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All right. I'm sitting here at here

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in the Broken at the Robinsco I got

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out here got about an hour

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ago, an hour everything in. I know

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I was going to I podcast with

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to do a who I was a

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huge fan of fan back in the day.

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And of course, I'm still a fan I'm still a

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fan of days back when I grew up. up watching

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professional wrestling, although Missy Hight only

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about a year a year age, she got

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into business before I did. before I did. So

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anyway, I'm talking Hyatt. Missy, how are you?

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It's good to see you again. It's

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good to talk to you. I can't

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remember the last time I saw you

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in person. the last time I saw you in it

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was in New York, I saw you in

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New York. you in New York. When was that?

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it? You were You were doing an autograph

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show. It was in New York a

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long time ago, 2000, I think. Yeah, well, I think.

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years ago. Yeah, yeah, years ago. long

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it's been. I mean, the head how long it's been.

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steel chairs, and your to head with too

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many steel hitting the your too been

1:05

head to head with too many

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loaded Gucci bags. exactly. And exactly and just

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don't remember in this this interview that

1:11

we're doing that I am the the veteran.

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Yes, you you are. You're going to have

1:16

to carry to have to carry me through this thing. Hey, go

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back to you for a second, because I

1:20

was a major fan of everything that

1:22

was that was UWS or Med South Power Pro, whatever is called

1:24

back then. I know you started in

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Dallas. You got into business when you were

1:28

a business when You You up in Florida, correct? correct?

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Yes, I I grew up in in Did you always

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watch pro watch how did you get turned? How

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did you get turned on know business? until

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I was what? I wasn't until I

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was watching Georgia Georgia Well,

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my dad was, and he

1:43

was flipping channels. and he was flipping channels

1:45

and the free were on and I

1:47

I was like what are you

1:49

watching daddy? He's like oh, watching wrestling and

1:52

I was like oh my gosh

1:54

what are they doing and I'll

1:56

never forget because they they did

1:58

something in an with Terry with Terry Bambbam, a

2:00

baby bonded on his head and a

2:02

baby in a baby in a baby

2:04

pastifiers now and he was running around

2:07

and squealing and and and I thought

2:09

it was the biggest who in the

2:11

world and I was like oh my

2:13

gosh that's what I want to do

2:15

I want to do that I want

2:17

to be involved in that you know

2:20

and then I started watching it and

2:22

just became a band and and It

2:25

was, that was it. I got the

2:27

bug. The bug bit me. The free

2:29

birds bit me. Okay, so you were

2:31

down in Florida. So how did you

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end up getting in the business? Because

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your first office in world class, correct?

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Right, right. Well, I moved to Atlanta

2:39

and I met John Tatum. Okay. I

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had dated Jake. Roberts previously to that,

2:43

but I had met Johnny and then

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Johnny went to work for Jim Crockett

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for a little while and he worked

2:50

there and then after Jim Crockett he

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went to work for world class and

2:54

I went with him when he moved

2:56

to Dallas. That's a blast from the

2:58

past when you bring up John Tatum's

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name because man I used to, when

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I was playing football at North Texas

3:04

State University and John came through the

3:06

territory and you know he was a

3:08

hot hill, he was a good worker,

3:10

good looking guy. And he had a

3:12

ton of heat on him, of course

3:15

I hated his guts. But you know

3:17

I just remember him from you know

3:19

the Dallas days facial expressions So you

3:21

have so good at the facial expressions.

3:23

He was like a big crybaby and

3:25

oh he was so great. So what

3:27

did he did he go to who

3:29

was booking at the time? Was it

3:31

French? No, as a matter of fact,

3:33

it was it was David Manning and

3:35

Ken Mantle So how did they picture

3:37

say, hey, you know, this? Well, I,

3:39

you know what, I was just there.

3:41

I mean, and they saw me backstage

3:44

and David Manning was like, hey, we

3:46

need a valet to go up, you

3:48

know, sunshine's a baby face and she

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doesn't have a heel. So we need

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a heel to go up against her.

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Do you want to be a manager?

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And I was like, yeah, sure. I'll

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do that. do I got to do?

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And they just go out and hit

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sunshine with a purse and do it

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like that. And I was just like,

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okay, you know, I'll do it. I

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signed up to go to college and

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I up there and didn't and I

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never made it to college never made

4:15

it. So tell me about your introduction

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into the business because you start watching

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in Florida at 17 and all of

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a sudden you're in the business that

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you decided that that's what you wanted

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to do. Now Sunshine was there you

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were going to go on in a

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year or two and start feuding your

4:31

very famous feud with dark journey but

4:33

man other than you know the women

4:35

wrestlers from back in the day who

4:37

paved the women scene that's going on

4:39

now you know there was such a

4:42

male dominated industry back then and now

4:44

here you are totally you know green

4:46

is grass so what was the attitude

4:48

towards you from the boys from the

4:50

boys that were really nice to me

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i mean i used to go in

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there was no two dressing rooms there

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was always you know the heel dressing

4:58

room in the face dressing room but

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Johnny would take a chair and I'd

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put it in the corner and I'd

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face the corner and read a book

5:06

because I thought it was really disrespectful

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to be in the dressing room and

5:11

seeing guys changing and partying and doing

5:13

whatever they do. Yeah, locker room stuff.

5:15

And so I used to just sit

5:17

there and do it, but I remember

5:19

like the first few times that I

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would come in, they'd go Kay Faye,

5:23

Kay Faye, and I'm like, my name's

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not Kay, it's Missy. Well

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they're just trying to, they're trying to

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keep, maybe just because you're so green

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and maybe they didn't know how long

5:35

you would last and so they did

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want to smarten you up to all

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the trade secrets of the day. Exactly,

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and I'll never forget John Tatum and

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Johnny and Michael Hayes were trying to

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teach me, and I still haven't ever

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mastered it either. and it's like I

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talk it too slow or something or

5:53

I don't know I can understand a

5:55

little bit of it but at a

5:57

date? I was never a guy who

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really gravitated towards the whole, used the

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KFAM language saying, yeah, I could say

6:04

the arbitrary word here there, but it's

6:06

not something I thrived on. But that

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being said, it's like now that I've

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been so far removed from the business,

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I retired in 2003 and I kind

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of still, my inner circle of friends,

6:18

they know my lingo and I don't,

6:20

talking carnie, but I'll say Kay Faye,

6:22

they know what they mean, they know

6:24

what shoot means, you know, if I

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say no, like politically, if I'm watching

6:29

some minutes of work, do you still

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use those words today in your life?

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My best friend, she never really watched

6:36

wrestling at all and we go to

6:38

re and I do World War II

6:40

and Civil War II and Civil War

6:42

reenacting, I'm a living historian. And we'll

6:45

go and she'll see somebody dressed in

6:47

something that's, you know, not corrected. She's

6:49

like, oh, Kay Faye. That to me.

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And I have to laugh sometime. Or

6:54

she'll say something. I'll say, oh, that

6:56

was a shoot. And she was like,

6:58

yeah, that was a shoot. You know,

7:00

but she says it never correctly. But

7:03

she gets the Kay Baye down right.

7:05

Or she'll be like. payfade those shoes

7:07

like that. Oh, Jesus. Hey, let's talk

7:09

a quick second about your feud with

7:12

Sunshine and World Class Champion because she

7:14

was really over. And so she had

7:16

been in the business quite some time

7:18

before you. And of course that territory

7:21

had been on fire. So what was

7:23

her attitude towards you? Obviously she needs

7:25

an adversary. You're the perfect foil. But

7:27

how did y'all get along? And did

7:30

she help smart you up as far

7:32

as the work aspect of it? How

7:34

to do this? How to do that?

7:37

Like for instance, you know, grabbing your

7:39

head and seemingly pulling every hair. But

7:41

hold it on your hands. Yes, she

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baby steps with me. She came in

7:46

there and worked with me and taught

7:48

with me and I'll never forget one

7:50

of the first nights we ever had

7:52

to roll around together. I laughed because

7:55

I was having a good time because

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to me, I was getting paid to

7:59

do something I would have done. free.

8:01

You know, I mean I was just

8:04

having a good time and we got

8:06

back in the locker room and I'll

8:08

never forget she comes in the locker

8:10

room and she's like don't you ever

8:13

laugh out there. I mean our hair

8:15

was in our face and everything's one

8:17

could see it. But she was like

8:19

I was like I'm sorry I'm sorry

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I'm sorry I will never do that

8:24

again. But she if it wasn't for

8:26

sunshine being such a wonderful person and

8:28

really helping me and teaching me I

8:31

would have never never never been able

8:33

to to take the abuse that I

8:35

took in the UWS. How long did

8:37

it take you to come to understand

8:40

just the aspect of heat, how to

8:42

get heat, how to maintain heat, and

8:44

you know what it was, because you

8:46

know that Dallas territory thrived on hot

8:49

heels, especially you, and of course she

8:51

was over as a baby face, tell

8:53

me about your understanding of how the

8:56

business worked. Well, I mean, I started

8:58

because of Jake. Like Jake really taught

9:00

me because we would sit up all

9:02

night playing cards and watch wrestling and

9:05

talk and so I kind of understood

9:07

the business and and I had an

9:09

understanding of the business but it wasn't

9:11

until I actually worked that I got

9:14

an understanding of it but I thought

9:16

I thought the main thing was the

9:18

crowd. It was like it was so

9:20

easy, the crowd was so easy to

9:23

turn and to do, if you did

9:25

anything, you would just automatically get heat.

