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Colin Brower. Welcome

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back everybody to the Leat LVK

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more than Moto podcast. I am

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Callen Brower joined by Lewis Phillips

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and oh my gosh I am

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still cleaning mud out of my

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ears and feet and shoes and

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no I'm kidding I really actually

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didn't get that muddy because we

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were in a nice comfortable press

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box watching this ridiculous race that

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just happened on the weekend. Wow Foxborough

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a lot to unpack from this one.

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But yeah, how are you doing big

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Lou? Is everything okay from your weekend?

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Did you did you warm up post

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race well enough? Yeah, all is fine.

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It wasn't the most spectacular weekend. It

1:00

wasn't exactly entirely worthwhile being there, I

1:02

would say. Not a lot you can

1:04

really take. I mean, I feel like

1:07

we did see some stuff that others

1:09

didn't. I mean, Web's last lap, I

1:11

guess, wasn't on TV or not on

1:13

TV a lot, whereas we were following

1:16

that the entire time, which the entire

1:18

time. Always nice to have a mudder.

1:20

It's just a little more anxious

1:22

having it this point in the season because

1:25

when it's round two it's like ah!

1:27

If so and so D&Fs or whatever

1:29

happens they've got time to make it

1:31

up whereas now it's like this could

1:33

really just end the championship. Yeah I

1:35

mean there's actually like you said

1:37

there's some stuff that people didn't see

1:39

that we saw I mean I think you...

1:42

talked about or something RJ was going

1:44

backwards down a rhythm section at one

1:46

point. I don't think that made TV.

1:48

Cooper Webb almost landing on Justin Cooper.

1:50

Yes, I so I did my vitamin

1:52

X post ratio last night and I

1:54

realized afterwards I never mentioned that but

1:56

I don't know if anyone saw that.

1:58

But oh my God. Dude. close and

2:00

fortunately deuce deuce who was up in

2:02

the press box with us asked Webb

2:05

about that in the press conference oh

2:07

really because otherwise no one would know

2:09

that that happened I feel like but

2:11

it was very close I mean like

2:13

I I genuinely I mean maybe he

2:15

didn't realize Jake Koop was rolling that

2:18

in front of him but like I

2:20

cannot believe that was inches away from

2:22

being the end of both of their

2:24

nights really yeah that was the whole

2:26

press box which was very busy because

2:29

the VIPs were up there gasped yeah

2:31

so That was, um, yeah, that was,

2:33

that was crazy. And then it sounds

2:35

like no one saw that Vial actually

2:37

finished the race, sort of. Yeah, I

2:40

didn't see that. Yeah. But did you,

2:42

so I found a video of it.

2:44

Someone posted a video. I think Direct

2:46

Motorcross from Canada posted a video. Yeah,

2:48

I saw that, but I don't, I

2:51

still don't understand how we got from

2:53

the ply words with. what seemed to

2:55

be a stuck throttle and a front

2:57

Wilva wasn't moving to the finish line.

2:59

I don't understand how that happened. Yeah,

3:02

well we didn't see that for sure

3:04

but gosh there was just there was

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So much going on, so much that

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we're going to get into today on

3:10

this show and talk about. So I

3:12

guess let's just do it, shall we?

3:15

Big thanks to Leat Namura, race tech,

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Partzilla, again, we'll tell you guys all

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about them throughout the show. Big Partzilla

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news this weekend, PRMX team news that

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will deep dive, because it was quite

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a weekend for that team and program.

3:28

Really fun stuff there. All right, so

3:30

my first topic, Lewis, we'll just kind

3:32

of keep going with... What we're just

3:34

talking about right here. Let's kind of

3:37

break down the biggest winners and losers

3:39

of the weekend really from Foxborough because

3:41

in a way I don't really feel

3:43

like that many people like lost much

3:45

somehow despite having some horrible results. But

3:48

obviously there's a ton of big winners

3:50

podiums for private tiers and you know

3:52

private to your level teams and. great

3:54

results for some guys that we don't

3:56

ever see get good results. There's a

3:59

ton of Jacob Marsak award winners this

4:01

weekend. So for you, I'll ask you

4:03

first, who is the biggest winner of

4:05

the weekend? Foxborough. Well I think that

4:07

I'm maybe doing a bad job of

4:09

this because I'm very fixated on web

4:12

versus chase and kind of that's all

4:14

not that's all not that that's all

4:16

matters to me but that's certainly my

4:18

priority. So my first thought goes to

4:20

that and therefore my first thought goes

4:23

a big winner was web and the

4:25

big loser was chase. Okay. Because web

4:27

looked like he was going to lose

4:29

lose points. It never looked like he

4:31

was going to lose a red play

4:34

but it looked like he was going

4:36

to maybe have his... gap cut to

4:38

567. So for him to turn it

4:40

around with a last lap like he

4:42

did and actually put it out to

4:45

15 which isn't, it's not over at

4:47

15 points but it's certainly a nicer

4:49

spot for Webb to be and that

4:51

goes without saying. So I think that's

4:53

great for Webb and I think you

4:55

could see that he was quite proud

4:58

of himself after the fact. And then

5:00

yeah. the complete opposite is true for

5:02

chase because it looked like he was

5:04

going to gain ground and then ultimately

5:06

ended up losing time or losing points

5:09

so yeah that's not good I guess

5:11

if you if you're going in and

5:13

you say to chase you're only going

5:15

to lose four points in this disaster

5:17

zone then you take that but when

5:20

you know when you have the benefit

5:22

of hindsight and see how close he

5:24

was to gaining that amount of points

5:26

harder to maybe swallow Yeah, let's talk

5:28

about Webb for just a second because

5:31

as I understand it, I've not re-watched

5:33

the race yet, but as I understand

5:35

it, none of it was shown. No

5:37

one saw what Webb did on the

5:39

last lap of the race, so let's

5:42

explain it to the folks at home

5:44

what happened. He was in sixth as

5:46

he took the white flag. Sexton was

5:48

rolling around very slow, like I thought

5:50

there was a bike issue, I think

5:52

you did as well, and so Webb

5:55

passed him going by the mechanics area

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on the last lap. and just immediately

5:59

took off and got away from him.

6:01

Then he sort of jumped over Justin

6:03

Barcelona for fourth on what was the

6:06

other Supercross Triple slash double before the...

6:08

non-woops and then Kenny stalled his bike

6:10

coming out of the whoops onto the

6:12

start straight and I think Someone has

6:14

a video of it, but you can

6:17

see web going by Kenny kicking his

6:19

bike And that's how he got in

6:21

the third place and then yeah his

6:23

last lap was insanely good for the

6:25

conditions that they were in at that

6:28

time But within Yeah, maybe 25 30

6:30

seconds Webb's entire night went from as

6:32

you said losing points to gaining a

6:34

decent amount over sex and the championship.

6:36

And I think the biggest bummer is

6:39

really that might be that might be

6:41

the biggest like turning point in terms

6:43

of championship. Like we might go back

6:45

and say he could have won the

6:47

title right there and no one's gonna

6:49

have any idea what it looked like

6:52

because we don't have any footage of

6:54

it. Well, yes, there's a lot of

6:56

turning points for chase in this championship,

6:58

but on the opposing side, if or

7:00

when web wins this championship. I personally

7:03

will look at Foxborough as a moment

7:05

that he won it. That was when

7:07

he put his flag in the moon

7:09

or whatever you want to, whatever analogy

7:11

you want to use. Yeah, and again,

7:14

maybe they show this, I don't really

7:16

know, but he was jumping the finish

7:18

line double for most of the main

7:20

event. I mean, they did nine laps

7:22

and he was doing it six times,

7:25

seven times, something like that. I want

7:27

to say he basically did it every

7:29

time that. double that used to be

7:31

the triple before the mechanics area and

7:33

he was I think the only guy

7:35

doing that other double in the back

7:38

of the track where that old triple

7:40

used to be as well so I

7:42

don't know what happened that lit under

7:44

a fire under him I mean even

7:46

said when he almost landed on Justin

7:49

Cooper that that's when he almost kind

7:51

of locked in a little bit more

7:53

but an incredible performance by Webley in

7:55

that race that did numbers. So I

7:57

would agree to me that's probably the

8:00

biggest winner in terms of a championship

8:02

perspective, like you said. But I want

8:04

to actually pivot for just a second

8:06

and actually talk about the chaos of

8:08

the 250 class because so suddenly Chance

8:11

Hymis is. definitely back in this championship.

8:13

RJ is three out, Hammaker and Vial

8:15

are tied to top the championship standings.

8:17

Nate Thrasher's only 10 back. We kind

8:19

of have to talk about that even

8:22

though he had a horrible night. Like

8:24

there's so much to unpack from that

8:26

alone that I kind of want to

8:28

start there. So is this is this

8:30

the biggest what? Help me with this.

