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Joe Rogan. Thank you for coming your first podcast.

0:04

My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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I like the way you do this. We come to your studio.

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It's easy. We sit here.

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We do it. Jamie has to work extra.

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He's not happy about it, but that's okay.

0:16

That's all right. Thank you for letting me do.

0:19

We wanted to follow up Lex Friedman with somebody bigger and that person is you.

0:24

And then at de , I wanted to ask you, cause he's been, you know, we were just talking about the Hamptons at our crazy people go when they have an insane amount of money you've done very well in the last forever, but in the last year.

0:39

Yeah. Do you, is it weird as a comic, the types of people that you can be around now or It's

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weird. I'll get like messages from celebrities, like random celebrities usually about COVID advice, right?

0:50

Like I get no bullshit.

0:52

I've helped like dozens of people that I've never brought their names up, like a famous actors, musicians to just contact me for COVID advice.

1:02

Interesting. Yeah. That's weird. But it's also weird that they can just, they know, I know them and I'm famous too.

1:09

So like I've reached this weird spot where I like, I feel comfortable meeting famous people like hi fellow famous person.

1:17

Whereas I was plagued by imposter syndrome, like for forever.

1:22

Like, and I would get real weird around actual celebrities.

1:25

I'm like, ah, I gotta run to the store, hang out with the freaks, you know, but now you're cool With

1:30

it. It's, It's more, I'm just more accustomed to it, I guess.

1:33

But the, the money thing and the celebrity thing and all that stuff, it is odd and it's not good for a comedian.

1:40

Canadians are best off known, but not too famous.

1:46

Right? Because you get too famous and then you get scrutiny from people aren't even really fans and they start picking out your material or looking for, you know, where you've aired on the PC side.

1:57

Right. You know, where you're not woke or where this, You

1:59

think that is with comics, where if they get too much money or if they're, they get too big, a lot of them lose their mind.

2:06

A lot of them have real big The

2:09

problems. Well, famous people lose their mind.

2:11

Right. It's just in a totally unnatural state of existence, right.

2:15

Wherever where you go, people know you and they're all happy to see you.

2:18

Right. And then you also surround yourself with a bunch of people that don't tell you the truth.

2:22

That's, that's pretty common. Right?

2:24

And you gotta find a way to mitigate that or you'll go insane.

2:27

Right? You have to have something you do. That's like an absolute thing.

2:31

Whether it's a workout thing or you play chess or you fucking, you know, whatever it is, you have to have something that you do.

2:37

That's really difficult that doesn't give a fuck.

2:40

If you're famous, if you don't have, like, I look at it literally like, like it's an exercise from maintaining sanity like this, you have to brush your teeth.

2:51

You have to go work out.

2:53

Right. But it's not just, you work out to be healthy.

2:55

It's also workout because it's so hard to do that.

2:58

Everything else seems easier Over

3:01

the last year, you've kind of become pro.

3:03

Is this the most heat you've ever taken for the position for about COVID about the vaccine and stuff like that is there?

3:12

Cause I know that the trans MMA thing was big, but it didn't feel this big.

3:17

Well, the, Some of may thing was big, but it wasn't, it wasn't valid.

3:21

It was people that don't want any criticism whatsoever about trans people.

3:26

And I was like, look, I don't have a problem with trans people.

3:28

I have a problem with someone pretending that they're a biological woman and fighting women, right.

3:33

Once you say you're trans and everybody says, okay, I'll fight her.

3:38

Fine. I'm fine with that. And in fact, MMA is one of the best places for that because you know exactly who your opponent is, right?

3:45

Unlike like this swimmer, was it U Penn?

3:47

So it is, I don't know, whatever the swimmer is.

3:50

It's like lapping all these biological women, right.

3:52

That's fucked. Right? Because they don't have a choice they have to get And

3:56

fighting is you're you're you are more of an expert in finding than many things.

4:01

Right? You put your knowledge of fighting up there and the knowledge of advantages that a biological male hat Over

4:07

a few giant, the advantages. And I don't think they go away in two years of hormone treatments and service.

4:14

Right. It's a, it's too much of an advantage.

4:16

But if a woman is a biological woman who wants to compete against a trans woman, I have zero problem.

4:22

Right. And there was a situation like that recently.

4:25

Yeah. I know. Commented about it. Right. It's basically some regional level of fighters and one was trans and she was a former Navy seal, like fucking, super jacked, right?

4:36

Yeah. He used to look like right. You know, like a Savage.

4:39

Yeah. And then became a woman and fought MMA.

4:41

And, but apparently it was a good fight too.

4:43

She almost lost in the first round one in the second round.

4:45

I don't care. Right. My, my issue is not, it's not an anti-trans position.

4:50

It's like, sure. Can't pretend that that's fair.

4:52

That you don't tell someone that you were a biological male for 30 fucking years.

4:57

Right. 30 fucking years of having testosterone pulsing through your system and strengthening your tendons and your muscles and changing the way your mind works.

5:06

Right. It's a different mind. Yeah. The female.

5:08

Absolutely. That's so that was a lot.

5:10

That was a big One, but it was more Like

5:12

I realized that people will distort your perceptions on things or your positions on things.

5:17

This is different. This is like, the government gets mad at me.

5:21

Right? Like this is crazy.

5:24

I think I've ever seen a private individual take outside of like somebody who's leaking secrets or something.

5:32

Right. I mean, this is a pretty now obviously you're, you're, you're fine.

5:35

They're not, you know, they're not disappearing you.

5:38

Right. But in terms of just criticism, you know, you know, Fowchee and the, you know, people have addressed you personally, you know, like the media has kind of gone after you personally, does it, does it affect you at all?

5:55

Being in the midst of this shit storm on the level, your in it, which is pretty, you're pretty central.

6:04

Well, it has to affect you because you're aware of it.

6:07

If you're aware of it, it has an effect on you.

6:09

The question is, do you change the way you operate?

6:12

Look, do I decide the, now I'm going to play it safe.

6:15

And I'm going to just have podcasts with athletes or comedians.

6:19

Just talk about silly things.

6:21

I could do that. Right. I could just decide to bail out of it or I could just do exactly what I want to do and do exactly what got me here in the first place.

6:28

So that's what I do. Yeah. I know I'm aware of it, but I'm like, right.

6:33

It's I know what's going on too.

6:36

You know, what's going on.

6:37

It was one of the reasons why they go after me is that they realize I have a lot of influence.

6:41

Another reason why is because they need a boogeyman.

6:44

Like the mainstream media needs a Trump.

6:47

They need a, someone they need. Right?

6:49

Because on their own, the problem is it's a lot of it is editorial opinion pieces by morons, like really dull minded folks.

6:58

You're not the brightest. The reason why they got there in the first place is not because they're these courageous pioneering thinkers, right.

7:04

Who have like compassionate, intelligent views in the world know they're they they've followed narratives.

7:10

They read teleprompters.

7:11

And they say things that align with whatever the ideology is of their network.

7:17

Right. So that's what they do. Do you ever, do you have people that disagree with you on this issue that, and I'm sure you do that.

7:23

You respect that you got Sam Harris, somebody like that.

7:26

Like people that go, I feel you, cause it's a big issue and it's like a life or death thing.

7:32

It's an important issue.

7:34

People have very strong feelings about it.

7:36

Do you like, obviously there's a lot of disingenuous people in the media that are doing it for clicks, but do you have people in your own life who this is kind of, I don't want to say a rift, but like have you fallen out with people over it or Yeah.

7:52

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It's it's controversial.

7:54

But at this point, particularly when I see the way the government's behaving the suppression of monoclonal antibodies, the demonizing of generic treatments that are available, whether it's hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, there's, there's a concerted effort to demonize treatments that many, many, many doctors are using and countries are using there's fuckery going on man shores, and then is brought to you by Pfizer.

8:21

Right? If you watch the root of this fucker, it's real clear.

8:25

And so I'm pretty confident in what I'm saying.

8:28

I'm not saying that you shouldn't get vaccinated.

8:30

And I'm not saying that vaccines don't have a positive benefit for a lot of people.

8:34

They most certainly do a lot of people who have got COVID who were vaccinated.

8:37

It was way better for them than not being vaccinated.

8:40

That's a fact, right?

8:41

Another fact is there's treatments that are available that could stop it dead in its tracks, particularly monoclonal antibodies.

8:48

The Biden administration is doing their very fucking best to make it really hard, to get monoclonal.

8:54

And according to Peter McCullough, Dr.

8:56

Peter McCarthy, who's the most published physician in history, in his field.

9:01

The most published ever.

9:03

He's a rock solid physician without ever having any controversy in his career up until COVID.

9:08

He says there's enough monoclonal antibodies for the entire country.

9:11

He's like, they're doing their best to try to prevent this.

9:14

Because if you get that monoclonal antibodies, it stops COVID dead in its tracks.

9:19

So why wouldn't early treatment with monoclonal antibodies, knocks it.

9:22

Debt did it with you, did it with me.

9:25

And I didn't, why not go that route? And I know Pfizer has made A

9:28

lot of money. Want to vaccinate people.

9:30

They want universal vaccination.

9:32

Yeah. You could ascribe. You could say there's all sorts of like sinister motives for that, you know, you could say they don't want a control group.

9:39

They want the entire country vaccinated. So if health problems happen, there's no one to compare it to.

9:43

There's like, there's a lot of things that you could say there's you could say that this is just a gigantic money grab that they have some sort of a very close relationship with the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the, the vaccines.

9:54

I don't know what the fuck it is, but I do know that there are treatments and in a same world, right.

10:00

Would be pursuing all these treatments. They wouldn't just send you home.

10:03

Right. And say they can't, they can't give you ivermectin.

10:05

They can't give you anything else.

10:07

They just come back. When your pulse, your blood oxygen level drops below 92.

10:11

That's not normal. That's not normal with any other disease.

10:14

When they have the best off-label treatments that are available, that people are using.

10:18

And there are randomized control trials that show that they work.

10:21

I don't know if they fucking work or not. I'm a moron.

10:23

All right. I'm not a doctor.

10:24

I'm not an epidemiologist.

10:26

I'm not a virologist.

10:27

But the ones that I've talked to that are, that have treated thousands of people.

10:32

They tell you time and time again, that these are effective methods.

10:35

Point to Uttar Pradesh in India.

10:37

That's knocked it out. Using entirely this combination of ivermectin and a few other off-label drugs.

10:43

They point to all these different countries, all around the world that have experienced very low rates of COVID.

10:49

And they say, why does Japan use ivermectin?

10:51

Right? All these other countries use it, right? Why is CNN pretending veterinary medication?

10:56

When more people have taken ivermectin, then there are horses on planet earth, right?

11:01

It's fucking nuts media. It has clearly attacked you using a playbook that has only made them look very disingenuous.

11:12

And you've, I think more people's eyes have been opened by the media, lying about things you've said or misrepresenting ivermectin as horse medication, things like that in terms of, I think one of the criticisms that people have had is they've said like, why not bring on people that are more Provax have You

11:36

put on? And I've certainly, while I had him on, I had Rhonda Patrick on, I had a crash with her about it in the early days of the podcast, I had Michael Osterholm, who was a, he's a infectious disease expert.

11:49

I had Peter Hotez, who's a vaccine expert in quite a few of them on the, the thing is like over time, I've noticed that the mainstream narrative is being guided in a way where everybody steps in line and people are ignoring all these other things that we talked about.

12:04

They're ignoring the suppression of monoclonal antibodies.

12:07

They're ignoring the suppression of treatments.

12:10

There's a lot of shit. And any of those dudes reached out to like, come back on again, or you have, they like osterhome or people like that.

12:17

Is it weird?

12:18

Because also people bring up this whole thing that you have, where you go, listen, I'm not anti-vax right.

12:23

You have a whole thing where you talk about like that.

12:27

A lot of people that are against all vaccinations are, are historically, you know, they, you know, they've been proven wrong.

12:33

Like we've stamped out a lot of diseases.

12:34

What, what about like, cause I would wonder because this isn't a vaccine, Right?

12:39

No, no, no. For sure. Gene therapy. That's part of the problem.

12:42

Yeah. It's, it's kind of an experimental thing.

12:45

Yeah. I mean, the experiment is massive now it's billions and billions of people worldwide.

12:48

Right. But it's essentially experimental in terms of the long-term health consequences.

12:53

I wonder about Kaiser. Cause there, there there's.

12:54

Cause they don't seem like bad people, Oster, Houma guys like that.

12:58

They say never been bad. People never been bad people.

13:01

And are they just looking at, well, all these people, a lot of them are fairing better with the vaccine if they get COVID.

13:09

So they're not looking at the other adverse effects.

13:13

There's, there's a bunch of things you could say. I mean, it's a lot of it's speculation, but again, there's a lot of people that benefit from being vaccinated.

13:19

That's a fact, right?

13:21

There's also people that have horrible reactions to the vaccine.

13:24

That's the fact too, that there's a lot going on.

13:27

And when you're only allowed to look at one group of, of one example of evidence and not another example, like one, a positive example versus a negative example.

13:36

That's not good for anybody.

13:37

No, it's not sucks for me that I'm stuck in this weird position.

13:42

You are in this crazy position as a comedian MMA commentator podcast or BU the show has become such a massive, I mean they put out numbers the other day.

13:51

I mean, you're the leading media figure Right

13:55

now. Dumb is that well, that's how I know.

13:59

I was so mad that you were, and I called my producer and I fired him.

14:03

I had to rehire him. I said, I couldn't find anyone else, but I was so angry because I don't have guests.

14:07

And that's what a real media person should do.

14:09

I have no interest in anyone's opinion, just like my mother who's a schizophrenia.

14:13

She never had to have anyone over to have a good time.

14:16

And that's the way I do. But you now have a crazy amount of people listening.

14:20

Do you feel, cause people do that. Guilt.

14:22

People try to go, somebody didn't get vaccinated and they died of COVID and they try to go that's Joe Rogan's fault.

14:28

This is what people say.

14:30

That's what they say. Well, that's what they say.

14:32

I mean, this is their whole thing, right?

14:33

This is Is

14:35

what I would say. Why didn't the doctors give them treatment?

14:37

Why did the doctors get them multiple?

14:39

Was why would they denied monoclonal antibodies?

14:42

Did they request them? Did they know about them?

14:44

Right. You know, why didn't they get IV vitamin drip, infusions?

14:46

Why didn't they get NAD? Is that available?

14:49

Yeah. Isn't that available? That seems like especially Ivy, vitamin trips like that, that shit's very available.

14:55

We know that high level vitamin drips, whether it's with, with, especially with C D zinc, glutathione, all those things like hugely beneficial to any kind of disease people have for sure what I've got them.

15:06

I've got them like as a, just a health remedy for the last few years.

15:11

And every time I do it, it feels fucking great.

15:13

And you know, people personally that have had problems with the Vaccine,

15:16

I know quite a few of them. Now I know over 15 people that have had like serious side effects, Both

15:22

men and women, menstrual Issues,

15:24

menstrual issues, strokes, neurological disorders, chronic fatigue.

15:28

So what's a neurological disorder just out of curiosity, shakes cheese.

15:31

And you can't do anything about that.

15:34

Weird ones, man. There's and it's the thing is when you're vaccinating this to be fair, you're vaccinating hundreds of millions of people in this country alone.

15:42

You're going to get adverse side effects on any medication.

15:45

Right? The thing is, if you look at only that, like if you vaccinate a hundred million people, they, they think that the adverse side effects and they don't really know because the virus report it's kind of it's, it's very under-reported and it's also, it's hard to see whether or not the it's a hundred percent accurate.

16:03

I don't know how much they investigate each individual one.

16:05

But if you, they, they seem to think that at a low number, like a conservative number, it's like one per 1000.

16:14

So if you vaccinate a million people, you're going to have a lot of people that have adverse side effects.

16:20

You've actioned a hundred people. You're gonna have a lot.

16:22

So this is what we're dealing with.

16:24

Yeah. And that doesn't get any play.

16:26

It doesn't date suppress it. There was a kid on Tik TOK that had mild carditis and he was a high school kid, like an athlete.

16:33

And he was in the hospital and it got millions and millions of plays.

16:36

They removed it from Tik TOK. Cause it doesn't fit the narrative.

16:39

Like that's, what's fucked. That Really

16:42

an indication of a much larger problem.

16:46

Yeah, they're doing Good.

16:48

I mean the 13 year old, got it. And died quite a few.

16:52

There's a few kids that unfortunately, you know, have passed.

16:56

Yes. I have a friend and one of his good friend's daughter got it.

16:59

She was 14 years old and just immediately respiratory failure.

17:03

They had put her in the ICU. She's fucked.

17:05

You know, there was one of the girls in the trials that was 13 years old.

17:08

It's confined to a wheelchair for the rest of her life.

17:10

And You can't shoe.

17:12

Not that showing would matter When

17:14

it's your child. That's part of what's going on the emergency use authorization.

17:18

It exempts them from any.

17:20

And you're talking about these companies that have always historically lied about adverse side effects in order to make profit.

17:27

They've done it with Vioxx. They've done it with a bunch of other drugs that pass.

17:30

Pfizer's like one of the most fine companies.

17:33

I shouldn't vaccine Sputnik is actually the best vaccine supposed to be.

17:38

Very good. It's actually the best vaccine. It's crazy.

17:42

It's supposed to be very good too. Yeah.

17:44

Yeah. The Cuban one's supposed to be, Isn't

17:46

it? You know, lax is an agent of Russia. He works for Russia.

17:49

Definitely does. And he's here in America.

17:50

Now things related to Putin, he certainly says son, Lex freedom is the son of Putin and jizz lane.

17:57

Max was real name's Damian, keep it on, Keep

18:00

it on the low. But he was talking about Sputnik and I researched Sputnik and Sputnik is actually good.

18:05

Could you, instead of with the ivermectin, just pitch Sputnik.

18:09

Well, I couldn't divert the people that are angry at you and you go, all right, I'll give you that.

18:17

The Russian one. It's the best one.

18:18

What's

18:18

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18:18

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18:18

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18:18

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18:18

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18:18

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18:21

know. It's a good question. James is a new one.

18:24

That's coming out. Apparently that is a, it's an inert version of the virus, like an old school vaccine.

18:31

So that's what you want. Well, I don't know, man.

18:33

I mean, is that good? Is that right? Yes, he does.

18:36

Well, here's the thing, man. What about treatments?

18:37

What about these fucking treatments?

18:40

How good is this Pfizer pill that's coming out.

18:42

Yeah. Good. As the merch pills coming out, maybe that's the way it be there.

18:45

Great. Maybe a good thing to do is get the natural antibodies from infection and they have a really effective treatment Right

18:51

about this. You can have the body positivity shed where you tell people you can be fat and that it's great for you.

18:58

You shouldn't demonize fat people, but you should also be very honest with them about you're making a choice.

19:04

Yes. Just like when you become a comedian, you're making a choice.

19:07

Yes. It may not work statistically a wallet, but you can try and good luck.

19:12

Right? It's like you become an actor, an artist, whatever being fat is kind of similar to that where it's like, it's probably not going to work Long

19:20

term. It's even worse with COVID apparently because there's something about COVID that targets fat and it does.

19:26

Yeah. And there's, they've shown significant numbers of people that are in the ICU that are overweight.

19:32

It's it's one of the worst things.

19:34

And in the beginning they weren't as honest with that as they are Now.

19:39

Well, that's the thing. It's like, there's things that upset people.

19:42

And so, because they know those things, upset people and I'll talk, decide not to talk about it.

19:46

And you know, body shaming is one of those things.

19:49

Right. But it's, it's, it's, it's true that you have a much higher risk.

19:54

Yeah. That's true of having adverse reaction to COVID hospitalization death.

20:00

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20:02

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20:06

And then also this Alma Cron, you know, I've heard, I have a friend, who's a biologist who was talking to me about this.

20:12

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20:15

It's a vaccine that's burning through the population.

20:18

It's not, he's saying, he's saying it's not good to get it.

20:20

I'm not saying it's good to get it. What I'm saying is it's a respiratory virus and it's almost inevitable that people are going to get it because of the infectious rate of it.

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24:52

Tim? What's interesting is that nobody in Hollywood's vaccinated, nobody talks about it.

24:55

We know a bunch of competitors, none of them are vaccinated, right?

24:59

Really? None of them, they hide it. They hide it. They have fake vaccine cards.

25:02

We've been told this by how your body's.

25:05

No, no, no, no. A lot of Hollywood actors are not doing it because you know, they're younger.

25:11

A lot of them they're healthier. They have access to really good treatment.

25:14

The other thing they don't trust the narrative, whatever.

25:17

They're just not. And you know, outwardly, they're not talking about it, right?

25:21

Like think of how many Hollywood celebrities were went hard for black lives matter.

25:26

Now think about how many of them went hard for the vaccine.

25:28

Not a lot. There's just not a lot of Hollywood people.

25:32

He went hard, but that's his job.

25:34

Is it? Well he's yeah, he's a puppet.

