10:00

books, he's anything but he's very much a

10:02

flawed human with all of the weaknesses and

10:04

all of the failings that humans experience and

10:06

ultimately ends really badly for him. If they

10:08

get a third movie, I imagine they're going

10:10

to explore that very effectively. But it's

10:13

able to wrap up all of these different

10:15

ideas and explore all of these different ideas

10:17

within a compelling narrative. And I think

10:19

that's the key to storytelling with something

10:22

like Dune. I'll

10:24

give you another example of a show that I

10:26

just began season two of House

10:28

of Dragon and House of Dragon also has

10:30

something to say about, I don't

10:33

know about the patriarchy, but a historical fact

10:35

that the arc of history bends towards male

10:37

leaders and female leaders have been, have been,

10:39

have found it difficult to arrive at power.

10:41

That's part of the story of House of

10:44

Dragon. But again, I don't feel like it's

10:46

being hammered over my head to the sacrifice

10:48

of the story. I don't know how you

10:50

feel. I like House of Dragon. Yeah. No,

10:53

I think they've done a really good job with that.

10:55

And yeah, the show certainly acknowledges the fact that throughout

10:58

history, yes, traditionally men who, who lead,

11:00

who go to war. And as a

11:02

result, they become the kings of the

11:04

land and the,

11:08

the sacrifices and the

11:11

dangers that face a lot of the

11:13

female characters in this is pregnancy and

11:15

given birth. You see it certainly in

11:17

season one, like more than one female

11:20

character either passes away or experiences

11:22

great trauma through, through giving birth

11:24

and the positions that they're put

11:26

in because of that. So it

11:29

tackles it from a different point of

11:31

view, but it doesn't give you weak

11:33

characters. They're still extremely strong, interesting characters.

11:35

They're just not necessarily swinging an ax

11:37

on a battlefield and it

11:40

does it particularly well because the male characters

11:42

are not diminished and they're not made to

11:44

look like idiots in order to make the

11:46

women look better. So you've

11:49

got an interesting character, competent character

11:51

and they balance out nicely, I

11:53

think. And

11:55

in a, to your point, in a believable

11:57

way, it doesn't have to be Rey in

11:59

Star Wars. defeating men all over the battlefield.

12:02

It's a female Targaryen, completely

12:07

adept and ruthless when it comes to politics,

12:10

much more believable to her physical stature and

12:12

of course history, even though it's in a

12:14

fantasy land. It just makes it all the

12:16

much more enjoyable. Now, I asked

12:19

a nerd erotic this, I said, what should

12:21

I be watching that I'm not watching? And

12:23

so one of the things

12:25

he said is good is Shogun. I should

12:27

ask you that same question. And I did

12:29

watch Shogun, James Clavell's 1970s

12:31

book turned into

12:33

a new series right now on FX. And

12:37

again, well, I loved Shogun and this is

12:39

good because I don't think everything we talk

12:41

about has to be some indictment of something

12:44

that's been made. This is an endorsement. Now

12:46

this is right down the fairway of things

12:48

that I like. Well, I like history, I

12:50

like historical fiction, I like narrative nonfiction, I

12:53

like learning as I'm entertained. So I love

12:56

Shogun. I'd never thought about, what is it?

12:58

1600s, Japan and

13:01

the age of exploration, intersection with Western

13:03

civilization. Actually, I don't know, I love

13:05

Shogun. What do you think of it?

13:08

Fantastic show. Yeah, performances are superb, the

13:10

writing's excellent, the characters are interesting. And

13:12

it's such an interesting insight into a

13:14

culture that we don't know a huge

13:16

amount over here. It's

13:18

something that we don't have any direct experience of.

13:21

And so you learn so much as you go

13:23

through it and it's a very different, very alien

13:25

culture, but you learn the underpinnings of why they

13:27

do things the way they do and how important

13:29

honor is to them and so on. It's

13:32

fascinating, yeah. And it treats the audience with

13:34

respect. It doesn't treat them like idiots.

13:37

And it treats the characters with respect as

13:39

well and expects you to keep up with

13:41

what's going on. So yeah, for all those

13:43

reasons, Shogun is a fantastic show. I

13:47

also like what you talked about its message.

