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And the water broke, man, the water

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another, you're a grandfather again, speaking of

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water breaking. How about you having, what

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grandbaby is that now? Is that number

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one, two, three, five, six? Six, and

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we had to have a family meeting

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because we have 302, and we said,

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time out, you know, it's kind of

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a hard meeting to have with your

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children, because you don't wanna have with

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your children, because you don't want to.

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The music hits a little different when

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Mark Ingram isn't here. Coach, you need

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Let Mark handle that. Yeah, from a

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1:08

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1:10

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1:12

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1:14

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1:16

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1:19

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1:21

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1:23

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1:25

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1:58

All of us at the triple. to

2:00

offer our sincere condolences to those

2:02

that were affected and impacted by

2:04

that terrible act of terrorism in

2:06

New Orleans, just ahead of the

2:08

sugar bowl, just an ugly scene

2:10

and felt sick that it was

2:12

even surrounded by college football. Of

2:14

course, it delayed the sugar bowl

2:17

by a delay, which meant the

2:19

winner of that game had one

2:21

less day to prepare for the

2:23

national semi-finals. All right, Coach, are

2:25

we ready to go here? Let's

2:27

start with the SEC. Okay, you

2:29

know how many teams are left

2:31

in the final four from the

2:33

SEC? Yeah, and it's really the

2:36

new SEC It's really bingo you

2:38

really count them as the SEC

2:40

yet. They're just one year in

2:42

so of course you can but

2:44

Man, I was watching those games

2:46

and I was at the Ohio

2:48

State Tennessee game. I watched very

2:50

closely like we all did Georgia

2:52

It really wasn't close the Georgia

2:54

game. You know another game if

2:57

you take out the previous 15

2:59

years of domination by the SEC.

3:01

Georgia Notre Dame had better athletes.

3:03

They were a much better football

3:05

team. Ohio State Tennessee, Ohio State

3:07

had much better athletes than University

3:09

of Tennessee. Illinois, South Carolina. Illinois

3:11

had better athletes in South Carolina.

3:13

What in the hell is going

3:16

on? I mean... something there's but

3:18

then you know we'll get to

3:20

the recruiting rankings and transfer portal

3:22

rankings and I'm anxious to see

3:24

the NFL draft this year because

3:26

normally speaking Rob NFL draft I

3:28

would always tell our staff that's

3:30

the other than championships championships are

3:32

number one NFL draft is the

3:34

indicator of how you're doing recruiting

3:37

and you can change the helmets

3:39

on these teams and say those

3:41

are all SEC teams like it

3:43

used to be but the question

3:45

is the NCC dominance over it's

3:47

over. Now, it feels like it's

3:49

over the year, next year's in

3:51

the year. But for two years,

3:53

it's over. Yeah, and the Wolverines,

3:56

the Wolverines, it wasn't even close.

3:58

taking care of Alabama down in

4:00

Tampa, Texas A&M lost to USA.

4:02

These are bowl games, not playoff

4:04

games. But remember, Coach, the buildup

4:06

to that final college football playoff

4:08

field announcement, it was all the

4:10

talk like, is old Miss or

4:12

Alabama or maybe even a South

4:15

Carolina can they sneak them their

4:17

way in there? And then there

4:19

was this, you know, the hand

4:21

wringing and the disgust out there

4:23

that some of these other programs

4:25

are stealing spots from the mighty

4:27

SEC. And let's be honest, the

4:29

SEC, the SEC, to me coach.

4:31

dominated college football through the course

4:33

of the regular season. It felt

4:36

like every week on big new

4:38

kickoff, we were talking about a

4:40

major playoff format type altering game

4:42

courtesy of the SEC. And they

4:44

were constantly sitting there with numerous

4:46

programs inside the top 10, but

4:48

here in the playoffs, they had.

4:50

they had fizzled and its first

4:52

year program in the SEC, Texas,

4:55

that's carrying the water right now

4:57

for the SEC. It's interesting, Coach,

4:59

if you go back years, and

5:01

I know you coached obviously in

5:03

the SEC down there in Gainesville,

5:05

there was always this, we'll call

5:07

it a perception, all right, that

5:09

the SEC somehow found a way

5:11

to take care of their players

5:13

and somehow get recruits to come

5:16

to campus and sign on. I

5:18

remember hearing weird stories stories about

5:20

when they would pass the bucket

5:22

around at the churches on Sunday,

5:24

there would be a lot of

5:26

coaches and recruiters sitting in certain

5:28

players' churches and filling up that

5:30

little bin with some cash to

5:32

go to the family that was

5:35

taking in the money that week.

5:37

All those kind of weird crazy

5:39

stories from the South, but I

5:41

know you lived it, and there

5:43

was that perception, right, that the

5:45

SEC somehow, some way found a

5:47

way to make sure those players

5:49

were. properly taken care of and

5:51

pushed to SEC schools. Now though

5:53

with NIL, it almost feels like

5:56

it's kind of perhaps leveled the

5:58

playing field in that department. Dr.

6:00

Brady Quinn last night about that

6:02

and you wonder if that's the

6:04

great equalizer now and to sit there

6:06

and throw accusations at the

6:08

SEC, that's not unless there's

6:10

some substance behind it. You know, I

6:12

coached there for over the six or seven

6:15

years and the stories were out

6:17

there, but to say there's substance

6:19

that's, you know, I don't want to be part

6:21

of that media crew that starts, you

6:23

know, without any background or whatever,

6:26

but the reality is. Let's go

6:28

back to the visual eye test

6:30

to what happened. And the

6:32

comment is the SEC run over. It

6:35

is. And he could simply watch

6:37

it on. Now, once again, I

6:39

know that's gonna be a big

6:41

topic now. Next year is a

6:43

different year, but for 2020, what

6:46

was it, 2023 and 2024? Non-factors

6:49

in that, you got Texas right

6:51

now, but are we really calling

6:53

Texas? Texas. a blue blood

6:56

of the SEC first year. They're

6:58

a blue blood of college football, but

7:00

not a blue blood in that

7:02

conference, correct. Yeah, right. So, yeah, it's,

7:05

it's, I missed on some things. I

7:07

was part of the SEC bandwagon as

7:09

well. You know, I coached in

7:11

that conference and top to bottom,

7:13

there was, it wasn't even close

7:15

when I got to the Big Ten

7:18

in 2012. Even Shelley, like, my, she

7:20

watched our game, she watched our game, said,

7:22

what is this, what is this, this

7:24

doesn't. You can see what you want

7:26

in 2012. The Big Ten was not

7:29

a good conference relative to

7:31

the SEC, not even close. I think

7:33

what's happened is there's been

7:35

some additions, obviously Oregon,

7:37

Washington, UCL and USC,

7:39

but also people have

7:41

really committed in the Big Ten.

7:43

The upper echelon Big Ten

7:45

conference schools have really... jumped

7:48

on as far as recruiting you saw the

7:50

Wolverines last year, one of the most dominant

7:52

programs in the last decade. The Buckeyes right

7:54

now, the best roster, I don't think it's

7:56

close in college football. You got Penn

7:58

State, that's really put... together a hell

8:01

of a team. And then you

8:03

got the Illinois beat in South

8:05

Carolina. You know, think about that.

8:07

You know, so that's it. Illinois.

8:09

Illinois. Yeah. And then the Michigan

8:11

State Wisconsin's that are in Iowa's

8:13

that are traditionally right there, you

8:15

know, right at the next rung,

8:18

they weren't there. So imagine if

8:20

Wisconsin and Michigan State and Iowa

8:22

could back to what they were.

8:24

You know, there's a good, there's

8:26

a good argument now. And I

8:28

know. people got after the ESP

8:30

and commentators, you know, pretty, it

8:32

was pretty bad. People were sending

8:34

me as far as, you know,

8:36

because they were complaining that a

8:38

South Carolina old miss should have

8:40

been in over those other teams

8:43

and then not not not so

8:45

fast. Guess what is going to

8:47

happen though when the pre season

8:49

rankings come out for next season?

8:51

Right. I'm telling, we, I was

8:53

going to be filled with SEC

8:55

teams. Yeah, and deservedly so. But

8:57

in real time, it's right now,

8:59

it's other conference, the Big Ten

9:01

is past them for 2023 and

9:03

2024. And what's amazing though is

9:06

the Big Ten was frankly not

9:08

getting a whole lot of love

9:10

this season. I know Oregon was

9:12

in that number one spot for

9:14

a long time, but that was

9:16

like the quietest number one team.

9:18

We've had a long time because

9:20

again, they're all the way out

9:22

west. There's that East Coast bias

9:24

against programs out by the Pacific.

