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Welcome back to the Truth with Lisa

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Booth. This episode, we've got Steve

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Bannon. He is fascinating.

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I found this conversation so fascinating.

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The guy is brilliant. I mean, love him or hate him,

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but he is so smart. I mean I could

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have spent the entire day ask him questions. We

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we get into his time working as one of the masterminds

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behind Donald Trump's election,

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but he also helped lead the realignment

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we're seeing in American politics today,

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where the left is now this party of coastal

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leads. You know, I always say the

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best headline to summarize today's left

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is AOC legally parking her

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tesla outside of a Whole Foods. Like that's today's

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political left. Right and the right

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has really become the party of the working class.

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So how did that happen? We're gonna

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get into it with Steve Bannett. We're also going to talk

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about his blue collar upbringing and which which

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really kind of helped spearhead that

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movement, and why he cared about a lot of issues

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that he got the rest of the Republican Party to care about

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as well. We get into a lot of other big ticket

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ideas like immigration, inflation,

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and why the left has it out for him and conservatives.

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I mean, he's been indicted by a federal grand jury

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for refusing to comply with subpoena from

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the January six Committee as Biden's

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d o J and the political

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left continue to target him in a political

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witch hunt. We're gonna get into that. And

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before we got into politics, he served in the Navy,

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he produced movies, he helped co found the

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conservative news outlet breitbar

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and now he has Steve Bannon's War

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Room, a podcast and show which you can

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go out and watch. Fascinating

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interview. Fascinating man. I

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really hope you enjoyed this conversation. Without

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further ado, here's my convo

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with Steve Bannon. Right,

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so, this is the second episode

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of the new season of The Truth with Lisa

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Booth, and we've got Steve Bannon

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for this episode. I'm a huge fan. Mean, the guy

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has done everything. He worked

2:02

in Goldman Sachs, he produced Hollywood

2:05

movies, he co founded Bright Bart, then he

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went on to work for the Trump campaign White

2:09

House. I mean, what haven't you done,

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Steve Bannon? Well,

2:15

some successfully, some let's say less successfully,

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dope, but I've I've had, I've had, I've

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had a great life, been very fortunate.

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It's just it's fascinating. But one

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thing I think is really interesting is so

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we've seen this massive shift in the two

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parties, right, I mean, the Republican Party has really become

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the party of the working class. The left is just

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increasingly become this party of the coastal leads.

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And you've had a heavy hand in that, in shaping

2:39

that direction, particularly working or

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you know, helping a lead and run the Trump

2:44

campaign in two sixteen. What

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did you see that others didn't. But this kind

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of came after it was really the financial crisis

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to crisis of two thousand and eight. Look, I came

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from its very fortunate to come from

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a Democratic you know, Irish

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Catholic Union family in the South,

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and and you know, had military service, so we were

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always kind of you know, we were Kennedy

3:05

Democrats, and uh, you know, became

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my family became big Reagan supporters

3:10

because of his stance in the military, and uh,

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you know, and after the Vietnam War.

3:15

So I just saw in the financial crash

3:17

of two thousand and eighth, at least take care of themselves.

3:19

And you know, the Republican Party seemed

3:22

to have no solutions as the working

3:24

class and the UH, the African

3:26

Americans has Spanish got wiped out on the airquity

3:28

in their homes. Everybody got trashed in

3:30

the stock market. The bailots were all the you

3:33

know, the concentration of wealth increased even

3:35

more as they blew up the Balanchie, the Fed

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and then the Tea Party. I got very involved.

3:40

We met, you know, I knew Andrew for a number years, but

3:42

we both got very engaged in the beginning of the Tea

3:44

Party. I made a bunch of films, so we

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kind of saw the populist nationalism, and you

3:48

know, I was a big supporter of Sarah

3:50

Palin's I tried I made a

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biography of Sarah Palin, the film. I tried to get

3:55

her to run for president. I saw

3:57

this populist nationalist, you know,

3:59

shift the Republican Party. And I

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had known Trump, not well, but

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I had known him for a couple of years. And then when

4:06

as soon as he became real

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at Sepack and I followed

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this guy around and I said, this guy is the real deal. So it

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was, you know, it was the country

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is definitely shifting in a much

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more populist direction. Overall,

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even the Democratic Party has got quite a big

4:23

group of left wing populist that I think we

4:25

can carve off at least a third of. So no, we're

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it's politics today is really driven

4:29

by populism, and it's the defining

4:33

point is really the globalist versus the nationalists.

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So that's where I think we're We're a

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movement on the ascendant, and we have a unique

4:39

opportunity, Lisa in November to really

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destroy the Democratic

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Party as a national polic institution

4:47

if we just focus maniacally

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on on the top, you know, on what we have to do

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to do that. So I think we're in a unique time

4:54

in American history. What do you think those

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issues should be when you look at ahead

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at the mid terms. Well, first of I think it's a referendum

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on the illegitimate Biden regime. You

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know, we're very big on the Three November movement,

5:05

which is the illegitimacy of the of the election

5:07

itself, and uh, we believe

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that underpins much of

5:12

the creatoring of of of his numbers.

5:15

So number one, I think it's continued to to

5:17

focus on uh, basically

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not just election integrity going forward, but what

5:22

happened on three November and how we have

5:24

to get to the bottom of that, because this guy is certainly

5:26

not legitimate, and the and the and our enemies

5:29

know that. You know, I'm I'm the first UH

5:31

and I think only Savellian in American

5:34

history be sanctioned formally by the

5:36

Chinese Communist Party along with you know, Mike

5:38

Pompeo and Matt Pottinger and

5:40

Peter Navarro after the Trump

5:43

administration left office. But those three were government

5:45

officials at the time. I was a Savellian UH

5:47

and and I can tell you that, you

5:50

know, we're in a very unique time in American

5:52

history, and that's why this the issue has got to

5:54

be the Chinese Counties Party know

5:56

the Biden's illegitimate. That's why I treating with no respect,

5:59

not just specklessness, not just as haplessness,

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not just as radical policies and the inability

6:04

to execute on anything. But they realize

6:07

he's illegitimates that's number one. The others

6:09

have to be the economy and what's happening

6:11

not just with the inflation, but whereas the

6:14

destruction of working class and middle class

6:16

jobs, and obviously the invasion on the

6:18

southern border has to be another

6:20

high element. And and and also

6:22

the this whole cultural war

6:25

that's really metastasized into really

6:28

trying to destroy the American family through

6:32

using children to destroy it. So it's

6:35

it's so much. And this is why three November

6:37

losing, having the elections stolen

6:40

was so providential, and that

6:42

they've turned over their face cards, and I think you see the radical

6:44

nature of this. So I anticipate that

6:46

this is going to be historic midterm

6:48

election that's going to have, you know, massive

6:51

consequences. But I think first and foremost

6:53

is you have to make it a referendum on how

6:55

Biden the Democrats have run things. And obviously

6:58

the police telling us even among their core constituencies

7:00

where that's hispanic to African Americans,

7:03

the youth today, you look at any of the

7:05

polling and the bottom has totally fallen out

7:07

of this regime. Why do you think they hated

7:09

him so much? And I say they because it's sort of like

7:12

these collective forces, right, And we saw

7:14

the media, we saw Congress

7:16

doing so many unnecessary investigations,

7:19

We saw big tech, we saw

7:21

I mean even you know, probably China trying to meddle

7:23

the I mean, the list goes on and

7:25

and also hate you and everyone else who is associated

7:27

with the Trump campaign and White

7:30

House as extension. But why do you think they

7:32

hated him so much or hate him so much? But

7:35

let's go back to sixteen, because I think that he

7:37

for the first time, really gave working

7:39

class people, in middle

7:41

class people a place at the table. You

7:43

know, the Democratic Party has kind of kind of gotten

7:46

it was kind of split between a proletariat

7:49

that depends on the government in these

7:51

cold coastal elites and the Republican

7:54

Party uniparty is really a

7:56

controlled opposition at best and

7:58

oftentimes goes along and see the spending bills

8:00

in the in the situation Ukraine, their

8:02

neoliberal, neo cons So

8:05

Trump was the first relay to get

8:07

to offer the American people a

8:09

source of strength that would represent them,

8:12

you know, in the room and in d C. As you know

8:14

better than anybody, Lisa, not in the room, not in the deal.

