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Podcast One presents Austin Austin show

1:00

classics. All All right, here

1:02

I am sitting with She's about

1:04

to open up a

1:06

wrestling conversation. conversation and

1:08

go Missy. Okay, thank you thank

1:10

you I like calling I like calling you Steve.

1:12

Steve. I love but but Stunning Steve is

1:15

much better for me to call you

1:17

that. that. So, here you go. go. Thank you

1:19

for my my questions. first My first one

1:21

is, as I know that you told

1:23

me that you the to the and

1:25

you you World Class as a fan, but

1:27

what other wrestling promotions did you

1:29

watch or attend as a fan? a fan?

1:32

I didn't attend anything other than world -class

1:34

championship wrestling wrestling because didn't have any money

1:36

any money and we was based in Dallas at

1:39

that time time and when Houston was going

1:41

on on Paul Bosch you know my my mom and

1:43

dad, know they were gonna to going drive me a

1:45

miles down the highway to see a highway

1:47

show. pro- Wrestling show thing I'd ever been

1:49

to was I'd -class been wrestling when I was

1:51

playing football at North Texas State University

1:54

I was playing I was there from North 87.

1:56

I might have got there in the

1:58

back end of there from 86 to 87. football

2:00

at North Texas. And so

2:02

that's where I went. But growing

2:04

up, growing up on Houston,

2:06

Mid Texas. You know, know, everything in in

2:08

NWA, W.C.W. a little bit of bit

2:10

of WWF at the time really

2:12

wasn't down where we were

2:14

at because everything was so much

2:17

more regional. we So I was

2:19

just a huge fan of

2:21

everything was that the Crockets were

2:23

doing, the horseman So I that whole

2:25

a huge of people. And

2:27

I didn't get anything off the, you know,

2:29

out of Calif. for the Well, did

2:31

you watch the flared or

2:33

had Tully Blanchard or the

2:35

Texas Wrestling. You never... Oh my gosh, do

2:37

you need to go back

2:39

and see some of Tully's

2:41

interviews. Tully Blanchard's interviews

2:43

were so awesome. when he was going through,

2:45

you know, with Arn, you know, down where they formed a

2:47

there where they formed and all

2:49

and all that stuff, but I

2:51

didn't catch any of any of

2:53

stuff. stuff. that was interesting interesting first

2:55

at guess guess were were okay between

2:57

Dallas and San Antonio, but then

3:00

everything got all hairy and they

3:02

started running of each other. each other.

3:04

Right, yeah, if you ever you ever get a chance,

3:06

watch some of the the blanchard stuff that's

3:08

really good. it's really good. Well, I was

3:11

like just working the rig. worker, great

3:13

worker. great worker. if WCW never

3:15

hired you in 91, the

3:17

plus with the dying out, out,

3:19

did you have any other

3:21

places in mind to work?

3:23

For example, Scambar Akbar Puerto Rico

3:25

in Rico in Japan. Japan. Man, that's

3:27

a great question. I was down there in the was

3:29

down there we talked a little bit of we talked

3:31

a little bit of money. a time

3:33

we had a conversation making $15 I was

3:36

making night to $20 the night year in the about

3:38

the first year the business time I went back, they

3:40

shipped me second time I went back, they

3:42

shipped me back to Dallas and I

3:44

turned hill against Chris Adams when I went

3:46

then when I went back to Tennessee, USWA

3:48

territory, I had a $100 a night

3:50

guarantee. that I thought that was pretty

3:52

good money at the time time and didn't

3:54

know any better. And then on the screen. street,

3:56

coming around at around at Dusty Roads, one

3:59

of me me over in and that Tom

4:01

Prichert said I need to call magnum

4:03

or call dusty. so I got in

4:05

touch with those people and they

4:07

hired me. So that was my

4:09

next step. So that was my next step. If W.W.

4:11

had not hired me, I didn't

4:13

have plan B. I was a

4:15

in the moment by day. day. It's

4:17

great to have big, a big board or a big

4:19

or a big plan, you know, but when

4:22

you're just starting off, off. you don't

4:24

know know what a crapple wine you want, so just

4:26

going by by, you know, booked on a

4:28

weekly basis. basis. Had they fired me, and I didn't know what

4:30

I didn't know what have started I would

4:32

have started calling some people I would maybe, you

4:34

know, I would have went back and

4:36

started driving forklift again I was driving before I

4:38

got into business. But to answer your

4:40

question, I don't know what I would have

4:42

done. I would I never did really want

4:44

to go to Puerto Rico go what happened

4:46

to to Puerto Rico. Right. And so I never really

4:48

thought about that. I've had a few opportunities

4:50

to go there in the past, but

4:52

I've always just passed them by them by and

4:54

wanted to go there because I heard it

4:56

was I a tough, you know, a tough, you know,

4:58

and, you know, wrestling know, the was so real.

5:00

it was so real. that part part, to me.

5:03

appealed to me. And it's crazy fans

5:05

are crazy. They fans are

5:07

crazy. They throw, they throw like batteries. in

5:10

something and they light them on

5:12

fire and throw them at you. at you.

5:14

It's really fun! In New York. all kinds of

5:16

stuff, you know, of stuff. You go

5:18

back to your question. go I don't

5:20

know. I'm just glad I hired

5:22

me. And you know, glad quite frankly,

5:24

me and you know, came in, I'm glad

5:26

when he fired me because had

5:28

he not fired me, you know,

5:30

me wouldn't have picked not up me,

5:32

then I wouldn't have gone Pauli So

5:34

have don't know up, I got dealt

5:36

me lucky me up, hearing the cards at

5:38

the time or I just just, it was

5:40

a for me to be in in the right

5:43

place at the right time, That's what always thought.

5:45

Being in the right place at the right place

5:47

at the right time. Yeah, so if they hadn't hired me,

5:49

I don't know what would know what would happen

5:51

now. Okay. which veterans did you

5:53

pick their brains in Dallas

5:55

with other than other than Scandar Akbar

5:57

and Bronco know, Oh I was

5:59

so lucky. able to able the car

6:01

with Bronco the back of the car go to

6:03

Bronco and I didn't know our. Well, was

6:05

to all this was new to me

6:07

I so yes those guys dropped all

6:10

their was me and we're so gracious

6:12

was new then I And down the road

6:14

with guys dropped all their 411 Gorgeous Gary Young

6:16

was a hell of a damn

6:18

worker then a good promo too. He

6:20

never got a big time Gorgeous he

6:23

was damn solid in the ring. His

6:25

psychology was outstanding so Gorgeous Gary

6:27

Young helped me out a lot. lot. Danny

6:29

Davis when we got down in Tennessee, superstar Bill Dundee, those

6:31

are a couple a couple of guys

6:33

you know, of you know, of course,

6:36

Paul Orndorf, once I got got

6:38

into Harley you know, riding down down

6:40

the roads with those guys. and Rick And

6:42

Rick Roode was the fun guy to

6:44

ride down the road with because that's

6:46

all Roode wanted to do was talk

6:49

about the business. to do was talk you know,

6:51

he business. board. he would, he talk about board he'd

6:53

talk about the baby face. talk about heat, he'd

6:55

hard to have a Rick heat, talk cussing

6:57

because he face so much. But he was was

6:59

very very, very knowledgeable. All All guys were

7:01

knowledgeable about the business, but those were

7:03

a few But those were a many that helped

7:06

me out, and I know I'm forgetting

7:08

a bunch of I as well. forgetting a bunch

7:10

of did you ever work with Eddie

7:12

Gilbert in Memphis work with anything from him? You

7:15

know what? Me and from

7:17

him? You paths Me time or

7:19

two crossed past a time or two. And

7:21

never really had men. I know

7:23

I met Eddie, but but always heard heard

7:25

of his booking genius and you know,

7:27

Saul, his promo, work, but we

7:29

never really spent any time together.

7:31

And together. then when I was just

7:34

coming in when I I just coming in came

7:36

into Tennessee, if I came into Tennessee,

7:39

Missy, in 90, 91, where was

7:41

Eddie? Eddie? I I believe

7:43

he in Tennessee or around that

7:45

time. time. Okay, but he was so high up there.

7:47

but he but to go there.