9:26

was just top heavy as it

9:29

has been for years you're right

9:31

it's been the big three coach

9:33

right of Ohio State Penn State

9:35

and Michigan and after that it

9:37

was it was a bit of

9:39

a drop-off Bilema though bringing up

9:41

Illinois has certainly helped the product

9:43

Iowa actually found some offense this

9:45

year but it's that middle pack

9:47

of the big ten you know

9:49

the Michigan states like you talked

9:51

about the Nebraska's I think that's

9:54

a program on the rise are

9:56

gonna have to to elevate and

9:58

push things a little bit USC

10:00

wasn't the U. Wisconsin's going to

10:02

be a fascinating watch next season.

10:04

I'm really if they'd kind of

10:06

say, you know what, let's get

10:08

back to Wisconsin football. Let's get

10:10

the guys. Let's run the SEC.

10:12

One more time, Rob. So let's

10:14

go back. And when I coached

10:17

there on the western side of

10:19

the SEC, it was Alabama, Auburn,

10:21

LSU. Yeah, the Texas A&M. Those

10:23

are legitimate national championship contenders. They

10:25

have a budget for it. They

10:27

recruit for it. Ole Miss would

10:29

flirt around with having a hell

10:31

of a team. And so what

10:33

Arkansas, Arkansas, got budget, budget, And

10:35

then to go on the other

10:37

side, it was always Florida, Georgia,

10:39

and Tennessee, always. And South Carolina

10:42

was screwing around when they had

10:44

Coach Spur and Coach Holtz there.

10:46

They would have some great teams.

10:48

That's a heck of a hard

10:50

place to go play. So I

10:52

would always say in the SEC,

10:54

you have eight maybe nine teams

10:56

that are budgeted and have expectations

10:58

to play for the crystal ball.

11:00

In the Big Ten, it used

11:02

to be at two and three.

11:05

It'd be Ohio State, like you

11:07

said, the Wolverines and Penn State.

11:09

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11:11

we'll see what the future holds

11:13

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11:15

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11:17

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coached another day and I pulled

13:22

this up here Rob. Take a

13:24

look at this. So I don't

13:26

know if you can see this

13:29

or not, I'll read it for

13:31

you. But it's my weather on

13:33

your app. Yeah. And it says,

13:35

feels like five degrees in South

13:37

Bend. There's flurries, blowing wind. Those

13:39

got those wind signals. There's probably

13:41

something called Lake Effect coming. I

13:43

recruited there and it is, it's

13:45

a great school. It's a hard,

13:47

hard job. Marcus Freeman. We'll talk

13:49

about that in a minute. I

13:52

have to talk about that minute

13:54

because I really admire the guy.

13:56

Notre Dame, only a certain player

13:58

will go there. academics are

14:00

a premium you know you are there

14:02

it's not the online and it's I

14:04

mean you're going there I don't know

14:06

their whole NIL they must be doing

14:08

very well with that because they have

14:10

a really good team but I watched those

14:13

players speak I've been there I know that

14:15

culture and I got a little choked

14:17

up watching Notre Dame just put it

14:19

all over an SEC team that a few years

14:21

ago you never thought that would happen

14:24

yeah and I was at the

14:26

Notre Dame versus Alabama national championship

14:28

game and it was you know, big

14:30

boys against non big, I mean, Alabama

14:32

just took them all over the field. So

14:34

that was a great moment for the

14:37

subway alums of Notre Dame, for the

14:39

coaching staff, most important players, but

14:41

man, enjoy that. Because I'm telling you

14:43

right, look at that, it's seven degrees

14:46

right now in South Bend, and they're

14:48

trying to recruit players, you

14:50

know, recruiting seasons December, January

14:53

still. And I remember, man, it's

14:55

only a certain player you can get up

14:57

there. And they tell you got to live in a

14:59

dorm. You got to live in the dorm. It

15:01

used to be four years. And the dorm,

15:03

some dorms don't have air conditioning.

15:05

I don't know that now. And it's just a

15:08

rugged, rugged environment. Academically, you gotta

15:10

be on your toes, man. You

15:12

gotta be a real interested in

15:14

academia to go to the. If

15:16

you're the Notre Dame coaching staff, yeah,

15:18

you're obviously looking at the rankings list

15:20

and what talent this guy brings in

15:23

the stars, but you're finding that transcript

15:25

right away. Right, like, is this dude

15:27

even in the conversation right away? This

15:30

is so, I'm glad you brought that

15:32

up. That's real. And now once

15:34

can I, I haven't been there in a

15:36

minute, but the first thing you do

15:38

is the transcript and it's, you can't

15:40

go through it, you push it to your

15:43

people and they say no and you're

15:45

like no, we're going to be playing

15:47

against this guy, I would get so

15:49

pissed off and but it's, it's part

15:51

of the way it is. And then

15:53

after you're there for a minute. I

15:55

get it only a certain player can

15:57

go to Notre Dame and academic.

15:59

is part of the conversation. I've heard

16:01

this from colleagues now, that is really

16:03

not, you know, people that transfer three

16:05

schools, is academics really, are you even

16:07

talking about that or simply I can

16:10

get you $7,000 more than the other

16:12

guy? You know, so it's, it's, uh,

16:14

what a time, man. I mean, this

16:16

is really interesting stuff. No, didn't hit

16:18

the transfer portal. They had a lot

16:20

of impactful players that helped them get

16:22

to the national semi finals, courtesy of

16:24

that transfer portal. You still have to

16:26

be a Notre Dame guy, right? You

16:28

still have to check a ton of

16:30

boxes. Yeah, they're getting, they're getting dudes

16:32

from, you know, Wake Forest and Duke,

16:34

right, elite academic institutions to be their

16:36

quarterbacks to drive them forward. I'm sure

16:38

that drives some of the alumni. I

16:40

think it's one of the greatest stories,

16:42

and it's one of the best stories

16:44

right now. And they were written that

16:46

game last night, because they were under

16:48

the radar, you know, you know, you

16:50

lose to the Northern Illinois, in Illinois,

16:52

then you, you, and you went 12,

16:54

and I'm watching, and I'm watching her

16:56

coach, like, like I'm watching her coach,

16:58

like I'm watching her coach, like I

17:00

told, like I told you, like I

17:02

told you, like I told you, like

17:04

I told you, like I told you,

17:06

like I told you, like I told

17:08

you, like I told you, like I

17:10

told you, like I told you, Al

17:12

Gold in the defense court who's a

17:14

hell of a football coach man. You're

17:16

seeing the resurrection of some coaching careers

17:18

and then you see a guy that

17:20

a guy, how about this now? You

17:22

lose to Marshall. You lose to Northern

17:24

Illinois. You don't want to go there

17:26

but I am because I'm going to

17:28

respect the guys so much. You have

17:30

twice 11, 10 players on the field

17:32

against Ohio State. You're going they lost.

17:34

And that impacted the most places you're

17:36

gone. Most places you're gone. So kudos

17:38

to the athletic director they extended one

17:40

of the great young coaches in college

17:42

football right now Marcus Freeman He brought

17:44

him back he did what he did

17:47

and so He had his I'm gonna

17:49

hit this right now. It's alright Rob,

17:51

but we have a He had his

17:53

I texted him last night, and I

17:55

said you had your moment in his

17:57

moment was the fourth down and that

17:59

was arguably one of the greatest coaching

18:01

calls you made Shelley gave me such

18:03

a hard time because when I was

18:05

younger I do that kind of stuff.

18:07

as you got older, you get more

18:09

tight. And he went, it's, for the

18:11

viewer, they transition, they rent 11 guys

18:13

off on offense, 11 guys on the,

18:15

no, I'm sorry, the pun team came

18:17

out. And they were backed up, they

18:19

were backed up, they were inside, I

18:21

believe they were inside their 20, and

18:23

they were ready to punt it, as

18:25

they should have. And this could win

18:27

or lose the game. That's out, this

18:29

is the moment, and this is nothing

18:31

other than the other than the head

18:33

coach, other than the head coach, But

18:35

the head coach is the buck stops

18:37

here. He had to make that call.

18:39

Think of all the things that can

18:41

go wrong. Some of them make, that's

18:43

a discipline and you know, those players

18:45

at Notre Dame are different cats, man.

18:47

So they run the 11 guys off.

