually to work as his assistant for a year . Coaches Have different ideas . It's about how you put it

18:15

Together , so , and I had the opportunity Actually to work As his assistant

18:17

For For a year

18:19

, so I think that's That's Really

18:21

shaped me To be The

18:23

coach that I

18:25

am today . Yeah , nice , nice .

18:28

Now let's Let's talk about The

18:30

coach Or the teams That you coached

18:32

before . You know , and What

18:35

were the teams and level

18:37

that you coached before .

18:38

So in terms of level is I've

18:40

coached from grassroots all the way to professional

18:43

teams . I've coached children , women's

18:46

team , school team , so I've coached the whole works

18:48

. But in terms of more professional

18:51

one , i did the COE , so

18:53

I think that's mandatory . I Or more professional , i did the COE , so I think that's Mandatory

18:55

. I think if you want to be , to learn your ropes As a

18:57

coach , i think That plays a huge

18:59

Part in my development . I

19:02

was in Sengkang Punggol And then I became

19:04

The prime lead coach In Sengkang Punggol as well

19:07

. I was

19:09

the coach For Woodlands Wellington , back then COE

19:12

, and then I was the prime

19:14

league coach and assistant athletic coach for

19:16

Warriors . This is

19:18

interesting because growing up I was a big fan

19:21

of SFFC , you know so

19:23

and it was like wow

19:25

, suddenly you you get to

19:27

coach the team that you supported

19:30

. So that was , i think , one of the highlights

19:32

in in my career . And then I

19:34

alsoangan Tampines Rovers

19:37

Prime League

19:39

, assistant to S League dan juga pasukan wanita . Jadi

19:42

saya rasa dan paling

19:44

baru , saya adalah pengadakan kepala

19:46

pasukan wanita Laos Kami

19:48

pergi ke Pertama . Pertama . Jadi , sekali

19:50

lagi , saya mempunyai pelbagai pengalaman , tapi mungkin tidak mempunyai apa-apa

19:52

. So again , i have a variety of Experience

19:54

, but maybe Not master of anything

19:56

.

19:56

But no , no , i think that That experience

19:59

Will help you a lot To deal

20:01

with people , different kinds of people , at different

20:03

levels as well , you know , and it's networking

20:05

as well , and From

20:08

all those , and even the assistant coach For

20:10

the Tanjong Pagar side .

20:11

Just a couple . Yeah , yeah , i

20:13

miss that . I was the assistant coach untuk tanjong pangga . Ya , saya rindu .

20:14

Saya juga pelatih , asisten beberapa tahun lepas ada

20:17

sebuah kegemaran di bawah yang

20:19

boleh anda fikirkan . Mungkin beberapa , saya tidak tahu

20:21

, atau mungkin satu , jika anda

20:23

bertanya , saya

20:26

berfikir kepada yang

20:28

saya .

20:29

Saya adalah pelatih C-game untuk Laos . Itu game

20:31

coach for the Laos is really big highlight

20:34

to be a national coach bringing team

20:36

to a . C game you know , and there was

20:38

one game , the last game we actually played against Singapore

20:40

. So I think that was , i think

20:42

, a really good highlight

20:45

to my coaching journey

20:47

. It takes quite

20:49

a long year before I finally take a senior

20:52

team but Sebelum saya mengambil Pasukan senior . Tapi

20:54

, seperti yang saya katakan , selangkah-langkah Saya belajar

20:56

banyak . Tapi , seperti yang saya katakan , ini Dan tentu

20:59

saja Penampilan saya Mencari Warriors

21:02

FC . Itu Adalah pengalaman

21:04

Bagus .

21:04

Pernahkahan . Ada masa yang mengecewakan . Anda fikir Hanya di atas kepala

21:07

.

21:10

Sekarang Anda fikir As a coach . I

21:13

think you always Be

21:16

controlled by Results

21:18

. You know , When you Lose

21:21

You always feel Terrible

21:24

And I think I

21:26

have my fair share of losses . But Now

21:29

, on hindsight , i wouldn't want to say There

21:31

is any great disappointment , because I think

21:33

that Every single moment , whether I win , doesn't mean that I'm the any great

21:35

disappointment , because I think that every single moment , whether I win , doesn't mean that

21:37

I'm the best coach and when I lose I'm the worst coach . So I

21:39

always have this in me that I

21:42

will always reflecting on myself how

21:44

can I improve ? and I think it's been there

21:46

all along and I I

21:49

think you cannot ever say that if you are working

21:51

in football , something that you enjoy , that's

21:53

a disappointing moment . You cannot . You are

21:56

blessed that you wake up , you

21:58

talk football , you mix around with footballers

22:00

, you enjoy the game , you

22:04

get paid for it , and I think you can never say that there's

22:06

any moment that

22:08

you regret or disappoint . I

22:10

think you'll be ungrateful if you say that There you go , guys . You . I think You are ungrateful

22:13

If you say that .

