0:00

Joe Biden's Department of Justice is

0:02

now targeting pro life Americans.

0:04

Mark Hoke is a father of seven.

0:07

He's a husband. He is a co founder and president

0:09

of The King's Men, which is a Catholic ministry

0:12

that aims to mentor young Catholic men. He

0:14

often peacefully protests outside of abortion

0:17

clinics, just trying to encourage women to

0:19

choose life, to make a different decision,

0:21

to know that there are other options besides

0:23

death, besides murdering your child. But

0:26

on September twenty three, in front of his wife,

0:28

in front of his seven children, the

0:30

FBI showed up. They showed up at his home in Bucks

0:33

County, Pennsylvania. They shut up with

0:35

ballistic shields with long guns,

0:37

battering Ram and arrested Mark.

0:39

They charged them under the Federal Freedom

0:42

of Access to Clinic Entrances Act,

0:44

otherwise known as the FACE Act. So the question

0:46

is why, and when you go through the facts of the

0:48

case, it makes no sense. When

0:50

you go through the facts, there's so many discrepancies

0:53

with the Department of Justice's claims in

0:55

the indictment. We're going to go through the facts

0:57

of this case with Mark's attorney, Matt

1:00

Fron who works for the Thomas Morris

1:02

Society, a pro life organization. We're

1:04

going to go through the facts so you have them, so

1:07

you can share them and you can bring this

1:09

information to others, because what is happening in America

1:11

is wrong. What the Department of Justice,

1:14

what Merrick Garland is doing, is evil. This

1:16

is evil in America, the targeting

1:19

of pro life Americans. And it's not just this

1:21

case either. The Department of Justice also charged

1:23

eleven pro life advocates with federal

1:25

charges related to a two thousand one

1:27

protest at a Tennessee abortion

1:29

clinic. Where were they when people were

1:32

fire bombing pro life centers

1:34

in America? Where were where we're Where was the FBI

1:36

when churches were burnt down? There weren't

1:39

any arrest in those cases. But you're going

1:41

to target an American citizen

1:43

for being pro life, you know what they're trying

1:45

to do, Just like they're going after people

1:47

who question the election to make

1:49

them shut up, to get conservatives

1:51

to no longer question elections. It's

1:53

the same thing here. They want you, if

1:56

you believe in life, if you're pro life,

1:58

to shut up. Don't you dare ago and

2:00

try to encourage young women to make a different

2:02

decision. Don't you dare try to encourage

2:05

young women to choose life. It's despicable

2:07

and it's wrong. We're gonna talk to Matt

2:09

Heffron about the facts of the case

2:12

and we're gonna bring it all to you, So stay

2:14

tuned for this interview with Matt Heffron, who's representing

2:16

Mark Coke. So

2:27

math first of all,

2:30

as pro life Americans,

2:33

it's horrendous and sad. What happened

2:35

to your client Mark.

2:37

He's a father of seven, husband,

2:40

the co founder and president of The King'smen,

2:43

a Catholic ministry that aims to

2:45

spiritually mentor young Catholic men.

2:47

He peacefully protests outside of abortion

2:50

clinics. Tell us a little bit about

2:52

your client and the

2:54

work that he's done. Well, sure, Li says

2:56

I heard you describe him. I just think to myself, chuckling

2:59

to myself, that's your gonna have a defendant

3:01

to represent. You can't think of

3:03

one much more sympathetic, nicer

3:06

guy than than Mark Haalk. I

3:08

mean, we always that all

3:10

of our clients were so uh,

3:13

such good people, and we'll we'll

3:15

vibe so well with the with the jury. Mark

3:19

is u is a guy. If you talk to him, he's

3:21

just a kind, kind hearted guy.

3:24

Uh. He and his wife raising seven

3:26

kids. UH. Really developed

3:29

Catholics. No violence in his

3:31

background at all. U. And he

3:33

has devoted his life trying to improve

3:37

the response of men, particularly

3:40

to be better fathers and husbands. UM.

3:43

He spends a

3:45

couple of days a week, at least one day a week

3:48

driving to Philadelphia where he stands up peacefully

3:50

on the corner outside of an abortion

3:52

clinic, oftentimes saying the Rosary

3:55

as he was in the day in question, and

3:57

engaging people in conversation.