8:17

And the American people are working with the people that

8:19

are hordable, the people that pay the taxes, the

8:21

sons and daughters fighting these wars

8:23

all over the world, um, the

8:25

ones that really build our civic society. And

8:28

underpinned the real, the true

8:30

America of every

8:32

ethnicity, race, religion that

8:34

they didn't have representation, and

8:36

Trump put him in the room. That's why Trump,

8:39

being a Bayonaire and someone who

8:41

come from Queens but going to New York have been enormously

8:44

successful and then been enormously successful

8:46

in Hollywood and in TV with

8:48

The Apprentice. He's hated

8:50

because he really uh

8:52

understood the game and represented that people

8:54

had no representation. And he is absolutely

8:57

hated. And I tell people at his age,

8:59

you know, being worth I don't know, five six, seven, eight

9:01

billion dollars and buying golf clubs

9:04

that turn into you know, major championship venues.

9:06

He had with a family that loves him

9:08

and a great wife and

9:11

children. He had

9:13

no reason to do this,

9:15

right, because they're going to try to destroy you. He did it because

9:18

he's a patriot and loves this country. And that

9:20

that's why they hate him. And I mean the hatred is

9:23

it's even now. I mean every day they're trying to personally

9:25

destroy and put him in jail, take his all his wealth

9:27

away. It's they know no bounce

9:30

and they know no depths of how they'll they'll go about

9:32

doing it. So that's why I

9:34

think and I think so that's why people not just lov

9:36

him, but people understand very

9:38

deeply that he's fighting for them,

9:40

and he's he's an authentic fighter for them. And I

9:42

think that's one of the powers of what President

9:45

Trump has taken the populace nationalist movement

9:47

and put us for twenty years

9:49

of where he would have been, even with leaders

9:51

like Palin and other people. He's just done an extraordinary

9:54

job. But he's put not the room, not in

9:56

the deal. And he not only put the working class

9:58

in the room, he put him at the head at the table. Well.

10:01

And we saw just the left contempt

10:03

for working class Americans during COVID.

10:06

I mean think about like, I

10:08

just think it's evil to tell hard working

10:10

Americans are not essential or

10:12

Okay, you put your blood, sweat

10:14

and tears into this business that you've built from

10:16

nothing, that you've invested everything, and we're just going

10:18

to shut it down for no reason.

10:21

I mean, don't you think

10:23

that just showed that it's not just like even

10:25

a disconnected it's a contempt from

10:27

the left for working class Americans. I

10:30

think it's a great way to say it. Yes, it's a contempt

10:32

and it's into thinking. Remember, they

10:34

think they can paper it over with a

10:36

couple of tips like the the

10:38

the American Rescue planer. Remember

10:40

that dropping aggregate demand, that massive dropping

10:43

aggurate demand that came about in

10:45

the first you know, three or four months

10:47

of the pandemic, when President

10:49

Trump and and and that's recommending we tried

10:51

different things like flattened the curve, but things that really

10:53

had to given the evidence of the time.

10:56

So it's like to take care of the capacity realization

10:58

issues, ventilators and

11:00

ice use and all that that you would try to, you

11:03

know, do lockdowns or shrug certain parts of

11:05

the country down. Um, that drop an aggregate

11:07

demand was tremendous,

11:09

and President Trump's first thing was to make sure that

11:11

people could bridge that gap. What

11:14

the Democrats have done since then with just this quote

11:16

unquote follow the science, which is anything but in

11:19

these mandates was really destroy

11:22

much of the service business and in the big cities.

11:24

And that's why you have such anarchy and chaos in places

11:26

like Chicago, places like New York, places like

11:28

Los Angeles, and their contempt

11:30

for essentially even people that vote for

11:32

them is astounding. And that now

11:34

they think they can paper it over which is continue to

11:36

pass these massive deficit

11:39

spending bills that could somehow give

11:41

somebody really essentially tip money, while

11:43

the destroying and mecanomically. I remember also the

11:46

working class and in the in the lower

11:48

middle classes is among the highest percentage

11:50

of churchgoers and people, particularly

11:53

Hispanic community. And look what they did to

11:55

the religious services. I mean, it's unprecedented

11:57

and not just an American history, it's unprecedented

12:00

in in two thousand years of Christian history

12:02

that we did. We know, we missed two easters, right,

12:05

It's it's like shocking all by

12:08

government FIA government directions.

12:10

So no their contempt for

12:12

their uh for their own people

12:15

that both of them as a standing. Remember in

12:17

this current issue with inflation,

12:19

runaway inflation, you see Democrats

12:22

on TV all the time or in the op ed section of the

12:24

New York Times proposing one of

12:26

their biggest solutions is to increase

12:29

immigration, which is essentially just destroying

12:31

wages for working class and Hispanics and African

12:33

Americans. They really have

12:36

no feeling, no feeling overall, no care

12:38

overall for the whole person when

12:41

it comes to working class people and their

12:43

contempt for their own voters. This is

12:45

why I think Trump's message, in the message

12:47

of the populace right is starting to resonate.

12:49

That's why I think you see in the rear Grand Valley in South

12:52

Texas among Hispanics, where we

12:54

could get over fifty vote this time African

12:56

Americans, we get over vote

12:59

Asians maybe thirty. I

13:01

think you're seeing that people understand they have the Democratic

13:04

Party as contempt for their own voting

13:07

base and really no solutions. And that's why

13:09

I think we're offering a real altendative and people

13:11

are coming to that alternative. Well, you

13:13

know, Steve, basically, you know, Jen

13:15

Psaki says you should just go to kickboxing,

13:18

go home, drink a margarita, and then go purchase

13:20

a sixty Tesla and it's all

13:22

going to be okay. But you know,

13:25

we look at heading into the election,

13:29

by the way, I think at that point that

13:31

that that no, that shows you their arrogance. No, totally.

13:34

Some of the things that some of the things that come out

13:36

of them is a shocking. You

13:38

know, with just a gas prices are too high, would you wouldn't

13:40

be a problem with his electric vehicle. I mean,

13:43

they're so detached, these coastal elites

13:45

who just really talk to themselves and have their own

13:48

and they look they control the oligarchs

13:50

and Silicon Valley, the Wall Street hedge funds,

13:52

the world corporations, all the media, but

13:55

they talk to themselves and they're so detached

13:57

from the reality of the life

14:00

of working class Americans in the middle class.