25:38

Let me, that's like the marionette puppet thing.

25:41

I think I've ever seen. He's a guy that took the 25 million a year, which I get.

25:46

If somebody pays me $25 million, they give him the host.

25:50

I should give him a lot of money.

25:52

And he, and he was getting no ratings.

25:54

And then Trump came in and he goes, I will, my aunt loves Stephen Colbert.

25:58

You know, she's she's in her sixties or late fifties, she has three or four auto-immune disorders.

26:03

She's self-diagnosed she drinks white Zinfandel.

26:07

And she sits in her chair. She has a Loveless marriage and she stares at the TV and Stephen Colbert comes on and he goes, Trump's evil.

26:15

And the Republicans are evil and she cheers and smacks her seal like paws together.

26:20

And this is how she's going to spend the rest of her life.

26:23

And I have another aunt who does the same thing, but she's a Q Anon retardant.

26:27

She watches Laura Ingram and, and her husband and her are like, you know, it's a Loveless marriage.

26:34

And she just sits in her chair, drinking wine, watching Laura Ingram and Tucker call center.

26:40

So people at a certain age, I think when they've given up on everything else in life, they get very political.

26:45

Yeah. That does happen.

26:47

Meaning gives them something to do Well.

26:49

They, they watched their tribe go to war while people are into football teams.

26:53

That's right.

26:55

Well, here's, they go insane.

27:01

It's their team. And if the team loses, they get devastated to You

27:04

as a highly productive person.

27:06

Look at people like that and go there, choose a lower life forms.

27:10

Cause I'm not even nearly as productive as you and I look at them like that.

27:14

And I, I do a hundredth of maybe a thousandth of what you do.

27:18

And I look at them and go, they're like zombies.

27:21

Yeah. Their bodies and minds have been taken over.

27:24

Well, they got it's a trap, right?

27:26

It's like, if you've ever watched people play three-card Monte in New York.

27:29

Yes. And you go, oh, you fucking dummy. You're going to get sucked in again.

27:32

You'll get sucked into all these things.

27:34

Right. You know, it's what I say about like, if you get really invested in politics, vote voting for president is probably a lot like rooting on pro wrestling.

27:43

That's right. Am I make you feel better? Right. But I don't know how much it really affects the outcome.

27:48

Yeah. And then trying to pull that back.

27:51

I mean, if you look at Biden, who's clearly, you know, this act didn't get past.

27:56

Even the Democrats are going, this guy is out of it.

28:00

Yeah. Even people that voted for him are going, Hey, something's wrong.

28:05

It's clear to see that the, the will of the people get subverted a lot in many different ways.

28:14

Sure. And the people who end up running the show are not necessarily representative of what the public wants.

28:23

And how do you, I don't know that you fix that.

28:26

I don't know if you fix that either. So unfortunately it's just a, you end up adopting this kind of cynical position that you can only really take care of yourself, your family, your community, the people you can donate money.

28:40

You can be altruistic in many different ways.

28:42

But as far as the government, it seems like an unsolvable Problem.

28:48

It's, it's definitely complex and it's moving in the wrong direction.

28:52

Right? Know, I've been paying attention to these companies that are buying up affordable housing.

28:59

Yeah. Rock and Zillow. Yeah. That's Scary.

29:01

It is scary because if they can move the entire country into renting, like that's right.

29:06

Nobody can own it. What they want to do.

29:08

Right. That's what I'm saying. They don't want anyone to own any, if You

29:10

get a giant majority of the population that are just renters that don't ever own property, they never have their own real, real home.

29:18

Yeah. And then you make sure that you control their wage because you have massive corporations, whether it's target or Amazon or whatever.

29:25

And they limit the amount of possible growth you have within a company.

29:30

Yeah. And there was that article you'll own nothing and be happy in 2030.

29:35

And this is, you know, kind of, you know, when you look at a lot of these think tanks and you know, groups are very powerful interests.

29:45

When you look at the kind of world they want, they would like to get rid of things like Car

29:52

ownership. I've been seeing that too. They want to get rid Of

29:54

home ownership. They want people to all be on the grid in a major way.

29:59

They want surveillance, you know, cradle to grave 24 hours a day, seven days a week, Social

30:07

credit systems. And the only thing it's left to do seems to beat, to get in with them, to show that when they're doing this to everyone, you're with That,

30:17

you're on the right side of the place to go Because here's the problem.

30:20

People are marching into this willingly.

30:23

They're like marching into it. It's like my aunt or the other rant.

30:26

Like people, as long as their team wins, they don't really care what rights they lose and what things end up Looking

30:35

like, yeah, they don't, there's a lot of people that don't, they, and they're so tribal that if the right wing people want something, they want the opposite of that, even if it kills them.

30:44

And so I think that there's a lot of exaggerated positions by people that take up these really like amplified right wing positions.

30:52

And it's probably like Russian trolls or Chinese trolls or something like that.

30:56

And they take up these positions, which force the people on the left to get even more crazy with their Marxist ideas and leftist ideas and turn it up.

31:04

They're being played, they turn it up. And very few people are autonomous.

31:08

Very few people have their own.

31:10

Like We're also a silly country to ask.

31:12

Should we have kids in the suburbs calling themselves Maoists on ironically in these leafy green suburbs.

31:20

And then we have the alt-right and it's the same kids.

31:23

And they want a re a return to the holy Roman empire.

31:27

And these are children running around the suburbs that are online all day, venerating, these genocidal, dictators, and going, this is a good idea.

31:38

It's, it's a silly country. And there's a lot of problems.

31:41

You know, one of the first indications that I saw that this was coming was when comics stopped doing colleges.

31:48

Interesting. Yeah. Cause as soon as he lose the younger people, Because

31:51

the comics were like, dude, they're too fucking politically correct too.

31:54

It's too annoying. I don't want to do this.

31:56

They don't have any world experience and their, their, their ideas postrace and you know, they don't want any, they, they they're like the first to say, no one should go on property.

32:06

They're the first to say that you know that we need a redistribution of wealth.

32:11

Right. And we need A bit of is good, but you don't want all of it in Money.

32:17

Income, inequality is a crazy statement.

32:20

Of course. Is should people make more money?

32:23

Yes. Yes. They definitely should. If you look at a corporation that's making fucking untold billions of dollars.

32:28

And then you go down to the bottom of the chain and people were in dire poverty that are working for that company.

32:34

And that company is benefiting substantially crazy in that person's get is way, all battle bounces way off.

32:41

And those people have no leverage.

32:42

That's where unions come into play. That's why it's important.

32:45

Okay. But that's why Jeff Bezos recently with Amazon, like he's taking the photos with the girl he's enjoying it.

32:51

It leased the Amazon employees, even though they don't have food or health care can look at him to go, he's having fun.

32:58

Do you know what I mean? Where's a Warren buffet.

33:00

He's just in Omaha having sex with kids quietly and worshiping Satan.

33:04

Is that what it's doing? I come out who, who lives in Omaha has a billion dollars drinks.

33:08

A lot of Coca-Cola, he's got a hundred billion dollars. He lives in Omaha.

33:11

Why? Because he likes living in a small house. He says he likes dairy queen.

33:14

Let's cut it out. But bayzos at least he's on a raft with these whores in the middle of the ocean.

33:20

At least that inspires people, Girlfriend.

33:22

I think it's actually his girlfriend. She's

33:24

really pretty. She's pretty in an interesting way.

33:26

Kind of does that mean there's a shapeliness to her that's she seems threatening like an animal.

33:32

She looks like an agent. Ah, kind of like somebody that would play an agent in a, in a, in a movie, which is interesting.

33:39

Cause she probably is an agent in real life. Well she massaged agent or something dated A

33:43

lot of other people. She's had children. I think she's American.

33:46

Well, God bless her. And she's making good choices.

33:49

I always tell women, if you can marry a billionaire, right, marriage move, marry a wealthy dude, hang in there For

33:56

a couple of years. Then it's way better To

33:59

marry someone who will, who they make money by destroying themselves while you enjoy it, which has many relationships that I know a woman will enjoy the fruits of a man's Zimmer.

34:11

He will destroy himself and she will kind of enjoy the money.

34:17

Right? I believe his retired well is stepped down as the CEO Kind

34:22

like Poot and right where they never really stepped down.

34:26

Interesting. But my, my thing is like, when you have a country, that's this silly where comedy specials are.

34:32

People coming out, making serious points.

34:36

You have late night host crying.

34:38

You have, you know, the girl who threatened her mother on Dr.

34:42

Phil is a legitimate star.

34:45

Right? Bad baby. Remember that woman?

34:47

Oh yeah. She threatened to kill her mother on TV.

34:50

She's a star. Now.

34:52

She Has massive Instagram following massive, Massive.

34:55

Where does this go?

34:58

Right? Pictures of apes are selling for the cost of a Lamborghini.

35:03

Our last president was the guy who hosted the apprentice.

35:07

And on his last day of office, a mob of Luna techs ran into the Capitol to take selfies with fucking wigs on it looked like a sketch.

35:19

I would do like it really is where we're in like a fucking weird movie.

35:24

Do you remember when you were a kid And you would hear about the last days of the Roman empire, where they were just like eating until they couldn't take any more than a feather of their mouth and throwing up fucking everybody that's Us.

35:36

And it's like that.

35:39

It sounds good. It doesn't sound that bad, but it is.

35:42

It is funny as a Commute.

35:44

When you, when you step back and you go like, this is really, really crazy stuff.

35:51

It's crazy stuff. And the problem is I don't see a good ending because if we fall into the other problem is we have to compete with China.

35:59

And China has this amazing ability to control their population through propaganda and intimidation and you know, total censorship, which we're like moving in that kind of general direction.

36:11

Right. Which is really scary because the one way we may be able to compete with China is to become more like China, because otherwise like they're so they're so integrated their, their government and their business is inexorable.

36:27

They're connected. You cannot have a corporation where the government's not involved.

36:31

Right? So the government makes decisions with the corporations that benefit the government and benefit the Chinese communist party benefit the country in general.

36:39

And we're on that path to let's see military industrial contractors, pharma companies that kind of killed the Obama healthcare bill then went in and rewrote that.

36:47

And they were like, we don't want this. All their lobbyists had a lot of influence on that.

36:52

It, I mean, it's strange to, to really conceive of it as a reality, as opposed to just a choke or a, you know, kind of a cynical aside, it actually does seem that we're in a stage of decline that somewhat irreversible.

37:11

Yeah, it does. It's it's, it's hard not to be depressed.

37:14

I have yet. I think we've talked about this before Douglas Murray.

37:18

He talked about all madness of gender issues.

37:21

Yes. He was on my podcast and he was saying that these gender issues where people were changing genders, swabbing, Joe, he goes, that takes place in all civilizations that are collapsing.

37:29

Now why Is that? I don't know.

37:31

People just get bored.

37:33

I think it's a, when life gets very easy ankles, start looking for problems and they start looking to the structure of society and then looking to sort of dissolve.

37:46

Yeah. Cause there are legitimate trans people clearly, clearly, clearly I know somebody who's trans who never speaks about it lives as a woman doesn't even know that I know great person born a man now lives as a woman.

38:02

Doesn't speak lives. As a woman doesn't speak about Is

38:04

like, well Sarah much. So everybody knows.

38:06

Well I Don't, she probably wouldn't even mind.

38:09

Everyone has such a fame whore.

38:10

Well, I know they are white on the pod player, white as trans, as you can get you look at that and go, oh, I get it.

38:17

Sure. There's But then there's this other thing where people are going, I have green hair.

38:23

Yeah. I'm a trans or non-binary and you go, wait a minute, hold on a minute.

38:30

You're a white female who goes to Wesleyan college.

38:34

You're dating a guy, right?

38:36

You're in a heterosexual relationship.

38:38

You felt no oppression. Your entire life.

38:40

Your dad works for Raytheon.

38:43

Your mother's a pill addict.

38:45

You go to school and you Billy Joel song, this is you go to school and you figure out a way to not be the oppressor.

38:58

Right? Right. You go, I will be different now.

39:00

It's true. And as a real faggot, you used to have to be a faggot to be effective.

39:05

Like you used to have to have sex with men.

39:07

Or if you're a woman you have to sex with women and people were supposed to, you know, be like loose.

39:15

And there was some naturalness to that because like the reaction of people was that the thing that you were saying was real right.

39:26

And some people were like, it was harder for them to get behind.

39:30

And, but you suffered legitimate oppression.

39:33

You suffered legitimate oppression because the feelings you had were valid and real not non-binary.

39:40

It was real. Like you were saying, I put a penis in my mouth and people were going that's odd.

39:45

And it was, my father said, cause that's a hard, no, I'm kidding.

39:50

He's he's fine with everything. As long as he doesn't have to work harder, it's not a hard worker, but he, so the whole thing is this new thing has taken over the gay thing now.

40:02

So it's not really gay people. It's fate.

40:04

People are kind of looked at as Nazis.

40:06

If you see two lesbians now, cause lesbians usually on businesses, you know, they're usually they're capitalists.

40:13

Most lesbians are capitalists and they're quite vicious.

40:16

Really fire people.

40:18

Oh, most lesbians are very competent people.

40:21

Whereas a lot of gay men, they got Ellen.

40:23

Ellen is a CEO.

40:26

Truly. Yes, she, she has a real estate portfolio.

40:29

That's an excess of a hundred million dollars. I mean, she, the woman was a tyrant, but she got things done.

40:36

But now I think the gays and lesbians are like the normies of gays now.

40:41

And there's a new crop of people coming in that don't really have any sex.

40:46

They spend most of their time online.

40:49

They're all like pansexual communist, which is, and their main goal is to tweet about you.

40:55

No one even Fox they're really just tweeting about you.

40:59

No, one's even having dirty sweaty sinful sex in a motel room anymore.

41:04

Everybody's on Reddit talking about you.

41:07

Have you two weird things.

41:09

Weird for me. It's you know, it's really a cage.

41:11

The movie. It was very fun. Yeah. I never watched it.

41:13

It's great. Nichols and may wrote, it's brilliantly funny.

41:17

It's gay people in south beach to drugs, having sex and having fun.

41:20

We're like the opposite of that.

41:22

We're like in some sexless, autistic horror.

41:25

Hellscape where people just sit around and there's this weird like office politics, bureaucratic, like, you know, weird, like, you know, you made me upset.

41:37

You made me upset. Like I grew up with rent where it was at show where people were like, we have aids, but let's have fun.

41:42

Right? Let's do. That was the theme of rat. It was like, we have aids, but let's not let it ruin the night.

41:47

And now people are just upset for all kinds of reasons.

41:50

It's weird. And you don't really hate gay people.

41:54

No, I don't hate it.

41:55

You know, You've been, you've been very good to me.

41:58

Loving me is like, go golfing with Candace Owens are going.

42:02

I love blacks.

42:09

So no, Everybody,

42:12

man, I have no ill will towards any individual group.

42:18

Right. I individual people, silly people.

42:22

You're just saying comedy has gotten weird. Like now at the comedy store, you have all these guys that have talked shit about you right now.

42:28

Obviously many of them are feeble and diabetic and dying.

42:31

So it's not like they present a physical threat. I mean, many of them are not well, but if you were like, is it weird now with this community the way it is that shows, Well,

42:41

I don't know. Who's talking shit about me and the ones that do, if that is real, I left and I left.

42:46

I brought a lot of the people. Yeah. And it's better here right now.

42:50

And I think there's a lot of FOMO going on for sure.

42:53

But then there's also a lot of people that are trying to establish this new position on the food chain, which is one of the ways that you and I became friends.

43:00

So I read the thing you wrote about Louie.

43:02

And I'm like, he fucking nailed it because that's exactly what it is.

43:05

Mediocre talents that are looking to attack Louie, who was at the time and still is one of the best comics that's ever lived.

43:12

A one Of the most brilliant comic minds that have ever lived.

43:14

And So when they were attacking him, they weren't just attacking him because they thought that what he did was wrong.

43:20

Right. They were doing it because they wanted to establish that they want to stop him down because he was, You

43:26

know what he did, you know, like they was just this idea of this very kind of vague general idea of what had been out there and things like that.

43:34

But Howard is in comedy, man. There's a lot of cowards and there's a lot of people that take, they take some chances, but then they fucking think about them and they panic.

43:42

And then they go back and they'll try to attack someone because they think it makes them feel like they're, they're more protected because offensive it's like it's, it's, it's a wild time, man.

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Wow. A hundred percent. You don't think he'd come on though, right? I

47:34

don't think he'd come on. But if he did, I would request a real podcast.

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Like you can't come on for 20 minutes. Like we're going to talk for a few hours.

47:41

But if he came here, sat down, got high.

47:43

And was the greatest cast you've got would be awesome.

47:45

What if he just admitted it? What if he's like Joe?

47:48

about aids.

47:50

Yeah, he goes, we're making money.

47:52

We made money on phase. We made money off this I'm

47:56

coming clean. I'm 80. What the fuck He

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goes, who gives a fuck you job? I'm up?

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A couple of them fall down in a Walmart. You are in care.

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Highly correct Tim.

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Exactly what I've been doing my entire career.

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It's a he's in, he's in, he tell you about purchasing HIV drugs.

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This was how we started A

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He just, he just shut it down, right?

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Yeah. 2004, the shutdown gain of function research.

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he's fucking smart. He's a smart guy.

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You know how bad you miss him.

48:37

When you look at the presidents with Benson, We'll

48:39

do Coke with him. So I don't miss him at all. I would like to do Coke with him and his wife, Hilarious.

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And Bruce Springsteen Depressed.

48:47

They have a bad podcast. I'd like to come in and spice it up.

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A Preuss has a podcast.

48:52

Obama. No, he does. It's terrible.

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I should go on and show them how to do it. Like stop.

48:57

Yeah. Like, you know, they get like dance instructors that do like dancing with the stars.

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Stayed there. They think they're dancers.

49:03

Yes or no. No, no. The real dancers are going to show you how to dance you and I, we should go to them at a fucking podcast.

49:09

What the hell are those two talking nonsense?

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Oh God, it's nonsense. It's all like, so it's so aware of what people are paying attention to.

49:18

So aware of like walking that line of acceptable narratives that nobody cares about it.

49:23

Right? It's it doesn't, it doesn't work. It's crazy. It doesn't work.

49:25

That's one thing about podcasts. The brilliant thing about it is because there's no real production and there's no real engineering.

49:33

We're a bunch of people who like Ryan scripts and following that is that it's so raw that anything that's not like that doesn't work.

49:41

Whereas like mainstream news is so produced that if you had raw on mainstream news, people are like, what the fuck?

49:49

Kind of unprofessional shit is this Like

49:51

Bruce sprints, he's got to turn around Obama during it and be like, she here.

49:54

Why should a man? Like someone has to, someone has to live in it up with fun, stuff like that, which isn't true.

50:01

But it's a fun. What's A weird one. That's it?

50:04

You know, they believe That they do believe that they're hardcore, sketchy people that are with you on the vacs, but then want you to go much further.

50:12

They're like little flat.

50:14

Yeah. They cause they don't stop at the VAX.

50:17

They go much further. Why

50:18

wouldn't they go hollow earth day. They

50:20

go hollow words. They go, the world Is

50:23

flat. Reptile People to choose her in a cupboard.

50:25

It's a whole deep Reset.

50:28

Who knows what's real. And what's not real.

50:30

Right? You go down a list of all the things that Alex Jones predicted.

50:33

He didn't get a lot of bronc. Well, He

50:35

did it, but he did get a few of them rocked up that Sandy hook one rhymes with Mansi muck.

50:42

That's a real, That's so rough.

50:44

The problem, if that let's, let's pretend that he never fucked that up.

50:48

Cause he was going through a rough time in his life.

50:51

That was going through a rough time drinking like crazy.

50:53

He has essentially a psychotic place.

50:56

I mean, he's really open about My uncle went through a rough time and he just played golf through it.

50:59

Like sometimes you just, sometimes you did.

51:02

That's a great point. But sometimes you just gotta go through the rough time without accusing kids of faking their death.

51:06

Well, He wasn't accusing the kids of doing, he was Accusing

51:09

the parents, whatever he fucked up. He's a good man.

51:11

The point is if that, if he didn't, if you just remove that and then you'd look at all the things that he predicted that it was right About

51:18

a lot of them, you Got to look at a guy like people, like why would you talk to a guy like that?

51:23

Yeah. Because first of all, I've known him for more than 20 years.

51:26

He's my friend. He's a very nice guy.

51:28

He, he absolutely fucked up, but he'll tell you that he fucked up.

51:32

Right. And people fuck up. And I think you gotta be allowed To

51:34

direct the people to do the Harmless.

51:37

These are just crazy. His fans are crazy people.

51:40

Crazy. His fans are what they call.

51:43

They're a little off. I got news For you. But some years are off too.

51:46

Might as well know It.

51:48

Yeah. Awesome. No, no, no avoiding that. But the idea that you're responsible for the off people that listen to you and want to start screaming at Meghan McCain, stop fucking your dead dad.

