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From Hollywood California by

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way of the Broken Skull

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Ranch. This is the Steve

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Austin show. Give me a

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hell yeah! Oh yeah! Now

0:46

here's Steve Austin. Good morning.

0:48

How are you? Morning. I'm

0:50

riding fast but I'm honored

0:52

to be here. You know Steve,

0:55

it's funny and uh... in our business,

0:57

you know, I've seen you in

0:59

the locker room and seen you obviously

1:01

on TV do some great

1:03

stuff. But there was a

1:05

gentleman wanting me to do

1:07

a show called The Voice. And

1:10

so I think his name is

1:12

Michael. And he said... My name

1:14

is Shabella. Okay, so he sent me

1:16

your episode that you did on

1:19

the voice and I watched it and

1:21

I mean this at all like, I

1:23

didn't know anything about you. So

1:25

as much as we could we say hello,

1:27

we really don't know a lot about each

1:29

other No, we never left cross too

1:32

many toys. We've never crossed territories together

1:34

Never and you you know came down

1:36

the road maybe you know 10 years

1:38

before I did a bit there's that

1:41

there's that age gap We never really

1:43

crossed past as much in high regard

1:45

as I held you. Thank you. To

1:47

your point, we don't know each other.

1:49

And so it was funny because you

1:51

sent me a text out of the

1:54

blue. I watched that voice and started

1:56

hearing how you came up through the

1:58

business and how you paid... you do's

2:00

and I feel bad about this now I

2:02

just never thought of you that way and

2:05

when I saw that it's like well that's

2:07

my brother and that's why I just got

2:09

out the text and said great job and

2:11

that's how it started I just you know

2:14

sometimes we get buried in our own stuff

2:16

and we I do speak for myself who's

2:18

we got a mouse in your pocket here

2:21

but it's funny because you're and I don't

2:23

mean this in a An antique fashion, but

2:25

you're so old school. I mean, yeah, you

2:27

you paid your dues you earned your stripes

2:30

I mean you paid double dues. So from

2:32

your mentality And it's got like me, when

2:34

I look back, hey man, he made a

2:37

yes guy, he didn't even really like the

2:39

business, he just got in to make money.

2:41

You're of that pure mindset that you love

2:43

the business and you pay your dues to

2:46

work your way up and you gain the

2:48

knowledge from the bottom as you get the

2:50

crap stomped out of you along the way.

2:53

You get smart enough hard ways. Yeah, you

2:55

really offer nothing. you're not asking a question

2:57

you don't really have any business talking because

2:59

you have no experience with which to speak

3:02

up. That's correct and I'm they would let

3:04

you know immediately. Oh yeah I used to

3:06

ride down the road with Dutch Dutch man

3:09

Telka took me under his wing and we

3:11

were traveling under his wing and we were

3:13

traveling together I didn't have any money to

3:15

pay for any gas so it was me

3:18

him and Chris champion they put the gas

3:20

in my high end to Excel and Dutch

3:22

was always ragging He was giving me knowledge,

3:24

but he was also busting my chops. So

3:27

finally I'd always go, let me tell you

3:29

something Dutch and he goes, there's nothing you

3:31

can tell me. And he was running. So

3:34

I just shut up, kept taking his advice

3:36

and learning. I don't know if you can

3:38

remember this. I can remember when Trans was

3:40

one cent a mile. You used to have

3:43

to pay the driver one cent a mile,

3:45

then Trans went up to two. and smile.

3:47

Is that how y'all did it back in

3:50

a day? Yeah, like the mid-guice, the mid-card

3:52

guys, they would... uh... their wife would make

3:54

sandwiches and stuff yeah and yeah man and

3:56

you'd be on the corner if you weren't

3:59

on the corner you missed and they would

4:01

get three guys in the car and in

4:03

the beginning like they count the mileage and

4:06

at the end of the trip everybody gave

4:08

in this case a penny a mile or

4:10

two cents a mile you could buy the

4:12

sandwiches like for fifty cents that was an

4:15

old bronco lubic store yeah i love it

4:17

back in a day You know, one of

4:19

the guys made a bunch of sandwiches for

4:22

everybody, and a lot of guys just thought

4:24

he made a bunch of sandwiches to hand

4:26

out because he was a good guy. At

4:28

the end of the trip, he goes, okay,

4:31

so-and-so, yeah, it was two sandwiches for you,

4:33

then the trans, and you know, you collected

4:35

on him, because it's business, you know, when

4:38

you're scrapping, and you're trying to come up

4:40

in the business, you ain't making a damn

4:42

thing. It's kind of hard to get down

4:44

the hard to get down the road, it,

4:47

it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,

4:49

it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,

4:51

it, it, it, it was, it was, it

4:54

was, it, it was, it was, it was,

4:56

it was, it was, it was, it was,

4:58

it was, it was, it was, it was,

5:00

it was, it was, it was, it was,

5:03

it I watched a clip of you recently,

5:05

W.E. just announced W.W.E. Network, and they showed

5:07

some highlights from Legend's House, a reality program

5:10

that you had a part of. And you

5:12

and I were talking the other day, and

5:14

you were like, all your years on the

5:16

road, you like to stay by yourself. Now

5:19

coming up, you certainly healed a few rooms

5:21

and impact guys in a room like Sardines

5:23

to save money because you had to, but

5:26

by large, you're a loner, you like to

5:28

do your own thing. Yes. And all of

5:30

a sudden, you were forced into a room.

5:32

With Dougin. You know, Iced first for that

5:35

night, I wouldn't go in the room. So

5:37

are we sleeping? On the floor in what

5:39

they would call the living room. Was Harpo

5:42

Mark's mansion in Palm Beach? Oh, that's cool.

5:44

West Palm Beach? Yeah, kind of. You know,

5:46

it was done upright. They didn't hold no

5:48

expense back, but I, uh, I just always

5:51

had a hard time falling to sleep like

5:53

that. But eventually, you know, Hacksaw. I didn't

5:55

know Hacksaw that well at that time either.

5:57

Yeah, I don't know it at all. I

6:00

said, okay, so things like this, I go,

6:02

you know, he's getting up and I'm trying

6:04

to take care of my roommate, right? And

6:07

I says, Hacksaw, did you order your

6:09

food? He goes, no, I asked

6:11

it nicely. What does that mean?

6:13

What does that mean? Somebody's talking

6:15

about salt in their food and,

6:17

no, Sodom and Gamour, and they

6:19

turn to a pillar of salt

6:21

and Hacksaw looks and goes. Salt's

6:23

mad for you, you know, you

6:25

know, I don't stop right? He's

6:27

just he was a wonderful guy.

6:29

What did you guys jail his

6:32

roommates? Well, I guess we're going

6:34

to see. Yeah, I guess you

6:36

all let's cat on him out

6:38

of the back. No, but I

6:40

was definitely the dark horse in

6:42

that in the whole episodes of

6:44

it. I have a hard time

6:46

being harnessed, you know, if

6:49

I feel like someone's bullying

6:51

me or harnessing me I have

6:53

a hard time. But you sound to

6:55

me like you just need your space.

6:58

I mean like I love people Yeah,

7:00

most people that are close to me

7:02

know that I'm a hermit when I

7:04

go to South Texas It's just me

7:07

and my wife or if I'm just

7:09

down there by myself I love seeing

7:11

human beings But by the same token

7:14

if I go down to my place

7:16

and I don't see one for

7:18

one or two months. I'm totally

7:20

fine Come on, man. I know, I

7:22

know, straight up, I'm not, you know, like,

7:24

all the stories and stuff that,

7:27

uh, flare tells or whatever,

7:29

those were done in very wild days

7:31

with a lot of consumption. Right. But

7:33

as a human being from the beginning,

7:35

I left a woman, I was 13,

7:37

and I, uh... Hey man, you guys

7:39

just spent it from junior high, right?

7:41

Or kicked out of junior high. Yeah,

7:43

yeah. And so, but and so you

7:45

had a beef with your father? Oh,

7:47

you pulled an knife on somebody. I

7:49

was wondering what happened. I love vice

7:51

principal. I'll tell you the story. Yeah,

7:53

please do. I mean, not a good thing

7:55

to do if you're junior high. These days

7:57

you can't even carry a pocket nap to

7:59

school. True. No, but but tell me

8:02

about the story because we're talking

8:04

about paying dues and I know

8:06

and here's the thing that it

8:08

was funny when you sent me

8:10

that text message because I held

8:12

you in such high regard, but

8:14

in doing my research about you,

8:17

there are so many things about

8:19

yourself that I did not know.

8:21

And man, if you got on

8:23

the road at 13 years of

8:25

age, and I know when you

8:27

had your first pro match and

8:30

we'll get to that, but you

8:32

paid not just dues in the

8:34

business of pro wrestling, but life

8:36

dues. yourself by yourself. Um, yeah,

8:38

I, uh, so what happened with

8:40

a knife? Well, I'm trying to

8:42

tell you this, and I just,

8:45

I can just tell you the

8:47

truth is all. It was in

8:49

Toronto, and I was trying to

8:51

go to school, and it's a

8:53

junior high school, and still in

8:55

Canada, I don't know why. Um,

8:58

um, so like, it's gym class,

9:00

and they've got a big swimming

9:02

pool, and they insist. And they

9:04

insist. You swim naked. They insist.

9:06

The YMCA's at that back of

9:08

leg insisted. And like, I was

9:10

having a hard time with it.