22:14

There you go , guys . You know , i think that's Gratitude

22:17

as well , blessed that you are actually , or

22:19

you actually love What you are doing .

22:21

Yes , And you never work For a day of

22:23

your life , right You ? are just thinking that Oh

22:25

, everyday I am like You know the balls , the grass

22:27

, the smell of the grass , you know .

22:29

It's wonderful Coach developing

22:33

And it used to be called A coach

22:35

instructor , so now

22:37

it's coach developer They call it . Now

22:39

, how important is the coach Or the role

22:42

of a coach developer ?

22:44

I think it's Massive , because

22:47

you are the multipliers . You are responsible

22:50

To develop coaches

22:52

Who will have a big impact

22:54

On the players

22:56

. So I think you need to

22:58

do this right . So , as a coach developer

23:01

, you need

23:03

to have a good understanding of football , you

23:05

need to be able to communicate your ideas and

23:07

you need to groom the

23:10

coaches so that when they go out on

23:12

the field , they can really contribute , because if I fail in my role , then the result is going to be

23:14

So that When they go out On the field , they can really contribute , because if I fail in my

23:16

role , then The result

23:18

Is going to be You know , can be seen

23:21

Down the road . So I think that's .

23:23

Responsibility wise , it's huge

23:26

. Isn't it And , yeah , it's

23:28

very , it's a given . The responsibility is huge , but

23:30

it's everything else Because Take

23:32

it or leave it . You are a role model , tapi itu adalah segala-galanya , kerana , ambil atau lepaskan , kamu adalah

23:34

model , rol Dalam setiap maksud , dalam panggilan , dalam panggilan

23:37

. Itu sangat penting , apa yang kamu lakukan , apa yang kamu katakan , apa yang

23:39

kamu katakan Di media

23:41

sosial .

23:42

Itu sangat penting .

23:43

Bila perjalanan kamu Mula dalam perjalanan Pembangunan

23:46

koc ini .

23:49

Saya rasa . So I had a sting in FAS

23:52

, i did the JCOE . So

23:54

I think one day Coach Jita actually say

23:57

Okay , we sending you to Kuala Lumpur To

23:59

do a FIFA coach developer course . So , That

24:01

was the first time , actually , i actually Did

24:04

any courses , but The

24:06

main one Was that I

24:08

attended this Premier Skills . It's

24:11

a Foundation arm of The Premier League Whereby

24:13

they came to Singapore for the

24:15

tour , and part of the legacy is that they

24:18

educate or empower

24:20

local coaches , right . So I thought

24:22

attending that course changes everything

24:24

so from wanting to be

24:26

a coach . Now my

24:29

eyes .

24:29

Maybe my calling

24:31

would be to be a coach developer , so Maybe my calling would

24:33

be To be a coach developer .

24:34

So I think that was A

24:37

turning point In a way , in my life as

24:39

well . Nice .

24:41

You know you've had Experiences of

24:43

delivering courses Almost everywhere , right ? Which

24:45

is the furthest you've been In terms of delivering courses

24:47

.

24:47

I've been to Bhutan . I've

24:50

been to Taiwan . I've

24:53

been all around . So , as part of my role As FIFA technical , isn't Vincent in Bhutan right now , saya telah pergi ke Taiwan . Saya telah berada di seluruh negara . Jadi , sebagai sebahagian daripada peranan saya sebagai

24:56

teknikal , FIFA Bukan Vincent di Bhutan

24:58

sekarang Bukan . Tidak , saya rasa

25:00

dia kembali ke Singapura .

25:03

Bukan Bhutan , negara yang paling bahagia

25:05

di dunia .

25:06

Ya , tempat yang luar biasa .

25:09

Adakah anda selalu menangis ?

25:10

di sana Tidak , tapi saya rasa mereka . I think it's

25:12

good people , beautiful country

25:14

to be with . I think you can see that why

25:16

they are not so stressful .