51:56

Wow. And I tell them to do I organize that I have rallies For

52:02

sure people are crazy.

52:04

And I said, they wanted to find a conservative on the view.

52:06

I said, let me go in there with the wig.

52:08

I'll be the conservative that Left.

52:10

Does any woman even want to do that anymore? She wants to do that.

52:14

Tim. Who's a libertarian on Fox. They were trying to go hard at her, but she's like, I'm on Gutfeld I'm on a show.

52:19

People watch They've turned that show into what they've done is they've made it so that all they do is fight.

52:26

Right? All they do is scream and yell. All they do is get upset at people.

52:29

It's all negative. It's all demeaning.

52:31

It's all insulting. We've just gotten to this point where the show's just got this feel of it.

52:37

You only watch to see who they're mad at. Like right.

52:40

Oh no. It's, it's a horrible, horrible experience for anyone watching or participating at a true, This

52:47

is what's wrong with it. If you got five friends just wanted to talk about things like that.

52:51

And they didn't have time limits. And they didn't know like all these kids' strengths that are put on a show like that hinder the possibility of it being good.

52:59

You know, there's for sure all the people in the audience, that's a problem because you're playing to the audience and then you have the fact that you'll have a commercial coming up at 45 seconds.

53:07

You've got to make your point. And then these other bitches are trying to chime in.

53:10

You have to talk over them. I

53:11

can't find a female conservative.

53:14

No, I think they're going to have to use that.

53:16

Grandma who was yelling at the Sandy hook, parents.

53:19

I forget her name. The one who was like, prove that you dumb fuck, but she she's acute Q Anon.

53:26

Grandma. I forget her name. Ben knows her name, grandma.

53:29

She was this grandma that was in that documentary and she would go, she would yell at these parents.

53:33

It was very sad. She'd be like, prove it.

53:35

You dumb fuck about their kids.

53:39

And I think she should be on the view or get Rosio Donald back.

53:42

Cause she at least questioned nine 11.

53:45

Yeah. Yeah. She, she questioned tower seven and a lot of other things like this, that those things are like real complicated.

53:53

You can't get those wrong, You can't get them wrong.

53:55

But there's clearly fuckery with that.

53:58

If there's fuckery with the vaccine, there's fuckery with that.

54:01

Well, there's certainly fuckery in the reaction to that because we invaded Iraq.

54:05

That's all you need to know. Like I had a whole different show at one point.

54:08

Yeah. It's like, if you can look at what happened on September 11th, 2001, and then the logical conclusion is we got to invade a country that had nothing to do with it.

54:18

It's crazy. It's crazy. And then they did it and they said, well, there's weapons of mass destruction there.

54:22

Okay. And they cost more than a million lives.

54:25

And it turns out there were no weapons. It's

54:27

just a weird thing where I go. I'm just like one of those old school guys.

54:31

It goes to show me one video of the plane, hitting the Pentagon.

54:34

And I'm good. See, I think There's a video of the plane.

54:36

He looks like a fucking plane that look like It's

54:39

a trail of smoke. They doctored at 9 11, 9 11.

54:44

The new Pearl Harbor is a crazy documentary by this Italian guy, Massimo, Zuko.

54:48

It's five hours. Watch it. You people have nothing to do.

54:51

It's five hours.

54:54

It's great. I'm telling you right now, it's a five-hour documentary on YouTube.

54:58

You will watch it. Get the fam together, sit him down popcorn.

55:01

And I'm telling you right now because I watched it to debunk it.

55:04

I watched it to debunk it and went, yeah, you start going into the flight, the phones at 30,000 feet, these people having a conversation, it's just not happening.

55:13

Something's off. You Can't

55:14

have All 30,000.

55:16

Something's really, really off with that day.

55:18

But you just can't now in these publications that write about me, they described me as like nine 11 truther.

55:24

COVID denier. It's like, I just get all these.

55:27

You had COVID how can you be?

55:28

I've never said COVID was not real.

55:32

Yeah. You know, I've said, I thought it was good.

55:35

Well, I've had people mad at me because I medicated.

55:38

Cause I took Medicare. You

55:40

mean, as you're in shape, you eat right.

55:42

You work out. Why would you take the medication Better

55:46

than not taking medication? This stuff works.

55:48

Of course. And I'm not saying you shouldn't take medication.

55:52

I'm saying, You're saying you should take Medica.

55:54

I'm saying You should. For sure.

55:56

Always. But it, especially if it's proven medication that works, but the point is like, you shouldn't have a binary solution for things.

56:03

So it's either this or nothing, right?

56:05

It's either one or zero. That's crazy.

56:08

Do you, when people pass away, they donate a large chunk of their fortune to like research and things like that.

56:14

Do you think you'll donate yours to Robert F.

56:16

Kennedy Jr. Or like Dana white?

56:19

Who will you give your money to?

56:21

Demi Lovato.

56:23

She's she's gonna, She's gonna give it to ghosts.

56:26

Hey man. She used to live in my building fun woman.

56:31

Yeah. It's it's straight. Do you ever think to yourself what's the next act?

56:34

Because you've literally, you're the most successful comedian probably.

56:39

When you look at all the different things you've done, there's not many people that have like, what do you ever go?

56:45

I've done it all. And that's a little scary.

56:48

No, no, because I don't think like that ever the crazy thing about all the different things that have done is I all I've ever tried to do.

56:55

Like I tried to become a professional comedian.

56:58

I actually achieved that. And then I started working as a professional comic and then all the other stuff is just stuff that came up.

57:03

Whether it's acting on news radio, that was just, they just offered me money to, Can

57:08

you still keep in touch with Kathy Griffin?

57:10

No, I would though. I love her.

57:13

Yeah. Was she on that show or now?

57:15

No. Okay. I thought she was on that show.

57:17

No, no, No. Kathy Griffin was on just shoot me.

57:22

Right. It was the other one. Yeah. She's nice.

57:25

Yeah. Vicky Lewis was on news radio.

57:28

That's what you're thinking Of. Yeah.

57:30

Okay. I don't know. I don't know about her. She's Redheaded

57:32

too. She's asking. Maybe I'm getting confused. I always joke around that.

57:35

Like she was stealing her act joking around And

57:39

you worked with Phil Hartman who was like one of the funniest people Ever.

57:42

But again, that was just like, I stumbled into that show.

57:46

Like completely stumbled into it.

57:48

I had no acting experience.

57:50

I mean, I'd done a little bit acting on another terrible sitcom that got canceled that got canceled.

57:55

All of a sudden I'm on news radio working with Dave Foley and Andy Dick and Phil Hartman with real acting experience.

58:01

I'm like, what the fuck is happening? What's going on?

58:03

And then I go from that to fear factor. I'm like, well, this will get canceled immediately.

58:06

Meanwhile, I was one of the most successful reality shows ever.

58:09

It's like 600. What did you learn from like that was he choose, do everything and don't focus too much on like, cause there's, there's there's, even though you're saying you're stumbling into them and you are stumbling into them, there's a skill to stumbling, right?

58:25

There's a skill to being positioned yourself in a way that you can kind of get those opportunities Is

58:30

that, but there's also being able to handle pressure, like being able to handle auditions, pressure, being able to handle the pressure of a speaking live in front of a large audience, whether it's doing the UFC broadcast or doing a comedy show or a podcast gotta be able to handle pressure.

58:48

Right. Some people just suck at pressure, you know?

58:50

And I always put myself in these positions where I have to perform at a pressure because opportunities are available there because so many people don't like pressure.

58:58

So I would look at it, go, oh, they're scared.

59:00

People are scared of this. So I'll go do that.

59:02

Right. It's less people doing it. And this it's more exciting to me because it's kind of dangerous When

59:08

you got into it was your family like, oh, this is cool.

59:11

Or were they like, no, what are you doing?

59:13

Yeah. I go to school, get a career.

59:15

Right. A real job. Like you're not funny. Right. There was a lot of that.

59:18

Right, right. When I was fighting, like, you're going to get hurt.

59:20

You know, like everything I've done, like what are you doing?

59:23

You know, it's just, it's hard.

59:25

If you have a child and you want your child to be successful, you don't want your child to take some wild, crazy, fucking chance that w what is a million to one chance it's going to pan out probably more than a million, right.

59:36

Childhood. Like to show Cobra, Kai, Netflix, where you're just fighting people all the time.

59:40

That's what I imagine it is. You're just, you're in a dojo.

59:42

You have a sensei, you just fight the other kids at the, at the, you know, Well,

59:48

I did fight a lot of people, but I did it mostly in tournaments, but I did fight.

59:52

And dojo's a lot. We use dojo fights.

59:55

Not that I know of.

59:57

Okay. Why were you fighting everybody? Were they fighting you?

1:00:00

Yeah. Yeah. Like guys would come in from other schools and they challenge us.

1:00:04

And I was often the guy who got thrown in with them.

1:00:08

Yeah. When you were younger, were you bullied?

1:00:11

What motivated you? Yeah.

1:00:13

Yeah. I was small and guys would pick on me and I moved around a lot.

1:00:17

Like we moved all the time. Like I lived in San Francisco from New Jersey to age seven and San Francisco, age seven to 11, Florida, 11 to 13, Boston, 13, 24.

1:00:27

So I was talking to moving constantly. So I never really established a great group of friends that I was tight with.

1:00:32

I was always the new kid and I was not big.

1:00:35

So I got fucked with, right. So you learn to defend Yourself?

1:00:38

Well, I had to, when I, when I moved to, to Newton, I got fucked with like, by a bunch of kids.

1:00:44

And it was kinda scary, you know, I didn't know how to defend myself.

1:00:47

And I was like, fuck, like I got to do something.

1:00:49

And so I started taking martial arts and it changed my life.

1:00:53

180 degrees, turned it around 180 degrees.

1:00:57

And then all of a sudden, I wasn't worried about conflict anymore.

1:00:59

And then I became obsessed with being like, oh, like a world champion.

1:01:04

I became obsessed with being a Good

1:01:06

teacher where there's a few good teachers that stand out.

1:01:09

I had quite a few, but I went, I got very lucky that I went to this one school, this Jay hun Kim TaeKwonDo Institute in Boston, that's like one of the most highly respected schools in the country at the time, at least.

1:01:21

And it was just dead lucky, just dead luck.

1:01:24

I just happened to go there one day.

1:01:26

And I happened to go there while this guy, John Lee was training for the world championships.

1:01:31

And I G I happen to watch him train, like when he was at his peak of condition, when he was a national champion and I became obsessed.

1:01:38

And I was there every day. Right. My, most of my high school from like age 15, all the way until I was 21 was just obsessed with martial arts and competing, traveling all over the country.

1:01:50

That's mostly what I did. And Your

1:01:51

friends, I guess where people in that world.

1:01:54

Yes. Yeah. Some of them like my friend, Steve Graham, I'm still really tight with.

1:01:59

And how did, what makes you go from that to comedy?

1:02:03

Well, it's kind of an interesting transition Brain

1:02:07

damage. There was a little bit of that because I was, I was definitely aware that I was getting hit in the head too much.

1:02:11

That was, especially when I started kickboxing. I had three kickboxing fights.

1:02:15

And when I was training for kickboxing, which I did for more than a year, there was a lot of getting hit in the head.

1:02:21

There was a lot of hard sparring rounds.

1:02:23

And then I was also watching a lot of other people that I saw that had brain damage.

1:02:26

I was like, oh, like, this guy is not who he used to be like, he's slipping.

1:02:30

And then I realized like, oh my God, this is happening to me.

1:02:32

And there was no money in it. There was no UFC back then.

1:02:36

So this is 19 88, 89 is when I got to get out how to get out.

1:02:40

And I had to get out soon before I ruined my brain, you know?

1:02:43

And then also, fortunately my friend, Steve, that I was talking about earlier, he was one of the people that told me I should be a comedian because I would, we would go on these trips to go to fight and tournaments right.

1:02:55

Often times to be on a bus or we traveled by car together and we'd be bored.

1:03:00

And I would be the one who made everybody laugh.

1:03:02

And so like, if we were like getting ready to spar, everybody would be super nervous.

1:03:06

And I would say the most inappropriate shit.

1:03:09

Right. And get laughs out of people. And once I knew that I could get laughs, then I would just try to do it.

1:03:14

Right. Whenever I knew people were nervous, I would say the inappropriate thing or do impressions of people or impressions of like our instructor having sex.

1:03:21

She, you just establish yourself as kind of the funny dude silly.

1:03:25

Yeah. I was just really funny. Like it was gallows humor.

1:03:28

Cause everyone was so scared and it was also would alleviate some of the pressure of like getting scared before you go to a tournament.

1:03:35

Right. We're all scared. Right. You know? And so my friend Steve said, you really should be a fucking comedian.

1:03:41

Yeah. I go, wow, man, you think I'm funny?

1:03:43

Cause you like me, I go out other people gonna think I'm an asshole.

1:03:47

Right. And he's like, I don't, you should just go and just see an open mic night and try it.

1:03:52

And so I did, I went to an open mic night where you hooked on night one.

1:03:55

Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. Richard, Jenny had a great point.

1:03:58

Yeah. He goes, horrible. Comedians are amazing in that.

1:04:01

They inspire people to try it because you look at someone who's terrible and you go, well, I can't be as bad as that guy.

1:04:07

Right. I'll give it a shot. Right. That's what open mic night was to me, I had thought of standup like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor.

1:04:14

I thought like, I can't do that.

1:04:16

These guys are too good. Right. Then you go to open mic night and you go, oh, some of these people are terrible.

1:04:22

Right. And they're doing it. And like, I can kind of do it.

1:04:24

Like they're doing it maybe a little better than them.

1:04:26

Maybe I can, maybe I could do this. And then on the same night, like there was like Jonathan Katz was the host of the open mic night from Ms.

1:04:34

Dr. Katz in Boston. Yeah. He was the host of open mic night, the first time everyone on stage.

1:04:38

And then on that night, some other real professionals went on like Teddy burrs.

1:04:43

Ron went on, I got to see him go on and I, I got hooked immediately.

1:04:47

So I did my first set and then I almost chickened out.

1:04:50

I got really close to chickening out. Oh my God.

1:04:53

I came that close to post-season out.

1:04:55

Yeah. And then once I did it, I was hooked.

1:04:57

And then I started doing it all the time. And you got successful pretty quick.

1:05:00

Pretty quick. Yeah. I mean, luckily in Boston you could get work pretty quick.

1:05:05

Right. You know? So like within one year of doing open mic nights and you know, and we'd, I mean, Fitzsimmons and I started out together and we would DRO Greg and I would drive together to Rhode Island to do 10 minutes.

1:05:16

Right. So we'd 90 minutes to 10 minutes for That.

1:05:19

88. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. We'll start in 88.

1:05:21

We brought, we'll start with like within a week of each other.

1:05:24

You got a comment everybody's smoking cigarettes, you know, old school.

1:05:28

Oh Yeah, yeah.

1:05:30

Bars, Improv

1:05:32

comedy. Yeah. Yeah. There was no idea. Like there was no non-smoking right.

1:05:39

Yeah. Everyone's smoked. Right?

1:05:41

Yeah. And people would just, you would, you would go out do the 10 minutes.

1:05:44

Yeah. Sink or swim killer bomb.

1:05:47

And then you would be back on the road.

1:05:49

Yep. And then we would try to go to different places. Like we would go to a couple different spots a night if we could, you know, sometimes we knew another guy on another room, so you know, Oh,

1:05:57

back then, would you look at certain people and go that guy's going to make it.

1:06:01

A lot of people I thought were going to make it that didn't.

1:06:03

And what, What do you attribute a lot of that to why do you think a lot of funny people, cause I've seen that now I've been doing it about 11 years.

1:06:09

Probably almost 12 years. Now a lot of people, I was like, that person was really funny and they didn't get to that next level.

1:06:16

I don't know, Man. Yeah. I don't, I mean, I think a lot, a bunch of Drinking,

1:06:21

That's a Little too much sometimes drinking.

1:06:24

That could be it, but it's also, there's psychology involved.

1:06:27

Like the, the mind games that, that the unknown and the uncertain play on people.

1:06:34

Some, sometimes people just crack can't take it anymore.

1:06:37

Just like we were talking about fame, people crack under fame.

1:06:41

Like they get to a certain point where they can't handle this anymore.

1:06:44

Right. They Don't know what's real. They crack under that.

1:06:46

They crack under the pressure of not knowing if they're going to make it.

1:06:50

I mean, I've seen that in actors too.

1:06:52

Like I've been friends with actors that were like, they'd get on a show and then, you know, they'd auditioned for another show and then maybe not make it, but maybe have like another callback for the thing.

1:07:02

And they're always in flux and it would, they would go crazy because they didn't know like, what am I doing with my life?

1:07:08

What is happening? Is this going to work out?

1:07:11

Am I, and they'd start crying freaking out.

1:07:13

It's like just the uncertainty and the unknown for some people it's just too much.

1:07:17

It's too much. Some of them are really fucking talented.

1:07:19

Okay. I'm really funny. And then there's a lot of people that are somewhat mediocre, but they have mastered the unknown.

1:07:28

Yeah. Like that's delusional.

1:07:31

Yeah. There's crazy people out there that have, that can channel that into certitude and then they start convincing themselves.

1:07:39

Like they've convinced himself. They're great.

1:07:42

And then they start convincing everyone else.

1:07:44

And it's kind of like the emperor has no clothes where everyone's like, I guess they're great.

1:07:48

Well, I don't even know about that. But one thing that some mediocre people do is they're not funny at all, but they've managed to stay around right here.

1:07:56

They are 10 years later, 15 years later, he's still here.

1:08:00

He's still going up hosting that show with the I'm

1:08:02

doing it. Still doing it.

1:08:04

Yeah. Do you hear, do you think people that are starting comedy now are, is it going to be a completely different world where I tend to think now people that are starting are going to have to go to the internet and, and almost the same way that you were taking a beating at open mics and things like that.

1:08:25

They're almost going to have to take a beating on line in front of a digital audience to build their thing because the, the mainstream or the legacy industry seems to have comedy seems to be dying.

1:08:38

So even though they'll be getting good at standup on the side, if they don't have other components, What

1:08:44

do you mean by the mainstream of comedies? Meaning that the Idea

1:08:46

of moving to New York or LA and doing 20 sets a week and then getting the Montreal comedy festival and then getting the Booker at the club to see you in like you and then getting a special on HBO.

1:08:58

All that seems to be dying. I know so many people with our specials and nobody's watching them right.

1:09:03

Or so many people with late night TV shows like they're hosting them and no one cares.

1:09:07

Yeah, that's true. And they're not making that much money.

1:09:10

And it seems to be a smaller and smaller circle of people that this is mattering to every day, the Internet's expanding.

1:09:16

It seems to be getting bigger and bigger. And the people that have a platform online digital platform seem to be getting more and more attention.

1:09:24

So to me, isn't there an inevitable shift coming to where comics really are just going to have to compete digitally.

1:09:33

I think the digital aspect of it is the best way to promote themselves, for sure.

1:09:37

Whether it's through putting their stuff online on a YouTube or a rumble or Instagram or whatever they're doing.

1:09:43

Like people had her Get

1:09:45

her. That's a news story By the Chinese communist party.

1:09:48

Now I believe. Yeah. Why are you, it's a new story that you on getter?

1:09:52

Well, the news story is they're, they're fucking amount of people that signed up increased by 1150% or something.

1:09:59

You have a 20 minute or you have like a 9 million followers on getter.

1:10:03

Is it not Rianna? Doesn't even have 9 million people?

1:10:05

No, it's very, it's fuckery fuckery with that.

1:10:09

This is where the fuck he is. They take all my Twitter followers.

1:10:12

So my Twitter follows like 7.8 million and then they port those over.

1:10:16

So I started out with 7.8.

1:10:19

So whatever I have now, if I have eight, it's like really I have 200,000.

1:10:23

She'll get her full gays.

1:10:28

And every time I post on Twitter, it posts automatically on getter.

1:10:31

Oh, interest. Yeah. Like it's automatically deleted.

1:10:34

She was just Harvesting your Tweets.

1:10:36

And I don't know how to get off. Like if I get off a getter, You

1:10:40

have to, you have to sit down with Marjorie Taylor green person.

1:10:45

And she's got to tell me all about what's in the basement, common pizza.

1:10:48

It's gotta take you down the rabbit all.

1:10:50

Then you come out the other side of, but yeah, it, it seems to me that like the business is kind of dying.

1:10:56

I don't think it is. No,

1:10:58

no, I disagree. I think it is.

1:11:00

No, no, no. The, that aspect of the business, as far as like Montreal comedy festival and stuff like that, being beneficial, that's true.

1:11:07

That's dying. Right. But podcasts have taken their place.

1:11:10

Right. Comedians now like Brian Simpson, who's got new Netflix.

1:11:13

One of the best. Yeah. He's working with me this weekend.

1:11:16

He's one of the best. I love him to death.