8:32

What's up? So I don't. So yes,

8:35

I too saw that Nate Thrasher was

8:37

10 back. Because I published that somewhere

8:39

where I have to list the results.

8:41

But if you go to the championship

8:43

standings now, Nate Thrasher is behind Cullen

8:46

Park in 6th place, 18 back. Yeah,

8:48

where did it? So where? But there's

8:50

no penalty listed. So but I certainly

8:52

saw so I thought that I just

8:54

made a really dumb boneheaded mistake with

8:57

where I published these championship standings No,

8:59

I think on TV they showed it

9:01

that way too Well you saw where

9:03

I got the championship standings from when

9:05

I was publishing this I understand that

9:08

but I'm almost positive on the big

9:10

screen too because I think I double-checked

9:12

when they did the big screen championship

9:14

update In the stadium that Nate was

9:16

listed ten back as well Well the

9:18

live timing, the live timing was haywire

9:21

so I'm guessing that it was just

9:23

a result of that being a little

9:25

bit screwed up and then once they

9:27

did the manual lap scoring they kind

9:29

of rejigged some positions like maybe Thrasher

9:32

crossed the finish behind seventh place on

9:34

track so was credited with eight when

9:36

actually he was a lap down but

9:38

for some reason that wasn't picked up

9:40

by the transponder or whatever else. Four

9:43

laps. I think we are, I don't

9:45

think we're going to get to a

9:47

resolution for this. No, but did a

9:49

random 228 in the middle of that.

9:51

Super long fifth second. No, I'm glad

9:54

you mentioned that because I was wondering,

9:56

I have actually been wondering if I

9:58

was going crazy or not. Never mind,

10:00

forget about thrashing for a second. We

10:02

have four guys within. Is this where

10:05

we go back and look at him

10:07

losing this championship, I guess? Is this,

10:09

okay, so Vial was running, what, fourth,

10:11

fifth, or ever, and then crashed with

10:13

two to go and ends up with

10:15

no points, even though he sort of

10:18

finished the race? Is this where we

10:20

go back and look at him losing

10:22

this championship, I guess? Obviously a very

10:24

positive guy as everyone knows so from

10:26

my from my perspective. I just look

10:29

at 250 east as the Al effectively

10:31

D&F even though he didn't and didn't

10:33

lose the red plate Hampshire had a

10:35

terrible night but somehow gained ground and

10:37

Hamaker was ninth and somehow is now

10:40

got the red plate. So I'm like

10:42

hey you're all You all could be

10:44

off a lot worse, so just take

10:46

it and run away from Foxborough's mother.

10:48

You know, like it could have been

10:51

so... All of those guys with their

10:53

respective results could have been eliminated from

10:55

title contention. Like, had Vial finished in

10:57

445th and Hammacko's ninth, that would have

10:59

pushed him to 20 back, 18 back,

11:02

so that would have probably screwed him.

11:04

Hampshire certainly shouldn't have gained ground with

11:06

a 15th place, and Vial probably should

11:08

have, as you said had his championship

11:10

ruined with a... Not a D&F, but

11:12

effectively a D&F. So I feel like

11:15

they can all count their blessings somewhat.

11:17

Leaving Foxborough. So then is the biggest

11:19

winner of the 250 class chance I

11:21

miss? I mean, he wins a race,

11:23

but suddenly, like I said, he's really

11:26

back in this title thing. And he

11:28

even said, I think, post-race, that he

11:30

was definitely in the mindset of like,

11:32

I'm not going to win this title,

11:34

I'm going to move to fully outdoor

11:37

testing, and now I have to change

11:39

back a back a little bit. Yeah,

11:41

I was actually going to say exactly

11:43

that. He did a lot of interviews

11:45

on press day and in mind he

11:48

said that in a weird way after

11:50

Daytona when he was really in title

11:52

contention, he was never meant to be

11:54

there, he wasn't ready for that, he

11:56

didn't know how to handle it, he

11:58

wasn't... developed enough in Supercross to challenge

12:01

for the title and in a weird

12:03

way it was a blessing to kind

12:05

of have that taken away because he

12:07

could take a step back and take

12:09

the necessary steps to learn. Well fast

12:12

forward 24 hours and all of that's

12:14

out the window and he's now back

12:16

in title contention. He did say to

12:18

me after the race that he feels

12:20

like the indie crash the Birmingham struggles

12:23

and all of the test track days

12:25

in between have... caused him to make

12:27

marked progress from Daytona to now. So

12:29

he does feel as though he's better

12:31

off for that championship wise. But yeah,

12:34

a really wild timeline for Highmas from

12:36

barely making the first round to being

12:38

a title contender out of nowhere, to

12:40

then having the title contender status ripped

12:42

from you and having to deal with

12:45

that heartbreak, to now being back into

12:47

title contender Yeah, that in itself is

12:49

wild. Okay. The last thing I'll ask

12:51

you then about winners and losers is,

12:53

who is this like the, again, going

12:55

back to the Jacob Marsak Award, who

12:58

is this the coolest for? Like, is

13:00

this the most memorable moment of Cullen

13:02

Park's career? Gage Lindville, Justin Roddbell getting

13:04

forth, you go to the 450 class,

13:06

Logan Leitzler, who has never even been

13:09

in a main event, gets ninth. Like,

13:11

where, when we're 10 years down the

13:13

road from now, and we look back

13:15

at these results, Probably Gage Linville. Or,

13:17

you know, Gage Linville maybe, but dare

13:20

I say Shane Makaraf because this may

13:22

be his one and only podium of

13:24

his 450 career, and maybe in 10

13:26

years you forget that Shane Makaraf had

13:28

a podium, and then you're like, oh

13:31

yeah, he did. Mm-hmm. No, that's actually

13:33

a good pull right there. I am

13:35

naive in believing that Shane can do

13:37

this again next week. in the mud.

13:39

Oh no, of course he can, he

13:42

could win next week. That's what I'm

13:44

saying, yeah. So maybe this isn't his

13:46

only podium, but yeah, what a wild

13:48

night for sure and, you know, obviously

13:50

shout out AP and. and hymus we're

13:52

getting the win but there's a lot

13:55

of Really cool story lines all throughout

13:57

the field here and just trying to

13:59

give a little fair shake to everyone

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so congrats to him. Yeah, congrats to

14:28

him. He said something quite weird in

14:30

my post-race interview. He said something along

14:32

the lines of, that was a season

14:34

best finisher so you said, and I

14:36

said to him that something like is

14:38

it weird for you to be stood

14:41

here celebrating an eighth place, like does

14:43

that feel counterintuitive? And I can't remember

14:45

the direct quote, but he said something

14:47

along the lines of... You know, I'm

14:49

starting to realize that like I'm getting

14:52

older and you know like it whatever

14:54

he said basically made me go think

14:56

that he's basically had an epiphany of

14:58

like The dream is dead a little

15:00

bit. Yeah, which is which is maybe

15:03

a bit over and over reaction from

15:05

my side to take that, but that's

15:07

at least what I picked up from

15:09

what he was putting down. No, actually,

15:11

I'm thinking back, I listen to your

15:14

interview now, and even he said that

15:16

he's been talking a lot with Justin

15:18

Bogle about appreciating results like this too.

15:20

So yeah, and obviously Bogle's pretty much

15:22

now fully retired. I mean, he still

15:25

races reen across, but we haven't seen

15:27

him in Supercross in a while. You're

15:29

right. Why does colt look so big

15:31

on a Suzuki? He looks like very

15:33

just big and stocky and us I

15:35

don't understand. I don't know he's not

15:38

very tall like it's not like he's

15:40

tall than Chis but he just looks

15:42

But Chis to be fair does also

15:44

kind of look big on a Suzuki

15:46

and Roxen's a bit of a small

15:49

bike. No, but Roxan's a bit of

15:51

a shorter So maybe aesthetically we're just

15:53

kind of used to rocks it on

15:55

a Suzuki and and then you see

15:57

those two and you're like oh my

16:00

god They're huge. And also maybe I

16:02

think the Fox gear is a tighter

16:04

fit than the Leak kit So maybe

16:06

that aesthetically spurs that comparison even more

16:08

so yeah, but the Leak kid's still

16:11

pretty solid. I like it well If

16:13

you want to talk about a Leat

16:15

a lot of MX GP success for

16:17

them over the weekend, so all around

16:19

the world and I wonder how Dr.