9:13

And uh, coach, like I started

9:15

the amateur wrestling a little bit,

9:17

you know, whatever. And the coach

9:19

was really getting on my case

9:21

and I said a few words

9:23

and all of a sudden the

9:25

vice principal and that they were

9:28

cornering me in the locker room.

9:30

I didn't understand and I had

9:32

the I Had a knife and

9:34

I just I got confused. I

9:36

just was really scared right there

9:38

all of a sudden I had

9:41

it and then you know things

9:43

got real ugly then and I

9:45

got kicked out of that school

9:47

there. I wasn't, like, you hear

9:49

all these, I've never tried to

9:51

hurt anybody. I really haven't, I

9:53

don't, I'm a bagpipe player. Well,

9:56

right, but you got two guys,

9:58

got you in a quarter. self-defense

10:00

and I didn't understand what's the

10:02

point right with why I get

10:04

it and well you know living

10:06

on the stand living on the

10:09

street just just like that's a

10:11

hard piece of business there so

10:13

yeah I didn't do well in

10:15

school I I've got about a

10:17

grade aid education now I scanned

10:19

my way don't get me wrong

10:21

now I didn't do well in

10:24

school I've got about a grade

10:26

aid education now I scanned my

10:28

way There was a high school

10:30

I went to and I broke

10:32

into it at night, stole the

10:34

test. This is a tree story.

10:36

What was the name of it?

10:39

Windsor Park. And so, yeah, I

10:41

gotta pass this thing. So I

10:43

broke a window at night time

10:45

and I ran through the school

10:47

at night time, went to where

10:49

I knew the tests were, grabbed

10:52

the test and ran out and

10:54

hid in a snowbank. And sure

10:56

as heck, here come the fleece

10:58

because there's silent alarms. But I'm

11:00

in a snowbank. I was born

11:02

in Saskatoon, I'm a snow boy.

11:04

So I take the test home,

11:07

and like I fill out the

11:09

test, and I'm so proud of

11:11

myself. I come in the next

11:13

day for the test, and it's

11:15

all handed out, everybody's taking it.

11:17

And I have the test like...

11:20

under my, uh, under my shirt

11:22

and my tummy, you know? And,

11:24

you know, I'm really cocky, but

11:26

A-D-D kicks in and bored him

11:28

and so, I switch him and

11:30

I was done first, unusual. However,

11:32

I was so proud and I

11:35

put the test there and waved

11:37

goodbye to my... Uh, fellow, fellow

11:39

students and I came back the

11:41

next day and they handed out

11:43

the tests and it says, the

11:45

teacher said, sorry rod, wrong test.

11:47

I stole the wrong test. Really,

11:50

baby, she just, give me a

11:52

phrase. Sorry, Rod, wrong test. Truth.

11:54

Classic. And, uh, I could have

11:56

done a year in the pen

11:58

for that. high school? They pretend

12:00

I did. I tried to go

12:03

to school when I was wrestling

12:05

pro and you know like I

12:07

went back and I got the key

12:09

to the city in Winnipeg is

12:11

where I had my first pro

12:13

match but and I went to

12:15

visit the school and they pulled

12:17

these cards out like you got 50%

12:19

but you know this is if I may

12:22

I don't want to bore you.

12:24

No I would. I'll tell you something

12:26

that I never really talked about. I

12:28

was born in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, which

12:31

is one of the coldest places

12:33

on earth. A hundred below with

12:35

the wind chill. When I was

12:38

four years old, I got my arm

12:40

caught in a washing machine ringer

12:42

and I couldn't get out. You

12:44

used to put clothes in the

12:46

washing machine and would like squeeze

12:48

them to get it out. And

12:51

the washing machine was plugged in.

12:53

They had undue the light. The

12:55

people that were raising me. and the

12:57

ceiling and the plug was in there.

12:59

I guess from flailing, you know, I

13:01

hit the plug and hit the emergency

13:04

thing. Yeah. Two rollers on top of

13:06

each other. Yeah, I know exactly what

13:08

you're talking about. So my arm right

13:10

up to here. And I lived, I

13:12

was born on 1802 Victoria Avenue and

13:15

my aunt was 1602 Victoria. So I

13:17

ran down the alley. and I would

13:19

I rocked a lot as a kid

13:21

I never said anything and I was

13:23

just sitting on the chair and you

13:26

know it's Canada the liquor store

13:28

is closed at certain times or

13:30

uncle George you know I'm busy

13:32

okay and then blood started to

13:34

come down and they put me

13:37

in a hospital and when I

13:39

got out they took me right

13:41

away from Saskatoon and put me

13:43

on an Indian reservation called the

13:46

paw T-T-H-E-P-A-S and it's still to

13:48

this day The toughest Indian reservation

13:50

in Canada. It's the home

13:53

of the World's Trappers Festival. They

13:55

used to do a program, wide

13:57

world of sports, once a year.

13:59

where they're real trappers they're not

14:02

you know you don't pet the

14:04

dogs the dogs are chained down

14:06

and like they had contests of

14:08

the cutting the logs and who

14:10

could carry the most pounds of

14:12

flour which is local Indian guy

14:14

carry like 500 pounds or something

14:16

right and he just get this

14:19

you know I'm gonna tell you

14:21

I've always wanted to and I'm

14:23

gonna tell you now hold a

14:25

calm and I'll quit if you

14:27

still talking to me So I

14:29

was the only white kid in

14:31

this Indian reservation. I was so

14:33

scared. I can't tell you how

14:36

scared I was. And my first

14:38

grade, I begged not to go.

14:40

And to the point where, and

14:42

I'm not exaggerating anything, I held

14:44

on to the man's ankle and

14:46

the man who literally moved his

14:48

foot like a walking dead all

14:50

the way and cried. Everybody in

14:53

the hallway watching me and the

14:55

teacher's name was Miss Hill. She's

14:57

like, I take care of the

14:59

little boy. And they left me

15:01

and she took out, in Canada

15:03

it was legal, and had a

15:05

handle in this triple leather. And

15:07

you know, she got me to

15:10

stop crying there. Bring, bring! You

15:12

betcha, shutting up. And when they

15:14

taught me, they taught, they had

15:16

a new way of teaching. Do

15:18

you have a pen? Anything and

15:20

so maybe we could get one

15:22

and as I was going on.

15:24

This is Steve Austin show pen

15:27

for me. I got a pocket

15:29

knife. We'll carve it in here.

15:31

They, so in my very first

15:33

year in school, the country decided

15:35

that they're going to change the

15:37

way to teach children. So with

15:39

Reading you see I've never read

15:41

a book cover to cover not

15:44

even the one I've heard you

15:46

say that in interviews Straight up

15:48

shoot. You've never read a book.

15:50

No, sir cover to cover I

15:52

can't a script. I have to

15:54

have someone read it with me.

15:56

I don't get it and here's

15:58

where it came from was Instead

16:01

of teaching you phonics they taught

16:03

memorization and so why would they

16:05

do that? Because the government thought

16:07

it was a better way to

16:09

teach kids and instituted it through

16:11

the country. Then they had a

16:13

thing called new math and I'm

16:15

writing it down for Steve now

16:18

and it's division. We'll put ten

16:20

into a thousand. What you did

16:22

is well you look at the

16:24

ten and on the side there's

16:26

a long line and you go

16:28

well I know ten goes into

16:30

a thousand one time. you subtracted

16:32

that would leave nine hundred and

16:34

ninety well it was going two

16:37

times that's twenty you subtracted that's

16:39

nine seventy and you kept that

16:41

up and then you added these

16:43

numbers and put it up there

16:45

then it's a long has a

16:47

rhythmic to hold now while i

16:49

was in this indian reservation i

16:51

mean they hated me and i

16:54

wore muckle up why just because

16:56

you's a white kid yeah I

16:58

mean it wasn't a personality trait

17:00

it was just you was yes

17:02

I was really scared and you

17:04

know an easy target and in

17:06

recess you know I was kind

17:08

of like the the foil but

17:11

here's what happened I couldn't go

17:13

home the way the other kids

17:15

went and like in January February

17:17

March this place is you can

17:19

only get around by Caterpillar I

17:21

beg you people to look it

17:23

up the pau manatoba, T-H-E-T-P-S. And

17:25

I used to have to go

17:28

by the tree line and they

17:30

had these things called timber wolves.

17:32

I don't know if you've seen

17:34

the timber wolf. The big ass

17:36

wolf? Whole baby Jesus. No kidding.

17:38

You know, they are a pack

17:40

by themselves and they would snatch

17:42

a kid. So they taught me,

17:45

I would have to go by

17:47

like the tree line so I

17:49

wouldn't get beat up and I

17:51

sang a song, I'm embarrassed. Hang

17:53

on, if you're gonna tell it,

17:55

Rod, tell the damn thing. What's

17:57

the song we're singing? John Jacob

17:59

Jingle, I'm a Schmidt. John Jacob

18:02

J. Goh hi, Marshman. The reason

18:04

I'm saying it was if you

18:06

if you accidentally came in contact

18:08

with one of these wolves, they

18:10

turn on you. If one of

18:12

these wolves heard a human voice,

18:14

more than likely they get away

18:16

from it because they get shot

18:19

or whatever. Right. But if you

18:21

were, if you were quiet and

18:23

they turned and they saw a

18:25

little piece of game there, they

18:27

got your ass. So I'm

18:30

going to tell you this now.