4:00

UM. And never

4:02

in his wildest dreams. I don't think did

4:05

he ever thought. I think he'd see fully

4:07

armed federal agents storming

4:09

his house as he got up in

4:11

the morning. Has happened just

4:14

last last month, and and that

4:16

was on September. And I

4:18

want to get to that day. But I

4:20

want to start at where this begins, because

4:23

the FBI charged them under the Federal

4:25

Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances

4:28

Act. It stems back to October

4:31

two thousand twenty one. He was accused

4:33

of pushing a man, Bruce Love, after

4:37

Bruce verbally harassed Mark's awe

4:39

year old son Take us through what happened

4:41

on that day on October and

4:45

no, many of them uh would actually

4:47

chain themselves to the door of abortion

4:49

clinics and barricade the door and so on

4:52

and so forth, coming and you sit in so

4:54

that the abortion clinics could not operate

4:57

while they were there. And the idea

4:59

was to shut them down for a day or two. Uh,

5:01

And it was very effective. And eventually

5:03

the federal government, including a lot of pro life Republicans,

5:06

assigned on the Space Act, the

5:08

Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act,

5:11

which gave real draconian uh penalties

5:14

for anyone who did that, including jail

5:16

time and and so on and so forth.

5:19

Uh. It has been really aggressively

5:23

pursued both under the Obama administration

5:25

and even now more under the Biden administration

5:28

to attack provif ers. Um

5:32

and so um. What happened

5:34

to this cause? You asked for a chronology, Here's where

5:36

I'll start, and you stop me. I'm

5:39

going on too long. But um

5:41

in well, for for years

5:44

Mark has been going to this clinic and

5:46

praying peacefully outside. And

5:48

four years various of the

5:51

abortion activists outside of the clinic

5:53

they called themselves escorts, sometimes

5:55

they're called death escorts. But

5:58

variously these abortion activists made

6:00

it their reason to be there to

6:03

try to disrupt the prayer, to get in

6:05

the face of the pro life people,

6:08

to try to egg them on. And this is going on

6:10

across all over the country. We get

6:12

calls all the time on absolutely

6:14

outlandish and outrageous activities

6:17

by these death course and it was happening

6:19

there in Philadelphia as well. So Mark

6:21

Howk was well known

6:23

to the abortion activist whose

6:25

name is Bruce Love. And

6:28

on the day in question, Mark

6:31

happened to be across the street from the abortion clinic,

6:34

and he engaged a young woman in front

6:36

of the conversation and basically escorted

6:39

her towards the UH,

6:41

the building across the street from the clinic, which

6:43

is a pregnancy resource center, that is, people

6:46

are offering alternatives to abortion.

6:49

And as they were walking down the street

6:51

towards the pregnancy resource

6:54

center, Bruce Love darted across

6:56

from the abortion clinic and pushed

6:58

himself in between Mark and a young woman

7:00

and then failed to get out of the way.

7:02

And there may or may not have been a little bit of shoving

7:05

there, but nothing, nothing untour, no big deal.

7:08

Uh And

7:10

and then later in the day after that

7:12

brief incident, Um Mark

7:15

was standing on the corner fifty ft

7:17

from the inn entrance of the

7:19

abortion clinic, and he was

7:21

standing in the corner quietly praying

7:24

his rosary with his twelve year old son, and

7:27

was typical of the activities, particularly

7:29

of this Bruce Love. Um

7:32

was that Bruce typically would come

7:34

and then start harassing a little

7:36

boy. And he often thought Bruce Love

7:38

was notorious for saying obscene, just

7:41

vulgar things, uh in front

7:43

of women and children who were praying on the sidewalk,

7:46

And this was no There was just typical

7:48

day for Bruce and he started harassing and saying

7:51

really nasty things to the little boy about

7:53

his father. And finally Mark how

7:55

care clients, said that was enough of that and told

7:58

him and knowing certain turn terms, to leave

8:00

his little boy alone. And boost Love started

8:03

to walk away, and then he came back

8:05

again to give the little boy some

8:07

more harassment. And at that point, Mark I

8:10

think, like any father, had had enough

8:12

and gave boost Love a shell and boost

8:14

happened to fall down. You can

8:16

see all this a second incident on a video. Boosts

8:19

happened to fall down, got right back up, no parentage

8:22

at all, and went

8:24

inside and then called the police.