16:21

Chris is doing Yeah, we need to

16:24

get a Dr. Chris update, because you've

16:26

now mentioned his name like four times

16:28

on the show, so... You've got to

16:30

track him down for us, Liz. Maybe

16:32

you could do like a long-lost families

16:35

thing, where on this show you could

16:37

be like a now for our next

16:39

topic. We need to bring in a

16:41

special guest, and I have no idea,

16:43

and then you connect us. Maybe on

16:46

behalf of this show, like the finding

16:48

Stouve log that Stephen A. We could

16:50

do, we do, finding Dr. How could

16:52

he forget. This is what

16:54

keeps me awake at night. Yes. Okay,

16:57

let's move on to our second topic

16:59

of the day. So from this entire

17:01

process, we had a very weird schedule

17:04

in Foxborough. They started by pushing for,

17:06

or canceling free practice. I'm sorry, it

17:08

was supposed to start at, it was

17:11

supposed to start a little early. 1130,

17:13

I think, or something like that because

17:15

SMX next. So it wasn't our usual

17:17

start time anyway. But by Friday at

17:20

like 3 p.m. they'd already canceled free

17:22

practice. And so the earliest we were

17:24

going to start was around one something

17:27

for qualifying. And then pretty quickly we

17:29

woke up on Saturday morning and they'd

17:31

already pushed out one qualifying session out

17:33

and we only had one quality session

17:36

left and they crammed an hours worth

17:38

of qualifying sessions together at 3 to

17:40

4 p.m. What ended up happening. that

17:43

I feel like is an interesting discussion

17:45

topic because I had guys post race

17:47

in the 250 class talking to me

17:50

about this was the A guys went

17:52

out last of the 250s we had

17:54

had SMX next, then we had CBA,

17:56

which is how it always goes. So

17:59

a lot of riders were feeling at

18:01

the weekend, Kellen. What? CBA. Okay, anyway.

18:03

Anyway, so we had the groups go

18:06

as normal. This is not new, like

18:08

they didn't change the groups to fit

18:10

something, you know. help those guys out

18:12

or this is how it always goes.

18:15

But what it created as a bit

18:17

of a problem was that the A

18:19

guys had by far the worst track

18:22

like just an awful race track to

18:24

go out on and all the B

18:26

guys who ended up qualifying one through

18:29

nine I believe Mark Finn has put

18:31

it on pole position from B. They

18:33

did their best laps like right at

18:35

the start of B like the very

18:38

first lap or two of B and

18:40

then the track started getting awful after

18:42

that. But again, there was A guys

18:45

that did not make the night show.

18:47

Hardy Munoz, Isaiah Clark, Michael Hicks, Chandler

18:49

Baker, who our main event, Guys, did

18:51

not even make the night show in

18:54

Foxborough. Is this a real problem? Because

18:56

again, it did allow some B guys

18:58

that normally don't have success to have

19:01

really good success. Or is this just

19:03

a circumstantial thing and there's nothing we

19:05

can do about it and blah blah

19:07

blah blah blah blah blah? Well if

19:10

you flip it. Then you're going to

19:12

have a lot of C&B guys complaining

19:14

that they have no shot and don't

19:17

have a chance in hell, which if

19:19

the harsh reality is for some of

19:21

them, they don't have a chance in

19:24

hell anyway, no matter the conditions. So

19:26

do you prioritize the best riders, which

19:28

you should always do, because the best

19:30

riders are the foundation of this series,

19:33

or do you just rely on the

19:35

fact that the best riders will always

19:37

come through, which for the most part

19:40

is what happened. with the current format.

19:42

This comes back to an issue with

19:44

our sport and once again my favorite.

19:46

line of the blurred lines where in

19:49

any other professional race series you just

19:51

have the best you don't have guys

19:53

just trying to make it but we

19:56

have to kind of manage both which

19:58

I don't really know if there in

20:00

these conditions if there's a good solution

20:03

for that. I mean you can see

20:05

how it could have been worse because

20:07

look of the SMX next times compared

20:09

to 450A even. So, although it was

20:12

a touch and go situation, it clearly

20:14

could have been much worse with maybe

20:16

extra bikes on track or slightly different

20:19

spacing between sessions, whatever else. I don't

20:21

know if there is a solution. I

20:23

don't know if there needs to be

20:25

a solution. But I do believe that

20:28

no matter what, you always prioritize the

20:30

stars of the sport, because ultimately, to

20:32

put it extremely bluntly, the reason that

20:35

all of us are there from fans

20:37

to the AMA to... Media to teams

20:39

of for the best riders like if

20:42

the sea guy feels like he's been

20:44

screwed. Sorry. You're lucky to be here

20:46

anyway Could it be as simple as

20:48

this this will I I still think

20:51

this would still piss off the B

20:53

and C guys But I think that

20:55

this is a simple solution in the

20:58

future when this thing happens Maybe what

21:00

you do is you just say the

21:02

A guys which they're in A because

21:04

they were more than likely already they

21:07

made the last main event that was

21:09

available, which is Birmingham, or they're just

21:11

top 22 in points. It depends. Sometimes

21:14

some guys don't get in. There's a

21:16

weird stipulation with that. But in this

21:18

situation, I think it's acceptable in my

21:20

opinion to say the A group riders

21:23

are auto-seeded into the night show. They

21:25

still will qualify and they're qualifying will

21:27

determine seating for gate selection, but they're

21:30

auto-seeded in. and then C and B

21:32

are having the true shootout to make

21:34

it into the night show from that

21:37

point. Because then you're not screwing anyone

21:39

over, the A guys aren't out there

21:41

panicking, sending... it in the mud trying

21:43

to get just one Hail Mary Laptic

21:46

finish 35th in qualifying. And they're rewarded

21:48

as well for having already made races

21:50

in the past because like I said

21:53

I think it's a tad unfair that

21:55

guys like Hardy and Isaiah Clark and

21:57

those they're good enough to go to

21:59

every race and make it straight up

22:02

in and then they get shafted this

22:04

weekend for traveling all the way up

22:06

to Foxborough to then have the third

22:09

qualifying. What number did you say would

22:11

be seated? Just the A group. into

22:13

the night show. Into the night show.

22:16

Okay, yeah. Autos automatically makes it to

22:18

the night show. Yeah, I think that's

22:20

fine. But then also if you do

22:22

that, you end up in a dangerous

22:25

position where, um, okay, so what, okay,

22:27

so that's how new starts. Now, if

22:29

it starts to rain ever so slightly,

22:32

do the team managers demand that when

22:34

really it's not actually needed? You know,

22:36

like, how do you quantify when that

22:38

comes into place? Here's how you quantify

22:41

it. If there's one qualifying session. Which

22:43

means that they have had a situation

22:45

similar to this, where there's weather involved

22:48

or who knows, maybe it's like the

22:50

stadium lights are out, but there's only

22:52

one opportunity, one qualifying session that you

22:55

can make it in, that's when this

22:57

rule kicks in. Not if there's two

22:59

sessions, if there's two sessions, then for

23:01

yourself, bro, sorry. But if there's only

23:04

one opportunity and you don't have anything

23:06

to fall back on, because again, you

23:08

know, this didn't happen. But say for

23:11

example, Hammaker goes out there and, you

23:13

know, goes through the first corner and

23:15

then like the bike, you know, just

23:17

locks up or something like that. Maybe

23:20

the chain falls off, let's say, which

23:22

is just like a weird anomaly that

23:24

can sometimes happen. He's out. He's out.

23:27

He'll try to get him to roll

23:29

back to the pits and maybe if

23:31

they can somehow find the, if the

23:34

master link fell off or if they

23:36

got a new chain ready to go

23:38

right there. But then they'd have to

23:40

push the axle forward. up in the

23:43

year situation to then just throw an

23:45

opportunity out the window for the championship

23:47

to stay alive. Like I get it,

23:50

everyone else to qualify in fairly. If

23:52

you have the unforeseen circumstances that they

23:54

have to cancel every single one but

23:56

one qualifying session, maybe this is when

23:59

this auto seating rule takes place. Yeah,

24:01

I think that's fair to a degree.

24:03

I do think that's fair. I do

24:06

think that's fair. And like I say,

24:08

if anyone in B or C complains,

24:10

sorry guys, be better. Make you become

24:12

a star of a sport. Exactly. That's

24:15

what I mean. Like, make the main

24:17

event two weeks ago in Birmingham. If

24:19

you want to be auto seated seated

24:22

in at Fox. Of course you could

24:24

argue, no I'm trying to think of

24:26

a scenario where a factory rider is

24:29

maybe in B but the only way

24:31

is if someone is returning from injury

24:33

and if that's the case they're not

24:35

in championship contention anyway so who cares?

24:38

Right so I think you reward the

24:40

guys a little bit that have done

24:42

the work to this point to be

24:45

consistent main event staples and unfortunately four

24:47

guys kind of in my opinion got

24:49

screwed this weekend. But okay, I've come

24:51

up with a counter. Okay. What if

24:54

you are 17th in points, but you've

24:56

missed the last two mains, so you've

24:58

been pushed back to be... Well, I

25:01

think... But I think that they still...