18:32

Holy cow. Oh, so the highway

18:34

was right. We had a little

18:36

red shack. Okay. Okay. We had

18:39

a little red shack, literally, by

18:41

the railway tracks. And it was

18:43

a company shack. And it had

18:45

a kitchen, two bedrooms, a lot

18:47

of rats down in it. And

18:50

it was right next to the

18:52

railway tracks. And across the street.

18:54

was the only person who would

18:56

speak to me, her name was

18:58

Arlene Philly, and her dad owned

19:01

the general store. I'm across the

19:03

street and one of my sisters

19:05

goes to go to school and

19:07

I ran across to Hugger and

19:09

I got hit by a truck.

19:11

Maybe go, I don't know, 25,

19:14

30 miles an hour. I can

19:16

remember when it hit me, I

19:18

went up and I landed on

19:20

the pavement, but the force had

19:22

me rolling to the ditch, but

19:25

I can remember my eyes backwards

19:27

and seeing the tire. And the

19:29

guy in the truck was an

19:31

Indian gentleman, been drinking, but back

19:33

in those days, like, no, he's

19:36

getting up, yeah, okay, goodbye, goodbye.

19:38

And they never took me to

19:40

hospital. So... Any damage? Don't know.

19:42

Yeah. So then, during the winter,

19:44

and I'll get out of this

19:47

in a second, but you need

19:49

to know, during the winter time,

19:51

I have really bad tummy problems,

19:53

and... The only way you can

19:55

get to the hospital, the Catholic

19:58

hospital, is by greater... Caterpillar. Thank

20:00

you, sir. And to get the

20:02

caterpillar and bring a kid in,

20:04

all right, so they get me

20:06

in and I got a appendicitis,

20:09

they take up my appendix, nothing's

20:11

wrong with them. I had tonsillitis,

20:13

so they took out the tonsils,

20:15

and then they'd give me a shot

20:17

when I cried. I was by myself there.

20:20

And so, okay, move on, and in

20:22

the springtime, there's so much snow,

20:24

and it's logging. industry.

20:27

There's logs in big puddles

20:29

of snow. And for some

20:31

reason Rod liked to roll

20:33

on the logs, you know,

20:35

and boom, in the water, Rod

20:37

would go. And I got

20:40

scared to go home because

20:42

I wasn't supposed to do that.

20:44

And so I'm with my friend

20:46

and her and I rolling

20:48

on the logs and we both

20:51

went down, okay? Oh, and I'm

20:53

too scared to go home. And

20:55

right across the street is her

20:57

father's store and next to a

20:59

kind of like a garage with

21:01

a pot-bellied stove in it. Arlene

21:04

and I went across the street

21:06

and we took all our clothes

21:08

off, I'm six years old, all

21:10

our clothes off to get them

21:12

to drive. But you know, we're

21:14

naked in the garage. And Arlene's

21:17

mummy was a very

21:19

religious woman. And like I

21:21

can only pick up certain points

21:23

for you here, but I remember

21:25

her coming in and she screamed

21:27

rape. And she called the police.

21:29

And in those days, there was

21:31

only one policeman for like, he

21:34

was an RCMP for like 300

21:36

miles in every direction. Right. And

21:38

so she called that policeman and

21:41

he came and that policeman was

21:43

my dad. Wow. That's how I started

21:45

my first year. And then boom,

21:48

they moved me out of

21:50

there to another place. And

21:52

by the time I got

21:55

like grade three or four,

21:57

I so lost, I, you know, I...

22:00

I couldn't catch on, so I

22:02

just cheated a lot. I got

22:04

really good at it. But I

22:06

never absorbed the knowledge. I can't

22:08

read a book. That's what it

22:11

is, man. Well, yeah, but obviously

22:13

you're a smart cat. Everybody knows

22:15

that. I mean, I sit there

22:17

and watch some of your promos

22:20

just the way you could convey

22:22

a message to an audience. I

22:24

mean, it was true emotion and

22:26

content as well. Sometimes I think

22:29

people get too lost in content.

22:31

It's with which, you know, bare

22:33

bones information that comes from the

22:36

heart and soul. That's what you

22:38

evoked and sometimes you spewed that

22:40

in a very rabid fashion. The

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The game starts here. conversation with

23:49

Radi Radi Radi Piper, the one

23:51

and only hot ride. Radi, when

23:53

did you become interested in the

23:55

game of professional wrestling? Were you

23:57

watching it on TV? Did y'all

24:00

have a TV? No sir. So

24:02

how did you discover it? I

24:04

came fifth in the world playing

24:06

the bagpipes when I was 14

24:08

years old and which I was

24:11

a really bad experience in my

24:13

life. And I got picked out

24:15

of 200 pipers in the world

24:17

to do the Rose Bowl Parade.

24:20

I don't know, it's 10, 10,

24:22

11. And so I decided to

24:24

give a go on my own.

24:26

And the way, they have youth

24:28

hostels in Canada. And that day,

24:31

they cost a quarter. So you

24:33

go to the youth hostel and

24:35

it opened like at 6 and

24:37

lights out at 9. And when

24:40

you come, I swear to you.

24:42

There was a sign. It says.

24:44

check your weapons and drugs at

24:46

the door right and they would

24:48

take them and they would give

24:51

them back to you and in

24:53

this thing it was three tiered

24:55

bunk beds so when you got

24:57

there for a quarter yeah they

24:59

would give you a sandwich a

25:02

cookie and a little carton milk

25:04

boom you had to there's some

25:06

food ball you had to be

25:08

used to sleep at nine six

25:11

o'clock in the morning rock and

25:13

roll they give you two eggs

25:15

bacon piece of toast milk a

25:17

towel shower get out and you

25:19

can't come back the next day

25:22

right But you could come back

25:24

the day after. Right. So I

25:26

would, um, who at night time

25:28

I would play my bagpipes with

25:30

the case open. Now, this youth

25:33

hostels were in a YMCA. So

25:35

I'm in this YMCA, you know,

25:37

and I don't rob anybody till

25:39

night time. What am I going

25:42

to do during the day? And

25:44

there's a gym, and there was

25:46

this guy. He was an amateur

25:48

wrestling boxer. And he took a

25:50

legin to me. He was a

25:53

minister. He was a minister. and

25:55

he got me amateur wrestling and

25:57

boxing and I won the 167

25:59

amateur wrestling championship. And when Vern

26:01

Ghanier would come to

26:04

Winnipeg, my amateur wrestling

26:06

coach, boxing coach, would

26:08

be the referee just for

26:10

that night, a local, right?

26:12

So I don't know who,

26:15

I think it may have

26:17

been Buddy Wolf, but somebody

26:19

missed a play and didn't

26:21

show, and my coach comes

26:23

to me and he says,

26:25

I can get you 25

26:28

bucks. Wow, baby. So I

26:30

said, but he said you're

26:32

going to lose your amateur

26:34

status. Oh, you know, wow.

26:36

Yeah, but 25 bucks. 25

26:38

bucks, baby. Time to turn

26:40

pro. So I, now this

26:42

is a 14, right? 15, okay.

26:45

So I've never seen a

26:47

pro match. And Jesus Christ.

26:49

I went to my pipe

26:51

band and said, like, they

26:54

said, all enthusiastic,

26:56

we'll play in. Okay. So I

26:59

got to the winner, Fagarina,

27:01

and my opponent was Mr.

27:03

Perfect's dad. Larry the

27:05

Axe Henning. I heard this. Now,

27:08

I'm a stop. Larry the Axe

27:10

Henning to anybody that listens to

27:12

the show has never heard

27:14

of Larry the Axe Henning. This

27:17

was a big, burly, 300-pound crowbar

27:19

of a man. Whoa. Just tough. Hold

27:21

me there, and let me tell you a

27:24

henning story quick. You know that I poke

27:26

that I've done so long? I was going

27:28

to bring that up. You got the greatest

27:30

double out poker. I mean if three stooges

27:32

is maybe, but you're the best ever. I

27:34

love you. This is how. where I got

27:36

that from. There was a guy, two of

27:39

the boys, one's name was Horst Hoffman, and

27:41

the other guy's name was Billy Robinson.

27:43

And they... Any Billy Robinson? Yep. Okay.

27:45

Yeah, and they all talked about Wiggins,

27:47

which was a place over in England.

27:50

It's just supposed to be great hookers

27:52

come from there and great. Great hookers

27:54

being talked about real wrestlers. Yes, real

27:56

wrestlers. They can't hurt you. Not hookers

27:59

that you... pay money to for

28:01

services rendered. No that came months

28:03

later. Yeah. And I didn't I

28:05

didn't charge much either. Yeah, we're

28:07

at the folks at a hookies.

28:09

So Larry Hennie is a family

28:11

man and horse Hoffman and Billy

28:13

Robinson and Jeff Borts. They're talking

28:15

about. some girls they had the

28:17

night before that were very very

28:19

underage very inappropriate and they're you

28:21

know they're these big shooters and

28:23

Larry Henning says you know you

28:26

can stop that kind of talk

28:28

now in the dressing room I

28:30

have a family and you know

28:32

these guys are these guys are

28:34

tough guys and horse Hoffman comes

28:36

up to Larry Henning and Larry

28:38

Henning stands up like he's gonna

28:40

do something I swear to you.