9:27

And in just anything that I did,

9:29

I wouldn't get heat for it. And

9:32

it was just to me, it was

9:34

simple. Also when I kind of watched

9:36

back because I hearken upon those old

9:38

days when Not all the exposies had

9:41

been done so Many people saw through

9:43

it right from the get-go because a

9:45

lot of people like even you know

9:47

in the earlier days in the 40s

9:50

50s or whatever people Yeah, it was

9:52

always on the take I bought in

9:54

when I was a kid growing up

9:56

seven eight years old. I thought it

9:59

was real now when I was in

10:01

college and I was dressed down to

10:03

the sportitorium, I knew something was up,

10:05

but I still wasn't sure. So when

10:08

you started, I mean, it's still quote

10:10

unquote real, and when you're a good

10:12

looking blonde and you're doing dastardly things,

10:15

I mean, the heat getting process, I

10:17

would dare say it was a little

10:19

bit easier back then because people weren't

10:21

in the know, and all of a

10:24

sudden. Pardon my language, but you have

10:26

this good-looking blonde bitch out there who's

10:28

doing, dude distracting and doing dash and

10:30

just hate, you know what I'm saying?

10:33

And being very annoying. Being very annoying,

10:35

condescending. Yeah, very, I mean, like I'll

10:37

never forget, like they had me do

10:39

the interviews because they said Johnny talked

10:42

like he talked like he was drunk.

10:44

Like I don't know why, he wasn't

10:46

ever drunk. But they said, okay, Missy,

10:48

you do the interviews. So I had

10:51

to start doing the interviews and they

10:53

just said wine and complain. And I

10:55

mean, and I can whine and complain.

10:57

I've been whining and complaining, you know,

11:00

since I was young. So that was

11:02

really simple for me to do that.

11:04

But I was told one time, I,

11:06

uh, Kim Entel told me that Sunshine,

11:09

if she's told the hall last, she

11:11

has to take two trips. And I

11:13

went out and set up for bait

11:15

him, call ass. And I came back

11:18

and he had a look on a

11:20

space like, you said ass. And this

11:22

was when we were on the Saturday

11:24

night show, which is. Christian station and

11:27

he was like so scared they were

11:29

gonna have to bleep that out or

11:31

do something I'm like but you told

11:34

me to say yes yeah I didn't

11:36

understand you know like I you I

11:38

did what you told me to do

11:40

that was ahead of his time this

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Here's a question for you. You came

12:58

in as a, you know, your real

13:00

name is Melissa Hyatt, so your nickname

13:02

has probably always been Missy, correct? Yeah.

13:04

Okay, so when I tell people, and

13:06

you know, from back in the day,

13:08

I was Steve Williams and turned into

13:10

Steve Austin, Stone Cold. But finally when

13:12

I was able to dial in the

13:15

character of Stone Cold after being the

13:17

ringmaster and all that, really Stone Cold

13:19

was me turned up two and 11.

13:21

Would you say the same thing about

13:23

Missy... Your character, Missy Hyatt? Oh yeah,

13:25

definitely. Definitely. I would say. Were you

13:27

a winer and complainer growing up? Because

13:29

if you're coming from Florida, I just

13:31

put you as being like a pretty

13:34

tough chick, like, you know, maybe. Were

13:36

you a powder puff? I mean, what?

13:38

Yeah, I was a powder puff. I

13:40

mean, my dad, I mean, I wrecked

13:42

a lot of cars. My dad bought

13:44

me a lot of cars. I was

13:46

spoiled kind of growing up, kind of

13:48

growing up, so I guess. Yeah, pretty

13:50

much. I mean, I was the geek

13:53

though in school. Like, you know, I

13:55

didn't have cool clothes. I wasn't, I

13:57

was. of a geek in school. But

13:59

I mean, I did wild things. I

14:01

had a fake ID and would go

14:03

to bars and go out and have,

14:05

you know, fun times. But what kind

14:07

of grades did you make? Because you've

14:09

always been very intelligent. Well, I mean,

14:12

I made C's, I made C's, C's

14:14

and B's probably, you know, I just

14:16

skated through. I skated through it wasn't

14:18

until later on when I went to

14:20

college that I really put myself. you

14:22

know, into the zone because I wasn't

14:24

prepared to go to college when I

14:26

was like 17 or 18 when I

14:28

graduated in high school. I was ready.

14:31

I wanted to get into wrestling. I

14:33

didn't want to go to college. Well,

14:35

at one time did you decide, hey,

14:37

man, this has all been fine and

14:39

dandy, but I need to get my

14:41

ass in college and decide to go.

14:43

No, you know, what really what it

14:45

was was was when I moved to

14:47

New York, and that's when I decided

14:50

to go to college. because I always

14:52

wanted to go to college and I

14:54

always wanted to have a degree and

14:56

it wasn't until I moved in New

14:58

York City that I was like hey

15:00

I'm gonna go to college while I'm

15:02

here. What year was that? I graduated

15:04

in 2001. So what did you end

15:07

up getting a degree in? Psychology. Why

15:10

did you pick psychology? I mean

15:12

because there's so much psychology. I

15:14

mean the business is based on

15:16

psychology. I know exactly I don't

15:18

know I think I started out

15:20

as biology and I couldn't I

15:22

couldn't hack it in biology and

15:24

so I really like the site

15:26

courses and I really like like

15:28

I like forensic psychology. and I

15:30

love like investigation discovery and like

15:32

serial killers and stuff like that.

15:34

Let's talk about the serial killers

15:36

there because there's some common ground

15:38

there because when I was in

15:40

WWE I was the ringmaster and

15:42

I was drinking a beer watching

15:44

a special on serial killer Richard

15:46

Keklinsky the Iceman. Yes. And I'm

15:48

not endorsing anything he did, but

15:50

he's a very evil guy. But

15:52

I said, hey man, that's very

15:54

interesting what that guy has done.

15:56

He's just a cold-blooded, ruthless son

15:58

of a bitch and doesn't give

16:00

a damn. And I pitched that

16:02

idea to the WW. anyway, that's

16:04

how I became Stone Cold Steve

16:06

Allston. And of course, you know,

16:08

I've read, you know, the Henry

16:10

Lee Lucas books, all that stuff has

16:12

been somewhat, I remember going to

16:14

Jeffrey Damer's apartment in Milwaukee, way

16:16

back in the day, when we

16:18

were traveling through. Me and Jesse

16:20

Ventura, we were there doing a

16:22

paper view and we made the

16:24

car driver take us by the

16:26

apartment complex of Jeffrey Dahmer's and

16:28

Jesse got out and we were

16:30

looking in the dumpsters and we're

16:32

like there's nothing going to be

16:34

in there but you know we

16:36

love but we won't buy his

16:38

apartment too. So what what entice

16:40

you or what interest you? I want

16:43

to use the right, I want

16:45

to make sure you use the

16:47

right word or don't want to

16:49

use the wrong word about what

16:51

we're just talking about. Just to

16:53

me, people like that are so

16:55

fucked up. It's very interesting to

16:57

understand and so many of them

16:59

have no remorse or just detached.

17:01

I just don't get it. It's

17:03

like this, some of the people

17:05

that I work with now is

17:07

like, you know, they're happy that

17:09

they have food and stay in

17:11

the shelter and get their food stamps,

17:13

they have their Obama phone, and

17:15

they just have no sense of

17:17

doing anything else, no sense of

17:19

improving themselves or doing anything. They

17:21

just, just going through life, just

17:23

breathing and I'm just, you know,

17:25

and you try to help them

17:27

and they don't, there's no helping.

17:29

Let's see, let's, I want to

17:31

go back to psychology, but I

17:33

want to now go to Mid-South

17:35

PowerPro, UWF. What did you call

17:37

it? When you worked for Bill

17:39

Watch, what was the name of

17:41

the promotion back then? Did it change?

17:44

Oh, it was just UWF. Okay,

17:46

and this one, he was trying

17:48

to be up against Crockett. So

17:50

when you say we raided, is

17:52

that when you're already with Bill

17:54

Watch? Well, no, when we were

17:56

all with world class and everybody

17:58

left world class and went to

18:00

UW up, you know, Ken Mantell

18:02

took everybody, the free birth. Everybody

18:04

and me and Johnny and Jack

18:06

Victory and took everyone. Well, that's

18:08

a hell of a damn thing

18:10

here. What was the strategy there?

18:12

Was it was just because was it

18:14

Fritz that was running the territory

18:16

or was the majority owner still

18:18

alive? What was his name? I'm

18:20

hit myself in the head. Anyway,

18:22

why did everybody make the exodus

18:24

to UWF? I don't know. You

18:26

know what? I really don't know.

