0:00

We live in a world where we are supposed to celebrate

0:02

men who put lipstick on

0:04

and call themselves women. Doesn't

0:06

make sense. I mean, how can a woman have

0:09

a panis? How can men give birth

0:11

when they're not wired that way? When God didn't

0:14

make them that way. But we're told to just shut

0:16

up and accept this clown world that

0:18

we live in. You're a bigot if you speak out, you're

0:20

transphobic. If you speak out, shut up.

0:22

There's this intentional blurring of the lines

0:25

between truth and

0:27

lies, a distortion of the facts, intentionally

0:29

a blurring of the lines between what's right and wrong.

0:32

They want us to live in a chaotic world where

0:34

anything goes and anything goes society, a

0:36

society that allows evil to thrive in.

0:38

I won't accept it. I refuse. That's

0:41

not the world that I want to live in. That's not the world I want

0:43

to raise kids in. That's not a world where that

0:45

even allows for common sense to exist.

0:47

And we need more people who will speak

0:50

out. We need to celebrate people who are

0:52

willing to speak out. And one of those people is Riley

0:54

Gaines. She's a former University of Kentucky

0:57

swimming star who was a twelve

0:59

time All American and a five time

1:01

SEC champion. It's pretty incredible.

1:03

She had a swim against Leah Thomas, who's

1:05

a man. How is that fair and how

1:08

is it brave to celebrate a six foot

1:10

one man competing against women

1:12

in sports? Where's the bravery in that? And

1:15

why hasn't the NCAA stood up for female

1:17

athletes, where the older generation of

1:19

women athletes standing up for the younger

1:21

generation. Why does this twenty two year

1:23

old have to do it. But we're fortunate to have

1:26

Riley Gaines on this show because she is

1:28

brave, she is courageous, and

1:30

she is blazing a path for younger generations

1:33

to live in a fair and just world

1:36

with common sense. Stay tuned

1:38

for Riley Gaines. Riley,

1:45

I really appreciate you joining the show. I

1:48

think you're tremendously brave, and

1:50

you know, we need young people like you speaking

1:52

out because we need to have younger

1:55

generations influence and I think it's going to

1:57

take young people to do it. So I really appreciate what you're

1:59

doing, of course, and I totally agree with

2:01

you, and just thank you for giving me the

2:03

opportunity and the platform to continue

2:05

speaking out. Are you ever just like, where

2:08

are the older people? You know? Why do I, as a

2:10

young person, have to take on this role? Absolutely?

2:14

When I first initially started speaking out

2:16

last year after our inc doable A Championships,

2:20

I was truly looking for

2:22

a coach to say something, or

2:24

someone with political power, or

2:26

someone within the NC double A. I

2:29

thought it needed to come from them, until

2:31

it kind of hit me that if

2:34

we as female athletes aren't willing to stick

2:36

up for ourselves, how can we expect someone

2:38

else to stick up for us? And so

2:40

I understand, I understand that it has to come

2:42

from female athletes, but I think it's

2:44

truly crazy. You know, I'm

2:46

only twenty two years old, and I've been exposed

2:50

and thrust it into this position where I

2:53

never felt fully equipped for. I still don't feel

2:56

fully equipped for. And so it is a

2:58

bit mind boggling that one there's

3:00

not more people my age speaking out in two

3:03

the older generation, the generation that fought relentlessly

3:05

for title nine, and of course

3:07

the Me Too movement. Where are all these people?

3:10

Where are the men the coaches? Who

3:12

is taking precedent and acknowledging that the

3:15

women's sporting category is at jeopardy?

3:17

Here? Well, yeah, I mean, what's the point of women's sports

3:20

now, right? I know, Well, it's interesting

3:22

because there's so many obviously,

3:24

there's so many organizations like the

3:26

IOC, which is the Olympic Committee, and

3:29

all these sports specific organizations

3:31

that have all of these strict policies for doping

3:34

and performance enhancing drugs. But

3:37

now suddenly, when the trans issue

3:40

is brought to light, they say testosterone

3:42

has no effect on performance.