28:42

Larry Henning took his two fingers

28:44

went pow in his eyes. End

28:46

of the day. Are you kidding?

28:48

No sure. A double eye poke

28:50

shoot? Pop! Right and that horse

28:52

did. What horse do? Nothing. Nothing.

28:54

His eyes were so close. This

28:56

is Larry and he's driving him

28:59

in. And his eyes is claw

29:01

equivalency. Larry just sat down. What

29:03

did Billy do? Not a... damn

29:05

thing. Billy Robinson's a coward. He

29:07

only beat you up if he

29:09

know you can. Really? Yes sir.

29:11

Not that he's not good at

29:13

what he does. Right, right, right.

29:15

I'm not saying that but uh...

29:17

like there was a guy named

29:19

George Gordianco that trained me Billy

29:21

Robinson didn't want nothing to write

29:23

nor did coral gosh they protected

29:25

each other but but going back

29:27

to a layer of the accent

29:29

big dude tough dude family guy

29:32

family you're gonna have your first

29:34

match with Larry the action I

29:36

can't say you couldn't be in

29:38

a more intimidating and intimidated position

29:40

all because of who this guy

29:42

was so what happened how did

29:44

you guys have a short conversation

29:46

before the match and of and

29:48

ring ping bing boom let's go

29:50

home holy god this what happened

29:52

oh okay now the four bagpipers

29:54

are dressed to the hill right

29:56

there's a base drummer with the

29:58

big fluffy hat he's got a

30:00

pine discodge and a boom and

30:02

two snare drummers and me 167

30:05

pounds wearing the kilt from the

30:07

band. Okay and this is

30:09

all I know that Larry

30:11

Henney said through the promoter

30:13

El Tomco this is what

30:15

I got just be like

30:18

a greyhound bus and lead

30:20

the driving to us. What

30:23

does that mean? Excuse me

30:25

clarity here. So my pipe

30:27

band started. And as they

30:30

were playing me out, my first

30:32

name is Roderick. Short for Roderick

30:34

is Roddy. That's what the

30:36

announcer knew. And he had to

30:39

say something. And he said, ladies

30:41

and gentlemen, here comes

30:43

Roddy the Piper. And Larry's face

30:45

was red. There was smoke coming

30:48

his eyes. Like because... There was

30:50

no music, it was sawdust. Also

30:52

basically he thought you was insulting

30:55

him. I was trying to, yes

30:57

sir. It was up stage in

30:59

the man. Exactly. On your first

31:01

and ever, you know it. You're

31:04

greener and grass. How dare you?

31:06

My first match. Right, who are

31:08

you? The showmanship. What's this? The

31:10

production. And the boom and Larry's

31:12

in the ring. Oh my. Oh,

31:14

bad move rod. And all I

31:16

really remember is kind of like.

31:18

Ding, ding, ding, ding. It was

31:20

a short bus ride. Sure. It

31:22

was a short bus ride, sir.

31:24

Captain Shortest match in the

31:26

history of the Winnipeg arena

31:28

lasted 10 seconds, including the

31:31

three count. Right. And he

31:33

broke my nose and split

31:35

my eye open. And I got

31:37

back to the dress when I

31:39

had my head down, you know.

31:41

It wasn't very... I used to

31:43

think I was tough. Not anymore.

31:45

And those mad dog was in

31:47

the lock room. Oh yeah. And

31:50

I just put my head down

31:52

and they used to have these

31:54

shoes called penny loafers. Yeah,

31:56

yeah. You know, like I don't,

31:58

they put pennies. I could see

32:00

the promoter I could just see

32:03

the penny loafers because my site

32:05

was rather Yeah, and I thought

32:07

he was going to do me

32:09

out of my 25 bucks and

32:11

he said kid You did great.

32:13

How'd you like to go to

32:15

Kansas City? Come on and they

32:17

had no sir. They had ha

32:20

ha And they put me in

32:22

a van that night and they

32:24

when it come to the border

32:26

United States they put the the

32:28

mats from the van over me

32:30

and I just sleep just asked

32:32

my kids sleeping right and I

32:34

never stopped and for the first

32:36

four years they beat me up

32:39

every night but the first four

32:41

years I didn't have a number

32:43

I done so I was expendable

32:45

so I was a very handy

32:47

tool to have. Right. Well then

32:49

all of a sudden you going

32:51

to your first match. You know,

32:53

you lose your amateur status. You're

32:56

a pro. Kid, you did good.

32:58

We're going to Kansas City. So

33:00

how long does this decision making

33:02

process last? Because all you got

33:04

is you. So you just pack

33:06

up and go? What? Yeah, because

33:08

I didn't have anything like at

33:10

the youth hospital. There's no closet.

33:13

Right. You know, I think it's

33:15

more out of fear. Right. I

33:17

was scared to say no. Hey,

33:19

well talk to me about on-the-job

33:21

training then because then technically no

33:23

one ever really taught you pro

33:25

wrestling. You learned in the ring.

33:27

Yes, I learned how did the

33:30

progression go and what kind of

33:32

catch were you working with? Obviously

33:34

you were most likely working baby

33:36

face. Working with big ass, you

33:38

know, hills, it could lead you

33:40

through a match if that's what

33:42

it is or beat you. Yeah,

33:44

but you learn the basics. the

33:47

very basics of psychology by taking

33:49

an ass woman from a vicious

33:51

hill. Yeah, right? Yeah. How long

33:53

before they let you get some

33:55

offense in? Oh four years. Really?

33:57

Yeah, like my second match was

33:59

against Superstar. Graham on first television.

34:01

I have a superstar take care

34:04

of you. You know what? I

34:06

tell you. He might have bested

34:08

Larry. He might have got it

34:10

done in nine seconds. But when

34:12

I came down, it was, it

34:15

was all, you went down on

34:17

these steps in this kind of

34:19

grimy little place and Superstar was

34:21

coming from behind me. He looks at

34:24

me and he goes, you know, we were

34:26

a little short on time or what to

34:28

give you more. I looked at him like

34:30

BS and he cracked up laughing. Right. And

34:33

he loved me from that. Really? Yeah. I

34:35

like really. So yeah, well, you'd been around

34:37

by then. Who was the first guy to

34:40

really kind of take you under his wing?

34:42

Shine you off and make you look like

34:44

somebody. You know, seriously, for four

34:46

years every day at eight o'clock in

34:49

the night. They took pleasure in stretching

34:51

me. Well, yeah. You know, for like

34:53

four years. And then, but you know,

34:55

and again, you and me from a

34:57

generation removed from each other, but that's

34:59

just the way I hear it was

35:02

that you're here to say that's the

35:04

way it was. Yes, sir. I'll get

35:06

into how I got a genius. as

35:08

a mender but just before that they'll

35:10

do things like this we were driving from

35:13

Winnipeg you had to drive all night to

35:15

do Minneapolis TV yeah the guy's name is

35:17

Dave near and Bobby Jones with the old-time

35:19

is I was in the back seat and

35:21

they wouldn't put the heat on they said

35:24

they were too hot and I had a

35:26

baloney sandwich and a bottle of seven up

35:28

for to eat and finally the bottle of

35:30

seven up exploded a frozen exploded Jesus. Also

35:32

there was a time when like license plates

35:35

were odd and even you could only get

35:37

gas on those. And so they had a

35:39

six foot credit card for me. And

35:41

they stopped by like, because every

35:43

farm had this pink gas that was

35:45

cheaper and I'd have to siphon the

35:48

gas and bring it to the cars.

35:50

And every damn farm seemed to have

35:52

a German Shepherd and I didn't speak

35:54

no German. But I'd rather get bit

35:56

by the dog than what's going to

35:59

happen to me. And then like in

36:01

Dallas, just to kind of give you

36:03

an idea, my job in Dallas, I

36:05

stayed, I'm the only guy I think

36:08

to get kicked out of the Alamo

36:10

Plaza Hotel in Dallas, they don't clean

36:12

the rug, they just put another layer

36:15

on and... What's you getting kicked out

36:17

for? My dog ate the owner's poodle.

36:19

My dog's name was Kay Fabin, he

36:22

was a pitball. I never fought. Hey,

36:24

favorite. Hey, this food, oh, damn. Yeah,

36:26

pay. So, and he used to, I

36:29

had a Vega hatchback. I used to

36:31

sleep in, I kept the cooler open,

36:33

so he could get water and stuff.

36:36

One year was a Vega, 72, 73.

36:38

Yeah, yeah, and there's some place. Can't

36:40

remember, but in Dallas, my job was

36:43

Fritz came to me. My job was

36:45

to get wrestled, change. and get the

36:47

fire marshal's daughter and take her out

36:50

and make sure that she enjoyed wrestling.

36:52

That way Fritz could get more people

36:54

than the fire cold allowed. Right. But

36:56

those kind of jobs never ended. Right.

36:59

So without getting into that and kind

37:01

of moving on. So I maybe worked

37:03

12 territories and I got sent to

37:06

LA. But while you were there before

37:08

you got to LA, I mean, you

37:10

have fire. As a baby face, you

37:13

have fire. Some baby face saying got

37:15

fire. As a hill, you had a

37:17

mean streak. I mean, and I believe

37:20

you have to have two key things

37:22

that I think a person needs to

37:24

succeed in the business of pro wrestling

37:27

as a baby face. means wreak is

37:29

a heel. You just got to. You

37:31

had to have fought for some of

37:34

the stuff you were getting there to

37:36

start that fire. I mean you're a

37:38

fire individual anyway. You have a seemingly

37:41

a chip on the shoulder always trying

37:43

to kick and scratch your way for

37:45

everything because nothing was handed to you.