7:50

so but up, he in top was so high

7:52

up, he was in top tier of

7:54

the the I was in, you know,

7:56

the you know, when So, you know, when you just

7:58

came in and you're so green I mean, this

8:00

is back is back in 90. So, you know, you don't know,

8:02

you don't really mix with those guys. The

8:04

guys you're working with, know, the Gary Youngs and

8:06

and people like that who who those

8:08

are upper guys too, but I didn't have

8:11

access to an Eddie Gilbert. Gilbert. Okay, well, did

8:13

did you ever work with John Tatum

8:15

and Dallas? Dallas? No, but but

8:17

I got a to go watch him wrestle I

8:19

was at North Texas State and you know, we'd

8:21

go go throw stuff at the the

8:23

and drink and but I never

8:25

got a chance to work with a

8:27

But like you said, last time

8:29

we were talking you said last time the

8:32

business, best at selling. the business, know,

8:34

he's mean when he got the

8:36

heat. To me, got the heat. Tim to Tatum

8:38

and Michael Hayes worked. In a a way

8:40

that much much alike, but different

8:42

as well. whole whole different promo, But they

8:44

just of remind of each other

8:46

from of each other from a up together. up

8:48

You know, they grew up together. they grew up and

8:50

he was my one regret in my life.

8:53

Like if I look back on my life,

8:55

like we were talking the other day, like

8:57

I were back then what I if now, what

8:59

would I have done? I know now, I was just

9:01

like, I think And I mean, breaking up with

9:03

Johnny was probably the worst thing I ever

9:05

did. So. Let ask you a

9:07

question, if you don't mind, did. I I

9:10

wanted to put a clip of you, you,

9:12

I do a video at the end

9:14

of my the end of my podcast and tell watch something.

9:16

watch something. And to I couldn't find, find, couldn't

9:18

find I whole clip of the whole clip with

9:20

Gucci bag So it was only a three

9:22

was 32 second clip. I three thought there

9:24

was more, but I started watching some

9:26

other stuff and not to get into

9:29

your dating to get into of the guys, some

9:31

but you brought it up. it So

9:33

when Eddie Gilbert and John Tatum, Tatum and

9:35

else was at the table? at the table, something.

9:37

Well, Jim Ross was interviewing

9:39

y 'all. Jim Ross. Yeah, it

9:41

was down y'all. Oh, Jim Ross, yes. It was down in

9:43

UWF. And so needed a you needed

9:45

a a, So John goes to

9:47

get the hairbrush, but then Eddie

9:50

already goes to get the so

9:52

Yeah, what was going on there because were you

9:54

with John or Yeah. at the time? I

9:56

was with Because the time,

9:58

but me and at the time? liking

10:00

each other. know when they you know,

10:02

when they put us together, it started.

10:04

things. It things that just And it just

10:06

just Yeah but I look But I look

10:08

back on it now. was like and I like,

10:10

and I did John really bad.

10:12

I I feel you know know, and I feel

10:15

bad about that. that And And and I,

10:17

I'm I'm just, you know, I'm thinking

10:19

and John together were so much better

10:21

together. Like I never never with with anybody.

10:23

Other than John Tate, I I I

10:26

I I managed Eddie, I managed know,

10:28

I know, I managed Nasties, I whatever. Steiners,

10:30

But Steiner's, and being

10:32

with somebody, I never worked

10:34

that great. worked that with I worked with

10:36

And it's just like, and

10:38

I could see me and

10:40

Johnny going other places together. places

10:42

he was And he great guy

10:44

guy too. So what happened on the happened on

10:46

the I mean, how did you I mean,

10:48

how did you leave and to go

10:50

to same stay in the same

10:52

territory? be had to be unstoppable. It was

10:54

hard. It was really hard was there was

10:56

so much animosity between the two. They

10:58

wouldn't even book them. They booked them

11:00

one time the you know, against each

11:02

other, but they couldn't do it. And

11:04

they kept us both you know, They kept

11:06

him other, but they couldn't heels. they kept us said it

11:09

was just too much heat that they

11:11

couldn't put them together in the heels

11:13

thought something might happen. And know know

11:15

the thing the lot of people think of

11:17

there's heat between those two guys

11:19

is heat So this should be a

11:21

real good match shoot so this should be a the

11:23

case match you ain't out there getting

11:25

along like peanut butter and jelly like

11:27

peanut butter be a the or average at

11:29

best a stinker or average yeah. yeah

11:31

yeah. me me digress and you

11:33

take it back with your questions. questions All

11:35

right, how was it? Well, you were you

11:38

were with John and Tesla was an an

11:40

in in comparison to you and

11:42

and weren't you guys there at

11:44

the same time? at was it

11:46

being with with two, you know guys,

11:48

know, you know similar guys with

11:50

the you know, know in a small a

11:52

small How How was that? so

11:55

I was so green with working with

11:57

Chris Adams and he was calling

11:59

all the shots. It was all I all I

12:01

could do to stay focused on

12:03

the task at hand listen every single

12:05

thing He said he said. He would call

12:07

the matches in the ring. We rarely

12:09

set anything up knew know we knew

12:11

the finish But Chris was, you know Chris was

12:13

you know he that time hell He

12:16

was a veteran everybody knew was a

12:18

hell of a worker a worker. Charismatic

12:20

guy looking, he He just had some demons.

12:22

So So anyway to answer your question

12:24

I didn't pay attention to anybody.

12:26

I was so hungry because I just

12:28

came back from just came back from U.S.W.A. I wasn't

12:30

making any money. And when, I were getting

12:32

on the bus. It was

12:34

a Thursday night. It was

12:36

night. show. a And and in U.S.W.A. When

12:39

you work the Spot Show Thursday, it

12:41

was within 100 miles of

12:43

Nashville. of So that's when everybody

12:45

got into the tour bus

12:47

bus was leasing from Wayland from

12:49

So everybody get on the

12:51

tour bus and we drive

12:53

down to Dallas. And and we'd

12:55

drive down to to Memphis, And then we'd

12:57

work the go back to Nashville.

12:59

to get dropped off wherever your

13:01

car was for the spot show go

13:03

back then go back to your

13:06

hotel go then go work in Nashville

13:08

Fairgrounds. Well anyway, we getting on the bus

13:10

the night after after the show show, ready

13:12

to head to to head next next

13:14

or whatever or whatever. And Jerry says, Steve, I'm sending

13:16

you back to Dallas Dallas. I

13:19

looked at him him just as Jarrett and

13:21

I said I mean you're firing me

13:23

firing goes no I'm not firing firing you.

13:25

send you back to Texas and

13:27

turn you hill to work against you hill

13:29

to work against Chris. So I said, okay. And Dutch man to

13:31

travel together with Chris travel together with had

13:33

already told me You know Dutch

13:35

gave me the name to travel know my

13:38

real name back in the day

13:40

was Steve Williams, but I couldn't be

13:42

Steve me. Dutch gave me the name Steve Austin. So anyway,

13:44

anyway, you know man, if, had said a baby

13:46

face for a I was a bit, and he

13:48

a little bit if you he goes go

13:50

if you ever go back to Texas

13:52

turn heel, you can be a can be a

13:54

cocky bastard and call yourself stunning Steve Austin So

13:56

that's what I what I did. I went

13:58

back to Texas turn the steve Steve

14:00

turn turn hill against Chris and

14:03

you gotta only been

14:05

in the business I'd

14:07

months in the business months right so

14:09

man were tested that that was

14:12

the the booker that your program

14:14

against Chris Adams? Was it

14:16

Derek Chris Adams That was your Chris

14:18

Adams. no that Chris booked all

14:20

of our stuff, though Eric

14:22

did have the book. did have

14:25

the operated within Eric's guidelines, but

14:27

Chris booked our stuff. stuff So to answer your

14:29

question, man, I didn't pay attention to Tessa.

14:31

She was a really cute girl. she was I

14:33

was just trying to do my thing. I was

14:36

just trying to right. thing. Right, do you

14:38

think the program program ex -wife, current

14:40

wife at the time, and and Star pupil,

14:42

put you on the map based

14:44

on its drawing bans for a dead

14:46

promotion because it was drawing was drawing

14:48

but then you guys got it

14:50

up to it up to like 1,200? Boy, you you

14:53

didn't mess around, you did your research. your You

14:55

are right, that angle drew money. do And I'll

14:57

say this, and I've said it before, that

14:59

was a high -profile angle.

15:01

We were working in the co-main event.