3:45

But if that was the case, there would be no

3:47

sporting categories. We would just have one big free

3:49

for all and men compete against women

3:51

and it would be relatively equal and

3:54

how it panned out, but that's not what we would

3:56

see. And we all know that if there was no

3:58

sporting or specific

4:01

categories. May I have three brother as,

4:03

I have an older brother who used to beat me

4:05

up, as most older brothers do, and I can

4:07

tell you men have a competitive advantage, so I

4:10

had to deal with that absolutely, you

4:12

know, at the tower point, Riley, you know it's I mean, I

4:14

do think it's important for younger generations like yourself

4:16

to speak because I think you're going to have a better

4:19

time influencing your peers and younger generations.

4:21

But adults should also be there protecting

4:24

people like you and standing up for

4:26

you. And also the nca A, I

4:28

feel like as an obligation to to stand up for its

4:31

female athletes. But you know where have they been,

4:33

Well, they've been the ones perpetrating all of this.

4:36

They were the ones who explicitly

4:39

subjected us to undressing

4:41

in front of a naked male, to

4:44

which these past couple of days, it's come out that the

4:46

naked male that we were in dressing in front of really

4:50

is just a part of the agpunity

4:53

community, which is the autogenophiliac,

4:56

which means you're sexually aroused from dressing

4:58

as a woman. So

5:00

the nc double A, rather than protecting

5:03

us as females, they

5:05

put us in that situation. It might I add, they never

5:08

disclose to us, forewarned us

5:10

that we would be in that situation. They

5:13

told us, of course that we were competing against Thomas,

5:15

but we had no idea,

5:18

nor did we give them our consent to

5:20

share a changing space

5:23

with a biological man who

5:25

I might add is fully impact with male genitalia.

5:28

So obviously then he gets aroused

5:31

by this and you're subjected

5:33

to it. I mean, the way I look at it

5:35

is you know that's a sexual harassment

5:37

incident. Absolutely, and that's that's

5:40

what you would think. But it's it's almost

5:42

comical because

5:44

now the Biden

5:46

administration is actively trying to, of course,

5:49

rewrite Title nine to where it

5:51

is not well, I guess sex would now

5:53

equate to gender identity. So

5:56

under Biden's new Title

5:58

nine rewrite, it would actually be

6:00

sexual harassment if I missed gender

6:03

Leah Thomas. But it is not sexual harassment.

6:06

For Leah Thomas to show his

6:08

body parts to

6:11

us as we are undressing, that is

6:13

not sexual harassment. But me using the

6:16

pronouns heat him, now that

6:18

that is so it's almost

6:20

comical. Any sane person would

6:22

hear that and laugh, like,

6:24

is this really how far we've come as

6:27

a country that this is

6:29

what we're defining a sexual harassment.

6:32

I mean, I can't imagine, you know, I've

6:34

been in locker rooms, I played sports growing

6:36

up. I can't imagine being in a locker room

6:39

and then having a naked man staring at

6:41

me and just the level of intrusiveness,

6:43

the level of violation, embarrassment

6:46

even of having to be

6:49

subjected to that. Right, it's a subconscious

6:52

I mean, it's in a you feel uncomfortable

6:55

when you know a male gaze is in the room while

6:57

you're undressing, like you immediately want to

6:59

cover, which I want to add, a swimming

7:01

locker room is not a place of modesty. Generally,

7:05

these suits you put on, their skin tight.

7:07

It takes about fifteen minutes to

7:09

which you're fully exposed putting these suits

7:11

on. And

7:15

not to mention it's a distraction more than

7:17

anything. We

7:19

are supposed to be there, supposed

7:21

to be on our a game, competing to the best

7:23

of our ability. But let me tell you,

7:25

it is so hard to not

7:28

let that incident be a

7:30

distraction, which of course inhibits

7:33

your performance capabilities

7:36

and how well you perform when you're

7:38

not mentally all there. Swimming,

7:41

of course, like most sports is, it's extremely

7:43

mental. Of course there's a lot of physical

7:46

that goes into it, but the mental toll

7:49

it has on you is huge,

7:52

and so it was a distraction well.

7:54

And then of course the ironies. You mentioned the changes

7:56

that Biden's trying to make. But then when he

7:58

chose Kamala Harris as a VP, he one of

8:00

the boxes he wanted to check as the fact that she's

8:02

a woman. But if being a woman

8:05

no longer matters, then what's the point.