25:19

Right , which comes to the point . Right . You've

25:21

been to all these places . What are the

25:23

differences you see

25:25

when you are delivering courses , Like , maybe , in Singapore

25:27

? you've done it In

25:31

Taiwan , in Bhutan and here and there in Laos as well right now . What

25:33

are the differences you feel ?

25:34

in delivering a course . I think at the end of the day , it's still football right Di sini dan di sana , di Laos juga . Sekarang , apa perbezaan yang anda rasa Dalam menyampaikan

25:36

kursus ? Saya rasa pada akhir hari Ia masih bola bola , tapi perbezaan

25:39

Adalah kultur . Saya rasa ini adalah

25:41

sesuatu Yang banyak orang Mengelakkan

25:44

Kultura , walaupun

25:48

saya menjadi Kedudukan Kultura

25:50

sangat penting , kerana Kita

25:53

semua di Asia , tetapi Singapura

25:55

dan Malaysia Juga berbeza . Jadi

25:58

anda mesti Mengerti kultura , anda mesti mengerti Alaman . Jadi

26:00

saya rasa Itu adalah Peran utama Apabila

26:03

anda Mengalami kursus Untuk memahami Apa

26:06

jenis Kultura , apa jenis Alaman . Jadi

26:08

anda perlu Buat kata-kata Do your groundwork

26:11

, do your recce , talk to the coach

26:13

, the TD and what not . So you

26:15

understand better .

26:16

What does it affect ? Like as in the culture . What does

26:18

it affect ? Give me a specific example

26:20

.

26:20

Okay . So in , for example , if I

26:22

do , in Taiwan , for example , the

26:24

language , or in Lao Language itself , is

26:27

already a barrier Right . For me to

26:29

be To go to coach

26:31

developer , i need to communicate effectively , and

26:33

if you cannot even speak the language , that is already

26:36

a barrier Right . So you must

26:38

make effort now To

26:40

think of ways , how you can deliver

26:42

your thoughts , your ideas better . And

26:45

because nowadays You want to conduct

26:47

courses two ways Right . So , Because

26:51

they cannot speak English . Sometimes people

26:53

tend to Not to open up , not that

26:55

they are not knowledgeable , it's because

26:57

Maybe they feel

26:59

Okay , i cannot speak English , so

27:01

that's why Better don't talk

27:04

. So again , that

27:06

is the main thing As the role of The

27:08

most challenging part Of a coach developer How

27:11

to extract that From your

27:13

participants , from your coaches . So give me an example How do you extract that from from your

27:15

participants , from your coaches ?

27:17

so give me an example . How do you extract that in terms of

27:19

language ? right now , for example , you go to Bhutan

27:21

and we talk about the language barrier . So how

27:23

, for example , you get them to speak to you

27:25

? maybe you're asking them a question about I don't know a

27:27

formation or whatever . So how do they ?

27:30

so first I think you need to reverse

27:32

back everything . You need to create the environment

27:34

first . So when I went to Taiwan

27:36

, I went to , or even in Laos now , the

27:38

first thing is music Make people

27:41

relax . So I

27:43

play the

27:45

local music first . So when they come into

27:47

the class the

27:49

classroom is already set up . This

27:51

guy , he play local music , he can

27:54

speak . Then , of course , the first thing that come

27:56

out must be their local language , the Sabadi

27:58

, or your Ni Hao Ma kind

28:00

of The hellos . You

28:02

make an effort already to make

28:04

a fool of myself to

28:06

go . So then they already know eh , this guy can

28:09

, why can't we ? So that must

28:11

be set first . So I think

28:13

you

28:15

need to look at the bigger picture . If you just

28:17

jump in And you ask me This type of question , how

28:19

do I explain ? Of course it cannot

28:22

be done . But if you Now

28:24

reverse And how you create that environment

28:26

, how you make them Feel

28:28

that , oh , okay , this is actually okay . So

28:30

in Lao , for example , um , our

28:33

coaching courses , now coaches actually come with

28:35

laptop .

28:36

Right right .

28:37

Previously they wouldn't even want to bring this

28:39

right .

28:39

Okay .