25:03

Like, I'm pretty sure they still let

25:05

some of those guys in. Yeah, I

25:08

don't know. To be honest, I'm confused

25:10

with the 80. I don't remember the

25:12

exact rule, but it's definitely like if

25:14

you've made the last two main events,

25:17

you're automatically in, and then yeah, if

25:19

you're in a certain... Spot of the

25:21

points you're in as well because I

25:24

mean like there's guys like Levi kitchen

25:26

for example who are still top 20

25:28

in points I believe and not There

25:30

so there's guys of 24 points that

25:33

are there anyway But yeah, that's I

25:35

don't know. It's maybe a topic that

25:37

doesn't deserve that much in-depth analysis of

25:40

it But having spoken to Hammaker and

25:42

hymus and these guys that knew they

25:44

needed a Hail Mary a lap it

25:47

was certainly It was a touch and

25:49

go situation for them and you know

25:51

hymest even well we were we were

25:53

up there hymest was definitely lead out

25:56

until like two minutes to go. Yeah,

25:58

well yeah, the hours on the bubble

26:00

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26:03

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26:42

my last topic of the day Lewis,

26:44

we are about to roll into more

26:46

than likely another one of these coming

26:48

up in Philadelphia. I actually haven't checked

26:51

the weather of late, so it may

26:53

not be this way. Yeah, it's going

26:55

to be terrible. Was it that said

26:58

that said that said that said that...

27:00

You were saying post race that this

27:02

is Philly's gonna make Foxborough look dry

27:04

Yes, that's what people are saying like

27:07

that's the vibe I'm getting from what

27:09

the way people are talking about a

27:11

forecast rainfall Right, so we definitely have

27:14

Some semblance of at least this maybe

27:16

coming up again and wouldn't you know

27:18

it? It's a showdown this weekend. So

27:21

now we're throwing the entire 250 championship

27:23

on the track to try to figure

27:25

this thing out and we just saw

27:27

how much It sort of affected this

27:30

East Championship without affecting it in a

27:32

way because all the top guys except

27:34

Highmas had bad nights So does this

27:37

totally throw a wrench in 250 West

27:39

like deacons up what? 17 18 on

27:41

bomer right now But 10 14 then

27:43

Davies is 20 back. Yes Does anything

27:46

change here or is this like nah

27:48

deacons got this we're fine I mean

27:50

I can't I mean if I'm betting

27:53

on Degan or Juju in the mud

27:55

I'm betting on Degan, but I can't

27:57

recall any great Degan mud rides probably

28:00

because he's not... long enough for us

28:02

to actually have one of those. Um,

28:04

can you think of one? We

28:06

haven't had one outdoors in

28:08

a while, so that's out.

28:11

And he was East Coast

28:13

last year, which is mainly

28:15

domes. So like, Man Mudder

28:17

and stuff wasn't him and...

28:20

Didn't High Point... Two years

28:22

ago, last year, not last

28:24

year, two years ago, rained?

28:27

I don't know. It was a long

28:29

time ago. But yeah, I can't

28:31

recall any epic Degan mud rides,

28:33

but still I would bet on

28:36

him over Judeo purely because he's

28:38

a better outdoor rider, better in

28:40

the rutted conditions. But as we've

28:42

seen, if it's going to be

28:45

like Foxborough, it comes down to

28:47

a game of chance and a

28:49

game of luck. So I guess

28:51

it's impossible to really say, but

28:53

I will back Degan in

28:55

this situation. some of my

28:57

video footage for his blog

28:59

without written permission. Well, we'll

29:01

wait for the subpoena to hit

29:03

at the star rig on Friday. I

29:06

guess I'm now just deep in, I'm

29:08

now just one of the Diggs main

29:10

one of the Diggs. Okay, so we

29:12

think that, you know, Digan should be

29:15

okay with this, but on the flip

29:17

side of this, This could be a

29:19

golden opportunity for bow mayor to walk

29:21

back into this championship. This is as

29:23

we saw with hymis could be an

29:26

opportunity for cold davies or someone else

29:28

is like 28 back, but I mean, obviously

29:30

it's pretty far, but yeah,

29:32

Jordan, no, Jordan's further back, Joe,

29:34

oh, probably Joe, yeah, so Japanese are

29:37

good in the mud. Okay. So for

29:39

them, this is a golden opportunity that

29:41

could present itself. Do either these guys

29:43

that we're mentioning here, that we're mentioning

29:45

here. in your opinion actually do shine

29:47

through like you say deacon will be

29:49

fine but deacon being fine could still

29:51

be sixth are any of these other

29:53

guys gonna maybe go win this race

29:55

who knows all of them can win it's a

29:57

game of chance we just had gauge livville

29:59

on the podium, but what I

30:02

hope before is that your previous

30:04

topic, how does that go at

30:06

a showdown? Because there will be

30:08

factory riders who miss the night

30:10

show with that format. That has

30:12

to be. Yeah, I mean, they're

30:15

gonna put east and west back

30:17

to back. It's a, so like,

30:19

which means. We still do we

30:21

still combine the times? I feel

30:23

like we don't combine. I feel

30:25

hold on. Let me tell you

30:28

know you're right because they pull

30:30

out separate seated heat races, right?

30:32

It's West and heat races. Yes,

30:34

I think they combine the qualifying

30:36

separately. There's an overflow group. And

30:38

then East and West. So there's

30:40

still three sessions. The Indianapolis for

30:43

250 combined qualifying results were just.

30:45

First aid in deacons seconds, but

30:47

then how would you have? But

30:49

that's but that's combined qualifying because

30:51

then if you go look at

30:53

the heat races There's obviously there's

30:56

no way. There's 20 in each

30:58

so Okay, so that that should

31:00

be fine I don't see a

31:02

situation where guys don't make it

31:04

in necessarily okay, certainly there will

31:06

be factory riders who miss from

31:09

Maine Yeah, definitely if you if

31:11

you look at the East Main

31:13

event from this past weekend Hampshire

31:15

is not in the main Yeah,

31:18

but I guess those two are

31:20

the only ones. The math thrashers

31:22

not in the main, Volans not

31:24

in the main, like those are

31:26

all important people. Let me just

31:28

explain the weather situation real quick

31:30

because we kind of just glossed

31:32

over it It's a 45% chance

31:34

of rain Thursday, and here's where

31:36

the real problem lies It's an

31:38

85% chance of rain Friday and

31:40

a 60% chance of rain on

31:42

Saturday But that's only just 60%

31:45

chance of rain on Saturday, but

31:47

that's only just 60% chance of

31:49

rain on Saturday, but that's only

31:51

just 60% chance of rain on

31:53

Saturday that rain will be falling

31:55

which is pretty much exactly what

31:57

it's 60% chance from 2 p.m.

31:59

and it rained the rest of

32:01

the day pretty much. So yeah

32:03

and also Friday was fine in

32:05

Foxborough but I think Friday is

32:07

also bad in Philadelphia. That's what

32:09

I said yeah 85% it's gonna

32:11

rain all day Friday in Philly

32:13

so we are yeah gonna be

32:15

lucky I mean to be honest

32:17

like in a way do you

32:19

think that because this is just

32:21

gonna be such a you know

32:23

shit show for a better lack

32:25

of a better word that they

32:27

just pull the tarps right away

32:29

on Saturday morning and we just

32:31

have mud. qualifying. Well I think

32:33

we have to isn't it's an

32:35

NBC show? No I'm not saying

32:37

that we like like don't race

32:39

or whatever I'm saying that we

32:41

will have like a normal schedule.

32:43

Yeah I think they would cancel

32:45

free practice still but maybe two

32:47

quality sessions. Well who knows it's

32:49

it is a day race which

32:51

also obviously affects If the sun

32:53

comes out at any time, it

32:55

could drive the track a little

32:57

bit. I mean, it's going to

32:59

be screwed anyway, but... Really optimistic.

33:01

I don't know what else could

33:03

be. I'm just trying, like, in

33:05

the night, the sun isn't going

33:07

to come out and dry the

33:09

track in Foxborough. It just made

33:11

everything stickier. So... Yeah, but actually,

33:13

you know what, the Philadelphia forecast

33:15

is actually... You know what, what,

33:17

I've just felt suddenly become much

33:19

more positive that Philadelphia will be

33:21

better than Foxborough, despite the fact

33:23

that we'll have more rain. Yeah,

33:25

well, I won't get as sticky

33:27

as Foxborough for sure. To me,

33:29

I think that this is just

33:32

going to be like a complete

33:34

crapshoot. Like, we may have two

33:36

completely different red plate holders. Then

33:38

we already have two red plate

33:40

holders in East. We may have

33:42

two completely different red plate holders

33:44

in east and west after this

33:46

somehow some way Because that's how

33:48

wild it's about to be in

33:50

Philadelphia. I mean, let's let's pull

33:52

one out for Max Anstey who

33:54

This is just playing into his

33:56

wheelhouse. This is this would have

33:58

been lights out championship wise. I

34:00

think I think I saw you

34:02

I was texting him Saturday, was

34:04

there a chance that he was

34:06

going to take some painkillers and

34:08

come off the couch? Oh, look

34:10

at Kellen, just reading my text

34:12

and then outing him. I was

34:14

curious about what you guys are

34:16

talking about. Uh, no, just, he

34:18

was watching the race. Oh, okay.