13:49

It has something to say. And it's talking

13:51

about this clash of cultures and civilizations where

13:53

one is kind of inherently selfish. That's

13:56

the Western view of his place in

13:58

the world versus the other. highest, the

14:00

highest calling in this in this civilization,

14:02

the East is duty and honor. And

14:05

what stuck out to me about that, in modern

14:07

American cinema, despite you and I talking about

14:09

this, like the message, the message that keeps shoving

14:11

message at us, in a way, it's

14:14

always the same message. It's like, be

14:16

true to yourself, you know, whatever that

14:19

is, your sexuality, your gender, it's

14:21

like, be a flower that's fully in

14:23

bloom. We keep getting that over and

14:26

over and over, no matter how much

14:28

the world tells you that you're not

14:30

supposed to flower, let your petals out. Yeah.

14:33

Yeah. A lot of the messaging now seems to

14:35

be in Hollywood movies for sure. You're

14:38

perfect the way you are. And you

14:40

just need to realize your own potential or your

14:42

own awesomeness. And the rest of the world just

14:44

needs to deal with that. You

14:47

know, the pervasive measures that you

14:49

used to get, particularly in American

14:51

cinema, was about improving yourself, like

14:53

striving to overcome odds and having

14:55

to better yourself and perhaps learn

14:57

something about yourself in the process.

14:59

You know, personal growth comes through

15:01

struggle. Whereas the message now is

15:04

you've done all the growing that you need to do and you're perfect

15:06

and it's the rest of the world who needs to adapt to you,

15:09

which is, it's not a great message

15:11

to arm people for dealing with life, I don't think,

15:13

because life does throw a lot of challenges at you

15:16

and you have to often change to adapt to that.

15:20

You know, I probably watch more

15:23

than I should be watching, Drinker. I mean, I

15:25

know this. In fact, I think I've watched so

15:28

many series and movies that just in the last

15:30

couple of weeks I decided I'm going to stop

15:32

and I'm going to go back to

15:34

reading more books, devoting more time to reading

15:36

books. And I picked, I'm reading both a

15:38

Michael Crichton book right now and a historical

15:41

nonfiction book about

15:44

Captain James Cook. But

15:47

I'm curious, do you

15:49

think there is some genre out

15:51

there that isn't well explored, that's

15:53

not fully saturated? I'm

15:56

an American. I'm from Texas.

15:58

I love westerns. I'm

16:01

going to be interviewing a little bit later this

16:04

week, Kevin Costner about Horizon. I loved Yellowstone, but

16:07

there's a lot of westerns. Do you think there's

16:09

a genre out there that's not

16:11

being explored that were you, and I know

16:13

you do write, were you

16:15

to write something new or were you to produce?

16:17

You'd be interested in mining that genre? Well,

16:22

I think we're getting to that point now

16:25

where essentially every genre that you can do

16:27

within Hollywood has been explored already. It's just

16:29

a natural result of the passage of time.

16:31

We have more and more time. There's more

16:33

and more services like studios,

16:35

streaming services that are putting out content

16:37

constantly. I think the next big

16:40

frontier for movies is going to be video

16:42

game adaptations. That is the

16:44

thing that they've tried on and off over the years.

16:46

They've had a few successes,

16:48

mostly failures, because they didn't know how to

16:50

do it right. Only in the

16:52

past few years have they really started to crack

16:54

it. I think once they

16:56

do, you have got

16:59

decades and decades worth of hugely

17:01

popular video games with enormous audiences.

17:05

The amount of money in that

17:07

industry dwarfs Hollywood easily. So when

17:09

they find the way to properly

17:11

adapt those, that's

17:13

going to be the next superhero craze. As

17:16

much as superheroes rode the box office for the past

17:18

10 years, I think video game adaptations are probably going

17:20

to be the next thing. Well,

17:23

give me an example though. Like Call

17:25

of Duty. What would you turn in? What would be

17:27

some great ones that would be turned into movies? Right.

17:30

I mean, there's things that they have

17:33

tried unsuccessfully. For example, the

17:35

Tomb Raider games, hugely popular. They've never quite cracked

17:37

it in terms of the actress, the director, that

17:39

sort of thing. Angelina Jolie had a good shot

17:41

at it. The Resident

17:43

Evil series, they have failed consistently with that. But

17:46

my goodness, if they ever get it right, they've

17:48

got a gold mine on their hands. Yeah,

17:51

probably you could make a decent movie out

17:53

of the Call of Duty games as well.