28:40

But you encourage them , Even if they make

28:42

mistakes and whatnot . You

28:44

teach them . So this is where

28:46

they , you gain their trust and then they say it's

28:49

fine to do So . I think this

28:51

is where I think the environment

28:54

again , keadaan . Sekali lagi , anda perlu menjaga

28:56

keadaan positif , kemudian anda boleh mengekstrak Sekarang bagaimana

28:58

anda , jika anda seorang CD seorang

29:02

pembangunan coach dan anda telah melakukan

29:04

ini selama 2 atau 3 tahun .

29:07

Adakah ada jalan untuk memperbaiki diri anda , kerana

29:09

anda

29:14

mungkin berfikir bahawa saya mel , for example , and you keep on . You are

29:16

doing this almost every year the same

29:18

not the same way contents may change here

29:20

and there , but can you upgrade yourself

29:22

in the way you do things ?

29:24

I think now with technology

29:27

, it's very easy for you to gain

29:29

a lot of knowledge from FIFA

29:32

website and what not ? but I

29:34

think this is a very important question

29:36

because I myself I

29:39

actually did my master's So in

29:41

performance football coaching right . So from

29:44

there it kind of opened up my eyes about

29:46

football . It's actually

29:49

a whole new dimension that I realised

29:52

that after 15 , 16 years of working

29:54

in football I didn't realise

29:56

this . So , things like culture , things like power , and it's the politics

29:58

16 tahun kerja di futbol Saya tidak menyedari ini . Jadi , perkara-perkara seperti Kultura , perkara seperti kekuatan Dan Politik

30:01

, politik Anda tidak boleh Hanya mengambilnya

30:03

, ia adalah sebahagian daripadanya . Anda mesti mengambilnya

30:05

, dan kemudian anda mesti Tidak mengatakan bermain , tetapi

30:07

anda mesti Mampu

30:12

menghapuskan perkara-perkara . So as

30:14

a coach developer , first knowledge

30:16

. You must always look , you must keep

30:18

yourself updated , looking at the technical

30:20

reports and what not . But more important

30:23

, i think , for you to gain a

30:25

deeper knowledge . So take on a more

30:27

formal education , taking

30:29

masters or doing your diploma

30:32

in sports science . It helps

30:35

. So I think it can be done .

30:36

Brilliant . Now . Now in general

30:38

, right , what you I'm talking

30:40

about in Singapore specifically , right ? what are the strong

30:42

points of our coaches when you are delivering

30:44

courses and stuff in Singapore ? what are our strong

30:47

points and also the negatives , in your opinion

30:49

, from your experiences ?

30:52

I think in Singapore I think most of the coaches

30:54

you are you

30:56

know technology savvy and what not , so it's very easy . I think most of the coaches You are You know

30:58

Technology savvy And what not , so it's very easy . You don't want to Conduct

31:01

courses And then They

31:03

speak English . You can grab

31:05

Ideas easily . So I

31:08

think That is the plus point Of Singapore coaches

31:10

. So we are exposed to So many Different

31:13

kinds of football , so I think that part

31:15

Is easy . I'm not

31:17

sure whether Sometimes

31:20

The local coaches

31:22

Are we hungry enough To

31:25

go that extra mile , because in

31:27

Singapore I think To get coaching job is

31:29

very easy . You can

31:31

. You can become

31:34

a coach On the weekend So

31:36

many academies and you can actually earn good

31:38

money . So this

31:40

to me , sometimes make

31:44

you forget your journey . That

31:47

you are here actually to

31:49

improve football , But sometimes now

31:53

we go for the money instead . Which is not wrong , please

31:55

don't get me wrong , it's not wrong

31:57

. But you start to do multiple

31:59

session for the sake of it

32:01

and you start to jump from one

32:03

session then no planning , i just come

32:05

, this is what I see , and

32:08

I think it's not only affecting

32:10

the players , but it's affecting

32:12

you as a coach as well , because now you come

32:14

in without planning , so you are doing

32:17

it just for the money , so it's become work

32:19

from something that you enjoy . Now

32:21

that's why I say the journey because of

32:23

the money . So , which is not wrong , but if that's what

32:25

you want to do , it's fine . But I think if

32:28

you want to talk about to

32:30

improve , i think you need to stay true to

32:32

the course quality dips , isn't it ?

32:34

When you do that , when you start doing that , Herma

32:37

? let's talk about Lau man . You know how

32:39

did ?

32:40

you get this role .

32:41

I don't know , Maybe it's because I

32:43

know , I know It's that guy at the police post .