15:03

event. We were semi-main, every single

15:05

night. single night. at that number

15:07

one spot, cabin at that that's

15:09

a respect. a respect. So anyway. I broke in

15:11

in broke in in the

15:13

back end of then in 1990 we had

15:15

and then and 1990, we

15:17

had that feud. And then

15:19

based on that named, me, rookie of the

15:21

year. Missy, had I rookie of the year. angle, I

15:23

would have never been been in that angle. I

15:25

would have never been noticed. We would have

15:28

never had that where are as a I came

15:30

as a football player and he came as

15:32

a judo player. player. We would have never had

15:34

the cage match. cage match. and and would have

15:36

never beat up Chris beat up Chris, fine, color

15:38

on him, all that stuff. all that stuff. So in

15:40

the middle of all that, I all Chris

15:42

Adams. Chris Adams. And you know, I going back to what

15:44

you said, I was the right guy

15:46

at the right place at the right time

15:48

when I joined Chris right place at the when

15:50

I was standing in line. Chris I showed

15:52

up, when I I didn't have any

15:54

fancy clothes or I I was

15:56

just a college athlete on a

15:58

scholarship I I worked a jobs. you know, know

16:00

for my money to spend during

16:02

the year during I had a pair

16:04

of black I had a pair of had a

16:06

pair of black loafers and a purple

16:08

had shirt of black loafers and a was pretty

16:10

good -looking kid back in shirt and when

16:12

Chris saw me walking that school was a

16:14

mean his eyes lit up because kid

16:16

back money, Chris making

16:19

money, at Based on, based on

16:21

a look, you know, you thought he had

16:23

something. he figured... I'm thinking you think

16:25

what do think I always thought I

16:27

he was kind of similar he

16:29

to you. similar to you. Oh man, I had

16:31

a great a great a matter of

16:33

fact You know he was a

16:36

guy that kind of he was guy

16:38

his physique heads wasn't on the level

16:40

of it wasn't on the it was in

16:42

that category. Ericks, out that one

16:44

of a in that category. Kerry had that one-of-a-kind physique, good

16:46

look, pretty good worker worker. And let me go

16:48

Let me go back a little

16:50

bit because you were asking me what

16:52

I would have done what I would have

16:55

me W.C.W. not call me. I forgot all -time

16:57

great Gary Hart was running some

16:59

shows on weekends weekends when Dallas wasn't

17:01

running at the And

17:03

Gary had put me and Rod Price

17:05

together. and Rod were together. We were WCCW, But

17:07

but for Metro Plex working for Gary,

17:10

we were a tag team. tag team.

17:12

I don't even remember if we had

17:14

a name. And we were actually

17:16

the we team champions team for Gary Hart.

17:18

So I have a past history

17:20

at Rod Price. at And as a

17:22

matter of fact, of I think I they

17:24

were going to send were going to send

17:27

of us to Tennessee, Rod had met had

17:29

met a girl. to he wanted to stay

17:31

back in Dallas with his girl. went to

17:33

I went to Tennessee having I started having

17:35

my singles run. I came That's when I came

17:37

back But Rod was but was supposed to

17:39

go to Tennessee with me, but he never did. did.

17:41

But you never know what could have happened have

17:43

two guys with that similar look. never know.

17:46

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17:48

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17:50

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right, coming back to little talking to the

19:01

one and only, one and only, Missy Hyatt. What One

19:03

of my favorites of all time. time? were

19:06

your thoughts on Kevin on Kevin

19:08

Von Eric to control a Dallas briefly from August

19:10

Jared in August Did the pay

19:12

increase? pay increase? Man I I didn't

19:14

notice anything about the pay increase pay

19:16

a single night in Dallas. in Cuz, you

19:18

know, that was Friday night and we

19:20

did the television taping on Saturday morning.

19:23

television tape on Saturday don't even remember. I

19:25

told you last time, time my

19:27

first match I $40 with Frogman Leblanc. But

19:29

believe me, I wasn't getting rich

19:31

in the wrestling business in my

19:33

first first years in the business. business.

19:36

Not a a lot of people did. Well,

19:38

were you around when Joe Petticino was born

19:40

around that he had a Nigerian backer

19:42

worth millions and was gonna open up

19:44

up global? I mean, I mean, did you

19:46

believe it at the time? No, I didn't know

19:48

I didn't know anything about that. You You

19:51

know, at the time, I I knew about Joe

19:53

Pettisino Bonnie Blackstone, but I think I was

19:55

down in Tennessee, then and then that's when

19:57

they did open it up, and I know

19:59

that's how how, well. told me whether it's on a

20:01

phone a phone call our last podcast

20:03

that you got buff Mark Bagwell in business. And

20:05

that's when they hired Mark that mask

20:07

on him. know Mark's a good -looking

20:09

guy guy. And that that was a

20:11

great gimmick But I never was a

20:14

part of a and didn't know

20:16

anything about it didn't know anything about when

20:18

WCW booked you in the worst worst

20:20

match ever, they did they ask

20:22

you to take a bump off

20:24

the scaffold and would you have done

20:26

it? it? here's the thing

20:28

about that that match. Why booked that match no

20:30

have no idea I don't even

20:32

remember a a program because it

20:34

was me and Bobby versus P.N. News and Terry

20:36

and And Terry Taylor's Terry of a a

20:38

hell of a damn hand and

20:41

a guy that helped me out whole

20:43

lot as well well. He me a

20:45

lot of advice down the road

20:47

and of course Bobby And it

20:49

as well and you put as well. And

20:51

you put P.N. News, his 400-pound on up on a scaffold.

20:53

And here's what happened We couldn't do

20:55

do night of the Night of the Skywalkers with,

20:57

you know, the Road Wars and Jim they did

20:59

was they sent the wrong structure. they

21:01

sent why that match was here's why that

21:03

match was a turd. The or the the so big

21:06

around in were so big around in

21:08

circumference your couldn't get your hands

21:10

around them to hang or do

21:12

any kind of stuff on the

21:14

bottom. the bottom. So we we were relegated

21:16

to on on the top don't me

21:18

wrong, I wrong to was death to but

21:21

at the time I was only

21:23

only years old so I was

21:25

ready to do something, do something. But you

21:27

do anything do underneath underneath there because the were

21:29

too big to grab with your hands.

21:31

your we stuck to the top and

21:33

you had to go and you had to

21:35

and do something with it. And Dave

21:38

Meltzer gave that the worst Dave Melzer

21:40

of the year. worked match of the year. I'll never

21:42

live that one down. And here's

21:44

the thing, I've been, know, been I've been to

21:46

been part of a to be a part

21:48

of a bunch of sellouts and

21:50

stuff like that when I got stone cold.

21:52

But you know what, know what, when you're

21:54

paying your dues and you're up on

21:57

a scaffold scaffold that you know sucks, sucks and

21:59

got about about 50. left, It is a

22:01

a bad day at the

22:03

office. Exactly, exactly. Do you think you

22:05

think Bill Watts was

22:07

nuts and phasing out

22:09

the Dangerous Alliance after

22:11

War 92, especially especially considering

22:13

you guys the booking the

22:15

booking direction as and filled the

22:18

horseman void? Man,

22:20

I I don't remember why and

22:22

how we got shut down. I

22:24

remember War Games 92 against Sting against Sting

22:26

having a having a match there and

22:28

getting good color color and tearing a house

22:31

down house down that night. I

22:33

don't remember why they split

22:35

us up. it I think it

22:37

was okay for me I don't know, I

22:39

don't know, I don't think

22:41

anybody had any real plans for

22:43

me as far as being a

22:45

superstar or anything. So I just, I'm kind

22:47

of alone or anyway, it kind of a loner be a part

22:50

It was great to be a part of that

22:52

group because I think there there should be in the

22:54

Hall of Fame. Fame. And I got a lot of a lot of

22:56

knowledge from it and got to work with some

22:58

with guys, ass but but yeah, I I didn't really pay attention

23:00

to it. to it. Okay, well what were your dealings your dealings

23:02

with Jim how long how long did it

23:04

take you to figure out that he

23:06

knew nothing about wrestling? You

23:09

know, know, he was and Kip Fry were both very cool

23:11

both very cool to me. dealing I

23:13

don't remember dealing with him a whole

23:15

lot. had a whole lot know that about the of

23:17

them had a whole lot of knowledge

23:19

about the wrestling business. I just knew

23:21

that I had my guaranteed contract, the day. It

23:23

I told you back in the day.

23:25

a It was 56 in most it rolled to

23:27

about then above and most occasions. was dealing And

23:29

then above and beyond that, it was

23:31

dealing with when I when Eric came in,

23:33

that's when I was trying to start

23:35

renegotiating another deal. another deal. I got a I got

23:37

a second deal after that. and I I

23:39

was trying to negotiate with Eric after that,

23:41

but after that, but I really deal too much with

23:43

those people. What I was what I was trying

23:46

to do then, it was still it was still just

23:48

trying to learn the mechanics of the game.