8:07

You know, It's like, we just live in such silly

8:09

times, and you know, of course this

8:11

doesn't make sense. No, I know,

8:13

Well, the thing is, truthfully,

8:17

I feel like it makes sense to ninety

8:19

five percent of people, if not more. Which

8:23

same person would truthfully say

8:25

that men and women are athletically the same,

8:28

No one, at least if they are. I

8:31

can't comprehend that. But majority of the

8:33

people, we know what's happening

8:36

is wrong, and this translates far beyond sports,

8:40

just this whole gender ideology propaganda,

8:42

what's happening in elementary schools,

8:45

what's happening within prison systems

8:47

in the US. I mean, we

8:49

know that this stuff is wrong,

8:52

but people are terrified

8:54

of being labeled as transphobic, which

8:58

at first I understood when

9:00

I first spoke out, I was scared of being called transphobic.

9:03

But now I've realized

9:05

that it doesn't make me hateful, it doesn't

9:07

make me transphobic. It doesn't make me a bigot

9:10

to understand and publicly

9:12

say that there are two sexes, that

9:14

you cannot change your sex, and

9:16

that women deserve respect and opportunities,

9:20

again in sports, but far beyond sports

9:22

as well well. And how many times do

9:24

you hear about a man entering women's

9:27

sports and then all of a sudden, you

9:29

know, they start breaking records when they were not

9:31

able to do that among other women, Right,

9:33

that doesn't You don't hear a lot of women entering

9:36

men's sports and then they start breaking records

9:38

where we saw that with Leah Thomas. No,

9:41

you don't, And I think it's important

9:44

to add last year

9:46

at our instable A Championships, where we had,

9:48

of course Leah Thomas, who is a

9:50

male to female transitioner, at

9:53

the same meat, we had a

9:56

female transitioning to male who

9:59

had reassignment surgery on the top,

10:01

who had a double in sectomy, who went by heat

10:03

him name was now

10:06

Isaac, but of course was swimming

10:08

with the women because this person would have never

10:11

qualified for NC

10:13

double as a as a male. So

10:15

this proves that the women's category is

10:18

what's at jeopardy, not the men's category.

10:21

This said swimmer, who is

10:23

now a trans man is competing

10:26

with the men and went from being an All American

10:28

phenomenal female swimmer to placing

10:32

glass every time as a

10:34

man. Actually the other day got second to last

10:36

and be a man with one arm. So

10:39

that's what we're looking at. There's

10:42

so much talk of trans women competing

10:44

with women, but hardly I mean

10:47

crickets from trans men in the

10:49

men's category. How did Leah Thomas

10:51

do when he was swimming against

10:54

other men? Leah the year before transitioning

10:56

ranked four hundred and sixty second at

10:58

best in the men's category. There's

11:02

people who will say Leah was ranked six,

11:04

Leah was this. First of all, I'm a swimmer,

11:07

I know I know how to follow this stuff. That's

11:09

not true. Leah might have placed

11:11

six at a conference meet or at

11:13

a duel meet, but Leah never even

11:16

remotely qualified for NC double

11:18

as as a male. This was not a lateral

11:20

movement, which is why this conversation is

11:22

necessary. Had this have been

11:25

a lateral movement and we had science

11:27

that could prove these

11:30

hormone suppressors, which we know

11:32

would never I mean, even with hormone

11:34

suppression, there's certain advantages that would never

11:37

be mitigated. But let's say in theory

11:40

they could. This could be potentially a different

11:42

conversation. But this is not a lateral

11:44

movement. This isn't Leah ranking five

11:46

hundreds, placing five hundreds in the women's

11:48

category. This is Leah becoming the fastest

11:51

woman in the entire country, beating

11:53

out Olympians, American record holders,

11:55

and some of the most impressive athletes, female

11:58

athletes of really our time. What's

12:00

frustrating about that? So? I played field hockey

12:02

and lacrosse growing up. I almost played in college.

12:04

I tore my acl as I was getting recruited,

12:07

and it was kind of one of those situations where

12:10

you know, all the D one schools, we're like, yeah, I don't call

12:12

us, we'll call you. Okay, I got

12:14

onofficial visits and stuff. But

12:16

you know, it all happens how it's supposed to. But

12:18

but the frustrating thing about this, especially in swimming,

12:21

I mean there's a level of dedication and

12:23

hard work. I mean you were busting your

12:25

butt to get to the level that you did, working

12:27

incredibly hard, and then to basically

12:30

have this, you know, unfair competition.

12:33

I can't imagine how demoralizing and

12:35

frustrating that is after sacrificing so

12:38

much to reach this level as you did.