8:28

And the police arrived and

8:30

they talked to the parties and they saw

8:32

the scrape and that's all. It was a scrape on Boost's

8:35

arm. And they say they sat told

8:37

everyone there, there's nothing for us here. We're

8:39

leaving no charges to be filed.

8:42

And that's the common sense approach,

8:44

that's what you'd expect. And that's

8:46

where it should have ended. Um, not even

8:48

a misdemeanor assault under Pennsylvania

8:51

law. But Pennsylvania has a peculiar

8:53

provisionally peculiar to me UM,

8:55

and that is where they all allow people to file

8:58

what are known as private liminal actions

9:00

as opposed to civil action, which is for damages

9:03

or criminal actions. And so

9:05

boot Love went down to the courthouse

9:07

and filed a private criminal action

9:10

and there for minor infractions like

9:12

this. Uh. And that should

9:14

have ended in some sort of mediation

9:16

where a judge and the parties talking out. UH.

9:19

But on five different occasions

9:22

the judge scheduled this for a mediation. On

9:24

five different occasions, Boost Love did not

9:27

show up. Mark how showed up

9:29

every time, and finally the judge

9:31

in questions said, well you know this is nonsense,

9:33

and I'm going to dismiss the case. And the case was dismissed

9:37

shortly after. That was when

9:39

I got involved because the

9:41

federal government now, seeing

9:43

that neither the state government considered

9:45

this a misdemeanor assault, and that even

9:47

the lower level judge dismissed the case

9:49

on the private criminal complaint.

9:51

Now the federal government steps in, deciding

9:54

that this is really a federal case, and they

9:57

send our client mark how what's

10:00

as a target letter? And a target

10:02

letter tells the person

10:04

who gets it that you're probably going to get indicted.

10:07

Would you like to come in and testify? No, no

10:09

client in the right mind, and certainly no white

10:12

color defense attorney as I used to be whenever

10:14

let their client come in and talk. But what you

10:17

do, and what I did was

10:19

called the federal prosecutor and I called

10:21

her once she didn't answer, So

10:23

a few days later I called again, and

10:26

a few days later she still hadn't answered. Quite

10:28

honestly, I've never had that happened to me before, and

10:31

so I thought, well, if she did send a target letter,

10:33

and maybe I better I sent her better get

10:35

in touch with her by writing if she's not courteous

10:38

enough to answer my phone calls, and

10:40

so I wrote her an email, and in

10:43

the email, I stated

10:45

what the law was right in her very courthouse.

10:49

And we knew what that law was because I'm a member

10:51

of the Thomas More Society and a couple of

10:53

our other attorneys had been involved

10:55

in the very case three years previously,

10:57

under almost the exact same facts

11:00

in which a federal court, a federal judge

11:02

in that courthouse said, these

11:04

facts do not amount to a face

11:06

prosecution. And

11:09

so I know at that point that

11:12

the federal prosecutor knew that case. It's called

11:14

Ellentown Abortion Center of Allentown

11:17

Center versus so p c O.