14:02

And I think she's in the perfect example when you

14:04

you say that, I know it's

14:07

in tongue of cheap, but those are as, you know, things

14:09

she said and and our others have

14:11

said. And I think it's starting to rub people

14:13

the wrong way. And that's one of the biggest advantages

14:15

we have, and we have to capitalize

14:17

on it this November well, and again

14:19

to your point, the reason I said that is I think

14:21

it continues to show this contempt for

14:24

working Americans, as you pointed out, this great

14:26

disconnect to this content. But you know, we we looked

14:28

at heading into the election, there's

14:30

so much unnecessary fear about

14:32

COVID. Uh. You know, I know I was getting

14:35

increasingly for us to with the conversations happening at

14:37

the country just people weren't looking at the data, weren't

14:39

presenting context. It was just fear, fear,

14:41

fear. How much of that was

14:43

to prevent Donald Trump from getting elected

14:46

or was it about power or was it both. It's

14:49

interesting, it's a very interesting question. Number

14:51

one. I think if you really look at

14:53

there's a great piece of American greatness actually

14:56

today that talks about Tumbler

14:59

and talks about how tom or is something that

15:01

really drives a lot of the messages on

15:03

the left, and it's really dominated by young

15:05

women. Right. One thing I

15:07

think we know from the progressive left and even

15:09

from the world culture is they live in fear.

15:12

They actually live in fear there. They're they're they're

15:15

uh, they're all about risk. Uh, their

15:17

risk averse, completely risk averse about

15:19

every aspect of their life, and they really live

15:21

in total fear um. And that is

15:24

just so not what the American experience

15:26

is about. The American experience is not

15:28

similarly about risk taking. It's about

15:30

being very sophisticated, no matter what your

15:33

education level, is about risk mitigation.

15:35

So therefore you can take risk. The

15:37

American people working at people of people

15:40

with no education. But my family is a perfect

15:42

example. But obviously millions

15:45

and millions of others that came to this country

15:47

and helped build this country and took risk

15:49

in doing it, but they knew how to mitigate that

15:51

risk. Today with this progressive

15:54

left, you see their fear base. They

15:56

live in fear. In addition, the

15:59

one thing they hated so much, it was obviously something

16:01

to to to uh, to

16:04

destroy Trump and to stop his presidency at all

16:06

costs. Now, one of the things that we're finding

16:08

out as we've got a program

16:10

with Naomi Wolf where she's going through the Fiser

16:12

documents. Remember these Fiser de Fiser

16:15

and all the pharma serial companies didn't

16:17

have to put forward their their their papers

16:19

on any of these clinical trials for seventy

16:21

years. A federal judge or returned

16:23

that and that's not been opened up. And we've

16:26

been working with Naomi Wolf and others to crowdsource

16:28

investigation there now in the fifth or six week

16:31

and and it's quite disturbing what they're finding from

16:33

these original documents, which is this

16:35

is not just a this is not was

16:37

a massive clinical trial, which

16:39

kind of makes sense because it takes about ten years again

16:41

a vaccine with a massive clinical trial in addition

16:44

that fights in the company's new and FDA

16:46

new. This is probably a failed clinical

16:49

trial, or at least a clinical trial

16:51

that was going to take a lot longer early on.

16:53

But no, this this, this is a fear

16:56

based attempt to

16:58

h to make sure that Donald Trump didn't have a

17:00

second term, and they pulled out all stops. Well,

17:03

and that's why I'm not getting the vaccine because

17:05

of some of the points that you've raised, and we just don't

17:07

have enough information on it. And then you look at you know,

17:09

I'm not high risk. I never have been, so it never

17:11

made sense to force people like me, or

17:13

really anyone to get something they didn't want

17:15

that isn't thoroughly studied. But like

17:17

even deeper to your point about the f d A and

17:20

just the corruption. I mean, we've seen it with

17:22

the CDC as well. You look at the

17:24

d o J and the FBI targeting Trump. It just

17:26

seems like corruption is so entrenched

17:29

in our government. We saw the way that average

17:31

citizens were treated during COVID

17:34

as well. I mean, can we right this ship as

17:36

a country we're so far away from

17:38

you know, Okay, that's a great

17:40

point. But let me just say, Okay, so

17:43

when I was at the White House and talked at Sepeck

17:45

that you're in seventeen and talked about the deconstruction

17:47

of the administrative staping with those more

17:49

things. It's not siftinitly the corruption

17:52

of washingtond C. Something's happened over the last

17:54

fifteen or twenty is very different. We

17:56

now have a fourth branch of government that's

17:58

actually supersedes all the rest of and that

18:00

is the administrative state. It's it's

18:02

it's even deeper. It's even uh

18:05

deeper than just a bureaucracy. And it's not a

18:07

deep state, because I tell people it's up in your face.

18:10

The administrative state is what you see in the Public

18:12

Health Services and with Fauci

18:14

and Collins. Dr. Collins and all the rest

18:16

of that gang. It's what you see in the National security

18:19

apparatus and the intelligence apparatus.

18:22

You go across any branch of the

18:24

government, you have something that's much more embedded

18:26

than the legislative branch, much more

18:28

the the executive branch. And think about

18:30

it for a second. A president and with

18:33

President Trump, we have you only have four

18:35

thousand political appointees

18:37

to run the entire government. Of those, one

18:39

thousand have to be sent it confirmed. I mean.

18:41

One of the big failings, and we know this from the

18:43

Trump administration. This populous nationalist

18:46

movement. When we came to power so

18:48

quickly and for such a come from behind victory,

18:50

we had a tough time staffing things. Now

18:52

we're going to make sure that doesn't happen again. Is now

18:55

we're to have academies

18:57

and have groups that are out there getting people

18:59

ready and getting people reading their expertise so we

19:01

can hit the deck plates running next time.

19:03

But the administrative state is massive. And

19:05

everything you saw in COVID, everything, everything

19:07

you really have seen in this Ukraine situation,

19:10

from the appeachment of Trump all the way to

19:12

what's happening now. Everything you've seen a d

19:14

o J and the FBI of of calling American

19:17

moms and Dad's domestic terrorists,

19:19

this is all the administrative state. And this administrative

19:22

state is permanent. It was set up by progressives

19:25

thirty or forty years ago to be

19:27

to be something that was impervious to elections,

19:30

and Trump showed you it's remember

19:32

the entire fight we had uh

19:35

in the in the years of Trump the first

19:37

term. It wasn't

19:39

the Chinese countiest party. We confronted them

19:41

head on and we're winning. It was Trump's

19:44

biggest fights, and quite

19:46

frankly, we lost more than we won was

19:48

with the administrative state. The administrative state

19:51

was after Trump. In fact, the whole impeachment

19:53

was about the administrative state. This is

19:55

a singular problem in the United

19:57

States of America today and it has to be addressed

19:59

this November. I think you're gonna see, Lisa, many

20:02

of the investigations in the House UH

20:05

next year, starting in January next year, are going to

20:07

be directly focused on

20:09

the administrative state. You see people like Jim

20:11

Jordan's, Matt Gates, darryl Isa,

20:14

these real hammers who know how to investigate. As

20:16

Gates calls it, every committee will

20:18

be an oversight committee. I think you're gonna see a battle

20:21

royal starting in January this year

20:23

at the House level with investigating

20:25

to take it with the House, a Republican controlled,

20:28

MAGA controlled House taking on

20:30

the administrative state. So Steve, you

20:32

know, I totally agree with that, and I certainly

20:35

I pray for that. That's what we need as a country.