34:20

So he doesn't actually wish he

34:22

was there. Well, he's got a

34:24

broken leg, Kevin. Oh, I don't

34:26

know. Jeffrey Hollings. He was a

34:28

broken leg. That's much different. It's

34:30

a femur. He's got a rod

34:32

in his femur. What was it?

34:34

Five weeks removed from surgery. Back

34:36

is only two weeks. Yeah, okay.

34:38

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34:40

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34:42

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35:08

mud prep? Because I got a

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little bit of a low down

35:12

from factory mechanics on what they

35:14

do on the bike, but you

35:17

know, suspension wise. Do we have

35:19

seal savers on there? Do we

35:21

have anything else that, you know,

35:23

prevents mud from getting in the

35:25

depths of your valves? Anyway. Hmm.

35:27

Yeah. Interesting. What do you got

35:29

from your big Lou? Well, fuck,

35:31

how much longer can we talk

35:33

about a mud? I kind of

35:35

feel like I'm just spinning the

35:37

wheels here and kind of rehashing

35:39

almost what you said a little

35:41

bit. But I think the San

35:43

Francisco looked epic because it kept

35:45

raining similar to what Philadelphia should

35:47

do. The riders were moving faster,

35:49

the rain lashing down made for

35:51

fantastic television shots, photos, etc. Foxborough

35:53

just looked like... a

35:55

muddy mess. So is

35:57

that like... Is

36:00

it good for us? But do

36:03

we look like monster jam? Well,

36:05

I mean to your point that

36:07

you just said at the end

36:09

of that last topic, we're about

36:11

to have this live on NBC,

36:13

aren't we? Yes, well I believe

36:16

it's an NBC show. I think

36:18

that's why it's a day race.

36:20

Or is it New York that

36:22

is on NBC because that's also

36:24

a day race? I don't know

36:27

how to find out either. But

36:29

I'll broadcast schedule. Serious sex.

36:31

Oh no it does say NBC. NBC.

36:33

Yep. NBC. Yay. This is our sport

36:35

people is what's going to look like.

36:38

Also not anyone cares but race day

36:40

life starts at 930 a.m. Which must

36:42

mean practice is at like 8 a.m.

36:44

Free practice and I'm not a great

36:46

morning person. Well I mean that's what

36:49

I said like maybe it's a good

36:51

thing we get some cancer stuff on

36:53

Saturday. Anyway, does it like first of

36:55

all is there anything we can do

36:57

because in F1 in motor GP they

37:00

can pull riders drivers into the pit

37:02

lane and sit them there for an

37:04

hour and wait for the conditions to

37:06

get better? We can't do that if

37:08

we did that it would look even

37:10

more like a couch show. So is

37:13

it just what we are? Because realistically

37:15

if someone turns that on we look

37:17

like some sort of track to pulling

37:19

yard sale Nitrous circus barn dance. Is

37:21

that not what we are though? I

37:24

don't know. I don't know. But there's

37:26

nothing you can do is there? So

37:28

it's a moot point. There's nothing you

37:30

can do. No, I think that the

37:32

only thing you really can do from

37:35

like, you know, an aesthetics on NBC

37:37

standpoint, I think that you genuinely next

37:39

week need to lean into whoever is

37:41

part of the broadcast crew. If it's

37:43

Ricky, if it's, you know, get JB

37:46

involved, like get all these X-pros-pros involved

37:48

to really. emphasize how gnarly this is,

37:50

like from an athletic standpoint, so that

37:52

it makes it sound, as you say,

37:54

less class. show and more like oh

37:57

my gosh we're throwing the worst conditions

37:59

at some of the best athletes in

38:01

the world and this is what it

38:03

looks like because otherwise you're right it

38:05

does look very clown showish yeah I

38:08

said it about Seattle didn't I like

38:10

we could really appreciate Seattle because we

38:12

can understand the technicality and just how

38:14

much of a challenge that was whereas

38:16

to any even though Seattle was joy

38:19

to a new fan Seattle just look

38:21

like a very slow event and they

38:23

look like they all sucked because why

38:25

are they going so slow? Why aren't

38:27

they jump? Why isn't everyone jumping onto

38:30

the table like Chase? Foxborough, even worse,

38:32

it looked like World War II with

38:34

smoke bombs going off, looked like they

38:36

were bland mines around the track. It

38:38

really did probably look like nitrous circus

38:41

to people. So I don't know, but

38:43

again, I think that Foxborough will be

38:45

much worse than what Philadelphia will be

38:47

from an optics point of view because...

38:49

They should be able to tell who

38:51

the riders are easier because the rain

38:54

will keep the Gear clearer See about

38:56

it see number plates Yeah, well it

38:58

can't be worse can it? No, it

39:00

can't be worse, but I don't think

39:02

that it like I would not say

39:05

you're gonna see people better You'll be

39:07

able to pick people out slightly better,

39:09

which will make for a better show

39:11

The worst thing ever is Hampshire and

39:13

Hammack are both being just complete head-to-toe

39:16

brown the entire race because it was

39:18

tough to tell Who they were because

39:20

for us it's easy when you they

39:22

go by and you look at the

39:24

back of the Jersey, but nothing you

39:27

could do about those Yeah, you know

39:29

what actually I would like to retract

39:31

my statement from the start of the

39:33

podcast. I think it was a very

39:35

good job. We were there. Yeah, because

39:38

I do think we saw a lot

39:40

Maybe more than a dry race than

39:42

you would see on TV. So I'd

39:44

like to say that actually I'm glad

39:46

we went But yeah, there's nothing we

39:49

can do is there because like I

39:51

said with those F1 and motor GP

39:53

examples We can't do anything like that.

39:55

No, and even if you delay the

39:57

scale or bring the schedule forward, you've

40:00

got a muddy racetrack. Like that's what

40:02

we've got. There's no way to fix

40:04

this. This is where I think, if

40:06

you're thinking of it from an NBC

40:08

TV standpoint, this is where you can

40:11

really borderline become what NASCAR has always

40:13

been really good at. You need to

40:15

have JT or Will or whoever's a

40:17

floor reporter this upcoming weekend. Be in

40:19

the pits constantly and throw it to

40:22

them. constantly, not during the race, but

40:24

away from the race, about what's going

40:26

on, who's prepping, who's doing what, like

40:28

how was this, you know, during the

40:30

motto and stuff like that, because in

40:32

NASCAR, they're so good about during weather

40:35

delays, just talking to everybody. Just get

40:37

as many possible interviews as possible. And

40:39

I think that's what you gotta do.

40:41

Like you just gotta be in the

40:43

pits constantly talking to people, getting stories

40:46

like that throughout the race to make

40:48

it more entertaining. Yeah, and I think

40:50

it'd be interesting to talk about different

40:52

whole-shot device options, different scoo, who's thinking

40:54

about the scoop tire, who's not thinking

40:57

about the scoop tire, wiping down the

40:59

glass, you put on your goggles over

41:01

the roll-offs, doing double goggles before the

41:03

start of a motto, like, yeah. Wiping

41:05

down the plastic on the gate, who

41:08

does that, who doesn't do that, there's

41:10

lots of intricacies to mud prep, which

41:12

we are going to get a bucket

41:14

load this weekend, because we're going to

41:16

be sat in the press box box

41:19

box box with Max Ansti. Yes, let

41:21

me tell you, he's aggressive with his,

41:23

they need to do that and then

41:25

you need to do that, he's got

41:27

a 10-step process to a mud race.

41:30

So, yeah. But no, I guess back

41:32

to my original point, there is just

41:34

nothing we can do. But does it

41:36

look good or actually is it better

41:38

for us because it's a chaos of

41:41

it? I mean, to be honest with

41:43

you why I wanted to talk about...

41:45

Well, I mean, we almost had a

41:47

discussion about stadium selection because that's been

41:49

a hot button topic the last couple

41:52

days about people saying like, why are

41:54

we not going to Mercedes-Benz stadium in

41:56

Alabama? or in Atlanta, or why are

41:58

we not going to the Superdome in

42:00

New Orleans? Because these are dome stadiums.