11:20

I knew she knew about that case. And I also did something

11:23

typically I always did for my white colored clients,

11:25

and that is tell the federal

11:27

prosecutor that if you disagree

11:29

with me, and if you're going to indict my client, please

11:31

just let me know, and I will accept

11:34

the summons to court on behalf

11:36

of my client, will set a date and we'll walk

11:38

our guy and he'll come in voluntarily. And

11:41

in all of my career, some twenty years

11:43

after I left the Federal Prosecutor's office,

11:46

twenty years as a defense attorney, I have

11:48

never had a federal prosecutor not honor

11:50

that this is the first time

11:53

in this case. On the twenty three,

11:56

UM, I got a phone call the first time I

11:58

heard from this particular federals here, and

12:01

she's calling me only to tell me that they had already

12:03

arrested my client and that he would

12:05

have an initial appearance

12:07

in court in an hour and a half. And

12:10

of course I'm not on site

12:12

in Philadelphia, so it's impossible for me. But

12:15

that is walking through, if you

12:17

will, the facts. Um,

12:19

the facts that have gotten most notoriety we

12:21

haven't talked about yet, and that is the actual arrest

12:23

of Mark how quick commercial

12:26

break back with Matt Heffron. So,

12:35

Matt, my understanding is the first

12:38

time you heard from the U S Attorney and

12:40

Needy Eve was three months

12:42

after you reached out saying hey,

12:45

we'll work with you in a voluntary

12:47

basis. I think my emails

12:49

on June ninth, and if

12:52

if the initial appearances

12:54

on the twenty three, that would be the like the

12:56

time. Yeah. Also my understanding,

12:59

the Federalist has done great job reporting of

13:01

this, Margot Cleveland, and it

13:03

seems like with what the Justice

13:05

Descartment wrote in their indictment are

13:08

in contradiction to the facts. For

13:10

instance, it alleges

13:13

that your client Mark

13:16

shoved Bruce Love to the ground as

13:18

he attempted to escort to Planned

13:20

Parenthood patients. However, in

13:22

the private state criminal

13:24

complaint filed by Love, he

13:27

was waiting for clients. Can you talk

13:29

about the discrepancy and why it's important

13:31

to the case. Yeah, face

13:35

under which this case was charred. The freedom of

13:37

access to clinic entrances at only

13:40

deals with such things as

13:42

interfering, harassing, Uh,

13:45

in order to stop women from engaging

13:47

in reproductive health. And

13:49

if there are no women there, Uh,

13:51

there was no one there who was trying to engage and reproductive

13:54

health. H, then there could not be

13:57

a face violation. And

14:00

I told you one of these two instances

14:03

was captured on the security camera

14:07

of the abortion clinic. And

14:09

clearly there is no one, no

14:12

no women approaching, no one approaching

14:14

the abortion clinic for any

14:16

sort of reproductive abortion services.

14:19

So um, they have a major

14:21

problem there. There's another incident.

14:23

I don't know if the Federalist article COVID this or

14:26

not. Another discrepancy, and that is

14:29

that Bruce Love said in his private

14:31

criminal complaint that he wrote out that

14:35

he was trying to walk away when he got

14:37

shoved, and the

14:40

clinic video shows real

14:42

clearly he was walking towards

14:45

Mark's son, towards where Mark and

14:47

the Sun were when Mark

14:49

engaged in the second time, because

14:51

he'd already told him to leave the Sun alone. So

14:54

yeah, there there's some major discrepancies there.

14:57

And uh, we're

15:00

very confident in this case these are bad facts

15:02

and bad law for the Department

15:05

of Justice. And I say that with a little

15:07

bit of a wu in

15:09

that it should be the Department of Injustice

15:12

as far as I'm concerned. The way they're using, um

15:16

uh, the space statue to to basically

15:18

attacked Biden administration

15:22

opponents, if you will, people who are clearly

15:24

not in line with the Biden administrations

15:27

radical pro abortion ideology.

15:29

Well, and it seems like pretty basic facts

15:31

to mess up as well important facts

15:34

to mess up. I want to get

15:36

to the day of the arrest September

15:40

and estimated of fifteen police vehicles,

15:42

about twenty law enforcement officers,

15:45

ballistic shields, long guns,

15:47

and battering ram descended on

15:50

Mark's home in front of

15:52

his wife, in front of his seven children talk

15:55

about that day. I imagine that had

15:57

been incredibly traumatic for the family.

16:00

Yeah, I was on the phone

16:02

a couple of times with Ryan read that they

16:04

complete shot to them.

16:07

Although in the abortion context

16:09

anymore, you've gotta be ready for the unexpected.

16:12

Um. But nonetheless, who would

16:14

have thought that when

16:16

they when he was willing to come in at any time,

16:19

that they would show upon his doorstep at

16:21

seven o'clock in the morning. Also, I mean,

16:24

if you really wanted to find Mark Howk and

16:26

wanted to arrest him in with

16:28

the least amount of trouble, Uh, probably

16:31

the best place to find him would be there on

16:33

the corner outside the abortion clinic, where

16:35

he's known to be quite off night praying his rod.

16:38

So there's no reason, none whatsoever

16:40

to make this arrest at seven o'clock in the morning

16:43

and storm in with with that sort of firepower.