20:37

But you know, you're a solutions guy, You're a deep thinker.

20:39

The next Republican president, how does how

20:42

does that individual fight the things

20:45

you just laid out, what solutions need to

20:47

be brought, How do we fight the administrative state.

20:50

Well, it's two twofold. Number One, you've got to get

20:52

control of its starting with the House. I remember,

20:54

the House controls all appropriations. The

20:56

founders were the founders were visionary

21:00

and setting up our government, and that the House of Representatives

21:02

itself at the time even

21:04

more, had much more power than the executive

21:06

bridge. And they would have never thought that the executive

21:09

branch had gotten as powerful as it is, and particularly

21:11

with the administrative stay part of it. So Number

21:14

one, it has to be confronted. It has to be choked

21:16

down on money starting now. That's why

21:18

these midterms are important, and particularly

21:20

who the leadership in the House has been important.

21:22

Look, the next president, I'm absolutely

21:25

convinced will be Donald J. Trump, and

21:27

I think President Trump is much

21:29

more sophisticated and much more

21:31

wary today of what the administrative

21:33

state or the deep strait state is, and

21:35

I think he will go in with people a team

21:38

around him that after two

21:40

years of a Republican House really

21:42

going after this, the continuation will

21:44

be he'll take it on even more. And

21:47

remember, if we're ever to get close

21:49

to balancing our budget, and right now we cannot

21:52

continue. We don't have a sustainable business model.

21:54

We just don't. Right now, we have a structural

21:57

annual deficit of about a train to

21:59

a train of dollars. It's not sustainable.

22:02

We're not gonna be a raised taxes that high. I'm

22:04

a big proponent of raising taxes on the wealthy.

22:06

There's just not enough to say. You can't raise taxes

22:08

that high. You can't generate fees or revenues

22:11

you're going to have to grapple with. We're going

22:13

to have to start to cut the size

22:15

of the federal government has to happen, and

22:17

somebody like Trump that that can happen, but it's going to

22:20

have to happen from the House and then from an

22:22

administration that follows on that's prepared

22:24

to take on and deconstruct the administrative state.

22:27

How bad is the economy right now? I

22:29

think it. Here's how bad the economy is. I think that

22:32

if you look at the um,

22:34

if you look at the supply of

22:36

of of money of dollars, I think I think

22:38

it's m two is a category

22:40

is basically five treeon dollars in circulation.

22:43

On March twelve, when

22:47

President Trump declared an emergency around

22:49

COVID, I think today that numbers twenty

22:51

three to twenty five three dollars. We

22:54

have so kicked up the printing presidency

22:56

here and run up these deficits over thirty three dollars

22:59

a face amount of debt on

23:01

the nation's balance sheet. There's also nine

23:03

trillion dollars on the Fed. Remember we've

23:05

put pumped to liquidity into

23:07

this, into this carcass. The the American

23:10

economy, if you really look at its real operations,

23:12

has been a disaster. It's really a disaster.

23:15

And now part of the inflation is coming because it's

23:17

been so much printing money as so much spending. We

23:20

we really and this is the irresponsibility

23:22

of the political class and uniparty. What

23:24

we just did in passing this spending

23:26

bill a couple of weeks ago is outrageous.

23:29

It's essentially almost two trillion dollars

23:31

of of of of discretionary

23:35

spending. Remember, we have about three and a half threeion

23:37

dollars of transfer payments to Medicaid Medicare

23:39

source security. That also happens

23:41

to be just by happenstance, the amount of money

23:43

roughly we take into taxes and revenues.

23:46

So the transfer payments really as

23:49

our tax structure is today's basically

23:51

a wash. Everything else is then discretionary

23:54

spending. That has to be the way we pay for that is just

23:56

print is just print money. And

23:58

and so you can't do it. We CBO

24:00

tells us we have a structural deficit of at least

24:02

of three in dollars. Part that's driven by

24:05

a defense budget that's almost a trillion dollars

24:07

the official counting bay.

24:09

And I think, but it's it's obviously of

24:11

the department should be added up. It's a tree in dollars.

24:13

We can we cannot continue to

24:16

support this. This fight in Ukraine

24:18

is about the the the

24:20

post war liberal rules based order

24:23

right. The United States cannot continue to underwrite

24:25

this, and we do underwrite that as that order

24:28

quote unquote has allowed our

24:30

greatest existential threat ever, the Chinese Commis

24:32

Party, to come from a one treeon dollar economy

24:35

in to essentially a twenty

24:37

three in dollar economy and to basically

24:39

have the ability to take us on and destroy

24:42

the United States of America as a as a hedgemon

24:44

on the Eurasian land mass.

24:46

So no, this is it's not sustainable.

24:48

This is we're going to have looks all

24:51

the easy decisions for this

24:53

country or decades and back of us. For

24:55

anybody under thirty five right

24:57

now, you're you're essentially ten of

24:59

my to a Russian surf. And what I mean by that is

25:02

that, uh, you're you're better educated,

25:04

you're better informed, you're in better shape, you have

25:06

a better diet, better health, but

25:08

you don't own anything, and you're not going to own

25:10

anything. You're just on the You're just on the

25:12

wheel with a little bit of credit. Uh, you'll

25:15

have enough income to kind of get by, but

25:17

you'll never flourish, will be home ownership will

25:19

be very tough. It's one of the reasons that family

25:21

formation is coming so late because quite frankly,

25:24

you know, people looking out there, does does

25:26

my spouse have the ability to really have an

25:28

income we can base a family upon some of the

25:30

reasons that you don't have more stay at home

25:32

moms that people just can't afford it. It's really

25:34

had a dramatic societal effect,

25:37

and that's part of the issues of globalization.

25:39

So no, we we have the

25:42

economies and horrible shape and we're heading towards

25:44

the catastrophe. You can tell that right

25:46

now with inflation runaway,

25:48

and quite frankly, we weaponize the dollar

25:51

in the Ukraine fiasco to take

25:53

on the Rong enemy, the Russian

25:55

oligarchs instead of the Chinese Commonist Party.

25:57

It was failure and people are trying to get off. The doll

26:00

was the prime reserve currency. Once that happens, once

26:02

the dollar is not the prime reserve currency, we've

26:05

become Argentina. And once we're Argentina,

26:07

we're going to be in very, very very bad shape. You

26:10

guys, We've got to take just a quick break and then

26:12

we're back with so much more with Steve Bannen.

26:18

Why won't Biden confront China?

26:20

Well, first, I think if to go back to the heroic

26:23

New York Post in the Miranda

26:25

Divine and everybody, with Bernie Carrick,

26:28

Rudy, Bob Cassell and myself, we're

26:30

able to go through the Laptop from Hell,

26:32

the New York Post publisher. The reason I

26:34

was brought into that situation is my expertise

26:37

in the Chinese counpist parties, companies, UH

26:39

in the Biden family is completely compromised,

26:41

totally compromised. I believe there's a grand

26:44

jury sitting in Delaware right now

26:46

that's not looking at Hunter Biden. They're

26:48

looking at they're they're gonna use Hunter Biden

26:50

to get to Joe Biden and his brother

26:52

James. They are totally compromised by the Chinese

26:55

Counmis Party, by by the

26:57

things they've done in selling access

26:59

to O Biden, right to make money

27:01

and lots of money. So I think that they're

27:04

they're compromise. And I remember in

27:06

the in the Obama administration, Obama

27:09

understood Remember he was an anti war populist

27:12

candidate. They put Joe Biden on the ticket is kind of the adult

27:14

supervision from Delaware, from kind of Wall

27:16

Street in corporate America, and its expertise

27:19

on the on the Foreign Relations Committee, which he has been

27:21

forty years on Biden was Obama

27:23

understood exactly what Trump did. We have to pivot

27:26

out of the Middle East. The Middle East

27:28

wars have to be put in back of us, and we have

27:30

to pivot to Asia. This is a big

27:32

part of Obama's foreign policy, was the key

27:34

part. It was not a reset with Russia, was a pivot

27:36

to Asia. He put Joe Biden in charge of that.

