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0:45

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0:47

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0:51

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2:49

Thanks, I say hello to her

2:51

because she's not here every day.

2:53

Thanks to Trump's deportation policy. There

2:55

are people who've been shipped off

2:57

to a hell-hole prison in El

2:59

Salvador without what they call due

3:01

process. And the administration says they

3:04

have no plans to bring them home.

3:06

Even the usually pro magga podcaster

3:08

Joe Rogan isn't on board with

3:10

these tactics. Watch. You got to

3:12

get scared that people who are not

3:15

criminals are getting like... last suit up

3:17

and deported and sent to like El

3:19

Salvador prisons. I think a human

3:22

being being plucked out of nowhere

3:24

and ending up in a country

3:26

he's never been in in a

3:28

maximum security prison with gang members

3:30

seems like a bad thing to

3:32

happen to me. It's horrific. It's

3:34

horrific. I don't think that should

3:36

be controversial. No, that's not controversial

3:38

at all. The White House Press

3:41

Secretary has called one of these

3:43

deportation mistakes a quote-unquote clerical error.

3:45

Well, if it's a clerical error,

3:47

then bring them back. Is this

3:49

the immigration policy people thought they

3:51

were voting for? I don't believe so. So

3:53

listen, the status quo of doing

3:55

nothing and allowing just limitless undocumented

3:58

migration to this kind of... was

4:00

unsustainable. People voted to have the

4:02

border secured, but then they wanted

4:04

to primarily deal with people who

4:06

were undocumented and committed crimes in

4:08

this country. 80% of Americans support

4:10

that. This whole table supports that.

4:12

But there is a key element

4:14

that is involved here. Due process, you

4:16

cannot simply look at somebody and say,

4:18

well I think they're a criminal or

4:21

there may be allegations. We have a

4:23

system in this country where you would

4:25

put the people before a judge. They

4:27

have their day in court to make

4:30

their case. They should be returned to

4:32

their country of origin, not a third-party

4:34

country that they have no connection to,

4:36

no relatives in, in a jail there.

4:39

Let their home country decide if they're

4:41

going to be jailed and give them

4:43

that process. But sending them somewhere

4:45

they've never lived is

4:47

honestly horrifying. And if one

4:50

person slips through the cracks, that's

4:52

reason enough to pause, shut it

4:54

down, and decide how you do

4:56

it the right way. Yeah. voted

4:58

for yeah I do think so

5:01

I think people thought it's not

5:03

going to happen to me or

5:05

mine. That's what I think. You

5:07

know, it's okay for it to

5:09

happen to your neighbor. It's okay

5:11

to happen to that other person.

5:13

But now that it's happening to

5:15

American citizens, naturalized citizens, people with

5:18

green cards, people that are legally

5:20

here, people, sisters, brothers, sister-in-in-law, laws.

5:22

Now I think people are thinking,

5:24

oh, but I didn't vote for

5:26

that. I didn't vote for my

5:28

family to be her. has an

5:30

agreement with, let's say, El Salvador

5:32

to house people, right? They're paying

5:35

El Salvador prisons to pay people.

5:37

Then why doesn't the White House

5:39

say, I want that person back?

5:41

Because that was a mistake. Generally,

5:43

the Supreme Court has found that

5:45

Congress has to. Act and has to sort

5:47

of make this type of law and as

5:50

Alyssa mentioned this is completely unconstitutional The minute

5:52

you get here into the United States, especially

5:54

if you have legal status the Constitution applies

5:56

to you, too And so the fact that

5:59

this is happening It's something that every

6:01

American citizen should be extremely concerned

6:03

about. I want, in particular, I

6:06

know I think Anna, you're probably

6:08

going to mention this, but there's

6:10

this, the removal of Kilmar Armando

6:13

Abrego Garcia. He's a Salvadorian national.

6:15

who was granted protected status by

6:17

an immigration judge, he was taken

6:20

from an IKEA parking lot with

6:22

his five-year-old autistic son in the

6:24

car with him, and he is

6:27

married to an American citizen, and

6:29

he is legally protected. He's a

6:31

legal person here. Listen, they apparently

6:34

have this point system that they

6:36

use, where if you have tattoos,

6:38

if you're wearing a Chicago Bulls

6:40

hoodie, if... things like that is

6:43

what they are basing it on.

6:45

If you're gonna be picking up

6:47

people with tattoos, then Pete Hexett

6:49

should be very concerned. But you know,

6:52

look, I, you know, I, well, I

6:54

think, Madonna and Cher both have tattoos.

