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I got the big round

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and round. But all the

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bullshit going down. Herrera! Hello

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America! The Proopcast is back

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on the air from the

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Fortress of Proubitude, Mejama

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Gregorio, Asoos Ordinese.

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We're back in

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the fortress of

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Prouperchud, Mayoma Gregorio, Aesus

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Ordinez. We're back in

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the fortress, and this is

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Jennifer. Hi, how are you? I'm very

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well, thank you. This is Fight

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the Power by the Eisley Brothers.

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Why? Isn't that magnificent? Because

0:38

it's our theme song for

0:41

the next three years and we're

0:43

saying goodbye to Chris Jasper.

0:45

Chris Jasper was in the Eisley

0:47

Brothers. He was an Eisley brother-in-law.

0:49

What? And he joined the group

0:51

in 73. By the way, Chris

0:53

Jasper, like so many musicians that

0:56

we always talk about and that

0:58

we're going to talk about, classically

1:00

trained, went to Juilliard when he

1:02

graduated, he joined the Osley Brothers.

1:04

He married an Osley sister, hello,

1:06

and it was when he joined

1:08

the group that they really, really

1:11

got funky. It wasn't that they weren't

1:13

great before. They'd been a group since the

1:15

50s and by the way they're still a

1:17

group. Well they went from a trio to

1:19

a band. Yeah and then they're then five

1:22

by five and he'd in all those great

1:24

albums and Fight the Power which is in

1:26

a magnificent achievement in protest

1:28

music. And... G. Wilickers.

1:30

There's nothing, not enough

1:33

you can say about

1:35

Chris Jasper's songwriting talent.

1:37

And also, he was

1:39

the keyboard player in

1:41

the synthesizer player, which

1:43

is the perfect complement

1:45

to Ernie's awesome psychedelic

1:47

guitars and the super,

1:49

super, super sexiness of

1:51

possibly their hottest, and by

1:53

the way, this is in a

1:56

72 year career, hottest and sexiest

1:58

song. I'm

2:37

Yeah, the prep cast is bringing

2:39

sexy back y'all, Chris Jasper, an

2:41

absolutely unforgettable talent in an amazing

2:43

band that I think has the

2:45

most longevity maybe of any band

2:48

in American history, really. The Stones?

2:50

I said American history, but the

2:52

Stones are American history, let's be

2:54

honest. As someone said long ago,

2:57

the thing the Stones learned early

2:59

on was to embrace America

3:01

and sound American. Ernie, of

3:03

course, was the guitar player,

3:05

Ronald, is the one in

3:07

charge of super sexy vocals.

3:09

And he still knocks. He's

3:11

going to be wearing the chinchilla

3:14

fur. Stop it, Jennifer. We've got

3:16

a show to you. The Aisley

3:18

Brothers are amazing. Chris Jasper.

3:20

One of the great Aisley

3:23

Brothers. Hello, everybody. I know

3:25

what things seem like. Times

3:27

are scandalous. They're worse than

3:29

scandalous. We have a Russian

3:32

spy and worse than that

3:34

we have a sea creature.

3:36

We have several Russian spies.

3:38

Oh, a whole cabinet of

3:41

Russian spies. And I'm super

3:43

a creepy sea creature, tech

3:45

pro, douche, exploding dumpster making,

3:47

firing rockets to Mars, Sissy

3:49

Space X as they call

3:52

him. Another person that was

3:54

born rich and bought companies

3:56

didn't create companies. So can

3:58

we just... put those lies

4:01

to rest? Yes, please. I'd

4:03

love to Jennifer. Why do

4:05

you think people? I mean,

4:07

I know why people believe

4:09

misinformation because they're uninformed and

4:11

they don't have any frame

4:13

of reference. I get that

4:15

part. But then there's just

4:17

seems like a willful part,

4:19

especially on my family's part.

4:21

Having to accept the truth

4:23

that these people aren't talented

4:25

in the least. They have

4:27

no talent. greedy, racist, bastards?

4:29

Simply put, very well put,

4:31

and also no originality or

4:33

imagination. He did not have

4:35

anything to do with PayPal.

4:37

He did not have anything

4:39

to do with creating a

4:41

Tesla. He did not have

4:43

anything to do with anything

4:46

to do with anything to

4:48

do with anything that he

4:50

claims he had anything to

4:52

do with. And this whole

4:54

nonsense about they're going to

4:56

cut waste and whatever. This

4:58

is a tech-bro, blockchain, crypto

5:00

takeover is what it is.

5:02

They want to destroy the

5:04

government and loot it for

5:06

parts. and they want to

5:08

give them money to their

5:10

billionaire friends, which means tax

5:12

cuts for everyone. And it's

5:14

no coincidence that your Jeff

5:16

Bezos, your Peter Thiel, your

5:18

Mark Zuckerberg have not only

5:20

been client lap dogs, but

5:22

supplicant, man-bag-sucking, vermin, and absolute

5:24

leaches. Not only do all

5:26

of them get subsidized by

5:28

the government, and by the

5:30

way, the post office is

5:32

keeping Amazon going, not only

5:34

do all of them suck

5:37

the government dry, they also...

5:39

all have no original ideas

5:41

and really didn't come up

5:43

with any of the shit

5:45

that they purport to come

5:47

up with. Well it's always

5:49

been important but now extremely

5:51

important to keep an eye

5:53

on which companies you buy

5:55

from and what they support

5:57

if they you know in

5:59

DEA I is another word

6:01

for racist behavior. Yeah DEA

6:03

I mean we don't want

6:05

women block people or anyone

6:07

who's not a white good

6:09

to get anything. Right. So

6:11

keep an eye on who's

6:13

supporting what programs and do

6:15

the very least research and

6:17

about our government. and the

6:19

Russian spies therein, it's important

6:21

to remember that Russia is

6:23

in a desperate situation, that

6:26

their dictator has stripped their

6:28

country of everything, that very

6:30

few people, men, own everything,

6:32

and that the Russia... How

6:34

do you owe you all

6:36

the Garks? Right, they're extremely

6:38

poor. He's used a whole

6:40

generation to fight this... disgusting

6:42

invasion and Ukraine and was

6:44

even using people soldiers from

6:46

North Korea to sustain an

6:48

unwinnable invasion. So always bear

6:50

that in mind that this

6:52

was an act of desperation

6:54

to take over from the

6:56

inside the Republican Party and

6:58

use the very dumbest most

7:00

morally bankrupt, orange thing that

7:02

they could find. Oh yeah,

7:04

the guy from Leonard Leo

7:06

from the Federalist group said

7:08

years ago, we don't want

7:10

anyone who can think or

7:12

have any odd thoughts on

7:14

their own. We want someone

7:17

to hold a pen. And

7:19

that's what they got now.

7:21

And I think what your

7:23

point is so awesome and

7:25

it's something that lifted my

7:27

spirits this week as we

7:29

spent time together, which was

7:31

that Russia is a desperate

7:33

flagging pseudo state. Yes. have

7:35

anything now. And by the

7:37

way, I would add one

7:39

other thing. Biden made the

7:41

economy so good in four

7:43

years and turned it around

7:45

from absolute object garbage, which

7:47

it was during the plague,

7:49

that no country is competing

7:51

with us, by the way,

7:53

France, Germany, Japan, China, Russia,

7:55

their... Their income, their economic

7:57

outlook, is worse than some

7:59

of our worst states. So

8:01

that's how powerful we are,

8:03

you guys, which is why

8:06

they want to bring in

8:08

their rich buddies and loot

8:10

the place. Because there's never

8:12

been a treasury the way

8:14

we have a treasury now.

8:16

And so what I'm saying

8:18

is, and what I think

8:20

Jennifer is saying, is you

8:22

mustn't feel that this is

8:24

the worst moment in American

8:26

history. It's certainly the worst

8:28

president in American history, but

8:30

we knew that four years

8:32

ago. This time it's worse

8:34

because he's empowered. by the

8:36

entire Republican Party, the Supreme

8:38

Court, and we have no

8:40

notion of whether the courts

8:42

are going to stand up

8:44

to this. Well, it's important

8:46

for the people that are

8:48

just wailing at Democrats instead

8:50

of ever taking their protest

8:52

to Republicans, is that the

8:55

entire government right down is

8:57

run by Republicans. So the

8:59

Congress that legislates the bills

9:01

is... under Republican control. The

9:03

Congress very minimally so, so

9:05

if the next elections are

9:07

It's imperative for everybody to

9:09

vote. What do we have

9:11

a two-seat? They have a

9:13

two-seat in Congress? Yeah, and

9:15

in this last time, the

9:17

thing that really, it makes

9:19

me so upset when people

9:21

just, people, white people, hello,

9:23

scream at Democrats and our

9:25

Democratic minority leader, Hakim Jeffries,

9:27

to do something. Well, they

9:29

are doing something, but they

9:31

can't change. the fact that

9:33

the majority is Republican until

9:35

you vote more Democrats in.

9:37

And the Democrats are doing

9:39

what they can, including in

9:41

the last, trying to block

9:43

the last horrible money grasped

9:46

by the Republicans when they

9:48

were trying to strip Medicaid.

9:50

They, a Democrat. was getting

9:52

treatment in the hospital. He

9:54

came with, he had an

9:56

IV treatment, a walker after

9:58

surgery to come into vote

10:00

and a woman. who had

10:02

just given birth two weeks

10:04

prior, they would not let

10:06

her vote remotely. So she

10:08

showed up to vote. So

10:10

Democrats are really making an

10:12

effort and people need to

10:14

support what's happening on that

10:16

side of things. And it's

10:18

nice to see, even in

10:20

Texas and Kansas the last

10:22

couple of days, people coming

10:24

out. to voice their feelings

10:26

about these horrible changes at

10:28

Republican town meetings. Yes, yes,

10:30

right? Not just democratic ones.

10:32

No. Republicans don't date the

10:35

same age. It really matters.

10:37

Oh my God, it matters.

10:39

I mean, for instance, when

10:41

they were going to strip

10:43

health care for the 9-11

10:45

first responders. There was an

10:47

outcry and they backed off

10:49

of it. So I mean

10:51

if you keep up the

10:53

pressure Some Republicans, of course,

10:55

are responding like the trees

10:57

and weasels they are, and

10:59

they're simply not having town

11:01

halls. Oh, that will be

11:03

next. And then they'll throw

11:05

everyone out that voices a

11:07

different opinion and all that.

11:09

But, you know, white people

11:11

feel super comfortable with white

11:13

people, no matter how repellent

11:15

they are, if everybody's white,

11:17

somehow that's all going to

11:19

work out. And so they

11:21

thought in Kansas and Texas

11:23

and... I'm forgetting Idaho that

11:26

they could just show up

11:28

and be as revolting as

11:30

usual and even you know

11:32

the white people showed up

11:34

and said you know what

11:36

we're losing our jobs and

11:38

on a lot of these

11:40

places the only jobs are

11:42

government jobs. So the sea

11:44

creature is stripped federal jobs

11:46

and in places like Missouri

11:48

and Kansas that is the

11:50

biggest employer. going to find

11:52

a lot of super unhappy

11:54

people very quickly. By the

11:56

way Jennifer demanded in an

11:58

email that I write down

12:00

five things I did this

12:02

week or I couldn't hold

12:04

my job with the proof

12:06

cast anymore and that all

12:08

you prove skillians and Jennifer

12:10

Wigeons out there, you're let

12:12

off the hook. You don't

12:15

have to tell us five

12:17

things you did this week.