27:38

Joe Biden just bragged last week

27:40

that he spent I don't know, you know, hundreds

27:43

of hours, was She his buddy in the foothills

27:45

of the Himalayas. Biden was put in

27:47

charge of demilitarizing the South China

27:49

Sea, making sure that the China didn't

27:51

have any more cyber taxas here in electoral property,

27:54

making sure that the Taiwan

27:56

was safe and secure. He failed on all those. They've

27:59

been totally compromises by the Chinese Comis Party.

28:01

One of the big tales. The reason you can tell that the Chinese

28:03

have no respect for them, unlike any American

28:06

president of any party. What

28:08

is what happened to Tony Blinkoln in Alaska

28:10

where they basically lectured us

28:13

for for an hour on on on State

28:15

TV that played right in China Live. They

28:17

went to Rome with Jake Sullivan about

28:19

six weeks ago and seven hours

28:22

read him the Riot Act about what was what they

28:24

were going to do with Russian and what they weren't going to do, And

28:26

then Biden had this phone call was She, of

28:28

which the Chinese put out the read out

28:30

immediately after this Ober. It takes three and a half hours

28:33

for Jen Saki in the White House to get their

28:35

lives right, and they said, oh, they warned she

28:37

the Financial Times the next Day said specifically

28:39

she warned Biden about what

28:42

they were going to do on the Eurasian land mask, so what they

28:44

were going to do as a partner of Russia,

28:46

they have no respect for them. A part of this is

28:48

a compromise on the

28:51

compromise on the Hard Drive from Hell. About

28:53

their compromised by the Chinese Commist Party asgars

28:56

money and hunter Biden with sex. He's

28:58

been honeybotted. That's obvious from their In

29:00

addition with people around him, Remember Jake

29:02

Sullivan and Tony Blank and these people all made

29:04

a lot of money being consultants

29:06

for for things associated with the Chinese

29:09

Commist Party. So the Chinese

29:11

don't have no respect for them. They've never

29:13

addressed whether it's Obama, Bush,

29:16

Trump Uh to

29:18

Clinton, They've never addressed an

29:21

American presidency with the lack of a second

29:23

quite frankly contempt and for old

29:25

China hands people know China. It's it's shocking.

29:27

Even people that are pro Biden are shocked

29:29

about the lack of respect the

29:31

Chinese Commist Party had for the Biden administration.

29:34

So we're I tell you, we're

29:36

we are heading towards a catastrophe

29:39

with this illegitimate regime a financial and economic

29:41

catastrophe. And I think now because

29:43

of the situation Ukraine and how they mishandle

29:45

it a geopolitical catastrophe. I

29:48

mean, Trump was the best foreign policy president

29:50

we've ever had in her lifetimes because everyone

29:52

who needed to fear him feared him. He

29:54

held her allies accountable. He was

29:56

right about everything with Nordstream too, and Russia,

29:58

and the list goes on. You know, holding Germany accountable

30:01

with being beholden to Russia is right

30:03

about everything. Uh. And then you know bidens

30:06

this like hapless, idiot or you know, corrupt

30:08

or whatever. Both. You know that no one respects

30:11

and and and here we are with all of this. But I

30:14

wanted to get your opinion. So everyone

30:16

talks about immigration, we talk about

30:18

what's going on at the southern board of the disaster

30:20

that it is, but I don't think anyone really

30:22

digs in and talks about the impact

30:25

of what's happening right now at the southern border

30:27

and the impact it's going to have on the country. And I know

30:29

that you understand this, and so I want to ask

30:31

you, what is the impact of

30:34

what we're seeing at the southern

30:36

border. And you know, God knows how many people

30:38

have entered the country during the Biden administration.

30:41

What's the impact of that. They tell us

30:43

it's two million cambercross last year. Remember,

30:45

on average, and this is this is statistics the

30:47

Biden administration put out on average fifty

30:51

six thousand

30:53

people per month have come across and every month

30:56

on average of the Biden administration of something. But don't

30:58

you think it's worse than that? No, No, that

31:00

that's just what they that's that's just the accounting

31:02

of who who are taken in. That's

31:05

not the getaways, the getaways or another half

31:07

of that. So you had two million, uh

31:09

come last year who less than half or sent

31:11

back across the border. He had another million

31:14

that just came across the illegally at least another

31:16

So we had two million in the country.

31:18

Remember a hundred and fifty thousand

31:21

a month? Is that total? Is the number

31:23

of troops that landed at Normandy on D

31:25

Day? We landed a hundred. We do

31:28

that every month the United States and basically come into

31:30

the country to stay. Now, that's

31:32

what title forty that's the title forty two.

31:34

And taking Title forty two off their anticipating

31:37

that works out about seven thousand a day. Titble

31:39

forty two comes off. They're projecting eighteen thousand

31:41

a day. There's gonna be five to six

31:43

million. We had two million last year. There's gonna be five

31:45

or six million coming this year. And they've already

31:48

they've they've planned this out. This is not they say,

31:50

oh, we don't have a plan. They've planned it out. Number one,

31:52

they've already deputized. And this is gonna

31:54

be challenging court as has already been challenged. They deputized.

31:57

You don't even need asylum judges anymore.

31:59

They're gonna have border patrol and other administrative

32:02

people that actually signed asylum

32:04

waivers right there in the border. Number

32:06

two, they've just they've got this. Uh, they just

32:08

announced. We found out that on Thursday, people

32:10

anna start lining up people that are outside

32:13

the boundaries. That means women, children,

32:15

families, And if you lgbt

32:17

Q and and think you're under uh

32:20

pressure by your home country, you'll be able to line

32:22

up. So now this administration is thought

32:24

this and it's not destroying the country.

32:26

This is why you're seeing this huge shift the Hispanic

32:28

folk coming our way. The republic Party

32:31

gets wrong on the on

32:33

on Mexican American citizens.

32:35

And this is what we said for years. They want safety,

32:37

security, stability, and they're very conservative

32:40

culturally, but you must get you must

32:42

secure the border. You must give them because

32:44

right now the greer of Rear Grand Valley, South Texas,

32:46

Southern Arizona, these are all controlled by

32:48

the cartels and the people that

32:51

that are are are affected. Most are

32:53

working class Hispanics in these communities.