6:56

No, and listen, it's, uh, Brian, do

6:58

you have one? No, I don't. All

7:00

right. I'm really glad and grateful

7:03

that we're talking about this because

7:05

America cannot get numb. to the cruelty

7:07

that is going on and that

7:09

is being inflicted on the Latino

7:12

community specifically by the Trump administration.

7:14

Look in my view these people

7:16

mostly men the ones that they've

7:18

sent to El Salvador are men

7:21

are props as part of Donald

7:23

Trump's sick cruel charade. He built

7:25

this narrative that there was this

7:27

gang that was overtaking America and

7:30

that he was going to send

7:32

hardened criminals and rapist monsters to

7:34

this, you know, out of the

7:36

country, get rid of them. The problem

7:39

is that finding them, identifying

7:41

them. It's not that easy. So then

7:44

they're picking up, they are, I mean,

7:46

understand this, they are disappearing people. Some

7:48

of these wives and loved ones are

7:50

finding out that their husbands, that their

7:53

brothers, are in this jail because they

7:55

happen to see a video that was

7:57

put out by the government of El-Sab.

8:00

Can you imagine the grief, the

8:02

distress, the sadness, the anxiety

8:04

of a loved one not

8:06

knowing where your relative is

8:08

because they've been picked up

8:10

off the street while they're

8:12

with the deaf autistic five-year-old

8:14

U.S. citizen son or because

8:16

they are disappeared from an

8:18

ICE appointment? What kind of

8:21

country is this? America, we

8:23

cannot let this continue. You

8:25

have got to stand up. You have

8:27

got to call. Your Congress people, you

8:29

have got to tell them that

8:31

we will not stand with it.

8:33

Only 34% of Republicans feel that.

8:35

is wrong. 89% of Democrats specified

8:37

what part is wrong because most

8:39

Americans, like the whole thing, a

8:41

new UGov poll shows 60% of

8:43

Americans opposed to appointing immigrants without

8:46

criminal convictions to El Salvador. 60%

8:48

of Americans, only 34% of Republicans

8:50

go along with that. The one

8:52

thing I would just quickly say

8:54

is there there is a distinction

8:56

though most of this country 80%

8:58

support deporting people who committed crimes

9:00

in the that were adjudicated for and

9:02

hazard. That is the difference here. Some

9:05

of these people did not get their

9:07

day in court. We don't actually have

9:09

evidence that the White House has shown

9:11

that they've committed crimes or have gang

9:14

affiliations. And that's, that's, Elissa, you hit

9:16

on the right point. The fact of

9:18

the matter is if you look at

9:21

at the statistics, immigrants commit far less

9:23

crime than American citizens. Far less crime.

9:25

The number is in the single digits.

9:27

So as Anna said, you know, it's

9:30

not only a lack of due process,

9:32

it's lack of transparency. They haven't so

9:34

much as the transparency that I knew.

9:36

Because I think what Sunny was talking

9:38

about, I break a little bit when

9:41

you say, I think it was, until

9:43

it affected them. I don't think anyone

9:45

thought this is how it would play

9:47

out because we have a system. Oh,

9:49

I definitely thought that. I did not,

9:52

I think what we're seeing, it comes,

9:54

it's like in the movies or another

9:56

time, they were... profiling young students at

9:58

a football game where I had a friend of

10:00

a friend whose daughter is like born

10:03

and raised all the things. They're taking

10:05

free speech. They're profiling and they're just

10:07

taking brown people and they're around them

10:09

up. I don't know if they're taking

10:11

brown people which is why I thought

10:13

that's exactly what they were going to

10:15

do. But the whole thing that you're

10:17

saying... is that the country does want

10:20

the elimination of people who commit crimes.

10:22

They want to be a very small

10:24

member. But how would you know who

10:26

they are if you don't arrest them?

10:28

Because they have criminal records. You process.

10:30

They go to court on records. You

10:32

process. They go to court. But these

10:35

people that are reading now. How would

10:37

you know? If you're sending criminals, they

10:39

should have criminal records. Right? I mean,

10:42

they're in court. And they have a

10:44

chance with a lawyer to defend that

10:46

they're not. and Riley built it, which

10:48

was supported wisely. Remember that Trump ran

10:51

on getting rid of millions and people

10:53

kept saying there are not millions of

10:55

criminals? There's not that there are criminals.