12:19

But here's a couple things

12:21

you could do. The White

12:23

House has a phone number

12:25

you guys, 202, four, five,

12:27

one, one, one. 202, 456,

12:29

1111. They're only open in

12:31

the daytime for a few

12:33

hours because this is this

12:35

White House. But you can

12:37

call them all you like,

12:39

and by the way, you

12:41

can write them. And yes,

12:43

the White House is on

12:45

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, DC 200,

12:47

2050. Every letter that they

12:49

get, Foxus don't mean as

12:51

much. phone calls and letters

12:53

mean representation to them. And

12:55

I know the White House

12:57

isn't going to bend or

12:59

buckle. I got that. I

13:01

got that when you have

13:04

Stephen Miller and all the

13:06

nefarious characters that they've got

13:08

in there. The reason they

13:10

did this is to form

13:12

a little blanket fort around

13:14

themselves. But they do note

13:16

it and they do notice

13:18

it. Now on the other

13:20

hand, senators and Congresspeople live

13:22

in lives of quiet desperation,

13:24

which means between election cycles

13:26

all the terrible things they

13:28

do that their constituents note,

13:30

for instance, as Jennifer was

13:32

saying, in Kansas, where people

13:34

came out in numbers to

13:36

scream at their representatives. And

13:38

you can see, oh, in

13:40

Georgia, you can see how

13:42

smog-cued-on. Well, the reason I

13:44

say white people repeatedly is

13:46

because white people have not...

13:48

voted majority democrats since uh...

13:50

elb j sign the civil

13:52

rights act coincidence i think

13:55

not i don't think so

13:57

the base uh... of the

13:59

of the democratic party is

14:01

black women black women have

14:03

always had it together to

14:05

have the information and the

14:07

wherewithal and the force to

14:09

organize to participate it's on

14:11

white people to make this

14:13

right. You're absolutely right and

14:15

here's why you guys the

14:17

last election 55% of white

14:19

men voted for Trump 57%

14:21

of white people voted for

14:23

him okay and then in

14:25

the last election It

14:28

was really shocking like the election

14:30

before. Well, and like young white

14:32

men, just like in the German

14:34

election that happened last week, more

14:36

young white men are voting right

14:38

wing. And whether it's the excuses,

14:40

oh, I'm playing some games and

14:42

oh, that online gambling sure is

14:45

neat. Oh my God, they love

14:47

their online gambling. I guess information

14:49

is not something that is easily

14:51

had. even though you're in front

14:53

of a computer. Now white guys

14:55

are very susceptible to misinformation. White

14:57

young white women on the other

14:59

hand have also become more liberal

15:01

and of course young women at

15:03

every race that isn't white are

15:06

the ones who are keeping this

15:08

country going. Let's just say it

15:10

black women. 92% of black women

15:12

voted for common law heiress. Yes.

15:14

They were able to understand the

15:16

assignment one and they were able

15:18

to understand the information being presented

15:20

to them and yes. By the

15:22

way, black people watch white media,

15:24

and so they have the same

15:26

telephone you do, they have the

15:29

same television you do. All that

15:31

information coming at you is also

15:33

coming at them. You have to

15:35

be a little- Right, and somehow

15:37

they didn't fall for propaganda. A

15:39

little choose here, yeah. So let

15:41

me give out two more numbers

15:43

here. The Senate switchboard is 202,

15:45

224, 3121. And yes, you can

15:47

ask for your Senator. If you

15:49

go to Senate.gov. and house.gov. That's

15:52

where you can find them. They

15:54

are to be found there. You

15:56

can put in your... and it

15:58

will tell you where they are.

16:00

The Congress, the congressional switchboard, is

16:02

202-224-321. Now I know it's intimidating.

16:04

And you're like, oh my God,

16:06

someone's going to call and they're

16:08

going to be mean to me.

16:10

Well, think about all the bad

16:13

things that are happening. That's why

16:15

Five Calls is so easy. Yeah.

16:17

And so here we are. And

16:19

then if you go to five

16:21

calls.org and that's a five number

16:23

five, the word calls, C-A-L-L-S.org, you

16:25

can sign up for it. You

16:27

can get an app on your

16:29

phone, which Jennifer and Jennifer and

16:31

I have. Boom, there's your representation.

16:33

It gives you your Congressperson and

16:36

your two senators, and there you

16:38

have it. Like for instance here,

16:40

it says, calling your Congressmen is

16:42

the most effective way to influence

16:44

policy. And emails have to be

16:46

manually read and sorted. Facts have

16:48

to be digitized in emails. Let

16:50

it in postcards. Take time to

16:52

arrive and get processed. So when

16:54

you call, and you can use

16:57

five calls, will call for you.

16:59

Yes, and it gives you a

17:01

script. Right, so you can read

17:03

the script, you don't have to

17:05

freak out, when the person calls,

17:07

and believe me, all congressional people

17:09

who work in those offices are

17:11

lower level people in their 20s,

17:13

men and women, and they have

17:15

to, they have to be nice,

17:17

yeah. Don't call and say, hey,

17:20

fuck you. And not so effective.

17:22

And fuck your Congressperson and this

17:24

and that. You can even call

17:26

Jim Jordan's office. You can call

17:28

people who don't represent you and

17:30

say, I'm calling as an American

17:32

and here's what I believe and

17:34

blah blah blah. However, it's real

17:36

effective to call the Congress people

17:38

in your district and be really

17:40

polite and exactly tell them what

17:43

you want. Also, if you don't

17:45

have your Congressperson's email and stuff

17:47

like that, you should and you

17:49

should call them all the time

17:51

and write them all the time.

17:53

and tell them how great they're

17:55

being if they're being great. Don't

17:57

just call in bitch and bitch

17:59

and bitch. This isn't the 7-Eleven

18:01

and you don't get to order

18:04

people around my hot dog was

18:06

cold. You don't order democracy through

18:08

instakard and postmates you guys. You've

18:10

got to... in democracy. No, last

18:12

week I emailed all of our

18:14

representation and thanked them. I mean,

18:16

we're in a situation where all

18:18

our reps are Democrats. Oh, no,

18:20

we're in California. So we've got

18:22

Adam Shiffin and Alex Padilla is

18:24

our senators. We have Lafonsa Butler,

18:27

a black, a black, gay woman

18:29

as our senator. So we've got

18:31

a little bit of diversity and

18:33

intellect. Adam Shiff, I didn't approve

18:35

of everything he ever did during

18:37

the last election. However, I will

18:39

say this. He's a hero of

18:41

democracy. And his activities during the

18:43

impeachment were extraordinary. I would say

18:45

that he's a right guy. Now,

18:48

with the people who say to

18:50

you, all politicians are the same,

18:52

they're all corrupt, they're all this,

18:54

they're all that bullshit. They're not.

18:56

Joe Biden wasn't, Hillary Clinton wasn't.

18:58

Barack Obama, hello, was not, and

19:00

Michelle Obama wasn't. There are people

19:02

of integrity. Kamala Harris is a

19:04

person of integrity. Do they have

19:06

to bend the entrance? Yeah, they're

19:08

politicians. Grow the fuck up. Are

19:11

they going to give you everything

19:13

you want immediately? No. What we

19:15

want now is to hold the

19:17

line on democracy, you guys. And

19:19

it's up to us. And why

19:21

Jennifer and I keep saying white

19:23

people, white people, white people. I

19:25

know some of you get bored

19:27

with it. Black people have done

19:29

their part. Black people have fought

19:31

for 400 years in the United

19:34

States for civil rights. The reason

19:36

why we have voting rights at

19:38

all is because black people fought

19:40

for them, not because white people

19:42

want, you know what would be

19:44

really nice if we showed the

19:46

playing field? Well, and another thing

19:48

I've been thinking about a lot

19:50

recently because of what they want

19:52

to take away from us this

19:55

current... evil contingent in the White

19:57

House is how organized gay men

19:59

were in New York and San

20:01

Francisco at the very beginning of

20:03

the AIDS crisis. And that's what

20:05

it calls for, organization. On a

20:07

positive note, just recently from Biden's

20:09

cabinet, the Secretary the interior Deb

20:11

Helen it is going to run

20:13

for governor of New Mexico. Isn't

20:15

that great? Yes, she's a great

20:18

congressman. Fantastic and the lieutenant governor

20:20

of Minnesota Peggy Flanagan. Also an

20:22

American. Right, she's Ojibwe. She's going

20:24

to run for Senator Tina Miss

20:26

Spot and that would be fantastic.

20:28

Pete Bedadjudge is thinking about running

20:30

for Senate. In Indiana? And so,

20:32

you know, or what state is

20:34

he? He's switching states. Because he

20:36

doesn't live in India. But I

20:39

mean, how exciting and also how

20:41

telling is it that the Biden

20:43

Harris administration so profoundly cares about

20:45

America that despite death threats and

20:47

intimidation, that they want to run

20:49

for these offices to make America

20:51

a better place for everybody. Democrats

20:53

flipped Norman Oklahoma's mayor office by

20:55

20 points. A black man kept

20:57

his seat in Westchester County, New

20:59

York. There's a Vietnamese American running

21:02

for another spot for California legislature.

21:04

You know, this is what we

21:06

have to focus on and local

21:08

elections are so important right now.

21:10

And that means you mayor, city

21:12

council, state senator. state reps and

21:14

state houses are changing all the

21:16

time their special elections all the

21:18

time this is the time when

21:20

you need yeah you need to

21:22

have elections this Tuesday in Delaware

21:25

and Rhode Island I believe right

21:27

in this is the time you

21:29

need to have black women's back

21:31

black women have tried to do

21:33

everything to save America including running

21:35

a black woman in the last

21:37

election who by the way got

21:39

70 million votes you guys it

21:41

wasn't that it wasn't a mandate

21:43

and it wasn't a mandate and

21:46

it wasn't a wipe and you

21:48

could possibly imagine and 90 million

21:50

people chose not to vote. Also,

21:52

I know this will disappoint people,

21:54

but I don't think it was

21:56

rigged and I don't think Muck's

21:58

tampered with the voting machines or

22:00

anything like that. I think we

22:02

would have heard about that from

22:04

the Kamala Harris camp. They were

22:06

not going to lay down and

22:09

die if the election. She's a

22:11

lawyer. Biden's a lawyer. That election

22:13

was lost because of racism and

22:15

misogyny, you guys. Yes. And that's

22:17

why people's doing. Yeah, in the

22:19

country, the college ops, yeah, misinformation.

22:21

And it really did come down

22:23

to the Republicans had been working

22:25

for years to make it very

22:27

difficult for certain gerrymanderer districts to

22:30

vote for Democrats. I believe in

22:32

North Carolina it was called gerrymandering

22:34

with surgical precision. Oh yeah. And

22:36

by the way Mark Elias who

22:38

runs democracy, his website is called

22:40

Democracy Docket, is a crusading lawyer

22:42

and he fights all the time

22:44

and has 40-50 cases going right

22:46

now. And no, the court system

22:48

hasn't fallen apart. Why? Because Biden

22:50

appointed hundreds of judges, many of

22:53

them black, Latin, Asian. Right. He

22:55

appointed the most black. public defenders.

22:57

And that's a real important position.