32:47

So we got to remind back . No

32:50

, maybe it's because I think , even for I

32:58

I have good relationship .

32:58

With .

32:58

Sundar , even when I was in Singapore . He was in Singapore , i think , when

33:00

the role Became available . He asked me Whether

33:03

I'm interested to take

33:05

. And what not ? So I think That Kicks

33:08

it off . So it start off From

33:10

there . And then I

33:12

was thinking To take Or not .

33:13

So How long was this

33:15

ago ?

33:17

Actually we had this conversation maybe 3-4

33:19

years before then after that , covid hits

33:21

so I think lucky

33:23

, we didn't go , and what not ? so then

33:26

, after that I thought it's finished then , after

33:28

that , after

33:30

covid , and things open up . Then Sundaram ask

33:32

me again last 2 years 2

33:34

years ago right

33:45

, how difficult was the 2 tahun , 2 tahun sebelum

33:47

betul betul , betul , betul , betul , betul betul betul

33:49

, betul , betul , betul , betul , betul betul betul , betul , betul , betul

33:52

, betul , betul , betul , betul , betul , betul , betul , betul , betul , betul betul

33:54

.

33:54

Bet Ruth Hulit . Yeah , so you know

33:56

which generation you are .

33:58

So I think it is Yeah

34:01

, if you take family out .

34:02

Yeah .

34:04

It is easy decision , but the moment you put

34:06

in family , yeah , that is a very

34:08

difficult decision .

34:09

I'll coin this man , this is a sexy

34:11

project in law . I'll speak to Sundro about this as

34:13

well . Now , okay . So when you got the job right

34:16

, what is your job scope , your role

34:18

, your primary role , and

34:20

what was there A goal Or

34:23

a target set for you ? I don't like to use the KPI

34:26

word .

34:28

So it was quite Obvious

34:30

To do the

34:32

coach Education part , to

34:34

do the CCE program , to

34:36

run the C

34:39

diploma , b diploma , a diploma

34:41

. But the main target there was to actually

34:43

improve the level

34:45

of coaching . And they

34:47

were applying for the coaching

34:49

convention , the AFC coaching convention , which

34:52

we managed to get the

34:54

A coaching convention December

34:56

last year . So in a way , explain

34:59

to us .

34:59

What is that ? What does that mean ?

35:01

So in AFC now There's

35:03

this Coaching convention Is like your ISO .

35:07

So Quality control .

35:08

Quality control , that You have done

35:10

it According to What AFC

35:13

have Have Stated

35:16

how it should be done And things like that . And when

35:18

they come and visit they think this is

35:20

a quality project and what not . So that's

35:22

why you can use the AFC . So if

35:26

you take the course in Singapore or you take

35:28

the course in Laos , the

35:30

diploma will be recognised in

35:33

Japan or in Korea , kind of thing . So

35:35

it means a lot . It means that you

35:37

are on par With the powerhouse Of

35:39

Asia football . So I think that's A big

35:42

thing , and for Lau To get that A

35:45

coaching convention Is , i

35:47

think it's Something really A

35:49

proud moment For myself as well .

35:51

Brilliant . Congratulations , man . It's brilliant . Yeah

35:53

, was it a daunting task

35:55

At first , when you got the job ? And then maybe your first

35:57

day at work , and you're sitting in the office And you're

35:59

thinking What have I got into

36:01

? You know , because it's huge , isn't it ? It's huge

36:04

.

36:04

And you don't have any reference . You literally

36:06

sit in the office . Wow , so now , where do I

36:08

start ? right , i have no

36:10

idea Whether the people will

36:13

even accept me . So now , what syllabus

36:15

should we put ? menerima saya jadi sekarang apa yang kita patut

36:17

letakkan dan tapi , seperti yang saya katakan

36:19

, kerana ia hampir seperti canvas yang tak berbuka , itulah yang

36:21

membuat projek itu sangat seksi . Jadi Sunderm mempunyai

36:23

banyak percayaan dalam saya dan

36:26

dia sangat mendukung . Dia berkata ok , lakukan apa , jadi segala-galanya

36:34

yang saya bayangkan . Dan ia adalah sebuah pelajaran yang luar biasa

36:36

. Jadi saya benar-benar melihat ke belakang

36:38

. Saya berfikir , wow , ini sangat luar biasa .