23:50

my And my mechanics were at a a pretty

23:52

decent level, and then I was trying to

23:54

learn a little bit more advanced psychology to

23:56

get out of the 101 level, get to

23:58

the 201 level. 201 So dealing with those. those... ups

24:00

wasn't really my forte. my forte. Well,

24:02

did did Bill arrest you you to

24:04

take a pay cut one one of

24:06

his incentive -based contracts? No,

24:09

he he didn't. have too didn't have

24:11

too many with Bill. I got along great with

24:13

Bill and it along great with Bill,

24:15

a and it wasn't like we

24:17

had a bunch of you know, conversations

24:19

he's not a warm, a guy.

24:21

He's a tough a tough smart

24:23

promoter. You know, when he came in, he

24:25

rescinded the top rope rule. He He

24:28

grounded lot of aerial wrestlers

24:30

that's, that was and butter. and butter.

24:32

they took away the the around

24:35

around rings I'm like, I'm like, man.

24:37

I fell on that floor. the

24:39

Dallas Sportatorium, floor, and I busted my

24:41

chin open. chin had I stitches in there,

24:43

in there a tag match. And so And

24:45

so that was on a wood floor.

24:47

So you can imagine what a cement

24:49

floor it is. floor would do. know, I

24:52

I thought... I've been I've been my head my

24:54

head before on that cement floor.

24:56

I I know I got a concussion

24:58

At the Baltimore, one of the the paper

25:00

when they kidnapped me. I was

25:02

supposed to have that supposed to match

25:04

against match against Paul I think I Anderson

25:06

and it was me it was me and...

25:08

Who was it? wasn't PN he on

25:10

was somebody else. Anyway, they ended

25:12

up they ended up the Dick Murdock and Digging and out

25:15

and they came out and they kidnapped

25:17

me because in Baltimore, in were

25:19

like, no women in the ring

25:21

with men, going though we were that for

25:23

that bash. That's what American And he

25:25

That's what it was. And he picked

25:27

me up and he threw me

25:29

over and he was sweaty and wet.

25:31

I went straight down and hit my

25:33

my head knocked unconscious. unconscious. I can imagine hitting

25:35

the floor, you know, bumps continuously out there.

25:37

I wouldn't want to do that at

25:40

all. I think a lot of

25:42

the at all. I the boys was

25:44

feeling from the business at that time

25:46

business at by. had passed Bill by. Yeah. He's an

25:48

old-school I appreciate appreciate Bill and don't I

25:50

look back, you know, like back,

25:52

stuff when you were stuff when you

25:54

were around, that stuff stuff and met South Power Pro

25:56

NWA. You know, that was that

25:58

was great stuff else, but he

26:01

got to C. I

26:03

think it was just a different

26:05

dawn. dawn. Yeah, it was it was totally

26:07

different. you think he was, he Bill

26:09

Watts was, um, was went too far too far

26:11

in out out Kilman in order for him

26:13

to take out a lower paid

26:15

contract? I didn't even didn't even know that that

26:17

had happened. What happened? He was

26:20

jobbing out every day and Brian was like,

26:22

I'll be the highest paid job or

26:24

there is is he wanted him to take

26:26

that incentive based, you know, the contracts that

26:28

we pay you this and then after

26:30

three months, then you get, you know, then you

26:32

you get the pay or whatever. And

26:34

Brian, and Brian said, said I want to keep

26:36

my contract because Brian was making good money

26:38

good he he him out every night. And

26:40

Brian said, that's fine. You can job me

26:42

out every night. I'll be the highest

26:44

paid job or there is. there is. I

26:46

think I remember something about Brian

26:48

saying that about the thing When

26:50

did Bill watch come in there

26:52

and when did he leave? Bill come

26:55

in there and When was

26:57

that? That leave? Oh gosh. Okay,

26:59

wasn't there was that? That was...

27:01

What was it, he wasn't there

27:03

forever. What was at

27:05

it? 93? it 93? 93. 92, 93.

27:08

Well, I just remember one year he gave everybody year he

27:10

gave everybody Did you get the luggage for Christmas? know,

27:12

they gave get luggage. for Did you

27:14

get the luggage it. I was the only one that get

27:16

get no luggage for Christmas. the side. was like a little,

27:18

I bag it. bag. And was the only one never

27:20

got, well, you know what, now I don't feel so on the side.

27:23

It was like a little, I it was like

27:25

a little tote bag and a hang -up bag. I

27:27

And I was like, I remember, I never

27:29

got, feel like, I know what? Now I don't feel so

27:31

I don't feel like, I you didn't get any luggage. like, I

27:33

I didn't get any luggage. I But yeah, he

27:35

wasn't, he wasn't there. I wasn't, mean, I I was

27:37

going to ask you how the you was because,

27:39

you know, I told you I didn't ride

27:41

with any of the guys. I really rode by

27:43

myself. I I either read by or I rode by

27:45

myself. But was the morale? read by myself. But of

27:47

disgruntled I think everybody know I was

27:49

still so new in the business

27:51

and you know you know, I was it

27:54

was if it was the business know

27:56

I think I'm 28 93, you know, I think

27:58

I'm 28, know man I'm full of pissing. learning

28:00

the business, all about the business, everything

28:02

that goes with the business, booking the territory

28:04

and the the drinking beer on the

28:06

way to the next town. next town. I I

28:08

mean, I I ate, lived, and breathed the

28:10

business. It was one of the best

28:12

times of my life, so So I, hell,

28:14

for of matters, I I could have been doing

28:16

jobs every night, but I was happy

28:18

just being in a ring. being in a ring.

28:20

Yeah, and the right, Do you think WCW

28:22

was nuts for breaking up you

28:24

and Brian up you and Brian soon? soon. I

28:27

I mean, they had the excuse

28:29

that it was the low clash

28:31

of the the champions against Blair and Anderson. Where

28:33

did you dig information up? Because that's

28:35

really interesting. I didn't want to

28:37

be a tag team to begin with.

28:39

We was in We was in at a television

28:41

at a and they were just about to

28:43

start me out as a U start me

28:46

out as a U.S. champ and the race. The eight-time world

28:48

Race was going to be my manager. going

28:50

to All of a sudden, All of a sudden,

28:52

comes up to me, and I didn't I

28:54

know Brian that much, that much. I knew

28:56

him because he was on the roster.

28:58

roster. And everybody liked like I mean, mean, you

29:01

can't miss him, so loud and over the top. And just

29:03

a great And he goes, hey kid, he goes we

29:05

need to He goes we need to think

29:07

of a now. And I a tag team

29:09

now, and I said go are you talking

29:11

about? said, goes I go Dusty. I'm going into where

29:13

Dusty's right, I will go ask Dusty. Civic

29:15

Center, or whatever Dusty's office is at I said, hey Dusty,

29:17

Civic said, whatever it is. said, hey I said,

29:19

hey, Dusty, I said, what's going on? what's,

29:21

what's, we're in a tag team. what's, And he

29:24

goes, yeah, baby, that's what we're going gonna do for

29:26

That's what he goes, yeah, baby, that's what we're

29:28

gonna do with you. Put you guys

29:30

tag team. on the I said, I said, hey, I

29:32

thought I was gonna be the to the US

29:34

You could put You could with me. race He

29:36

goes, yeah, we're gonna save that for another

29:39

time. for So So sudden sudden, in a tag

29:41

team with Brian Pillman. And so for a while, he while.

29:43

had always had his bingles trunks on

29:45

on. I used to have have those trunks

29:47

It wasn't worth wasn't worth a damn. they put

29:49

us together and we didn't have nothing

29:51

to match And we were just we were

29:53

know you know, stunning Stephen flying Brian. then Brian came

29:56

up with the idea that, you know know if we're

29:58

we're gonna be a tag team team. good

30:00

good got to to have a name. goes,

30:02

He goes I already got it Hollywood

30:04

Blanche. He goes, it's goes it's already been

30:06

because it's already been done before but

30:08

it doesn't matter. It'll be It'll be new.

30:10

I said, okay, whatever it and you it.