12:40

Right, And you're exactly right by saying there

12:42

were sacrifices made. I

12:45

swam like most swimmers at an

12:47

elite level. I mean essentially all swimmers.

12:49

It's impossible to find a swimmer who started swimming

12:51

before or after the age of six. I

12:53

mean, I started swimming at four and

12:56

it was every day, which sounds crazy,

12:58

but you dedicate your life

13:00

to your sport. I missed out on proms,

13:03

I missed out on vacations. Every

13:06

summer at college, we were forced to

13:08

be at school taking classes so we

13:10

could train. I mean, there's so much

13:12

you give up, which I'm so

13:14

grateful for. I'm not sitting here winding

13:17

about giving things up. I was more than willing to

13:19

give these things up. But it's because I

13:21

was dedicated to being the

13:23

best that I could be. But when you have

13:25

a biological man come in there

13:29

and you have to race against each other,

13:31

it just feels like you're starting the

13:34

race with your hands behind your back. Like

13:37

it's so just heartbreaking.

13:39

I mean, of course, Title nine was created to protect

13:42

women's sports and opportunities,

13:45

and it just feels

13:47

like this is regressive.

13:49

And the left likes to look at this as it's progressive.

13:52

We're moving forward, but this is taking

13:54

us back fifty years in time. This is not progressive.

13:57

It's actually quite the opposite you've had where

14:00

I think you tied Leah Thomas and they gave

14:02

the trophy to him on the podium because

14:04

they wanted him to be in the photos

14:06

with the trophy. And then you were nominated

14:09

by the University of Kentucky as their

14:11

nca Women of the Year. But so was

14:13

he, even though he's not a woman. So it's

14:16

like that that is just totally

14:19

frustrating. Yes, it felt like especially

14:21

in the instance of when we

14:24

tied and they have one trophy

14:27

and they give it to Thomas, and when I questioned him, he

14:29

was like, well, Thomas has to have it for photo

14:31

purposes. It just felt

14:33

like we as female athletes,

14:36

were reduced to a photo op to

14:38

validate the identity of a man. And

14:41

that's truthfully what pushed me over the edge

14:43

into speaking out is when

14:45

they told me Thomas had to have the trophy

14:47

for picture purposes, it was like

14:50

it all made sense to me, which of

14:52

course it did before this. But what

14:54

the NCAA was trying to do was save face.

14:58

They're following the money, they're fall owing this

15:00

loud minority because they

15:02

don't want to get in trouble. They don't want to get sued

15:05

they don't want to deal with backlash,

15:07

but I made it my goal for

15:10

them to have to deal with backlash when they

15:12

put us through what they

15:14

put us through. Did any Upen swimmers

15:17

stand up and say this is wrong? Because of

15:19

course he was nominated. He was picked

15:21

to be their NCAA Women of the Year in

15:24

competition there so did any Upen

15:26

female swimmers step up? Not publicly,

15:30

they did some stuff anonymously.

15:32

They sent emails. I've

15:35

talked with several of them over

15:38

the course of these past couple of months.

15:40

One of them has

15:43

been kind of filling me in on all of

15:45

the silencing methods that their university

15:48

has used to ensure that they're quiet,

15:50

which is heartbreaking because now not

15:52

only is this an issue, of course, with the fairness

15:55

in our sports, but this has become

15:57

an issue with freedom of speech. And their

16:00

schools made them

16:02

go to mandatory LGBTQ meetings

16:04

every week when they were concerned

16:06

about the locker room piece, and they reached out to

16:09

their their university, and

16:12

I swear I have a screenshot of this.

16:14

I can't believe it's even in writing, but their university

16:17

said, if you feel uncomfortable

16:20

seeing mel Genitalia. Here are some counseling

16:22

resources that you should seek, and then they

16:24

were referred, of course, the LGBTQ Education

16:27

Center on campus to educate themselves.

16:30

They were told that their school has already made

16:32

their stance for them. They're

16:34

told they're never they will never get into grad school,

16:36

they will lose friends, they will never get a job if they

16:39

speak out. One of

16:41

Leah's teammates actually was

16:44

sexually assaulted in high school. She

16:47

was raped, and so she

16:49

was dealing with all of this trauma. And when

16:51

Leah came out and transitioned, she

16:54

immediately sat with her coaches and said, Hey,

16:56

like, this is what I'm dealing with.