1:11:17

And he, now that he has this huge Netflix special, that killed, and he's been on my podcast a couple of times he's got a career.

1:11:25

Right. He's killing it. Right. He will continue to kill it.

1:11:28

So this is where the, the, the, But he's not as big as ran.

1:11:31

BU so my point is that who's that ran booze a Minecraft streamer choke stop.

1:11:37

Pretend you don't know who he is. Is that real?

1:11:39

Yeah. He's a Minecraft Schumer. My point is that things are moving Quickly.

1:11:45

Compare ourselves to Minecraft. I understand That.

1:11:47

But I'm just saying yes, we can.

1:11:53

I was in the new day in Dr.

1:11:55

Disrespect as a book, Mr.

1:11:57

BESE has a Burger. Well, Mr. B's deserves a book.

1:11:59

He's a brilliant guy. He's got it.

1:12:01

It's a great show. Yeah, he does. He does. He's A

1:12:03

visionary guy. It's a smart thing that he does.

1:12:05

He spends a shit load of money on his show.

1:12:07

That's what I mean. These are the new stars.

1:12:09

Well, that's just that world, but those are the new stars in terms of like, that would, he would be a reality TV star, like 10 years ago, show he's a YouTube star, but now he's his own fucking boss and he's doing it the right way, which is why it's so successful.

1:12:23

The same thing with your podcast.

1:12:24

Imagine a world where an executive bankrolls your podcast and says, oh, you're going to sit together with your friend, Ben.

1:12:32

And you're aware cop sunglasses.

1:12:34

And you're going to talk shit about the whole world.

1:12:37

Yeah. What are you talking about? You want me to pay for that?

1:12:39

I can think of several executives that would fund it, but they're all disgrace, Angelo Mozilo and country ride.

1:12:45

Dick folded Lehmann brothers black.

1:12:49

Yeah. The world has changed, but there are new avenues that are available.

1:12:53

But the world of comedy remains in clubs.

1:12:57

Like you, It is true. You got to be able to get on stage and play.

1:13:01

And we both, yeah. That is the most important.

1:13:04

One of the most important thing it's like, I'm not giving that up.

1:13:06

Like stand up. Fucking awesome.

1:13:09

And yes, that is always going to be a thing that I like to see.

1:13:12

And it's always going to be a thing that I like to do.

1:13:14

And it's always going to be a thing where people want to go see a comic.

1:13:17

They want to go live. It's a fun thing to do The

1:13:20

point where people know you so well from the internet that when you get on stage, they just clap for 45 minutes.

1:13:26

You don't even have to write material.

1:13:28

And then you can just leave. You can kind of wave like princess Diana used to do.

1:13:32

I don't think that ever happened. I don't think you ever get off course.

1:13:35

Now. I feel the heat after about 15 seconds.

1:13:37

Oh, of course you do. I, I get nervous. As soon as I walk on stage, I get the mic.

1:13:41

I got it. It's the biggest high you ever have.

1:13:44

It's the best thing. It's the best art. It's

1:13:46

also the best thing for the audience. Like it turns out it's the most audience member.

1:13:51

I love watching someone kill. It's fun.

1:13:53

That's right. When I laugh hard, like I'm laughing hard.

1:13:55

Somebody killing From a generation of people that leaves their house.

1:13:58

That's true. There's a whole generation of people that are scared to leave the room.

1:14:04

Well, let alone the house audience and die Quit.

1:14:08

You have to keep evolving. You should be on Twitch.

1:14:11

You should be streaming. I'm on Spotify.

1:14:14

You're a young man evolution. You can keep going.

1:14:16

Where's my deal. What did they tell us?

1:14:18

Fuck off for the ninth time. All because they're telling you To

1:14:21

fucking Attack the CEO.

1:14:23

I said he was at pedophile. It was a job. Not real.

1:14:25

No one can have fun anymore. I think he said, I'm a pedophile too.

1:14:29

I don't know if I did that. But I said that the CEO was something rather, but then, so he's mad at you.

1:14:35

No, he's not mad, but apparently because they have you, they don't need me because we have overlap and they're still going by the day.

1:14:42

Get you. They're still going by the old numbers that say that their shows bigger than mine.

1:14:46

Those are the old numbers. That's last week. It shows not even on YouTube anymore.

1:14:49

I keep telling them it's true. It's not even on YouTube.

1:14:52

They go, oh no, it doesn't matter. We have the internals in your bed.

1:14:56

Honestly, the, the beautiful thing about Spotify has been the lack of censorship and the lack of fear of having episodes polled and all It's

1:15:03

been amazing. And in the beginning, people thought they were going to be worse than YouTube.

1:15:07

They've actually conversely, been so much better.

1:15:11

Yeah. So much better. I think that's just cause people are, they tear there.

1:15:14

They hate change. They hate any kind of like niche thing that's happening.

1:15:18

And you know, also it's like, they hate, they hate someone doing well.

1:15:22

So someone gets some crazy deal and they're making all this money like, oh, it sucks.

1:15:26

Now I used to watch now I hate it.

1:15:29

Yeah. Fuck.

1:15:29

It's normal.

1:15:31

It's normal. So, and also in the beginning I did lose a lot.

1:15:35

We lost like 50% of our audience, like almost right away.

1:15:39

Yeah. Jamie was in a frothy panic.

1:15:41

Really? Look at him. Well, he's got so many other opportunities, frothy, Panic.

1:15:45

Yeah. But a year later we've got as much.

1:15:47

If not more, we have more and it's better.

1:15:50

It's bigger than it's ever been. It just, it just had to like, this is Just

1:15:53

what happens immediately. I Was

1:15:55

like, good. Let me be 10% less famous.

1:15:58

I'll be happy for 25 can be 25%, less fame and more money.

1:16:02

Well, that's not the way it's worked out that.

1:16:04

Well, that's funny that you sat down and you're like, let's be a little less controversial, little less famous.

1:16:09

Well, I wasn't on the other side of it, you have Fowchee trying to drone you outside of your house.

1:16:14

It didn't really for him now.

1:16:16

Yeah. Oh my God. That, Oh

1:16:18

yeah. Yeah. They're common for him. They held their security.

1:16:20

He could the Cuomos yes. They hell you inhale.

1:16:23

You let the Cuomo, Well, that's a different situation.

1:16:25

But the Fowchee situation after ran, Paul attacked him for gain of function research.

1:16:29

And then people started looking in again of fucking research and it all came from Josh Rogan's reporting and Josh Rogan.

1:16:34

He was the one who showed that the Fowchee funding, the EcoHealth Alliance that the NIH funding them is what started up gain of function research in Wu Han, like after Obama had put the kibosh on it.

1:16:48

Yeah. And he's like still in denial, but the NIH has come clean.

1:16:51

And IHS has said, yes, it's gain of function, research and found she's like gain of function.

1:16:55

Research is a very nebulous term.

1:16:59

Like he talks so Slow.

1:17:01

He gets into diseases. The guy's a problem.

1:17:04

It's amazing. Here is like the way he handles where he's obviously cornered and he just like jujitsu.

1:17:13

Well, he's also been a government guy forever, forever.

1:17:17

He's been a bureaucrat government employee.

1:17:20

Yeah. And he's paid more than the president. Yeah.

1:17:22

And they did a documentary about him and it's, he's very vain.

1:17:25

The Documentary about him is the reason they took the thumbs down off of YouTube.

1:17:28

It's Crazy how vain, how vain he is, you know, and how, you know, unwilling.

1:17:35

He has to give up the spotlight, even when, as you showed me that you hear a clip, people are like, you know, you might accomplish the goal of getting more people vaccinated by stepping aside.

1:17:46

Yeah. Because you're not well liked or trusted.

1:17:48

And it's crazy to watch them react to that.

1:17:50

Yeah. You're Crazy.

1:17:52

Crazy. Completely disagree.

1:17:55

Yeah. It's my show.

1:17:57

If you criticize Anthony Fowchee.

1:18:01

Yeah. Criticizing Zion.

1:18:03

Would you have Billy boy gates on a hundred percent?

1:18:07

Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. I Think that would be interesting to say, how do I get in the club?

1:18:10

Yeah. What do I have To do? Well, it's about that time.

1:18:12

You're you're knocking on that door. How do I get a yacht dude?

1:18:15

What if you just reversed everything you said tomorrow?

1:18:18

Like, it would be kind of hilarious if you just went in here tomorrow and go, you know, I slept on it and I've decided I got double vacs last Night.

1:18:26

I got double vacs last night shots. At the same time I had a great sleep and I have the CEO of Pfizer and Madonna here and Hillary Clinton.

1:18:34

And we're all gonna tell you everything's okay.

1:18:37

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's the moon. Does it scare you to be at the level of prominence you are with like a family trust the idea of like, as the kids grow up and they hear things on the news, does it, is it harder for you to explain to them what I do?

1:18:57

Yeah. I mean, it's, it's not easy to explain, but nor would it be easy to explain if I was a Hitman, you know, it's like, well, These

1:19:03

are the only two options. That's How

1:19:05

I live. I have one, one or two choices.

1:19:09

Do I go out like the Punisher, But

1:19:13

so D do they ever ask or is it, are they not?

1:19:16

They think it's funny, like rap, but they think it's funny.

1:19:18

Cause I think it's funny. That's right. Like when I come home, like daddy's in trouble again, the, the government's mad at daddy.

1:19:26

They don't, if, I guess if I really tweaked, they would probably tweak too.

1:19:31

But you set that standard of like, this is part of the job Part,

1:19:33

part of the gig, man, you know? And you know, it's that if you can't take the heat expression, right.

1:19:40

It shouldn't be in this business. Right?

1:19:42

Absolutely. So the business of opinions, you know, we're in the business of opinions and it's a weird fucking business because people, it's hard for people to have opinions today because of corporate structures, human resources, you know, you want to make it up the corporate ladder and there's an ideology that your company has.

1:19:56

And if it's left-wing or right-wing, you have to toe that line.

1:19:59

Like it's fucking hard for people to just have opinions.

1:20:02

And even if they do have opinions, when do they have the time to talk about it?

1:20:05

That's right. The thing about talking about opinions, like we do, we sit and talk for hours and hours.

1:20:10

Nobody has the time to do that. What have you learned?

1:20:13

I think through this whole period, not only just the last year, but the last few years, about the way that friendships work at your level, because everybody wants something from you.

1:20:28

Right? You have this platform, you can share it with people.

1:20:33

Everybody wants to get on the show.

1:20:35

Everybody wants maybe you to endorse there.

1:20:38

I have friends who call me like, yo tell Joe that this weed opportunity.

1:20:42

I'm like, are you on drugs?

1:20:45

And they are, but like, how do you deal with that?

1:20:49

Whereas all these different people have to say no to a lot of, Thank

1:20:52

you. Say no to a lot of people. And sometimes yeah.

1:20:54

And sometimes it's uncomfortable. Like sometimes people won't let it go.

1:20:57

And, And you said people will come at you all different ways, friends, wife, everybody just, Yeah.

1:21:03

Yeah. It's, it's, it's a, it's an issue, you know?

1:21:06

I mean, I changed my phone number a lot.

1:21:08

Right. I've got to change it again. You know, changed it last year.

1:21:11

I got to change it again. I have several phones.

1:21:14

I have four phones now I used to have three now.

1:21:17

Four. That's crazy. No, I have a, B, C and D.

1:21:20

You're a congratulations. Congrats.

1:21:21

Thank you very much. I appreciate it When I carry.

1:21:24

But there's a lot of people that I'll check there. I check that phone once a week, right?

1:21:29

Yeah. And maybe not even sometimes not, he was the best cast You've

1:21:32

had other than me in the last seven or eight years.

1:21:35

Would you say There's so many good ones, man.

1:21:37

Is There anything, I Mean, so many serious ones, somebody Finding

1:21:40

that in my head is Peterson.

1:21:43

Yeah. Classic. Yeah. He's awesome.

1:21:47

Bob Lasar oh yeah. That was great. That's a great episode.

1:21:49

You know, I don't know if he's Mike Tyson or not.

1:21:52

Mike Tyson's Dre. A lot of great ones.

1:21:54

Milan Ilan is always great. And Alex, yeah.

1:21:57

Alex is great. Yeah. I've had so many great ones.

1:22:00

So many comics, like one of the things that we've been doing is me.

1:22:04

Shane Gillis, Mark Norman and Ari Shaffir we do this thing called the cuddle party.

1:22:09

Yeah. It was the four of us and we get fucking hammered the most shit.

1:22:12

And then afterwards, like panic, like maybe we should cut that part out.

1:22:16

That's when you know it's good. Yeah. That's when, you know, an Episode

1:22:19

is, We've only had one person and it was young.

1:22:22

His pop has come on our show where we couldn't use any of it.

1:22:25

He just starts attacking screaming about Allie Wong.

1:22:29

I mean, he's, he's mentally ill.

1:22:31

We love him, but he's meant he's unwell. And we know that too many euros.

1:22:34

And should we just couldn't use it, but God love him.

1:22:38

The but yeah, those are when you know they're good episodes.

1:22:41

Yeah. Well it's those, but those were the ones with comics are my favorite because I feel the most at home.

1:22:46

I mean, look, I wear a lot of different hats for lack of a better term.

1:22:51

When you do this, when I do this thing, it's very strange.

1:22:54

Like sometimes I'm talking to a scientist, sometimes I'm talking to someone who wrote a book about the environment.

1:23:00

Sometimes I'm talking to a psychologist.

1:23:02

Sometimes I'm talking to comedians, I'm talking to a fighter.

1:23:06

Sometimes I'm talking to an event. It's like, it's a weird gig, man.

1:23:10

And it's only me.

1:23:13

That's booking them. It's like, like that guy looks like fun.

1:23:16

How do people get on? People ask me all the time they go.

1:23:18

How does somebody get on that?

1:23:20

I seek people out. I Said,

1:23:22

yeah, I think I'm like, he just has to want you to come on.

1:23:25

Yeah, That's it. There's no other way on it.

1:23:28

I have to say yes. Like there's literally no other way on.

1:23:33

There's also giving me $25,000.

1:23:36

And what that'll do is increase the likelihood.

1:23:38

It'll help. It'll help. But it's not.

1:23:41

I've done that once freely. Yes. I didn't take the money, but he paid a friend that he, my friend was broke and told me, Hey, this guy told me that if I get you on, if I get him on your podcast, he'll give me $25,000.

1:23:55

That was the exact number. It's crazy.

1:23:57

And I said, listen, I said, I would have that guy on anyway.

1:24:01

Cause he's really interesting, right?

1:24:02

Yes you can. I love you.

1:24:04

So you take the money and then I'll have a month.

1:24:07

I would just let you know. I would've had him on any way, but don't tell him that and get that money for you.

1:24:13

There's no one way on, there's just, you have to be interested in what somebody is saying.

1:24:17

That's One of the beauties of the podcast is that it's only what I'm interested in.

1:24:22

So whether it's talking to Bobolis R or talking to a fighter or talking to an artist, you know, like people, like it's all I have to be interested.

1:24:31

And I'm like, oh, I'd like to talk to that guy. Or Oliver stone who was on today.

1:24:34

I was like, all of a sudden wanted to come on. And I don't know if you've seen his new fucking Kennedy documentary.

1:24:39

Amazing. Holy Shit. I haven't seen It, but it's fucking amazing.

1:24:42

And there's a four hour one that's coming out at the end of it's on Showtime right now until the end of February at the end of February.

1:24:48

It's everywhere. And he's going to release a four-hour version.

1:24:51

Wow. Yeah. It's fucking fantastic.

1:24:53

So this Leave will leave. No doubt that it's Oh

1:24:56

God, there's no doubt with the two hour one, but he says deeper with the four, the four hours, like having all of her stone on like, fuck.

1:25:02

Yeah, fuck.

1:25:04

Yeah. Like those kinds of people. It's like, it's just who I'm interested in.

1:25:07

I can I talk to that person?

1:25:10

Yeah. Let's go get them. Let's do a short that's what it is.

1:25:14

Yeah. I mean, that's one of the reasons why the podcast works is because there's never a moment.

1:25:17

Like, do you remember that? Bill Hicks bit about Jay Leno sitting there talking to Joey Lawrence and his blood Splatters.

1:25:23

Like NBC Peacock. Yeah. He's a company, man.

1:25:27

Yeah. But it's that Jay Leno really didn't want to talk to these guys.

1:25:30

Right? That's the bit like, Hey Joey Lawrence, he got a girlfriend maybe.

1:25:36

Yeah. You know, and you told people you want to talk exactly.

1:25:39

Like there's no one gets on in less As

1:25:43

a rage. I think you is that you've really found this way to monetize enjoying stuff and satiating your curiosity and having these long, meaningful conversations and you've revolutionized belonged form discussion and all of these other media figures that supposedly could have done it or fancy Themselves

1:26:03

to be intellectuals. And to me, none of them did it.

1:26:07

You did it, a comedian, an MMA commentator.

1:26:10

You did it. None of them did it.

1:26:13

It's weird. So I think a lot of the rage at you comes from now, it's that you just chance on yourself and it worked out and none of them did well.

1:26:23

It's, it's weird too, in that look when it became a long form, just because that's what I wanted to do.

1:26:30

Like Ari was like the fucking most adamant person telling me, you go to church, you go to ODU.

1:26:37

He would tell me like, I'm totally right now.

1:26:39

You're fucking up. I go, how I fuck it up?

1:26:41

He goes, you got to edit your show. It's too long. I go, well then don't listen right now.

1:26:46

When he goes, people won't listen to you go. They don't have to.

1:26:49

Yeah. I'm like, I don't care. Yeah. I was making no money.

1:26:52

I was making $0 and I was doing it every week.

1:26:55

Yeah. And it got to the point where it w there was one time when me and red band were sitting around and he goes, do you know any downloads?

1:27:00

This gets, you know, and he goes to the episode, got a million downloads.

1:27:03

And it was like, click a record. Skip.

1:27:06

Yeah. What, what, yeah. Where did that?

1:27:08

A million downloads.

1:27:10

Ari has great advice. He told me once that I should, I should put out a tweet about Kobe Bryant and I didn't.

1:27:17

Thank God. But just so sometimes he is wrong.

1:27:19

Sometimes, sometimes he's wrong.

1:27:21

He's a funny guy, but he, have you ever seen his Dick and balls every day?

1:27:26

I mean, he's let him stay at my rental on TAC sent me this video.

1:27:30

All he does is, is expose himself, indecently.

1:27:35

His, his balls don't look like the belong with his Dick.

1:27:38

I told him that his balls seemed like his Dick is a hermit crab and stole his balls from someone else.

1:27:44

And the living inside of it.

1:27:46

He's I used to completely out of his mind, Maria.

1:27:50

And I thought about shit, my best friends.

1:27:53

So in a way, so you're here with me in spiritually.

1:27:55

So happy new year.

1:28:00

It's insane. There's so big. It's like elephant Titus.

1:28:03

They're like, like a giant Chimp.

1:28:07

Yeah. Like, you know, chimps. It's like elephant, Titus.

1:28:10

It's crazy. It's like, how does a family, like Texas love it.

1:28:13

They love it. Yeah. They love it. They love it. Yeah, man, it's fucking great here.

1:28:16

Yeah. People are so much more relaxed. And my, what I think is really important.

1:28:20

And when I'm doing here with the club and the podcast here is I'm completely removing myself from the influence of Hollywood.

1:28:28

Right. Because when you're in LA, you're still living.

1:28:31

You're still at your staff still. It's contagious.

1:28:34

Yeah. It's in the air. And you're like, Ooh, I got it on me.

1:28:36

Like that disingenuous bullshit for, you know, that fake sort of behavior that they do.

1:28:43

That stuff gets into our business.

1:28:46

Yeah. We have those actor types that kind of like, they, they dance in both worlds.

1:28:51

And he, I have like one foot in the actor world, one foot in, and then they'll tweet about stuff that the fuck are you doing about that?

1:28:58

Right? Because they're in these both worlds and that world, it contaminates things and comedy deeds to have its own center where it's like comedy is the 100% the thing.

1:29:10

It's not comedy to become a sit-com star com.

1:29:14

I want to tell young comics and I want to help them and say, Hey, you don't have to do anything else.

1:29:20

Right. You can just do comedy. You don't have to have anybody hire you for something.

1:29:23

You can be completely autonomous and you could have all this like freedom to do podcasts, do other people's podcasts.

1:29:31

And we all will work together as an organic network.

1:29:34

You can just practice stand up.

1:29:36

Right. Which is what everybody loves.

1:29:38

Everybody loves standup. You do those other things because you think that's what you have to do for a career.

1:29:42

Yeah. But ultimately, I remember being on news radio.

1:29:45

I remember being on this fear factor in particular and seeing people that I knew that I started out with, they were killing it in theaters and they were on the road all the time.

1:29:53

And that would be jealous. Right. I'd be like, God, I wish I was doing that.

1:29:56

Yeah. That was trapped. Not trap.

1:29:58

Obviously it's a good trap, but I was doing a show and I was like, I can't travel.