30:12

And you guys would do the little camera thing

30:15

after work and everything. I I loved And I And I

30:17

was so pissed that I managed. I I didn't

30:19

get to manage. I thought for sure sure. And it

30:21

have been perfect for me to manage you guys

30:23

and they didn't get to do it. But

30:25

I mean, I was supposed to manage Shane Douglas

30:27

and ECW and I didn't get Shane and ECW and

30:29

I me Shane and I I up with with Sam

30:31

man. That's a whole other story. But I don't know why they broke

30:34

they up, up because when they broke

30:36

us up up, we started getting over, and we

30:38

started getting over big that's when we had

30:40

everything matching the had everything matching, the black

30:42

they split us up vests, and then they

30:44

back to answer that question go back

30:46

don't know why they did that I

30:48

don't know why they that. We were to get

30:50

people over team of a sudden we

30:52

were getting beat but then we

30:54

started getting over so then we

30:57

started going over and they said

30:59

over. on those guys let's break

31:01

them up over. Nothing made sense And I really, I was

31:03

really I was really upset at that point

31:05

in my career. The first time I'd

31:07

really been kind of professionally upset because it

31:09

was a setback. it was a Well, I

31:11

remember talking to you about that. to I

31:13

remember that. And I there at your

31:15

house house when you live way out there

31:17

or whatever whatever it was. And I

31:19

remember telling you, when you, when does your

31:21

contract expire? Mine's coming up. Maybe we

31:23

can all go to to WWE as the the

31:25

Hollywood Blonde. You know, all three of

31:27

us, know, when is know, I remember I

31:29

to you about that. that. And you know you

31:32

know those things, deals deals always scare

31:34

me was a thing, you know, was a

31:36

thing hurt, you know, then, you I get hurt. wrestling

31:38

as got to start wrestling as

31:40

singles team and you're in tag team

31:42

mode. a And you're not as heavy

31:44

push as because you're considered a

31:46

tag team guy. I always, my first year and

31:48

first year and a half in

31:50

a business or two years before

31:52

I got I was a I was a

31:54

singles wrestler. But But once I

31:57

got into that tag team and

31:59

we started clicking, that's when I already love tag team

32:01

but I wasn't a good

32:03

tag team wrestler team me and

32:05

Brian me and I started learning the

32:07

I of learning the cheating and manipulating

32:09

the cheating That opened up a

32:11

whole other level for me

32:13

and I just fell in love

32:15

with it. for them, and I just you

32:18

could go out there and

32:20

rock the house, four different pieces

32:22

four referee, five, a tear the

32:24

place down and do half the

32:26

work half the you got a

32:28

partner. got a partner. That's why why a

32:30

valet is so good. so good. Anyway,

32:32

I I remember you and Pillman

32:34

teamed with with bodies against Shane

32:36

Douglas and Douglas and Ricky Steamboat and in

32:39

1993. in Who had the better

32:41

babyface psychology in in or Steamboat?

32:44

God dang, I I don't even remember

32:47

that match but let me say

32:49

this you say you say the

32:51

name Steamboat, you're talking talking about one

32:53

of the most classic iconic, white meat,

32:55

maybe faces who who can fill in

32:57

all the great firework ship, salesmanship, I mean the

32:59

whole ball mean the whole and plus

33:01

plus he was a good -looking

33:04

guy guy. Do you know know I just

33:06

saw him not that long ago, right before

33:08

I retired, I right in Charlotte I

33:10

I I a picture with him

33:12

and put my arm around I He

33:14

a it as a rock. and I

33:16

mean, arm is still, he's mean at

33:18

his age and I was just

33:20

like, he is gosh. I mean, this

33:22

guy is in phenomenal shape. oh

33:24

my and go back to the

33:26

other guys, is said Shane Douglas, right?

33:28

shape. Well, and go back to was a you

33:30

you know, a little bit right?

33:33

Yep. Every now then steamboat

33:35

would go into a

33:37

little bit oversell mode. and so

33:39

so sometimes me and Brian

33:41

preferred to get the heat

33:43

on Shane Douglas. on And

33:45

Shane was a magnificent

33:47

baby face. baby face. I always sell

33:49

his ass off, white meat

33:51

hell, just like Steamboat. good-looking

33:53

great good dropkick very mechanical and I always love

33:55

Shane's work in the ring but I

33:57

always thought his promo was

34:00

a you know, which I think it think it

34:02

really when when he went to

34:04

ECW. Those promos were in ECW

34:06

were incredible, but his work

34:08

was better as a baby a baby face. Hill

34:10

betters, better as a heel, work better

34:12

as a baby face. That guy

34:14

was fun to work with. man, when you talk

34:16

when you talk about Rock Roll Express,

34:18

Express. you're talking about one of my

34:20

favorite tag teams of all time. teams

34:22

want those guys I into the those guys

34:24

of Fame the because they need to

34:27

be recognized by one of to be

34:29

or the last. by one of the biggest on

34:31

the block, the last, you know, Big they

34:33

should the their hall of fame

34:35

they should do on guys were so

34:37

important to tag guys were so And

34:39

you know, cuz you were around

34:41

those guys you know, because you were around those

34:43

guys in Mid-South and NWA. Girls on the

34:45

front row would be crying be crying

34:47

when Ricky started selling or if

34:49

they get the first set

34:51

of of Robert, Robert, give hot tag

34:53

and then they shut down Ricky

34:55

and really Ricky the second set

34:57

of into the second would be crying.

34:59

would be crying. And make their entrance, their

35:01

be like a it would be like a the

35:03

girls the so much. Everybody loved

35:05

them, but particularly but girls. particularly loved them, but

35:07

Yeah. Anyway, and then when you

35:09

talk about the talking about know, you know.

35:11

I don't know, I mean, heavenly bodies. Tom

35:13

Pritchard was very influential in

35:15

my career. in my forgot to

35:17

say him to well as well,

35:19

the time I was traveling with

35:21

Dutch Dutch and Chris Champion in my Hyundai Excel.

35:23

And And then Dutch was was

35:25

doing something with the the so

35:27

we were no longer were

35:29

together. riding And Tom Prichard was

35:31

driving Dirty White Boy, Tony Anthony's, it was like like

35:33

a Toyota Corral or something. White boy

35:35

was over there in Japan So Tom

35:37

Tom Pritchard was traveling in

35:39

his car car. I was doing

35:41

my thing my we were living

35:43

at the same hotel the same hotel, the

35:46

Congress Inn. Dirty White car breaks down.

35:48

So Tom needs a ride And, you

35:50

know, they did he might not have been with you. And

35:52

with you and in a Tom

35:54

was like in a different planet,

35:56

right didn't hang we didn't hang

35:58

around together He his thing. I did my

36:00

we go to the gym go to

36:02

the gym every and go into Memphis

36:04

on a Monday night Nashville's 205

36:06

miles and not a word was said a

36:08

word was said either way finally

36:10

we started talking and we we started

36:12

talking and we turned into

36:14

the best world in the world

36:16

the Tom was the first

36:19

guy to ride down the

36:21

road in his Lee and in with

36:23

jumped in with jumped in with riding

36:25

we to Louisville one day I

36:27

think it was Louisville Louisville And

36:29

Tom says, I was was stunning Steve

36:31

at the time the done that he'll

36:33

run. done And Tom says, Tom says, hey,

36:35

let me ask you a question.

36:37

ask you a He goes, He goes, so

36:39

stunning about Steve? Steve? And

36:42

was like, well, I I And he goes, well,

36:45

he goes, well, you should. hey,

36:47

And he goes, goes, what's so prime goes,

36:49

what's so prime time about know, what he

36:51

was know, what he was was rush the

36:53

gimmick. What are gimmick? What are you

36:55

all about? says, someone says, so what's cold

36:57

about Steve Austin? I can tell

36:59

you what's so so cold about

37:01

Steve Austin. I don't care. I'm

37:03

going to whip your ass. Don't

37:05

piss me off. Don't try to

37:07

box me in. Don't tell me

37:09

what to do. tell me what to the

37:12

gimmick. the gimmick. Tom was the first guy to make my eyes

37:14

open up to, hey, there's a different

37:16

level here. here. You don't just be

37:18

a mechanic, you're a personality and

37:20

that's why people care about you, whether

37:22

they love you or they hate

37:24

you, that's the part they buy buy into.

37:26

I got I got to thank Tom

37:28

Pritchard for that. that. Oh,

37:30

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38:32

well this is back to Ricky did

38:35

Ricky Steamboat give you and

38:37

Brian Pillman much direction when you

38:39

had those 45 45 60 minute show

38:41

matches against him and Shane Douglas?

38:43

Douglas? No man, Ricky was so cool,

38:45

he let us call it all. And you know,

38:47

yeah, yeah. Now he would also chip in stuff would also

38:50

chip in stuff in the ring,

38:52

but he was so respectful that we

38:54

were the a senior guy, so he was

38:56

a senior guy. So he absolutely had

38:58

liberty to squash anything we wanted

39:00

to do or make a redirect. the thing

39:03

But that's the thing about was so

39:05

was so cool. He just wanted to

39:07

go out there and work. And And

39:09

had that monster that WWE. run in the W.E.