36:42

Baiklah kembali ke itu bagaimana kerja dengan

36:44

Sundrom Dan jelasnya

36:46

orang-orang yang tidak tahu , tidak dalam masa kita atau apa-apa

36:48

. Dia seorang legenda , bukan Jadi bagaimana

36:50

, dan dia adalah pengarah teknikal Dia adalah pengarah

36:52

teknikal . Bagaimana , by the way ?

36:54

this is someone that when

36:56

I was young , i was watching

36:58

him playing you know , in the Malaysia Cup

37:00

. He doing the bicycle kick , and what ? not and then now I'm

37:02

a colleague . You know we go lunch together and what not . So

37:04

I think it's amazing and as a person

37:07

, you know he's a fantastic

37:09

person . You know pleasant personality , very

37:11

caring and , like I said , as

37:14

a boss , you know he's really very supportive

37:16

. You know his open-mindedness

37:18

really , you

37:20

know , surprised me , you know . So

37:23

, and not because he's my boss I say this

37:25

, but it's really you got to give it to

37:27

him How he evolved from a coach and then

37:29

to become a TD . So I think that's amazing .

37:32

And I think it helps and works . You

37:34

spoke about the blank canvas part also

37:36

. I think he gives you The Everything

37:38

That is needed To do a job

37:41

Correct , because sometimes You think

37:43

about it . You know Why employ me When you are

37:45

always telling me What to do right , correct , you

37:47

know Precisely right . So you employ people to do

37:49

the job , don't ? You know ? Don't come in

37:51

And start messing things up , and I think

37:53

that's A brilliant relationship . You know

37:56

, it's a two-way thing And it's a Wonderful

37:58

relationship , and I got to say that , even The

38:00

federation itself . The .

38:01

GS The president . They are amazing people , you know

38:03

. They support you Whatever you want

38:05

to do , and Lao have actually Amazing

38:08

facilities .

38:09

So this is something That we don't have to .

38:11

People don't know . Then people are thinking Eh , are

38:14

you working in kampung ? No

38:16

, we've got You . Come to our

38:18

federation . You'll be amazed That what

38:20

we have . So it's no

38:22

excuse for me Not to deliver it , to be honest . So

38:25

it kind of inspire me To

38:27

do things really well

38:29

.

38:29

Brilliant And you spoke about the country as well , and

38:31

it helps you lose weight as well .

38:34

That's important . It's a plus point Because actually

38:36

, when I watch social media , i see you doing your

38:38

Workout .

38:41

You know , listen , we spoke about the convention

38:43

, the AA convention . Talk us through

38:45

Just a few Highlights From

38:48

two years ago Till now . What you have achieved

38:50

So far , at least for now .

38:52

In terms of the coach education .

38:53

We came to coach education , i think .

38:57

One of the other things that we done is that we

38:59

have actually done the coach

39:02

developer course . So what I've done

39:04

is that I've multiplied myself , so

39:06

that is to me one of the proudest

39:08

course that

39:11

I've done in Lahu

39:13

is because I it's pointless

39:15

that I keep everything to me and then I

39:17

do all the courses . Then

39:19

it become that . It become my show , right

39:21

? What I've seen

39:24

that What we need to do is that We need to empower

39:26

the locals . And when you empower the locals , you'll

39:28

be surprised that Eh , they actually . They

39:30

have this growth mindset . They have this ambition

39:32

as well . You know so . And now we

39:34

have about 15 coach developers And

39:37

they are going to be A better coach developer than me

39:39

, because why ? They speak the language , they understand

39:41

the people , they understand the culture . So now

39:43

I don't do the C diploma anymore , they

39:45

will run it .

39:46

Beautiful .

39:47

Right . So now I'm doing B And then some of

39:49

them Are following me to the B . Then hopefully

39:51

By next year I don't have to do the B . They

39:54

run the course . So this is what I think

39:56

is very important for them

39:58

. That's why I say that this course is most

40:00

important course that I've done in Laos , not the

40:02

A , but the coach developer course . So

40:04

that is one . Then number two , we

40:06

actually done the elite youth

40:08

B diploma . We

40:11

actually I'm not sure , but we might be among the

40:13

first country in ASEAN to actually do an elite

40:15

youth Diploma

40:17

run by your own federation . So what is this elite

40:20

youth ? So , because , see

40:22

, our coaching courses is CBA

40:25

, then you simply assume that You

40:27

know , you understand in depth

40:29

Of how to develop youth , similar

40:32

to Goalkeeping . We got the goalkeeping

40:34

specialist course , we got fitness

40:36

specialist course . So why can't we have

40:38

an elite youth ?