18:28

And I've had this talk with

18:30

a friend of mine. And I

18:32

said, you know, if I would

18:34

have known that us leaving would

18:36

have killed the territory, I would

18:38

have stayed because Fritz treated me

18:40

so well and gave me my

18:42

start and they just, you know,

18:44

I loved working there and it was

18:47

so easy, you know, Friday nights

18:49

for a tourium, Monday night, Fort

18:51

Worth, and close shows, you know,

18:53

we weren't on the road like

18:55

we were in the UWF. and

18:57

um but he's like no but

18:59

the territory it it died after

19:01

that it died after that and

19:03

I have a question for you

19:05

about that because okay but let's

19:07

let's put a let's put a

19:09

break on the let's put a

19:11

break on the uwf I got

19:13

to go back to the sportatory

19:15

because you were there were so many

19:17

battles when I think of that

19:19

place it smelled like piss beer

19:21

hot dogs popcorn yeah how did

19:23

it feel how did it feel

19:25

be in there going there as

19:27

a fan and then going there

19:29

working there, you know, watching it

19:31

as a fan and it's heyday

19:33

when there's all those people there

19:35

and then going to work there

19:37

and there's only 200 people there.

19:39

How did it people? That's a

19:41

great question because you know when

19:43

I was playing football in North

19:45

Texas state and that was 86-87, so

19:48

world-class was running pretty strong then

19:50

still. to fume out. It was

19:52

going to fume out in 89.

19:54

So it was still pretty hot

19:56

and heavy and we would go

19:58

down on the Friday nights. Me

20:00

and my buddies from college, we

20:02

drink beer, get drunk and throw

20:04

shit at the wrestlers. That's what

20:06

you did back and right. And

20:08

so, you know, a couple of

20:10

years later when I'm breaking in

20:12

and I'm taking the school that

20:14

there on the Saturday mornings after

20:16

the TV tape and There I am

20:18

in that building and I couldn't

20:20

believe it. I was like a

20:22

kid in a candy store and

20:24

then finally, you know, I started

20:26

working, you know, I was just

20:28

a young, good-looking baby-faced, long blonde

20:30

hair. And Pee watch, you high

20:32

and all the hot hills from

20:34

Tennessee would come in and beat

20:36

this shit out of me. Try

20:38

to get some heat on them.

20:40

And I was nobody, so I

20:42

was just paying my dues. But

20:44

then to finally start working out

20:46

there, it was... It

20:48

was so fun back then with that

20:50

little string that ran down to the

20:53

entrance plate. And you know the Von

20:55

Ericks, those Von Erick boys, you used

20:57

to watch them on TV and you

20:59

can vouch for this because I don't

21:01

think a lot of people understand how

21:04

over Those Von Eric boys were, they

21:06

would get mugged. She girls would be

21:08

hugging them, kissing them. They'd have about

21:10

four, five or six phone numbers written

21:12

on paper in their trunks or in

21:14

their hands. It was mayhem. And so,

21:17

you know, I went down there, you

21:19

know, nobody gave a shit about me

21:21

because I wasn't anybody. But it was

21:23

awesome. Hey, what kind of man was

21:25

Fritz to you. I never really got

21:28

a chance to meet him. I never

21:30

got a chance, oh he was wonderful

21:32

to me, I'll never forget, going up

21:34

in his office when they wanted to

21:36

hire me, and it was Fritz and

21:39

Kerry and Kevin sitting in there, and

21:41

they're like, okay, so we're going to

21:43

hire you, what name were we going

21:45

to use, you know, and we're trying

21:47

to figure out a name, and Johnny

21:49

called me Missy, and they're like, well,

21:52

let's just use your name, you know,

21:54

like that. shouldn't have gotten paid that.

21:56

Like, we got paid really well. He

21:58

paid as well. He was always, if

22:00

he said something, he did it. He

22:03

was an honest guy. He was a

22:05

wonderful man. What was your take on

22:07

the locker room there because I've heard

22:09

tales from back in the day that

22:11

that was a pretty hairy locker room

22:14

just as far as just just blow

22:16

I mean something gas smoking pot this

22:18

isn't one of those we're trying to

22:20

bury everybody but I heard it was

22:22

a pretty wild dressing room by all

22:24

accounts. It was pretty wild like Gina

22:27

Hernandez was there and Juno, you know,

22:29

would come in there with his Louis

22:31

Vuitton, you know, and dressed up, looking,

22:33

you know, sharp dress man, and, and,

22:35

uh, then you had, then you'd have

22:38

Kerry come in, which would be funny,

22:40

and he'd walk around, he'd shake everybody's

22:42

hand, and about 15 minutes later, he'd

22:44

go and do it again, and shake

22:46

everybody's hand. Okay, I got to ask

22:49

you a question. Was that a rib

22:51

or was that a shoot? Because when-

22:53

It was a shoot. Okay, I think

22:55

it was too, because when I first

22:57

came in, you know, when you first

23:00

come in that front sportatory door, if

23:02

you hang an immediate right, that's a

23:04

janitor's closet. And when I first started

23:06

doing the commercials for Chris Adams Russell

23:08

School, they made me dress in there.

23:10

And then finally, when after a couple

23:13

of months, they let me dress, you

23:15

know, in the dressing room to the

23:17

left, where all the boys dressed, you

23:19

know, because I wouldn't gave him any

23:21

more. And I walked in there and

23:24

Kevin said, hey man, how you doing?

23:26

How you doing? Kevin Monarch. And I

23:28

said, I'm doing good. And then a

23:30

couple of minutes later, goes, hey man,

23:32

how are you? How are you? He

23:35

said, man, it's been a while, I

23:37

haven't seen you a long time. Man,

23:39

we used to have some good matches

23:41

together. And I said, Kevin, I just

23:43

met you for the first time a

23:45

while ago. I said, I'm just now

23:48

starting. And he goes, oh, I'm sorry.

23:50

And I thought it was ribbon me,

23:52

but I think it was a shoot.

23:54

Yeah, I think it was. I think

23:56

it was. Hey, here's a thing. I

23:59

was going to work with Kerry one

24:01

night. working on top of some of

24:03

these little Dallas spot shows with either

24:05

Kevin or Kerry. And of course, you

24:07

know, it was literally a five minute

24:10

match, literally. And it'd be something where

24:12

I'd shine them with one high spot

24:14

or they'd beat the shit out of

24:16

me. And then all of a sudden

24:18

I'd be in an iron claw. You

24:20

know, and I'd be out. I'm really

24:23

upset because I always wanted to get

24:25

the iron claw. I got spanked by

24:27

Kevin Bonnier one time, but I always

24:29

wanted to get the iron claw and

24:31

I never got the iron claw and

24:34

you got the iron claw. One time

24:36

I was going to a, it was,

24:38

I think we were working Cleamer and

24:40

it was just a little spot show

24:42

outside of Dallas and I pulled into

24:45

a gas station and I kind of

24:47

looked over, I did a double take

24:49

with this awesome physique. And it was

24:51

Kerry. And he is wearing his boots

24:53

and his ring gear. And it's before

24:55

he lost his foot. And he was

24:58

out there gassing up his car and

25:00

Justice Trunks and his wrestling with something.

25:02

And what the fuck is wrong with

25:04

this guy? You talk about living a

25:06

gimmick. Oh yeah. I can imagine. I

25:09

can imagine. That's a good story though.

25:11

Why do you think? What do

25:14

you think happened to those guys?

25:16

I never thought in the main

25:18

years that Kevin would be the

25:20

last one left. I know, I

25:22

know. I don't know. I don't

25:24

know if it was, after David

25:26

died, trying to live up to

25:28

a standard that they couldn't live

25:30

up to, you know how they

25:32

always talk about the Kennedy curse,

25:34

you know, on the Von Eric

25:36

curse. I don't know if it's

25:39

something that they were always trying

25:41

to live up to, live up

25:43

to David's standards, because David was

25:45

like the heir apparent was going

25:47

to take over everything. And that's

25:49

what I think. I mean, I

25:51

don't, I don't know for sure,

25:53

but I think that's what it

25:55

was. From a work standpoint, everybody

25:57

considered him world champion material. And

25:59

I always thought Kerry had that

26:02

look and of course. did too.

26:04

They're almost neck and neck and

26:06

neck, but carry, probably a little

26:08

bit higher. Just his, his charisma.

26:10

Oh yeah, his charisma. He was

26:12

a superstar. I mean, he looked

26:14

like a superstar. If you would

26:16

see, not in wrestling boots and

26:18

not in wrestling gear, walking down,

26:20

you know, in an airport or

26:22

somewhere, you would look at him

26:24

and say, he's a superstar, because

26:27

he just had that look to

26:29

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you? Do you? Do you? Hey,

30:04

let's go to UWSF. I gotta ask

30:07

you about working for Bill Watch. How

30:09

was going from working for Frishmont, Eric?

30:11

And that Dallas area where everybody was

30:14

kind of taking care of you and

30:16

sharing knowledge with you and they bring

30:18

you up. It would give you like

30:20

your booking sheet and your check and

30:23

then they'd have to give you directions,

30:25

you know, with your booking sheet. I

30:27

mean, everything, it was just, they took

30:30

good care of you there. and then

30:32

go to UWF and it was just

30:34

kind of like find your own way.

30:36

Well you go back to the Dallasine

30:39

because you know I was coming in

30:41

at 89 and that organ part of

30:43

the organization that you know was still

30:46

there and there you get a booking

30:48

sheet but it was like eight by

30:50

ten you know office I mean like

30:52

office paper And it'd be a little

30:55

grid. It was like a weekly grid.