39:11

and you was down at WCW at with

39:13

us. working with us. We were having think he

39:15

appreciated how hungry we were, how hard

39:18

we worked to shine him up wore,

39:20

how and flew for him when it

39:22

was time for them to make

39:24

her come back and they either, you

39:26

know, beat us flew slipped on a

39:28

banana when we screwed time for him there was

39:30

a lot come back and there you it

39:33

just goes to show how unselfish pill

39:35

is, one of the greatest of all

39:37

time. Right, right. Oh, he is,

39:39

definitely. In our last last interview, you were

39:41

telling me about Stone Cold, how

39:43

you got it from Keflunski, you know,

39:45

you know, the serial killer. But I was

39:47

was wanting to know if you

39:49

ever got any of your persona

39:51

from the old the old school David Shultz promos. You

39:53

know, it's know it's really neat that

39:55

you asked that question when I when

39:58

I go back and watch some

40:00

of the interviews a definite

40:02

parallel yeah but I hadn't seen any

40:04

of of the interviews because no because missy that that

40:06

was all regional I wasn't

40:08

getting that that Man when I when I

40:10

get on YouTube and this is

40:12

his back far back back as three

40:14

years ago I watched a lot

40:16

of his stuff when they

40:18

showed up as a house at

40:20

one time house at a little time

40:22

It's a little there and he's being

40:24

mean all that stuff the

40:27

stuff all that stuff that I mean John Stossil

40:29

But I mean, but it's just his promos boy Yes, really

40:31

think he was at the wrong place at

40:33

the wrong time the wrong time guy I think

40:35

had money written all over him all over

40:37

someone had had know better sense of booking

40:39

him, but then again I didn't know the

40:41

man man so maybe it such a a wild people

40:44

didn't want to take a gamble on him

40:46

because maybe it's hot on I don't know

40:48

maybe it was hot i wild i heard he was

40:50

a wild man people and stuff like

40:52

that. Yeah, but as far as

40:54

the gimmick goes, there was far as the gimmick

40:56

goes there was definite parallel from him, but when

40:59

I look back, it's very close. i

41:01

look back it's very close very close yeah did you

41:03

discover the newsletters and which one

41:05

did you read first? read burst And

41:07

when you talk you talk about the

41:09

newsletters, told me the cave fave sheets, I am not mistaken.

41:11

not mistaken. been It had Brian and and

41:13

me me about the sheets And he

41:16

he goes, kid. And you know, Wade and you

41:18

know has has his and Dave had

41:20

his and I know there's a

41:22

bunch of them out there now,

41:24

but back in the day there

41:26

was day, there was two. those were the

41:29

were the holy of the inside of

41:31

what's going on in the business. in

41:33

the business. And back then was leaving a

41:35

chair a territory. before I even knew it. it

41:37

by by reading it. in the mouth sheet. You see

41:39

here the thing you you wanted to read the see,

41:41

here's the thing, wanted the to read

41:43

the sheets because you wanted the

41:45

inside information. Those guys had that would

41:47

on the inside that would drop

41:49

them you just info, like you just

41:52

said, a great and they had a

41:54

great scope of the business. They

41:56

were very of the of the business, people

41:58

and people what what they had say.

42:00

if Melts are put you over, you know what they still know

42:02

what if do, if Meltzer put you

42:04

over, know, just know, just him putting

42:06

you over Keller too, but Meltzer was really

42:08

the number one guy back one guy back

42:10

in, you know, with his and three quarter

42:13

and all this stuff, the stuff, you know, it could

42:15

change the future of your booking

42:17

just based on what he said, but

42:19

but here's the thing. It how

42:21

much power that he he had, that

42:23

he has. But you wanted to be

42:25

caught with the sheets. the sheets.

42:27

You could pass them back. Everybody

42:29

K the the fact they're reading

42:31

sheets. sheets. We would, we would it would be

42:34

so funny we'd get one one and

42:36

I discovered it it from Eddie and, and you, passing

42:38

them around you read read you know, know, such

42:40

a a little print, know, you know,

42:42

on on two sides you're reading it and

42:44

reading it who's got page okay, who's

42:46

got three, who's got three, who's got

42:48

four, know, give me, me, need the

42:50

rest of this, I need the

42:52

rest of this, of this, so I remember. Back

42:54

in business was was so you didn't want

42:56

to be want to be you read the

42:58

read the did you read you the, Keller, what Keller

43:00

said, you what Metro said? said? No man, what'd

43:02

say? say? He He said What are you are

43:04

you talking about? know, because dude, you just, because the business

43:07

is so the business is so protected,

43:09

you just don't want to be caught

43:11

with the sheets or seen with

43:13

the sheets. sheets or same with you did, here's

43:15

the thing, Brian was always in

43:17

the know. And I think Brian had

43:19

someone in the office who gave

43:21

him a lot of was, Brian was, you know, with

43:23

W.C.W. and then in a little bit in little bit

43:25

in WWE there very there very long, but

43:27

he was very proactive in seeking

43:29

out information to hell. I was just

43:31

was just, you on down the road and

43:34

learning everything on my own. But

43:36

those sheets dropped a lot of very

43:38

important information. of very I get to

43:40

give those guys credit, a lot of

43:42

credit for to give those this time, a lot

43:44

of on the workings of the business.

43:46

time, you know, reporting back in Missy, they

43:48

were almost a business. if you will.

43:50

I mean, because in Missy. Oh, you know,

43:53

Kim. That was competing up. Jim

43:55

Cornette was threatening to beat Melter

43:57

up one up at a house. up at

43:59

a house. at a house, house have have he? Oh yeah,

44:02

definitely. definitely. is my last Okay, this

44:04

is my last question for you. were you

44:06

were never lucky enough to have Hyatt

44:08

as your manager, but you did use

44:10

Medusa a bunch of times, how was

44:12

she to work with? with? Oh, is great. See, here's

44:14

the thing about her. thing about her. a big

44:16

I was a big fan the

44:18

hers So then, you know, days. So then,

44:20

you know, like I always, I the

44:22

back end on the back end of

44:24

everything that I'm saying, because wrestling,

44:27

class championship, Mid-South Power Pro and NWA were what

44:29

I feasted on. That's what I what

44:31

I feasted on. start that's

44:33

what I always got I

44:35

start to finish. Then I

44:37

started getting then some WWA some

44:40

then some WWS. I started catching

44:42

AWA. The promotion was kind of to

44:44

go to go downhill but Medusa was out

44:46

there. there. She was super hot, She

44:48

she was super talented, could go. she

44:50

could go. It was when she

44:52

when she came to WCW, all

44:54

mean, she had all the respects

44:56

of the boys because she used

44:58

to go over and have have -ass

45:00

matches with Bo with Bolmicon. So everybody respected Duce and

45:02

top of that, she was beautiful

45:04

to begin with, so I enjoyed

45:07

working with her. I

45:09

thought she was her. I cool was

45:11

she was really cool and I would have

45:13

known would have known more. Miss a

45:15

phone a the other day the other

45:17

we would have known we would

45:19

we now what we we know

45:21

now we know now. I wish I were known. We

45:24

knew everything back then. know, if I'd have

45:26

have known more about how to use

45:28

her to my bag like you know,

45:30

referee you know making her more you I

45:32

didn't know, you know, I didn't know you

45:34

know years in the business, you years in the

45:36

business you know the or five years

45:38

in the business go out there with great to

45:40

go out there with an attractive you've

45:42

got to got to be able to

45:44

work with them use them and you

45:46

know manipulate things and you take the

45:49

heat or wherever the needs to go

45:51

to go. But it's them the heat and you can yeah,

45:53

I I mean so that's what great

45:55

with great with and and together

45:57

so well it was just

45:59

so easy easy with with I had never

46:01

I mean mean, and was the first person

46:03

I worked with and I only person

46:05

that I ever really worked well with

46:07

was that I ever really it's a shame that

46:09

it didn't last as long as it

46:11

did a shame that it didn't last as long the it or

46:13

even a guy manager think know there's

46:16

so much you can do because you

46:18

got the referee there you the other I

46:20

mean there's just so much you can

46:22

do with the fans make them go

46:24

crazy go crazy. Yeah, so sometimes I look back

46:26

a lot of at that I did, know,

46:29

did, you that I have the knowledge I

46:31

have, man I haven't wrestled since 2003,

46:33

but I but I'm still in the business

46:35

because I still watch it I still

46:37

study it watch different levels. study it at you

46:39

know, and then when I go back

46:41

and watch a lot of the stuff

46:43

that I did and watch a lot of my shoulders

46:46

and say I That was garbage, you

46:48

know, average at best that you garbage garbage, you

46:50

old stuff and thinking the same thing? best.