42:02

And there's better weather in other parts

42:05

of the country right now. But this

42:07

is just circumstantial. And like, it's just

42:09

the way that this sport works. Remember

42:11

last year, honestly, I want to bring

42:13

this up right now. Remember last year

42:16

when we had San Francisco, San Diego

42:18

motors back to back. And oh my

42:20

God, so many people were bitching. Why

42:22

are we going to open stadiums in

42:24

January? And it's like, because it's California,

42:27

bro, there's everywhere else it's snowing pretty

42:29

much right now. Like, so the fact

42:31

that we go this late in the

42:33

year, we're in April, going to the

42:35

Northeast race, is trying to get fans

42:38

to the races from up there. That's

42:40

the latest we can go, bro. Like,

42:42

we can go, like, we can go

42:44

early May, but it's still gonna be

42:46

the same-ish weather. Like, we're not going

42:49

in the summertime. Yeah. No, I do

42:51

agree. And it is part of our

42:53

sport is what makes our sport great,

42:55

that we have these elements, that we

42:57

brave them all. It's like Birmingham last

43:00

year, the first visit there. We prepped

43:02

for a epic mudder and it ended

43:04

up being a dry race. Like, you

43:06

can pivot, you can dive, you can

43:08

duck, you can dodge, you can... You

43:11

can try to predict what would be

43:13

the best place, the best time of

43:15

year, you can try to look at

43:17

the weather forecast and counter-act about it,

43:19

but ultimately, it's kind of just throwing

43:22

shit at a wall and seeing what

43:24

sticks. So, I don't know, but anyway.

43:26

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43:52

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43:54

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43:57

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43:59

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44:01

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44:03

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44:05

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44:08

Jack Chambers reverse order goes seven eight

44:10

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44:12

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44:14

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44:16

Philadelphia will be even an even bigger.

44:19

PRMX, um... Help, domination. Also, isn't Part

44:21

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44:23

made that up? I don't know. That's

44:25

a good question, actually. That's something I

44:27

should definitely know that I do not,

44:30

so my apologies. I feel fairly... No,

44:32

it's based in Georgia. I don't know

44:34

where I got that from. There you

44:36

go. My bad. But yeah, no. Great

44:38

stuff for PRMX, back this weekend, so

44:41

it's all coming up. It's all positive.

44:43

You talk to Chambers post-race? Kind of

44:45

like he was much more satisfied with

44:47

himself than he has been of late.

44:49

So good stuff. Yeah, he was actually

44:52

stoked with his seventh place as he

44:54

should be. He said for his MXGP

44:56

time really helps him out with mud

44:58

prep and understanding how to prepare for

45:00

those conditions, but also race them. So

45:03

he lent on that a lot. And

45:05

honestly, yes, it was a mutter, but

45:07

7th for Chambers is kind of closer

45:09

to where he should be anyway every

45:11

week. Okay, maybe 7th is the extreme

45:14

end, but he should be 10, 11,

45:16

12, I feel. Yeah, I do believe

45:18

that. So I don't even think the

45:20

7th is that shocking for Chambers. I

45:22

like in your interview that, like, you're

45:24

interviewing him and you're talking about it

45:27

and then he starts bringing up the

45:29

MX GP stuff and you're like, oh!

45:31

like you could you could hear the

45:33

perkiness in your voice like oh we're

45:35

talking about Europe okay I'm in well

45:38

let's like let's talk about um Hurlings.

45:40

It's interesting, yes. That's what we're having,

45:42

sure. No, that was, that's cool to

45:44

see and, you know, obviously cool that

45:46

Finn has put it on pull. Big

45:49

deal for PRMX, I'm sure. Yeah, we'll

45:51

see what, we'll see, it'll be very

45:53

interesting to see what Finnis does in

45:55

a dry, when we eventually get there,

45:57

which may, we may never, we may

46:00

not, we might, Paula, we'll see in

46:02

Paula. Yeah. Didn't didn't didn't you have

46:04

a didn't you have a PRMX news,

46:06

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46:22

is some interesting news I did not

46:24

expect it sounds like they are in

46:26

for all of outdoors this year not

46:28

going up to Canada like they normally

46:30

do so breaking news that that that

46:33

took me a back because I went

46:35

over to finish about to ask him

46:37

about like oh are you gonna race

46:39

in Canada or like what's the deal

46:41

like is this only supercross only and

46:44

then right before I was gonna interview

46:46

him I found out that they were

46:48

racing all the summer and I'm like

46:50

oh okay so this is actually perfect

46:52

for Mark to come over here but

46:55

Oh it did? No, he said it

46:57

did. Like he did. Like he didn't

46:59

explicitly say like I would not have

47:01

gone to Canada, but he's like I

47:03

definitely needed to go someplace that I

47:05

would continue racing the whole series. So.

47:08

What I like about Part Zilla is

47:10

they have a my garage option where

47:12

you can have your little bike set

47:14

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47:16

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47:19

your bike. I like that is awesome.

47:21

Yes. Props on me. What

47:24

do you got? Oh, my turn. It

47:26

is your turn? Yeah, this is your

47:29

part of the show. Well, again, bloody

47:31

hell. How many times can we spin

47:33

wheels with mud talk? But we are

47:35

in just a mud sandwich. Or a

47:38

stone spray sandwich, you could say. Um,

47:40

sorry. Um, so pre Foxborough, I think

47:42

we all would have said that Chase

47:45

was most likely to be the benefactor

47:47

of rain. Mainly because of San Fran,

47:49

but also East Rutherford in 2023, he

47:52

was good there as well. Fair, but

47:54

I think that most of us would

47:56

have picked Chase Over Web in the

47:59

mud. I put them more equal. and

48:01

that to be honest I don't like

48:03

I can't think of a web mud

48:05

ride apart from Foxborough now that stands

48:08

out to me the only time he's

48:10

when an AMA pro motto cross 450

48:12

race was a mud race yeah but

48:15

is that relevant as outdoors is that

48:17

really are we really leaning on also

48:19

was Millville that muddy it's pretty muddy

48:22

like it definitely was drier in the

48:24

second motto I guess Okay, well maybe

48:26

my point is moot. I think- Okay,

48:29

I mean, like, sure, from a recently

48:31

biased standpoint, yes, Chase is seemingly more

48:33

at home in the mud, if that's

48:35

what you would call it. Okay. So

48:38

my question here is now heading into

48:40

a Philadelphia mother with the Foxborough data.

48:42

Do we enter Philadelphia more concerned for

48:45

Chase, whereas maybe entering Foxborough, we were

48:47

more positive for Chase? Or do we

48:49

not care? Because at the end of

48:52

the day, it's not real racing. It's

48:54

a crap shoe. Anything can happen. They

48:56

could both do one too. They could

48:59

both not qualify. Who knows? No, I'm

49:01

not really that worried for Chase because

49:03

I think this goes one of two

49:05

ways. I think I think Foxborough was

49:08

the turning point. I think Philly is

49:10

either the nail in the coffin or

49:12

the championship completely reinvigorated. Like there's no

49:15

one way or the other. Oh yeah,

49:17

I think I think I think that

49:19

there's There's a world where Chase Sexton

49:22

has a horrible night and Webb is

49:24

now going to clinch this title around

49:26

early or another world where Webb has

49:29

a horrible night and Sexton is suddenly

49:31

either tied with him or has a

49:33

championship lead or something like that. I

49:35

kind of don't see a world where

49:38

like Sexton just gains three points. Well,

49:40

I would zero in on that even

49:42

more and say we're so on the

49:45

edge that if Webb wins and Chase

49:47

gets second, that's still pretty much championship

49:49

over because then it's 18 with four

49:52

to go. So yeah, I do really

49:54

feel like this is do or die

49:56

for the championship and chase has to

49:59

gain points if it's one point or

50:01

25 points, there has to be a

50:03

game this weekend. Otherwise, I don't see

50:05

how we can be sat here in

50:08

a week's time hyping up this championship

50:10

battle to the same degree. It will

50:12

be more like, let's run the races

50:15

and just see at that point. Are

50:17

you surprised at all in Foxborough that

50:19

Webb, his fall didn't affect him more?

50:22

I'm surprised how quickly he got up

50:24

from his fall. Yeah. It was like

50:26

Lincoln, he was up again. Did they

50:29

show it on the broadcast? I have

50:31

no idea. Honestly, I haven't watched a

50:33

race back and I'm not going to

50:36

because what am I going to learn

50:38

from that? Lap two? Was it? Lap

50:40

two of the main event. He tipped

50:42

over in the rhythm section before the

50:45

finish line jump like three jumps into

50:47

it and he was actually kind of

50:49

like perched awkwardly on the backside of

50:52

it. Like he wasn't fully down in

50:54

transition I think and yeah, you're right.

50:56

He picked the bike up in like

50:59

four seconds and was already going again.