32:56

That's why there's a huge shift in the Rear Grand

32:58

Valley, South Texas and Arizona towards

33:01

the MAGA policies towards Donald

33:03

Trump. This is the biggest political shift that we've

33:05

seen, this where the Democrats are an absolute panic. And

33:08

this is why now we take it a step farther and now

33:10

is the illegal immigration destroct This is a full

33:12

on invasion. Now uh, Now is

33:14

it destroying the country. We should stop immediately

33:16

all legal immigration. The only

33:18

way to make sure that we protect working

33:21

class Hispanics, African American,

33:23

the people under thirty five, of making

33:25

sure they get access to the high technology

33:27

jobs is we must we must

33:30

eliminate for at least now, but go on a hiatus

33:33

of any legal immigration into the country

33:35

for at least a couple of years to make sure that we

33:37

get full employment and detect jobs

33:39

by American citizens. So uh,

33:41

and like it's it's it looks

33:43

we are. We are actually hard accord than President

33:46

Trump in that regard, Steve Gritez,

33:48

Peter Novarro, myself, others of these

33:50

economic nationalists. But we think

33:52

it's incumbent upon us to do this right

33:54

now. And folks gotta understand something.

33:57

We do not have a vital national

33:59

security enter rist or I would argue

34:01

any national security interests in a

34:03

dispute on the eastern borders

34:05

of Russian speaking Ukraine. Okay,

34:08

the as the administration says, the sovereignty,

34:11

the territoral integrity, and the self determination

34:13

of the Ukrainian people is just not a vital

34:15

national security interest for US. It may be a

34:17

vital national security interest for Europe.

34:19

And if so, Germany should stop buying the gas

34:22

and France should should should

34:25

take the place in the United States and escalating this

34:27

conflict of what mccron is not, he's going in the opposite

34:29

direction. So if those two kind it's a European

34:31

problem and they should deal with it, okay,

34:33

And we're always prepared to help, But it's

34:36

not the vital that it's not. What's

34:38

vital is the invasion on the southern board that

34:40

will destroy this nation. So obviously

34:42

it's intentional, right, Like they know what they're doing. I mean,

34:44

you don't just go in and remove all the policies

34:47

at working along the southern border, like remain in

34:49

Mexico, you know, etcetera. You don't just

34:51

get rid of those. I mean, it's intentional.

34:54

So why are they doing it? Well,

34:56

I think what they're doing is that they were I think I

34:58

think I think number one, the oligarchs,

35:01

the wealthy in the Democratic Party one cheap

35:03

labor, and they also want the votes. They feel

35:05

that they can really change a big

35:07

part of the the electorate by

35:09

having two million people coming here, having five

35:11

or six million people come in was they feel

35:13

that they will be able to turn those people into

35:15

the Democratic Party. History shows

35:18

that if you hear long enough, you understand

35:20

the scam the Democratic Party is is not you

35:22

become Actually somebody's prepared to support megapolicies.

35:25

But clearly they're they're trying to

35:27

change the basic basic demographics

35:30

of the electorate. Also, remember they want the

35:32

Republican Party Chamber Commerce wants

35:35

the cheap labor to This is why

35:37

Texas has always had such a problem. This

35:39

is why you don't see from the establishment

35:42

Republicans in Texas and Arizona. You

35:44

don't see a lot of You see some

35:46

happy talk about the border, but you don't see

35:48

any state enforcement. They're always looking to

35:50

blame it on the federal government. There's a lot of states

35:52

can do, and you don't see this happening. The scam

35:54

here is that the Republican

35:57

establishment participates in the in the

35:59

in the lower wages right caused

36:01

by illego immigration. The Democrats also like

36:04

it, particularly the Wall Street and and and

36:06

Will corporation Democrats. But the Democratic

36:08

Party feels with the NGOs and the source backed

36:11

NGOs. They can capture a lot of new voters.

36:13

So but the people that pay

36:16

for this. Remember, every states of border state.

36:18

Every town's a border town. Some of the worst

36:20

problems with sent in all these drugs is in

36:22

places like Ohio, West Virginia, Western

36:25

Pennsylvania, Michigan. So

36:27

every town has become a border town. Every states

36:29

of border states. I think one of the big

36:32

reasons that Trump is so popular in Ohio because

36:34

of his border policies. So this is a national

36:37

this is a really an existential problem. I have to

36:39

think, Lisa, it will be the first

36:41

uh, it will be the first item of impeachment,

36:44

article of impeachment when Trump, when Biden comes, and

36:46

I strongly believe Biden will be impeached

36:48

by the House after their investigation,

36:50

not like they tried to do at President Trump. I think the first

36:53

article will be his initiation

36:56

and exacerbation of the

36:58

invasion on the Southern Board or I think

37:00

the Hunter Biden laptop will be another all

37:03

the aspects of that, and I think Fauci

37:05

and what they knew about Faucci, CDC, FDA

37:08

and Health with help from the American people will be the

37:10

third. So and I do believe

37:12

that Joe Biden will be impeach I don't believe he'll be

37:14

removed from office because I don't think they're

37:16

votes there in the in the in the Senate right now. But

37:18

I do believe that Biden will be impeached after

37:20

a thorough, in complete investigation,

37:23

not not this political operation

37:25

that the Democrats did well And how much

37:28

do you think it's about just contempt

37:30

for the American way of life? I mean, this

37:32

might be a twisted way to look at it. But you know,

37:34

obviously the left hates our constitution.

37:36

They don't view America in the way that our

37:38

founding fathers did. That's enshrined in the Constitution.

37:41

So if you let in countless people from

37:43

around the world that don't share our values, that don't

37:45

believe in America, that don't share a patriotism,

37:47

obviously that changes the way of life. Right. I

37:50

don't think it's twisted at all. I think you're absolutely

37:52

despot on. I think it's also a big issue with the

37:55

refugee situation. Look at look at

37:57

some of the centers of the refugee situation where the

37:59

Samalians or others that have

38:01

been let in willie nilly and allowed

38:03

to congret. In fact, the policy was to allow the congrety

38:06

so they can get a political base. No, I don't think these

38:08

I don't think these folks support what

38:10

I call traditional Americanism by this, I don't think

38:12

they do. And I think it's got to be a big political

38:14

issue. I think that's why he's seeing the big reaction

38:17

from across the spectrum,

38:19

from Hispanic from African Americans. Remember,

38:22

right now, there's there's a there's a in

38:24

this in the Rio Grand Valley in South Texas,

38:27

you have maga Republican candidates,

38:29

many of them women, that looked like

38:31

they could win the general they won the primaries

38:33

or they're gonna win the general election. In Minneapolis

38:36

against olmor you have Royce White and African

38:38

American, his fourth generation Minnesota, a big

38:40

basketball star up there who's running against

38:42

her in a Republican primary, and he's taken the heat

38:44

to her every day. So

38:47

uh, you know, and this guy's a fire breathing Christian

38:50

and not prepared to back off one iota. So I think

38:52

you're seeing this across races across the country.

38:54

This is why we're in a cauldron

38:56

right now on the new form of politics.