1:30:02

You have this show. I have to do all the time.

1:30:05

Yeah. I could travel. Very rarely.

1:30:07

Yeah. I remember thinking God is like cements in my head that I really love standup.

1:30:12

I love money. It's money.

1:30:13

What's what's nice about money is you don't have to worry about money.

1:30:16

Right. Cause if you don't have money, then you worry about money.

1:30:18

But if you can have a clear head and once you get money, don't think, oh my God, I hope this doesn't go away.

1:30:24

Now I have to play everything safe. And I have to, I have to really play by the rules.

1:30:28

So I get more of this Hollywood. Right.

1:30:30

Instead what I did was going, okay, good.

1:30:32

Now I've got some money. Now I can just be free.

1:30:34

Now I'm going to just do what I wanted to.

1:30:36

Yeah. And then the podcast thing came out of that because it was completely organic.

1:30:42

There was no thought whatsoever about it being profitable.

1:30:46

Zero. Yeah. And the club you're going to open in a few months and then a lot of people will come probably to the club from other places too.

1:30:54

Well, cause you have a huge fan base and people will come.

1:30:58

The goal is to be as supportive as possible to stand up and make an awesome place where comics, audiences can come have a great time.

1:31:05

Comics can come and know they're safe.

1:31:08

Right. Have fun there. We, you know, Maybe

1:31:10

you are going to require the booster.

1:31:12

Everyone Gets inclusive before you go on stage every time.

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I think if you just, I think there's a waning period where people are like, well, the vaccine effectiveness have dropped off.

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Maybe if you keep hitting people who come back every fucking week and maybe if you die, you are supposed to, I mean, people are always saying that the roads are too crowded here for sure.

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What have we boost a lot of people.

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Wow. I mean, that makes a lot of sense. I want to thank you for taking your time busy guy.

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Ben is going to get you. We promise you $50.

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Ben, who go to the ATM, get him the money I want to.

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Thank you. Yeah. I want to thank you for being one of these new up and coming people.

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That's very exciting. And I think you're paving the way for a lot of people that are seeing what you're doing.

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Wow. You're courageous. You're a wild motherfucker.

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Chances. You're smart. It's awesome. Well, thank you for doing this.

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Well, I am happy to be your friend and thank you for giving me the strength to be a gamer and be trans good night.

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Thank you. Thank you, Joe.