22:59

So yeah, everything's like shit. Believe

23:01

me, when we get up in

23:03

the morning here, it's not a

23:05

basket of roses and robins come

23:07

like snow white or whatever and

23:09

deliver flowers to the door. We

23:11

don't get whispered inferences from multicolored

23:13

caterpillars every second of our day.

23:16

There's a reality at all of

23:18

this, but the time is time

23:20

has come for white people to

23:22

step the bloody fuck up. Now

23:24

I'm old. How old Greg? Well,

23:26

when I first started working, we

23:28

used to just take our hands

23:30

and put them in ochre and

23:32

then put them on the cave

23:34

wall and dance in front of

23:37

the bison and the oarocks. Yes,

23:39

I said oarocks. To celebrate the

23:41

hunt. As David Tell used to

23:43

say, maybe I'm old-fashioned and maybe

23:45

we should do a dance to

23:47

make sure that it rains. next

23:49

season. And I didn't want to

23:51

be doing this now. Like you

23:53

didn't want to be doing it

23:55

now. I didn't want to have

23:57

to go through what my parents

24:00

and my parents by the way

24:02

were old. My dad was in

24:04

World War II and Korea and

24:06

my mother had children in World

24:08

War II, my older brothers and

24:10

sisters who are past and they

24:12

both lived through the depression. And

24:14

my mother took a model, a

24:16

truck with her sharecropper family from

24:18

Mississippi, drove to Arizona with all

24:21

the kids and the dog in

24:23

the 30s. They were poor. They

24:25

were part of the white diaspora

24:27

that happened. It happened simultaneously with

24:29

the dust bowl, but people from

24:31

the South as well. And they

24:33

had to go through more shit

24:35

than I could possibly imagine. And

24:37

also they had to fight against

24:39

democracy. And by the way, World

24:41

War II was not a foregone

24:44

conclusion. There's a line in the

24:46

movie Patent. Yes, I'm quoting the

24:48

movie Patent, only because it's pertinent

24:50

to the situation. At one point,

24:52

one of the British general says

24:54

to Patton, I didn't know your

24:56

troops loved you so much. And

24:58

he goes, they don't. But they're

25:00

aware, as I am, that we

25:02

can still lose this war. And

25:04

I always feel like, you have

25:07

to be aware as a white

25:09

person. Things got so awful in

25:11

2020. You mean that there was

25:13

no door dash in the World

25:15

War II? That George Floyd summer,

25:17

right? There was no door dash,

25:19

no posties. In fact, you had

25:21

to go to a hot dog

25:23

stand and wait for your hot

25:25

dog to be cooked. That's how

25:28

bad things were then. That in

25:30

2020, things got so bad during

25:32

the first 45, Debical, the third

25:34

Reich or the second Reich. Are

25:36

we in the third one or

25:38

the fourth one now? It's so

25:40

hard to keep track. Why people

25:42

got... on to the streets and

25:44

decided to help black people and

25:46

actually acknowledge the things they should

25:48

have acknowledged when Obama was present

25:51

or any time in American history

25:53

and that things are unfair and

25:55

that we all need to kind

25:57

of pull together here and now

25:59

we're back here again and this

26:01

is the time that y'all have

26:03

to step up. Simon Rosenberg has

26:05

a think the Hopium Chronicles. You

26:07

may have seen him on tele.

26:09

The Hopium Chronicles are a resource

26:12

and a news source to talk

26:14

about everything that's going on with

26:16

Democrats. For instance, there's a Supreme

26:18

Court judge running in the state

26:20

of Wisconsin. Her name is Susan

26:22

Crawford. And she's running for Wisconsin

26:24

Supreme Court. And it's imperative. to

26:26

get her on that court because

26:28

she's going to do the right

26:30

thing. As I say, Hopium Chronicles

26:32

is a very good place to

26:35

go in a great source. Why

26:37

am I giving you only white

26:39

people stuff? Because it's time for

26:41

white people to step up you

26:43

guys. I've given you a million

26:45

options with black people and you

26:47

didn't listen. Chopwood Carry Water Daily

26:49

actions. She also tells you all

26:51

the stuff you can do. Gives

26:53

you places to call. Places to

26:55

write, activities you can do. And

26:58

believe me, doing one little thing

27:00

will make you feel better. And

27:02

you don't have to get out

27:04

on the street and march or

27:06

whatever, although that's good too. One

27:08

little thing, one little phone call,

27:10

one little postcard, one little active

27:12

defiance. Like for instance, don't subscribe

27:14

to the Washington Post right now.

27:16

Don't buy Amazon things. All of

27:19

these things. Go to your local

27:21

stores to buy the things that

27:23

you could get off Amazon. Get

27:25

off Facebook. And they'll probably be

27:27

better quality. Right. Local stores. Now,

27:29

I realize some of you can't

27:31

do this. Some of you live

27:33

in an area where none of

27:35

these things are possible. And you

27:37

can't get off Amazon, or you

27:39

can't get off whatever, because for

27:42

whatever reason, that's fine too. But

27:44

you can still call your representation.

27:46

It's okay to not be able

27:48

to do all the things everyone's

27:50

demanding of you every two seconds.

27:52

The most important thing is to

27:54

keep your head up. And if

27:56

you're bummed out, take a bloody

27:58

break. and then come back. We'll

28:00

fight another day. And this is

28:03

going to take a while to

28:05

fix you guys, a real while

28:07

here. And there is an election

28:09

coming up. the special elections, but

28:11

the midterm is going to be

28:13

a big deal, like it was

28:15

in 2018, when we were able

28:17

to put the bloody breaks on.

28:19

Yes. Let's take a little break

28:21

right now. And speaking of awesome,

28:23

Jerry Iceman Butler was in the

28:26

impressions. And not only did Jerry

28:28

Iceman Butler start the impressions with

28:30

Curtis Mayfield, and they were an

28:32

awesome soul group. He had a

28:34

fantastic record called Only the Strong

28:36

Survive. He, after Harold Washington, was

28:38

elected the first black mayor in

28:40

1983, ran for Cook County Board

28:42

and was on the board from

28:44

1985 till 2018. And we talk

28:46

about what people do in their

28:49

lives. And Jerry Butler was a

28:51

great songwriter. He was a great

28:53

soul singer. He was also an

28:55

involved member of the community, you

28:57

guys. And he had a, he

28:59

chaired the Rhythm and Blues Foundation,

29:01

which helped musicians. Yeah, they got

29:03

medical. Yeah, medical benefits. And retired

29:05

benefits. That's huge. Yeah. Jerry Butler

29:07

was a fabulous person, much the

29:10

way that Curtis Mayfield was an

29:12

absolute civil rights activist. So was

29:14

Jerry Butler. And I'm going to

29:16

play a little jam here by

29:18

Jerry Butler. That was one of

29:20

the... He when he went over

29:22

to the Philly after the impressions

29:24

they broke up and they all

29:26

had solo careers and Jerry Butler

29:28

did take it easy on herself

29:30

that Bert Backrock song and he

29:33

also had a hit with Moon

29:35

River and they didn't ask him

29:37

to do a Moon River At

29:39

the Oscars they had Andy Williams

29:41

come in who had an even

29:43

bigger hit with it Jerry Butler

29:45

has a wonderful voice and this

29:47

was a big hit he had

29:49

with gambling My

29:51

mama had some great

29:53

advice so I thought

29:56

I'd put it in

29:58

a little bit into

30:00

this song. I can

30:02

still hear the saying,

30:04

boy. Boy! Boy! Oh,

30:06

I see you're sitting

30:08

out there all along.

30:10

Crying your eyes out,

30:12

cost the woman that

30:14

your love is gone.

30:17

Oh, there's no need,

30:19

that's going to be,

30:21

a whole lot of

30:23

trouble in the light.

30:25

Oh, that's a trouble.

30:28

All right, there's a message

30:31

for everybody. There's a message

30:33

for everybody, baby. Only the

30:35

song survive. All right, there's

30:38

a message for everybody, baby.

30:40

Only the song survive. And

30:43

by the way, Gamble and

30:45

Huff are still alive. I'm

30:47

still rocking the free world.

30:50

This is a song that

30:52

he wrote with Otis Redding

30:54

because Jerry Butler was an

30:57

awesome songwriter. And you may

30:59

recognize this one because Jennifer

31:02

and I just watched Monterey

31:04

pop. But if you want

31:06

to lift your spirits, the

31:09

Slystone documentary, awesome. You won

31:11

by Questlove. And I would

31:13

go back and watch Summer

31:16

of Soul by Questlove One

31:18

because it has some superb

31:20

performance including my favorite Gladus

31:23

Night in the show in

31:25

the Hellia Jackson. Monterey pop

31:28

and there's an extended one

31:30

that I saw last night

31:32

I think on Netflix or

31:35

whatever where there's even more

31:37

footage of Lotus and Monterey

31:39

but he does a set

31:42

that's just and his voice

31:44

yeah I've been loving you

32:09

to me.

32:11

Oh, love

32:14

in you.

32:16

Too long.

32:18

I don't

32:20

want to

32:22

stop now.

32:27

The live version is astonishing. So

32:30

dynamic, it just blows everyone away.

32:32

Otis Redding is the living end.

32:34

Jerry Butler has ascended to a

32:36

bright green cloud that lives in

32:38

the sky because he is irreplaceable.

32:40

Speaking of Otis Redding, when we

32:42

were in Macon, Georgia, and I

32:45

know I've said this on the

32:47

podcast, I can't remember, I went

32:49

to that grill there that's so

32:51

famous and on the wall of

32:53

pictures of all the stars and

32:55

of course the almond brothers who

32:57

won weren't rednecks which is the

33:00

fantastic part of the almond brothers.

33:02

Shocker. Yeah, Otis Redding is from

33:04

Macon so I would never stop

33:06

listening to Otis Redding the whole

33:08

time I was there but I

33:10

went to the age and age

33:12

and it's a down-home place very

33:15

you know not fancy and pictures

33:17

posters all over the wall. And

33:19

fantastically a giant poster that said,

33:21

Alman Brothers with Boz Skags and

33:23

support. And I wrote Boz Skags,

33:25

because Boz is from Texas and

33:27

I have an acquaintance with him

33:30

and we're friendly with Mr. Boz,

33:32

who's also a great rhythm and

33:34

blues artist, a white one, like

33:36

the Alman Brothers. And I was

33:38

looking at all the posters, I

33:40

was taking pictures of blah blah

33:42

blah blah, every star from Mac.

33:45

And there's a good old boy

33:47

in the corner who had a

33:49

long gray beard and a sunglasses

33:51

and a hat. takes your bag,

33:53

don't you? And I was like,

33:55

and I had awesome ribs and

33:57

greens and whatnot, just a terrific

34:00

place. Bacon is the scene of

34:02

so many groovy places and then

34:04

that record is on Stax which

34:06

brings me to this. Otis and

34:08

Jerry wrote that record for Stax,

34:10

Jerry Butler, and I'm going to

34:12

Memphis in a couple of weeks

34:15

with the Boys to do Whose

34:17

Line and every time we go

34:19

to Memphis we go to the

34:21

Stax Museum. And um... And I

34:23

always get gifts from there. Yeah,

34:25

there's lots of great gifts. I

34:27

have over the years I've gotten

34:30

Jennifer booker to Washington, booker T.

34:32

Washington's biography which they had autographed

34:34

it, which was fantastic. Black Moses,

34:36

the fold-out album by Isaac Hayes,

34:38

which is superb. And then the

34:40

oven mitts and stickers and all

34:42

things, if it's hot, it's on

34:45

stacks. So you say you'll be

34:47

in Memphis. When is that, Greg?