30:57

I don't even know if that's monthly

30:59

and because I didn't know. And they

31:02

had the list of towns and they

31:04

said if you're on the card or

31:06

not, and you're like, oh wow, I'm

31:08

not on that card. I wonder what's

31:11

wrong. And so here's a question for,

31:13

I'll only ask you one money question.

31:15

When I broke in Dallas, Texas. My

31:18

first match was with Frogman La Blank.

31:20

It was in the sportitorium. It was

31:22

a television match and I had no

31:24

business being on TV because I was

31:27

greener and shit. And so I wrestled

31:29

Frog Man La Blank and I beat

31:31

him with the flying clothesline. And when

31:34

I went to Chris's office that went

31:36

upstairs and Chris had trained me, of

31:38

course so, you know, I was representing

31:40

the school. And all of a sudden

31:43

here comes Frogman, it's me, him and

31:45

Chris and they're talking, he goes, I

31:47

think Steve, I think you'll win with

31:50

it like a flying clothesline. That's my

31:52

shitty English impression because I got a

31:54

bad, my throat is killing me right

31:56

now because I can't talk. So anyway,

31:59

I got there and I won the

32:01

match with the flying clothesline. Tony Falk

32:03

was a referee. God bless him. my

32:06

check like one or two weeks later

32:08

and I'm like man $40. I didn't

32:10

very much money for being on TV.

32:12

And then I talked to Jared when

32:15

he bought the territory from Fritz von

32:17

Eck and it became the USWA almost

32:19

immediately if it wasn't already. You was

32:22

only paying the guys what $50 or

32:24

$75? Not me. I was making Missy,

32:26

I was making $15 and $20 a

32:28

night. And you know that territory over

32:31

there. There's not a round trip that's

32:33

under 260 miles. Exactly. Just to Nashville,

32:35

it's 400 miles round trip. So I

32:38

was making $15 to $20 a night.

32:40

So when you first started off in

32:42

the business, just a house show, what

32:44

were you making? Well, my first chat,

32:47

I still have my first check. It

32:49

was $50. $50. $50 for a shot

32:51

or a week. For one shot, one

32:54

shot. My first time when I came

32:56

out to hit Sunshine with the purse,

32:58

it was $50. But I was making

33:00

in world class, I was making probably

33:03

between like $100 and $175 a night.

33:05

That's damn good money back in the

33:07

day. Yeah. And that was great money

33:10

for 1985. You know Johnny was making

33:12

more than me so we were we

33:14

thought we were you know great and

33:16

then when I went to when I

33:19

went to UWS then we got the

33:21

contract I was got my first contract

33:23

and that was for $50,000 a year.

33:26

Are you kidding me? Yeah when I

33:28

went to UWS. Jesus Christ that's awesome

33:30

money for yeah that was great but

33:32

then Bill Watts would if you did

33:35

anything he would take he would find

33:37

you and take it out of you

33:39

and you would never before before we

33:42

got the contract it seems like we

33:44

were making more money because he was

33:46

paying us on the house and like

33:48

one of the houses were up and

33:51

me and our journey and I you

33:53

know and I ended up getting like

33:55

a $400 paycheck for like Jackson Mississippi

33:58

and then once I signed a contract

34:00

to make the $50,000 then it was

34:02

like $187.50 a night, you know, like

34:04

he broke it down. And it was

34:07

like, and you never would make over

34:09

that. That wily veteran. Because here's the

34:11

thing, here's what I'm thinking. Okay, hey,

34:14

you know, I can either pay you

34:16

like we're paying you now or I

34:18

can guarantee you $50,000 a year and

34:20

you'll sign a contract. Is that what

34:23

he said? Yeah. So it sounds good

34:25

when all of a sudden you hear

34:27

the lump sum and this is 85

34:30

50 geez. This was 86. But you

34:32

know, and then so and all I'm

34:34

saying is you get that guaranteed money

34:36

and you're a wrestler or a valet

34:39

or personality and you're making 50 geez,

34:41

that's a shit pile of money. Yeah,

34:43

I mean, I thought it was great.

34:46

I couldn't believe it. I mean, I

34:48

bought my first car without my daddy's

34:50

help. you know, co-signing for me, because

34:52

I walked in there with the money

34:55

and bought me my 300 ZX turbo,

34:57

you know, and thought I was, I

34:59

was the hot, hot thing, you know,

35:02

going around. Hey, talk to me about

35:04

the, uh, the traveling down there in

35:06

the UWF, because the mid-south, I was

35:09

referred to as mid-south, but that was

35:11

a territory known for a ship hollow

35:13

wheel clamp. They, I think, I think

35:15

whoever booked the towns would sit there

35:18

with a big map and just throw

35:20

darts and say, okay, they're going to

35:22

be in Jackson one night, then they're

35:25

going to be in Houston, then they'll

35:27

be in Tulsa, then we'll have them

35:29

go down to Baton Rouge, you know,

35:31

and then to Dallas. I mean, it

35:34

was, it was long trips, long trips.

35:36

So were you, were you traveling at

35:38

that time with Eddie? Well, no, I

35:41

was traveling with Johnny at first. You

35:43

know, me and Johnny were together and

35:45

we used to travel with one main

35:47

gang as a matter of fact. I

35:50

love traveling because his wife would cook

35:52

sandwiches, sandwiches is what he called, and

35:54

sandwiches for us. And we used to

35:57

ride with one man gang a lot

35:59

of the time. And that was great.

36:01

That was some fun time. but yeah,

36:03

we used to just reset the travel.

36:06

I mean, we'd fly a little bit,

36:08

like he would give you a voucher

36:10

or $180 to flight to get to

36:13

Tulsa for the TV taping every two

36:15

weeks where, you know, out of Baton

36:17

Rouge or wherever, and you could do

36:19

that or you just take the money

36:22

and drive it. You know, so what

36:24

did you think about life on the

36:26

road? Because this is, you're talking 86,

36:29

right? Yeah, 86, 87. You've been a

36:31

year, you're and a half, two years

36:33

in the business. And, well, Jesus Christ,

36:35

here's the thing. You started when you're

36:38

21, so now you're 23. And you're

36:40

still a pup. So this has got

36:42

to be just like all funny games.

36:45

Yeah, to me it was all fun

36:47

and games until Dark Journey kicked my

36:49

ass every night. How did Dark Journey

36:51

get introduced back in a day? Because

36:54

as I was a fan of the

36:56

feud, I forgot her introduction and her

36:58

liaison or her relationship with Dickie Slater.

37:01

Yeah, she had a relationship with Dickie

37:03

Slater and Dickie brought her in and

37:05

then she ended up staying and Dickie

37:07

left. And so then they had her

37:10

manage missing length. Yeah, to go up

37:12

against me. Okay, now as you were

37:14

feuding with Sunshine, she was taking you

37:17

under her wing. Y'all had great chemistry

37:19

and now you go into UWF and

37:21

it's dark journey and she's a pretty

37:23

tough lady. Oh my god, let me

37:26

tell you, she beat my ass every

37:28

single night. I would go out because

37:30

I could never, because I was always

37:33

told, don't ever cry in the dressing

37:35

room. Don't ever let him see you

37:37

cry. So I used to go. Johnny.

37:39

Johnny and Michael Hayes. Michael Hayes, we

37:42

used to travel with Michael. Good for

37:44

one one. Yeah. Yeah. So they told

37:46

me never let him see you cry.

37:49

And I used to go out and

37:51

just cry. get in the car and

37:53

just cry because my knees hurt. I

37:55

mean she broke my thumb, she busted

37:58

my, I mean my nose, I mean

38:00

she would just, she would hear the

38:02

crowd screaming, you know, because it had

38:05

so much heat and screaming, and she

38:07

would just pound the living crap out

38:09

of me and I'll never forget call

38:11

Fergie with laughing because my hair's going

38:14

on, because I had a bald spot

38:16

in the back of my head from

38:18

her like pulling my hair out. and

38:21

everything and like the boys used to

38:23

come out to watch us because they

38:25

like the bitches are gonna fight you're

38:27

gonna watch because they're gonna fight you

38:30

know and I tried so many times

38:32

going over to Jake's dad grizzly yeah

38:34

grizzly's house and trying to show her

38:37

look when when when when you grab

38:39

me by my hair I'm gonna grab

38:41

your wrists now let me show you

38:43

what to do and Shit, it didn't

38:46

matter. And we would do like, and

38:48

back then, because the TV taping was

38:50

every two weeks, we would do the

38:53

same match in the towns around. And

38:55

so we'd have the same finish and

38:57

the same match. We'd have one thing

38:59

like, okay, I pull a leg, she

39:02

chases me around, two ring posts, I

39:04

roll then, she rolls in, she doesn't

39:06

get a hold of me. She almost

39:09

gets me and I roll out. Every

39:11

night she screwed it up. I wouldn't

39:13

pull a leg, she'd just start chasing

39:15

me out of nowhere. Or either I'd

39:18

pull the leg, she wouldn't chase me.

39:20

Or either I'd roll in, she'd roll

39:22

in and beat my ass. And then

39:25

John would have to pull me out.