10:58

Let me just make one last point. Okay,

11:00

this agreement with El Salvador was set

11:02

up by Marco Rubio, a son of

11:04

immigrants. Do not tell me, Marco. that

11:06

you do not have the ability

11:08

to call Naib Bukel, who when

11:10

you say jump says how high,

11:13

and tell him that we need

11:15

that man back. That son, that

11:17

autistic son, needs his father back.

11:19

And you, a Christian, are getting

11:21

away with this cynicism and hypocrisy

11:24

and lying. It's the lying that

11:26

is just, you know, unbelievable from

11:28

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to several new

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books about the

14:30

last few months

14:32

of the election, they're writing books about

14:34

it now. In one book, Biden

14:36

advisor Ron Klein claimed there was

14:38

a lot of concern that Biden

14:41

couldn't keep up with the debate

14:43

prep and he would fall asleep

14:45

on the pool. Me too. Me

14:47

too. Another book claims President Obama

14:49

didn't want V.P. Harris to take

14:52

Biden's place. His choice was Governor

14:54

Gretchen Whitmer. These are books that people

14:56

are writing, so we have to take a

14:58

lot of this, I think, with a bit

15:00

of a grain of salt. I mean, if

15:02

any of this is true, what can Democrats

15:04

do about it now? I mean, it seems

15:07

to me this ship is sail. What's the

15:09

point? I'd rather read a book about what

15:11

Trump did to us when he was president

15:13

and what he's doing to us now. I'm

15:15

much more interested in that. I'm not interested.

15:17

And looking back, I mean, we're in a

15:19

constitutional crisis right now. Do we really believe

15:21

that Trump is not falling asleep in the

15:23

chair at Maraw? Yeah. Yeah. I actually wish

15:26

he did. There were more books about

15:28

Trump than I feel like anyone ever

15:30

needed to read. You wrote one. You

15:32

did. We're in a moment we're in

15:34

where a lot of people are scared.

15:36

They're nervous. They're worried that we're seeing

15:38

America fundamentally changed. And a reason for

15:40

that, not just a little asterisk. is

15:42

that Joe Biden did not win, did

15:44

not step aside in time to allow

15:46

someone else to win. And I do

15:48

think it is a story that warrants

15:50

some reflection because even beyond the electoral

15:52

consequences of Trump winning and what we're

15:54

going to experience the next four years, I

15:56

think there's also what I'm struck by and I

15:58

think highly of Biden people. think I'm like

16:00

so critical just because I think he needed

16:02

to step aside and give someone else a

16:04

chance. He does start to come off the more

16:07

we're learning like I alone can fix it.

16:09

It almost comes off Trump. And it was

16:11

late also. Well, he should have done it

16:13

sooner. If he had after the debate, that

16:15

would have given someone enough runway to actually

16:18

run a winning hearing. Well, I would say

16:20

the learning lesson here. Well, I would say

16:22

the learning lesson here is listen to the

16:24

voters. Because one thing that really pissed me

16:26

off as an independent, and I was one

16:28

of the people that sat here and said

16:31

after seeing President Biden, I voted for Biden,

16:33

But I did look at him and think,

16:35

I think maybe you do need to

16:37

step aside and now the rumors that

16:39

we're hearing starting to make sense. And

16:41

what happened is everyone said, you're disloyal

16:43

if you say that, shut up and

16:45

fall in line. And that's why people

16:47

want to be independent these days, because

16:49

partisan politics, they lie. It was the

16:51

Democratic Party that made that choice that

16:53

said, you're betraying him if you call

16:55

it like you see it. And the

16:57

point here was is. He wasn't necessarily

17:00

fit to run for another four years.

17:02

Okay, look, I know Ron Klein. I

17:04

was texting with him yesterday. He's one

17:06

of the longest advisors and very,

17:08

very close to Biden. So this

17:10

is probably very painful to them

17:12

both. Usually, because you know what,

17:14

because folks get caught up talking

17:17

about post-mortons of campaigns and talking

17:19

to reporters who are their friends.

17:21

And usually I like these books.