17:55

Just a straight up action thriller with lots

17:57

of espionage stuff going on. Pretty

17:59

easy stuff. So pretty adaptable. Same

18:02

thing with the sci-fi stuff, like the Halo series.

18:04

They tried to turn that into a TV show.

18:06

I don't think it's been particularly popular. But if

18:08

they actually find a way to do it right,

18:11

again, it's a goldmine. They've pretty much succeeded

18:13

with The Last of Us. That's

18:15

been a pretty popular show on HBO. So

18:18

we'll see what they do with season two, because that

18:20

could be a tricky one. You know the games.

18:24

Yeah. It's funny,

18:26

I'm not a huge gamer. So I didn't even know The Last of

18:28

Us was a game, but I did watch the series on

18:30

HBO. I think that's

18:33

a great, I mean, you're absolutely

18:35

right. See, but

18:37

to some extent, that's a reflection

18:40

of capitalism and marketing that you're

18:42

going to play into existing characters.

18:44

It's smart, right? You

18:46

want to sell the audience something you know

18:48

the audience already likes, and that would be

18:50

video games. It's also a little bit of

18:52

a crutch and reflects, I think, the lack

18:54

of creativity in coming up with something new.

18:56

I don't fault them. I

18:59

mean, a successful Halo series

19:01

would be gangbusters, but

19:05

I also would just like to see a little more creativity

19:08

of coming up with something new that

19:10

I would like to believe is still in Hollywood. Yeah.

19:14

It's partly, well, it's very much a problem

19:16

of money, because if you're going to drop

19:18

$200, $300 million on

19:20

a movie or a TV show, you need to

19:22

be pretty sure that that money is going to

19:24

pay off. That the gamble is going to pay

19:26

off, and you're going to get your investment back,

19:28

because it's a lot to drop. And so that's

19:31

why they take on these supposedly safe bets. That's

19:33

why you see so many remakes of old shows

19:35

or old movies, trying to capitalize

19:37

on that existing fan base and take

19:40

the road that's well-traveled, you know, that

19:42

they think will be successful again. Doesn't

19:45

always work, because people are not too keen

19:47

on remakes generally, but they keep trying. And

19:49

I think, yeah, again, video games would be

19:51

a reflection of that, that trying to have

19:53

a safe bet. You

19:57

have that video up on your YouTube channel, Critical

19:59

Drink, you're talking about. I

26:00

can spend a lot of time talking about what's not good

26:02

and I don't want to watch what's not good. I'm not

26:04

going to watch Star Wars, act like. And

26:06

it's not a protest, it's about time

26:08

and investment. Why would I

26:10

give my time to it? So

26:12

what should I be that I might not be watching right

26:15

now, Will? Well, you're already watching

26:17

House of the Dragons, so that's definitely a

26:19

good start. The

26:21

Gentleman on, I think it's

26:23

Netflix, it's the Guy Ritchie show. It's based kind

26:25

of an offshoot of the movie that he did.