34:49

Well, all y'all were coming to

34:51

America. We've been playing the West

34:53

Coast for the first two months

34:55

here. Austin on March 5th. I

34:57

can't see that number, Jennifer. Yeah,

35:00

5th. March 5th will be in

35:02

Austin at the Paramount, March 7th

35:04

and Waco at the Hippodrome, March

35:06

8th and 9th in down in

35:08

Texas at the Merchant Performing Arts

35:10

Center just outside of Dallas. Then

35:12

Lake Charles, Louisiana at the Civic

35:15

Center. Speaking of Garth Hudson, who

35:17

we talked about in the last

35:19

podcast, Lake Charles Louisiana to go

35:21

to see my Bessie again. Then

35:23

Montgomery, Alabama at the Montgomery Performing

35:25

Arts Center on March 13th, March

35:27

15th at the Orpheum Theater in

35:30

Memphis, Tennessee, which is great fun.

35:32

And Martin Luther King Museum is

35:34

in Memphis, Tennessee, and the Stack

35:36

Museum. So you can really have

35:38

a wail of a time there.

35:40

The Sun Records Museum is really

35:42

good fun because before Sun Records

35:45

was famous for having Elvis and

35:47

Karl Perkins and not that lot,

35:49

Johnny Cash, they recorded almost all

35:51

blues records and including a group

35:53

of prisoners that were in prison

35:55

in town. Tennessee, but they recorded

35:57

them anyway and they ended up

36:00

having a touring and recording career.

36:02

Just unbelievable. Yeah, so some records

36:04

is not just Elvis Presley. It's

36:06

a really amazing place and very

36:08

dinky. Very dinky indeed. Stax Museum.

36:10

And I asked them the last

36:12

time I was there, how come

36:15

it's so fancy and how come

36:17

it's got all this great. There's

36:19

a theater there where they show

36:21

a movie and they've got all

36:23

the great. They've got Isaac Hayes,

36:25

Cadillac and all the Brigitte. Yeah,

36:27

all of the MGs. Rotating. Oh

36:30

yeah. They've got Carla Thomas' outfits.

36:32

They got Rufus Thomas' cape. They

36:34

got Isaac Hayes. Yeah, my favorite,

36:36

of course, Bobbyby blueboublands. Swaid shorty

36:38

boots with gold. Yeah, Bobby Boopan.

36:40

Who by the way Baskack's hero

36:42

was Bobby Booplan? Everything comes back.

36:45

I asked them how come they

36:47

have so much stuff in white

36:49

so fancy and why the gift

36:51

shop so great and the guy

36:53

went an anonymous donor. And I've

36:55

never been able to find out.

36:57

who put the money up for

37:00

the Stax Museum. So we're at

37:02

the Orpheum on March 18th in

37:04

Memphis, Tennessee. Then we go to

37:06

Huntsville, Alabama, which is one of

37:08

the giant aerospace centers in the

37:10

United States. We're going to be

37:12

playing, and you're going to love

37:15

this Jennifer, the Werner Braun Center.

37:17

Werner Braun Braun was a Nazi

37:19

who helped develop the Vichy rocket,

37:21

and then he became an American

37:23

aerospace engineer. As Tom Blair said,

37:25

in German and English I'm learning

37:27

to count down. Wow. or I

37:30

can count down and I'm learning

37:32

Chinese says Vernavam Brahm March 16th

37:34

that's a Sunday and then Athens

37:36

Georgia the hippest place if you

37:38

can say that in Georgia will

37:40

be at the University of Georgia

37:42

Performance Arts Center which is a

37:45

really good time who will be

37:47

with us Gary Anthony Williams also

37:49

Ryan will be there for a

37:51

couple shows he won't be there

37:53

for some and Dave Foley will

37:55

be there for a couple shows

37:57

as well so we got a

38:00

a groovy all-star all-line lineup come

38:02

to oh and Chip Weston will

38:04

be there for a bunch of

38:06

a bunch of shows so Chip

38:08

Dave Foley, Ryan, me, Gary Anthony

38:10

Williams. and our Jeff Bryan Davis

38:12

and Laura Hall is our musical

38:15

director. You can go to whose

38:17

live.com or Greg Proups.com and if

38:19

you're going to Greg Proups.com, the

38:21

film club has been on fire

38:23

lately. Jennifer's picked a lot of

38:25

awesome films. We just showed the

38:27

bells of St. Trinians, which Alistair

38:30

Sims just cracks me up and

38:32

he's just wonderful and he kind

38:34

of entered. Please it for him.

38:36

Yeah, considering he's a six foot

38:38

tall man in drag playing a

38:40

headmistress of a girl school and

38:42

there's nary and Nod to that

38:45

in the film. No, I mean,

38:47

he doesn't have to do anything

38:49

because there's a 10 year old

38:51

making a gin in their classroom.

38:53

Nitroglystern and stealing horses. The Bell's

38:55

Newtonians is a hilarious movie about

38:57

a girl school that's out of

39:00

control. And I mean like Jennifer

39:02

said, 10 year olds are going

39:04

crazy. There's also a field hockey

39:06

match in the game in the

39:08

movie that you'll never ever forgot

39:10

where the girls literally at one

39:12

point one of them says what

39:15

about the second half? There is

39:17

no second half. Exactly because they're

39:19

beating the other team senseless. We

39:21

also showed treats and all of

39:23

success last month. by Alexander McKittrick,

39:25

punched up by Clifford O'Dott's with

39:27

Tony Curtis's greatest role as Sydney

39:30

Falco. Well, his other greatest role

39:32

is, of course, um, Josephine and

39:34

some like at Ha. We also,

39:36

on the film club Moonstruck, the

39:38

Black Cats, Miles of a Summer

39:40

Night, eight and a half, the

39:42

landlord, very interesting picture by Hal

39:45

Ashby, with an almost all-black cast

39:47

and Bow Bridges. Diana Sands. We

39:49

were just talking about Pearl Bailey's

39:51

performance in it. Right, the great

39:53

Pearl Bailey, who I saw when

39:55

I was a little kid. My

39:57

mother loved Pearl Bailey and we

40:00

went to see her. And then

40:02

of course you can get my

40:04

album Purple Shasta Rachoon. If you

40:06

go to Gregproof.com and then all

40:08

the tickets for Who's live anyway

40:10

and jazz like that. You want

40:12

to do Roberta Flacker? Yeah. Roberta

40:15

Flack is never going to leave

40:17

us. And it's kind of impossible

40:19

to understand another, like Mr. Jasper,

40:21

Roberta Flack was classically trained and

40:23

was a prodigy when she was

40:25

a kid and got a scholarship

40:28

to go to Howard. She ended

40:30

up teaching as well. She was

40:32

living in Arlington, Virginia, which is

40:34

a suburb of DC. And Roberta

40:36

Flack, when we were little kids.

40:38

or tweens, I guess you'd say,

40:40

was dominant. There was a time

40:43

when she rose up and the

40:45

early 70s was a time when

40:47

Roberta Flack like took over soul

40:49

music and gave it a very

40:51

sultry, erotic, erotic, and sophisticated sound

40:53

that she took two folk songs

40:55

first time I ever saw your

40:58

face. Feel Like Make and Love,

41:00

which were both written by different

41:02

women and she made them her

41:04

own songs. First of my very,

41:06

I saw your face, she had

41:08

released in the late 60s and

41:10

then Clint Eastwood, yes, you're going

41:13

to hear Clint Eastwood on the

41:15

show, who has been directing movies

41:17

since time bloody began and been

41:19

in picture since, you know, ever,

41:21

is an enormous jazz fan and

41:23

of all of his faults of

41:25

which they are myriad. One thing

41:28

you cannot fault him on is

41:30

his taste in music. And he

41:32

put the Roberta Flocks on the

41:34

first time I ever saw your

41:36

face. So it was a hit

41:38

two years after she released it.

41:40

Right. She put the record out

41:43

and then it was in this

41:45

movie called Play Misty for me,

41:47

which is a Stalker movie, where

41:49

by the way Jessica Walter is

41:51

awesome in the movie. He plays

41:53

a jazz. DJ and Carmel Quinniswood,

41:55

you heard me, and every night

41:58

Jessica Walters calls and goes play

42:00

Misty for me, the song by

42:02

Earl Garner, that the great... jazz

42:04

piano serial carnival. And can we

42:06

just comment on the fact that

42:08

it's a woman stalking a man?

42:10

Right. Not, you know, your traditional

42:13

men stalking women. Clint Eastwood, unknown,

42:15

I don't know if the word

42:17

abusers, right, but certainly Clint Eastwood's

42:19

record with women, not something that

42:21

you really want to point at.

42:23

No. Stirling moment in American history.

42:25

However, he did have the foresight

42:28

to put this. her number in

42:30

the picture. Here's one that I

42:32

used to drive around with my

42:34

good buddy Jeff Belton and we

42:36

would drive around San Carlos and

42:38

Jeff had an awesome taste in

42:40

music too. He turned me on

42:43

to Keith, Jared and he loved

42:45

Jenny Mitchell. Yeah, this one's really

42:47

cute. And here's something about her

42:49

singles that I'll mention just here

42:51

with a couple we're going to

42:53

play. She won all the Grammys.

42:55

And there's a really groovy picture

42:58

of her, like the 73 Grammys

43:00

with John Lennon, David Bowie, and

43:02

Yoko. She lived in the Dakota.

43:04

She and Yoko were good friends.

43:06

Yeah, they were betties. It's really

43:08

awesome. There's no musical intro for

43:10

a piano player of her stature.

43:13

She jumps right in. And this

43:15

one you'll really gig. It's called

43:17

Feel Like Me Can Love. It

44:00

was the first time ever

44:02

I saw your face that

44:04

was written by... Another woman

44:07

as well, I think I

44:09

said the wrong song in

44:11

any case that song is

44:13

the jam and then one

44:16

of her mentors when she

44:18

was getting started And she's

44:20

a jazz musician as well

44:22

as a classical musician as

44:25

well as a soul musician

44:27

as well as a funk

44:29

musician as well as a

44:31

fun musician as well as

44:34

a civil rights She was

44:36

playing clubs in DC and

44:38

he championed her less McCann

44:40

the great jazz artist came

44:43

to see her and he

44:45

wrote this jam and this

44:47

is on her first record

44:49

And the man that we

44:52

go to see all the

44:54

time, Ron Carter, who is

44:56

playing in New York at

44:58

Carnegie Hall. He's on tour

45:01

now. He's playing Los Angeles

45:03

in March at the Catalina.

45:05

And if you have a

45:08

chance to see Ron Carter,

45:10

you really should, because he's

45:12

been on every jazz record,

45:14

every funk record, and every

45:17

soul record ever made. Is

45:19

this awesome protest song by

45:21

Les MacCan. that we wrote

45:23

a thought covers on your

45:26

first record compared to one.

45:28

Yeah, there's our wrong. We

45:30

got a lot of great

45:32

protest songs today, right? Yep.

46:01

And I

46:04

hate that

46:06

human love,

46:09

that's thinking

46:11

but How

46:44

funky's her version. So

46:46

funky, it's so good.