18:49

11 guys run on on offense. You

18:51

see Georgia getting discombobulated, but they did

18:53

got to 11 defensive players on. It

18:55

was set. I can promise you a

18:57

Notre Dame was not gonna run a

18:59

play. They're gonna hard count them. And

19:01

then they snap the ball. So that's

19:03

the trust that Marcus Freeman has in

19:05

that. This is all in the center

19:07

now. If that guy, and it's much

19:09

more difficult than the sounds, the defense

19:11

alignment cross the neutral zone, which you're

19:13

allowed to do, because you're allowed to

19:15

get back, unless contact is made, and

19:17

the center snapped the ball. If the

19:19

center snaps the ball and the player

19:21

gets back, it's turnover, George's ball right

19:24

there. So, one of the great, like

19:26

I said, I contacted Marcus last night

19:28

and I said, that was one of

19:30

the greatest coaching moments I witnessed. What

19:32

was his response? That was great. He's,

19:34

you know, obviously he's on to the

19:36

next. You know, he's, thank you very

19:38

much and I appreciate it. And then,

19:40

you know, on to Penn State. So

19:42

did, did you have that in your

19:44

playbook at some point, that whole moving

19:46

out the, the pun team and bringing

19:48

in the office? you know once again

19:50

I didn't know that was you're allowed

19:52

to do that I know curbs smart

19:54

made a comment after the game I'm

19:56

anxious to see what the ruling is

19:58

on that that you're to run 11

20:00

on and 11 off. So no, I never

20:02

went there. And but once again,

20:04

given a person credit, first

20:06

of all, you can practice that all

20:08

you want to have the balls to

20:10

call that at that moment. Because

20:12

you miss that, Rob. You, you, yep.

20:14

Oh, you're, you're, you might be out

20:17

of the profession. Well, you're out of

20:19

the profession. And you've got to

20:21

look, you've got to walk in front

20:23

of that team after a loss and

20:26

say I did that. You know, we

20:28

ran a fake pun against the Wolverines

20:30

in 2016 because we weren't moving the

20:32

ball. It did not work and they scored.

20:34

I had a hard time breathing the

20:36

next two quarters because I thought I

20:38

was going to have to look my

20:40

team and I said, I lost that game. Not

20:42

you guys. I did. Wow. I gave Georgia credit

20:44

in the moment as that was going

20:47

on because the visual of it was

20:49

so disturbing and altering. I was

20:51

watching it with some friends and my

20:53

wife and you just see this. massive

20:55

humanity moving while they're backed up and you're

20:57

like, all right, if you're Georgia, it's just get the

21:00

dudes out on the field and hold your water as Chris

21:02

Pielman used to tell me, right? Hold your water because

21:04

you know what they're doing, right? I mean, if you're

21:06

Georgia, you have to say all they're trying to do

21:08

is draw us offside. That's all they're trying to do

21:10

with the shadows and the gimmicks and the drama in

21:12

the theater. That's all it's all it was and just

21:14

sit there and just sit there and just sit there

21:16

and just sit there and just sit there and just

21:18

sit there and just sit there and just sit there

21:20

and just sit there and Don't budge, hold

21:22

your water. And the water broke,

21:24

man, the water broke. By the

21:26

way, speaking of water breaking, congratulations

21:28

to Gee, and her husband, another,

21:30

you're a grandfather again, speaking of

21:32

water breaking. How about you having,

21:34

what grandbaby is that now? Is

21:37

that number one, two, five, six?

21:39

Six, six, six, six. And we

21:41

had to have a family meeting

21:43

because we have 302. And we said,

21:45

timeout. Timeout. You know, it's kind

21:48

of a hard meeting to have

21:50

with your children. Oh my goodness.

21:52

I mean, they're like, gremlins, man.

21:54

I mean, it's, uh, multiplying. It's

21:56

so awesome. God is great and

21:59

everyone's healthy. A couple quick notes

22:01

here to wrap up this Georgia

22:03

Notre Dame conversation. Georgia has had

22:05

issues. stopping running quarterbacks all season

22:07

long. Jaylyn Millrow, 16 carries, 117

22:10

yards, two touchdowns. You could even

22:12

go to the old miss game.

22:14

Jackson Dart ran it for 50

22:16

yards with eight carries. The big

22:18

one though, Georgia Tech, quarterback, Haynes,

22:21

King, 24 carries, 110 yards, and

22:23

three touchdowns. Riley Leonard. You know

22:25

who had the most carries and

22:27

the most rushing yards between both

22:29

teams in that quarterfinal game? Riley

22:32

Leonard. 14. How about his effort

22:34

in the fourth quarter on that

22:36

last drive? 80 yards total. Yeah,

22:38

laying it on his head. Ultimate

22:41

respect, man. You see his passing

22:43

stats, I believe you only threw

22:45

for 80 yards and that. Yeah.

22:47

So I wasn't that. I think

22:49

it was 90 yards. He ran

22:52

it for 80. So efficient, right?

22:54

The Duke transfer getting it done.

22:56

The big moment too. You know,

22:58

obviously there was that guts. Call

23:00

coach that you hit in the

23:03

fourth quarter. Notre Dame. getting 17

23:05

points in a 54 second span

23:07

to close the first half and

23:09

start the second half. And it

23:11

was all triggered by a decision

23:14

by Georgia to not run out

23:16

the clock in the first half.

23:18

They could have gotten out there

23:20

in in good shape. And again,

23:23

they're with their backup quarterback and

23:25

his first career start. And I'm

23:27

looking at the clock and I

23:29

feel like it said like in

23:31

the 34s. And I said to

23:34

myself, it's taken me. Take any

23:36

get out and I know we

23:38

can second guess all you want

23:40

But but Kirby Smart is having

23:42

a conversation right now and people

23:45

are asking that question You know

23:47

why why go for it when

23:49

you're you're backed up and you

23:51

got the back up QB and

23:53

it's still a close game Just

23:56

get out of there into the

23:58

locker is what I'm thinking But

24:00

you on the sideline coach what

24:02

what what was your your thought

24:04

when you saw that Georgia was

24:07

going to try to play for

24:09

it and try to try to

24:11

drive and try to do something

24:13

to close out those last couple

24:16

seconds in the first

24:24

That's one of those ones again on today.

24:26

I know Kirby pretty well. I can

24:28

tell you what I'd be doing right now.

24:30

I would have never slept. I would

24:32

have sat and watched that over and

24:35

over again. I would have had a

24:37

pad of paper by me and what

24:39

it broke three pencils that I, why

24:41

didn't, you know, you can blame the left

24:44

tackle, you can blame this, you

24:46

can blame that. However, if you

24:48

grab a knee, that game might have

24:50

been different, you know, so those are

24:52

tough ones, you know, the program

24:54

culture, you want to be aggressive

24:57

and... You want your players

24:59

to have the feeling of being aggressive.

25:01

So I would often do things and

25:03

tell them I'm going to do this

25:05

and if it doesn't work It's just

25:07

understand why I'm doing it because

25:10

I believe in you guys and we're

25:12

going to go after their ass here

25:14

So that's a tough scenario and then

25:16

the kickoff return my gosh. Yeah, look

25:18

at the athletes on the field That's

25:20

the thing that I'm mesmerized by right now.

25:22

That was not the case Rob. I mean

25:24

it was If someone is returning

25:26

a kickoff or touchdown, it's Georgia,

25:29

right? Yeah, or if someone breaks,

25:31

they're going to run you down. Yeah, yes.

25:33

Yes. Watch the NFL draft. Go through

25:35

Notre Dame and go through Georgia

25:37

the last 10 years. Go through the

25:39

SEC and go through the PAC and

25:42

go through the big 10 and the

25:44

other conferences. It's almost double what

25:46

comes out of that conference and

25:48

you're watching that game and it's, I

25:51

mean, it's, I keep saying that is, it's

25:53

over for now. I'm sure they'll be back because

25:55

you know once again that we're gonna talk about the

25:57

oh George will be back there are going to where

25:59

they are but How about this for Georgia

26:01

too, coach? They led the nation

26:03

and dropped passes. Like we're so

26:05

used to seeing these elite wide

26:07

receivers running up and down in

26:09

Athens and in this season there

26:11

they got dudes who are wide

26:14

open. There was that one pass

26:16

in the third quarter to Bell

26:18

that he that he dropped that

26:20

totally would have changed the game.

26:22

Yeah, and that's not what you

26:24

expect from Georgia. And again, coach,

26:26

this is the conversation you and

26:28

I and, you know, the big

26:30

noon staff, the triple option staff

26:32

has been having all season. What

26:34

Georgia are we going to see?

26:36

Is it going to be the

26:38

A team? Is it going to

26:40

be the B team? What Texas

26:42

are we going to see? The

26:44

A team or the B team?

26:46

And maybe, maybe guess what, all

26:48

along, they were just B teams.