16:58

This is my past. This is really triggering

17:01

to me and it causes me a lot of anxiety. Is

17:04

there something we can do? And her coaches said, no,

17:06

sorry, suck it up, which is

17:08

just to me. I mean, I'm fortunate

17:11

enough I've never had to go through anything like

17:14

that necessarily, but I just can't

17:16

imagine feeling so hopeless and

17:19

no one who was there, who's

17:21

there to protect you, doing anything

17:23

to actually protect you. Quick

17:26

commercial break more with Riley Gains on

17:28

the other side. So

17:32

obviously you're dealing with all this stuff behind the

17:34

scenes. At what point were you

17:36

just like, I need to speak

17:38

out? You know? What was it? Why did you

17:40

decide to speak out? You know? I,

17:43

truthfully, like I said,

17:45

I knew what was happening was wrong. I knew

17:47

the competition was wrong. I knew the locker

17:49

room situation was wrong. But

17:53

it was when we were sidelined so

17:56

Lenda could have the trophy That's when it

17:58

occurred to me that

18:00

someone has to do something. Because, like

18:02

I said, I was truthfully looking for someone

18:04

else to do it. I wanted some other

18:06

swimmer to take a stand and I could

18:08

kind of follow quietly behind

18:10

them. But

18:13

I started thinking of all of the warriors

18:15

and trailblazers who fought for Title

18:17

nine. I started thinking of

18:20

one day I just got married. One

18:22

day I hope to have daughters, and I

18:24

started to think of their future. What

18:26

if no one speaks up? What would

18:28

that mean for my daughter's Sports has given me

18:30

so much and

18:34

so many skills, so many leadership skills,

18:36

the confidence to continue doing what I'm doing

18:38

and not care about the backlash.

18:42

I want my daughters to have that opportunity

18:44

of my sons. If I'm fortunate to have sons. I

18:47

can't imagine them not having the

18:49

same access and

18:51

resources that I did. And

18:54

that's what pushed me over the edge. And so I called

18:56

my my athletic director at the University

18:59

of Kentucky, and he's an amazing

19:01

and amazing person and we have a good relationship,

19:03

and so I called him and I said,

19:06

Hey, this is what happened. These

19:08

are my convictions. How do you feel

19:10

about me taking a public stance And he said,

19:13

speak your heart. I will

19:15

support you in anything you do, which

19:18

now I'm realizing God put

19:20

me at the University of Kentucky. He put

19:22

me in the position to where Leah Thomas and

19:25

I tied because

19:28

there's no other athletic director in the

19:30

NC double A who's a supportive

19:32

of their athletes

19:34

and their true convictions

19:37

as Mitch Barnhart was to me. So

19:41

I'm so grateful for my university and my coaches.

19:43

I never dealt. Dealt was silencing,

19:45

which is one hundred percent an

19:47

anomaly, you know, and then what's been you

19:49

know, obviously you've had the support of the University of

19:51

Kentucky, which is beautiful to hear that. You

19:54

know, there's still places of sanity out there

19:56

on all of this. What's been the public response?

19:58

Like, you know, how has that been for you? You

20:00

You know, at first,

20:02

it was hard for me to handle all the negative

20:05

comments, all the death threats, all of the comments

20:08

about my appearance, and so

20:10

many people telling me that this isn't

20:12

what christ would do, You're not a Christian.

20:15

That was hard for me to hear. But

20:19

now, oh my gosh, the support

20:21

is tenfold. I mean, there

20:24

is so much more support, especially as

20:26

people get more comfortable and more instances

20:29

happen similar to the Leah Thomas one again

20:32

in prisons, I mean just all

20:34

over where women are essentially getting erased,

20:37

people are becoming more vocal, and people are

20:39

providing support, and it has been

20:42

so so much more support

20:45

than anything negative. And now I'm

20:47

so secure with myself and I stand

20:50

so firm that the negative comments

20:52

go in one ear and out of the other.