46:49

Then she of course

46:52

dewitted famously with another

46:54

awesome songwriter and singer

46:57

who was also a

46:59

civil rights activist who

47:02

I urge you to

47:04

listen to his song

47:07

in the ghetto, Donnie

47:09

Hathaway, who also wrote

47:12

this Christmas, one of

47:14

the great Christmas songs.

47:17

Here's a duet, my

47:19

favorite song that they

47:22

did together, although they

47:24

did a bunch of

47:27

songs together. Later, of

47:30

course, she duetted with

47:32

Pibo Bryson fantastically, but

47:35

this was also a

47:37

gigantic smash in the

47:40

70s. soon

47:47

as you would. Oh

48:00

my God, they're just...

48:02

magic. Oh my god,

48:04

Johnny Hathaway on Roberta

48:06

Flack. I'm going to

48:08

play one last little

48:10

one here, but what

48:12

I want to say,

48:14

there's no concluding on

48:17

Roberta Flack. She's an

48:19

ongoing situation in America

48:21

till the end of

48:23

time. Is that she's

48:25

a maestro. And one

48:27

of the people who

48:29

changed soul music, we

48:31

talked about, you know,

48:33

Ramsey Lewis. There's so

48:35

much yacht rock nonsense

48:37

going on now because

48:39

of that documentary and

48:41

everything. But like every

48:43

source of music, yacht

48:45

rock was invented by

48:47

black people. Quiet storm

48:50

was invented by black

48:52

people. Every subset and

48:54

subgenre of jazz, funk

48:56

soul. And these are

48:58

all the artists who

49:00

do it. Many of

49:02

them come from a

49:04

classical background. Almost every

49:06

great funk band you

49:08

can think of was

49:10

a jazz band before

49:12

they were a funk

49:14

band, which means they

49:16

learned composition, which means

49:18

they were classical musicians.

49:20

And I just don't

49:23

think there's any other

49:25

way to get around

49:27

it. And Roberta Flock

49:29

is one of those

49:31

Titanic talents. You can

49:33

see when she swirled

49:35

off this week, every

49:37

single songwriter. went over

49:39

the top about her,

49:41

Carol King. And I

49:43

mean, it's just, there's

49:45

no measure. It was

49:47

brutal losing her. There

49:49

are so many musicians

49:51

that just worshipped her

49:54

like Luther Van Dros.

49:56

She was so important.

49:58

Right? And here's one.

50:00

It reminds me of

50:02

Billy Paul's, Am I Black

50:04

Enough For You? And it's

50:06

called Be Real Black For

50:09

Me. Roberta

51:35

Flack building heaven

51:37

cloud by cloud. You guys

51:39

will be real happy if

51:41

you dig into Roberta Flax

51:44

catalog and you'll be

51:46

really really extra super happy

51:48

if you listen to

51:50

the Donnie Hathaway and Roberta

51:53

Flack stuff. She's magic. That's

53:13

Marianne Faithful, who swirled

53:15

on recently at the

53:17

age of 78. That

53:19

was from her album

53:21

Broken English. She wrote

53:23

the song in 1979

53:25

and it was quite

53:27

a shock because people

53:29

had thought of her

53:31

as this pretty innocent

53:33

blonde who had a

53:35

pop career in England

53:37

in the 60s and

53:39

she'd been a McJagger's

53:41

girlfriend which people

53:44

wanted to define her as

53:46

but that was a brief

53:49

moment in her life.

53:51

She was always a

53:53

serious reader someone that

53:55

was as Nick Cave

53:57

said not just a

53:59

fierce unique talent but the

54:01

stored knowledge of a generation

54:04

was lost. Through her extraordinary

54:06

defiant and lived in voice

54:08

Marian brought her own maverick

54:11

truth to every song she

54:13

sang, every story she spoke.

54:15

She was somebody that was

54:18

a voracious reader who listened

54:20

to music, who actually read

54:22

music, who would casually drop

54:24

things into interviews like, oh

54:27

they found Anne Boleyn's songbook.

54:29

She would, she said

54:31

she was listening to

54:34

17th century music, but

54:36

the kind of

54:38

performances she put on

54:41

after this this idyllic,

54:43

angelic pop creature

54:45

that she was supposed

54:48

to be was somebody

54:50

who was so worldlyly

54:53

wise and Every song

54:55

she sings seemed to be

54:57

about her own life. There

54:59

is one song from the

55:02

broken English album Guilt

55:04

where she says if I

55:06

stole a scarf from Herod's,

55:08

you know, they wouldn't miss

55:11

it. And that she never

55:13

gave to the rich, she

55:15

never stole from the poor.

55:18

And it just sounds like

55:20

something she's lived. Every bit

55:22

of... I never met her, I had

55:24

an opportunity a couple times, it didn't

55:27

happen, and I was, I have to

55:29

say I was a bit scared. And

55:31

a friend of ours... And she's

55:33

a formidable figure. Dare I

55:35

say she's a little intellectual

55:38

for the rock crowd? Very

55:40

much so. Because she's a

55:42

little more interdisciplinary, as they say.

55:44

Well, yeah. An article

55:46

that I found refreshing about

55:48

her in the Guardian that

55:51

was instead of who she

55:53

had slept with it was

55:56

Mike is Mick Jagger famous

55:58

yes Alexis Petritus, how

56:01

would you pronounce his

56:03

last name? I'm sorry. Yeah, I

56:05

think it's Petritus, or Petritus,

56:07

if you will. He

56:09

wrote, Marianne Faithful was

56:11

a towering artist, not

56:13

just the muse she

56:15

was painted as. And

56:17

he points out, unlike

56:19

her contemporaries of 1964,

56:21

she went on to

56:23

work with avant-garde collaborators.

56:25

And in the early 2000s, I

56:28

saw her do black writer, She

56:30

was, she played the, who wrote

56:32

Blackwater? It was, the book was

56:35

William Burrows. The music

56:37

was Tom Waits. The, the

56:39

director was Robert Wilson. So

56:42

some esoteric jazz. Right?

56:44

It was, it was really perfect

56:46

that she plays the, the, the,

56:49

uh, devil in it. And yet

56:51

she played God in Abfam.

56:53

Exactly. And Anita Palenberg, her

56:56

good friend, was the devil

56:58

in that. And she said

57:01

that they spoke every day

57:03

until Anita died. And how

57:06

about that? There was an

57:08

interview with her in Mojo

57:11

when she was doing Black

57:13

Writer, where she says... You

57:15

know, just when you think that

57:18

she's this, as Mark Radcliffe,

57:20

the DJ said to us

57:22

when he interviewed her in the 90s,

57:24

somehow despite her wild life,

57:26

she looked quite as he

57:28

put it mumsy. Yeah. And

57:30

he meant that she looked

57:33

quite hail and hearty and

57:35

seemed like a reasonable person.

57:37

But in this interview,

57:39

she said, she says, you'd think

57:41

in real life I had

57:43

degraded myself quite enough. And

57:45

Kerry Fisher said to her,

57:47

you might think you were degraded

57:49

enough, but believe me, not nearly

57:52

enough for Hollywood. Oh my. What

57:54

the great lines. She said, I'm

57:56

still great friends with some of

57:58

my coke dealers. if and but

58:01

I've not kept close friends

58:03

with my heroin dealers at

58:05

all and you know you

58:07

kind of don't know is

58:09

she just having a bit

58:11

of fun or was was that

58:13

honest her a little too

58:15

smart for the room exactly

58:18

and and and worldlyly

58:20

and dishonest and dishonest

58:22

at the same time

58:24

I I never met her

58:26

as I said but friend of

58:28

ours Penny Arcade was performing

58:30

in Dublin and I phoned

58:32

her from London to wish

58:34

her well and she was

58:36

backstage and she was kind

58:38

of harried and put out

58:40

because she said Marianne was

58:43

there, but she was on acid

58:45

and immediately handed the phone to

58:47

Marianne. So suddenly, I was on

58:50

the phone with Marian Faithful, but

58:52

she was on acid. And of

58:54

course, I was just, you know,

58:57

like, what do you say to

58:59

this person that's seen it all

59:02

and his friends with, you know,

59:04

this... poets and artists and authors

59:06

and filmmakers and I found it so

59:08

I just thought well we'll just try

59:10

to have fun and I found her

59:13

really kind of childlike and being

59:15

open-minded that way so of course

59:17

she was like that you know

59:19

because she had a catholosity of

59:21

taste. Yeah here get on the phone

59:23

with my friend Jennifer. Yeah that

59:25

was That was quite something. You kind

59:28

of did meet her, didn't you? Well, yeah,

59:30

in that way. Then she was high on

59:32

psychedelic drugs. Get this. Broken English

59:34

when it came out. No one

59:37

was expecting it. No one was

59:39

expecting her voice. And for God's

59:41

sakes, you know, we think that

59:43

things haven't gotten better. But when

59:46

that came out, it's sort of

59:48

mind-blowing to think of

59:50

how people acted as though she was

59:52

100 years old. Right? And 79. And

59:54

you know, you mean 13 years after

59:56

her big hit or whatever?

59:59

And she's 100? Already, even

1:00:01

though she, this is described

1:00:03

as a time in her

1:00:05

life where she was still

1:00:07

an addict, she was really,

1:00:10

things weren't looking up for

1:00:12

her at this point, but

1:00:14

still she was able to

1:00:16

get together Chris Blackwell. supported

1:00:18

her. Is Mr. Virgin

1:00:21

Records, is he? Island.

1:00:23

Island, excuse me. Barry

1:00:25

Reynolds was was her accompanist

1:00:28

and support for a long

1:00:30

time and he's on the

1:00:32

album. He worked with Grace

1:00:35

Jones and Baba Mall and

1:00:37

he's still with a Steve

1:00:40

Wynwood is on the

1:00:42

album. Hethcott Reynolds.

1:00:44

Wrote the song when you do yourself

1:00:46

a favor and listen to that wild

1:00:49

song, which her band was not prepared.

1:00:51

Which one would you do it? Why

1:00:53

did you do what you did?

1:00:55

Derek German did a short film

1:00:57

in support of it. The famous

1:01:00

filmmaker. How Wilner was always in

1:01:02

her corner and he got her

1:01:04

to do the curt vial tribute

1:01:06

which she's perfect for. You had

1:01:09

that right on vinyl. Absolutely. She's

1:01:11

you know, it was a curt

1:01:13

vial tribute and everybody did a

1:01:16

different song and she did

1:01:18

the soldiers wife by curt

1:01:20

vial. Yeah, ballative. Yeah, I

1:01:22

mean, she's she was someone

1:01:24

that had been on stage

1:01:26

with Glenda Jackson. You

1:01:29

know, that's three sisters,

1:01:32

was it? Hamlet? Hamlet?

1:01:34

She did check off

1:01:36

Shakespeare? Yeah, yeah. She

1:01:38

did a couple of

1:01:40

albums with Nick Cave.

1:01:43

The last album was

1:01:45

with Nick Cave. PJ

1:01:47

Harvey, John Bryan. And

1:01:49

that's a beautiful song,

1:01:51

City of Quartz. She,

1:01:53

there's a really wonderful

1:01:56

concert online where

1:01:58

I think every everything

1:02:00

comes together. She's, I think,

1:02:02

wearing a Ib San Laurent

1:02:05

suit hilariously, she said in

1:02:07

a late interview that she would...