26:50

Obviously the last two, unless Texas

26:52

wins it, but once again are

26:54

we really considering Texas, I mean

26:57

I think it'll take time to

26:59

really, but they are, obviously they

27:01

are SEC. And then you go

27:03

down and we have this stat

27:05

right below it. This 20, because

27:07

once again it's all about recruiting,

27:09

transfer portal rankings in 2024, five

27:11

of the top 10 were SEC

27:13

teams, which usually it's even higher

27:15

than that. 20, 24 high school

27:17

rankings. There it is, seven out

27:19

of the top 10. How about

27:21

that? We're SEC. And then multiple

27:23

NFL draft picks, or in multiple

27:25

mock drafts, the SEC will count

27:27

for 12 or the 15 players.

27:29

12 to 15 players taking in

27:31

the first round, which is half.

27:33

So once again, they're all there.

27:35

I can't watch it. I know

27:37

we're going to actually do a

27:40

triple option from the draft this

27:42

year. So I can't wait to

27:44

see if it's really starting to

27:46

turn. Because if that turns, that's

27:48

when shock waves get shot across

27:50

the country and say, what in

27:52

the Civil War? We got the

27:54

North versus the South. The North

27:56

is coming back. The whole narrative

27:58

will change. Last thought. And you

28:00

just barely touched on it for

28:02

this Notre Dame game. I think

28:04

one of the biggest winners of this

28:07

playoff so far as a human being,

28:09

Notre Dame defensive coordinator,

28:11

Algrove. And you remember Al as

28:13

a head coach at Temple? I'm

28:15

sorry, Al Golden. I'm thinking, he

28:18

used to coach at Virginia with

28:20

Algrove. So Al Golden, you know,

28:22

former head coach at Temple, former

28:24

head coach at Miami. I think

28:27

we were always kind of. visually

28:29

the conversation about Al Golden

28:31

was. Here he is, he's old school,

28:33

right? He's wearing the Oxford That's button

28:36

up. He's got the tie, right? And

28:38

he doesn't have the tie anymore as

28:40

a defensive coordinator at Notre Dame. He

28:43

has done so much to kind of

28:45

resurrect his his name and think of

28:47

some of these numbers here. Against Indiana

28:50

in that first round, the Hoosiers had

28:52

a pun it six times. They only

28:54

scored 17 points. They had 63 rushing.

28:57

They forced the Bulldogs to point four

28:59

times, only allowed 10 points. So through

29:01

two playoff games. Notre

29:03

Dame's defense has allowed

29:05

27 points and 125

29:07

total rushing yards. They

29:09

allowed 63 rushing yards

29:11

to Indiana. They allowed

29:13

62 rushing yards against

29:16

Georgia. The defensive coordinator, you

29:18

know, who went into the NFL and

29:20

it didn't go great for him, comes

29:22

back to the college game and signs

29:24

February of 2002 and he is a

29:26

major part coach of why Notre Dame

29:28

is off to the semi-finals. Yeah, Coach

29:30

Golden and myself, we kind of grew

29:32

up in the profession together. I've always

29:34

known him. We've always got along very

29:36

well and the respect I've had for

29:38

that guy is often, you know, in

29:40

this world of trying to find a

29:42

head coach. There's a guy with experience,

29:44

there's a guy that's probably matured, grew,

29:46

he's in one of the great programs

29:48

in the country right now. No one's ever

29:51

questioning his football acumen. I think he

29:53

had a couple tough scenarios. We did well at

29:55

Temple. And then Miami- Not an easy place to

29:57

do well. And Miami is a tough place. I

29:59

mean, that- they've had struggles now for

30:02

two decades. So Al Golden, yeah,

30:04

much respect. And the numbers are

30:06

there and I can speak on

30:08

behalf of who he is. A

30:10

great coach and so well respected.

30:13

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30:17

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30:19

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30:22

have put up 83 points, their

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point differential plus 45. Total yards

30:26

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you guys see first and foremost happy

32:38

new year Rob because my always a

32:40

pleasure to see you guys and I'm

32:42

still on cloud nine after watching unbelievable

32:44

performance on both sides of the ball

32:46

for the Buckeyes so I'm feeling pretty

32:48

good about our chances cardinal so good

32:51

to see you my man and uh one of

32:53

the great, I keep telling people that they ought

32:55

to build a statue. I know we got Archie.

32:57

What you did, the transformation I saw of

32:59

you as a player, you've always had

33:01

the talent but the focus and the

33:04

leadership and the way that team rallied

33:06

around you, you know, I'm biased, but

33:08

that was arguably the best three game

33:10

run in the history, certainly of

33:12

Ohio State. They might top it after this,

33:14

if they go on this three or four

33:16

game run, they could top it, but what

33:18

you did against taking over the helm in the

33:20

helm in the second half. with the fourth

33:23

quarter against Wolverines, then you

33:25

had Wisconsin, Alabama, and then

33:27

the way you played against

33:29

Oregon was phenomenal. So the new 12-team

33:31

playoff, you know, are you a fan?

33:33

Are you not a fan? And then

33:35

there's two quite, I want you to

33:38

answer this. Is the SEC run over? You

33:40

know what? That's hard. I think when

33:42

you think about the quality of teams, you

33:44

think about the number of teams stacking up

33:46

versus Big Ten versus Big Ten versus the

33:49

SEC. I think the SEC still have us

33:51

not just a little bit, but I'm taking

33:53

the top four teams versus the top four

33:56

teams at the SEC any day in a

33:58

week, but I think the SEC as

34:00

a conference is a little

34:02

bit deeper when you say

34:04

maybe top six to seven

34:06

teams than the Big Ten,

34:09

but the top dogs are

34:11

clearly in the Big Ten.

34:13

And I think we saw

34:15

it last two days ago

34:17

in the Roosevelt Ohio State

34:19

and Oregon putting on unbelievable

34:21

showdown and then being in

34:24

the top four. We got

34:26

two teams at the Big

34:28

Ten and I guess Notre

34:30

Dame is like our step

34:32

brothers in the Big Ten.

34:34

So I count them as

34:37

a Big Ten team as

34:39

well. But the 12 team

34:41

playoff is, you know, I'm

34:43

a fan of it. I

34:45

think the seating is the

34:47

seating is the issue. I

34:50

love having 12 teams in.

34:52

If you had to do like Jeremiah

34:54

Smith to throw it to, what would

34:56

your conversations to the offensive coordinator, Chip

34:59

Kelly, and your head coach, be at

35:01

this point? Hey, where do he, where

35:03

would he be? Over there somewhere? Okay,

35:05

I'll throw it over there. It would

35:07

be that simple. It'd be that simple.

35:09

I don't, I just put it in,

35:11

a guy like that, you put it

35:13

in his area. You don't have to

35:16

be as, unfortunately, you don't have to

35:18

be as accurate. Even sometimes where you

35:20

see the quarterback maybe a little bit

35:22

late a half a step because he

35:24

had to move in a pocket He

35:26

just give that guy a chance and

35:28

he usually make him plays I go

35:30

back to the second quarter of the

35:32

game versus organ in the Rose Bowl

35:35

Where will make some things happen and

35:37

the defensive back? It was a high

35:39

low read the defensive back thought he

35:41

baited will into throwing the low I

35:43

mean the high corner and Jeremiah Smith

35:45

went up over both of them in

35:47

a defensive back was in such great

35:49

position He just knew he made a

35:51

great play didn't even see if Jeremiah

35:54

Smith called the ball or not, but

35:56

he'd get up doing this. Like, yeah,

35:58

I stopped him, I stopped him. And

36:00

he looked up Jeremiah Smith doing this

36:02

like first down. That's the type of

36:04

comfortability that will in this office. and

36:06

Chip Kelly Rinde has in this young,

36:08

unbelievable player. Having a player like that,

36:10

Cardell, when we had Mike Thomas, by

36:13

the end of his career, became that

36:15

kind of a player. He became that

36:17

guy that if you singled up Mike,

36:19

we gave, you know, I remember distinctly

36:21

that we would have a run play

36:23

called, however, if you got single coverage,

36:25

go up, go up top with them.