16:47

I can tell you I used to be in charge of

16:49

one of the criminal units for the Federal Prosecutor's

16:51

unit in Phoenix, Arizona. I was the lead

16:54

attorney for their organized crime drug enforcement

16:56

unit. Uh. The only

16:58

time we went in with this sort of our power

17:01

was when number one, UH,

17:03

the defendant potential defendant

17:06

was a dangerous person and had

17:09

known proclivity for violence,

17:12

or number two was a flight risk. Now

17:14

think of those two things in

17:17

comparison to Mark how and absolutely

17:19

peaceful religious guy,

17:22

no violence has passed whatsoever, and

17:25

the second of all flight risk with seven kids.

17:27

Are you kidding? So there's no reason,

17:30

no reason to do this other than uh

17:34

that this is the way they Department

17:36

of Injustice now is willing to punish.

17:39

Uh, it's political opponents, people who

17:41

do not fall fall into the correct ideology.

17:44

And it also coite honestly discussed

17:47

this a bit among ourselves. This is is

17:49

apparently meant to send a message

17:52

to pro lifers, to peaceful citizens.

17:54

I mean, I I know a lot of

17:56

these people, and uh,

17:59

buying law are every single

18:01

one I've ever met was a peaceful, prayer,

18:04

prayerful sort of person. Uh,

18:06

these are not people who have dangerous in the

18:08

least. And so the environment

18:10

of justice now is is being used

18:14

used as a political weapon

18:17

against common citizens. Well, and it also

18:19

seems completely unnecessary considering

18:22

the fact you already reached out why

18:24

the use of force when you already

18:26

volunteered to work with them

18:28

and to connect with them Alight,

18:31

in my my view, that

18:33

was not only a professional discourtesy to me,

18:35

but extreme unprofessionalism

18:38

with the Department of Justice. Uh.

18:40

If if an attorney says I will bring my

18:43

client in, and there's no reason to think he won't,

18:46

UH, then you uh

18:48

both being officers of the court of law and

18:51

we are UH, then you will

18:53

respect that other attorney and let him do his

18:55

job just as he expects you to do yours. Um.

18:58

There's no there's no basis, there's no reason for

19:01

what happened to this case other

19:03

than people who are devotees

19:06

to uh I think a radical ideology

19:08

and who have left their lost their sense of

19:11

professionalism and certainly

19:13

a professional courtesy. How

19:15

did the FBI treat him when they arrested

19:18

him. Of course, they were trying

19:20

to bang it bang

19:22

down his door to start with. And

19:25

I should back up a little bit in the fact, just in case some

19:27

of your listeners don't know, uh,

19:30

but it was at seven o'clock in the morning, which

19:32

is typical of how h you storm

19:35

in on violent offenders just

19:37

as they're getting out of bed, and rightfully,

19:40

just the the how family

19:43

was doing just that and they were just getting out of bed.

19:45

Mark was downstairs getting a cup of coffee.

19:49

Ryan Marie, the wife, said her heet had barely

19:51

hit the floor after getting out of bed.

19:53

When you hear all this commotion going on

19:55

downstairs, and of

19:57

course say, I'll go down towards the stairs and Mark

20:00

us to the door. And people are yelling FBI

20:02

banging on the door so much that uh,

20:05

Ryan Brine said that it looked like the doors have

20:07

already to break open. And Mark

20:09

was yelling, please, I'll open

20:11

the door. I'll open the door. Remember, I've got

20:14

my babies inside. Is that twice? I've

20:16

got babies in here? And he opened

20:18

the door, and as he opened the door, guns

20:20

long guns were pointed at him,

20:22

at his face and his wife, and kind

20:24

of sweeping the room where the kids

20:26

were. Of course, the kids would never ever

20:29

expected this, and the while the streams that they're

20:31

dead would be cheated like this are

20:33

screaming to high heaven. And these

20:36

fully armed fifteen to twenty FBI

20:38

agents said, and actually members

20:41

also of local police departments

20:43

come storming in and grab Mark,

20:45

eventually handcuffed him, put

20:48

manels on his feet. I'm laughing because it's so

20:50

ridiculous, uh, And and he

20:52

stayed manacled up the whole day. They

20:54

brought him down to I think is the Marshall's office,

20:57

Uh, and they chained him to a table

20:59

as if he was some danger and

21:01

left in there pretty much all day until his initial

21:04

appearance. And here's

21:06

another factory at least, So it just shows what

21:08

a sham this all was. Uh.

21:11

They had decided in advance to

21:14

let him be released without bail.

21:17

And that is that that they call that

21:19

own your released on your own recognizance.