51:01

I couldn't believe it. The rhythm section

51:03

before the finish was certainly his Achilles

51:06

Hill. He was maybe the slowest through

51:08

there, very concerned about that section, and

51:10

then rounded to 180 and turned into

51:12

Travis Pastrana. So a wild comparison of

51:15

scenarios there. No, but I

51:17

don't know like like I said, okay,

51:19

I guess talking personally with recently bias

51:21

of East Rutherford and San Fran I

51:23

was pretty certain that a mud race

51:26

would help or favor chase versus web

51:28

now going into Philadelphia I'm more like

51:30

Mmm, maybe chase would benefit from it

51:32

being dry Yeah, I agree because I

51:34

think as we spoke about before Birmingham

51:36

maybe no, I actually after Birmingham, right

51:38

After Birmingham I think you and I

51:40

both agree that Sexton is now back

51:43

to being the fastest rider in the

51:45

series and He hasn't converted on that

51:47

as he should in the last couple

51:49

of weeks But uh now we just

51:51

have nothing that benefits him. I feel

51:53

like because we thought as you said

51:55

the mud would be the benefit factor

51:57

and it's not. So he needs to

52:00

have races that play into his strengths

52:02

again and we might not have one

52:04

until Denver. It's just dumb though isn't

52:06

it because like we try to break

52:08

all of this down really it comes

52:10

down to a start look at chasing

52:12

that heat race. Okay ignore the main

52:14

event based on the heat race. Chase

52:17

is the best mud rider in a

52:19

series and web doesn't stand a chance

52:21

you know so it is just Circumstantial

52:23

in the mud is in like it

52:25

I feel dumb. I felt dumb doing

52:27

the vital Max post ratio and I

52:29

feel dumb doing this Okay, we can

52:31

try to break it down and dissect

52:34

it but ultimately is a crapshoot It

52:36

is circumstantial. I understand that and I

52:38

know that like it sounds like he

52:40

wasn't having bike problems But that to

52:42

me doesn't explain how he was pretty

52:44

early in the main event running like

52:46

fourth and just Barcelona and those guys

52:48

were working the speed that they were

52:51

going and he had clean air, if

52:53

that's what you want to call it,

52:55

because he wasn't close to them. And

52:57

he wasn't going the same, like, he

52:59

wasn't going as fast as he was

53:01

in the heat race. Sure, maybe, you

53:03

know, he had a bunch of mud

53:05

on him that he didn't have in

53:08

the heat race, but I just don't

53:10

feel like he was the same rider

53:12

in the main event. It is weird

53:14

when you look at his lap he

53:16

was stuck on the Finnish landing. Landing.

53:18

and then 204, so kind of never

53:20

got back, like that, again, kind of

53:22

crucial in mud momentum, that one mistake

53:25

really disrupted his flow. But I also

53:27

think, my personal theory, which I think

53:29

he kind of agreed with, is Webb

53:31

was airing out the finish jump and

53:33

those doubles, which I think helped him

53:35

because every time he was landing heavy,

53:37

mud was just flying off of his

53:39

bike off of his wheels, so it

53:42

was keeping the bike light, keeping the

53:44

wheel spinning, whereas chase... I don't really

53:46

remember seeing him jump those jumps at

53:48

all. Obviously he did, but there's no

53:50

way he did it to the... Like

53:52

if Webb did it 90% at the

53:54

time... I'm chasted at 20% of the

53:56

time. So I feel like his bike

53:59

was just clanked with shit, which meant

54:01

he was spinning everywhere, couldn't get drive

54:03

out of the corners. I really felt

54:05

like he needed what would have changed

54:07

his path in the last two or

54:09

three laps, would have been jumping to

54:11

finish or one of those doubles, freeing

54:13

up some of that dirt, and then

54:16

he maybe could have got some drive

54:18

again. That's my personal opinion, and I

54:20

did send that to mud expert Max

54:22

Ansti, who did agree with me. To

54:24

me it is kind of shocking that

54:26

if you remember back to Seattle last

54:28

week, Cooper Webb could not believe Chase

54:30

Sexton was doing the line in the

54:33

rhythm section that he was doing in

54:35

the ruts. And then we flash forward

54:37

to this week and the conditions are

54:39

75% worse and Webb turns into the

54:41

guy that's doing all the big jumps.

54:43

So like it's very interesting. That was

54:45

out of character for Webb to do

54:47

that every lab. Yeah. I feel like

54:50

some would be. Especially having the championship

54:52

lead and being behind Sexton the whole

54:54

race. The whole race. like he wasn't

54:56

going to lose a lot of points

54:58

but he still was like meh let's

55:00

go I'll send it yeah well even

55:02

that last lap when he did the

55:04

double after pit I was gonna say

55:07

pit lane and the mechanics area he

55:09

did that double and I don't know

55:11

who it was but a back marker

55:13

on the inside he had so much

55:15

momentum he very nearly just t-boned this

55:17

back marker yeah and that also would

55:19

have put him down and that would

55:21

have been it like but also I

55:24

think and I said this on the

55:26

post ratio last night I think there's

55:28

an interesting element here which I don't

55:30

believe is going to happen because it's

55:32

Webb and we know how smart and

55:34

mentally strong he is. But humor me

55:36

with any other rider. Webb played a

55:38

game of chance in Foxborough and it

55:41

worked out. He flirted with the edge.

55:43

It was sketchy at times, but it

55:45

worked out. That could give him some

55:47

sort of false sense of confidence in

55:49

Philadelphia. And then because it's such a

55:51

game of chance, doing the exact same

55:53

thing. Doesn't work out. He does t-bon

55:55

up that marker and it has a

55:58

counter effect. Yeah, maybe Again, this is

56:00

web, so I do not believe this

56:02

happens with web. But I could see

56:04

that working that way with any other

56:06

rider. You definitely could be spot on

56:08

there. We might be pulling this clip

56:10

next week after he lays it down

56:12

in the mud and can't get the

56:15

bike started for three laps or something

56:17

like that. You know, because it was

56:19

like, what he did was phenomenal. But

56:21

it was, again, as was everything in

56:23

that race. It could have worked or

56:25

it really could have not. Yeah. But

56:27

yeah, I did see it. I didn't

56:30

watch the race as I said, but

56:32

I did see a clip of chase

56:34

Being stuck on that finish jump which

56:36

was weird to me He cuz he

56:38

kind of just was immediately like no

56:40

this isn't like he got off his

56:42

bike with like in 0.91 seconds I

56:44

was watching it back like Do we

56:47

not want to? Like wait a second

56:49

or just like maybe we can slowly

56:51

climb up. No, there's no way man

56:53

like you get stuck with no momentum

56:55

on that you're done. I feel like

56:57

he was off the bike before he

56:59

actually got stuck. I feel like he

57:01

was off the bike as soon as

57:04

he started to slow down. Yeah. That

57:06

came from he like came to a

57:08

stop on the finish line jump didn't

57:10

he wasn't that yeah. No, but I'm

57:12

saying like he stopped on the take

57:14

the takeoff. to like look at where

57:16

he was going to go. That doesn't

57:18

do anything as long as you're carrying

57:21

your momentum down the backside of the

57:23

takeoff. Like it doesn't matter if you

57:25

roll over the top or not I

57:27

don't think. Well that's what happened to

57:29

Faulkner too though. Remember he stopped on

57:31

the top of that double right after

57:33

and was looking where to go and

57:35

then just had no momentum rolling up

57:38

the next jump and fell over. But

57:40

Faulkner was very positive about his momentum.

57:42

But like, this is what I mean,

57:44

Faulkner missed the main. The showdown, Faulkner

57:46

and XYZ are gonna miss a name.

57:48

Like it would be, like we would

57:50

have a main with like 10% or,

57:52

sorry, 50% championship contenders and 50% no

57:55

names who are in their first main

57:57

event ever. Yeah. No, this is gonna

57:59

be insane this showdown. This is the

58:01

timing of this. championship situations that come

58:03

with it and the fact that it

58:05

might be one of the worst mutters

58:07

ever depending on how this weather comes

58:09

down like insane. Do you think there's

58:12

a world where this would be possible

58:14

where the teams are thinking about this

58:16

in a similar vein, super concerned and

58:18

go to Feld and say hey, cancel

58:20

the showdown, run the two heats as

58:22

individual main events? No,

58:25

I don't think so and I don't

58:27

think is a is a fix to

58:29

the potential problem Yeah, but I don't

58:32

see a world where Feld says yes

58:34

to that or the AMA because as

58:36

we find often with the AMA the

58:38

AMA is very much like whoa We

58:40

wrote the rulebook this way and we

58:42

can't go back to it. You know

58:45

like they sometimes like to just you

58:47

know free will change stuff. Yeah, don't

58:49

see that happening Okay, so anyway you

58:51

got another topic or no? How long

58:53

have we gone for? We've gone for

58:55

58 minutes. Do I have another topic?

58:58

To be honest, I'm just so, I

59:00

feel like I'm wasting, or we're wasting

59:02

everyone's time just spinning the wheels. How

59:04

many times have I said that? Spitting

59:06

the wheels about this, just mud shit.

59:08

Well, I have the show titled Down

59:11

as Mud Sandwich right now, but I

59:13

might change it to spinning the wheels.

59:15

Spitting the wheels is better. Okay. More

59:17

intriguing. Nothing even stood out from MX

59:19

GP, really, except for the fact that...