36:27

And we did, we threw one down

36:29

field against some wolf reins. I can't

36:32

remember what year that was. But. I

36:34

can imagine, I have not talked to

36:36

Coach Day or Coach Kelly about this,

36:38

but I imagine that's just building the

36:40

offense and you've been a part of

36:42

offenses, if you are defending a player

36:44

like that, that not only opens up,

36:46

I mean that obviously you get single

36:49

coverage, but the entire defense knows where

36:51

number four is. That's going to open

36:53

up other things and I'm starting to

36:55

see other things open up with the

36:57

Ohio State offense because Jeremiah Smith has

36:59

always been great, he's taken it to

37:01

a next level. Yeah, talk to talk

37:03

to the very little bit about as

37:05

a quarterback when you have a player

37:08

like that it opens up other things

37:10

not just Obviously Jeremiah Smith. Yeah, it

37:12

opened up so many different things and

37:14

I totally agree with you that comparison

37:16

Mike Thomas when he got into that

37:18

late year to year three of his

37:20

career and so far where he became

37:22

a guy that Just put it in

37:24

his area and Jeremiah Smith. It's clearly

37:27

that guy right now and I look

37:29

at last year with Marvin Harrison Jr

37:31

when he had games where people thought

37:33

like he was shut down or he

37:35

was quiet. No, he forces you and

37:37

Jeremiah Smith is already doing that at

37:39

a very young age and part of

37:41

his career. He forces you to have

37:43

so much attention on him where it's

37:46

looked like he have no impact on

37:48

his game plan, but it's opening up

37:50

so much stuff in the running game

37:52

or other guys getting an opportunity to

37:54

get open because that's the unique part

37:56

about Ohio State. You know, they got

37:58

potentially two, two, three, maybe even four

38:00

first round receivers. in that room right

38:03

now. So when you start to focus

38:05

more in, you know, detail on Jeremiah

38:07

Smith, we saw Mecca Booker run down

38:09

the middle of the field. a few

38:11

times and get loose and we saw

38:13

some plays by carnal take in the

38:15

passing game as well and then you

38:17

focus so much on this guy you

38:19

forget about the two great running backs

38:22

who's going to also put a lot

38:24

of pressure on your defense so when

38:26

you have a guy like that it's

38:28

really not so much about game planning

38:30

for him because you know he's going

38:32

to get his touches and you see

38:34

everything they do with him from the

38:36

reverses to the bringing him into behind

38:38

a line of scrimmage and throwing him

38:41

ball out the back field he just

38:43

a player is hard to defend for.

38:45

Let's talk about the lunatic fringe in

38:47

Columbus and nationwide, that Ohio State Buckeye

38:49

fan base, that frankly a lot of

38:51

programs wish they had, right? And after

38:53

the Rose Bowl game, Cardinal, you sent

38:55

out a note, the apologies from the

38:57

fake Buckeye fans need to be just

39:00

as loud as the hate that they

39:02

sent out. Describe to me what it's

39:04

like living in Columbus being the quarterback

39:06

and what exactly is going on with

39:08

that lunatic fringe these passionate fans right

39:10

now with the Ohio State. Yeah you

39:12

know I would call them more passionate

39:14

and I think Ohio State has put

39:17

themselves in a position traditionally and Coach

39:19

Meyer can attest for this that the

39:21

expectation is like none other around you

39:23

know, college football and you know, I

39:25

will argue being a head coach at

39:27

Ohio State and then the quarterback is

39:29

probably the second and third most powerful

39:31

positions in the whole state behind the

39:33

governor when it comes to just Donorati

39:36

and then the fact that you can

39:38

have on other people with your performance.

39:40

Who's the governor of Ohio right now?

39:42

Governor Dwight. Oh, all right. All right.

39:44

You got that answer fast. But. if

39:46

I don't know how they put this

39:48

thing off in the next, you know,

39:50

two and a half, three weeks and

39:52

maybe governor day. So, but when you

39:55

look at that, I mean, I think

39:57

it's all just based off the tradition

39:59

rich history we have here of not

40:01

just winning up together. and then the

40:03

expectations. It's extremely high here. And I

40:05

think Ryan and this whole team has

40:07

kind of, you know, got the back

40:09

end of that because they're replacing, like

40:11

we say all the time, you don't

40:14

want to be replacing the guys. So

40:16

when you're replacing the guy who won

40:18

a national championship and 7-0 versus team

40:20

of North and all those things, you

40:22

know, people expect you to have no

40:24

drop-off in performance or anything like that.

40:26

You look at the quarterback. transition. And

40:28

I remember when a Buckeye fan was

40:30

calling for CJ's child job after his

40:33

first game versus Minnesota. And this guy

40:35

going to be a top two pick

40:37

and saying for Justin and the same

40:39

for Duane and things like that. So

40:41

we've been spoiled with great coaches and

40:43

great players where we want to see

40:45

a 59 and zero game every game.

40:47

And we know that's not the reality

40:50

of college sports because You know, you

40:52

have a lot of great teams around

40:54

college football and we all fighting for

40:56

the same thing. Look at you bringing

40:58

up a 59-0 score line. I don't

41:00

know, maybe a Big Ten championship game

41:02

versus Wisconsin in a certain season with

41:04

a certain quarterback at the helm. So

41:06

I got your cardel. So I talked

41:09

to the viewer about because only a

41:11

small handful of people that have ever

41:13

walked the planet can explain to what

41:15

it feels like when you walk into

41:17

one of those grand stages. And I

41:19

remember I normally don't even really pay

41:21

attention. It kind of I caught myself

41:23

not hyperventilating but I kind of lost

41:25

my breath and I walked in. I

41:28

was like, holy, this is where we're

41:30

here. It takes your, you know, it

41:32

did. And I remember here I am

41:34

with Cardell Jones. First of all, the

41:36

first one is the Big Ten Championship

41:38

and that is a great stage. But

41:40

you know what really took my breath

41:42

away is the Louisiana Superdome down there.

41:44

Me and you walked in that and

41:47

we're playing the mighty Alabama crimson tide.

41:49

And you're my quarterback and I remember

41:51

it just kind of was one of

41:53

those moments that you have to really

41:55

concentrate and people might say you're nuts

41:57

when I say this I had to

41:59

concentrate on breathing on to keep in my

42:02

mind focused because I grew

42:04

up as a football fan. I'm like,

42:06

wait a minute, we're really here. Talk

42:08

to a view about a starting

42:10

quarterback walking into the

42:12

grand stage. It's unbelievable. And

42:15

it's hard to explain any

42:17

other feelings you're trying to

42:19

explain yourself. The stadiums are

42:22

amazing. The fan bases are

42:24

passionate. Everything you have worked

42:26

for is right in front

42:29

of you. I mean, it's not a lot

42:31

of times where we can say, okay, now

42:33

finally, if I just complete this last

42:35

task, I can grab the go. I can

42:37

literally just grab it. Usually we said go

42:40

so far away. It's hard to stay focused.

42:42

And we talked about this a lot, being

42:44

a part of, you know, the bakas for

42:46

four years. And I said a lot, like,

42:48

you know, we were so clear on the

42:50

goal, but it's hard to stay clear on

42:53

that go when, you know, you know, January

42:55

14th and we don't play for another nine

42:57

and a half months and we're saying hey

42:59

guys we got to get ready for next

43:01

January 10th you're like okay yeah

43:03

that's the go but is I'm really

43:05

gonna how close I'm gonna get to

43:08

this goal right now February 13th on

43:10

freaking same Valentine Day massacre workout you

43:12

know my really getting into that go

43:14

so walking into those stadiums in an

43:16

environment you're like holy crap like

43:18

it's right here it's right across this lines

43:20

like in 60 minutes I'm either going to

43:23

achieve that go, I'm going to come up

43:25

a little short. And all of those

43:27

emotions come into play. All of that

43:29

feeling of like, man, look at all

43:32

these things I've done to this

43:34

point. And I don't think for

43:36

me personally winning the national championship

43:38

was my greatest accomplishment

43:41

as an individual player. Because when

43:43

we got on that stage, when

43:45

we got in that moment, it

43:47

was the journey, that's what I

43:49

reflected on. You know, and I don't

43:52

want to sound so extreme hearing intents,

43:54

but you know, people say like my

43:56

life flashed before my eyes, my

43:58

journey just flashed like. It was almost

44:00

at a point where I was like,

44:02

you'll be a fool to let this

44:05

thing slip away from everything you guys

44:07

have put into this point to get

44:09

to here. Now you're here, finish the

44:11

job. Wow. What similarities, what differences do

44:13

you see from your team that won

44:15

the last national title for Ohio State

44:18

in this program that's sitting two wins

44:20

away from doing it again? Similarities, I

44:22

think, just the togetherness, I think, just

44:24

the selflessness is the biggest thing I

44:26

see with this team. You know, usually,

44:28

you know, during my sleep, we've been

44:31

talking about this guy, you know, all

44:33

show and pretty much for the second

44:35

half of this season so far, and

44:37

they have so many other great players

44:39

who could easily be start caliber guys

44:41

on other teams, but they play their

44:44

roles. I mean, Carnell Tate Brennan and

44:46

his Mecca, Buka, coming back for his

44:48

final year, like these guys could have

44:50

1000, 1, 1,200, 1, 1,000 yards at

44:52

other universities, but they here and they

44:54

here and they stayed. to ultimately achieve

44:57

the goal. And I've been sent on

44:59

record before the season even started. This

45:01

is to me the most talented team

45:03

on Paper Ohio State has ever had.