1:02:09

encounter him. She lived in Paris

1:02:11

for quite some time and that

1:02:14

he was starting to look more

1:02:16

and more like his bulldog. Will

1:02:18

you also please say what she

1:02:20

called her flat in Paris? Oh yeah,

1:02:22

she said that it was a working,

1:02:24

it's not a fancy flat, it's a

1:02:27

working flat, it's a working flat.

1:02:29

I love that. Which I'm stealing.

1:02:31

So there's a concert online that's

1:02:34

wonderful, shot by the BBC, it

1:02:36

was at... St. Luke's,

1:02:38

London Symphony

1:02:40

Orchestra from 2009

1:02:42

and it's, she just looks

1:02:45

so in control and at

1:02:47

ease when you and I

1:02:50

saw her in the 90s.

1:02:52

No, late 80s. In

1:02:54

San Francisco. She was

1:02:57

so nervous. She smoked

1:02:59

and drank coffee through the

1:03:01

whole show. And the crowd was

1:03:03

just there. to adore her and

1:03:06

at one point someone yelled, we

1:03:08

love you. May I do that?

1:03:10

Oh yes please. She was killing

1:03:12

the crowd, she's very nervous, she

1:03:15

sang all of her songs, she

1:03:17

sang broken English, she sang as

1:03:19

tears goodbye everything and really really

1:03:21

wonderful in that fantastically shaky croaky

1:03:24

voice that she had and completely

1:03:26

chain smoking through the show with

1:03:28

a cup in her hand and

1:03:30

then someone yelled we love you

1:03:33

Marianne and she might beat. And

1:03:35

I love you. She was a force

1:03:37

on stage. Are you going to play

1:03:39

that version? You're talking about

1:03:41

for the concert? Oh yeah. Play

1:03:44

that one and then we'll play

1:03:46

a couple of other jams here

1:03:48

by her. And I'd like to

1:03:51

play the John Bryan one because

1:03:53

it's so beautifully produced. She's a

1:03:55

worthy artist, you know. Well I

1:03:57

realized, you know, I mean, I had...

1:04:00

listen to her so much

1:04:02

for so many years and

1:04:04

then not so much recently

1:04:06

but reading about her I

1:04:09

mean that's what I've been

1:04:11

doing the the last couple

1:04:13

of weeks I just went

1:04:15

down the rabbit hole of

1:04:18

because her interviews online there's

1:04:20

so much that you can

1:04:22

watch and listen to are

1:04:24

so entertaining. You know, she

1:04:27

doesn't, she, she, there's, there's

1:04:29

one with her on Israeli

1:04:31

TV where they talk about

1:04:33

her, her grandparents in Austria

1:04:36

being Jewish and being in

1:04:38

the resistance. And, right, exactly.

1:04:40

I mean, there's just, she

1:04:42

has a wealth of experience.

1:04:45

Here's, as tears go by.

1:04:47

Which was written for her

1:04:49

by Mick, right? Mick and

1:04:52

Keith. I

1:05:13

said and watch

1:05:16

the children play.

1:05:19

Smilting faces, I

1:05:21

can see my...

1:05:45

She says at the

1:05:47

end of this performance

1:05:50

that it was the

1:05:52

first time she had

1:05:54

sung the 60s arrangement.

1:05:56

And I think it

1:05:58

shows her strength of

1:06:01

character that she had been dragged

1:06:03

through the mud in the 60s

1:06:05

as a girlfriend and then a

1:06:07

drug addict and really abused by

1:06:09

the press as this because she

1:06:11

was a woman that was supposed

1:06:13

to be an angelic blonde but

1:06:15

was a real person with thoughts

1:06:18

and ideas and that just can't

1:06:20

happen. No, it was hard for

1:06:22

them and also the famous drug

1:06:24

bust at Redlands when the Stones

1:06:26

had to go to court and

1:06:28

everything. Marianne was purportedly naked in

1:06:30

a bare rug was it or

1:06:32

and that was enough for the

1:06:34

press for the rest of their

1:06:36

lives that she was the naked

1:06:38

girl at the party. Well I

1:06:41

mean in in all of the

1:06:43

articles a couple of weeks ago

1:06:45

that was in the English press

1:06:47

again I mean it just never

1:06:49

stopped. Oh, sorry. Can I throw

1:06:51

in two great rock facts that

1:06:53

are very 70s FM radio from

1:06:55

the dude's point of view? If

1:06:57

you want to talk about her

1:06:59

influence in rock, on the album

1:07:01

Stickyfinger, she wrote the song Sister

1:07:04

Morphine. which the stones finally I

1:07:06

think acknowledged certainly Keith did and

1:07:08

she had to fight for that

1:07:10

yeah and then while she was

1:07:12

in the play with Glenda Jackson

1:07:14

on the West End in London

1:07:16

she was reading the novel by

1:07:18

Vladimir Bulgakov the very famous now

1:07:20

novel called The Master and Marguerita

1:07:22

which is a book about transmogrification

1:07:24

and mysticism and mostly what Russia

1:07:27

was like. in the 40s. Using

1:07:29

the devil is a metaphor he

1:07:31

comes to Moscow and he's a

1:07:33

down-at-heels devil with a very colorful

1:07:35

retinue including a cat that talks

1:07:37

and the book is astonishingly good

1:07:39

and it's also a book about

1:07:41

you can't destroy people's memories because

1:07:43

I believe the operative line in

1:07:45

the whole or the thesis is

1:07:48

manuscripts don't burn. An author is

1:07:50

famously in the book he writes

1:07:52

a book. The book is burned.

1:07:54

And then, strangely in real life,

1:07:56

Boghokov's book never came out while

1:07:58

it was... when it was written

1:08:00

in the 40s, his wife brought

1:08:02

it back, a manuscript she had

1:08:04

found, and in the 60s it

1:08:06

was reprinted, and that's why she

1:08:08

was reading it at the time,

1:08:11

gave it to McJagger, and he

1:08:13

wrote the song, Sympathy for the

1:08:15

Devil. There you are. And there's

1:08:17

your rock fact of the day.

1:08:19

Well, and this is from that

1:08:21

same Guardian article, he says, You

1:08:23

would never accuse her of trading

1:08:25

on past glories or of knocking

1:08:27

out an album in order to

1:08:29

tour, as many of her peers

1:08:31

were evidently doing. For someone whose

1:08:34

public image was inexorably linked with

1:08:36

what she had done 50 years

1:08:38

earlier, she seemed artistically intent on

1:08:40

pressing forward. Warren Ellis who said

1:08:42

in the group with Nick Cave

1:08:44

said she walked through the whole

1:08:46

thing on her own terms it's

1:08:48

not hard to imagine Faithful would

1:08:50

have thought that a fitting epitaph.

1:08:52

Fair enough. You want to play

1:08:54

one more here by her? Yes,

1:08:57

please. Which one? This one? That

1:08:59

one? Either. Okay. Our old pal

1:09:01

John Bryan made a record whether

1:09:03

when we used to do the

1:09:05

show with him at Largo here

1:09:07

in Los Angeles and We're all

1:09:09

very excited and this is their

1:09:11

collaboration on a record called City

1:09:13

of Courts. Right.

1:10:00

Oh, famous

1:10:02

clean. Something

1:10:04

to charm.

1:10:26

What a beautiful presentation for her.

1:10:29

It was such a groovy collaboration.

1:10:31

They wrote that song, but also

1:10:33

John had such a feel to

1:10:35

put in the the the clicking

1:10:38

in the beginning and then a

1:10:40

phonograph needle drops on an old

1:10:42

tane and then you hear the

1:10:45

music box in the background and

1:10:47

her voice is so honest and

1:10:49

edgy and always kind of emotionally

1:10:52

raw. Yeah, and gee whiz that's

1:10:54

a a great statement. She was

1:10:56

able to make records with lots

1:10:59

of groovy people, which says a

1:11:01

lot about what people thought of

1:11:03

her artistry, don't you think? That

1:11:06

only the sort of rock press

1:11:08

and, you know, the radio, more

1:11:10

interested, everyone else was interested. They

1:11:12

really enjoyed collaborating with her because

1:11:15

she was open to new things

1:11:17

and always brought ideas to the

1:11:19

table about what she'd been, you

1:11:22

know, listening to or reading. You

1:11:24

know, she was always looking and

1:11:26

searching. Do you want to play

1:11:29

any other? Or should we rock

1:11:31

it up? I love. All right,

1:11:33

well let's play this one and

1:11:36

then. Marian Faithful, from the 60s

1:11:38

to now, a bread and scope

1:11:40

of work, dozens of albums, a

1:11:43

bunch of live albums, lots of

1:11:45

concerts, lots of concerts, lots of

1:11:47

concerts, lots of concerts. She was

1:11:49

an actress and artist and had

1:11:52

something to say. Sign

1:12:22

of judgment, yes. Sign of

1:12:24

judgment, yes. Sign of judgment,

1:12:26

I am, yes. Sign of

1:12:28

judgment, yes. Sign of judgment,

1:12:30

yeah. Sign of judgment, I

1:12:32

ain't law. I love that

1:12:35

one. That's from Strange Weather

1:12:37

and that was an album

1:12:39

that it's all covers and

1:12:41

she said oh it was

1:12:43

such a relief because I

1:12:45

think it she put so

1:12:47

much of her personal life

1:12:49

into the song she wrote.

1:12:51

Right. And you know it's

1:12:53

so maddening to read today

1:12:56

read that that her albums

1:12:58

are Smashes once again, you

1:13:00

know, like she's she's it

1:13:02

says last week Forbes of

1:13:04

all places said she scored

1:13:06

a hit album last week

1:13:08

in the UK Yeah, and

1:13:10

you know things were really

1:13:12

tough for her during the

1:13:14

pandemic as with all performers

1:13:16

and she had bad COVID

1:13:19

and I think that's part

1:13:21

of why she swirled on

1:13:23

recently was because she never

1:13:25

really recovered from them. No,

1:13:27

certainly not. Speaking of people

1:13:29

swirling people swirling on and

1:13:31

rock and roll are David

1:13:33

Johansson is Definitely kicking up

1:13:35

a storm in the afterlife.

1:13:37

Let's just hear this jam

1:13:40

Probably the New York dolls

1:13:42

most famous jam and that

1:13:44

most transgressive awesome and like

1:13:46

the velvet underground it wasn't

1:13:48

that the New York dolls

1:13:50

sold a

1:13:52

lot of records.

1:13:54

It was

1:13:56

that everyone who

1:13:58

ever everyone them

1:14:00

or heard

1:14:03

them or heard band.

1:14:05

a band. Well,

1:14:31

we can't take it this way.

1:14:33

It comes as a one -on

1:14:35

-one experience. Hold

1:14:37

it for a better thing. That's

1:14:39

what you say, not what you say. All

1:14:42

about that personality crisis.

1:14:44

You got it while it

1:14:46

wasn't hot. But

1:14:49

now compensation the

1:14:51

party is what you collect. I'm

1:14:54

a sold a lot records.

1:15:07

We're gonna try to be something.

1:15:10

Now you gotta do something. Wanna

1:15:12

be someone. Now, now, now. What

1:15:14

you think about the parts you

1:15:16

didn't think together had? Yeah.

1:15:38

He really was, as

1:15:41

he a walk and talk and -and -talk

1:15:43

Oh my show. I mean, he was the

1:15:45

New York was Right. He's York unsung

1:15:47

rock star. He's in a He's the

1:15:49

great was so star. He's

1:15:51

in a band that was

1:15:53

so influential. stole band stole

1:15:55

their look. Bowie, everybody.