21:23

Uh. That is, uh, if

21:25

only for those people you know are not dangerous

21:27

and are not flight risk. Otherwise

21:30

you acquire some sort of bail and sometimes

21:32

sizeable amount of bail money that they

21:34

had to put down before they can be released from jail

21:37

to assure that they will return. So

21:39

the federal government knew in advance, well,

21:42

they knew all along that there was no violence

21:45

here, no no flight risk. But

21:47

they were doing this simply to make a statement.

21:49

Well, they made a statement, and it's one I

21:51

think that is a little bit

21:54

shocking for common citizens

21:56

of this country to realize that

21:58

that's what the Department of Justice has come too. And

22:01

I guess I'll just follow up on that. I was a

22:03

Federal prosecute for a number of years, and

22:06

quite honestly, in those days in the nineteen

22:08

nineties, I was proud

22:10

of the position and we followed UH

22:13

the established UH protocols

22:17

of the office, whether or not those protocols had been

22:19

established in other administrations, try and

22:21

survive there. During the demost democratic

22:23

administration, both Republican

22:26

and democratic, and the Democratic

22:28

U S Attorney, the Democratic U

22:30

S Attorney followed the I

22:32

remember the Thornburg Thornburg Document,

22:35

various protocols that have been established under Republican

22:37

regimes. We were we

22:40

were officers of the court first,

22:43

and we were dedicated the idea

22:45

of justice. This administration,

22:48

my UM contacts

22:50

with it as well as during the Obama administration,

22:53

seems more politically inclined, and

22:55

that's a danger. What are the next steps

22:58

for you guys? Where in the courts do

23:00

you think this will go? Yeah?

23:02

The case has been set for trial in January,

23:05

and I UH, in all the years

23:07

when I was both a federal prosecutor and

23:09

UH white color defense attorney,

23:12

I never once saw a case go on the first

23:14

trial setting. But our people

23:17

UH tell us that the judge seems

23:19

willing to let us get this case tried in January,

23:22

and uh, I will be happy if they can actually

23:24

get it done in January. Uh. And quite

23:26

honestly, I think that, uh, the

23:30

defense will prevail in this case, will win, and

23:32

it may even get bounced out on on a court

23:35

motion, because as I said, these

23:37

facts have already been ruled in that

23:39

very district not to support a

23:41

face case. Um

23:44

so um. Either it will be

23:46

some sort of pre trial jurisdictional motion, or

23:49

at the end of the state's case, the defense

23:51

will make a motion that there is no

23:53

violation of any law under the facts presented

23:55

by the government. But either way

23:58

there's a decent chance, a good

24:00

chance that this will actually go to trial, and

24:02

uh we're looking forward to it. Well.

24:04

And of course where are the arress

24:07

with the targeting and the terrorism

24:10

directed towards pro life centers.

24:13

Yeah, that's a great point. Um kind

24:15

of is in stark relief with the way

24:17

that the Gardland

24:20

regime is employing the

24:22

Face Act against pro lifers. Uh.

24:25

The same Face Act applies

24:27

to pro life pregnancy

24:30

resource centers, and that

24:32

is that anyone who

24:35

uses force to harass intimidates

24:37

on and so forth. Uh, those

24:40

in even pro life reproductive

24:42

health centers could

24:45

be prosecuted. And as you know that

24:47

there have been at least at last

24:49

I saw seventy reported incidents

24:52

of of attacks against

24:54

pro life centers, including a fire bombing

24:56

of one or two and really really

24:59

who violence as opposed to the shoving

25:01

incidence of Mark how and other

25:04

shoving instances that the Department

25:06

of Justice also sued H is

25:08

pursuing across the country as opposed

25:10

of those are actually rather laughable

25:14

small instances. We have true violence

25:16

against the pregnancy resource centers

25:18

and as yet, as yet

25:20

not a single uh

25:23

UH arrested and made concerning

25:25

any of those true violence against against

25:28

the pro life centers. So that's

25:30

kind of a dark, dark comparison.