59:22

I was finally proven right about

59:24

Ben Watson. Okay, cool. Yep. I'm

59:26

not insane, Helen. I will say

59:28

he was not the top finishing

59:30

beta rider on the weekend though

59:32

still. Yeah, one race was a

59:34

game of chance and another was

59:37

a grueling challenge of man and

59:39

machine. Just look at the results,

59:41

sir. Also, one beta rider had

59:43

his bike leave for starting gate

59:45

when the gate dropped. which is

59:47

um did he ever did he

59:49

ever find out what went wrong

59:51

like no yeah I don't know

59:53

I haven't spoken to him but

59:55

this has happened this happened at

59:57

the last GP as well. So

59:59

we got problems. It's an RV

1:00:01

issue, man. Just all's in there

1:00:03

on the line. Well, that's what

1:00:05

happened with a beta, isn't it?

1:00:07

You're working through the bugs. Well,

1:00:09

I'm backing away from the mic.

1:00:11

I'm not being involved in the...

1:00:14

No, that was a joke. Okay.

1:00:16

Okay. But I wasn't talking literally.

1:00:18

That was a joke. When you

1:00:20

were in the beta stage? You're

1:00:22

working through the bugs. So backing

1:00:24

away from the mic. That was

1:00:26

a joke. No. No. Let's address

1:00:28

the elephant in the room. The

1:00:30

fastest lap of the GP set

1:00:32

in the second motto, nothing. I

1:00:34

don't see anything that stands out,

1:00:36

to be honest. Do we want

1:00:38

to talk about hurlings? I guess

1:00:40

we need to talk about hurlings.

1:00:42

You were very critical of me

1:00:44

last week, sir. Let's address the

1:00:46

elephant in the room. Okay. The

1:00:48

fastest lap of the GP set

1:00:50

in a second motto on the

1:00:53

roughish track. We are so back.

1:00:55

We are so back. We went

1:00:57

20. We went 20. 7 which

1:00:59

means that based on that trajectory

1:01:01

and trend One one this weekend

1:01:03

when did he run that on

1:01:05

the first lap when he was

1:01:07

in the lead Let me see

1:01:09

He ran that on. Yes, lap

1:01:11

one It's just clear track and

1:01:13

before he got exhausted before he

1:01:15

got a weekend in the second

1:01:17

motto. I'm okay. We just say

1:01:19

though that Again, I like Jeffrey,

1:01:21

I am not a Jeffrey hater

1:01:23

opposed to many others that like

1:01:25

to do this. But the aesthetics

1:01:27

don't look good that you're leading

1:01:30

the race and you're like looking

1:01:32

back and like pulling aside a

1:01:34

little bit. He's been on the

1:01:36

bike six times since the nations.

1:01:38

Just saying man. Like he kind

1:01:40

of, realistically, should he have been

1:01:42

back? Probably not. Especially on a

1:01:44

track as tough as that. I

1:01:46

think my prediction was there will

1:01:48

be a flash of brilliance and

1:01:50

I feel like I've kind of

1:01:52

been proven right because that first

1:01:54

lap was fucking phenomenal. If you

1:01:56

actually look at, if I slowed

1:01:58

it down, there was an Instagram

1:02:00

story at the first turn. He

1:02:02

comes out of the first turn

1:02:04

in ninth. Yeah, he was way

1:02:06

out there, like puts him pretty

1:02:09

wide. And then just do you

1:02:11

bring? And he's five seconds in

1:02:13

the lead. Yeah. Which is why?

1:02:15

Was there a stack up in

1:02:17

turn two? Did he go around?

1:02:19

Was there a stack up on

1:02:21

the inside of turn two? No.

1:02:23

Let's just makes you... It's another

1:02:25

great show title. It just makes

1:02:27

you go like, well, I don't

1:02:29

know what that was, but that

1:02:31

was entertaining. Okay, I actually do

1:02:33

have a question about GPs that

1:02:35

I want to ask you, because

1:02:37

you'll be a little more inside

1:02:39

on this. You said last week

1:02:41

that Riola is a place where

1:02:43

a lot of guys go train.

1:02:46

Yes. Why is there only 18

1:02:48

guys in MX2 and no fans

1:02:50

there? Same reason that there's, it's

1:02:52

the off end of nowhere. It's

1:02:54

an Italian island. You go there,

1:02:56

and it's like entering... Germany

1:02:58

in 1946. Just old and everyone's

1:03:01

gone. Like, no? No? No? No?

1:03:03

Oh my God, okay, now I'm

1:03:05

definitely backing away from the mic.

1:03:07

I didn't know how to use

1:03:09

it. I didn't know what analogy

1:03:11

to use, you know what I

1:03:13

mean? Basically, it is barren with

1:03:15

some nice beaches and not much

1:03:18

going on. Like there's not a

1:03:20

local audience to pull from Okay,

1:03:22

anyway, um There's not a local

1:03:24

audience to pull from and I

1:03:26

can't imagine that many I mean

1:03:28

obviously some must but even to

1:03:30

get from Italy to this island

1:03:32

is a pain in the ass

1:03:35

and If you look at the

1:03:37

gates in Spain and Portugal the

1:03:39

numbers are down there too because

1:03:41

it's so south in Europe that

1:03:43

people don't want to like some

1:03:45

privateers don't travel there well this

1:03:47

is way more so out of

1:03:49

the way and It's not even

1:03:52

great for viewing it's literally in

1:03:54

the dunes and The reason that

1:03:56

they go there is because the

1:03:58

Sardinia government pay I think 750

1:04:00

grand so that's what I was

1:04:02

going to ask because to me

1:04:04

It just looks like a flyaway

1:04:06

when it's in Europe. So that's

1:04:09

what it is a good track

1:04:11

like it is It does belong

1:04:13

on the calendar. I don't think

1:04:15

you can argue that. I'm not

1:04:17

saying it's a bad track, but

1:04:19

when you only have 18 guys

1:04:21

in the class and there's, I

1:04:23

mean, there just genuinely was not

1:04:26

that many fans there too. Like

1:04:28

it's just people kind of hide

1:04:30

out in the bushes a little

1:04:32

bit. So it's like a made

1:04:34

for TV race. It looks like

1:04:36

a COVID race. Yeah, and it

1:04:38

always does. No matter, but yeah,

1:04:40

there's nice beaches. Sewa loves beaches.

1:04:43

Sewa loves it there. and he

1:04:45

was we really went back and

1:04:47

forth on my hatred of the

1:04:49

place and his love at the

1:04:51

place because he's a very like

1:04:53

hippie type man you know like

1:04:55

he loves the fact that it's

1:04:57

quiet and I was just bored

1:05:00

but last year or the year

1:05:02

before he was there for off-season

1:05:04

and he messaged me and was

1:05:06

like okay I'm done with this

1:05:08

place So I eventually did win.

1:05:10

There's a nice American restaurant called

1:05:12

the Old Wild West. As is

1:05:14

the case in all European countries

1:05:17

that try to do an American

1:05:19

themed restaurant, they just make it

1:05:21

the Plesinger Special. The restaurant is

1:05:23

literally called the Old Wild West.

1:05:25

That's nice. There's a McDonald's. That's

1:05:27

all right. Yeah. Wow fantastic. Yeah,

1:05:29

okay. I'm actually p-talk I don't

1:05:31

really have much more else to

1:05:34

say about it other than that

1:05:36

So well onto me on Watson

1:05:38

well done to Ben Watson Hey,

1:05:40

on the line in the second

1:05:42

motto started 30 seconds behind everyone

1:05:44

else and came from dead last

1:05:46

12 Yes, but you know seriously

1:05:48

big thanks to Lee Atnamura race

1:05:51

tech and parzile for back in

1:05:53

the show. I'm good. Is there

1:05:55

anything else you want to talk

1:05:57

about? No, I'm good Yeah,

1:05:59

we're good. All right,

1:06:01

right, let's go get wet again in

1:06:03

in Philly. is is We're be wild

1:06:05

We're gonna have a showdown. We're

1:06:07

gonna have a weird 450 championship dynamic

1:06:09

shift of some kind we're going we

1:06:11

are going to get a poncho you gonna

1:06:13

get a poncho this weekend? You're

1:06:16

gonna bring an umbrella Are you

1:06:18

still just gonna Are it out just

1:06:20

hope you don't get water in

1:06:22

your camera? get water in your camera? Um, I'm not

1:06:24

walking around for for poncho. I I

1:06:26

Don't know it's deal deal. With all respect Kellen.

1:06:28

It wasn't a good look. I don't don't care

1:06:30

about looks I care about getting the

1:06:33

job done done. you know I care

1:06:35

about about looks. Anyway, we'll see everybody in we'll see everybody

1:06:37

in Philadelphia this weekend guys show up even you

1:06:39

guys show up Even though it's gonna

1:06:41

be a disaster mud race this we'll

1:06:43

see what happens this weekend for yeah, thanks

1:06:45

for tuning into another edition of the

1:06:47

LVK more Than show here on on the Mathis podcast

1:06:49

network. we'll see you guys soon. Bye. Bye