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Ture Rogen, thank you for coming your first podcast. My pleasure to begin. Thank you for having me. I like the way you do like the way you do this. We come to your studio. It's easy. We see it here. We do it. Jamie has to work extra. He's not happy about it. Jamie's But that's okay. That's alright. Thank you for letting me do we wanted to follow-up Lex Friedman with somebody bigger, and that person is you. And then and it's it's I wanted to ask you because he's been, you know, we were just talking about the Hampton's at how crazy people go. They have an insane amount of money. Yeah. You've done very well in the last forever, but in the last year. Yeah. Do you is it weird as a comic the types of people that you can be around now, or it's weird I'll get messages from celebrities, like random celebrities usually about COVID advice. Right. Like, I get no bullshit. I've helped, like, dozens of people -- Yeah. -- that I've never brought their names up. Like, famous actors -- Right. -- musicians. 25 just contact me for COVID advice. Interesting. Yeah. It's that's weird. But it's also weird that they can just they know I know them, and I'm famous too. So, well, Like, I've reached this weird spot where, like, I feel comfortable meeting famous people. Like, hi fellow famous person -- Right. -- whereas I was plagued by impostor syndrome, like, forever. Like, and I would get real weird around actual celebrity like, gotta run to the store. Right. Hang out with the freaks, you know. But now you're cool with it. It's it's more I'm just more accustomed to it, I guess, but the the money thing and the celebrity thing and all that stuff. It is odd. And it's not good for a comedian. Canadians are best off known but not too famous -- Right. -- because you get too famous. And then you get scrutiny from people aren't even really fans. Right. When you start picking up out your material or looking for, you know, where you've aired on the PC side -- Right. -- you know, and where you're not woke or where this What do you think that is with comics where if they get too much money or if they're they get too big. A lot of them lose their mind. A lot of them have real big problems. Well, famous people lose their mind. Right. It's just a totally unnatural date of existence -- Right. -- wherever where you go, people know you, and they're all happy to see you. Right. And then you also surround yourself with a bunch of people that don't tell you the truth. That's that's pretty common. Right. And you gotta find a way to mitigate that or you'll go insane. Right? You have to have something you have to have something you do that's like an absolute thing. Whether it's a workout thing or you play chess or you fucking, you know, whatever it is, you have to have something that you Whether it's a workout thing or you play chess or you fucking, you know, whatever it is. You have to have something that that you do that's really difficult. Yeah. That doesn't give fuck if you're famous. Right. If you don't have like, it's I look at it literally like like it's a a an exercise for maintaining sanity. Like this, you have to brush your teeth. You have to go workout. Right. But it's not just your workout to be healthy. It's also workout because it's so hard to do -- Right. -- that everything else seems easier. Right. Over the last year, you've kind of become is this the most heat you've ever taken for a position? Oh, it would For about COVID, about the vaccine and stuff like that. Is there? Cause I know that the trans MMA thing was big, but it didn't feel this because I know that the trans MMA thing was big, but it didn't feel this big. Well, the Trans Emma Mae thing was big, but it wasn't it wasn't valid. It was people that don't want any criticism whatsoever about trans people. And I was like, look, I don't have problem with trans people. Right. I have a problem with someone pretending that they're a biological woman and fighting women. Right. Once you say your trans, and everybody says, okay, I'll fight her. Fine. I'm fine with that. And in fact, MMA is one of the best places for that. Because you know exactly who your opponent is -- Right. -- unlike like this swimmer. Was it UPenn? That's what it is? I don't know. Whatever the swimmer is. It's like lapping all these biological women, it's like lapping all these biological women. Right. That's fucked. Right. Because they don't have a choice. They have to get And fighting is you're you're you are more of an expert in finding than many fighting is you're you're you're more of an expert in fighting than many things. Right. This is you put your knowledge of fighting up there. And the knowledge of an advantages that a biological male over if you're giant. The advantage is and I don't think they go away -- Right. -- in two years of, you know, hormone treatments and sort of -- Right. -- it's it's too much of an But if a woman is a biological woman who wants to compete against a trans woman, I have zero problem. Right. And there was a situation like that recently. Yeah. I had no comment about Right. It's basically some regional level of fighters and one was trans and she was a former, like, navy seal, like, fuck and super jacked. Right. Like -- Yeah. -- used to look like -- Right. -- you know, like a savage -- Yeah. -- and then became a woman and fought MMA in. Right. But apparently it was a good fight too. She almost lost in the first round, one in the second round. I don't care. Right. My my issue is not it's not the anti trans positions like -- For sure. -- you can't pretend that that's fair, that you don't tell someone that you were a biological male for thirty fucking years. For thirty fucking years, of having testosterone, pulsing through your system, and strengthening your tendons, and your muscles, and changing the way your mind works. Right. It's a different mind. Yeah. A female. Absolutely. That's so that was a lot That was a big one. But was more like, I realized that people will distort your perceptions on things or your positions on things. This is different. This is, like, the government gets mad at me. Right. Like, this is crazy. This is the most -- And then lies about me. -- I think I've ever seen a private individual take outside of, like, somebody's leaking secrets or something. Right? I mean This is a pretty no. Obviously, you're you're you're fine. You're not, you know, they're not disappearing you. Right? But in terms of just criticism, you know you know, Fauci and you know, people have addressed you personally. You know, like the media has kinda gone after you personally. Does it does it affect you at all being in the midst of this shit storm on the level you're in it, which is pretty you're pretty central. Well, it has to affect you because you're aware of it. If you're aware of it, it has an effect on you. The question is, do you change the way you operate. Like, do I decide? Then now I'm gonna play it safe and I'm gonna just have podcasts with athletes or comedians just talk about silly things. Right. I could do that. Right. I could just decide to bail out of it, or I could just do exactly what I wanna do -- Right. -- and do exactly what got me here in the first place. So that's what I do. Yeah. I'm I'm aware of it, but I'm like -- Right. -- it's I know what's going on too. You know, what's going on? One of the reasons why they go after me is that they realize I have a lot of influence. Another reason why is because they need a boogeyman. Like, the mainstream media needs a Trump. They need a someone. They need a because on their own, the problem is you it's a lot of it is editorial opinion pieces by morons. Like, they're really dull minded folks. You're not the are not the brightest. Well, the reason why they got there in the first place is not because they're these courageous pioneering thinkers -- Right. -- who have, like, compassionate, intelligent, vigent views in the world. No. They're they're they have followed narratives. They read teleprompters. Right. And they say things that align with whatever the ideology is of their net work. Right. So that's what they do. Do you have do you have people that disagree with you on this issue that and I'm sure you do that you respect -- Yeah. -- that you got Sam Harris. So that. Like people that go, I feel you, cause it's a big issue and it's like a life or death people 25 I feel because it's a big issue. And it's like a life or death thing -- Mhmm. -- and it's an important issue. People have very strong feelings about it. Do you like, obviously, there's a lot of disingenuous people in the media that are doing it for clicks. But do you have people in your own life who this is kind of I don't wanna say a rift, but like, have you fallen out with people over it? Or have you oh, Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. It's it's controversial. But at this point, particularly when I see the way the government's behaving the suppression of monoclonal antibodies, the demonizing of generic treatments that are available, whether it's hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, there's, there's a concerted effort to demonize treatments that many, many, many doctors are using and countries are using there's fuckery going on man shores, and then is brought to you by But at this point, particularly when I see the way the government's behaving, the suppression of monoclonal antibodies, the demonizing of generic treatments that are available, whether it's hydroxychloroquine or IV Mectin, there's there's a concerted effort to demonize treatments that many, many, many doc officers are using and what countries are using. There's fuckery going on, man. Sure. And there's brought to you by Pfizer. Right. If you watch much -- Yeah. -- the root of this fucker. Yeah. It's real clear. And so I'm pretty confident in what I'm saying. I'm not saying that you shouldn't get vaccinated, and I'm not saying that vaccines don't have a positive benefit for a lot of people. They most certainly do. A lot of people who got COVID who were vaccinated, it was way better for them than not being vaccinated. That's a fact. Right. Another fact is there's treatments that are available that could stop at Denton's tracks, particularly monoclonal antibodies. The the Biden administration is doing their very fucking best to make it really hard to get monoclonal antibodies. And according to Peter McCullough, doctor Peter McCullough, who's the most published physician in history in his field. The most published ever, he's a rock solid physician without ever having any controversy in his career up until COVID. He says there's enough monoclonal antibodies for entire country. He's like, they're doing their best to try to prevent this because if you get that monoclonal antibodies, it stops COVID dead in its tracks. So why wouldn't I Really treatment with monoclonal antibodies, knocks it dead. It did it with you? Yeah. You did it with me? Right. And then why not go that route? And I know Pfizer has made I know Pfizer's make a lot of want to vaccinate people. Right. They want universal vaccination. Yeah. You could You could ascribe you could say there's all sorts of, like, sinister motives for that. Sure. You know, you could say they don't want control group. They want the entire country vaccinated. Of health problems happen. There's no one to compare it to. There's like there's a lot of things that you could say. There's you could say that this is just a gigantic money grab. That they have some sort of a very close relationship with the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the vaccines. Yeah. I don't know what the fuck it is, but I do know that there are treatments. And in a same world -- Right. -- would be pursuing all these treatments. They wouldn't just send you home -- Right. And say they can't, they can't give you -- and say they can't they can't give you either Mcdonnell. They can't give you anything else. They just come back. When your pulse, your blood oxygen level drops below back when your pulse your blood oxygen level drops below ninety two. That's not normal. Right. That's not normal with any other disease. Right. When they have the best off label treatments that are available that people are using and there are randomized controlled trials that show that work. I don't know if they fucking work or not. I'm a moron. Alright? I'm not doctor. I'm not a epidemiologist. I'm not a virologist. But the ones that I've talked to that are, that have treated thousands of people they tell you time and time again that these are effective methods. They point to Udi Pradesh in India that's knocked it out using entirely this combination ivvermectin and a few other off label drugs. They point to all these different countries all around the world that have experienced very low rates of COVID. And they say, why does Japan use they say, why does Japan use Ivermectin. Right. Why do all these other countries use it? Right. Why is CNN pretending that some veterinary medication when more people have taken Ivermect and then there are horses on planet Earth. Right. It's fucking none of the media has clearly attacked you using a playbook that has only made them look very disingenuous. And you've I think more people's eyes have been opened by the media lying about things you've said or misrepresenting I've remacted as horse medication, things like that. In terms of I think one of the criticisms people have had as they've said, like, why not bring on people that are more pro vets? I have. So you put on? And I've certainly, while I had him on, I had Rhonda Patrick on, I had a crash with her about it in the early days of the podcast, I had Michael Osterholm, who was a, he's a infectious disease I'm certainly not trying to goop 25 I had him on. I had Wanda Patrick on. I had conversation with her about it in the early days of the the podcast. had Michael Osterholm, who is he's a infectious disease expert. I had Peter Hotez, who's a vaccine expert. Right. Quite a few of them on. Yeah. The the thing is, like, over time, I've noticed that the mainstream narrative is being guided in a way where everybody steps in line. People are ignoring all these other things that we talked about. They're ignoring the suppression of monoclonal antibodies. They're ignoring the suppression of treatments. There's a lot of shit going on. Any of those dudes reached out to, like, come back on again? Or have they, like, foster home or people like that? Is it weird Because also people bring up this whole thing that you have where you go, listen, I'm not, antibiotics. Right? I'm not You have a whole thing where you talk about, like, that a lot of people there against law of vaccinations are are historically, you know, they, you know, they've been proven wrong. Like, we've stamped out a lot of diseases. What what about like the because I would wonder because I don't have a vaccine. Right. No. No. No. For sure. Gene therapy. That's part of the That's part of the problem. Yes. It's it's kind of an experimental thing. Yeah. Mean, the experiment is massive now. It's billions and billions of people worldwide. Right. But it's essentially experimental in terms of long term health consequences. Why so I wonder about guys, because there there there's because they don't seem like bad people, a foster home of guys like that. No. Right? They've never been bad. People never been bad bad people. They've never been bad people. And are they just looking at, well, all these people, a lot of them are faring better with the vaccine if they get COVID, so they're not looking at the other adverse effects? There's there's a bunch of things you could say. I mean -- Yeah. -- it's a lot of its speculation. But, again, there's a lot of people that benefit from being vaccinated. Right. In fact, Right. There's also people that have horrible reactions to the vaccine. That's in fact too. Like, there's a lot going on. And when you're only allowed to look at one group of of one, you know, example of evidence and not another example, like one, a positive example versus a negative example. Yeah. That's not good for anybody. No. It's not. Just sucks for me that I'm stuck in this weird position. You are in this crazy position as a comedian MMA commentator podcast or BU the show has become such a massive, I mean they put out numbers the other You are in this crazy position as a comedian -- Yeah. -- MMA commentator, a podcast. But you the show has become such a massive. I mean, they put out numbers the other day. I mean, you're the leading media figure. How -- Right now? -- dumb is that? Well, that's why I know. That's why you know I should be. You should be. I was so mad that you were and I called my producer and I fired him, I didn't really JRE him because I couldn't find anyone else, but I was so angry because I don't have guests and that's what a real media person should do. I have no interest in anyone's opinion. Just like my mother who's just schizophrenic, she never had to have anyone over to have a good time. And that's the way I do, but you now have a crazy amount of people listening. Do you feel because people try to guilt you. People try to go Somebody didn't get vaccinated and they died of COVID. And they tried to go that to Joe Rogen's fault. This is what people say. Is that what they say? Well, that's what they I mean, this is their whole thing. Right? This is Is what I would what I would say. Yeah. Why didn't the doctors give them treatment? Right. Why didn't doctors get them multiple antibodies? Why they denied monoclonal antibodies? Or did they request them? Did they know about them? Right. You know, why didn't they get IV vitamin drip infusions? Why did they get NAD? Is that available? Yeah. Isn't that available? That seems, like, especially IV vitamin drips. Like -- Right. -- that shit's very available. We know that high level vitamin drips, whether it's with with especially with c, d, zinc, glutathione. All things are, like, hugely beneficial to any kind of disease people have. For sure. And I've got them I've got them, like, as just a health remedy -- Yep. -- for the last few years. And every time I do it, it feels And you know people personally that have had problems with the vaccine. I know quite a few now. Yeah. Now know over fifteen people -- Right. -- that have had, like, serious side effects Yes. Both men and women -- Yeah. -- menstrual issues. Mental issues, strokes, neurological disorders -- What's the fatigue. So what's a neurological disorder just out of curiosity, shakes what's the neurological decision to enter your body shaking. Jesus. Yeah. And you can't do anything about that, like weird ones, man. There's and it's the thing is when you're vaccinating, this be fair. You're vaccinating hundreds of millions of people in this country alone. You're going to get adverse side effects on any medication. Right. The thing is if you look at only that group, like, if you vaccinate a hundred million people, they they think that the adverse side effects and they don't really know because the various reports it's kind of it's it's very underreported and it's also it's hard to see whether or not the the it's a hundred percent accurate don't know how much they investigate -- Right. -- individual one. Right. But if you they they seem to think that at a low number, like a conservative number, it's like one per one thousand. So if you vaccinate a million people, you're gonna have a lot of people that have adverse side effects. You've accident hundred people, you're gonna have So this is what we're dealing with. Yeah. And that doesn't get any play. It doesn't date suppress it. There was a kid on TikTok that had myocarditis. And he was a high school kid, like, or an athlete. He was in the hospital. And it TIMDILLON and millions of plays. They removed it from TikTok. Because it doesn't fit the narrative. Like, that's what's fucked. That is really an indication of a much larger problem. Yeah. Yeah. Problem is they drink they're doing good. I mean, the thirteen year old got in and died. There's a later. Quite a few. There's a few kids that unfortunately, you know, have passed away. Yes. I have a friend and one of his good friend's daughter got it. She was fourteen years old and just immediately respiratory failure. They had put her in the ICU. She's fucked. You know, there was one of the girls in the trials that was thirteen years old. It's confined to a wheelchair for the rest of her life. And You can't you can't sue, not the decision would matter when it's your child. Yes. That's part of what's going on. The misuse authorization. It exempts them from any and you're talking about these companies that have always historically lied about adverse side effects in order make profit. They've done it with ViOX. They've done it with a bunch of other drugs. Right. Pfizer is, like, one of the most fine companies. I shouldn't vaccine Sputnik is actually the best vaccine supposed to Vaccine sputnik. Is actually the best vaccine. Supposed to be very good. It's actually the best vaccine. It's crazy. And now the world is doing well. It's supposed to be very good too. Yeah. Yeah. The Cuban one's supposed to be acting Max Friedman is in you know, Max is an agent of Russia. He works for Russia. Definitely does. And he's here in America. Now things related to Putin, he certainly says son, Lex freedom is the son of Putin and jizz think he's related to Putin. Oh, he certainly is his son. Lex Friedman is the son of Putin and Ghislain Maxx. His real name Damian. Keep it on the it on the low. Keep it on the low. But he was talking about Sputnik, and I researched Sputnik. And Sputnik is actually good. Yeah. Could you instead of with the JRE McIntyre just pitch Sputnik? Check. Well, that way, they're It wouldn't divert the people that are angry at you when you go, alright, I'm I'll give you vaccine. Get Russian one. It's the best one. Get a Steven one. What's your Cuban one call? Do we not know? It's a good question. James, there's a new one that's coming out apparently that is it's an inert version of the virus, like an old school vaccine. So that's what you that's what you want. Well, I don't know, man. I mean, is that good? Is that Right. Yes. You don't know, but it does. Well, here's thing, man. What about treatments? What about these fucking treatments? How good is this Pfizer pill that's coming out? Yeah. How good is the Merck pill is coming Maybe that's the way they're gray. Maybe a good thing to do is get the natural antibodies from an infection and have a really effective treatment. And also, you're right about this. You can't have the body positivity shed. No. Where you tell people you can be fat and that it's great for you. You shouldn't demonize fat people, but you should also be very honest with them about you're making a choice. Yes. Just like when you become a comedian, you're making a choice. Yes. It may not work statistically, it won't, but you can try and good luck. Right? It's like you become an actor, an artist, whatever, being fat is kinda similar to that where it's, like, it's probably not gonna work. Long term. It's even worse with COVID, apparently, because there's something about COVID that targets fat. And it does. Yeah. And there's they've shown significant numbers of people that are in the ICU that are overweight. It's -- Right. -- it's one of the worst things. And in the beginning, they weren't as honest with that. Right. As they are now. Well, that's the thing. It's like there's things that upset people. And so because they know those things upset people -- They don't tell -- decide not to talk about. Right. And, you know, body shaming is one of those things. Right. But it's it's it's true that you have a much higher risk. Yes. True? Of having adverse reaction to COVID, hospitalization, death if you're a fatty diabetic Yeah. I think if we're really lucky, these Merck pills or the fires are pills are excellent. And then also this Omnicron you know, I've heard I have a friend who's a biologist who's talking to me about this. He goes essentially what this is, is a live vaccine. It's a vaccine that's burning through the population. It's not he's saying he's saying it's not good to get it. 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Right? Really? None of them, they hide it. They hide it. They hide it. They have thick vaccine cards. cards. We've been told this by how your we told this by the way. Issues. No. No. No. no. A lot of Hollywood actors are not doing it because you know, they're A lot of Hollywood acts are not doing it because, you know, they're younger, a lot of them, they're healthier. healthier. They have access to really good have access to really good treatment 25 treatment. The other thing they don't trust the narrative, the other thing. They don't trust a narrative. Whatever. They're just not. not. And you know, outwardly, they're not talking about it, you know, outwardly, they're not talking about it. Right? Yeah. Like, think of how many Hollywood celebrities were went hard for Black Lives Matter. Mhmm. Now think about how many of them went hard for the vaccine. Not a lot. There's just not a lot of Hollywood people. Bear went hard. He went hard but that's his job. job. Is it? Well, he's yeah. He's a puppet. I mean, that's, like, literally, the marrying that. Puppity thing, I think of everything. Well, he's a guy that took the twenty five million a year, which I get. If somebody pays me twenty five million dollars Is that what they give them the whole size give them a lot of money. And he was getting no ratings. And then Trump came in and he goes, I will my aunt loves Steven Colbert. You know, she's she's in her sixties or late fifties. She has three or four autoimmune disorders. She's self diagnosed. She drinks white sinfandel. Zinfandel. And she sits in her she sits in her chair. She has a loveless marriage. And she stares at the TV and Steven Colbert comes on and he goes, Trump's evil and the Republicans are evil and she cheers and smacks her feel like pause together, and this is how she's gonna spend the rest of her life. And I have another aunt who does the same thing, but she's a Q1 non retard and she watches Lara Ingram and and her husband and her are like, you know, it's a loveless you know, marriage. And she just sits in her chair drinking wine, watching Laura Ingram and Tucker Carlson. Yeah. So people at a certain age, I think when they've given up on everything else in life, they get very political. Yeah. That does happen. You see, it gives them a meeting. Gives them something to do. Well, Well. They, they watched their tribe go to war while people are into football they watch their tribe go to war. That's like, well, people are into football teams. That's right. You know, fucking go Right. Ears. Right. Right. He's right. Paint their asses. Yes. They go insane. It's their team. And if their team loses, they get devastated. 25 you as a highly productive person. Look at people like that and go, they're just a lower life form. Thats. Because I'm not even nearly as productive as you and I look at them like that, and I I do a hundredth of maybe a thousandth of what you do. And I look at them and it go there like zombies. Yeah. Their bodies and minds have been taken over. Well, they got it's a trap. Right. It's like if you ever watch people play three card Montney in New York? Yes. And you go, oh, you fucking dummy? Like Yeah. You're gonna again. You'll get sucked into all these get sucked into all things. Right. You know, it's what I say about, like, if you get really invested in politics. Voting for president is probably a lot like rooting on pro wrestling. That's right. It might make you feel better. Right. But I don't know how much it really affects the outcome. Yeah. And they're trying to pull that back. Oh, sure. Possible now. I mean, if you look at Biden who's clearly, you know, this act didn't get passed, Even the Democrats are going this guy is out of it. Yeah. Even people that voted for him are going, hey, something's wrong. It's clear to see that the the will of the people gets subverted a lot. Yeah. And in many different ways, Sure. And the people who end up running the show are not necessarily representative of what the public wants. Yeah. And how do you I don't know that you fix that. I don't that. I don't know if you fix that if you fix that either. So, unfortunately, it's just you end up adopting this kind of cynical position -- Right. -- that you can only really take care of yourself your family, your community, the people you can donate money, you can be altruistic in many different ways. But as far as the government, it seems like an unsolvable problem. It's it's definitely complex and it's moving in the wrong direction. Right. You know, I've been paying attention to these companies that are buying up affordable housing. Yeah. Like BlackRock and Zillow? Yeah. That's scary. Is scary because if they can move the entire country into renting, like -- That's right. -- nobody can own it. But that's what they wanna do. Right. Right. That's what That's what I'm saying. They don't want anyone to own any. If you get a a giant majority of the population that are just renters, that don't ever own property, they never have their own real real home. Yeah. And then you make sure that you control their wage because you have massive corporations, whether it's Target or Amazon or whatever, and they limit the amount of possible growth you have within a company. Yeah. And there was that article, you'll own nothing and be happy. Yeah. 20 third. That is wild. 2030. And this is, you know, kind of, you know, when you look at a lot of these think tanks and you know, groups are very powerful this is, you know, kind of, you know, when you look at lot of these think tanks and groups of very powerful interests, when you look at the kind of world they want, they would like to get rid of things like car ownership. Yes. I've been seeing that too. They wanna get rid of homeowners. Ship. They want people to all be on the grid in a major way. They want surveillance, you know, cradle to grave twenty four hours a day. Seven days a week. Social Credit Systems. Yeah. And the only thing it's left to do seems to be to 25 get in with them. Show that when they're doing this to everyone, you're with them. Yeah. You're on the right side of the place. Because here's a problem. People are marching into this willingly. They're like marching into it. It's like my hand or the other hand. Like, people, as long as their team wins, they don't really care what rights they lose. And what things end up looking like. Yeah. They don't. There's a lot of people that don't. They and they're so tribal that if the right wing people want something. They want the opposite of that even if it kills them. And so I think that there's a lot of exaggerated positions by people that take up these re like, amplified right wing positions, and it's probably, like, Russian trolls -- Right. -- or Chinese trolls or something like that. And they take up these positions, which force the people on the left to get even more crazier with their Marxist ideas and -- Right. -- leftist ideas. They turn it up. They're being played. They turn it up. And very few people are autonomous. Very few people have their own like Well, we're also a silly country now. So we have kids in the suburbs. Calling themselves maoists -- Yeah. -- unironically -- Unironically. -- in these leafy green suburbs. And then we have the alt right and it's the same kids. And they want a a return to the holy Roman Empire. And these are children running around the suburbs that are online all day. Yep. Venerating these genocidal dictators and going, this is a good idea. Yeah. It's it's a silly country country. And there's a lot of there's a lot of and you know one of the first indications that I saw that this was coming was when comics stopped doing colleges. colleges. Yeah. Because as soon as you lose the younger people. Yeah. The comics are like, dude, they're too fucking politically correct. Right. It's too annoying. I don't wanna do this. this. They don't have any world experience and their, their, their ideas postrace and you know, they don't want any, they, they they're like the first to say, no one should go on don't have any world experience and their their their ideas are preposterous and, you know, they don't want any they they they're, like, the first to say no one should own proper pretty. There's a first to say that -- Absolutely. -- you know that we need a redistribution of wealth -- Right. -- and we need Which a little bit of is good. Well, they You don't want all of it. Because then why make money? Income quality is a crazy statement. Of course. Because should people make more money? Yes. Yes. They definitely should. Sure. If you look at a corporation that's making fucking untold billions of dollars and then you go down to the bottom of the chain and people are in dire poverty, that are working for that company, and that company is benefiting substantially crazy in that person's Yeah. Balance is way off. Balance is way off. And those people have no leverage. Yes. That's where unions come into play. That's why it's important. But that's why Jeff Bezos recently with Amazon, like, he's taking the photos with the girl. Yeah. He he's enjoying it. At least the Amazon employees, even though they don't have food or healthcare, can look at him to go, he's having fun. Do you do you know what I mean? Where's the Warren Buffett? He's just in Omaha, having sex with kids quietly and worshiping Satan. Is that what he's doing? Come on. Who lives in Omaha? There's a billion dollars. Jason got Coking coal. He's got a hundred billion dollars. He lives in Omaha. Why? Because he likes lives in a small house. He says he likes Dairy Queen. Let's cut it out. But Bezos, at least he's on a raft with these oars. In the middle of the ocean, at least that inspires baseball. Girlfriend. I think it's actually his girlfriend. Yeah. Is really pretty. She's pretty in an interesting way. Kind of a seven. There's a a shakiness to her that's she seems threatening. Like an animal. She looks like an agent. agent. Ah, kind of like somebody that would play an agent in a, in a, in a movie, which is like somebody that would play an agent in a in a in a movie, which is interesting because she probably is an agent real Well, some aside agent or something dated a lot of other people. She's had children. I think she's American. Well, God bless her, and she's making good choices. choices. I always tell women, if you can marry a billionaire, right, marriage move, marry a wealthy dude, hang in there always tell women if you can marry a a billionaire, right, marry a move. Yeah. Marry a wealthy dude. Hang in there for a couple years. That it's way beyond working at times. 