45:05

And they're going to go down as

45:07

one of the most talented teams in

45:10

college football period. And, you know, clearly

45:12

they got to put it all together

45:14

to start to earn some of those

45:16

accolades. And we're seeing when they do.

45:18

I mean, no one I don't think

45:20

can really compete with these guys on

45:23

a high level. So I think when

45:25

it comes to the selflessness, from our

45:27

2014 team with this team. You know,

45:29

unfortunately for my 2014 team, I love

45:31

these guys to death, but I think

45:33

this team is a lot more talented,

45:36

you know, and hopefully they get it

45:38

done here next few weeks. One last

45:40

question for me, Cardell, is this, that

45:42

Jeremiah Smith, if the draft was tomorrow,

45:44

I think most people would say he's

45:46

the number one overall pick, arguably the

45:49

greatest player, you know. I always compare

45:51

Percy Harvey because he's the greatest player

45:53

I've ever been around. Should he be

45:55

able to leave or you got NIL

45:57

now you got transfer portal and I'm

45:59

going to give you my quick two

46:02

cents and let you run out it

46:04

because I'm really The problem if they

46:06

open that door that's Pandora's box and

46:08

there's a lot of players that will

46:10

get suckered into leaving early and give

46:12

up on an education career and development

46:15

Should Jeremiah Smith be able to leave

46:17

now? You know what because of everything

46:19

you just mentioned with the education and

46:21

development side of things I would say

46:23

no Just because this is still, you

46:25

know, you're going from playing with, you

46:28

know, kids for the most part, what,

46:30

12 months to go into high school

46:32

and say he's going to be ready

46:34

in 16 months to play with grown

46:36

men who feed in their family, work

46:38

this stuff. You know, we haven't seen

46:41

a German Smith in college. And this

46:43

is no knock on him because I

46:45

think he's going to be extremely, he's,

46:47

I already said it, he's going to

46:49

go down. He's one of the best

46:51

players. the whole NCAA has mentioned. But

46:54

it's some Jeremiah Smiths in at the

46:56

next level. You don't see it as

46:58

much and that's on dominant level because

47:00

they're going against Jeremiah Smith on the

47:02

other side of the ball from them.

47:04

So, but even with Jeremiah Smith, when

47:07

he's going against other first round talented

47:09

guys, he's going to have an opportunity

47:11

to go against the thought winner, you

47:13

know, here in about eight days, he's

47:15

still performing at a high level. But

47:17

I think just the, he can continue,

47:20

we can always continue to get better.

47:22

I think it's still so many things

47:24

that he can learn. I mean, when

47:26

you talk about mature level though, he's

47:28

off the chart. When you talk about

47:30

the playing level, he's off the chart.

47:33

But you don't want to say, hey,

47:35

I think off one small sappel side

47:37

of one year where we see from

47:39

him that he should be able to

47:41

play with top players and the best

47:43

players in the world. That's one thing

47:46

people don't really understand. And I feel

47:48

recruit all around the world, right, not

47:50

just in this country. I still think

47:52

the three-year rule is kind of great

47:54

for a lot of guys, but if

47:56

he was my kid, I'm laying out

47:59

right now. I don't know if he's playing

48:01

his third year in college. I don't think he

48:03

needed. You know, I think he pulled some type

48:05

of Jamar Chase where, you know, I know it

48:07

was COVID year and LSU was going through some

48:09

things his third year before he was draft eligible,

48:11

but we see it worked out for him and

48:13

other guys who didn't play their third year just

48:15

getting to that three years out of high school

48:17

so they can be draft eligible. Hey coach, your

48:19

former QB's got. He's got the gift of

48:21

Gab then. He's not bad at this little. I

48:23

got an idea. I got an idea. He's not

48:26

bad chatting into this microphone thing, man. You might

48:28

have a future in this, my friend. But you

48:30

know, part of this, part of this business over

48:32

here, it's, you know, it's listening, it's

48:35

talking, but it's also asking, asking some questions.

48:37

So every once in a while, we like

48:39

to let our guests fire off a question

48:41

at us. So you can ask me a

48:43

question if you question if you want, but I,

48:45

but I. pretty confident it's going to be

48:47

the guy in the other corner over

48:49

there. So you get a question of

48:51

fire at myself or Coach Meyer right

48:54

now? Oh, perfect. And I appreciate the

48:56

opportunity guys. It's always been great catching

48:58

up with you guys. And yeah, I

49:00

think I'm going to take Coach Meyer

49:02

and put him in a hot seat

49:04

a little bit here. Let's go. I

49:06

think when you look at the coaching

49:08

staff here at Ohio State, now

49:10

on the Ryan day and all

49:12

the back and forth and all

49:14

the chirping that they've been. under

49:16

a lot of scrutiny over the

49:18

last two years when it came

49:20

to recruiting and developing guys. What

49:22

do you see the biggest difference

49:25

between the staff you had versus

49:27

the staff that Coach Day has

49:29

assembled? Oh, that's a tough

49:31

one. I'm trying to go back

49:33

here. I see an elite defensive

49:36

coaching staff that is excellent. Even

49:38

when the offensive time has

49:40

struggled, their defense has been

49:43

really good. I'm trying

49:45

to, that's a good question, I'm trying

49:47

to compare him. So we had Tom

49:49

Herman and we had Luke Fickle and

49:51

Chris Ash on defense. I thought Tom

49:53

Herman, you know, that was excellent.

49:56

Especially, you know, we go through

49:58

Braxton and J.T. Barrett than you. I

50:00

think it's very similar. I think there's

50:02

alignment. I have not been around the

50:04

woody as much just because I'm traveling

50:06

so much. But the one thing that

50:08

has always intrigued me about the great

50:11

coaching staffs is not just coaching talent,

50:13

it's the alignment from A to Z.

50:15

And right now I'm seeing that at

50:17

Ohio State. You got the one big

50:19

blemish and that's the one against the

50:21

Wolverines where I was there. I think

50:23

you were probably there too and I

50:26

just did not compute what happened. I

50:28

didn't see the energy on the sideline.

50:30

I saw the offense line get pushed

50:32

around and then I see what's going

50:34

on now. So whatever adjustments they made,

50:36

I see very similar to answer your

50:38

question between the 2014 and 2024 coaching

50:41

staff and the number one thing I

50:43

see is alignment. Yeah, I agree, totally

50:45

agree. And I love the way that

50:47

Ryan and his staff makes those adjustments.

50:49

You can tell the staff is really

50:51

good at. self-scouting was something that you

50:54

was big on and and that's a

50:56

lot of simulators that came up from

50:58

me and is how they operate and

51:00

just how he put that ownership on

51:02

those unit leaders to really get their

51:04

guys to go you know I hear

51:06

that term when I'm around him a

51:09

little bit get your guys to go

51:11

get your guys to go and it

51:13

just put me back in that mindset

51:15

of being you know in the helmet

51:17

at the shoe of or you know

51:19

over at the woody when uh getting

51:21

ready for practice so. You should have

51:24

your own podcast, Cardell. We'll see, man.

51:26

We shall see, man. I don't know

51:28

if I'll be good as you guys,

51:30

but we shall see. You're gonna be

51:32

just fine, my friend. We're not worrying

51:34

about you. Every time we come to

51:37

Columbus with big new kickoff, you're like

51:39

one of the first people we call.

51:41

Get them on over there, man. Bring

51:43

12-Gajan over here. Let's enjoy the conversation.

51:45

Hey, man, happy new year. Glad you

51:47

enjoyed your trip to Pasadena. I'm sure

51:49

you're booking that flight to Big D

51:52

right now as the Buck guys move

51:54

on to the national playoff semi-final showdown

51:56

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semi final game Notre Dame a favorite

52:28

coach by one and a half points

52:30

over Penn State in the orange bowl.

52:32

Remember though, Penn State with two more

52:35

days of rest over Notre Dame because

52:37

of the delay of the sugar bowl

52:39

and the fact that Penn State played

52:41

on New Year's Eve. So Penn State

52:43

with essentially 48 hours more of rest

52:45

and recuperation time compared to what Notre

52:47

Dame is, but it's the Irish coach

52:50

in Miami favored by a point and

52:52

a half, two blue bloods. Love to

52:54

see that again. Yeah, and I'm looking

52:56

at the, you know, can you imagine

52:58

this is what's happened? And if I'm

53:00

the coach at either one of these

53:02

places, I might head down to Miami

53:05

a little early. Notre Dame, it feels

53:07

like five degrees. You can go indoors,

53:09

but the game's gonna be played outside.