17:23

Usually I like the campaign gossip

17:25

of primary colors after Clinton or

17:28

oh. Obama or game change after

17:30

McCain, but these are not normal

17:32

times, so I'm just not interested

17:34

in palace gossip from a year

17:36

and a half ago because I'm

17:38

more interested about the children who

17:41

are losing food because this government

17:43

is cutting off the program and

17:45

the federal workers who are losing

17:47

their jobs, and I'm interested in

17:50

the fact that we are at

17:52

war with the trade war with

17:54

the rest of the world and

17:56

threatening allies. And you know and

17:58

Greenland all of specifically was coming

18:00

there were people beating the drum explaining

18:03

explicitly what a second Trump term would

18:05

be. You're saying it but the Democrats

18:07

could not put up something formidable enough

18:09

to beat it. Two things can be

18:11

true at once you can despise Trump

18:13

and everything the Republicans stand for and

18:15

still be able to see straight about

18:17

what happened here and denying it and

18:19

telling people you're not seeing what you're

18:21

seeing is never gonna win voters. I

18:24

bet you ever single person that voted for

18:26

for Kamala Harris wishes that Kamala Harris won

18:28

right now. I bet you that. I bet

18:30

you that. Yeah. I bet you that, and I

18:32

bet you there are a lot of people that

18:34

voted for Trump, that wish the Congress.

18:37

A lot of people who didn't vote,

18:39

who are probably regretting it. Yeah, I

18:41

don't. I always said I would prefer,

18:43

you know, Joe Biden in a coma

18:45

over Trump, and I maintain that. We'll

18:47

be right back. Okay,

18:57

is there anyone here looking

19:00

to spice up their marriage?

19:02

Clap if you are. Apparently,

19:04

husbands are teaming up with

19:06

an adult website called WIFI,

19:08

so that their wives can,

19:10

I'm doing this slowly so

19:12

you can absorb this, so

19:14

that their wives can have

19:16

sex with professional porn stars

19:18

while they observe as part,

19:21

people are so nuts, as

19:23

a part of a new

19:25

trend called hotwifing. And here's the

19:27

most interesting part. Some of the

19:29

couples who've taken part say it

19:31

helps build trust in communication. Oh,

19:33

come on. Really? Who thought this

19:35

was a good idea other than

19:37

a divorce attorney? Sponsored by a

19:39

divorce attorney. Exactly. I'm sorry, these

19:41

couples need therapy, not this. And

19:44

also... All I thought were STD is when I

19:46

heard that sounds like a terrible idea. I

19:48

don't know. I don't know. I don't know

19:50

that they need therapy. They freaking need God

19:52

in their marriages. They need to find Jesus.

19:54

They need something else. This is not it.

19:56

That's not a kink. That's like a, that's,

19:58

listen. I know some of the most. religious

20:00

people are probably doing it too. Don't hit

20:02

yourself. No, but normally when you think of

20:05

anyone being added, you think of the man

20:07

saying, I need variety, I was built

20:09

this way, I'll go over here. No, I

20:11

want you to go and put someone

20:13

in another. With a porn star. And why

20:16

call it hot whifing? Like you put the

20:18

wife in the title. Yeah. Why be

20:20

reminded you're married in those moments. God. I

20:22

think I should be. It should be

20:24

called cold husbanding. How does this build trust

20:26

and communication? I don't see how. It

20:28

doesn't. Dr. Ruth said that when you

20:31

invite a third person into your marriage,

20:33

it's your relationship. It's over. So are

20:35

they paying for this? Yes, it sounds

20:37

like a professional. Why would they do

20:40

it for free? They're paying for it.

20:42

Nothing's free in life, Anna. That's not

20:44

even a part life. All right, we're

20:46

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23:03

Bacon stars in the

23:05

new horror comedy series

23:08

the bondsman as a murdered

23:10

bounty hunter who gets a

23:13

second chance at life if

23:15

he agrees to a literal

23:18

deal with the devil.

23:20

Watch. I'm here about your

23:22

orientation. I'm not interested.

23:26

She knows things, Hub, about

23:28

how you... Died and went

23:30

to hell. Well, you're

23:33

only standing here now

23:35

because we brought you

23:37

back, at least temporarily.

23:39

Think of this like a work

23:42

release, and I'm your parole

23:44

officer. Which I told

23:46

her is just plain

23:48

silly. and blasphemous, and I

23:51

just won't have that

23:53

kind of talk on my

23:55

property. Do you think

23:57

it's silly, Mr. Halloran?

24:05

Not the

24:07

church going

24:10

type Nice

24:28

to have your back here Kevin.

24:30

Thank you so much. I feel

24:32

like it's been a while. A

24:34

little bit. Yeah, yeah, it's great.

24:36

That's Kira. She's well. Tell we

24:39

send our best. I will. This

24:41

is her, you know, her favorite

24:43

show. I think you probably know,

24:45

her favorite show. I think you

24:47

probably know that. Yes. Yeah, sometimes

24:49

I come into the kitchen and

24:51

she's watching the view and she

24:53

says, I'm watching the view. I'm

24:56

watching the view. It is juicy.