37:47

But you were having to fight for

37:50

what you were getting in that ring

37:52

because I know you had to shine

37:54

some. And you had to fight for

37:57

that against veterans. after a while that

37:59

I just fight as hard as I

38:01

could because you know, at least try.

38:04

Yeah. And I'll tell you, I'll tell

38:06

you, oh, this is a family for

38:08

anyone. Yeah, there's a lot of stories

38:11

that happened to me, but when I

38:13

finally got to the Olympic Auditorium,

38:15

there was this guy named Leo

38:18

Garibaldi. Now for anybody

38:20

that's interested who wants to become

38:22

a pro wrestler, I used to

38:24

go to UCL CLA Mel Nick

38:26

Hall. and you can watch

38:28

Gorgeous George Warren Bachwinkle,

38:30

Leo Garibaldi when he

38:32

was 16, his dad,

38:34

the whole thing, reel-to-reel,

38:37

frame-by-frame, I used to

38:39

study them. And so now,

38:41

Garibaldi is the booker. So, what

38:43

they did in those days

38:45

was I would spend six

38:47

weeks in Texas and Amarillo

38:49

for funk doing, you know.

38:51

doing jobs, six weeks in Dallas doing jobs,

38:54

six weeks in KC doing jobs. So the

38:56

faces were new and then they just shipped

38:58

me off to LA to do that. Hey

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39:27

coin were you making doing that

39:29

little rotation there? I was getting

39:31

like 10, 15 bucks a match.

39:33

They had one promoter put a

39:35

world of quarters in your hand

39:37

and they finally had to smarten

39:39

me up like then you put

39:41

another dollar and when you smiled

39:44

he stopped. You know, and so

39:46

like, and I can, yeah, there's

39:48

so much. So we're back in

39:50

L.A. now. Okay, thank you, I

39:52

love you. That's what Vince

39:54

says. You know, you

39:56

put blinders on Piper,

39:58

he's fine. So,

40:00

um, one tackle drop down,

40:03

get it again. Yeah, brother,

40:05

keep it simple. I have

40:07

big problems with that. Uh, but

40:09

I'm trying. So, they'll get

40:11

up all these seasons. I

40:13

don't know. I'm maybe going a

40:16

buck 75 now. Bucky? You gained

40:18

a little weight. You know, and

40:20

bagpipes, baby phase. Yep. So. The

40:23

Olympic Auditorium in LA is

40:25

predominantly his spannics. All that

40:27

carry knives for carrying I'm

40:29

sure. So I come in

40:31

and he looks at me

40:33

like and he just pauses

40:35

and what's going through his head

40:37

is I got a skinny white

40:39

kid playing the bagpipe says a baby

40:41

face. What am I going to do

40:44

with this guy? Right. He comes

40:46

to me. This man was brilliant.

40:48

Right. He says I'm going to give

40:50

you a big break. I'm in.

40:52

I'm in. Let me think about it.

40:54

Yeah, I'm in. Yeah, he said the

40:56

guy's name was Java Rook whose

40:59

real name was Johnny Rhodes, but

41:01

when he was on the West

41:03

Coast He put the days in

41:05

curtains around his head as a

41:07

took and rest of his Java

41:09

Rook. He says I want you to

41:12

go in there and don't lay a

41:14

glove on him. Just let him

41:16

beat you up and he walked away

41:18

and I thought to myself. Here

41:20

we go. Well, what was

41:23

I couldn't beat the guy up anyway,

41:25

so I got in the ring go

41:27

with the program go with the program

41:29

and he just beat the dog out

41:32

of me and TV was on Wednesdays

41:34

and the house show was on Fridays

41:36

the next Wednesday TV There was this

41:38

big campaign for cigarettes. I got

41:41

a man. I'm not sure if his

41:43

camel or whatever it was and there

41:45

was a cowboy with a black eye

41:48

and it said I'd rather fight than

41:50

switch Leo Garibaldi the next Wednesday had

41:52

a t-shirt for me that said I'd

41:55

rather switch than fight and he made

41:57

me Java Roox manager. Really? And from

41:59

there? They put a mic in

42:01

my hand. I don't know why

42:03

Steve, I don't like parties. I'm sad,

42:06

we've gone through that. I just don't

42:08

have a problem with the camera. I

42:10

don't know why. I never wanted to

42:13

be one. Some things I don't know.

42:15

But I saw an opening. Then a

42:17

guy named Judo Jean Lebell. No Jean.

42:20

I was followed. I'd be maybe 1718

42:22

18-ish now. And he saw how bad

42:24

I was getting beat up and he

42:27

said, come here. And he took me

42:29

under his wing for a long. I

42:31

still. If any of you people don't

42:34

know who Gene LaBelle is, I mean,

42:36

he's one of the most celebrated stunt

42:38

guy, tough guy, judo guy, bad. Sweetest

42:41

guy in the world. Beautiful guy. God,

42:43

he's such a sweetheart. I met him

42:45

at the Honda dealership buying a little

42:48

scooter. He's just the greatest. So he

42:50

says, kid. We got to toughen you

42:52

up a little bit. Absolutely. What do

42:55

you do? He took me. So Friday

42:57

nights, before the matches, all the guys

42:59

have thought they were tough and wanted

43:02

to try to be a wrestler, they

43:04

came early. Well, he put me

43:06

in the ring with them and

43:08

just instructional as we went along. So

43:10

this guy's beating the trash out of

43:13

me and it's kind of like, Gene's

43:15

going, you might want to block. You

43:17

know, and... I started and then he

43:20

started taking me down to the dojo

43:22

and like he trained Bruce Lee Chuck

43:24

Norris and she's only given away like

43:27

21 belt belts. He's 80 years old

43:29

still I love him I wrote preface

43:31

for his book but he showed me

43:34

how to take care of myself and

43:36

at that same time I was doing

43:38

things like playing the kukaracha on the

43:41

bagpipes and that was how I got

43:43

my first break. And before you, I

43:45

know you're going to get another

43:47

question, but with Leo Garibati, I

43:49

want to show you how, what a

43:52

genius he was. So we're driving to

43:54

Bakersfield, just Leo and myself. And you

43:57

know, again, like you explained. I would

43:59

listen to these guys for hours till

44:01

I was going to puke, throw up.

44:04

And I just like, but the thing

44:06

was, I wasn't getting it. You're going

44:08

to tell me that story again.

44:10

And yes, and I'm going to

44:12

keep telling it till I see

44:14

a bell ringing. And we're going

44:16

to Bakersfield, and there was a

44:18

tag team called Gordon and Goliath.

44:20

And they hated Chavo Barrero. Who was

44:23

the top baby face at the time.

44:25

There's a big and jealousy thing. So

44:27

on the way there, I said to

44:29

Leo, I says, so what's going to

44:31

happen tonight and all this kind of

44:33

stuff, then he says I'm going to

44:35

have Chavo beat Gorman. One of

44:38

the two, yeah, whatever. Yeah, and

44:40

he keeps talking wrestling and stuff.

44:42

And so we get to Bakersfield

44:44

and I'm sitting there and it's

44:46

a little round building and Leo

44:49

Garbaldi lays out the biggest bunch

44:51

of baloney. Nothing that he told me

44:53

that I've ever heard. It was so

44:56

bad. that all of a

44:58

sudden gorman goliath they're getting

45:00

hot and they're half Hispanic

45:02

and have English talking back

45:05

and what and now they

45:07

hate Leo this is stupid

45:09

this and all of a

45:12

sudden gorman goes I'm gonna

45:14

put travel over just to show

45:16

you that's genius right that

45:18

right and he started teaching

45:21

me the psychology yeah

45:23

and then he said the moves

45:25

or just a translation for

45:27

the psychology, as words are,

45:29

for changing thoughts. Right. Brilliant.

45:32

So the light went off, and you're

45:34

letting me get out. But the light went

45:36

off in your head as soon as... Yeah.

45:38

Yeah. Said, hey, okay, this is what we'll

45:40

do, just... And then I started listening. Right.

45:43

But it's funny because, you know, when you

45:45

or I talked to some young cat every

45:47

now and then, you can tell them to

45:49

the, to the, to your blowing the face,

45:52

but sometimes, and you can just see it.

45:54

Yeah. Because we've been there and done an

45:56

experience, it's not really going in yet. Because

45:58

it's not ready to go in. Exactly. At

46:01

a certain level, it will start to

46:03

be able to sink in. Some people

46:05

will always be impervious to it. Some

46:08

will soak it in sooner than others.

46:10

That's just the way the business is.

46:12

It is. And you can tell, like,

46:14

I know you, if you're driving down

46:17

the road, you see somebody younger, you

46:19

know it almost in a beat and

46:21

a half. That's worth it or wonderful

46:24

guy, but that's what it is. Yeah,

46:26

and sometimes you got to go through

46:28

the process just to you know to

46:31

find out Yeah, or to be nice.