39:27

I mean, it was like, I don't

39:29

understand this girl. What does she not

39:31

get? Because, I mean, they used to

39:34

come to me and they would just

39:36

say, okay, this is what you're going

39:38

to do, blah, blah, blah, blah, and

39:41

they'd walk away and then you'd have

39:43

to know. I mean, you couldn't just

39:45

go out there, you know, you'd have

39:47

to know what you'd have to know,

39:50

you'd have to know what you're finishing,

39:52

and know what the finishes, and you

39:54

got to know. to go up on,

39:57

when to go on Q, when to

39:59

do stuff. And this is before, this

40:01

is back in the UWF now, the

40:03

heels and bases weren't separate dressing rooms.

40:06

And so you had the referees running

40:08

back and forth talking and they used

40:10

to talk in the ring. You know,

40:13

you were told that, you know, Ken

40:15

would come to you and give you

40:17

a finish and that's it. I mean,

40:19

he'd give you the finish and walk

40:22

out of the room and you'd have

40:24

to have that, you'd have to know

40:26

what you're doing when you go out

40:29

there. And I don't understand that girl.

40:31

She just would screw it up almost

40:33

every night. And it was just like,

40:35

she beat me. But how was that,

40:38

how was that, I want to get

40:40

back to Dark Journey, how was that,

40:42

you know, when your green is grass,

40:45

or you know, when you came in

40:47

Dallas, so there's kind of a common

40:49

area, but like you said in UWS,

40:51

just like Nashville Fairgrounds, Baby Face Hills,

40:54

totally different sides of the building, you

40:56

cannot talk, it's referee, you say, hey,

40:58

he's going to catch this on you,

41:01

and go about eight or ten minutes

41:03

or whatever. So they're relaying to you.

41:05

If you don't have a good set

41:07

of ears or somewhere with all the

41:10

process information, you know, you're going to

41:12

you're going to fuck this thing up

41:14

and you're talking about big money riding

41:17

on a hot angle, which is putting

41:19

asses in the seats and all of

41:21

a sudden, whether you work for Bill

41:23

Watts, Frish Vine Eric, you're working for

41:26

promoter who expects you to be professional

41:28

enough, knowledgeable enough to carry out the

41:30

angle at hand. Oh yeah, definitely. And

41:33

many of times Bill Watts would come

41:35

in and scream. and like we'd sit

41:37

there like little kids like this with

41:39

our heads down because we're like he's

41:42

screaming you know and it's just like

41:44

you know and we all got it

41:46

we all got here's the thing Bill

41:49

Watts was an intimidating man he's a

41:51

big guy he was the boss he

41:53

was super smart he had eyes behind

41:55

his head and so you know of

41:58

a sudden he's talking to you it's

42:00

like this voice of god but it's

42:02

exactly so was dark journey what was

42:05

when you tied up was she shooting

42:07

or was this was she just snug

42:09

as fuck no she was shooting on

42:11

me she was shooting on me so

42:14

did you never cuz smarten her up

42:16

saying And then Eddie tried to teach

42:18

me how to get a sugar hold

42:21

on her and she was just too

42:23

and I couldn't ever get one on

42:25

her and I tried so many times.

42:27

Okay stop. Explain to my audience what

42:30

a sugar hold is because I know

42:32

but I'm laughing because I don't I

42:34

don't pitch you with a sugar hold.

42:37

Okay, well a sugar hole is just

42:39

when you get someone where they can't

42:42

move. Yeah, it's a front face lock.

42:44

Yeah, and you get them on the,

42:46

and you get their head on the

42:48

mat, so their face first down on

42:50

the mat. You can control the person,

42:52

that's what us your new home is.

42:54

Long story short, I want to, I

42:56

don't want to go to an MMA

42:58

thesis or. branch out but a sugar

43:00

holder rest was yeah quite simply a

43:02

hold where you just settle a motherfucker

43:04

down you know if they're working too

43:06

rough with you come to Jesus hey

43:08

slow down slow down I could never

43:10

get it on her I tried it

43:12

I'm too much of a girly girl

43:14

I could never get it on her

43:17

Hey, you're staying UWF. Jim Ross

43:19

was the color commentator or the

43:21

main announcer. And Jim was one

43:24

of my favorite announcements of all

43:26

time. I think as much as,

43:28

and you grew up down in

43:30

Florida, so, you know, Gordon solely

43:32

is God. But man, Jim Ross,

43:34

man, when he was a voice

43:36

down there for Watts and when

43:38

he went to W.C. W. and

43:41

then W.W.F. I just thought it

43:43

was the greatest of all time.

43:45

Did he ever help you or

43:47

drop any knowledge on you because

43:49

he was a wealth of information

43:51

because he'd been in a business

43:53

for so damn long? Not in

43:56

UWSF. It wasn't until I got

43:58

to W CW that he really

44:00

helped me out when I used

44:02

to work with him hosting the

44:04

shows. That's. he really helped me

44:06

out. But in UWF, he hardly

44:08

never, never really spoke to me

44:10

that much. How different was the

44:13

lock room in UWF than a

44:15

world-class championship wrestling? Because y'all had

44:17

really a who's who of people

44:19

that were there legitimate tough guys,

44:21

whatever, I don't know, whatever Hall

44:23

of Fame you put them in

44:25

because there's so many and maybe

44:27

whatever. Future Hall of Famer's with,

44:30

you know, the Steiner, Sting, Warrior,

44:32

Murdoch, Dickie, Slater, you know, everybody

44:34

that was there was damn your

44:36

Hall of Famer. Right, oh yeah.

44:38

So what was the attitude? What

44:40

was the difference between UWF and

44:42

Dallas? Well, to me it was

44:44

just more people, to me, it

44:47

was, to me it was the

44:49

same, but it was just more

44:51

people and it was like we

44:53

were up a little bit level.

44:55

You know, like we were in

44:57

world class, we were down here,

44:59

but we moved up a level,

45:01

moved up a notch. Was that

45:04

the perception that UWSF was an

45:06

upgrade for more class? Yeah, I

45:08

mean, that's what we felt like.

45:10

I mean, because, I mean, going

45:12

out there in front of the

45:14

Tulsa Civic Center that was sold

45:16

out every two weeks and going

45:19

to Jack's, I mean, the houses

45:21

were just so much bigger, you

45:23

know, and it was just like,

45:25

it was in being in being

45:27

in the Super Bowl the Super

45:29

Bowl. and places like that, New

45:31

Orleans, I mean, it was just

45:33

a lot more people, came. So

45:36

it just seemed more, it just

45:38

seemed more like we were a

45:40

step up. What were your thoughts

45:42

when, uh, Jesus Christ, was the

45:44

blade runners? Were they the blade

45:46

runners there? No, they weren't the

45:48

blade runners there. They were the

45:50

blade runners, I guess, maybe before

45:53

I got there. Okay, okay. Yeah.

45:55

Okay. So did, uh, at this,

45:57

at this point, not to go

45:59

over your chronology of dating, but

46:01

is Gilbert in the territory at

46:03

this time? Yes, yes. Okay, now,

46:05

did Bill and Trust him with

46:07

the booking? No, but he, he,

46:10

him and Hill was, he was

46:12

the doing the booking and Eddie

46:14

would help out. Eddie would do

46:16

his stuff, you know, and help

46:18

out. It wasn't until later, until

46:20

the end, before he sold a

46:22

crock at that Eddie was doing

46:24

the booking. So then Eddie was

46:27

booking for Crocket. No, Eddie was

46:29

booking for Bill Watts. After he

46:31

sold the Crockett. Right before he

46:33

sold the Crockett. Okay, okay. Right

46:35

before. What was, what was, what

46:37

were your thoughts on Eddie Gilbert's

46:39

take on the business? Because he

46:42

was considered by many to be

46:44

a really smart guy. He was

46:46

really a smart guy and he

46:48

loved the business and he had

46:50

been booking since he was a

46:52

kid. I mean his mom has

46:54

no books of him writing out

46:56

story lines. and writing out who

46:59

versus who and we're talking at

47:01

a young age too you know

47:03

growing up watching that Memphis wrestling

47:05

and he would and he would

47:07

he would take the Memphis show

47:09

and then he'd rewrite it how

47:11

he how he saw it and

47:13

his characters and everything so he

47:16

he was really smart he was

47:18

really smart it's a shame that

47:20

he's not around I know I

47:22

know there's so many of you

47:25

Oh my gosh, my highlight

47:27

of my stay. Okay, this,

47:29

once a year they have

47:32

the Tulsa Fair. And so

47:34

we wrestled at the Tulsa

47:37

Fair. They put me in

47:39

a dunking machine. And

47:43

I got to be rude to people

47:45

and have them dunk me. So you

47:47

just saw people a sudden to get

47:49

them to pay their five bucks to

47:52

throw three gimmicks. I just switched into

47:54

water. You dunked me and I was

47:56

wearing a nice dress and everything and

47:58

I got dunked a bunch of times.

48:00

And I had the best time doing

48:03

that. you know, what can they do?

48:05

I'm buying the screen thing. You know,

48:07

I'm calling them gibronies. They don't even

48:09

know what it is. Yeah. That was

48:12

probably one of the highlights. I didn't

48:14

think that you getting docked at a

48:16

state fair and Tulsa would be the

48:18

highlight of your state, you'd have done

48:20

that. How did you get to call

48:23

up to W.W. W. Well, we were,

48:25

Eddie and I were in. Continental. He

48:27

was booking Continental. And so Eddie called.