38:59

And I think you're in a mega candidates

39:01

of of of Hispanic,

39:04

Asian, African American, a

39:06

lot of women candidates, a lot of moms

39:09

because this whole attack on American culture

39:11

I think is focused on the American family. And you can

39:13

see this whether it's the wold corporations like Disney,

39:16

or you can see it in the education. And that's

39:18

why someone like Ronda Santis I think

39:20

is stepping forward and becoming a populist hero because

39:23

of what he's doing and when he's backing off. But it's the moms

39:25

of America that are there every day,

39:28

taken on the school boards and when I when I say

39:30

to take down the Democratic Party this November

39:32

as a national political institution

39:35

is just not the House in the Senate. It really

39:37

starts at the It starts at the

39:39

election boards, it starts at the school

39:42

boards, it starts at the precinct committee

39:44

structure. Today there's three articles, one in

39:46

the Hill and two two politicals to lead

39:48

stories today are about Democrats

39:51

now raising eighty million dollars to to

39:53

to confront the Trump movements

39:55

taking over election boards. This is one of the

39:57

things we've been working on since November

40:01

is actually we will never allow this to happen again. It's

40:03

a huge effort for people to go in and win election

40:05

seats, become election workers poll workers,

40:07

but also take over election boards. The Democrats

40:10

are panicking now, they're just two stories in Political

40:12

and one in the Hill today that they've got to confront this. So

40:15

we are going to contest the Democratic Party

40:17

at every level, including school boards,

40:20

election boards, I think, medical boards, at

40:22

precincts for the Republican Party, and then

40:25

at at at county supervisors all the

40:27

way up to the House in the Senate. So, and

40:29

I think you're going to see a shattering

40:31

of the Democratic Party. One wing of the

40:34

the new Democratic Party will

40:36

be the progressive kind of green party

40:38

of of Omar in the squad in an OC.

40:41

The other will be the neoliberal neo Kahn

40:43

of aspect of Wall Street, in the World

40:46

Corporation, the Nation Security apperas as personified

40:48

by Liz Cheney and Hillary Clinton.

40:50

Do you think that's why the Democratic Control

40:53

Congress is gunning for you so hard with

40:55

the contempt of Congress stuff in a relation to January

40:57

six, Well, look, I think they're gonna from

40:59

a on the whole rafter thing. But I'm

41:02

just just like they're gounner from President Company. Anybody

41:04

ready, Mike Flynn or anybody. I don't

41:06

know. I don't think I get singled

41:08

out. I just get thrown into the bunch and there there after.

41:10

Yeah, this law fair. They're gonna try to do everything here. It's

41:13

very simple people, you know. They don't like to

41:15

mention. I've testified more

41:17

than anybody associated with Donald Trump at the

41:19

House UH in the Mola Commission,

41:22

House Intel Mola Commission, and the

41:24

Senate Intel because the President at

41:26

that time exerted executive privilege then eased

41:28

up on certain elements of it. And when

41:30

he did, at his direction, I wouldn't testify

41:32

it. I think I gave a hundred hours of if you add

41:35

it all up, I think I said, I don't know sixty

41:37

seventy eight hundred hours test

41:39

about testifying from the fact that the d o

41:41

J specifically came out on the

41:43

case on Friday, and did they do not

41:45

want a jury to hear that? They say in

41:47

my case if if we go to trial, they're

41:50

saying that jury should not hear that.

41:52

I actually testified when

41:54

when the issues about separation of powers

41:56

and the executive privilege. Look, the president,

41:58

I states, and it filled U Sreme Court of somebody

42:01

tells me otherwise he exerted executive

42:03

privilege. Okay, his executive

42:05

privilege is very wide. My attorney

42:07

and everything we looked at and he said, uh,

42:10

you know, this was all legit. And so

42:12

that's why I didn't go. And I'm not not prepared to go. And

42:14

if this has to fight through the courts, it has to

42:16

fight through the court, so be it. But no,

42:19

until this gets worked out in President Trump to

42:21

me at the time in uh in

42:23

that time period was the

42:25

President of States had executive pros. My attorney

42:28

and my attorney my team walked

42:30

through that and and and reinforced them and said,

42:32

yes, that's what is. I depended upon their advice,

42:35

which I think most logical people would is what

42:37

I depended upon every other time that I

42:39

went in front of the House Intel or the Senate

42:41

Intel, or the Molar Commission. So

42:44

no, I think, look, whatever

42:46

happens, happens, but I'm not going to back down.

42:48

I'll never back down an inch. I'm certainly not going to back

42:50

down an inch from a

42:53

little Jamie Raskin and shifty shifts on the

42:55

bogus committee. It's a total bogus committee.

42:57

And I'm never going to back down in front

42:59

of Mayor Garland and anybody that would go after

43:02

American mothers and fathers

43:04

that are there to defend the innocence of

43:06

their child and make sure they get the best education, and

43:09

to call them domestic terrorists, or to call

43:11

the people out in Arizona trying to get to the bombs

43:13

no remember criminals. Uh No,

43:17

we will defeat them, will defeat them at

43:19

the ballot box. And then we're gonna start throwing

43:21

these bums out. Well, I think that was the big mistake

43:23

the left did, which we saw what happened

43:25

in Virginia is it was like people kind

43:27

of took a beating with COVID and everything else

43:29

that was going on, and then once it hit their kids

43:31

with critical race theory and what we saw at Aloud in

43:33

County, with you know, what was going

43:35

on in the schools, it was like that was a turning

43:37

point. And then now we've got you know, they're trying

43:40

to fight Florida and parental rights.

43:42

It seems like that was sort of the catalyst for change

43:44

and people just saying, you know what, enough, this is crazy.

43:47

I think the irony is, you're exactly right. I think when

43:49

parents were at home, because

43:52

you know, parents are so busy and they're working jobs. I

43:54

mean, they love their children and they're there

43:56

for their children, but they weren't there actually

43:58

in the school every day. And I think the

44:00

irony of this is that it was parents

44:03

using the computer and making sure that their

44:05

kids were paying attention and being active

44:08

that the parents start seeing was being taught. And I

44:10

think the moms of America were in shock

44:13

that absolutely came from the pandemic. Then

44:16

you saw parents, moms and dad's going

44:18

and it was about I called this back in May,

44:20

was going to be about the mass mandates,

44:23

in the vaccine mandates. When when stuff

44:25

She came out in February and gave that interview to the Associate

44:28

Press and said, what we're gonna do is really

44:30

it's all about the school children were starting high schools,

44:32

go to middle school, and then go to the children. By

44:34

the end of the year. This is a May I said,

44:36

Hey, the biggest battleground is going to be the

44:39

school boards and these PTA meetings, in these

44:41

in the school board meetings, on the vaccine

44:43

mandates, on the vacs, on the mass mandates,

44:46

and an addition, critical race theory because

44:48

the mother's and had had to deal

44:51

with all this. And look, the

44:53

mother the moms of America are there,

44:55

the chief operating presidents and chief operating

44:57

officers of the family. They

45:00

know what the cost of food is, they know what the cost of

45:02

transportation is, they know what's going on in

45:04

their children's life. And you've seen across the

45:06

board and what's so powerful about that part of the movement.

45:08

Many of these women are not Trump fans.