46:33

Yeah, but so anyway, you guys The

46:35

light bulb goes off in your brain

46:38

and you're getting promo time. He gave

46:40

you Leo gave you a mic. So

46:42

man. I mean where were your promos

46:45

coming from? I mean like because you're

46:47

known as being one of the best

46:49

promo guys of all time It's always

46:52

funny And you know, most people, the

46:54

thing about, the thing about wrestling, the

46:56

thing about the in-ring product or the

46:59

microphone, it's really subjective, by and large,

47:01

for the most part. Yeah, subjective. But

47:03

among top guys, that's a different story.

47:06

Yes, sir. So when I would say.

47:08

my top talkers, you are on that

47:10

list. There's a difference. There's good and

47:13

bad and there's people that don't know.

47:15

It's like, I love rock and roll

47:17

music. Some of my best friends played

47:20

rock and roll guitar. I can listen

47:22

to the same thing they're listed, but

47:24

I don't really get it. I get

47:27

it on my level. Yes. So we're

47:29

talking on a higher level. A true

47:31

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47:34

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48:29

with that being said, what

48:31

was the genesis of the

48:33

hot rot or just the

48:36

Roddy Piper promo in

48:38

general? Holy cow, good for

48:40

you. Say what it did there?

48:42

I see what you did there

48:44

and you did it really

48:46

good. And with respect,

48:49

I love you. I'll tell you the

48:51

truth. At that time, I

48:53

was harboring so much

48:56

humiliation and... anger and

48:58

rejection and like no pity

49:01

party here. I'm just answering

49:03

the question you know straight

49:05

up and I've been beat up

49:07

beat up so many times one

49:10

time to the point that

49:12

I was taking to the

49:14

hospital and they didn't they couldn't

49:16

figure out who I was that

49:19

when I got that Mike I just

49:21

let it out and it was

49:23

like therapy. Yeah, I had

49:25

so much in it. I

49:28

mean, I was, you know,

49:30

everything's my fault, but I

49:33

remember when I was 13,

49:35

I, it's kind of silly,

49:37

but I sat on a curb

49:40

in a town and I

49:42

started crying and...

49:44

Oh, about two or three hours

49:46

later, I figured out. No one's

49:49

going to come. Right. Well, okay.

49:51

Guess you better get up. Mom's

49:53

not going to make you the

49:56

sandwich. And other things that had

49:58

happened, and so... I

50:00

can say anything, you got it.

50:02

And then the more, as I

50:04

went along, I started to change

50:07

the structure of interviews, because like

50:09

the crusher or Billy's grandma, all

50:11

great, Dusty Rose, they're all great,

50:14

but they go like, I'm gonna

50:16

rip your ribcage out, tear your

50:18

eye out, but that never happened.

50:20

Right. So I learned, I started

50:23

a system where. if i said

50:25

it i had to try to

50:27

do it otherwise you lose all

50:30

your credibility right you're building credibility

50:32

i get you yeah yeah and

50:34

you know like one of the

50:36

and when one works for you

50:39

you get a tremendous amount of

50:41

confidence right so the one that

50:43

really works for me was I

50:46

had I was sitting on a

50:48

donkey painted as a zebra like

50:50

I got the idea in Tijuana

50:52

and I had a t-shirt that

50:55

said conquistadors of the Guerrero's. Are

50:57

you still in L.A. at this

50:59

time? I'm in L.A. I got

51:02

the mic and I'm like rolling.

51:04

And I got some brero on

51:06

and I got a piece of

51:08

tree branch with a string and

51:11

a cord. All right. And I'm

51:13

rolling. Okay. went all over the

51:15

world in Spanish. I still remember

51:18

the number. R-I-95171. I think it

51:20

was channel 54. 32, 54. Still

51:22

going. Yeah. The president of the

51:24

channel got so hot. Went to

51:27

my and we're going to take

51:29

them off TV. Oh, a lot

51:31

of eat. And I'm going, no,

51:34

and you apologize. I apologize. I'm

51:36

off. So like, it took about

51:38

two weeks of TVs. And I

51:40

said, the gueta. is the word

51:43

in Spanish for bagpites. I said,

51:45

listen, I have so sincere, I'm

51:47

so sorry, and all right, I'm

51:50

trying to learn the math, it's

51:52

hard, because it's a Scottish instrument,

51:54

do I buy? Okay, all of

51:56

a sudden. I say

51:59

I got it

52:01

when you come on Friday nights.

52:03

I'm playing. Okay, so Baby

52:06

Jesus, I got up

52:08

in that ring and the announcer's name

52:10

was Jimmy Lennon who saved my life

52:12

Great man. He saved my life from

52:14

a guy shooting me. I another story.

52:16

So I got in the ring It's just a

52:18

Jimmy Lennon. Please tell them to

52:20

be quiet and stand for

52:23

the Mexican national anthem I smell

52:25

a rat brother What they

52:27

stood up Babies

52:29

in their arms Total

52:33

commitment hand over the heart

52:35

of course could have here

52:37

to pin drop At

52:40

that moment I went

52:42

to myself. I wonder

52:44

and before And I

52:46

say Holy

52:53

cow the chairs were

52:55

bolted the chairs came

52:57

up the first successful

52:59

spabby the match never

53:01

got started Wow

53:04

shooting heat what a roll

53:06

straight up. Yeah too much

53:08

to the white right Right.

53:10

Right. That's good, but the rocks give me the

53:12

white. It

53:15

made Right the

53:17

AP in our business and it gave

53:19

me a confidence boost, right? So

53:21

now I got Jean and I'm starting

53:23

to form my own formula and

53:25

then Just like an incredible

53:27

bunch of talented guys that were

53:29

teaching me, you know Incredible

53:31

but you you love being a

53:33

heel. I'm a born. You're born.

53:36

Yeah, I hate you know, baby

53:38

I I wanted to be a hill

53:40

because that's what I Shy kid

53:42

same little different background But shy kid

53:44

and for me just being a heel

53:46

having that freedom and you know,

53:48

you you can't fail You know, you

53:50

can you can be like not

53:52

a good heel. Yeah, I mean you

53:54

can't fail from from the performance

53:56

standpoint It's execution and it was real

54:00

Because Mark is a baby face,

54:02

or maybe a great area of baby

54:04

face, but you love being a hill.

54:06

I still would be one. This is

54:08

the Steve Austin Show. Hey man, do

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you own or rent your home? Sure

54:12

you do. And I bet it can

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geico.com. I can't figure the doc. Now

54:36

this is a boxing match between you

54:38

and Mr. Ghan. Yeah. If you want

54:40

me, I'm like, I'll stick with you

54:42

because I'll go all over the place.

54:45

Okay. No, no, no, no, no, we're

54:47

everywhere anyway. We're already... He says, you've

54:49

already done that. There's a studio of

54:51

people in here watching. This is my

54:53

first time here at the Podcast One

54:55

Studios in Beverly Hills. I'm back from

54:57

Texas. I got all kinds of technology.

55:00

I made notes for Radi Radi Popper.

55:02

And I knew as soon as we

55:04

got in the room, we would just

55:06

start shooting a breeze. So here's the

55:08

thing. You're in LA all the time.

55:10

You can drop in and out as

55:12

much as much as much as much

55:15

as much as much as much as

55:17

you want to. We ain't gotta follow

55:19

anything chronological. I do this show for

55:21

the working man and the working woman.

55:23

As long as they're happy, I'm happy.

55:25

And obviously you're over laughing your ass

55:27

out, so you gotta be having a

55:30

good time where that shows your range

55:32

is an actor. All right, I know.

55:34

It's really cool, this is very cool.

55:36

So I send you in, you duck

55:38

a couple elbows, I put you in

55:40

a sleeper, you reverse that and you

55:42

got me in a sleeper, so where

55:44

do you want to go with this?

55:47

Do you want to stay in LA

55:49

or do you want to talk about

55:51

Piper's pitch? Are you going to talk

55:53

about NWA? What about the dog? dog

55:55

collar match with Valentine. I mean we're

55:57

all over the place. Yeah. Where do

55:59

you want to go? Well because okay

56:02

I know you love being a hill.

56:04

That's where yeah. But you're scrapping you

56:06

had to work for every single thing

56:08

because I got a good guy. Because

56:10

man just just I always try to

56:12

want the younger generation to learn something

56:14

out of the shows when I talk

56:17

to people like you obviously I don't

56:19

talk to many people that are in

56:21

your ballpark but you know what I'm

56:23

saying so this is a guy who

56:25

was a hill. A lot of things that happen

56:27

in your life, but from the performance

56:29

part of wrestling, you want it to

56:31

be hated. Yes. Same here. I love.

56:33

I love. Yeah, and when you reverse

56:35

it, because I always thought this about

56:37

you, Roddy, I always thought that as

56:39

a heel, you can make every single

56:41

person hate you. There weren't divided. I

56:43

mean, you, there was a small smidgen,

56:46

but those, you know, that's... That's just

56:48

because. And when you're a baby face,

56:50

you made people love you. There wasn't,

56:52

you know, there was almost all

56:54

or nothing with you. And that's

56:56

about a good accomplishment as you

56:58

can give a guy who's trying

57:00

to be a healer, trying to be

57:02

a baby face. The thing was like, when

57:04

you work the territories. What you

57:06

what what I learned was you had

57:08

to come in as a heel and

57:10

then turn baby face because you got

57:12

a double run Right and what guys

57:15

don't understand and then you were finished

57:17

that territory for L. Is L. A.

57:19

For instance you go to Portland. Nobody

57:21

knows who the hell you are. Right.

57:23

Let's just get quick. Quick. Don't know.