48:29

Where was Continental based out of? Alabama.

48:32

But what down? Montgomery. Okay. Yeah. There's

48:34

a great territory for a while. Yeah.

48:36

Eddie booked. I mean, he he I

48:38

mean, they were running nothing and then

48:40

Eddie came in and started running and

48:43

they they got it up really good.

48:45

It was good for about a year.

48:47

You know, it was going really good.

48:49

But then David Woods, the guy that

48:52

owns it, wasn't a wrestling guy and

48:54

he wanted to change things and do

48:56

things and stuff like that. So when

48:58

we found out once Crockett, you know,

49:00

got sold to TBS, you know, Eddie

49:03

called, Eddie called Dusty and Dusty had

49:05

us come over there and we got

49:07

a job then. Okay, now tell me

49:09

about what year was that because I

49:12

went... 89. 89. 89. Yeah, because I

49:14

got there in... 91. Golly, you know

49:16

my career about it and I did.

49:18

I got there in 91. Here was

49:20

the deal. They told me this. I

49:23

went to see Dusty. He had the

49:25

book, as you know. And so he

49:27

goes, yeah, baby. He goes, yeah, baby.

49:29

With you, Wesleyan name. I said, well,

49:32

I'm going to stunning Steve right now.

49:34

He goes, you were going to heal

49:36

the baby. You were going to heal

49:38

the baby. He'll a baby. He'll a

49:40

baby. He's asking him. He's asking him.

49:43

He's asking me. He's asking me. He's

49:45

asking me. Well, Dusty, I'm working on

49:47

Hill and he goes, all right, you

49:49

know, he told me what the deal

49:52

was. The deal was back then when

49:54

I came in, Missy, was when you

49:56

walked through the doors in W.C.W. you

49:58

signed the contract at that time for

50:00

75 grand a year. Then the next

50:03

year, it would double to 156 or

50:05

some guys got the 104 deal. guys

50:07

it doubled 156 and then after that

50:09

you were on your on your own

50:12

as far as negotiating whatever happened after

50:14

that so all of a sudden I

50:16

went from making at the time I

50:18

had about a hundred dollar a night

50:20

guarantee from Jerry Jared in the USWA

50:23

up from the 15 and 20 this

50:25

is my second tour back And all

50:27

of a sudden I go into W.C.W.

50:29

I'm making 75 G's a year. So

50:32

when y'all go in, what's the money

50:34

situation? Was that another guaranteed contract like

50:36

I just put out? That was another

50:38

guarantee contract. It was 75. It was

50:40

just a basic 75. But they, um,

50:43

they want to give, they, they really,

50:45

it was, it was a deal thing.

50:47

It was 150 for both of us.

50:49

Oh, that's a pretty good package deal.

50:52

Yeah, that was like a package thing.

50:54

So that's how they did it when

50:56

we when we first started. But then,

50:58

you know, me and Eddie ended up

51:00

breaking up and then I had to

51:03

go on my own. And that was

51:05

a whole other long trying to negotiate

51:07

and never I never really made that

51:09

much money in W. C. W. So

51:12

how long did you do it? How

51:14

long did you understand there? Five years.

51:16

That's a pretty good stay. Yeah. And

51:18

I would have stayed longer. But you

51:20

know, things happen. So when you break

51:23

up with Eddie, he was still in

51:25

territory, right? Yeah, for a little bit,

51:27

for a little bit, if you left.

51:29

So then who were you traveling with,

51:32

you know, those last few years? I

51:34

didn't, well, I didn't travel with anybody.

51:36

I traveled by myself. I really went

51:38

by myself because I was, I was,

51:41

First I was managing and then I

51:43

was hosting the show. Me and Eddie

51:45

broke up, I was hosting the show,

51:47

so I traveled by myself. I didn't

51:50

go, you know, I would have my

51:52

own rent a car, I'd fly to

51:54

the, you know, place myself. I mean,

51:56

and then Jason, the guy I was

51:58

dating, he would be with me a

52:00

lot of the times. he would, that's

52:02

who I was traveling with. And then

52:04

when we broke up, then I was

52:07

still back by myself traveling. But then

52:09

I didn't, and see, I never wanted

52:11

to go back managing again. And that's

52:13

another, that's a question I wanted to

52:15

ask you too, because you and Brian

52:17

in 93, when you were with Brian,

52:19

that whole time for those worldwide takings

52:21

recording me as your manager, where was

52:24

that ever gonna go? I

52:26

don't know. I don't know. I guess

52:28

somebody pitched me that idea or pitched

52:30

us that idea. You know, Brian thought

52:33

of a lot of the stuff for

52:35

us. You know, he always thought about

52:37

the goal change, the matching trunks, the

52:40

vest. Yeah. Because see, I was, I

52:42

went to, I went to Dusty. I

52:44

go, why am I managing the nasty

52:46

boys? I go, I don't want to

52:49

manage them. I go, I should manage

52:51

the Hollywood blondes. That would be more.

52:53

me that would be more my character

52:55

than the nasty boys whatever but the

52:58

thing is is that after Jason and

53:00

I broke up Jason was good friends

53:02

with Bishoff and Jason knew that I

53:04

didn't want to be a manager that

53:07

I loved hosting the show so that's

53:09

why I was back as a manager

53:11

and then that's why I didn't get

53:13

my contract renewed because because of Jason

53:16

You know, I mean it took me

53:18

10 years to figure, so many 10

53:20

years at about $60,000 at Merrimount Manhattan

53:22

College and psychology to figure out that

53:25

one. Hey I don't know if you're

53:27

a member or not, I think I

53:29

have it correctly. When I made my

53:31

debut in W. If I'm not mistaken,

53:34

I thought it was. Was it Fayetteville,

53:36

North Carolina? A lot of things happen

53:38

to Fayetteville are probably, it might have

53:40

been center stage even. No, it was,

53:43

I think it was, you interviewed me.

53:45

Yeah, I interviewed you and who was

53:47

the girl, who is that, whose I

53:49

do, was it to bring bacious Veronica

53:52

in? Dusty roads. It was the dustier

53:54

magnum. They just figured, hey man, I

53:56

needed a, uh, a, a, uh, a,

53:58

a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

54:01

a, with me, a manager, be respectful,

54:03

I don't mean that in a bad

54:05

way, they just pictured me with a

54:07

manager and I wasn't quite as talkative

54:10

as I would end up being a

54:12

stone gold. But I just remember that

54:14

first interview, I went out there and

54:16

I'm walking to the ring. Of course

54:19

I'm nervous as hell, man, this is

54:21

W.C. W. This is almost a big

54:23

leaks because W. W.E. or W.F. at

54:25

the time was still the big. Right.

54:28

I'm walking out there and I hear

54:30

this from Hollywood California weighing 252 pounds

54:32

and I'm waiting, I'm sitting there, as

54:34

I'm walking to the ring where you're

54:37

standing, I'm saying to myself, who the

54:39

fuck ain't talking about? Am I going

54:41

to the wrong ring? I'm from Hollywood.

54:43

And they said, studying Steve Austin, I

54:46

think it was Gary Michael Capetta. And

54:48

I was like, what the fuck? How

54:50

did they decide I was going to

54:52

be from Hollywood California arbitrarily without asking

54:55

me a God-dam thing? And here's the

54:57

thing Missy, I went out there, I

54:59

don't remember too much of the interview,

55:01

but I went back and I had

55:04

a damn bugger right on the inside

55:06

edge of my nose. And I was

55:08

so embarrassed, I just went on national

55:10

slash worldwide TV with a bear in

55:13

the cave. And

55:16

not one single motherfucker could smarten

55:18

me up and say, hey dude,

55:20

before you go make your debut

55:22

on national television, pull that burger

55:24

out of your nose. Yeah, I'm

55:26

sorry. I didn't see it around.

55:28

I would have told you if

55:31

I would have seen it. I

55:33

would have been a great moment

55:35

if you'd have just stopped it

55:37

right there in the middle of

55:39

the interview. So

55:41

what was the end of your run

55:44

in W.C.W? What happened there? That's what

55:46

it was. They came to me and

55:48

told me I had another contract coming,

55:51

but then something happened. We were down

55:53

there at doing the TV taping stand.