20:55

I know I'm not transphobic. I think that word

20:57

is socially I'm not scared of trans

21:00

people. I do think

21:02

trans people should have rights. I think no one

21:04

should be denied athletic opportunity, but

21:06

we should all compete fairly. What

21:09

makes one person's identity and

21:12

mental health and feelings more valuable

21:14

over a whole other groups, their

21:19

mental health, what about their feelings? Of course,

21:21

no one's asking that about

21:23

us and us as female

21:25

athletes, so but

21:29

there's been so much more support than

21:31

anything negative. Well, if you've noticed, you

21:33

know, it's a tactic of the left to label people

21:36

names. You know, for instance, you don't get

21:38

the vaccine, you're an anti vaxx. You know, it's

21:40

like there's always a label to

21:42

try to, you know, put

21:44

the societal shame on people that they want

21:46

to shut up. And it's unfortunate, but to your

21:48

point, you just have to know, you know what they're going to do

21:50

this anyways, and I know what I'm doing is right.

21:53

I've had so many conversations

21:55

with my family, with my friends, lots

21:58

of prayer, and I know my

22:02

true heart, I know my true intentions

22:04

and my true intentions or not to advance myself

22:06

personally throughout this matter. But

22:08

it's to make changes both

22:12

at the state and federal levels. So this doesn't have

22:14

to happen to any girl. Again, no

22:16

girls should compare themselves to a man. Is that

22:18

where you get your strength from through your faith?

22:20

Definitely, it's a huge part of me

22:23

and here recently, I

22:25

feel like I don't know if

22:27

I was just naive before, but

22:30

I just feel like with everything happening

22:32

in our society, I mean, look

22:34

at what's happening, what happened at the Grammys

22:36

where we have someone dressing up as Satan.

22:39

I mean, I mean, I just feel like we live in this

22:42

godless society, and I

22:44

feel like that's kind of why

22:46

we've taken this spiral

22:49

down to which I think

22:51

everyone can agree on. Look

22:54

at what's happening. I mean, there's so many different

22:56

assets that I'm not even just

22:58

sports, this is far beyond that are

23:02

just plummeting. And

23:04

so I feel like we just live in this godless

23:08

society where we've

23:10

lost our morals, We've lost our sense

23:13

of common sense, like our common sense,

23:16

our understanding of truth and reality

23:18

and logic and how that's

23:21

crucial. We have people who deny truth till

23:23

they're blue in the face, and it's really

23:25

heartbreaking to see and

23:27

to hear. I totally agree with you. I mean, I

23:29

think there's been a total blurring of the

23:31

lines of what's right and wrong and an

23:33

intentional chaos that they're creating

23:36

and defying of the truth intentionally,

23:38

because a lot can thrive in chaos, right, It

23:41

creates and anything goes society, and it

23:43

seems like that's the whole intention of this, and

23:45

also why they have such a problem with

23:47

people like you standing up for what is right and

23:50

standing up for what is true. There's no open

23:52

dialogue anymore either, and

23:55

I know you kind of touched on this. If someone doesn't agree

23:57

with you, it's just labeled them as something.

24:00

There's no conversation, which is

24:02

what I wanted to engage. And I've reached out to CNN

24:05

and left wing sites and media outlets

24:08

numerous times to have me on because I

24:10

want to spread the message to more than just conservatives,

24:13

because I think this is something that matters and

24:16

should matter to more than just conservatives.

24:19

But they're unwilling to even have me on to

24:21

talk about it, which is sad

24:23

because I think this is something that we should

24:26

conversation, that we should embrace with open

24:29

open hearts, open minds. But that's

24:31

of course not the way this and so

24:34

many other issues are going. I do believe

24:36

that bravery leads to other bravery,

24:38

and I think you sort of setting

24:40

a path and standing up will eventually

24:42

lead to other people doing the same. So

24:45

I deeply respect you. I'll give you myself if

24:47

you ever want to talk. I'm here. I've worked

24:49

in the media. See, you get used to being called things,

24:52

so it's

24:55

a sunfortunate but I sympathize

24:57

and empathize with you. So Riley gay,

24:59

and you're a heck of a woman. Very

25:02

proud of you. Tons of respect. Thank

25:04

you for doing what you're doing well. I appreciate

25:06

that so so much, and I thank you for everything

25:08

that you do. Truly, it's

25:11

just inspiring. So thank you those

25:18

Riley Gains speaking out on

25:21

some of this transgender craziness

25:23

that we live in, this crazy society

25:25

that we live in, standing bravely for the

25:27

truth. So she mentioned twenty two

25:29

years old, very young to have that much wisdom

25:32

and to have that much bravery and strength. So

25:34

I appreciate her coming on the show. I want to thank

25:36

you guys at home for listening every Monday and

25:38

Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I

25:40

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25:43

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