24:58

It has a lot of blood,

25:00

guts, gore, as any horror series

25:02

should. But it also has some

25:04

humor and like family backstory, which

25:06

gives it more layers than I'm

25:08

accustomed to. So what drew you

25:10

to that role? Well, all of

25:13

that stuff, you know, I mean,

25:15

I love horror. I've done quite

25:17

a bit of horror. I mean,

25:19

I was in the very first

25:21

Friday the 13th, believe it or

25:23

not. In the 1980, 80 or

25:25

something. Oh my god, I did

25:27

not even remember. Oh, right on

25:30

Q. And you know, this is

25:32

a classic, because you see what's

25:34

in my hand right there. Yes.

25:36

When back in those days, especially

25:38

in those days in horror, if

25:40

you did it, they were kind

25:42

of like a moral barometer. If

25:44

you did any, add sex or

25:47

did any drugs, you were dead.

25:49

Oh yeah. Like, like that's exactly,

25:51

you know. And so this, I

25:53

did both. I did. Right after

25:55

another and that's when I had

25:57

we heard you're not the church

25:59

going tight. But you've described your

26:01

character in this as a man

26:04

child. What do you mean by

26:06

that? Yeah, well he comes, I

26:08

mean he comes off and acts

26:10

like he's such a bad ass,

26:12

but this is a man who's

26:14

like never quite grown up, like

26:16

he's still living with his mother.

26:18

Yeah, in her garage, basically. Haven't,

26:21

whose men haven't. But listen, I

26:23

got a theory about this, a

26:25

boy having to break away from

26:27

his mother at some point in

26:29

his life in order to really,

26:31

you know, become a man. I

26:33

know exactly when that happened for

26:35

me. And well, I mean, I

26:37

was about 14. And it was

26:40

a mom, my mother was a

26:42

serious activist and I got a

26:44

paid acting gig. She was extremely

26:46

anti-war civil rights. And I got

26:48

a gig that was like a

26:50

promotional gig for the ROTC. And

26:52

I took the gig because I

26:54

was going to get paper. She

26:57

didn't speak to me for like

26:59

two weeks. She was furious. But

27:01

at that moment, I knew that

27:03

it was time to, I don't

27:05

know, just kind of break out

27:07

on my own. And I know

27:09

you do. I know you do,

27:11

and I get it. I totally

27:14

get it. You know, Kiera talked

27:16

about how hard it was for

27:18

her. You know, I think that

27:20

the character of hub. He just

27:22

hasn't done that yet. He's unable

27:24

to, you know, have this relationship

27:26

with his wife. He's kind of

27:28

estranged from his son. So it's

27:31

this great, what I loved about

27:33

the show is this great juxtaposition

27:35

of this man who's out there,

27:37

you know, ready to fight demons

27:39

and do whatever he has to

27:41

do. He's amazingly courageous, but... He's

27:43

still he's still a momma's boy.