53:11

So I bet there's some conversations right

53:13

now with Penn State and Notre Dame,

53:15

go down a couple three days early

53:18

and get out, get outside, because there

53:20

is a difference. You want your team

53:22

to practice in those game-like conditions. You

53:24

know, the pick six, my gosh, or

53:26

to pick this game. I'm staring at

53:28

this thing and I'm not sure I'm

53:30

prepared to do that yet. I know,

53:33

I want to buy a little time

53:35

here because if Notre Dame plays like

53:37

they played, they went. I think it's

53:39

going to be, I think once again,

53:41

Vegas is all over this. I put

53:43

zero, I put it even. Notre Dame

53:45

versus Penn State. We've saw Penn State

53:48

so many times this year. That is

53:50

a great football team. I still don't

53:52

see the skill on the outside that

53:54

normally Penn State has, but I see

53:56

the arguably one of the best tight

53:58

ends that I've seen playing the Big

54:00

Ten conference. Tyler Warren and then. And

54:03

that defense, you know, I do, you

54:05

know, he's got to play, I can

54:07

imagine. I'm going to throw a name

54:09

out to you, Bo Prabula, what's going

54:11

through his heart right now. He's stepped

54:13

away from the program and we don't

54:16

know. He's gutted, he's sick. I mean,

54:18

because Penn State's got a chance to

54:20

go play for a national title. That

54:22

changes who you are, that changes your

54:24

makeup, for the rest of your life,

54:26

your children, your grandchildren will talk about

54:28

your father would have played for a

54:31

national title. I know we got to

54:33

move on, but that will change. And

54:35

you can look around this house and

54:37

any people, friends, you know, you got

54:39

your family pictures, anyone else, you got

54:41

pictures of that. When you and a

54:43

team go find a way to compete

54:46

and play for a championship and find

54:48

a way to win that thing. So

54:50

two excellent coaches, you know, James Franklin

54:52

still has been beat up about his

54:54

win. against the top opponents. They beat

54:56

SME and Boise State if he loses

54:59

that one that will continue because in

55:01

people's minds that they had the easiest

55:03

path to the championship with Marcus Freeman

55:05

that that's not a question of what

55:07

he did against Georgia. So I got

55:09

this as a pick' them. I see

55:11

right now if Notre Dame plays the

55:14

way they did that, they'll be Penn

55:16

State. So Penn State, they took care

55:18

of SMU at home by 28 points,

55:20

17 better than Boise State. As you

55:22

mentioned, the easier path of all the

55:24

other four semi-finalist teams. And there will

55:26

still be that conversation that Jane Franklin

55:29

hasn't won a big one, even though

55:31

they are there in the semi-finals, because

55:33

of that path. But if you get

55:35

by Notre Dame, I think we can

55:37

start pushing down those conversations right now.

55:39

Right. You can see right below that

55:42

says the last time they won a

55:44

championship, either. Fantastic programs with incredible history.

55:46

The 80s, 86 for Penn State and

55:48

88 for Notre Dame. And here we

55:50

are again and one of them will

55:52

be playing for it. Big question, Abdul

55:54

Carter, the Big Ten defensive player there.

55:57

Will he be available for Penn State?

55:59

Yeah, left early. That's a difference maker.

56:01

Left early in the quarter, final win

56:03

didn't return in the second half. He

56:05

did go to social media because that's

56:07

what people do these days and sent

56:09

out a cool little Darth Vader tweet

56:12

that basically kind of alluded to the

56:14

fact that he's coming back. I think we

56:16

would expect to see him. Drew Allen has

56:18

been really impressive through the course of the

56:20

playoffs. You go back to the last game

56:23

against Boise State. All three of his touchdown

56:25

passes. went for at least 10 yards. So

56:27

he's starting to open up that game a

56:29

little bit more. Maybe he's getting more comfortable

56:31

with the Whiteouts that have been the line

56:34

for much of the season outside of Tyler

56:36

Warren, a guy we have great respect for

56:38

and is one of the best tight ends.

56:40

That's out there. 13.8 yards per pass attempt

56:42

from Drew Aller here so far through

56:45

the playoffs. Again, the competition has been

56:47

SMU Boise State. That Notre Dame defense

56:49

has been absolutely elite. We talked about.

56:51

what Al Golden has brought to them.

56:54

But again, the offense still hasn't

56:56

been great. You know, Jeremiah Love

56:58

really didn't do anything for Notre

57:00

Dame in that quarter final win.

57:02

It was all the legs of

57:04

Leonard. I tell you what, I like Penn State

57:06

in this one coach. I like Penn

57:08

State to win it by three, maybe

57:10

a little bit of a walk-off field

57:12

goal in that type of situation. Go

57:14

back to Notre Dame and you made a

57:16

great point. That's why you should

57:18

be the analyst and I shouldn't do

57:20

this that's that was excellent

57:22

where you said That the Notre Dame

57:25

offense did not really win that game

57:27

You thought about that 54-second. I believe

57:29

you called it window where there was

57:31

a turnover a shortfield They found a

57:34

way to score. Yep, and then a

57:36

kickoff return and then they extended

57:38

to drive on that on the shifting

57:40

of personnel. So I'm gonna I'm going

57:42

to ride with Notre Dame again on an extremely

57:45

close game, but I'm with you. I see Penn

57:47

State. I think there should be a zero zero

57:49

point spread. And again, it's a one and

57:51

a half point. Absolutely. Notre Dame, though, favored

57:53

by one and a half points, you

57:55

know that Notre Dame fan base is

57:57

going to travel. You've been looking at.

58:00

at that weather app all show. They're like, well,

58:02

wait, what's in Miami? Let's get our tails

58:04

down to Miami. Penn State now, this is gonna

58:06

be, I mean, the same with their crowd.

58:08

I mean, my God. Oh, for sure. This is

58:10

gonna be, I'll be there too. I can't

58:12

wait to see this thing. You know what's interesting

58:14

though, coach? I know you live in Florida

58:16

and I used to work in the Tampa market

58:18

and Florida is a huge distraction. I

58:20

remember when NHL teams would come

58:22

down to whether it was the Miami

58:25

or the Tampa Bay area and

58:27

those players, you know what they did?

58:29

And again, these are professional players

58:31

and they're not babysat to the degree

58:33

that college football players are, but

58:35

they're out playing golf, man. They're out

58:37

doing the Florida thing. They're out

58:40

being distracted by going to the beach

58:42

and the pool and walking around.

58:44

And sometimes Florida can distract you, right?

58:46

With all the options that are

58:48

out there and it's a bit of

58:50

a home field advantage, whether it's

58:52

football or baseball or basketball or hockey.

58:55

It'll be interesting to see which

58:57

one of those programs from the North,

58:59

from the cold can manage, can

59:01

manage the distractions of the great state

59:03

of Florida. All right, so I'm

59:05

going Penn State. I'm going Penn State,

59:07

they're gonna win it. That's Thursday,

59:10

semi -final, number one. Semi -final, number two.

59:12

Just the fourth ever meeting between

59:14

Texas and Ohio State, Texas with the

59:16

two one advantage. Remember there was

59:18

that home and away schedule back in

59:20

05 and 06 where both programs

59:22

won on the road. Texas will clearly

59:25

at least regionally be the home

59:27

team, Austin 200 miles away from Arlington

59:29

and Texas playing in their first

59:31

Cotton Bowl in 22 years. But it's

59:33

the Buckeyes who are sitting there

59:35

and they may be the road team,

59:37

but the Buckeyes are favored coach

59:40

by six and a half. Feels maybe

59:42

a little big. It's teasing you

59:44

with that touchdown, isn't it? So the

59:46

Buckeyes coach in the Cotton Bowl

59:48

favored by six and a half. Yeah,

59:50

if teammate, we talked about George,

59:52

if teammate shows up, this will be

59:55

a wrap. Ohio State will lift

59:57

the gold trophy if they're best players.