57:25

I know. Important wrestling. All right. So

57:27

like I'm scared to leave L. A.

57:29

Because I'm on top and you know.

57:31

Things are good. Rod, why? Yeah, because

57:33

if you really want to do this,

57:35

one thing that I watched all the time

57:37

was my progression and my age. I was ready

57:39

to take a left-hand turn if things weren't

57:41

going good. And you were still very, very

57:44

young. Yeah. And the wrestling business? I think,

57:46

geez. Yeah. Little too young. Geez, what was I going

57:48

to tell you? No, you're going to Portland wrestling.

57:50

It's a dialogue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah,

57:52

yeah. Okay, so anyway, so anyway, finally, finally I

57:54

get the, finally I get the guts, finally I

57:57

get the guts to go. Finally I get the

57:59

guts to go. live TV with

58:01

Don Owens. Don Owens, if

58:03

you don't know him, he

58:05

was a wonderful man. And

58:08

like Thanksgiving, he would bring

58:10

turkeys for the boys and

58:12

one year they had the

58:14

midgets, so like he bought

58:17

him Cornish hands. So it's

58:19

my first day in the

58:21

territory and you know, he's

58:24

heard whatever so all right

58:26

He's announcing and I'm in

58:28

the ring and I tell

58:30

him what like shut up

58:33

for the Scottish national anthem

58:35

whatever Boom blood the back

58:37

pipes And I used to

58:39

play them like Jack Banny.

58:42

Yeah, just total actual torture

58:44

to booming. Yeah Don Owen,

58:46

stop, stop, stop, he stops

58:48

me. He looks at the

58:51

crowd, stop, stop. He says,

58:53

now, I can't play the

58:55

bagpipes, and neither can you.

58:58

Let's give him another chance.

59:00

Never mind, never mind, just

59:02

take the bagpipes, and I'll

59:04

move on. So, you know,

59:07

I always ran into, I

59:09

just was a story. Yeah.

59:11

And then, so in Portland.

59:13

What I learned from L.A.,

59:16

I started to be able

59:18

to apply with no restrictions

59:20

and here nobody knew what

59:23

I was doing. That was

59:25

really important to keep that

59:27

to yourself. In the code,

59:29

what you're doing, you keep

59:32

to yourself. You never open

59:34

up. And so what I

59:36

learned from L.A. I used

59:38

in Portland. What I learned

59:41

from L.A. in Portland, the

59:43

next shot was Charlotte. And

59:45

we get to... uh... charland

59:47

and uh... and uh... and

59:50

uh... and uh... w a

59:52

crop wall out of control

59:54

by this time too the

59:57

business had been swelling okay

59:59

control. Yeah. Talk about on

1:00:01

the party end? Are you

1:00:03

talking about... I'm talking about

1:00:06

you know or just call it

1:00:08

party. It was a lifestyle.

1:00:10

Lifestyle. Caught up in the

1:00:12

highs of being in the

1:00:14

business and successful. The confidence.

1:00:16

You guys are flying. Anything

1:00:18

you wanted to do. It

1:00:21

was bulletproof. Bulletproof. Fastest

1:00:23

gun. Slamming cars and

1:00:25

you know just bad, bad, and wild.

1:00:27

bad but but you know had a

1:00:29

blast I know but but I mean

1:00:32

dare I say acceptable back then these

1:00:34

were you know this is what that

1:00:36

you know era was one of the

1:00:38

ways because we didn't have the media

1:00:40

that we would get attention for instance

1:00:42

Jay York would we come have a

1:00:44

small town and Jay York with a

1:00:46

12-foot bowl whip around them and a

1:00:48

buck knife six five three hundred pounds

1:00:50

go to a restaurant say give me

1:00:53

a dozen age of the pound bacon

1:00:55

and then gorgeous George would be

1:00:57

down the beauty parlor with the

1:00:59

window getting his hair done and

1:01:01

so that's the way and then

1:01:03

Piper just got arrested all right

1:01:05

good we got a car yeah

1:01:07

you know and that's the way

1:01:09

it was right but like

1:01:11

people start we started losing

1:01:14

people right we're losing them fast

1:01:16

for all kinds of different reasons and

1:01:18

so i come to the dog caller

1:01:20

match we just you know trying to

1:01:22

get there no but but but you

1:01:24

know in listening and reading about you

1:01:27

you spoke to there was a period

1:01:29

and you went to a real black

1:01:31

hole i mean i guess maybe might

1:01:33

have been the one of your really

1:01:35

low points and uh... we the business

1:01:37

had been losing a lot of guys

1:01:40

yeah what was that the wake-up call

1:01:42

for you to peel back a little

1:01:44

bit in moderation or you just hit

1:01:46

a bad spot and you stayed there

1:01:48

for a while. I tell you, I

1:01:51

tell you, I'm being honest, I

1:01:53

tell you what happened to me

1:01:55

where I got kicked into I

1:01:57

don't care whether I live or die.

1:01:59

Right. So take us back to

1:02:01

L.A. for a second. Vince McMahon's

1:02:03

senior and Mike LaBelle, the promoter

1:02:06

here in L.A., you know, all

1:02:08

promoters, every Monday they would talk

1:02:10

and I had this house and

1:02:12

I knew who did you have

1:02:14

on top, etc. And so he's,

1:02:16

Michael LaBelle's bragging about me and

1:02:19

he has Vince Jr., or Vince

1:02:21

Senior rather, bring me in. And

1:02:23

I don't know, maybe I was

1:02:25

1920 1920, whatever that is. Holy

1:02:27

cow, so I come into Madison

1:02:29

Square Garden, I come in in

1:02:32

the car and they pick me

1:02:34

up and like there's some just

1:02:36

kind of new young wrestlers like

1:02:38

Andre the Giant, Tony Atlas, uh,

1:02:40

through Bobby Backlin, Bruno, San Martino.

1:02:42

Just a couple of Hallofamers. Future

1:02:45

Hallofamers. Yeah, little guys. And I'm

1:02:47

probably again about a buck eighty.

1:02:49

And the bagpipes is a woodwind

1:02:51

instrument. You have to play it

1:02:53

a little bit before you go

1:02:55

out. When I first came into

1:02:58

the garden, Captain Lou Obano come

1:03:00

to me and he squeezed my

1:03:02

jay, Paisan! And he gives me

1:03:04

a hug, it's rest of love.

1:03:06

We don't watch you here, we've

1:03:08

been watching you on that Spanish

1:03:11

deal. Ah, get out of here!

1:03:13

You didn't know that was a

1:03:15

shoot at the time. I thought

1:03:17

it was wrestling, love. And Freddie

1:03:19

Blasey, Classy, Freddie Bazzi, he had

1:03:21

a cane and come over and

1:03:24

slam me in my shins. I

1:03:26

know not to my shin'a-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da- Nice

1:03:28

guys, right So yeah warmed up

1:03:30

the bagpipes and I put him

1:03:32

aside Mm-hmm, and the truth is

1:03:35

I was doing push-ups trying to

1:03:37

look like a hundred and eighty

1:03:39

one pound Yep, it's a little

1:03:41

poor. Isle anything anything going my

1:03:43

way I come out there and

1:03:45

of course Tell them all to

1:03:48

shut up for the Scottish National

1:03:50

and well Madison Square Gardens is

1:03:52

just 24,000 Puerto Ricans with bikes.

1:03:54

It takes them a while and

1:03:56

but like I knew I was

1:03:58

confident right promoters came from Japan

1:04:01

Germany and the glands are out

1:04:03

there to look at this boy

1:04:05

wonder. A hell of a damn

1:04:07

opportunity though. Oh, on top of

1:04:09

19 in the most prestigious venue

1:04:11

in the world. Right. And as

1:04:14

we know, boom, I went to

1:04:16

play the bagpipes and nothing chemo.