27:45

Yeah, nothing wrong with that music

27:48

is a big part of this

27:50

show and Jennifer Nettles of the

27:52

country music duo Sugar Land your

27:54

ex-wife in it. And you're a

27:56

musician yourself as many of us

27:58

know and a founding member of

28:00

the Bacon Brothers. So how exciting

28:02

was it to incorporate music into

28:05

this show and why do you

28:07

think that just added more layers

28:09

to it? Yeah I mean it

28:11

was just always there from the

28:13

beginning from the first time I

28:15

read the pilot and I got

28:17

a play-with list from the guy

28:19

that created the show that had

28:22

all kinds of really cool songs

28:24

on it. When we started to

28:26

do the show... I said, you

28:28

know, I'd be happy to give

28:30

it a shot to try to

28:32

write some tunes for this. I've

28:34

written a lot of songs in

28:36

my life, written with my brother,

28:39

written by myself. We've written with

28:41

other artists. And they said, yeah,

28:43

that would be great. And then

28:45

Jennifer got cast. And right away,

28:47

we started writing some songs. And

28:49

the first song we wrote got

28:51

rejected. And because I had said,

28:53

listen, don't put them in just

28:55

to make me happy. Like, we

28:58

have to have the best songs

29:00

possible possible in this possible in

29:02

this possible in this show in

29:04

this show. And then a couple

29:06

that we did write, you know,

29:08

made it in and there were

29:10

some other ones I wrote, one

29:12

with my brother wrote, one by

29:15

myself, Jen wrote one. We decided

29:17

when we were done to record

29:19

all the music, so we're putting

29:21

a record out of music inspired

29:23

by the bondsman. The bondsman is

29:25

about regrets and second chances. So

29:27

is there anything in your real

29:29

life that you'd like to get

29:32

a second shot at? I recently,

29:34

okay, so Spinal Tap is like,

29:36

no, definitely not her. I'm, I'm,

29:38

I'm, I was, I made the

29:40

right choice there. I recently, okay,

29:42

so Spinal Tap is like my

29:44

favorite movie. This is Spinal Tap,

29:46

directed by Rob Rider. And I

29:49

work with Rob Ryder on, a

29:51

few good men. And, oh, yeah,

29:53

he's great. Let me just throw

29:55

out some movies I'm in and

29:57

you could just clap. Footloose! I

29:59

was kidding. So I wanted to

30:01

play one of the exploding drummers

30:03

in the new spinal tap, basically,

30:06

but I didn't, I didn't have

30:08

Rob's number, somebody called him, you

30:10

know, for me, and I didn't

30:12

get the part. Yeah, I mean,

30:14

Spinal Tab, I'm so excited about

30:16

Part Two, and in the original,

30:18

it was kind of a running

30:20

joke that they had drummers that

30:23

just like disappeared. Put Kevin in

30:25

it, please. Well, since Sarah brought

30:27

up Footloose, last year was the

30:29

40th anniversary. I guess it was

30:31

the 40th anniversary of Footloose. And

30:33

we heard that you actually went

30:35

back and visited the high school

30:37

in Utah where you shot the

30:40

movie. I hear you actually went

30:42

undercover as a student at that

30:44

high school when you were first

30:46

cast in Footloose. I did. So

30:48

did it bring back memories when

30:50

you went back to visit? Totally,

30:52

yeah, totally. They were closing, it's

30:54

Payson High in Payson, Utah, they

30:57

were closing that school and they

30:59

kind of mounted this sort of

31:01

only moving it to a different

31:03

location. Yeah, that's my actual, that's

31:05

a locker from the movie that's

31:07

like a, it's like a, it's

31:09

like a shrine a shrine. tear

31:11

the tear down and move to

31:14

school. I'm in brand new brand

31:16

new school, but yeah, it was

31:18

a get them to give you

31:20

the locker. Yeah, they should give

31:22

me that lock. They gave me

31:24

like a high school jacket, but

31:26

I didn't get the whole locker.

31:28

It was it was great. Kids

31:30

were amazing. We turned it into

31:33

a really cool thing for six

31:35

degrees.org where they built these kits

31:37

that were for people in the

31:39

community that were in need and

31:41

they kind of came together as

31:43

a high school and it was

31:45

a lot of fun. It's great

31:47

to see you. Nice. Again, say

31:50

hi to the wifey. I will.

31:52

Our thanks to Kevin Bacon. All

31:54

eight episodes of The Bondsmen are

31:56

streaming now on Prime Video and

31:58

we'll be right back. Doolay

32:05

Hill started hit shows

32:08

like The West Wing,

32:10

Syke, and The Wonder

32:12

Years. Now he's taking

32:15

on a new limited

32:17

series called Good American

32:20

Family, inspired by the

32:22

shocking true story of

32:25

an orphan accused by

32:27

her adoptive family of

32:30

secretly being an adult.

32:32

And the detective determined

32:35

to uncover the truth.

32:37

Watch the clip. I

32:39

want to understand why

32:42

she thought you... Could

32:44

you tell me a

32:47

little bit more about

32:49

what led up to

32:52

that moment? I want

32:54

to help me tell

32:57

you. I'm trying to

32:59

understand. Please

33:07

welcome Doolay Hill. And just when

33:09

you think you figured it all

33:12

out, it is, the narrative flips,

33:14

which I think is really a

33:16

wonderful twist. It's a dramatization based

33:18

on the real case of Natalia

33:20

Grace, who be claimed really tabloid

33:22

fodder, unfortunately, when her adopted family

33:25

accused her of faking her age,

33:27

she was eight, and they accused

33:29

her of being in her 20s.