46:52

Yeah, oh my gosh, gosh, when I look at at

46:54

even old, even stuff that I did, I'm

46:56

like, I'm gosh, my gosh, accent. That was so

46:59

horrible. I was so bad. I was

47:01

so green. I was so I had not even

47:03

been in wrestling two years, you know, and

47:05

I got called up there. And I

47:07

was just like, I had no clue what

47:09

I was doing, didn't hand the microphone,

47:11

you know, ask a question and didn't give

47:13

him the microphone. you I mean, I look

47:15

at some of my stuff and then

47:17

some of my Memphis stuff. I was just like, I

47:19

It's like on on a chop. more

47:21

to to me. you know my talking,

47:24

I just I I cringe at

47:26

it. you could if if you

47:28

could if you could go back

47:30

and say it's gonna get in the gonna

47:32

get in the business it's it's

47:34

just say it's the just say it's

47:36

the same time period. so So you

47:38

step in the business the the same

47:40

time period you did, you know, period you

47:42

did you know roughly 85 is my strong So step in

47:44

85, but now you have all

47:47

your smarts. So what would you

47:49

have done differently now that you

47:51

know what you you know what the

47:53

start of your career? start of your

47:55

would have stayed with have stayed with

47:57

Johnny, and with Johnny, and I think

47:59

that when the talent left, when all

48:01

the talent left class and went to went to

48:03

and then they started know, really then they started

48:05

going really they after that and they

48:07

gave me my break me, they did

48:10

everything for me, I think I

48:12

would a stayed in world class a

48:14

little bit longer. everybody that I've told

48:16

that and they're always like, have and

48:18

then you would have been making know, $10

48:20

a a night and you wouldn't have

48:22

been doing anything and you wouldn't

48:25

have been anywhere. been anywhere. I think more my

48:27

loyalty to the Von to the Boner. would have

48:29

made me. there longer, I but I

48:31

I don't think think would have broken me

48:33

and Johnny up. Johnny up. But about with

48:35

with respect to just the workings

48:37

of the business of the business a long

48:39

time a long time, year year in Dallas, a year

48:42

and a half in a half in Tennessee

48:44

and then didn't didn't get a

48:46

whole lot of mic time mic now

48:48

knowing what I know now now, if

48:50

I I could go back to and

48:52

and start again I would have and was 24

48:55

when was 24 when I started

48:57

almost a late start for a a

48:59

lot of people Yeah. I I

49:01

would have focused way more on

49:03

my promo I would have learned how to

49:05

talk, to express myself, not

49:07

so much so much with making

49:10

every promo about rocket

49:12

science, how you deliver

49:14

your message. You're trying

49:17

to to emote or elicit an an

49:19

emotional response from these people

49:21

while you give them information. Put

49:24

salt and pepper on your

49:27

on your words. I would have I

49:29

would have understood more about

49:31

the character development that I'm trying

49:33

to get get people to buy

49:35

to or against against substance

49:38

or reason, the gimmick

49:41

With respect to work, you know shining know

49:43

up people up look good good wrestling

49:45

whatever was doing doing smart The bump I

49:47

took in Japan when I I took in

49:49

tricep tore my tricep off my

49:51

arm you know, I know that was

49:53

you know I didn't need

49:55

to be on the top rope

49:57

today's you look at what today's

49:59

generation is something fantastic stuff. All

50:01

I did was jump off and

50:03

an elbow. an elbow. was basically a

50:05

splash. a Japanese guy moved. guy I

50:07

splashed and tore my tricep off

50:09

my elbow. off my elbow. So I would know,

50:11

my bump ticket. Your bump card, you

50:14

only have so many holes, you

50:16

can punch in it. So I'd

50:18

rethink what bumps I did. The

50:20

pile driver with with Owen. You know, accidents happen.

50:22

That was an accident. But

50:24

I would would have worked a

50:26

lot smarter than I did because

50:29

there's that old saying, Missy, work smarter, not

50:31

harder. You always work hard, work as work as

50:33

hard as you can, but that's one

50:35

one of the reasons why I looked

50:37

up to rock to roll roll so much

50:39

and Midnight Express so much. so much.

50:41

Those guys do do stuff stuff looked

50:43

their stuff looked good, but when

50:45

you locked up a it was like it

50:47

was like a up with a just

50:49

felt You just felt style it was

50:51

a pro -style lock one of the best

50:53

of the best lock -ups in the

50:55

business and people say say a lock a

50:58

lockup, lock you you talking about? It's the

51:00

little things, but just that

51:02

technical the way he snapped

51:04

it in it in. and didn't feel

51:06

anything he did he did. guys

51:08

were so in the the ring

51:10

their workmanship. I I was

51:12

working a little snug snug, just

51:14

the overall presentation of the

51:16

product of will watch it

51:18

flair we'll watch it flare, dead, arn. Yeah. Well, I

51:20

mean, then, nowadays, they're just too

51:22

fast for me. Nothing digest

51:24

I I don't really, mean I I mean,

51:26

I see a match and I'm what

51:28

happened just what happened there? To me, it's

51:30

just too fast. I think they

51:32

need to slow it down just a

51:35

little bit just me. bit the way

51:37

they work, I mean, you could just,

51:39

you know, you do things and let,

51:41

because you got four corners, four know,

51:43

four sides of people and of got

51:45

cameras there. got mean, you got to

51:47

let you got to the people. because

51:49

you're turning away, you know,

51:51

you're drinking a soda, a soda you're doing

51:54

this you just got it's to register register

51:56

more. I think think that I would have

51:58

learned like I I could gone to

52:00

WWE like later in my career

52:02

I have learned to on the on

52:04

more more and my character more more

52:06

things like that I think it

52:08

would have been a whole

52:11

lot better. a I think it

52:13

would have been a lot better

52:15

have been a lot better but I that's shoulda woulda coulda

52:17

There's a couple guys guys down here in

52:19

and Dawson, and they're the NXT Tag

52:22

the next T tag team They had a

52:24

match in Brooklyn a couple of

52:26

months back couple of with a guy

52:28

named a guy named Tomasso Chompa and Johnny Gorgano. And the

52:30

the the body of the match

52:32

itself was very simple. I mean, there

52:35

was no crazy moves. They were

52:37

working a body part. But then,

52:39

mean, they're doing a whole lot

52:41

of high -level stuff, lot of high on

52:43

stuff, pulling the referee on the hot tags, I mean,

52:45

these guys are these guys are up. synced

52:47

was it was was work, but it

52:50

was such high level such and so

52:52

many things going on. many guys on. Those

52:54

have fit in in any in any. era

52:56

that ever was team wrestling That's how good

52:58

they are. And there's a lot

53:00

of stuff that happens. And I think

53:02

it's around a 20 minute a 22

53:04

minute match, whatever it was. But

53:06

there's a lot of action that thing.

53:08

You know, the thing about thing is

53:10

the you go back to mid go back

53:12

to mid eighties And even the arrow, we had sped it

53:14

up a it up a little bit,

53:16

but you know, football's sped sped up,

53:19

playing, you know, everybody's playing, offense, huddle

53:21

spread offense. offense. It seems

53:23

like everything is sped up.

53:25

up. And so the so the

53:27

business has and and it's

53:29

evolved more than just, know, hey,

53:32

the the old pull behind the

53:34

back. You can't can't do that. you can't do

53:36

you can't do that. But there's a lot

53:38

of things they can do. But to me,

53:40

I I don't know, maybe it's just I'm

53:42

so old so school. They, to me, it's just, it's

53:44

a little too fast for me. I don't

53:46

think they let it digest. they I don't think

53:48

it I don't but that's just me. just me. So

53:51

what's next for you, me? What's next

53:53

for me? next like I said, like I Alabama.

53:55

Alabama. to I'm going to be

53:57

in Newton, Alabama for a War war the

54:00

next day of thing I'm retired. I

54:02

retired at retired I don't do any autograph

54:04

shows I don't I don't do anything. Now,

54:06

what anymore. I don't do what was

54:08

it, 2015 or made were

54:10

tired? decide what was it 2016.

54:12

or 16 you retired? In Dallas to So what

54:14

made you just say hey,

54:16

that's it? So what made you you know

54:19

I hey that's it? Well because you know I have a

54:21

real job away on the weekends

54:23

to go do shows go do just

54:25

just I mean it was fun

54:27

and I still enjoyed it but

54:29

being by myself doing it is

54:31

not that much fun traveling

54:33

by myself and plus living in

54:35

Tallahassee I kept getting stuck at

54:37

the airports because there's only

54:39

so many flights in Tallahassee and

54:41

just you know I've slept in

54:43

Charlotte in Charlotte Atlanta and Atlanta being

54:45

stuck and can't get a in

54:47

and things like that. And it's just, just, know, know,

54:49

my whole weekend. but if I take a

54:51

weekend off from work, I would really

54:53

like to go and do a reenactment

54:55

War World War War reenactment. That's my

54:57

hobby, so I'd rather go and do

54:59

that I'd go. and do that and go do

55:01

the thing. thing. lot of guys

55:03

have have getting away from the business, away

55:05

from the business. So hard was it for you?