1:15:57

They wore They wore

1:15:59

women's clothing. They were

1:16:01

high heels, they dressed up. As

1:16:04

he said, people said, they were

1:16:06

drug addicts, they were drag queens,

1:16:08

and that whole kind of trashy,

1:16:10

blah, blah, blah, putting it back

1:16:12

together again, I realized it really

1:16:15

is art. Right, fantastic. And what

1:16:17

was the other one? Things were

1:16:19

so, there was a very strict

1:16:21

order in those days. Straight, gay,

1:16:23

vegetarian, whatever. We wanted to break

1:16:26

that down. And also, what was

1:16:28

it? They wanted to bring little

1:16:30

Richard energy back to rock and

1:16:32

roll. Yes. This is the early

1:16:34

70s, so it's a groovy time

1:16:37

of bloat. And then this is

1:16:39

the downtown group. So what does

1:16:41

someone say? They're the most New

1:16:43

York group of all time because

1:16:45

he's from Staten Island. Well, what's,

1:16:48

well, right, they're from Queens, Bronx,

1:16:50

Brooklyn. Billy Mercia was from Bogota,

1:16:52

originally. Sill, Sylvain was from Cairo.

1:16:54

He was a Jewish Syrian from

1:16:56

Cairo. Johnny Thunders, his family was...

1:16:59

Irish? Irish? David Johansson is Swedish?

1:17:02

Norwegian? Yeah, Norwegian and Arthur Kane's

1:17:04

family was Swedish. Wow. So yeah,

1:17:06

just a wild group of people.

1:17:08

Arthur Kane, there was a documentary

1:17:10

about him called New York doll,

1:17:12

where David Johansson as always is

1:17:15

so witty. At one point he

1:17:17

asked him because Arthur was Mormon.

1:17:19

Will you do with the voice?

1:17:21

Yeah, yeah. He lights up a

1:17:23

cigarette backstage. The New York dolls

1:17:26

broke up after a lot of

1:17:28

trauma. Then they did this awesome

1:17:30

festival in London. Yes, Morris, he

1:17:32

asked them to do meltdown. Meltdown

1:17:34

festival. Morris, he was given the

1:17:36

helm to curate who he wanted.

1:17:39

And because he famously, his favorite

1:17:41

band ever was the New York

1:17:43

dolls as a teenage boy. Right,

1:17:45

he used to write the magazines

1:17:47

and say... uh... this local ban

1:17:50

you're they're gonna kick your ass

1:17:52

the New York dolls are going

1:17:54

to come to town and kick

1:17:56

your ass sign Stephen Morrissey 15

1:17:58

yeah so he picked them They

1:18:00

were such a smash with the

1:18:03

three that were there, Arthur Sill

1:18:05

and David, that they did two

1:18:07

sold out nights at the Royal

1:18:09

Albert Hall or Festival Hall, and

1:18:11

then they knew after that it

1:18:14

took off. They did three more

1:18:16

albums and went on the road

1:18:18

for eight years. Poor Arthur passed

1:18:20

away. But Arthur passed away. But

1:18:22

Arthur comes backstage and he's been

1:18:25

a Mormon and he hasn't played

1:18:27

in ages. And David and him

1:18:29

haven't seen each other. And David's

1:18:31

got a cigarette going and he

1:18:33

goes off. He's a Mormon. David

1:18:35

said, still had finesse, Johnny had

1:18:38

that rogue elephant in heat thing

1:18:40

and Arthur couldn't breathe and play

1:18:42

at the same time. Let's play

1:18:44

one more. They're also, part of

1:18:46

why they weren't a smash on

1:18:49

the radio is straight guy DJs

1:18:51

and people who held the music

1:18:53

industry together in those days weren't

1:18:55

ready for a big group of

1:18:57

guys from New York. to be

1:18:59

in drag. Well, you're not going

1:19:02

to believe this, but Rod Stewart

1:19:04

wanted them to tour with him

1:19:06

in England. That's how they got

1:19:08

to England in 1972. Really? Yes.

1:19:10

They opened for him at Wembley

1:19:13

Arena. Oh, fantastic. And there's a

1:19:15

through line of clothing, the flamboyants

1:19:17

of their appearance. Boas, women's hats.

1:19:19

Well, David Johanza talks about, Granny

1:19:21

takes a trip. Our friend John

1:19:24

Puris's store. Rod Stewart of course

1:19:26

dressed and granny takes the trip

1:19:28

suits. Well, there's no band after

1:19:30

them. and rock and roll that

1:19:32

didn't steal an element from the

1:19:34

New York dolls. And this and

1:19:37

they weren't exactly making a huge

1:19:39

case for heterosexuality anymore. I remember

1:19:41

on a really a podcast long

1:19:43

ago I talked about watching their

1:19:45

YouTube which is still there of

1:19:48

them on midnight special which is

1:19:50

the 70s rock and roll show

1:19:52

that only played on Saturday night

1:19:54

right there was two shows Don

1:19:56

Christian's rock concert and the midnight

1:19:58

special and they brought off the

1:20:01

dolls out to do it. And

1:20:03

it was a studio in LA

1:20:05

and the crowd in LA hasn't

1:20:07

any notion of what to make

1:20:09

of them at all. And they're

1:20:12

thrashing around. They were not ready

1:20:14

for that. And the thing that's

1:20:16

so wonderful is when they met

1:20:18

each other, they didn't, David Johansson

1:20:20

describes in that Arthur Kane film

1:20:22

about. meeting, being asked to join

1:20:25

them and none of them ever

1:20:27

questioned that their look, their sound,

1:20:29

they just seem to organically come

1:20:31

together. They all agree they should

1:20:33

wear women's clothing and have crazy

1:20:36

hair and do these insane songs.

1:20:38

This one, I'm not sure what

1:20:40

the subject matter is, you can

1:20:42

decide. They rock, you can say

1:20:44

that. was

1:21:16

my pain. They make a, they

1:21:18

strike a blow for rock and

1:21:21

roll, they strike a blow for

1:21:23

gender bending, they strike a ball

1:21:25

for not observing gender roles, they

1:21:27

strike a blow for creative freedom

1:21:29

from taking nothing. They had to

1:21:32

go get scavenged the women's clothing,

1:21:34

they absolutely do it yourself banned

1:21:36

from New York, that it anticipates

1:21:38

punk and informs every... punk, glam,

1:21:41

blah, blah, blah, blah, everything that

1:21:43

comes after. Lady Gaga is doing

1:21:45

the New York dolls. There's an

1:21:47

incredible video clip of them performing

1:21:49

in, I think, a basement in

1:21:52

New York. And the audience is

1:21:54

on the floor with them. There

1:21:56

is no. stage David Johansson is

1:21:58

wearing a nurses outfit and he

1:22:01

and Johnny Thundards are sharing a

1:22:03

mic. I saw David Johansson after

1:22:05

his second solo album came out.

1:22:07

So I'm in San Francisco with

1:22:10

the David Johansson group. The first

1:22:12

solo album I think is a

1:22:14

perfect album. He produced it. He

1:22:16

wrote several of those songs with

1:22:18

Sill who is his lifelong. best

1:22:21

friend. Will you play? That album

1:22:23

is called David Johansson. Oh, it's

1:22:25

so good. And he's on the

1:22:27

front cover just his face. And

1:22:30

he's so sexy. We mentioned that.

1:22:32

He's dead sexy. He's six foot

1:22:34

two, three, skinny. My dear friend

1:22:36

Jen waited on him at City

1:22:39

Lights and... described seeing him in

1:22:41

the store and then waiting on

1:22:43

him like he was describing, he

1:22:45

had just discovered the shroud of

1:22:47

Turin. I think, what did you

1:22:50

say he thought he was McJagger?

1:22:52

Yeah, well upstairs, he saw him

1:22:54

from upstairs and looking down at

1:22:56

the hair and the tiny waist

1:22:59

and then he came downstairs and

1:23:01

I had to hear, yeah, it

1:23:03

was like a, you know, step

1:23:05

by step, recreation. Each moment of

1:23:08

being your David your Handsons has

1:23:10

a choxim to everybody. I think

1:23:12

is across the board. Also his

1:23:14

super super New York attitude and

1:23:16

very funny. Oh my god he's

1:23:19

so witty. And this album I

1:23:21

wore out. It came out in

1:23:23

78. Funny out all well anyway.

1:23:25

It was it's really rock and

1:23:28

rock and roll. We

1:24:33

have always played this album. Yeah.

1:24:35

This is a very pro David

1:24:37

Johansson household. In two separate locations

1:24:40

we were listening to it as

1:24:42

teenagers. A friend of mine I

1:24:44

was playing it and he came

1:24:46

over to my crib and about

1:24:48

two or three weeks later he

1:24:51

was back at my crib and

1:24:53

the album was still on the

1:24:55

turntable. In those days people would

1:24:57

see what you were playing and

1:24:59

he went do you listen to

1:25:01

any other records and I'm like

1:25:04

I'm digging this one so hard.

1:25:06

Well, and I remember buying a

1:25:08

copy in Sweden about 10 years

1:25:10

ago. Yeah. I was like, I

1:25:12

have to buy this again. And

1:25:15

I'm going to add more rock

1:25:17

to this. Marty Piper Wilson from

1:25:19

The Church, who is under the,

1:25:21

was there song? He was making

1:25:23

fun of me for buying it

1:25:26

in Sweden, but I mean he

1:25:28

had to admit that it was

1:25:30

a fantastic album But he's he's

1:25:32

one to talk because I think

1:25:34

he said he bought a couple

1:25:36

dozen albums in Tokyo He also

1:25:39

said that he had 80 was

1:25:41

it 30,000 albums in a 30,000

1:25:43

albums vinyl albums in a shack

1:25:45

in Some were in England. In

1:25:47

England. Yeah. And he said mostly

1:25:50

rhythm and blues, rock. Marty Pepper

1:25:52

Wilson was the guitarist for the

1:25:54

church. He's an excellent guitar. Still

1:25:56

on the road. And we met

1:25:58

him in Stockholm working at this

1:26:01

record store. And he's since moved

1:26:03

back and is playing all the

1:26:05

time. Yeah, Jennifer bought French hat

1:26:07

from him and he was like,

1:26:09

really? David Johansson. And this is

1:26:11

a person who, I mean, excuse

1:26:14

me, French hat, bought David Johansson.

1:26:16

There's a person who 30,000 records.

1:26:18

I mean, he's a degenerate record

1:26:20

collector. And then said to us

1:26:22

fantastically at dinner that night, which

1:26:25

we went to dinner with this

1:26:27

really cute place. He goes, so

1:26:29

how did two kids like you

1:26:31

get into jazz? Which I thought

1:26:33

was. Well, I think I made

1:26:36

some snarky remark about him not.

1:26:38

having any jazz collection. Rock and

1:26:40

roll and rhythm and blues and

1:26:42

blues. Oh, because I bought Ornet

1:26:44

Coleman. That's right. You bought Ornet

1:26:46

Coleman and he was like, oh,

1:26:49

esoteric. In any case, David Johansson

1:26:51

was like Jennifer and like Hal

1:26:53

Wilner and like Marty Pepper Wilson,

1:26:55

a musicologist. And David Johansson spent

1:26:57

a good deal of time. I

1:27:00

mean, a record show on Sirius

1:27:02

FM. Good, it was so informative

1:27:04

and he was so devoted to

1:27:06

what he was playing. I remember

1:27:08

parking somewhere and sitting in the

1:27:11

car to listen to the rest

1:27:13

of the show. Yeah, he was

1:27:15

really eclectic and then they took

1:27:17

him off their main dial and

1:27:19

relegated him to the cable and

1:27:21

he still carried on doing it.