33:31

So it was really nuts. That,

33:33

of course, has been debunked. They

33:35

did DNA tests on her, and

33:38

they realized that yet. eight years

33:40

old but the saga continues so

33:42

how much do you know about

33:44

how much did you know about

33:46

the story before you signed on

33:48

because I had to do research

33:51

after watching the series you know

33:53

I knew about the story because

33:55

I had seen a documentary about

33:57

it and I was truly intrigued

33:59

and fascinated but also disturbed yes

34:01

that this could happen in our

34:04

modern day legal system I was

34:06

really I guess attracted to the

34:08

idea about how it's dangerous to

34:10

take click bait as the truth

34:12

Just because the headline says one

34:14

thing doesn't mean that it's always

34:17

true. That's right. And what I

34:19

really loved about how, you know,

34:21

what Katie Robbins and Sarah Sutherland

34:23

connected, you created the show, is

34:25

the point of view changes. And

34:27

as the point of view changes,

34:30

you get a deeper understanding. There's

34:32

a further revelation of what the

34:34

truth or the shades of truth

34:36

is. And I think that's something

34:38

we can use in our society

34:40

today. That's why I wanted to

34:43

be a part of the show

34:45

to be able to hopefully put

34:47

something out there that can get

34:49

people to ask more questions. Dig

34:51

deeper and choir a little bit

34:53

more and hopefully gain further understanding.

34:56

It's too often nowadays It's like

34:58

that said and if it's been

35:00

said then that's a true Yeah,

35:02

and nine times out of ten.

35:04

That's not the case when I

35:06

remember when I Katie at first

35:09

told me Katie Robbins first told

35:11

me the the title of the

35:13

show. I said, oh, that's good.

35:15

I said, that's good. Katie, you

35:17

got that one. Oh, that's a

35:19

good one. So, Dole, you started

35:22

your career. I didn't really know

35:24

this on stage in the tap

35:26

dance kid. I did. I did.

35:28

I did. Okay. Yep. Yeah,

35:32

that's me. Wow. That's me. That's you.

35:34

A long time ago. You know, that's

35:36

gray and everything. And now you're about

35:38

to return to the stage and an

35:40

off-Broadway show called Lights Out Nat King

35:43

Cole, playing the great Nat King Cole.

35:45

Wow. That's great. So I'm always interested

35:47

in people who do real people like

35:49

this. He grew. What was the challenge

35:51

there? Did you work on the voice?

35:54

Yes. I hope I did. You have

35:56

to. He's like, no, I'm going to

35:58

wing it. You know, it's fine. It's

36:00

fine. You know, it's not going to

36:02

do my thing. It's fine. Don't worry

36:05

about it. You know, just put a

36:07

little, a little kunk in my head.

36:09

I'll be good. But I say now,

36:11

like now I say I'm sleeping with

36:13

Nat King Cole. Because I really play

36:16

his music, his interviews every night. I'm

36:18

just trying to ingest as much of

36:20

as much of it as much of

36:22

it as I can. honor his presence

36:24

honor his sacrifice honor his voice and

36:27

really all those who have come before

36:29

me what I love about this show

36:31

lights out knocking coal first of all

36:33

was written by Coleman Domingo yes yes

36:35

and Patricia McGregor who's the also the

36:38

director of the piece and they've done

36:40

a magnificent job of holding up an

36:42

American icon and then deconstructing this American

36:44

icon to get at the fabric of

36:46

who we are as a nation you

36:49

know we love the coolness of Nat

36:51

King Cole. We love the classiness of

36:53

Nat King Cole. We love the calmness

36:55

of Nat King Cole. But we've never

36:58

really taken the time to count the

37:00

cost of what it would be to

37:02

be Nat King Cole. Right. To be

37:04

the first, to be groundbreaking, to be

37:06

looking to create space not only for

37:09

yourself, for those who are coming behind

37:11

you, and what the cost of that

37:13

is. I think anyone who is not

37:15

at the top of the food chain

37:17

in our society will be able to

37:20

relate to the idea of... the cost

37:22

that it takes to move the ball

37:24

forward the cost that it takes to

37:26

create space for yourself and that's what

37:28

they have done with it particularly in

37:31

his era which was I mean particularly

37:33

in his era but also in this

37:35

day and age you know like the

37:37

thing about our history is unfortunately it

37:39

can repeat itself in so many different

37:42

ways and you can look back on

37:44

yesterday and always see parallels to what

37:46

we are today yes and that's what

37:48

I think combin a moment when so

37:50

many are trying to erase black history

37:53

correct yeah right so I'm very honored

37:55

to be able to be Step into

37:57

his shoes. I share the stage with

37:59

the phenomenal cast of characters Daniel J.