55:07

I mean, it's been a long time.

55:09

a long time. I watch it, I'm still a

55:12

fan of it, and I still I still

55:14

you know, know, so... Yeah, if away from it, and

55:16

you were tired. it, you retired. Yeah, yeah, but

55:18

I still about it and everything, so

55:20

I It's So any I know, but you're not

55:22

doing the business anymore anymore. because

55:24

at some some got to go on

55:26

with another life. with another life. yeah, yeah, I

55:28

mean, it was time. I mean, and it's like

55:30

I started my career in Dallas and I thought

55:33

I'd end it in Dallas. I'd end it in Dallas. Okay,

55:35

when you when you first started first

55:37

and when I first started when first

55:39

started in 89-90, I didn't know what

55:41

was gonna happen going to didn't think

55:43

I'd be doing it for that many

55:45

years. I never had any clue. had I

55:47

had, It was just, to me, was

55:49

a fluke and it was just an

55:51

accident an an opportunity and an I had no

55:53

idea I would have done it would

55:55

as I did it for as long as I

55:57

did it. You asked me what I would

55:59

have done. If W.C.W. hadn't hired hired me and

56:01

I didn't really know the answer

56:03

because I didn't have plan B, have plan

56:06

B Okay, have never gotten a wrestling

56:08

business, a you have any idea what

56:10

you have any idea what it should could have would

56:12

have have, I have with I would had

56:14

babies. stayed with Johnny and had

56:16

babies Mom Yeah, but a mom Because that's that's the

56:18

one thing I didn't get to do.

56:20

I missed out on missed out on so Are you

56:22

you upset about that decision? No,

56:25

because, you know, I moved to Florida,

56:28

I went to the 10 -week force

56:30

I was going to adopt. to I

56:32

was thinking about adopting. about was adopted

56:34

at birth, I was so adopting to

56:36

me is no big deal. is no big deal.

56:39

So is there still a time

56:41

in your in your life

56:43

to adopt gonna going going the road?

56:45

You know, I know, I live with my

56:47

mom and she just turned 90 years old,

56:49

so it's not the right time right

56:51

now, but I think after she passes and

56:53

everything, I think it'll be the right

56:55

time. be the right long as

56:58

I can as up in little costumes

57:00

in they can go to costumes I'll

57:02

be happy. go to reenactments with me, I'll

57:04

be happy. All

57:06

right, and takes her her girl,

57:08

with her, daughter so with

57:10

her, so that's okay. To Delventoo,

57:12

just a little bit of

57:15

a personal issue, a got a

57:17

little you up on some

57:19

alcohol. up on some alcohol.

57:21

Oh yeah, right, how

57:23

bad was that because

57:25

I hear Because I hear know what?

57:27

It was pretty bad. It was pretty bad.

57:29

I thought I was gonna die. pretty bad. I

57:32

thought did. I thought I was gonna die.

57:34

How bad did you get? Oh,

57:36

I I got really bad. mean, to the

57:38

point that I, you know, blacked out,

57:40

didn't even know where, you know, woke up,

57:42

didn't know what day it was, didn't

57:44

know what year it was, didn't even know

57:46

what month it was. it was, didn't even

57:49

know what month it was.

57:51

What were you breaking? Oh, Scotch.

57:54

Scotch? Scotch? Yeah, kind

57:56

of pills kind of bills

57:58

my gosh, I was taking it. everything and anything.

58:00

Somas, Xanax, Percocet, what else? Anything. You

58:03

know, anything I can get, anything I

58:05

can get a script for, I would

58:07

take it and I'd take it to

58:10

excess. You know, if it said four,

58:12

you know, take one pill every four

58:14

hours, I'm like, oh, I'll take four

58:16

pills every one hour. Okay. You know,

58:19

I had no conception of that. And

58:21

I don't know if I was trying

58:23

to hurt myself because I was feeling

58:26

bad about myself. My self-esteem was really

58:28

low at the time. But I kicked

58:30

myself out of it and my best

58:32

friend kicked me out of it and

58:35

she had a big talking with me

58:37

and kicked me out of it and

58:39

I just and I stopped. Why did

58:42

you start taking pain pills and stuff

58:44

like that? Were you in pain or

58:46

did they were just floating around? So

58:48

I said, hey, I'll try those. Well,

58:51

I was in pain. I had a

58:53

couple car accidents and I was in

58:55

pain so I would get them, but

58:57

you know, I, you know. get them

59:00

from people, you know, if you know

59:02

the right people you can get whatever

59:04

you want, you know. If you want

59:07

Cuban cigars, I can get you Cuban

59:09

cigars even before they were, you know,

59:11

you know, you know, the right, you

59:13

got the right connections, you can get

59:16

whatever you need. But, um... How long

59:18

it takes you to get clean and

59:20

healthy? It probably took me, I would

59:23

say a few months, I mean, I

59:25

just quit, I mean, I went to

59:27

the doctor and told them, hey, hey,

59:29

hey, I mean you do for me,

59:32

and he helped me. Are

59:34

you good now? I'm great

59:37

now. I've been since 2005.

59:39

Do you drink at all?

59:41

Can you have a social

59:43

drink? Oh, I can if

59:45

I want to. And I

59:47

just don't. I just don't.

59:49

I just don't. I just

59:52

don't. I have, I do

59:54

wine demos too sometimes part-time

59:56

and I got a bunch

59:58

of wine or about or

1:00:00

something like that. I'd give it away,

1:00:03

but I don't drink. But if I

1:00:05

go out, if I want to have

1:00:07

one, I can have one, and I

1:00:09

don't think it's going to make me

1:00:11

go back and start, you know, drinking

1:00:13

a fifth of doers a day. I

1:00:15

don't think that'll happen. Is that where

1:00:17

you're drinking a fifth? I don't even

1:00:20

remember. But I mean, I'd have doers

1:00:22

and then I'd also keep stolly stolly

1:00:24

in the freezer, because stolly cold is

1:00:26

really good. I

1:00:28

know. I should get mine in the

1:00:30

freezer as well. Oh, did you? Well,

1:00:32

I mean, I got so bad. As

1:00:34

far as, like, having a drink, I

1:00:36

was just like, I turned to a

1:00:39

drink snob. I'd keep crown roll on

1:00:41

my gray juice vodka in a damn

1:00:43

freezer. And then I keep my glasses

1:00:45

in the freezer. My rocks are in

1:00:47

the freezer. So, you know, you go

1:00:49

to a regular bar. They're going to

1:00:51

grab a room temperature glass. Just grab

1:00:54

some of those gimmick ice cubesicubes out

1:00:56

of the mega ice cubes out of

1:00:58

the mega maker thing, the bulk maker.

1:01:00

And then the bottle of vodka or

1:01:02

crown rule or whatever it is, is

1:01:04

room temperature and they pour in the

1:01:06

coat from the machine, it's like, man,

1:01:08

that's the worst drink I've ever had.

1:01:11

I got all my stuff scientifically cold.

1:01:13

So if I'm drinking, I get the

1:01:15

same thing with my margarita mix down

1:01:17

there at the ranch or whatever. If

1:01:19

I'm going to do it, I'm going

1:01:21

to do it right. So I kind

1:01:23

of spole myself. Oh yeah. And I

1:01:25

love my margaritas. But just a little,

1:01:28

because if you put too much, it

1:01:30

gets too tart and they give it

1:01:32

to you. Yeah, yeah, you can't. You

1:01:34

just have to, that little shot a

1:01:36

Grand Monier and hmm, make that margarita.

1:01:38

Yeah, I, I, yeah, I could still,

1:01:40

I mean, if I went on a

1:01:42

trip and let's say, you know, went

1:01:45

to the islands or something like that,

1:01:47

there wouldn't be any reason why I

1:01:49

don't need to, I don't need to

1:01:51

get. I don't need to get blacked

1:01:53

out. No, no, that's bad. That's not

1:01:55

a good thing. I'm glad you are

1:01:57

your friend. and you got got

1:02:00

some help and good.

1:02:02

is good. Yeah, yeah, me too. Me me too,

1:02:04

me too, because I'm still here I

1:02:06

I probably wouldn't be here, so be here, so

1:02:08

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