1:27:24

And he always had a message

1:27:26

of positivity. He was a screaming

1:27:28

liberal. He supported Hillary, he supported

1:27:30

Biden, he supported all about different

1:27:32

genres of music, rhythm and blues,

1:27:35

black music in America, his group

1:27:37

that Harry Smiths that he was

1:27:39

in was a real, like almost

1:27:41

archivist project because Harry Smith was

1:27:43

a famous American archivist of music

1:27:46

and a recorder of music and

1:27:48

particularly black folk music and black

1:27:50

music and black music and so

1:27:52

David Johansson's devotion to that one

1:27:54

of the great covers by that

1:27:56

band you were talking about the

1:27:59

David Johansson band that's on those

1:28:01

two great albums from the late

1:28:03

70s early 80s early 80s. is

1:28:05

a reach out, I'll be there

1:28:07

by the four tops. And speaking

1:28:10

of which, because Duke Fakir, who

1:28:12

we talked about in the last

1:28:14

podcast before, was the last member

1:28:16

of the Four Tops to be

1:28:18

alive. And in the song, Frenchet,

1:28:21

he mentions Levi Stubbs by name,

1:28:23

the lead singer of the Four

1:28:25

Tops. His devotion to music, I

1:28:27

think, is part of, he's also

1:28:29

from a theater background. He started

1:28:31

doing the lights for the ridiculous

1:28:34

theater in New York. Charles Loebel.

1:28:36

The downtown scene, CBGBs, the gay

1:28:38

scene, the theater scene, the eclectic

1:28:40

rock scene, and I think that's

1:28:42

the information that David Johick has

1:28:45

and brings to everything in that

1:28:47

empathy. and that love of the...

1:28:49

Well, I was reading one of

1:28:51

his interviews when he was talking

1:28:53

about when he first left Staten

1:28:56

Island, take the ferry to go

1:28:58

into New York to the... Lower

1:29:00

East Side to St. Mark's all

1:29:02

the different clubs that were there

1:29:04

when he was 13 14 and

1:29:06

then things were really brutal in

1:29:09

the early 70s and I always

1:29:11

think of like the opening of

1:29:13

dog day afternoon you know with

1:29:15

the dog and the garbage and

1:29:17

burning garbage hands I first went

1:29:20

to New York as a kid

1:29:22

in I think 1972 and I

1:29:24

was really I really couldn't believe

1:29:26

how down and things were and

1:29:28

so that's the era when the

1:29:31

new york dolls are coming together

1:29:33

they're making their own clothes there

1:29:35

there are no venues for them

1:29:37

they're really intimate with their audience

1:29:39

it was a whole other bag

1:29:41

and he's bringing all of that

1:29:44

the theater experience the the love

1:29:46

of you know little Richard being

1:29:48

the template hello yeah The original

1:29:50

transgressive gender bendy all out rock

1:29:52

and roll wild man as he

1:29:55

said elephant sex drive And that's

1:29:57

I think I find David it

1:29:59

Joe Hansen not only funny and

1:30:01

delightful and of course he's very

1:30:03

funny and creep show and I

1:30:06

mean a telesome crypt whatever there's

1:30:08

a scorsazy documentary from just a

1:30:10

couple of years ago that but

1:30:12

has interviews with him at home

1:30:14

because it was shot during the

1:30:16

pandemic. And he had been having

1:30:19

a residency at Cafe Carlyle. Which

1:30:21

is very uptown. Yes, yes. So

1:30:23

it's a mix of his personas.

1:30:25

And also you get a chance

1:30:27

to see him at home talking,

1:30:30

which is, you know, it's addictive.

1:30:32

Yeah, he's like everyone we're talking

1:30:34

about, other than not having a

1:30:36

classical music background, he is an

1:30:38

actor, he's a writer, he's a

1:30:41

musicologist, he's a band leader, he's

1:30:43

a songwriter, and in a bunch

1:30:45

of different genres. And really... And

1:30:47

just sort of a pretty naturally

1:30:49

hip. Also, super, super sexy with

1:30:51

an unforgettable Tallulah bankhead voice. David

1:30:54

Johansson spoke like this. There's the

1:30:56

Romones documentary end of the century

1:30:58

and they were rehearsing next door

1:31:00

to the Romones. And the Romones,

1:31:02

as you recall, are four guys

1:31:05

from Queens with the rip jeans,

1:31:07

the t-shirts, the same haircut. Not

1:31:09

a lot of personality. I wouldn't

1:31:11

say bubbly. Dee-D, maybe Tommy you

1:31:13

could talk to. Joey and Johnny,

1:31:16

wow. Not mind you, they're my

1:31:18

favorite band from the Romones. The

1:31:20

Romones love the New York Dolls.

1:31:22

They knew all about the New

1:31:24

York Dolls because the New York

1:31:26

Dolls were absolutely balls to the

1:31:29

wall rock and roll with embracing

1:31:31

50s and 60 sentimentality. That great

1:31:33

combination of street and sentimentality. Willie

1:31:35

DeVille, the New York Dolls, the

1:31:37

Romones. Somewhere I read that Willie

1:31:40

DeVilla and David Johansson, both very

1:31:42

tall guys and sexy. Who worshipped

1:31:44

girl groups, sang in the alley

1:31:46

behind CBGBs. Now that's. a recording

1:31:48

of like YouTube. Oh, and you

1:31:51

know it was, uh, and then

1:31:53

he kissed me, bam, bam, bam,

1:31:55

bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, he

1:31:57

took me by the hand, and

1:31:59

he thought, you know what they

1:32:01

were, going to the chapel, and

1:32:04

we're, uh-huh. riot. I find him

1:32:06

inspirational. It's a real tragedy. We

1:32:08

had to go from him before

1:32:10

he passed. A story, a cautionary

1:32:12

story about Marianne and David. David

1:32:15

coming from a poor family, making

1:32:17

it through the streets, absolutely DIY,

1:32:19

Marianne coming from a more privileged

1:32:21

family, but going through absolute hell

1:32:23

in her life and still coming

1:32:26

out. both with their absolute devotion

1:32:28

to music and art and integrity

1:32:30

and integrity and you can't buy

1:32:32

it you can't manufacture authenticity and

1:32:34

sincerity and they both have it

1:32:36

and what I'm getting at is

1:32:39

go see people that you like

1:32:41

now yes by the record by

1:32:43

their book whatever it is because

1:32:45

support them everyone ends up at

1:32:47

the same place you guys and

1:32:50

sometimes you have to ask for

1:32:52

money at the end and it's

1:32:54

not something that people like to

1:32:56

do it's an uncomfortable Musicians don't

1:32:58

have insurance. No, artists don't have

1:33:01

insurance. No, we don't. There's not

1:33:03

a big safety net for people

1:33:05

who are sincere artists. And also,

1:33:07

if show business, mainstream show business

1:33:09

doesn't embrace you and worship you

1:33:11

and venerate you, every, Bruce Springsteen

1:33:14

is, I think, his heart's in

1:33:16

the right place. He's a, he's

1:33:18

a great rock artist. He absolutely

1:33:20

worshipped Peegeger. He supports the people

1:33:22

who should support. He's a liberal

1:33:25

Democrat through and through. For every

1:33:27

Bruce Seeger, Bruce Seeger. I just

1:33:29

combined him with Bob Seeger. Bruce

1:33:31

Seeger is Bob Seeger and Bruce

1:33:33

Springsteen's illegitimate son. He's from the

1:33:36

Midwest and yet he's from New

1:33:38

Jersey. Which exit? For every Bob

1:33:40

Seeger and for every Bruce Springsteen.

1:33:42

There's loads and loads of other

1:33:44

people who didn't get to achieve

1:33:46

those lofty hides. Remember that interview

1:33:49

that when I was binging, Marianne

1:33:51

faithful interviews, where the guy asked

1:33:53

her, well, I think it's a

1:33:55

Dutch program and he says, well,

1:33:57

if they, if you're, If

1:34:00

your record company asked you to sell

1:34:02

out and do this, or maybe for

1:34:04

MTV or whatever it was, and she

1:34:06

just went, no, I wouldn't do it.

1:34:08

And that was when she was really

1:34:10

struggling. She just had no truck with

1:34:12

being someone else, and neither did David

1:34:15

Johansson. It's impossible to have that kind

1:34:17

of staunch integrity. Also, I think of

1:34:19

something David Bowie said. For our creative

1:34:21

friends out there who are trying to

1:34:23

do creative things during this time of

1:34:25

tempest and unrest I will of course

1:34:27

requote Doris Lessing do what you're going

1:34:29

to do now. It's never going to

1:34:31

get quieter and simpler for you I'm

1:34:33

misquoting it, but you get the gist

1:34:36

and secondly David Bowie said if you're

1:34:38

doing something and you feel comfortable doing

1:34:40

it maybe you ought to go a

1:34:42

little deeper it's when your feet are

1:34:44

just slightly off the ground that's where

1:34:46

you want to be artistically. is a

1:34:48

complete fucking hailstorm of garbage is a

1:34:50

time to, I can't sit home and

1:34:52

cry, which I really want to do

1:34:54

to you guys. And I have to

1:34:57

go out and be funny, and it's

1:34:59

a balm, it's a salve. Does it

1:35:01

change the world? Yes. In that every

1:35:03

single act is political, and everything that's

1:35:05

political is personal. politics start on stage.

1:35:07

And your connection with the audience is

1:35:09

everything. And if you can make people

1:35:11

laugh, you've changed their night for one

1:35:13

night, you've changed their life for one

1:35:15

night, you've changed their life for one

1:35:18

night, you've changed for an hour, whatever.

1:35:20

That's what's important. Contact between people is

1:35:22

everything. And if David and Johansson and

1:35:24

Marianne Faithful weren't rock superstars, that's not

1:35:26

the important part. There's no one who

1:35:28

worked with them or knew them or

1:35:30

saw them or was around them that

1:35:32

has anything bad to say bad to

1:35:34

say about what they were about what

1:35:36

they were about what they were about.

1:35:39

And that's what I think is beautiful,

1:35:41

and that's where we're about here, you

1:35:43

guys. David Johanton lives forever. You've been

1:35:45

the smartest crowd in the world. I've

1:35:47

been the smartest man in the world.

1:35:49

Jennifer's been the smartest. woman

1:35:51

in the world. the

1:35:53

Never give up give

1:35:55

my darlings. my love

1:35:57

this song. this song. Maybe page

1:36:00

you turn to a satchel page, maybe

1:36:02

bell that rings page you, be

1:36:04

a page. May every

1:36:06

bell that rings

1:36:08

for you be a

1:36:10

cool you have And

1:36:12

if you have to

1:36:14

buy bonds, make

1:36:16

sure sure they're very bonds. You

1:36:20

call that love in

1:36:22

French, but it's just friendship.

1:36:25

I've been to France, so

1:36:27

let's just dance. I

1:36:32

get all the

1:36:34

love I need in

1:36:36

a luncheonette. Just

1:36:38

one glance, so

1:36:40

let's just dance.