55:55

Yeah, in Orlando. And I forget exactly

55:57

what happened. Oh, I remember the clash

56:00

of the champions. We used to have

56:02

the clash of the champions right before

56:04

the pay-per-view. And so on the clash

56:07

of the champions, it was the nasty

56:09

boys with their titles up against Mick

56:11

Foley, another crazy-looking guy. Mick Foley, I

56:14

forget who it was. Anyway, so they

56:16

screwed up at the clash and they

56:18

didn't get the timing right. and so

56:21

they didn't get the one two they

56:23

were supposed to get the one two

56:25

three after the ten minute time limit

56:27

was up and so they didn't see

56:30

that on TV the people at home

56:32

saw that but the people at home

56:34

didn't see that but on the replay

56:37

they showed I run in the ring

56:39

and I get kissed by the two

56:41

got by McFoli and the other guy

56:44

and I'm spitting and being nasty nasty

56:46

nasty nasty and so I remember it

56:48

was not Jim heard. It was Kip

56:51

Fry or one of those. Bob do

56:53

Kip Fry, whatever. Yeah, Bob, it was

56:55

Bob. He asked me, how did the

56:57

clash go? And I told him, I

57:00

said, well, I go, I go, you're

57:02

trying to sell the net, the paper

57:04

view is that it's a no time

57:07

limit match and that the guys won

57:09

on the clash. But they didn't see

57:11

it at home. They didn't see the

57:14

one, two, three, and at the time

57:16

limit. I go, instead of on the

57:18

replay, the replay getting, seeing the blonde

57:21

girl get kissed by the ugly guys,

57:23

shouldn't they have shown the replay of

57:25

they got the one, two, three, and

57:27

then the referee saying, no, the time

57:30

limits are already out? And so he

57:32

said, yeah, you're right. They should have

57:34

done that. Well. I was rollerblading that

57:37

night around the thing and Eric Bischoff

57:39

came up to me and he's like,

57:41

don't you ever go over my head

57:44

again? And I'm like, what do you

57:46

mean? And he's like, you went over

57:48

my head and you told him something,

57:51

something, you know, about the clash of

57:53

the champions. I'm like, they just asked

57:55

my opinion and I gave him my

57:57

opinion. That's all. And then the next

58:00

day I was told not to get

58:02

on the bus. And then I found

58:04

out later that I didn't have a,

58:07

that my contract wasn't getting renewed. And

58:09

that was it. No shit. Yeah, that

58:11

was it. But I know, and I

58:14

know it's spent, because Jason and Bischoff

58:16

are really good friends, and I know

58:18

that, you know, I know how guys

58:21

are and I know how girls are.

58:23

It's the same thing with girls, but

58:25

I do have to say that if

58:27

it wouldn't have happened, I never would

58:30

have gotten to move to New York

58:32

City. Really? And I never would have

58:34

gone to college and I and I

58:37

think that's was the best because if

58:39

you can make it New York, you

58:41

can make it anywhere. That's true. And

58:44

I'll always say if you can get

58:46

over in front of a New York

58:48

crowd, you can get over anywhere when

58:51

it. That happens at

58:53

class of champions. All of a sudden,

58:55

you don't have a contract. You're out

58:57

of business. So how did you process

58:59

this? Because I got a FedEx in

59:01

the mail after I got a phone

59:03

call from Janey, Engel, letting me know

59:06

that I got fired. And so that

59:08

was it for me. And then, you

59:10

know, luckily enough, Paul Ecom and I

59:12

went to ECW. You're all the business?

59:14

Because you basically got a door slammed

59:16

in your face. Were you angry? Did

59:18

you feel best treated? I had my

59:20

feelings hurt. My feelings hurt. I cried.

59:23

I'm a girl. I cried. You know,

59:25

and I was like, what am I

59:27

going to do now? What am I

59:29

going to do now? And then I

59:31

started thinking, well, I'm going to move

59:33

to New York City. What about the

59:35

brief stay in W. W.E. happened in

59:37

1988. Oh, is that's, I'm way on

59:40

the time here. Yeah, that was back

59:42

in 1988. What happened there? It seems

59:44

to me you would be tailor-made for

59:46

W.F. Oh my God, yeah, I thought

59:48

so too. But let me tell you,

59:50

I was so green. They wanted me

59:52

to do, they wanted me to take

59:54

over Piper's pit and they had me

59:57

scripted and I went out there and

59:59

I did it and they had me

1:00:01

be a baby face and it was

1:00:03

so horrible. If you sell the tapes

1:00:05

of the, I miss these manners. you

1:00:07

would want to die plus my southern

1:00:09

accent was so bad it was just

1:00:12

like hey y'all how y'all how y'all

1:00:14

doing out there I mean it was

1:00:16

just it was I went back I

1:00:18

went back and before we talked I

1:00:20

watched some of those and I was

1:00:22

like wow missy's so much better than

1:00:24

this because you are and because I

1:00:26

know you and we've always talked and

1:00:29

you've always done great promos when you

1:00:31

have a promo to do so I

1:00:33

could tell that you were heavily scripted,

1:00:35

and like you said, you were green,

1:00:37

but you weren't comfortable being... They just

1:00:39

said, hey, here's our main points. Go

1:00:41

do your thing. Yeah, I mean, and

1:00:43

I asked him, and I begged him,

1:00:46

and I begged him, I said, let

1:00:48

me go out there and be Missy

1:00:50

Hyatt, and be me, and let me

1:00:52

interview these guys the way I want

1:00:54

to interview him. I didn't even know

1:00:56

on one of them to hand the

1:00:58

microphone over. Yeah, it was a couple

1:01:00

of awkward things there. Because I had

1:01:03

never done the microphone thing, but I

1:01:05

went and called Eddie, and Eddie said,

1:01:07

no, don't do that, come home, Dusty

1:01:09

will give you a job. And so

1:01:11

I did. I told Vince, no, I

1:01:13

can't do it. And that was probably

1:01:15

the stupidest thing I ever did in

1:01:17

my life. Why? Because if I would

1:01:20

have stayed, who knows? Because I mean

1:01:22

I'll never forget when I first met

1:01:24

Jim Crockett, Jim Crockett just bought UW

1:01:26

up and I was born to W.W.E.

1:01:28

And I walked up to Jim Crockett

1:01:30

and I go, hi I'm Missy Hyatt,

1:01:32

I want out on my contract, I'm

1:01:34

going to the W.W.E. and I'm going

1:01:37

to get me a doll. And he

1:01:39

was like, okay, we'll let you out

1:01:41

of your contract. I said, okay, thank

1:01:43

you. Oh, you're gonna we're gonna you're

1:01:45

gonna take over Piper's pit and I

1:01:47

did all these promos about how it's

1:01:49

how it's taking a woman to take

1:01:52

a man's job, you know, for Piper's

1:01:54

pit. I did these promos like that.

1:01:56

I mean, and Vince had me, had

1:01:58

me, you're never gonna be able to

1:02:00

go to the grocery store alone, you're

1:02:02

gonna have to have security, you're gonna

1:02:04

be a superstar, you know how Vince

1:02:06

talks, you know how it is. What

1:02:09

was the difference in that territory versus

1:02:11

all the ones that you've been? Because

1:02:13

New York is different than anybody else

1:02:15

in my opinion. So, I mean, and

1:02:17

I had my, and I stayed away

1:02:19

from everybody. I mean, I had like

1:02:21

my own dressing room and I was

1:02:23

like, and I met, and the first

1:02:26

time I met Hall Cogan, it was

1:02:28

funny, he's like, so I heard you're

1:02:30

here to take my spot. And I'm

1:02:32

like, no, your chest is still bigger

1:02:34

than mine. Yeah. And you like that.

1:02:36

So, he's always been very nice to

1:02:38

me since. So, so you're there for

1:02:40

a cup of coffee. Did it feel

1:02:43

good to go back to go back

1:02:45

to go back to the South? Yeah,

1:02:47

but I felt like I had a

1:02:49

tail between my legs because I was

1:02:51

like thinking that I was going to

1:02:53

be a come big superstar and I

1:02:55

had to go back to Dusty and

1:02:57

I had to go back with my

1:03:00

tail between my legs and go back

1:03:02

to Jim Crock and go. Hi, can

1:03:04

I have a job back, please? That's

1:03:06

so hard to do, but you know,

1:03:08

sometimes as like a guy in the

1:03:10

ring, sometimes you can go out there

1:03:12

and you know, maybe five, six years

1:03:15

in business, maybe seven, or you know,

1:03:17

three, wherever you're at, and all of

1:03:19

a sudden you're thinking, hey man, I

1:03:21

got this, I'm pretty fucking good, you

1:03:23

know, you've got to have confidence in

1:03:25

yourself, or if you don't know one's

1:03:27

going to believe in you. and all

1:03:29

of a sudden you go out there

1:03:32

and you shit the bad or something

1:03:34

happens you blow an angle or fuck

1:03:36

something up you're like you know maybe

1:03:38

I'm not as good as I thought

1:03:40

I was and so it's yeah the

1:03:42

business the business has many steps along

1:03:44

the way that will humble you make

1:03:46

you rethink things and reset you because

1:03:49

you get out a little bit of

1:03:51

confidence all of a sudden it's like

1:03:53

okay I'm not as good as I

1:03:55

thought I thought I was I need

1:03:57

to get my shit down a little

1:03:59

bit better after I left W.C.W. that

1:04:01

W.W.E. never called. Like I thought for

1:04:03

sure they would have called just because,

1:04:06

you know, I was still damn good

1:04:08

at what I was doing and I

1:04:10

was still young. You know, I was

1:04:12

30. I wasn't, I wasn't an old

1:04:14

had yet, you know. No, you had

1:04:16

nine years in the business, you were

1:04:18

a veteran and you were just coming

1:04:20

into your prime. And

1:04:23

you're smart too because like you

1:04:25

said, you wanted them to call

1:04:27

you. You know the deal. You

1:04:29

never want to make the phone

1:04:31

call. You know, like Eddie made

1:04:33

the phone call that one time.

1:04:35

In part of your career you

1:04:37

do. But always you want them

1:04:39

to call you. Right. Yeah, and

1:04:41

they never called me. And so,

1:04:43

you know, nothing ever happened. Hey,

1:04:45

tell me about you running ECW.