38:01

Watts, who's a Tony nominee He plays

38:04

Samby Davis, Jr. and does a nominal

38:06

job A small part. Do you know

38:08

what I mean? You not only act

38:10

to the part, you get to showcase

38:12

your amazing tapping skills. And I mean,

38:15

the obvious question is, do you sing

38:17

like Nat King Cole? I do. I

38:19

think so. Well, you know what? When

38:21

you come and see it, you have

38:23

to let me know. You know what?

38:26

Do you have to let me know,

38:28

you know? Do you have to let

38:30

me know? Do you have a favorite

38:32

song? I love that song. That's when

38:34

I really really guess to me, you

38:37

know, I'm gonna sit right down and

38:39

write myself a letter and make believe

38:41

it came from you. Wow. You know

38:43

what I mean? Well,

38:47

I have to ask about one of

38:49

your most beloved roles as Charlie Young

38:52

on aid to the president on the

38:54

West Wing. Now, you had a chance,

38:56

one of the greatest shows ever made,

38:58

you had a chance to reunite with

39:01

the cast last fall at the actual

39:03

West Wing for a White House celebration

39:05

of the 25th anniversary of the show.

39:08

What was that like? Oh, look at

39:10

you. It was humbling. Humbling, you know,

39:12

25 years ago, I needed a job.

39:14

I'm an actor and actor needs jobs.

39:17

I was getting low on money. I

39:19

remember I told Freddie Prince Jr. It

39:21

was one of my good friends. I

39:23

said, if I don't get a job

39:26

in the next couple weeks, I'm coming

39:28

to live with you, I'm going back

39:30

in New Jersey. I have no more

39:33

money. And then I ended up getting

39:35

this show. The fact that it could

39:37

have the impact that has had over

39:39

the years is truly humbling. At this

39:42

event, I met so many people who

39:44

had gone into service of our country,

39:46

working in government, because of this show.

39:49

And people forget that when people work

39:51

either in the federal government or in

39:53

state government, they're not making all this

39:55

money. No, you don't make any money.

39:58

Yeah, they are passionate about upholding our

40:00

nation, giving liberties to each other, and

40:02

being in service of their neighbors. Yes.

40:05

And it's really, I'm honored that I

40:07

had a chance to be able to

40:09

play a part in some part of

40:11

keep. being this country moving forward. Yeah.

40:14

You're part of history all over the

40:16

place. Yeah, I know. You're part of

40:18

history. That show had a ton of

40:21

big guest stars. One of them was

40:23

our friend Gabrielle Union. She, she liked

40:25

quite an impression. We have a clip.

40:27

Yeah. Oh my God. Mr. President, may

40:30

I have a moment? Oh boy, oh

40:32

boy. I think my face still hurts.

40:34

Here's a problem when you have your

40:36

friends come and do shows with you,

40:39

you see? Because normally an actor, be

40:41

like, you know, I want to make

40:43

sure I pull it and we'll time

40:46

it so that, you know, when I

40:48

slap you can move your head. No.

40:50

She stopped the mess out of me.

40:52

Yes, she did. And I think everyone

40:55

gets enjoying it too much. I think

40:57

she enjoyed it too much. I think

40:59

Tommy Shlami, who I believe directed that

41:02

episode, he enjoyed it too much. I

41:04

think Martin enjoyed it too much. You

41:06

know? Yeah, Martin, get my own. I'm

41:08

sorry, I messed up my line. Let

41:11

me come back and do it again.

41:17

We enjoy due

41:19

too much today.

41:21

Thanks for shopping.

41:24

I always enjoy

41:26

being here. Our

41:28

thanks to Doolay

41:30

Hill. Good American

41:33

Family is streaming

41:35

on Hulu now

41:37

with new episodes

41:39

airing on Wednesdays.

41:42

We'll be right

41:44

back. And the

41:46

revolution... What's happening? Rebellion begins.

41:48

Any body's going to throw

41:51

in the fire when it's

41:53

enough enough. When there's no

41:55

one left to fight. Where

41:57

is June Osborne? Rise up!

41:59

And fight! for your freedom.

42:02

The Hulu original series, The

42:04

Handmaids Tale, final season premieres

42:06

April 8th, streaming on Hulu.

42:08

Rappers Sean Diddy Combs

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was a kingmaker. He

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had wealth, fame, and

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power. What's that? Welcome

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to New York! Until

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it all came crashing

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down. Federal investigators raiding

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two homes owned by

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hip-hop mogul Sean Diddy

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Combs. I'm Brian Buckmeyer,

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an ABC news legal

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contributor. As Diddy heads

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to trial, we trace

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his remarkable rise and

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fall. And what could

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be next? Listen to

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