1:04:18

And again, I came fifth in

1:04:20

the world. I'm changing the spark

1:04:22

plugs on the fly, the oil,

1:04:24

what's going on? a lot i'm

1:04:27

now i'm scrambling problem go after

1:04:29

the guy do the finish come

1:04:31

back to the lock room literally

1:04:33

don't call us we'll call you

1:04:35

left in a cab back to

1:04:37

the airport and you know like

1:04:40

i totally fell on my face

1:04:42

and everybody was happy about it

1:04:44

because i had i had been

1:04:46

on top so young that you

1:04:48

know, they wanted you to fail

1:04:51

back then. So it was a

1:04:53

little brutal from that perspective, but

1:04:55

finally I went, what happened? And

1:04:57

I grabbed the bagpipes in the

1:04:59

cab. Like I was really, I

1:05:01

was like a... a deer in

1:05:04

I don't know what I'm saying

1:05:06

so you didn't know that you

1:05:08

had been screwed no you're about

1:05:10

to find that out upon examination

1:05:12

yeah I think pipe go ahead

1:05:14

cuz like all of a sudden

1:05:17

the match is over I'm back

1:05:19

get out yeah you you failed

1:05:21

a fail yeah get out and

1:05:23

you don't know why you failed

1:05:25

not a clue so what happened

1:05:27

and I like I barely showered

1:05:30

I put literally get out yeah

1:05:32

and there's a cab and I

1:05:34

go back and I'm you know

1:05:36

I'm my I'm pretty crestfallen at

1:05:38

this point and then what the

1:05:40

heck and bagpipes and when they

1:05:43

said they didn't want me they

1:05:45

meant it and crestfallen turn to

1:05:47

straight up rage and angry they

1:05:49

sabotaged your backpipes Freddie Blassie put

1:05:51

six feet of toilet paper where

1:05:53

your fingers are it's called a

1:05:56

chander put six feet of toilet

1:05:58

paper up there so they wouldn't

1:06:00

work it's like Like if you

1:06:02

were Elvis Presley and coming to

1:06:04

get any, you cut his

1:06:07

make off. Right. Right. Hold

1:06:09

cow. And, um, you know,

1:06:11

I was, I didn't have

1:06:14

anybody else, I didn't have

1:06:16

any family. And, uh,

1:06:18

I got really mean and

1:06:21

didn't, really didn't care if

1:06:23

I lived to die every

1:06:25

day. And almost push

1:06:28

it. Because I Almost wanted

1:06:30

to be put out of

1:06:32

my misery. So when I got

1:06:34

into bad situations I looked like

1:06:37

courage, but it was coward that

1:06:39

I would just pull right into

1:06:41

it It was a hard shot. That

1:06:43

was a very hard shot, but but

1:06:46

along with That on top of the

1:06:48

way you come up through your youth

1:06:50

getting on the road at such a

1:06:52

young age Learning the business like you

1:06:55

did then all of a sudden you're

1:06:57

gaining confidence momentum steam the big opportunity

1:06:59

Oh they they flat out tell you

1:07:01

they don't want you there then they

1:07:03

prove it you don't know what's going

1:07:06

on and all of a sudden then

1:07:08

there's the screw job and that's when

1:07:10

everything turns to raising it almost seems

1:07:12

like I created a thing, Roddy, back

1:07:14

in the day. I told Brian Pillman

1:07:17

after I attacked him in the ring

1:07:19

and I told him DTA, brother, don't

1:07:21

trust anybody. Yeah. It sounds

1:07:23

like you were living DTA 24 7.

1:07:25

Yeah. Because it was you against the

1:07:28

world. I still have trust issues. Yeah.

1:07:30

Yeah. And I can't open up about

1:07:32

the business. You know what? Here's something.

1:07:35

Mick Foley said something. Let's just kind

1:07:37

of stay here for a second. It

1:07:39

might be interesting to your fans.

1:07:42

As you know we want to say

1:07:44

about I know someday we'll talk

1:07:47

about how professional wrestling got started

1:07:49

in it. Oh yeah another day

1:07:51

yeah but like what you've got

1:07:53

to understand this gorgeous George and

1:07:55

all those boys and people coming

1:07:57

in cats and ties and minks.

1:08:00

Okay, and all of a sudden,

1:08:02

I don't know, 596061, there's

1:08:04

businesses corrupt, falls on its

1:08:06

face, but there was all

1:08:08

these guys like 35 that

1:08:10

were gonna be the next

1:08:12

main event, they're over to

1:08:14

getting another job, they got

1:08:16

families, and boom. And so

1:08:18

they all formed territories, and

1:08:20

now I come. Huh, you

1:08:22

kidding me? You know, this

1:08:24

kid, I've got, that was

1:08:26

their attitude. They didn't want

1:08:28

it. And they were very

1:08:30

happy I failed. So after

1:08:32

taking that in, I went

1:08:34

a long time, meaning I

1:08:36

went through from LA to

1:08:38

Portland to Charlotte, where a

1:08:40

guy with a knife, I

1:08:42

just came at him, he

1:08:44

stabbed me, and I didn't

1:08:46

care. Honestly, I didn't care.

1:08:48

To Atlanta, where things got

1:08:50

really out of control. And

1:08:52

you know who first wanted

1:08:54

to take over the world,

1:08:56

was Jim Barnett. Right. And

1:08:58

he had me sign a

1:09:00

contract with Oldie Anderson, had

1:09:02

one of the very first

1:09:04

contracts, but his friend was

1:09:06

a Chicago Tribune guy and

1:09:08

he didn't want to bus

1:09:10

borders. And after they signed

1:09:13

me a contract, they fired

1:09:15

me and blackballed me over

1:09:17

the entire world. And I

1:09:19

had my, at that time,

1:09:21

my first child, and they

1:09:23

set me up. I was

1:09:25

with Tommy Rich. I had

1:09:27

a double shot. Tommy Rich

1:09:29

accidentally, whatever, went 100 miles

1:09:31

the wrong way and had

1:09:33

to turn around for Chattanooga

1:09:35

and there was cops posted

1:09:37

anyway, you know, made the

1:09:39

double shot late and then

1:09:41

they fired me and they

1:09:43

turned me into the IRS

1:09:45

and they blackball me around

1:09:47

the world and that's where

1:09:49

I loved Rick Flair so

1:09:51

much because at that time

1:09:53

like I could only go

1:09:55

to like Japan, sing, what

1:09:57

is that? San Antonio, you

1:09:59

know, Puerto Rico. Yeah, and

1:10:01

I got a I got

1:10:03

a child and so and

1:10:05

you know When I got

1:10:07

blackballs and all this happened,

1:10:09

my wife and I, I

1:10:11

said, go to a movie

1:10:13

and it was just the

1:10:15

first showin' of ramble. Yeah.

1:10:17

I come out of that

1:10:19

movie with machine guns, grenade

1:10:21

lunge. You was ready to

1:10:23

get back on a mission.

1:10:25

You betcha! And you know,

1:10:27

I then somehow got back

1:10:29

with Crocket and, you know,

1:10:31

then the whole Starcade thing

1:10:33

took place. I guess My

1:10:35

point is this, so when

1:10:37

the gorgeous era and you

1:10:39

got all these mean guys,

1:10:41

right, let me put this

1:10:43

all together now, it makes

1:10:45

sense. I love him. He's

1:10:47

a really great guy. I

1:10:49

seen him. So what did

1:10:51

he say? He said this,

1:10:53

he said this, he says,

1:10:55

you know, I've been mankind,

1:10:57

dude love, whatever, and he

1:10:59

says, then there's, you know,

1:11:01

like, kind of like you,

1:11:03

Roddy, where you lived it,

1:11:05

you know, only for seven.

1:11:07

I found that really interesting

1:11:10

and respectful because here's the

1:11:12

truth. To regain the respect

1:11:14

for the industry, you had

1:11:16

to be the guy 24-7.

1:11:18

If you went into a

1:11:20

bar and someone said fake,

1:11:22

I was all over you.

1:11:24

And Flair, they want, because

1:11:26

people were so... And these

1:11:28

guys, even, you know, with

1:11:30

Hogan, he's holding 24-7 Flair,

1:11:32

I could get... with my

1:11:34

family later but you had

1:11:36

to be that guy from

1:11:38

about 70 three-ish to now

1:11:40

we're coming up to 80

1:11:42

and then the fans there

1:11:44

was a whole swelling of

1:11:46

professional wrestling is getting cool

1:11:48

again and out of TBS

1:11:50

and then they then they

1:11:52

fired me fired me but

1:11:54

it's a really great observation

1:11:56

on McFoldies part the amount

1:11:58

of sacrifice not a those

1:12:00

three men I just mentioned

1:12:02

but many others like them

1:12:04

that made for our sport

1:12:06

business they gave their lives

1:12:08

to it and that's where

1:12:10

I get mad when they

1:12:12

take care of your own

1:12:14

is like and I you

1:12:16

know I love incident it's

1:12:18

sick twisted I love

1:12:20

them and but what they don't

1:12:22

know what we did for their

1:12:24

business and the last point I'll

1:12:27

make it on this is After

1:12:29

it was finished, T. Hogan and

1:12:32

McMahon were at this big party.

1:12:34

Bobby Horton and I, everybody was

1:12:36

gone. Our car was gone. There

1:12:38

was nothing. No security. We

1:12:40

walked down that round thing to

1:12:42

the bottom and there's a policeman

1:12:45

on a horse. And we realized,

1:12:47

like, serious. And we just busted

1:12:49

out that door. I don't know

1:12:51

how many people. Just hitting and

1:12:53

swinging, got a cab, drove away.

1:12:55

When you get treated like that,

1:12:57

sometimes... Day after day and

1:13:00

you're constantly fighting and

1:13:02

then the people would come

1:13:04

after my family You know

1:13:07

I knocked mr. T down

1:13:09

kick Cindy lopper slap to

1:13:11

whatever whatever I got people

1:13:13

coming after my family,

1:13:15

right? It was a full-time job

1:13:18

and You had to live it so

1:13:20

and the way I kind of got

1:13:22

out of it was when my first

1:13:24

child was born I wanted

1:13:27

to have that family. And

1:13:29

then all of a sudden,

1:13:31

I watched an episode of

1:13:33

the Walton's and it was

1:13:35

a Christmas Walton's and they

1:13:37

had the family around and

1:13:39

I'm eating the turkey and

1:13:41

stuff and I wanted to have

1:13:43

that family. And then all

1:13:45

of a sudden the lady I

1:13:48

was with got pregnant. And there's

1:13:50

an old saying, you need a license to

1:13:52

hunt, you need a license to fish, any

1:13:54

of you can have a kid, takes a

1:13:57

man to be a father. And it wasn't

1:13:59

overnight. But I wanted to be

1:14:01

a good to be a

1:14:03

good I got really dark. Yeah, that

1:14:05

was very, got that would have been

1:14:07

the you know, that

1:14:09

would have been like

1:14:12

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