1:04:47

Oh my gosh, how wild was

1:04:49

that? Because out of all the

1:04:51

dress rooms that I have been

1:04:53

in, the ones that I've heard

1:04:55

about in the mid 80s and

1:04:57

world class, when I went up

1:05:00

there in 95, you know, I'll

1:05:02

just say that there was different

1:05:04

clicks. Right after you, I was

1:05:06

right there after you. Really, is

1:05:08

that when you went in there?

1:05:10

Yeah, 96. Okay, that was the

1:05:12

damage dress room I'd ever seen,

1:05:14

I'll leave it at. Would you

1:05:16

agree? I mean,

1:05:18

beer everywhere. I mean, Sam man, being

1:05:20

so drunk that he couldn't even get

1:05:22

up to the top row. I mean,

1:05:24

just the craziness. You can never find

1:05:26

a chair. I can never find a

1:05:29

chair to sit him because they were

1:05:31

all broken. You know, in the back.

1:05:33

Yeah, that was crazy. There's a, it

1:05:35

was a great bunch of guys though,

1:05:37

because Polly, you've known Polly forever. Are

1:05:39

y'all pretty close? Yeah, I mean, if

1:05:41

it wasn't, let me tell you something,

1:05:43

Pauli better, Pauli should appreciate and love

1:05:45

me to death because when Eddie and

1:05:47

I met Pauli, Pauli had only been

1:05:49

in wrestling for like maybe six months

1:05:51

and we met him. And I told,

1:05:53

I told Eddie. you gotta hire him

1:05:55

and bring him to Alabama. And he

1:05:58

brought him to Alabama and then he

1:06:00

assisted Eddie in booking and stuff like

1:06:02

that. But I mean, if it wasn't

1:06:04

for me because Eddie wasn't sure about

1:06:06

it, Eddie didn't. I'm not going to,

1:06:08

you know, and then Paul moved from

1:06:10

New York all the way down to

1:06:12

Alabama and lived with us and are

1:06:14

apart. Are you kidding me? Yeah. See,

1:06:16

this is gold. I've never known this.

1:06:18

And of course, I've seen so much

1:06:20

footage of Polly down there in Continental

1:06:22

with the big organic cell phone. Oh

1:06:24

yeah, of that big phone. And so

1:06:27

you told Eddie, hire this guy. So

1:06:29

how was Paul Lee to live with?

1:06:31

Because I know you guys aren't making

1:06:33

shit piles of money at this time,

1:06:35

so how was that living dynamic? I

1:06:37

never went into his bedroom or his

1:06:39

bathroom. I kind of let him stay

1:06:41

in there. But one time I did

1:06:43

go in there and all I saw

1:06:45

was a bunch of white shirts and

1:06:47

baseball cards. That's the only thing I

1:06:49

saw in his room. So Pauli's a

1:06:51

baseball card collector? I guess he was.

1:06:53

I guess he was. What did you

1:06:56

see in Pauli back in a day?

1:06:58

Because, you know, when I go back

1:07:00

and look at that old stuff, and

1:07:02

you and I were talking on the

1:07:04

phone, we're not going to talk too

1:07:06

much about the current product. But when

1:07:08

you watch his promos now, the level

1:07:10

he's at right now is just, it's

1:07:12

different from a Jim Cornette who's phenomenal

1:07:14

or all your other great talkers, but

1:07:16

Paul Lee back in the day, even

1:07:18

at Continental, when he was just starting,

1:07:20

you know, he hustled his way in

1:07:23

the business. He was a silver-tongued devil

1:07:25

laying down golden promos way back as

1:07:27

a kid. Yes, yes, he was so

1:07:29

good. And that's where I first met

1:07:31

him and I met him at some,

1:07:33

we were doing something in Atlanta, so

1:07:35

I had some cow pals staying in

1:07:37

Atlanta and we met him and he

1:07:39

was down there and he just got

1:07:41

fired I think from Bern Ghanya or

1:07:43

something and he wasn't really well. he

1:07:45

was down there, and he was so

1:07:47

obnoxious, that New York obnoxious, you know,

1:07:49

doing his promos, and I just, I

1:07:52

fell in love with him. I was

1:07:54

like, oh my God, and we would

1:07:56

talk on the phone, like hours every

1:07:58

night on the phone, me and him

1:08:00

talking, you know, and I finally told

1:08:02

Eddie, Eddie, you gotta get this guy

1:08:04

to having come do. We were still

1:08:06

living in Tennessee at the time, but

1:08:08

I was like, because we were working

1:08:10

for Memphis. But I told him, I

1:08:12

was like, you've got to get this

1:08:14

guy, you've got to bring him to

1:08:16

continental, he's the best, he's going to

1:08:18

be a great manager, he's going to

1:08:21

be the bomb, you know, and so

1:08:23

Paul, I mean, so, so Eddie did.

1:08:25

So I was, when you decided to

1:08:27

move to New York to get your

1:08:29

degree, why New York? There's plenty of

1:08:31

colleges in Atlanta, there's college down in

1:08:33

Florida, why did you have to go

1:08:35

to New York? when we got on

1:08:37

pick station when UWS did and we

1:08:39

went up there and to do promos

1:08:41

and I'll never forget being in the

1:08:43

limo and going through the Lincoln Tunnel

1:08:45

and coming up in New York and

1:08:47

I had a feeling this is where

1:08:50

I belong and I just had that

1:08:52

feeling. Why do you think that was?

1:08:54

Because like man, the first time when

1:08:56

I started working for WWF, I drove

1:08:58

to the garden for two shots. And

1:09:00

you know, when you get into the

1:09:02

garden, New York's laid out in the

1:09:04

grid. It's pretty user friendly, but like

1:09:06

with the pedestrians keep walking across the

1:09:08

street when you have the green lights.

1:09:10

All the cars behind you're like, eh,

1:09:12

eh, eh, and I'm like, what the

1:09:14

fuck, man? This is what you have

1:09:16

to do and this is what I

1:09:19

do. If you have the green light,

1:09:21

you speed up and if you have

1:09:23

the yellow light and you let those

1:09:25

people take their packages and scream and

1:09:27

run because you have the right away

1:09:29

in New York. I know I get

1:09:31

it now, but this is back when

1:09:33

I'm still a country bumpkin, you know,

1:09:35

like I was seven years in the

1:09:37

business from Edna, Texas, 5,000 people and

1:09:39

all of a sudden I'm in this

1:09:41

fucking, I'm in New York City going

1:09:43

to the garden and I those people,

1:09:45

I told the office and I didn't

1:09:48

have any stroke at the time, I

1:09:50

was a ringmaster for God's sake. And

1:09:52

I said, hey man, next time you

1:09:54

guys bugged me in the garden, I

1:09:56

need a ride. And so I didn't,

1:09:58

I didn't, I didn't ride with Billy

1:10:00

Gunn, or I'd make him send a

1:10:02

car for me because I ain't driving

1:10:04

in that shit. Right, right. I just,

1:10:06

I liked it because where I lived,

1:10:08

I lived at West 75th and Riverside,

1:10:10

which is on Upper West Side. I

1:10:12

never heard any trucks, sirens, I mean

1:10:15

I was on the first floor of

1:10:17

a brownstone, I had a nice little

1:10:19

apartment, I could see Riverside Park, I

1:10:21

mean I could walk my dog, I

1:10:23

was in the city, but I could

1:10:25

go two blocks to Broadway and be

1:10:27

in the middle of everything, but then

1:10:29

I could go two blocks and just

1:10:31

be on a... to me it was

1:10:33

like a country street. How long did

1:10:35

it take you to come down from

1:10:37

New York to adjust back to life

1:10:39

in Florida because without the hustle bustle

1:10:41

at the 24 7 pizza or whatever

1:10:44

you want? You know New York is

1:10:46

24 7 anything. I'm pretty adjusted because

1:10:48

I mean I had just easy I've

1:10:50

lived so many different places I've adjusted.

1:10:52

Are you a home body now or

1:10:54

are you still out on the town?

1:10:56

body. I'm a homebody. I don't go

1:10:58

out very much. I mean, I work

1:11:00

and that's about it. And I do

1:11:02

my, I do my reenacting. That's my

1:11:04

only thing that I do that I

1:11:06

like to do is my reenacting. You

1:11:08

got any hobbies doing your downtime? Yeah,

1:11:10

that's my reenacting. Reenacting. But I mean,

1:11:13

like, are you a reader or your

1:11:15

outdoor person? Do you fish? I so,

1:11:17

I so close for my reenacting. And

1:11:19

then I, and then for my birthday,

1:11:21

I just bought me in 1936, I

1:11:23

just bought me in 1936 German, I,

1:11:25

I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

1:11:27

I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

1:11:29

I don't, I don't, I don't, I

1:11:31

don't, I don't, I don't, I don't,

1:11:33

I don't, I don't, I don't, I

1:11:35

don't, I don't, I don't, I don't,

1:11:37

I don't So I like

1:11:39

guns, I collect guns. Hey busy, let's let's

1:11:42

call this Missy Hite part one. Okay. We'll

1:11:44

talk in a few days and we'll do

1:11:46

Missy Hite part two and it'll be you

1:11:48

asking me your list of questions. Then I'll

1:11:51

be asking you. Okay, that sounds great. We

1:11:53

got a deal. We got a deal. Hey

1:11:55

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1:11:57

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