45:11

They did not vote for Trump. They have not supported

45:13

Donald Trump. They just don't. They're just not

45:15

maga. But they are bought

45:17

into this and this is a crushing

45:20

blow to the Democratic Party. There's some

45:22

of the reasons I think we're gonna have a massive landslide

45:24

if we do our work between now and November, the

45:27

next two hundred days, because the mothers

45:30

are the vanguard of the change

45:32

in this country and changed for the positive too,

45:34

because I think they found they saw exactly

45:37

what was going down in in the in the public school

45:39

system and here and obviously a

45:41

lot of the the private schools

45:43

too. Here's the thing I think is most important

45:45

is that this is most visited on minority

45:48

students. Remember, minority students don't really have

45:50

the option of going to private school, many

45:52

of them. So this was upon African

45:54

American and Hispanic kids. And man,

45:56

those parents. Remember the African American

45:58

community around the fan least very conservative,

46:01

as is the Hispanic community. And I think

46:03

now they're open to our economic ideas

46:06

too. And I think this is why I've seen a tectonic plate

46:08

shift in the in the in the American

46:10

body politics quick break Morris

46:13

Steve Bannon like

46:17

why is the left doubling down

46:19

so much on the Florida parental rights

46:22

bill? I mean, I think the vast majority of Americans

46:24

believe for kids under eight, there is absolutely

46:26

no reason teachers should be talking to kids

46:28

about these sensitive topics. So

46:30

why is the left so zeroed in on something

46:33

that is maybe supported by like five percent

46:35

of the population. It's it's because I think it's so

46:37

endemic in in in the in the Will

46:39

culture that drives the social culture

46:41

in the Democratic Party. I just think it's a big part

46:43

of the activist space. I think it's a big part of the

46:46

Will Corporation, is a big part of Hollywood, It's a

46:48

big part of Silicon Valley, it's a big

46:50

part of who the It's five percent of overall

46:52

because it's almost zero percent of working class

46:54

fan who particularly African American and Hispanic,

46:57

but it's huge when you get into the elite. So you just

46:59

look at the you mentioned the beginning coastal

47:01

elites. It's part of it. It's ingrained

47:04

into their identity. And this is why

47:06

it is, Uh, it's a fight that they're not going to back

47:08

off one. This is a this is a defining

47:10

moment in in in the cultural wars

47:13

in the United States. This is going to be a defining

47:15

moment in Ron De Santis

47:17

going a cola against Republican orthodoxy

47:20

and taking on not simply a

47:22

company, but the most significant

47:24

company in the state of Florida. Uh.

47:26

And he's taking it on big league. I mean, he's good.

47:29

They're gonna go back and challenge Disney's kind

47:31

of medici like, uh, you know,

47:33

they ruled themselves like Florence back in h

47:35

in the in Renaissance Italy as its

47:37

own city state. Rond Santis are

47:39

going to the absolute core the Disney's

47:41

economic model for Florida. So the Santis

47:44

are taking on something very courageous and doesn't look

47:46

like they're going to back down now. So this is one

47:48

that people got to stay very closely

47:50

attuned to because they're going to drive much else. I

47:52

think you're my big problem with the Republican

47:54

Party. It's been to focus on tax cuts and deregulation

47:58

just for these big corporations. I've said for a long

48:00

time, these corporations are not conservative.

48:02

Okay, They're just not conservative.

48:05

They're run by a small elite that you

48:07

know, all go to the same business school, the same law

48:09

schools come out the same IVY or IVY equivalent

48:11

UH schools. They have this kind of UH

48:14

indoctrination in this ideology, and

48:16

it's quite different than than working class American,

48:18

particularly different than mainstream America.

48:21

It's a radical it's a radical it's

48:23

a radical ideology, and people are seeing that now

48:25

as you see this business and Disney. I think people you

48:27

said, you don't think it's right for kids

48:30

in the three I happen to don't think it's

48:32

right this type of discussion about

48:35

sexual preference, gender all that.

48:37

That is things that should be discussed by

48:39

the family when the family wants

48:41

to discussion. The public school and the

48:43

government should not be involved in any of that. And

48:46

I think maybe if somebody's in high school for

48:48

some hygiene reasons or whatever, maybe

48:50

you have to do something. But I think that's the purview

48:52

of the family and I and hey, African

48:55

American Hispanic families will agree with me.

48:58

And I think that's what's leading to this to

49:00

this big techtonic plate shift. And you're seeing American

49:02

moms, many of whom are are our middle

49:05

of the road independence Democrats are even

49:07

slightly liberal, are all in this thing

49:09

about the moms taking back over the school board. So the

49:11

bulk of this is are not Trump

49:13

supporters quad Trump supporters, people that

49:16

were with us in sixteen or twenty on the economic

49:18

or more of the populous issues. This is a whole new aspect

49:21

that we've that we've garnered here. And you throw

49:23

the mass man thates in and now the vaccine,

49:26

you open up to a whole new category

49:28

of people. And so I think these fights are you know, a

49:30

judge, just a young female judge,

49:32

federal judge, I think just ruled this afternoon

49:35

that the government can't mandate mask

49:37

anymore. There's gonna be another huge fight. So

49:39

these are are fights every day, and someone like

49:42

Rhonda Santez is really showing I think

49:44

extreme leadership in this uh to

49:46

show the country have we gotten so far off

49:48

of off track? I totally agree. I was

49:50

just referencing the age group included in the

49:52

bill. I agree with your broader point about the governments.

49:55

That should be the family's job, not the government. Let's

49:58

go to that. But look at the media. The media. The media never

50:00

says, the media never says makes

50:02

your qualification. The media never

50:05

talks about It's from I seek third

50:07

grade down or something right. Uh,

50:09

the media never talks about that. They say,

50:11

you know, they usually put up high school students or college

50:13

students as the ones that have been offended

50:16

most by it, so because

50:19

I think they know it's even it's an impossible

50:21

cell. There is no reason to have these

50:23

kind of conversations with young children, right.

50:26

We have to protect the innocence of young children,

50:28

and I have to think personally it should

50:30

be all the way up to at least high school. But and I

50:32

think you're seeing Florida, Uh, Lisa,

50:35

I think you'll see changes to that builder actually extended

50:38

out quite a bit because I think it more people

50:40

see this, the more they're shocked

50:42

and outraged by it. I agree is

50:44

Steve Benna, You're a fascinating man. I could

50:46

literally talk to you forever about every issue.

50:49

You know, Is there anything else you want to leave

50:51

us with? I just I just think now that's

50:53

why I'm so glad people like you have podcasts.

50:56

Now. I think it's time for ever in your audiences

50:58

to become a force multiplayer. Take

51:00

this content and just push it out. The people

51:02

should be immersing themselves. You

51:04

know, it's not about your mind, It's not about don't you know, it's

51:06

not about donating to parties. It's

51:08

about the way we're taking this country

51:10

back is village by village, uh

51:13

school board by school board, election board

51:15

by election board. And what you have to do is immerse

51:17

yourself in information, immerse

51:19

yourself and information, become a force multiplier,

51:22

and then get to work. You know, this is the time that we

51:24

can't be passive. We can't be sitting on

51:26

the sofa just watching television

51:29

and and and watching the news channels all of that that. You

51:31

have to engage. And it's going to

51:33

be it's not Donald Trump

51:35

or Rohnda Santras or Lisa Booth or Steve Banashawan,

51:38

Handy Tucker Carlson. We're,

51:40

at the end of the day, not the ones that's gonna make a difference.

51:42

The people are gonna make the difference at the deck

51:44

plate levels. And that's why I'm so proud

51:47

that from election boards, the precinct strategies,

51:49

to medical boards and particularly the school boards,

51:51

you're seeing the American you're seeing this participatory

51:54

populism. So I just think it's fantastic

51:56

and I would tell all your all

51:58

your listeners to just make sure you push

52:01

your content out. Steve big fan of

52:03

yours. I really appreciate time today this I learned

52:05

a lot from you, and this is a really interesting and fascinating

52:07

conversation. So I truly appreciate your time.

52:10

Same same, ma'am. Thank you so much for if I'm

52:12

a really honest

52:16

Yeah. I

52:18

really hope you enjoyed that conversation with Steve

52:20

Bann. I mean, I told you the guy was interesting. He's

52:22

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