40:40

Oh , specifically to elite , for elite , ah

40:42

, understand You .

40:43

Everything that you do Is to More

40:46

focus on the youth How to do Wow , how

40:49

to do talent identification , how

40:51

to do talent development . We talk about

40:53

player maturity , we talk about the Relative

40:56

age index And things like that . So The

40:59

coaches have more exposure to it And

41:02

Kita bercakap tentang maturiti pemain

41:04

, kita bercakap tentang umur yang relatif dan

41:06

sebagainya . Jadi pemain mempunyai lebih banyak penyambangan

41:08

terhadapnya . Jadi , apabila mereka pergi ke kelab mereka dan mereka

41:10

melakukan pemain , mereka tahu bagaimana untuk berplan . mereka tahu

41:12

bagaimana untuk berkomunikasi dengan pemain , So normally It's done by FIFA

41:15

And , going forward , afc

41:17

is going to Introduce Introduce

41:19

this As part of the Coaching course as

41:21

well .

41:21

Wow .

41:22

But Lau , actually Brilliant

41:25

man , we did it In advance And actually

41:27

we also Work with CoachUp

41:29

. You spoke

41:31

, to . Tarik before . So what happened was that

41:33

We use the CoachUp platform .

41:35

And .

41:36

We do the talent Identification So part of the course , the coaches , kami menggunakan platform CoachUp dan kami melakukan identifikasi

41:38

talent Jadi

41:40

bagian dari kursus ini . ketika pemain melihat pelakon , mereka

41:43

akan mengupload nama pelakon data

41:45

kekuatan dan sebagainya ke dalam sistem

41:47

. Jadi sekarang kami sebenarnya mengucapkan

41:49

teknologi dan kami menggunakannya . Jadi

41:52

kami menjelaskan pelakon kami kepada salah

41:54

satu , exposing our coaches To all of this .

41:56

Brilliant man . Herman , you know

41:58

You spoke about The coach

42:00

developer course For the locals there . You

42:02

know You're right about Why

42:04

keep everything right , because it's

42:06

about sharing , it's about learning and stuff . And

42:08

I tell you what Down I don't

42:10

know Five years or whatever Down the road When you leave

42:13

Laos . Right , you're going to be like A

42:15

legend there , man . No , no , seriously , you're going to be like a legend there . Seriously

42:17

, you're going to be a legend . In Malaysia they call them Dato I

42:20

don't know what they want to call you . It's brilliant

42:22

. Congratulations , man . What

42:24

else is in store for you In

42:26

terms of ? Is

42:30

there a contract extension ? What is it like going to be

42:32

?

42:32

Actually , i signed My

42:34

contract Just for one year , initially

42:36

, because I'm not sure .

42:37

How it's going to be , but it's been two years .

42:39

Yeah , but after that We actually renewed my contract

42:41

For a couple more years .

42:42

Okay , good .

42:42

So I'm going to stay there For at least A couple more years

42:44

. So That is one

42:47

. But next year We are

42:49

aiming really high . We are

42:51

aiming to get the . We plan

42:53

to do the Pro diploma And we

42:55

aim to get the coaching convention for the pro diploma

42:58

. And what

43:00

we have planned is that we think

43:02

this is going to be the best pro

43:04

diploma , not only in ASEAN . I

43:06

think it's going to be in Asia . So , this

43:09

is my promise to them We will

43:11

make it happen that this is going to be

43:13

the best pro diploma .

43:16

Good luck man Herman . You know we're with you

43:18

. At least I'm with you , you know . Now

43:20

, before we go right , where

43:22

does Herman go from here ? Okay

43:25

, forget about one year , two years , Forget about the pro diploma

43:27

. Now , Maybe five , ten years down the road

43:29

, where do you think you'll be at ?

43:31

If immediately I will go take care of my kid now

43:33

.

43:33

I .

43:33

But that's Aside . I'm

43:40

not sure . I

43:42

think I always want to Affect The

43:45

game at a global level . I

43:47

hope that I can Affect

43:52

change in terms of Coaching

43:55

, at least in Asia , maybe . So

43:58

maybe the next target Is to work In

44:00

AFC . Who

44:02

knows If I can Go to FIFA . So

44:05

I'm selling myself now .