25:32

But apparently the

25:34

Department of Justice under Garlic Garlic

25:37

Mark Garland, I'm sorry, HASH

25:40

has no interest in UH in

25:43

employing this law if

25:45

it's UH to defend

25:48

its political opponents. Well, and the Department

25:50

of Justice has also charged

25:53

eleven pro life advocates with the

25:55

same charges with federal charges in

25:58

Tennessee related to a two twenty

26:00

one protest. So

26:02

to your point, it certainly seems

26:04

like the d o J is trying to send

26:07

a chilling message to Americas

26:09

to our pro life at least a we're

26:11

that Thomas More Society is representing Mark

26:14

howk Um and that the group

26:17

I'm with, and we're also representing at

26:19

least one, if not more of the Nashville defendants

26:22

as well. And that's another

26:25

instance where it's a relatively

26:28

minor peaceful protests,

26:30

the very same sort of thing that

26:33

that fueled the civil rights marches, the Sacra

26:36

Gaha, if you will, of

26:38

of Mohamed uh of Mahan,

26:40

dis gandhi Um.

26:43

The same sort of civil protests,

26:45

civil disobedience happened

26:47

in Nashville. And it's not, you know, not a serious

26:50

event, not something that you would go and again

26:52

arrest the father of his family in front of his children.

26:54

And they did the same thing, the same thing

26:56

there in Tennessee quick break more on the

26:58

Mark Hook case. Am

27:07

I missing any of the facts of this case?

27:10

I just want to make sure that people

27:12

can listen to this and understand exactly

27:14

what's going on and what they need to know. Well,

27:16

I suppose one factor the case is and

27:18

this is maybe

27:21

a relatively minor matter, but uh,

27:24

in my look at the facts, it looks like the

27:27

aggressor here the boost Love.

27:30

The abortion activist may

27:32

have even been attempting in

27:36

the second instance to try to get it on

27:38

camera, because the first instance

27:41

was across the street, wasn't on the security camera,

27:44

and and

27:46

so they don't they didn't have it as

27:48

as good of facts on that side. So he came

27:51

back in a few minutes later. You can see

27:53

him in the bottom of the screen.

27:55

He's actually talking with another abortion

27:58

activists before he goes to her asked

28:00

Mark's son, and that same

28:02

abortion activist then comes running out a

28:05

few minutes later, So she's been watching the whole

28:07

thing. Um, And

28:09

so it looks like um

28:12

at this boost love and did the second

28:14

or or instigated the second instance

28:17

on purpose to try to get it on camera. It

28:21

was right down to at least these

28:23

are simple facts. I mean, this is not a

28:25

complicated case. This is it's almost

28:28

silly to talk about. This is a little shoving match

28:31

outside of an abortion clinic

28:34

because one man got

28:36

another man's face, and that since

28:38

his face got his son's face, that

28:41

is not a federal crime by anybody's um,

28:45

anybody's description. And uh

28:47

so it's silly that we're even talking about it,

28:50

but it's being used you know the factor

28:52

of being used in order to try

28:54

to go after American

28:57

citizens who happened to be of the pro life

28:59

contingent. And where can people go to help?

29:02

Yeah, two places actually,

29:04

um Mark how has

29:07

set up a defense

29:09

on go fund to me for

29:12

it a case and uh

29:14

so you can find that online. And then

29:17

also the Thomas Moore Society. You can go to

29:19

Thomas More Society dot org and

29:21

Morris Billed M O R E. Thomas

29:24

More Society dot org.

29:27

We are representing quite

29:29

a few of these people in various parts of the country

29:31

right now. We're and of course Philadelphia,

29:33

We're in Tennessee, We're in d c all

29:36

on similar sort of cases, and

29:38

we represent pro lifers

29:40

across the country on

29:43

other cases as well. Matt half

29:45

Ron with the Thomas More Society, I appreciate

29:48

the work that you're doing. What is happening

29:50

to Mark is wrong, and

29:53

thank you for bringing this case to the show and

29:55

giving us her time. Good

29:58

keep up the good work. Always happy that that

30:10

was Matt f Run with the Thomas Morris

30:12

Society, representing Marco who is

30:14

being viciously targeted by the FBI.

30:17

Uh it's a sad reflection

30:19

of what's going on in America. But it makes

30:22

sense when you see what the Department

30:24

of Justice has done and even targeting

30:26

parents and essentially labeling them terrorists,

30:28

or you know, Joe Biden going on stage and

30:30

labeling seventy five million Americans as

30:33

enemies of the state. So it's it's a sad place

30:35

where we are. But I appreciate what Matt is doing,

30:38

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