1:00:00

the best roster in the country

1:00:02

plays like the best roster in

1:00:04

the country there'll be a national champs

1:00:06

and in a few weeks and we're

1:00:08

witnessing it I witnessed it in in person

1:00:10

the last two weeks and it's not you

1:00:13

know they took Tennessee and it was I

1:00:15

stood right there and it wasn't even Rob

1:00:17

and I say it wasn't even close was

1:00:19

not close. 25. win 42 17 it was

1:00:21

worse than that in person and then

1:00:23

the game against Oregon it was much

1:00:25

worse in person you know I just

1:00:28

once again standing and watching it and

1:00:30

you know Oregon number one team in

1:00:32

the country after the wolf ring

1:00:34

game I actually said Oregon to win

1:00:36

the national title because my

1:00:39

understanding is Ohio State

1:00:41

simplified things with the offense line

1:00:43

that's the one area that has

1:00:45

struggled every player in Ohio State

1:00:47

will be playing in the national football

1:00:50

every player you know the offense

1:00:52

line maybe you know there might be a

1:00:54

a player too that won't play, but I'm

1:00:56

sure they'll be at a roster. But every

1:00:58

skill player on Ohio State will

1:01:00

be, I think, playing substantially in

1:01:03

the National Football League. That's how

1:01:05

good they are. Texas' strength

1:01:07

is that defense a line, the best

1:01:10

defense a line in college football, going

1:01:12

against an Ohio State offense

1:01:14

line. Last time Ohio State

1:01:16

played a defensive personnel like

1:01:18

that was the Wolverines. There are

1:01:20

two inside guys. That's the reason

1:01:23

I think this will be a close game

1:01:25

is I think the defense align of Texas

1:01:27

Longhorns will keep this thing close

1:01:29

because I think the skill if they if they

1:01:32

Chip Kelly is in a bit of rhythm last

1:01:34

two weeks you know all that conservative

1:01:36

non-creativity and not getting

1:01:38

your best players the ball

1:01:40

the criticism but that by the

1:01:42

way was justifiable against Wolverines is

1:01:45

not there anymore the last

1:01:47

two weeks unbelievable Yeah, that Wolverine game

1:01:49

a bit of a blueprint for Texas. I'm

1:01:51

sure Sark and his staff are going to

1:01:54

go back to that game and say, what

1:01:56

did Michigan do? But the one thing that

1:01:58

Ohio State's done, if you really. really

1:02:00

study what they have done. They've

1:02:02

taken the ball out of between

1:02:04

the tackles and they're playing a

1:02:06

perimeter game. They're throwing it all

1:02:08

over the lot and they're also

1:02:10

playing the game C-gap wider. A-B-gapper

1:02:13

the inside plays and for some

1:02:15

reason that was a big part

1:02:17

of the game playing in Wolverines

1:02:19

in mismatches. So you know what

1:02:21

watched for Ohio State to can

1:02:23

C-gap wider is what they've done

1:02:25

in the run game and obviously

1:02:27

the throw game. and they have

1:02:29

started strong and they've started aggressively

1:02:32

take a look at the first

1:02:34

quarter numbers from their two playoff

1:02:36

games up 21 nothing at the

1:02:38

end of the first quarter against

1:02:40

Tennessee up 14 nothing and it

1:02:42

probably felt bigger than that against

1:02:44

Oregon so with 35 to zero

1:02:46

advantage in the first quarter of

1:02:49

the two playoff games for Ohio

1:02:51

State a couple interesting wrinkles to

1:02:53

this one coach besides you know

1:02:55

the proximity to Austin but these

1:02:57

two teams. are going to start

1:02:59

the regular season next year, Saturday,

1:03:01

August 30th in Columbus. So the

1:03:03

loser of this team, it's going

1:03:06

to have back-to-back games against the

1:03:08

opposition in the semi-final. And let's

1:03:10

not forget where Quinn Ewers started

1:03:12

his college football career. Remember one

1:03:14

of the top prospects back in

1:03:16

2022 committed to Texas. and then

1:03:18

flipped a couple months later to

1:03:20

Ohio State but at Ohio State

1:03:22

he was essentially third string took

1:03:25

just two snaps all season long

1:03:27

as a freshman he had that

1:03:29

mullet kind of flowing out of

1:03:31

his hair and you know a

1:03:33

Texas guy that never maybe really

1:03:35

seemed to fit there in Columbus

1:03:37

and then he transfers to Texas

1:03:39

he's been a starter there for

1:03:42

three years but you know when

1:03:44

it's when it's Ohio State Michigan

1:03:46

week Or actually, remember this one,

1:03:48

remember when Texas was at Michigan

1:03:50

this year, coach? I think that

1:03:52

was week two of the regular

1:03:54

season. Quinn Ewers knew how not

1:03:56

to refer to Michigan. It wasn't

1:03:58

Michigan, it was. That team up north

1:04:01

and that stayed with quiniers that cracked

1:04:03

me up. I I really appreciated I

1:04:05

got to add one thing to as

1:04:07

since we're talking about this game is

1:04:09

Jeremiah Smith Next level dude. I made

1:04:11

a comment. Can you throw the ball a guy

1:04:13

to I never have? I had a guy like

1:04:16

Percy Harvin I probably should have thrown to him

1:04:18

more What if you just threw the ball to

1:04:20

that cat 25 times in a game? I mean

1:04:22

he's to witness what he's done the last

1:04:24

two weeks now I will go back

1:04:26

and get against the Wolverines You can blame

1:04:28

the quarterback, you can blame the

1:04:31

offense line. The receivers did not

1:04:33

play great. It'll have stayed that day.

1:04:35

Now maybe it was the defensive system

1:04:37

or the way they rolled up and

1:04:39

they played the coverage. They dared. What

1:04:41

the Wolverines did is they played a

1:04:43

lot of too high and doubled the

1:04:45

receivers and dared the Buckeyes to run

1:04:47

the ball and then they dominated

1:04:49

them up front. So we'll see if that's

1:04:51

the same type of game plan that Texas

1:04:54

uses. My guess is

1:04:56

they're going to pay a little

1:04:58

bit more attention to Jeremiah Smith.

1:05:00

You lead number four by yourself. I'm

1:05:02

sure that's part of the offense. If

1:05:04

he's by himself, I don't care for

1:05:06

runs, call, take that shot. I was

1:05:09

looking at some of the numbers

1:05:11

for Smith through the quarterfinals. When

1:05:13

the score line was 24 nothing, Smith

1:05:15

at that point, five grabs, 161 yards

1:05:17

and two touchdowns over the course of

1:05:19

the game seven for 187 in those

1:05:22

two touchdowns. This is a 19-year-old cat

1:05:24

coach. Coach. that still has two

1:05:26

more years less left of

1:05:29

college football eligibility. And you

1:05:31

know, just think if we were in

1:05:33

any other profession in the sporting

1:05:35

world, he's one and done if

1:05:37

he even shows up, if he even

1:05:39

has to go to college. I mean, he's

1:05:41

a dude that could have gone right to

1:05:43

the NFL from high school. Yeah,

1:05:46

I got very strong feelings about

1:05:48

this. Number one is I've seen.

1:05:50

I want to say Jaylon Smith was

1:05:52

a player at Notre Dame get hurt

1:05:55

in the bowl game and his career

1:05:57

was altered. We played him in the

1:05:59

Fiest Bowl. I do understand as much

1:06:01

as it, it's hard to even get

1:06:03

your mind around a player that would

1:06:05

not play a bowl game, a player

1:06:07

that would, you know, with Cam Ward,

1:06:10

we saw him walk away at half

1:06:12

time of a game. And as much

1:06:14

as that does not compute, I did

1:06:16

see what I saw from that linebacker,

1:06:18

no, Jeremiah Smith is certainly a number

1:06:20

one pick, but if we open the

1:06:23

doors, there's a lot of bad guys

1:06:25

out there that I don't want to

1:06:27

just say agents, but there's people that

1:06:29

will start. You'll see a flood of

1:06:31

people possibly, even though the NIL now

1:06:33

are keeping guys. I just like the

1:06:35

rule. Maurice Claret, a friend of mine,

1:06:38

and obviously he's back involved in Ohio

1:06:40

State. He's the one that, memory to

1:06:42

challenge that after the 2000. two national

1:06:44

title, he said, I want to go

1:06:46

to the NFL and they fought it

1:06:48

in the courts and he lost. So

1:06:50

does Jeremiah Smith, if he wants a

1:06:53

chance, go to the NFL, deserve it,

1:06:55

but I just worry, if you change

1:06:57

that rule, a lot of people will

1:06:59

get hurt. There'll be people going to

1:07:01

the NFL, they should not be going

1:07:03

the NFL. Before they're ready, before they're,

1:07:05

listen, there's not a lot of Jeremiah

1:07:08

Smiths out there. So Bet, MGMm, wants

1:07:10

to know, Coach, Ohio State favored, favored,

1:07:12

favored, favored, favored by six and favored

1:07:14

by six and a favor by six

1:07:16

and a favor by six and a,

1:07:19

I think the way they're playing right

1:07:21

now, the confidence level, I see them

1:07:23

covering that spread. I think it'll be

1:07:25

a good game for the three quarters

1:07:28

and I think they'll win by a

1:07:30

score in the fourth quarter. Yep, I

1:07:32

agree with you. I think Buckeyes by

1:07:34

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