44:06

But that's the target . Please do .

44:07

That's the target . I want to aim high . So

44:10

I think that's That's the target . But

44:13

You know , sometimes you can only plan , and

44:17

if things work out , it work out . But if not , at

44:20

least I've given it a shot And That's

44:22

what I want to do .

44:24

Are you planning to come back ?

44:26

Oh , singapore has always been home right ?

44:28

Is it as sexy as now ?

44:31

Now with the UTR project , i think it is . It

44:34

is Interesting project

44:36

And I'll be lying

44:38

to say that I'm not keeping

44:40

in touch with people here , And

44:43

I think it's Ambitious

44:45

project . Whether

44:48

we can pull it off or not , no I

44:50

don't know . But I'll be more

44:52

than open to To To

44:54

come back if there's Any offers Or if You know . But the project must be , like

44:56

you say , sexier than to to to come back if there's any offers or if you

44:58

know , but the project must be , like you say , sexier

45:01

than what Lau is at

45:03

the moment . But let's keep it open

45:05

and hopefully you know

45:08

, whatever direction

45:10

I take , it will be part of my amazing

45:12

journey that I had in football so far .

45:15

I think whoever's watching this , who's

45:17

going to listen to this And you know

45:19

You make up your mind

45:21

, because I know what I would do

45:23

. You know if I'm the head of anything

45:26

, you know I think We've

45:28

got someone who's Forward

45:30

thinking . You know Someone who's always

45:33

thinking forward And thinking about football

45:35

And so giving as well . So

45:50

the choice is yours , my friends . Any final messages for

45:52

coaches Terima kasih . It's not a

45:54

bed of roses Going forward . There's always

45:56

failures And stuff like that . So , from someone With

45:59

your experience , any Words

46:03

of encouragement Or even advice For these coaches ?

46:05

I think I'm not In any position To

46:08

advise anybody , but What

46:11

my journey Have taught me Is that actually To

46:13

appreciate things Around

46:16

you . I think , that's The key thing . Enjoy

46:19

what you are doing And , like I said , football

46:22

is a result-based

46:24

industry And if you will

46:26

be so hard on yourself

46:29

when you lose or you feel proud of yourself

46:31

when you win , it

46:34

will affect your mental health . What's

46:36

important is always be grounded . Surround

46:40

yourself with good people , be honest with yourself

46:42

, and I think that

46:44

is the key . Continue to

46:47

work hard . That's

46:49

the most important thing . Don't look at I

46:52

want to be here because I want to become famous

46:54

. I want to earn more money . Yes , of

46:56

course money is important And of course , the recognition

46:58

is just as important , but it cannot

47:00

be what drives you . What

47:03

drives you must be football , it must be intrinsic

47:05

, and you always want

47:07

to improve yourself . You want to better yourself , and the

47:09

only way to be better is

47:12

because you have good environment . If you are surrounded

47:14

with good coaches , the level of football

47:16

improves , but if you are the only best coach

47:18

, i tell you , you also cannot improve . So

47:21

that's the key thing . So in order

47:23

for , i think , our local football

47:25

to improve , the whole football community

47:27

, we need to raise up our level

47:30

of knowledge And experience

47:32

, and only then , i think , we can

47:34

become a better footballing

47:36

country .

47:38

Well said And that probably is the

47:40

best way To end the podcast , mr Herman , hanya kemudian

47:42

, saya rasa , kita boleh menjadi negara pemain bola yang

47:45

lebih baik . Baiklah , dan itu mungkin adalah cara terbaik untuk mengakhiri

47:47

podcast . Encik Herman , terima kasih banyak-banyak kerana berada di sini Dan kami

47:49

berjaya . Berjaya , saya rasa

47:51

, pemain di Singapura . Kami berjaya . Berjaya untuk anda apabila anda kembali

47:54

ke Laos dan untuk perjalanan anda ke depan . Juga , beri salam

47:56

kepada to Mr V Sundaramuthi , the legend himself . You

47:58

know , we all remember the bicycle kick still

48:00

till today , and we

48:02

hope him , we hope both of you guys

48:05

, have a great journey ahead as

48:07

well . Alright , so thank you very much . This

48:09

has been the latest episode of the

48:11

Silver Fox Hustle podcast with my guest

48:13

Herman . Don't forget , like I said before we go , click

48:15

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48:19

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48:34

, Terima kasih kerana

48:36

menonton .