25 marry someone who will who they make money by destroying themselves while you enjoy it. Which is many relationships that I know. A woman will enjoy the fruits of the man's ever. He will destroy himself and she will kind of enjoy the money. Right. Balbases, I believe, is retired. Well, it's step down as a CEO. But it's kinda like Putin right where they never really stepped down. Interesting. But my my thing is like, when you have a country that's this chilly, Yeah. Where comedy specials are people coming out making serious points. points. You have late night host You have late night host crying. You have, you know, the girl who threatened her mother on doctor Phil is a legitimate star. Right? Bad baby. Remember that woman? Oh, yeah. She threatened to kill her mother on She's a star now. She has massive Instagram followers. Massive massive Where does this go? Right? Pictures of apes are selling for the cost of a Lamborghini. Our last president was the guy who hosted the apprentice. And on his last day of office, a mob of lunatics ran into the capital to take selfies with fucking wigs on. It looked like a sketch I would do like it really is we're we're in like a fucking weird movie. Do you remember when you were a kid? Yeah. You would hear about the last days of the Roman empire -- Yeah. -- where they were just, like, eating till they couldn't take any more than jumping feather of their mouth and throwing up -- Yeah. -- fucking everybody. Yes. That's us. And it's looks like that. It sounds good. It sounds so far. That bad. But it is it is funny as a commute when you when you step and you go like, this is really, really crazy stuff. It's crazy stuff, and the problem is I don't see a good ending. Because if we fall in the the other problem is we have to compete with China. And China has this amazing ability to control their population through propaganda and intimidation and, you know, total censorship, which we're like moving in that kind of general direction -- Right. -- which is really scary because the the one way we may be able to compete with China is to become more like China. Because otherwise, like, they're so they're so integrated. Their their government and their business is inexorable. They're connected. connected. You cannot have a corporation where the government's not cannot have a corporation where the government's uninvolved. Right. Right? So the government makes decisions with the corporations that benefit the government and benefit the Chinese communist party benefit the country in So the government makes decisions with the corporations that benefit the government and benefit the Chinese Communist Party benefit the country in general. And we're on that path too. Yeah. See, military industrial contractors, pharma companies, they kinda killed the Obama health care bill. They went in and rewrote that. And that. And they were like, we don't want were like, we don't want this. All their lobbyists had a lot of influence on that. that. It, I mean, it's strange to, to really conceive of it as a reality, as opposed to just a choke or a, you know, kind of a cynical aside, it actually does seem that we're in a stage of decline that somewhat I mean, it's strange to to really conceive of it as a reality as opposed to just a joke or a, you know, kind of a cynical aside, it actually does seem that we're in a stage of decline -- Yeah. -- that somewhat irreversible. Yeah. It does. It's it's it's hard not to be depressed. depressed. I have I think we've talked about this before, Douglas Murray. He talked about all the facts about gender issues. Yes. Well, he Yes. He was on my podcast and he was saying that these gender issues where people were changing genders, swabbing, Joe, he goes, that takes place in all civilizations that are on my podcast and he saying that these gender issues where people were changing genders, swabbing he goes, that takes place in all civilizations that are collapsing. Now why is Is that? I don't know. Is it know. People just get just get bored? I I think it's a, when life gets very easy ankles, start looking for problems and they start looking to the structure of society and then looking to sort of when life gets very easy, people start looking for problems and they start looking to the structure of society and then looking to sort of dissolve. Yeah. Because there are legitimate trans people -- Clearly. -- clearly. Clearly. I know somebody whose trans Who never speaks about it? Lives as a woman. Doesn't even know that I know. Great person. Born a man now lives as a woman. Doesn't speak lives lives. As a woman doesn't speak about one doesn't speak about. It's like, well, seven months. much. So everybody everybody knows. Well, I I don't she probably wouldn't even mind. Everyone now is such a fame or Well, I know they're white. On the park. Clear white. Yes. As trans as you can get. As trans yeah. Look at that and go, oh, I get it. So there's number of stuff. But then there's this other thing where people are going I have green hair. hair. I'm trans or non binary and you go, wait a minute. Hold on a minute. You're a a white female who goes to Wesley in college. You're dating a guy. Right. You're in a heterosexual relationship. relationship. You felt no felt no oppression in your entire life. Your dad works for Raytheon. Raytheon. Your mother's a pill mother's a pill addict. You go to school, and you really Joel's song. This is it. You go to school and you figure out a way to not be the oppressor. oppressor. Right. Right. Right. You go, I will be different. Yeah. It's true. And as a real faggot, you used to have to be a faggot, like, used to have to have sex with men. Right. Or if you're woman, you have sex with women, and and people were supposed to, you know, be like, loose. And there was some naturalness to that because like the reaction of people was that the thing that you were saying was real there was some naturalness to that because, like, the reaction of people was that the thing that you were saying was real. Right? It and some people were like, it was harder for them to to to get behind and But you suffered legitimate oppression. You suffered legitimate oppression because the feelings you had were valid and real. Right? Not non binary. Yeah. Was it was it was real? Like, you were saying, I put a penis in my mouth and people were going, that's odd. was my father said that? Because that's hard. No. I'm kidding. He he's he's fine with everything. As long as he does have to work harder, not a hard worker. But he so the the the whole thing is this new thing has taken over the gay thing now. Yeah. It's not really gay people, but it's fake people are kinda looked at as Nazis. Really? If you see two lesbians now because lesbians usually own businesses, you know, they're usually they're capitalist. capitalists. Most lesbians are capitalists and they're quite Most lesbians are capitalist, and they're quite vicious. Really? They fire people. Oh, most lesbians are very competent people. Where's a lot of gay talent? The girl. Ellen is a CEO. Truly. Yes. She she is AAA real estate portfolio that's in excess of a hundred TIMDILLON I mean, she -- Right. -- the woman was a tyrant -- Yeah. -- but you got things done. Yeah. But now I think the the gays and lesbians are like the normies of gays now. now. And there's a new crop of people coming in that don't really have any a new crop of people coming in that don't really have any sex. They spend most of their time online They're all like pansexual communist witches, and their main goal is to tweet about you. you. No one even Fox they're really just tweeting about one even fought. They're really just tweeting about you. No one's even having dirty, sweaty, sinful sex in a motel room anymore. Everybody's on Reddit. Talking about you. Have you It's a weird thing. It's weird for me. It's you know, it's literally caged cage. The movie. It was very fun. Yeah. I never watched it. Well, Pete, it's a great nickels in May row it's brilliantly funny. It's gay people in Southeast doing drugs having sex and having fun. We're, like, the opposite of that. We're, like, in some sexless autistic horror landscape where people just sit around and there's this weird, like, office politics, bureaucratic, like, you know, weird like, you know, you made me upset. upset. You made me made me upset. Like, I grew up with rent. Where was that show where people like, we have AIDS, but let's have fun. Right. That was a theme of rat. was like Yeah. -- we have AIDS, but let's not let it ruin the night. Yeah. And now people are just upset for all kinds of reasons. It's weird. weird. And you don't really hate gay you don't really hate gay people? No. I don't hate it. Right. You? Yeah. No. You had anybody. You've been very good to me. Yeah. I love it. Me. Is like golfing with candy. Someone's going, I love blacks. So No. You know, everybody, man. III have no ill will towards any individual group. Right. Individual people Yeah. Of course. -- and silly people. How weird You're just saying comedy has gotten it? The comedy's gotten weird like, now at the comedy store, you have all these guys that have talked shit about you. Right? Now, obviously, many of them are feeble and diabetic and dying. So it's not like they present a physical threat. I mean, many them are not well. But if you like, is it weird now with this community the way it is that so splintered. Well, don't know who's talking shit about me. And the ones that do, if that is real, I left. And when I left, I brought a lot of the people. Yeah. And -- Right. -- it's better here. Right. Right. You know, and think there's lot of fOMO going on for sure. Yeah. But sure. But then there's also a lot of people that are trying to establish this new position on the food chain, which is one of the ways that you and I became there's also a lot of people that are trying to establish this new position on the food chain. Which is one of the way ways that you and I became friends -- Right. -- because I read the thing you wrote about Louie. Right. Louie. And I'm like, he fucking nailed it because that's exactly what it I'm like, he fucking nailed it because that's exactly what it is. That was a mediocre talent -- Yeah. -- that are looking to attack Louis who is at the time and still is one of the best comics it's ever lived. lived. A one most brilliant comic minds would have ever lived. And so when they were attacking him, they weren't just attacking him because they thought that what he did was wrong. wrong. They were doing it because they wanted establish that -- Yeah. -- they wanna stomp him down because he didn't even know what he did. Yeah. You know, like, that was just this idea. That's very kinda vague general idea of what what had been out there and things like that. A lot of cowardice in comedy. Yeah. There's a lot of cowardice. And there's a lot of people that take they take some chance but then they fucking think about them and they panic. And panic. 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This is depressing. We Depressed. have a bad podcast. I'd like to come in and spice it up. Oh, Bruce has a podcast with Obama. Obama. No, he does. It's terrible. That is new and I should go on and show them how to do it. Like, stop. Yeah. Like, you know what? They get, like, dance instructors that do, like, dance with the stars. Yes. They they they think they're dancers. Yes. You know, I go, I mean, yes. No. No. No. No. no. The real dancers are going to show you how to dance you and I, we should go to them at a fucking real dancers are gonna show you how to dance. Yeah. You and I. We should go how to fucking podcast. What the hell are those two talking nonsense? Oh, god. It's nonsense. nonsense. It's all like, so it's so aware of what people are paying attention It's all, like, so Like, it's so aware. I've went to point of attention. Yeah. They're so aware of, like, walking that line of acceptable narratives that nobody cares about it. Right. It's it doesn't it doesn't work. It's crazy. crazy. It doesn't doesn't work. That's one thing about podcasts. The brilliant thing about it is because there's no real production. There's no real engineering and where a bunch of people like writing scripts and following that. Is that it's so raw, that anything that's not like that doesn't work, whereas like mainstream news is so produced that if you had raw on mainstream news, people like, what the fuck? fuck? Kind of unprofessional shit is this unprofessional shit is this? Like, Like Bruce sprints, he's got to turn around Obama during it and be like, she he's gotta turn around Obama during it and be like, so you watch a man. Like, someone has to someone has to liven it up with fun stuff like that, which isn't true, true. But it's a it's a fun with a weird one that take care of that unknown. You know? They do believe that. They do believe that. They're hardcore. There's even a few people that are with you on the backs, but they want you to go much further. Oh, yeah. further. They're like little like, let's yeah. We run flat. Yeah. They because they don't stop at the Vax. VAX. They go much go much further. Why would you? They go Hollow Earth. They they go Hollywood. They go the world is flipped. Reptile people. Yeah. The Jews are in the cupboard. cupboard. It's a whole deep whole ocean. Yeah. Deep right reset. Who knows what's real and what's not real? Right. You go down a list of all the things that Alex Jones predicted. Right. He didn't get a lot of wrong. Well, he did it, but he did get a few of them wrong. Fucked up that sandwich. One rhymes with mandy book. That's a real that was a that's a rough problem, man. If that one didn't make sense. Let's let's pretend that he'd ever fucked that up because he was going through a rough time in his life. He was going a rough drinking like crazy crazy. He has essentially a psychotic house. Yes. Essentially a psychotic place. mean, he's really open about it. But my uncle went through a rough time you just played golf through it. Like, sometimes you just sometimes you just that's a great point, but sometimes you just gotta go through the rough time without accusing kids taking their death. Well, he wasn't accusing the kids of doing it. He was accusing the parents. Whatever. He fucked up. up. a good man. The the point is if that if he didn't. If you just remove that and then you'd look at all the things that he predicted that he's right about a lot of them. You gotta look at a guy like people like would you talk to a guy like that? Yeah. Because, first of all, I've known him for more than twenty years -- Right. -- my friend, he is a very nice guy. Right. He he absolutely fucked up, but he'll tell you that you fucked up. Right. And people fuck up. And up. And I think you gotta be allowed I think you gotta be allowed to direct the people to do the harmonies. No. No. But these These are just just crazies, fans are crazy. See. They're wow. Some of his fans are what they they're a little off. I off. I got news news for you, but some of my years were off too. My opinion. Know it. It. Yeah. Awesome. know it. No no avoiding that. But the idea that you're responsible for the off people listen to you and wanna start screaming at Meghan McCain. Stop fucking your dead dad. Well, that I tell them to do. I organize that. I have alleys. But you know what I'm saying? It's for sure. People are crazy. And I you probably said they wanted to find a conservative on the view. I said let me go in there with the wig. I'll be the conservative that left. Does any woman even wanna do that anymore? Nobody wants to do it anymore. That, Tim, who's a libertarian on Fox They trying to go hard at her, but she's like, I'm on gutfeld. I'm on a show people watch who cares. They've turned that show into what they've done is they've made it so that all they do is fight. Right. All they do is scream and yell. All they do is get upset of people. It's all negative. negative. It's all It's all demeaning. Yeah. It's all insulting. Yeah. You've just gotten to this point where the show's just got this feel of it. You only watch to see who they're mad at it. Right. Oh It's it's a horrible horrible experience for anyone watching or participating at it truly. This is what's wrong with it. If you got five friends -- Yeah. -- they just wanted to talk about things like that. And they didn't have time limits, and they didn't have like, all these constraints that are put on a show like that hinder the the possibility of it being good. You know, this Oh, for sure. All the people in the audience, that's a problem. Yeah. Is it playing to the audience? Yeah. Then you have the fact that you'll have a commercial coming up at forty five seconds. You gotta make your point Yeah. And then these other bitches are trying to chime in. You know, it's hard for them, but they can't find a female conservative. No. I think they're gonna have to use that grandma who was yelling at the Sandy Hook parents. I forget her name, the one who was like prove that you dumb fuck. But she she's a cute one on grandma. I forget her name. Ben knows her name. Two Q and Aagram Yeah. She was this grandma that was in that documentary, and she would go she would yell at these parents parents. It was very very sad. She'd be like prove it, you dumb fuck about their kids. I'm dying. And I think she should be on the view or get Rosie O'Donnell back because she at least questioned nine eleven? Yeah. Yeah. She she questioned tower seven and a lot of other things like this. That those things are like real complicated. You can't get those wrong. You You can't get them get them wrong. Yeah. But there's clearly fuckery with that. Yeah. If there's fuckery with the vaccine, there's fuckery with that. Well, there's certainly fuckery in the reaction to that because we invaded our back. That's all you needed to know. Like, I had a whole different shot at one point. Yeah. It's like, if you can look at what happened on September eleven two thousand and one and then the logical conclusion is we gotta invade a country that had nothing to do with it. It's crazy. It's crazy. And then they did it, and they said, well, there's weapons and mass destruction there. Okay. And they cost like, more than a million lives. And in terms of there we're no weapons of mass destruction. It's just a weird thing where I go. I'm just like one of those old school guys because you show me one video of the plane hitting the Pentagon, Pentagon. And I'm I'm good. See, I think there is a video of the plane. No. There's looks like a fucking plane. It would not look like. Into a trail of smoke. They they doctored it. Nine eleven the new Pearl Harbor is a crazy documentary by this Italian guy, Masimo Masuko, It's five hours. Watch it. You people have nothing to do. It's five hours. Is it good? It's great. great. I'm telling you right now, it's a five-hour documentary on telling you right now It's a five hour documentary on YouTube. YouTube. You will watch will watch it, get the fam together, sit them down popcorn, and I'm telling you right now, because I watch it to debunk it. it. I watched it to debunk it and went, yeah, you start going into the flight, the phones at 30,000 feet, these people having a conversation, it's just not watched the two d bunket and went, yeah, you start going into the flat, the phones at thirty thousand feet. These people are having conversations. It's just not happening. So is off. You can't Something's All 30,000. Something's really, really off with that really really off with that day, but you just can't. Now in these publications that write about me, they describe me as, like, nine eleven truth or COVID denier. denier. It's like, I just get all like, I just get all these these. You had COVID how can you had COVID. How can you be? I've never said COVID was not real. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've said, I thought it was You know, I've said I thought it was good. Well, I've had people mad at me because I medicated because I took Medicaid And people's argument is, you're in shape. You eat right. You work out. Why would you take the medication? Because it's better Better than not taking not taking medication. Like, there's this stuff works. Of course. Listen, I'm I'm not saying you shouldn't take medication. medication. I'm saying, I'm saying -- Right. You're saying you should take medication. I'm saying you should, for sure, always. But especially if it's proven medication that works, but the point is, like, you shouldn't have a binary solution for things. things. So it's either this or nothing, either this or nothing. Right. right? It's either one or either one or zero. Right. That's crazy. crazy. Do you when people pass way. They donate a large chunk of their fortune to, like, research and things like that. Do you think you'll donate yours to Robert f Kennedy junior or like Dana White, who will you give your money to? Demi LaVada. She's she's gonna She's She's gonna give it to give it to ghosts. Hey, man. man. She used to live in my building fun used to live in my building. Fun woman. Yeah. It's it's straight straight. Do you ever think to yourself what's the next you ever think to yourself what's the next act because you've literally you're the most successful comedian probably when you look at all the different things you've done. There's not many people that have, like, what do you ever go? I've done it all, and that's a little scary. No. No. Because I don't think like that ever. The the crazy thing about all the different things that I've done is I All I've ever tried to do, like, I tried to become a professional comedian. I I achieved that, and then I started working as a professional comedy. And then all the other stuff is just stuff that came up. Right. Whether it's acting a news radio, that was just they just offered me money to Do Can you still keep in touch with Kathy still keep in touch with Kathy Griffin? No. I would though. No. Yeah. It's all over. Yeah. Was she on that show or no? No. Okay. I thought she was on that show. No. No. No. Kathy Griffin was on. Just shoot me. Right? Was something No. No. It was the other one. I forgot. She's nice. Yeah. Vicky Lewis was on news radio. That's what she's thinking of. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I know. I don't know about remember her. She's redhead too. She's asked, maybe, I'm gonna get confused. She always joke around that, like, she was stealing her act. Oh, which was going on very damn. Yeah. Joking around. And so you worked with Phil Hartman, who was, like, one of the Chinese people ever. Ever. But again, that was just like, I stumbled into that again, that was just, like, I stumbled into that show. Like, completely stumbled into it. it. I had no acting had no acting experience. Right. I mean, I'd done a little bit acting on another terrible sitcom that got canceled. That got canceled. canceled. All of a sudden I'm on news radio working with Dave Foley and Andy Dick and Phil Hartman with real acting a sudden, my news radio working with Dave Foley and Andy Dick and Phil Hartman with no acting experience. What the fuck is happening? Yeah. What's going on? And then I go from that to fear factor. factor. I'm like, well, this will get canceled like, well, this get canceled immediately. Meanwhile, it's one of the most successful reality shows ever. It's like six What 600. did you learn from, like, that. Was it just do everything and don't focus too much on, like because the there's there's there's even though you say you're stumbling into them and you are stumbling into them, there's a skill to stumble it. Right? There's a skill to being positioning yourself in a way that you can kinda get those opportunities. There's that, but there's also being able to handle pressure. Okay. Like being able to handle pressure, being able to handle the pressure of speaking live in front of large audience, whether it's doing the UFC broadcast or doing a a comedy show or a podcast, gotta be able to handle pressure. Right. Some people just suck at pressure. You know, and I always put myself in these positions where I have to perform at a pressure because opportunities are available there because so many people don't like pressure. Right. So I would look at her go, oh, they're scared people are scared of this, so I'll go do that. Right. There's less people doing it. And there's it's more exciting to me because it's kinda dangerous -- What's scary? -- when When you got into it was your family like, oh, this is you got into it, was your family like, oh, this is cool? Or were they like, no. What are you doing? What are you doing, idiot? doing? Yeah. I go to school, get a go to school. Get a great career. Right. A real job. Like, you're not funny. Right. Right. Like, there was a lot of that. Right, Remember I was fighting? Like, you're gonna get hurt. Yeah. You know, there's, like, everything I've done. Like, what are you doing? doing? You know, it's just, it's know, it's just it's hard. If you have a child and you want your child to be successful, you don't want your child to take some wild, crazy fucking chance that what is a million to one chance it's gonna pan out. Probably more than a million. Right. Was your childhood like to show Kobra Kai at Netflix where you're just fighting people all the time? Mm-mm. That's what I imagine it is. You're just you're in a dojo, dojo. You have a sensei, you just fight the other kids at the, at the, you know, have a sense, hey, you just fight the other kids at the at the, you know No. Well, I did fight a lot of people, but I did it mostly in tournament but I did fight fight. And dojo's a in Dojo's a lot. We just haven't really dojo fights. fights. Not that I know that I know of. Okay. Why JRE you fighting everybody? everybody? Were they fighting they fighting you? Yeah. Yeah. Would like, guys would come in from other schools. 25 challenge us. And I was often the guy who got thrown in with them. Yeah. When you were younger, were you bullied, what motivated you? Yeah. Yeah. I was small. And the guys would pick on me, and I moved around a lot. Like, we moved all all the time. time. Like I lived in San Francisco from New Jersey to age seven and San Francisco, age seven to 11, Florida, 11 to 13, Boston, 13, I lived in San Francisco from well, New Jersey to h seven, San Francisco, h seven to eleven, Florida, eleven a thirteen, Boston thirteen twenty four. So I was fucking moving constantly. Right. So never really established a great group of friends that I was tight with -- Right. -- I was always the new kid and I was not big. big. So I got fucked with, I got fucked with. Right. right. So you learned to defend yourself. Well, I had to. When I when I moved to to Newton, I got fucked with, like, by a bunch of kids, and it was caught scary. You know, I didn't know how to defend myself. And I was like, fuck. Like, I gotta do something. something. And so I started taking martial arts and it changed my so I started taking martial arts and it changed my life a hundred and eighty degrees. Like -- Right. -- turned it around one hundred and eighty degrees. Right. Then also, I wasn't worried about conflict anymore. And then I became obsessed with being, like, oh, like, a world champion. champion. I became obsessed with being a I became obsessed with being Would you have, like, one good Good teacher where there's a few good teachers that stand there's a few good teachers stand out? I have quite a few, but I I went I got very lucky that I went to this one school, this JRE hon Kim Taekwondo Institute in Boston. It's like one of the most highly respected schools in the country at the time of at least. And it was just dead lucky. Just dead lucky. I I just happened to go there one day. Right. And I I happen to go there while this guy John Lee was for the world championships, and I I happen to watch him trained, like, when he was at his peak of condition, when he was a national champ, and and I became obsessed. Right. And I and I was there every day. Right. So most of my my high school from, like, age fifteen all the way until I was twenty one was just obsessed with martial arts and competing. Right. Traveling all over the country. That's mostly what I did. did. And your friends, I guess, were people in that world. Yes. Yeah. Some of them, like, my friend, Steve Graham, I'm still really tight with. Yeah. And how to what makes you go from that to comedy? Well, it's kind of an interesting trend. You're a random much. Right. There was a little bit of that because I was I was definitely aware that I was getting hit in the head too much. That was especially when I started kick boxing, I had three kick boxing fights. When I was training for kick boxing, which I did for more than a year, there was a lot of getting hit in the head. There was a lot of hard sparring rounds in I was also watching a lot of other people that I saw that had brain damage. I was like, Ugh. Like, this guy is not who he used to be. Like, he's slipping. And then I realized, like, oh my god, this is happening to me. And there was no money in it. Right? There was no UFC back then. So this is nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine's one. I feel like you gotta get out. Yeah. had to get out. Yeah. And I had to get out soon before I ruin my brain, you know. And then, also, fortunately, my friend Steve that I was talking about earlier, he was one of the people that told me I should be a comedian because I would we would go on these trips to go to fight in tournaments. Right? Right. Oftentimes be on a bus or we travel by car together, and we'd be bored. And I would be the one who made everybody laugh. And so like we JRE, like, getting ready to spar, everybody would be Rick super nervous. And I would say the most inappropriate shit -- Right. -- and get laughs out of people. And once I knew that I could get laughs, then I would just try to do it. Right. Whenever I knew people were nervous, I would say the inappropriate thing or do impressions of people or impressions of, like, our instructor having sex. Right. So you you just established yourself as kind of the funny dude. was silly. Yeah. It was silly. Funny. It was, like, it was gallows humor. Right. Everybody was so scared. And this also would alleviate some of the pressure of, like, getting scared before you go to a tournament. tournament. Right. We're all scared. Right. know? And so My friend Steve said you really should be a fucking comedian. Yeah. I go, man, you think I'm funny because you like me. I go, other people gonna think I'm an asshole. Right. He's like, I don't you should just you should just go and just see an open mic night and try it. And it. And so I did, I went to an open mic night where you hooked on night I did. I went to an open mic night and Were you hooked at night one? Yeah. Pretty much. much. Richard Jennings had a great point. Yeah. Because horrible comedians are amazing in that they inspire people to try it. Because you look at someone who's terrible and you go, well, I can get it as bad as that guy. Right. I'll give it a shot. Right. That's what open mic night was to me. Right. I had thought of stand up like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor. I was like, can't do that. These guys are too good. Right. Then you go to open mic night and you go, oh, some of these people are terrible. terrible. Right. And they're doing it and, like, I can kinda do it, like, they're doing it, maybe little better than them. Maybe I could maybe I could do this. this. And then on the same night, like there was like Jonathan Katz was the host of the open mic night from then on the same night, Like, there was like, Jonathan Katz was the host of the open mic night from miss doctor Katz in Boston. Yeah. Yeah. He was the host of open mic night first time everyone on stage. And And then on that night, some other real professionals went on like Teddy Bergeron went on. Yeah. I got to see him go on and I I got hooked immediately. Yeah. So I did my first set. And then I almost chickened out. out. I got really close to chickening I get really close to chickening out. Oh my god. I I came that close to pussying out. Yeah. And then once I did it, I was hooked. And then I started doing it all the time. And you got successful pretty quick. Pretty quick? Yeah. I mean, luckily in Boston, you could get work pretty quick. Right. You know, know? So like within one year of doing open mic nights and you know, and we'd, I mean, Fitzsimmons and I started out together and we would DRO Greg and I would drive together to Rhode Island to do 10 like, within one year of doing open mic nights and, you know, and we'd I mean, fit Simmons and I started out together. And we would drill Greg and I would drive together to Rhode Island to do ten minutes. Right. So we drive ninety minutes to ten minutes. What year was that? Eighty eight. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. both started in eighty eight. We both both started with, like, within a week of each other. She would go You got a comment everybody's smoking cigarettes, you know, old a comedy, everybody spoke at cigarette. Oh, yeah. Was he all there? You know, old school. school. Oh yeah. Yeah. Bars were nine percent of comedy. Oh, comedy. Yeah. There was no idea, idea. Like there was no non-smoking there was no non smoking. Right. Right. Everything else like that. Yeah. And everyone smoked. Right. It was crazy. And people just you would you would go up, do the ten minutes. Yeah. Sinker swim -- Yeah. -- killer bomb, and then you would be back on the road. Yep. And then we would try to go to different places. places. Like we would go to a couple different spots a night if we could, you know, sometimes we knew another guy on another room, so you know, we would go to a couple different spots a night if we could. Sometimes we knew another guy at another rooms. Did you know back then? Would you look at certain people and go, that guy's gonna make it? A a lot of people I thought were gonna make that didn't. And what what do you attribute a lot of that 25? Why do you think a lot of funny people? Because I've seen that now, I've been doing it about eleven years probably almost twelve years now. A lot of people, I was like, that person was really funny. Yeah. And they didn't get to that next level. level. I don't know, don't know, man. Yeah. I don't I mean, I think there's a lot of drinking. Yeah. That's one. A little drug sometimes drinking or drugs. That could be it, but it's also there's psychology involved. Yeah. The the mind games that that the unknown and the uncertain play on people. Some sometimes people just crack. I just can't take it anymore. Just like we talking about fame, people crack under fame. Like, they get to a certain point where they can't handle I can't have them. Right. They Right. They know what's real. Right. They crack under that. They crack under the pressure of not knowing if they're gonna make it. I mean, I've seen that in actors too. Like, in I've been friends with actors that JRE, like, they'd get on a show and then, you know, they'd audition for another show and then maybe not make it, but maybe have, like, another callback for the thing and they're always in flux and it it would they'll go crazy because they didn't know, like, what am I doing with my life? What is happening? Is this gonna work out? Am I and they start crying -- Right. -- breaking out. It's like -- Right. -- just the uncertainty and the unknown. For some people, it's just too much. Too much. Some of them are really fucking talented. Some of them I'm really really funny. funny. And then there's a lot of people that are somewhat mediocre, but they have mastered the then there's a lot of people that are some mediocre, but they have mastered the unknown. Yeah. Like that Well, it's delusional. Yeah. There's crazy people out there that have that can channel that into certitude. Yeah. And then they start convincing themselves, like, they've convinced themselves they're great, and then they start convincing everyone else. And it's kinda like the emperor has no clothes where Everyone's like, I guess they're great. Well, I don't even know about that. But one thing that some mediocre people do is they're not funny at all. But they've managed to stay around. Right. Like, here here. They are 10 years later, 15 years later, he's still are. Ten years later, fifteen years later. He's still here. He's still going up hosting that show with still doing it. Yeah. Still doing it. Yeah. Yeah. 25 hear do you think people that are starting comedy now are is it gonna be a completely different world? Where I I tend to think now, people that are starting are gonna have to go to the Internet. And and almost the same way that you were taking beating at open mics and things like that, they're almost gonna have to take a beating online -- Mhmm. -- in front of the digital audience to build their thing because the the mainstream or the legacy industry seems to of comedy seems to be dying. So even though they'll be getting good at stand up on the side, if they don't have other components, what what do you mean by the mainstream of comedy? Meaning that the idea Idea of moving to New York or LA and doing 20 sets a week and then getting the Montreal comedy festival and then getting the Booker at the club to see you in like you and then getting a special on of moving in New York around in doing twenty sets a week. Mhmm. And then getting the the Montréal comedy festival and then getting the the booker at the club to see one like you and then getting a special on HBO. HBO. All that seems to be All of that seems to be dying. dying. I know so many people with our specials and nobody's watching them I know so many people with hour specials and nobody's watching them. Right? right. Or so many people with late night TV shows like they're hosting them and no one so many people with late night TV shows like they're hosting them and no one cares. cares. Yeah, that's That's true. And and they're not making that much money. And it seems to be a smaller and smaller circle of people that is mattering to. Every day the Internet's expanding, it seems to be getting bigger and bigger, and the people that have a platform online, a digital platform seem to getting more and more attention. So 25 me, isn't there an inevitable shift coming to where comics really are just gonna have to compete digitally. digitally. I think the digital aspect of it is the best way to promote themselves for sure. Right. Whether it's putting their stuff online on a YouTube or a rumble or Instagram or whatever they're doing like Peter, which are now on you're on Getter. That's a new story. Why is it a new Chinese communist party now, I believe. Yeah. Why are you it's a new story that you're on Getter. Well, the new story is their their fucking amount of people that signed up increased by one thousand one hundred and fifty percent or something. Yeah. You have, like, twenty you have, like, a nine followers on getter. Yeah. It's not real though. Is getter. it not Is it not realtor doesn't even have nine million people. No. Really? Yeah. It's it's very it's fuckery with that. This is where the fuckery is. They take all my Twitter followers. followers. So my Twitter follows like 7.8 million and then they port those Twitter followers, like, seven point eight million. Yeah. And then they port those over. I started out with seven point eight million. Oh. So whatever have now, if I have eight, it's like, really I have two hundred thousand. So getter is Fugliese. Fugliese. Sure. Definitely Fugliese. And every time I post on Twitter, it posts automatically on Gatter. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Like, it's automatically done. We deleted. She was just it should harvesting your tweets. And Tweets. And I don't know how to get I don't know how to get off. Like, if I get off together You have to you you have to take ten. You have to sit down with more retailer green personal egg, and she's gotta tell me all about what's in the basement. common pizza. She's gotta take you down the rabbit hole, then you come out the other side of But, yeah, it it seems to me that, like, the the business is kind of dying. I dying. I don't think it think it is. You don't think it is? No. No. I disagree. I think it is. No. No. No. That that aspect of the business as far as, like, Montreal comedy festival and stuff like that being beneficial, that's true. That's dying. Right. But podcasts have taken their place. Right. You know, comedians now, like, Brian Simpson, who's got his new opinion. One of the best. Yeah. He's working with me this weekend. If he's one of the best. best. I love him to love him a death. death. And he, now that he has this huge Netflix special, that killed, and he's been on my podcast a couple of times he's got a he now that he has this huge Netflix specialty killed and he's been on my podcast a couple of times, he's got a career. Right. He's killing it. Right. He will continue to kill it. Yeah. it. So this is where the, the, the, So this is where the the the But he's not as big as Rambu. So my point is that Who's that? Randwoo's a Minecraft streamer JRE. Stop. Pretend you don't know who he is. Is that real? Yeah. He's a Minecraft streamer. My point is that things are moving quickly. We can't compare ourselves to Minecraft. I understand that, but I'm just saying Yes, we can. I was in the meantime day in doctor disrespect has a book. Mister Beast has a burg. Well, mister Peace deserves a He's a brilliant guy. He's got a he's a show. It's It's a great great show. show. Yeah, he He does he does a visionary guy. It's a smart thing that he does. He spends a shitload of money on his Well, that's what I mean. These These are the new the new stars. Well, that's just He's in that world. He also the new stars in terms of, like, that would be he would be a reality TV star like, ten years ago. For sure. Now he's a YouTube star, but now he's his own fucking boss and he's doing it the right way, which is why it's so successful. The same thing with your podcast. Imagine a world where an executive bank rolls your podcast and says, oh, are you gonna sit together with your friend, Ben? And you're gonna wear cops sunglasses. Yeah. And sunglasses. And you're going to talk shit about the whole gonna talk shit about the the whole world? Yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah. Want me to pay for that? I I could think of several executives that would fund it, but they're all just grace. Angela Mozilla and Country Ride, Dick Ford at Lehman Brothers. Exactly. Yes. No. For sure. It's like Yeah. The world has changed, but there are new avenues that are world has changed, but there are new avenues that are available. Right. But the world of comedy remains in clubs. Like, you can't That is true. You can't be able to get on stage and close. And we both yeah. That is the most important one of the most important things. Yes. It's like, I'm not giving that up. Like stand up. No one's fucking awesome. And -- Yes. -- that is always gonna be a thing that I like to see, and it's always gonna be a thing that like to do, and it's always gonna be a thing where people want to go see a comic. They wanna go live. It's a fun thing to do. Don't you wanna get to the point where people know you so well from the Internet. When you get on stage, they just clap for forty five minutes. You don't even have to write material and then you can just leave. leave. You can kind of wave like princess Diana used to You can kind of wave like Princess Diana used to do. I don't think that ever happens. I don't think you ever get no. Of course. Now. I feel the heat after about 15 feel the heat after about fifteen seconds. seconds. Oh, of course you course, you do. I I get nervous as soon as I walk on stage. I I get the mic. I got no. It it's the biggest high you ever have. It's the best thing. It's the best art for It's also the best thing for the audience. Like, in terms of, like It's the most as an audience member. Yeah. I love watching someone kill. kill. It's fun. That's right. When I laugh hard, like, I'm laughing hard, hard. Somebody killing killing. But you're also from generation of people that leaves their house. That's true. There's a whole generation of people that are scared to leave the room while alone the house. Audience and I have all the years I'll quit. You have to keep evolving. You should be on twitch. Twitch. You should be You should be streaming. streaming. I'm on on Spotify. You're a young man. Revolution. You can keep going. Where's my deal? What did they tell us? Fuck off for the ninth time? Well, because I didn't tell you to fuck it. I could attack the CEO. I said he was a pedophile. It was a JRE. It's not real. No one can have fun anymore. I think he said how about pedophile too. Yeah. too. I don't know if I did know if I did that, that. But I said that the CEO was something rather, but then, so he's mad at I said that the CEO was something rather, but he's so mad at you? No. He's not mad, but apparently, because they have you, they don't need me -- Yeah. -- because we have overlap, and they're still going by the They should get you. They're still going by the old numbers that say that this shows figure the mind. Those are the old numbers. That's last week. This shows not even on YouTube anymore. I keep telling them it's true. It's not even on YouTube. YouTube. They go, oh no, it doesn't They go, oh, no. It doesn't matter. We have the internals in your bet. Honestly, Honestly, the, the beautiful thing about Spotify has been the lack of censorship and the lack of fear of having episodes polled and all the the beautiful thing about Spotify has been the lack of censorship. And the lack of fear of having episodes pulled and all that shit. Spotify It's been been amazing. And in the beginning, people thought they were going to be worse than YouTube. They've actually conversely been so much better. Yeah. There's been so much better. I think that's just because people are they terror they they hate fate change. They hate any kind of like news That's right. That's right. Thing that's happening. And, you know, also, it's like, they hate they hate someone doing well. well. So someone gets some crazy deal and they're making all this money like, oh, it gets something crazy deal and they're making all this money like, oh, it sucks now. I used to watch. Now I hate it. Yeah. It's Yeah. the workshop. She sold it. Normal. It's normal. Right. So and, also, in the beginning, I did lose a lot. We lost, like, fifty percent of our audience, like, almost right away. Yeah. Jamie was in frothy panic. Really? Look at him. Well, he's got so many other opportunities. Frothy panic. Yeah. But a year later, we've got as much much. If not more, we have more and it's not more. We have more. Right. And it's better. It's bigger than where it's ever been. Yeah. just it just had like This is just what happens immediately. Mean, I just like good. Let me be ten percent less famous. Right. I'll be happy for twenty five. Give me twenty five percent less fame. Yeah. And more money. Well, that's not the way it's worked out. That. Well, that's funny. You understand that, man. You're like, let's be a little less controversial, little less famous. Well, I was And then on the other side of you, Fauci, trying to drone you outside of your house. He didn't really warn him now. Yeah. Oh my god. You think so? Oh, Oh They're coming for him. They held one in Social Security. Look at the Cuomo's. Yes. They hell you and hell inhale. You let the Cuomo, you like the Cuomo's Well, that's a different situation. situation. But the Fowchee situation after ran, Paul attacked him for gain of function The Fauci situation after Rand Paul attacked him for gain a function research, and then people started mitigating a fucking research, and it all came from Josh Rogen's reporting. And Josh Rogen, he was the one who showed that the Fauci funding the eco health alliance that the NIH funding them is what started up, we gained a function of research in Wuhan, like after Obama had put the kibosh on it. Yeah. And he's, like, still in denial, but the NIH has come clean. NIH has said, yes. It's gained a function research. And Fauci's, like, gain of function research is a very nebulous term. Like, he talks so slow. Yeah. He gets What's the diseases? diseases. The guy's a The guy's a problem. It's amazing. He is, like, the way he handles where he's obviously cornered. Right. And he just, like, JRE jitsu is his way. Well, he's also been a government guy forever forever. forever. He's been a bureaucrat government been a bureaucrat. He's been a government employee. Yeah. And he's paid more than the president. Yeah. And they did a documentary about him, and it's he's very vain. The documentary about him is the reason they took the thumbs down off of YouTube. It's crazy. How vain how vain he is. Of course. You know, and you know, unwilling he is to give up the spot like, even when, as you showed me that Hugh Hughah clip, people are like, you know, you might accomplish the goal of getting more people vaccinated by stepping aside -- Yeah. because you're not well liked or trusted. And And it's crazy to watch them react to crazy to watch and react to that. Yeah. You're crazy. Crazy. I completely disagree. Yeah. It's my show. show. If you criticize Anthony you criticize Anthony Fauci -- Yeah. -- you criticize exam. Would you have Billy Boy Gates on? A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. I think that would be interesting. I'd say how do I get in the club. Yeah. What do I have to do? Well, it's about at that time. You're you're knocking on that door. How do get a shot? Dude, what if you just reversed everything you said tomorrow? Like, it would be kind of hilarious. Turn around. If you're just winning you tomorrow and go, you know, I slept on it, and I've decided got double backs last night. Yeah. You go, I got double backs last night. At the same time. I had a great sleep, and I have the CEO of Pfizer and Moderna here and a Hillary Clinton. Yeah. And we're all gonna tell you everything's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's the move. Does it scare you to be at the level of prominence you are with, like, a family, just the idea of, like, as the kids grow up and they hear things on the news, does it is it harder for you to explain to them. That's what I do. Yeah. I mean, it's it's not easy to explain, but nor would it be easy to explain if I was a hit man. You know? Well, it's like, those are the only two options of that's how I live. live. I have one, one or two have one one or two choices. Either I go out like the punisher. Right. I mean, I like that. But But so D do they ever ask or is it, are they do do they ever ask? Or is it are they not? Yeah. They think it's funny. Like but they think it's funny because I think it's funny. That's Like, when I come home, like, daddy's in trouble again. Right. The the the government's mad at daddy. Yeah. You know, like, they don't if I I guess if I really tweaked, they would probably tweaked too. But you set that standard of, like, this is part of the JRE, part of the big man. You know? know? And you know, it's that if you can't take the heat expression, you know, it's that if you can't take the heat expression, you know. Right. Shouldn't be in this business. Right. So it's -- Absolutely. -- Absolutely. So the business of opinions, you know, we're in the business of opinions and it's a weird fucking business because people, it's hard for people to have opinions today because of corporate structures, human resources, you know, you want to make it up the corporate ladder and there's an ideology that your company the business of opinions. You know, we're in the business of opinions. Yeah. And it's a weird fucking business because people it's hard for people to have opinions today because of corporate structures, human resources, you wanna make it up the corporate ladder and there's an ideology that your company has. And if it's left wing or right wing, you have to tow that line, like, it's fucking hard for people to just have opinions. And Even if they do have opinions, when do they have the time to talk about it? That's right. right. The thing about talking about opinions, like we do, we sit and talk for hours and thing about talking about opinions like we do, when you sit and talk for hours and hours, Nobody has the time to do that. What have you learned, I think, through this whole period? Not only just the last year, but the last few years about the way that friendships work at your level because everybody wants something from you. Right? Right? You have this platform, you can share it with have this platform, you can share it with people, everybody wants to get on the show, everybody wants maybe you to endorse their I have friends who call me, they're like, yo, tell Joe about this weed opportunity. opportunity. I'm like, are you on I'm like, are you on drugs drugs? And they are, but like, how do you deal with they are? But Like, how do you deal with just that? Whereas all these different people -- I have to say no to a lot of things. -- you you. Say no to a lot of no to a lot of people. And sometimes yeah. And sometimes it's uncomfortable Like, sometimes people won't let it go. And, you know And you said people will comment you all different ways. And your wife, everybody, just trunks in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a, it's an issue, you it's it's it's an issue. You know what I mean? I've changed my phone number a lot. Right. Right. I've got to change it change it again. You know? Right. I changed it last year. I gotta change it again. I I don't have several phones. have four phones now. You said three now I have four. That's crazy. No. I have ABC, and d. You're a. Congratulations. Oh, congrats. Thank you very much. much. I appreciate it appreciate the fun of Carrie. Yeah. But there's a lot of people that I checked their I checked that phone once week. Right. Yeah. And and maybe not even. Sometimes not Who's the best guest you've had other than me in the last seven or eight years? Would you there's so many good ones, man. Yeah. So anything I mean, many serious ones, so many things Finding that in my head is of my head is Peterson -- Yeah. -- classic. Yeah. He's awesome. Bob Lazar. Oh, yeah. That was great. That's a great episode. You know, I don't know if he's Mike Geisinger. Mike Tyson's great. I've had Dre. lot of great ones. Elon is always great. And Alex. Yeah. Alex is great. Yeah. I've had so many great ones. So many comics, like, one of the things that we've been doing is me, Shane Gilles, Mark Norman, and Ari Shafir. We do this thing called the Cuddle Party. Yeah. Or the four of us, and we get fucking hammered. That's how the most shit. And then afterwards, like, panic. Like, maybe we should cut that part out. Oh, that's the back. That's when you know it's good. That's when you know an episode of The Phyllis was hammering. We've only had one person, and he was on his podcast come on our show where we couldn't use any of it. Because he just starts attacking screaming about Ali Wong. I mean, he's he's mentally ill. We love him. He's done well, and we know that he had too many heroes. Yeah. And so we just couldn't use but God love them. him. The but yeah, those are when you know they're good yeah, those are when you know they're good episodes. episodes. Yeah. It's those but those with the ones with comics are my favorite because I feel the most at home. I mean, look, III wear a lot of different hats, lack of better term when you build this I do this thing. It's very strange. Like, sometimes I'm talking to a scientist. Sometimes I'm talking to someone who wrote a book about the environment. Sometimes talking to a psychologist. Sometimes I'm talking to a comedian. Sometimes I'm talking to a fighter. Sometimes I'm talking to an event. event. It's like, it's a weird gig, It's like -- Right. -- it's a weird gig man. Yeah. And I it's only me me. That's booking booking them. Right. Like like that guy looks like fun. How do people get on? People ask me all the time, they go, how does somebody get on that? I I seek people out. out. I said, yeah. I I think I'm like, he just has to want you to come on. Yeah. That's it. There's no other way on. Right. And I have to say yes. Like, there's literally no other way on. Because Well, there's there's also giving me twenty five thousand dollars. $25,000. And what that'll do is increase the what that'll do is increase the likelihood of help. It'll help. Yeah. But it's not an exact done that once. Really? Yes. I didn't take the money, but he paid a friend and he my friend was broke. And he told me, hey, this guy told me that if I get you on or if I get him on your podcast, he'll give me twenty five thousand dollars. That $25,000. That was the exact the exact number that was close to that. And I said, listen. I said, I would have that guy on anyway because he's really interesting. Right. Yes. So you can can. I love love you, so you take the money -- Yeah? -- and then I'll have him on. But I would I would just let you know, I would've had him on anyway, but don't tell him that and get that money. Because for you Yeah. There's no one way on. There's just you have to be interested in what somebody is saying. That's one of the beauties of the podcast is that it's only what I'm interested in. So whether it's talking to Bob Lazar, or talking to a fighter or talking to an artist, you know, like, people. Like, it's all Right. I have to be interested. And I'm like, I'd like to talk to that guy or Oliver Stone who was on today. I was like, Oliver Stone wanted to come on. And I don't know if you've seen his new fucking Kennedy document. Amazing. Holy shit. I haven't seen it, but I fucking amazing. And then there's a four hour one that's coming out at the end of it's on Showtime right now until the end of February. At the end of February, it's everywhere, and he's gonna release a four hour version. Wow. Wow. It's fucking fantastic. So this leave will leave no doubt that it says, oh, my god. There's no doubt with the two hour one. But he says -- Right. -- deeper with the four of four But, like, having Oliver Stone on, like, fuck yeah. Quentin Tarantino. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Those kind of people. It's like it's just who I'm interested it in. I I can I talk to that person? Yeah. Let's get it. Go get them. Go get them. Let's do it. Sure. That's what it is. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why the podcast works is because There's never a moment, like, you remember that Bill Hicks bit about JRE Leno sitting there talking to Joey Lawrence. And his blood splatters like the NBCP Yeah. Because he's a compliment to the bigger man. Yeah. But it's that Jay Leno really didn't wanna talk to these guys. Right. That's the bill. Like, hey, Joey Lawrence. Right. You got a girlfriend which Right. Right. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and you talk to people you wanna talk. Exactly. Like, there's no one gets on and less on And so much of As a rage I think it used that you've really found this way to monetize enjoying stuff. And satiating your curiosity and having these long meaningful conversations and you've revolutionized the long form discussion. Yeah. And all of these other media figures that supposedly could have done it or fancy themselves Themselves to be to be intellectuals and to be none of them did it. You did it. A comedian, an MMA commentator. You did it. None of them did it. It's weird. So I think a lot of the rage at you comes from that. It's a huge chance on yourself and it worked out and none of them did. Well, it's it's weird too in that like, when it became long form just because that's what I wanted to do. Like Ari was, like, the fucking most adamant person. Tell me, you're gonna change it. You're gonna edit it. Yeah. Tell me, like, you know, I'm telling you right now. You're fucking up. I go, how am I fucking up? Because you're out of your show. It's too long. I go, well, then don't listen. Right. And then when he goes, people won't listen, you go, they don't have too. Yeah. I'm like, I don't care. Yeah. I was making no money. Right. money. I was making $0 and I was doing it every was making zero dollars. Right. I was doing it every week. week. And it got to the point where there was one time when me and Red Band JRE sitting around and he goes, do you know how downloads his cats? Yeah. Well, no. And he goes, the average had got a million downloads, and it was like like a record skip. Yeah. Like, what? What? Yeah. What? that? A million A million downloads. Ari has great advice. He told me once that I should I should put out tweet about Kobe Bryant, and I didn't. So thank God. But just so sometimes he is wrong. Sometimes sometimes he's wrong. Yeah. He's a funny guy. But -- So -- have you ever seen his dick and balls every day? day? I mean, he's let him stay at my rental on TAC sent me this mean, he's Why don't stay at my rental and setting this video? I mean, all he does is is is expose himself indecisently. His his balls don't look like they belong with his dick. Dick. I told him that his balls seemed like his Dick is a hermit crab and stole his balls from someone told him that his balls seem like his dick is a hermit crab and stole his balls from someone else and they live inside of it. He's he's completely out of his mind. I know, Miranda, and Maria. And I thought about shit, my best thought about you're doing my best press friends. So in a way, so you're here with me in of way. So you're here with me in spirit too. So happy new year. But it was false. It's insane. They're so big. It's like elephantitis. They're like like a giant Chimp. Yeah. Like, you know, chimps of balls. It's like elephant tigers. Yeah. It's crazy. crazy. It's like, how does a family, like Texas love Like, how does a family like Texas? Love it. it. They love love it. Yeah. They love it. They love it. it. Yeah, man, it's fucking great It's fucking great here. Yeah. People are so much more relaxed. And my what I think is really important and what I'm doing here with the club and the podcast here is I'm completely removing myself from the influence of Hollywood -- Right. -- because when you're in LA, you're still What it? You're still in your stats. It's still it's contagious. Yeah. It's in the air. Like, oh, I got it on me. Like, that disingenuous bullshit -- Right. -- for, you know, that fake sort of behavior than we do. That stuff gets into our business. business. Yeah. We have those actor types that kind of like, they, they dance in both have those actor types that kinda like they they dance in both worlds. And -- Yeah. -- have, like, one foot in the actor world. Right. One foot in and then they'll tweet about stuff. Yeah. The fuck are you doing? Tweeting about that. Right. Because they're in these both worlds. In that world, it contaminates things. Right. And comedy needs to have its own center where it's like comedy is the one hundred percent the thing. thing. It's not comedy to become a sit-com star not comedy to become a sitcom star company. Right. I want to tell young comics and I wanna help them and say, hey, you don't have to do anything else. Right. You can just do comedy. You don't have to have any be hire you for something. Right. You can be completely autonomous. And you could have all this, like, freedom to do podcasts, to do other people's podcasts, and we all will work together as an organic network. Yeah. You can just practice stand up. Right. Which is what everybody loves. Right. Everybody loves stand up. You do those other things because you think that's what you have to do for a career. career. Yeah. But ultimately, I remember being on news radio. I remember being on the fear factor in particular. And seeing people that I knew that I started out with, they were killing it in theaters, and they were on the road all the time, and I would be jealous. Right. I'd Right. I'd be like, God, I wish I was doing god, I wish I was doing that. Yeah. And I was trapped not trapped. Obviously, it's good trap. Yeah. But I was doing a a show, and I was like, I can't travel. Yeah. I have this show I have to do all the time. Yeah. I I could travel very rarely. Yeah. I remember thinking, god, this, like, cements in my head that I really love standup. I I love money. It's night money what's what's nice about money is you don't have to worry about money. Right. Because if you don't have money, then you worry about money. But if you can have a clear head, and once you get money, don't think, oh my god. I hope this doesn't go away. Now I have 25 everything safe and I have to I have to really pay by the rules so I get more this Hollywood. Right. Instead, what I did was go, okay, good. Now I've got some money. Now I could just be free. Now I'm a just do what I wanted to. Yeah. And then -- Sure. -- the the podcast thing came out of that because it was completely organic. There was no thought whatsoever about it being profitable -- Yeah. zero. And Yeah. the club, you're gonna open in a few months, and a lot of people will come probably, you know, to the club from other places too. Well, I hope you have a huge fan, but I send people will come. The goal is to be as supportive as possible. Standing up. Right. Right. You make an awesome place where comics, where audiences can come and have great time. Comics can come and know they're safe -- Right. -- and have fun there. there. We, you know, know, we're gonna Right. Maybe you are gonna require the booster. Everyone gets booster. Before you go on stage, every time. think if you just I think there's a waning period where people like, well, the vaccine effectiveness have dropped off. Yeah. Maybe if you keep hitting people who come back -- Yeah. -- just boosting every fucking week. And Maybe if you die, you were supposed to. Yeah. I mean, people are always saying that the roads are too crowded here for sure. What if we boost a lot of people a lot of you? Well, I mean, that makes a lot of sense. sense. I want to thank you for taking your time busy thank you for taking your time. My apologies. You guys Ben's gonna get you we promised you fifty dollars. Ben will go to the ATM, get him the money. Wanna thank you. Yeah. I wanna thank you for being one of these new up and coming people that's very exciting. And I think you're paving the way for a lot of people that are seeing what you're doing. Wow. Seeing your you're courageous, you're a wild motherfucker, you know, chances you're smart, it's awesome. Well, thank you for doing this. I'm happy to be your friend. Well, I am happy to be your friend, and Thank you for giving me the strength to be a gamer and be trans. Good night. Thank you. Thank you, Joe.