26:29

Again, a really good one. If you like

26:31

those sort of Guy Ritchie, lock stock in

26:33

Two Smoking Barrels or Snatch, that sort of

26:35

thing. It's great stuff. It's really funny, really

26:38

complex storytelling with lots of

26:41

betrayals and stuff and great

26:43

well-written characters. So that's a good one. And

26:46

probably Cobra Kai as well. That is a personal favorite

26:48

of mine. It's been going a few years now. I

26:50

think this is the last season this year. Tremendously

26:53

entertaining, brilliantly funny, a

26:57

great continuation of that Karate

27:00

Kid franchise from the

27:02

80s. Somehow they found a way to bring

27:04

it into the modern day but still keep

27:06

the beating heart of it going. And yeah,

27:08

I really enjoy that. I'm

27:11

on a good path. I've watched them both. Okay, last

27:13

two questions about the industry real quick. So

27:17

I've seen you talk about this on your channel. There's

27:20

no movie stars anymore. And this has been a while

27:22

in the making. I don't know

27:24

when we had our last movie star, when the last

27:26

one was built. Entertainment

27:28

is fractured. But what I find

27:30

fascinating about this, it's not just that

27:32

we don't have movie stars. It's almost

27:35

as though talent is interchangeable. You have a

27:37

very short shelf life as a movie star,

27:39

a quote unquote movie star, a leading man,

27:41

whatever it may be. But

27:44

I'm curious as to why. Because

27:47

when you see content fractured up,

27:50

this extends to what you do for a living now

27:52

and what I do as well. It

27:54

actually lends power back to the quote unquote

27:56

talent. I hate that word, but

27:59

it does because because the power shifts

28:01

away from the distributor. When there's just

28:03

a couple of distributors, they have all the power about who

28:05

will be stars and who will not be stars, right? But

28:08

now that the power's in the content

28:10

creator's hands, it makes them even more

28:12

valuable. I think you see that,

28:14

for example, by the way, in the news is

28:16

Stephen A. Smith's been offered $18

28:18

million by ESPN, and that's an opening

28:20

offer. So I'm just curious,

28:23

like, well then,

28:25

where's the money going if they don't

28:27

appreciate stars in content?

28:29

Is it showrunners? It's definitely

28:31

got to shift to the content creator. So

28:34

where are the stars? I

28:37

think the stars kind of vanished, particularly

28:39

with the advent of the

28:41

superhero movies that really just took over cinema

28:44

for such a long time, because people were

28:46

no longer going to the cinema to see

28:48

their favorite movie star, they were going to

28:50

see their favorite character. And

28:52

so that's a very big difference. And

28:54

when you have that, you essentially nullify the

28:56

need for a movie star. You just need

28:59

an actor who can play that character, and

29:01

that's what people are interested in seeing. And

29:04

we've kind of never gotten out

29:06

of that slump. And I don't know if

29:08

we will. And the other

29:10

part of the equation, I suppose, is

29:12

that things like social media have made

29:14

movie stars a lot more accessible, which

29:17

is not necessarily a good thing, because

29:20

they used to have a mystique. We'll find out who they are. Yeah,

29:23

exactly. We get to see who they really are. And

29:25

a lot of the time, they're not people that we

29:27

really want to know anymore about. That's

29:30

disappointing, but it robs them of them mystique, and

29:32

it robs them of their intrigue

29:34

and their star power, because they're just

29:36

humans like us. And we get

29:38

to hear every mundane thought that they have, and

29:41

it's often not very inspiring. So those two things

29:43

have kind of crippled the concept of the movie

29:45

star, sadly. All

29:47

right, finally, you've got another video up

29:50

about this, and we started our conversation here. They

29:53

keep blaming their problems on the audience. It's

29:56

almost as though it's intentional. Is

29:59

it intentional? this concept of fan baiting.

30:02

Is all the controversy and making the

30:04

audience mad part of marketing? Yeah,

30:07

apparently it is. I've seen various

30:10

reports about this, people trying to do

30:12

like expose on it and trying to

30:14

describe how the industry works. And I

30:16

think for certain studios, it's become standard

30:18

practice where they will intentionally make

30:21

a big song and dance about the fact

30:23

that they've changed the race and gender of

30:25

sexuality of certain characters in their new project.

30:28

They know that the fans would be unhappy

30:30

about that because it's disrespecting the source material.

30:33

They then parlay that into it

30:35

being motivated by racism or sexism,

30:37

bigotry, whatever. And they

30:40

could use that to garner sympathetic coverage from

30:42

the media and a big old storm of

30:44

controversy that gets lots of people talking about

30:46

their project. So it's essentially free marketing. It's

30:48

done in the dirtiest and most unpleasant way

30:50

possible. But it's effective. So

30:53

yeah, that's what they've been doing in a lot of cases. All

30:58

right, well, good luck. By the way, I'm taking

31:00

it as Scotland. You're rooting for

31:02

Scotland for a little while. Well, I did until they

31:04

got pooners over the weekend. Right. So

31:08

out of curiosity, do you shift any allegiance

31:10

at all to England at that point? Or

31:13

like what's the modern day relationship between Scotland and England?

31:15

Is it William Wallace still? Or are you going to

31:17

root for England? This is going to

31:19

get me hunted down in Scotland, like if I

31:21

say this. But yeah, a little bit to some

31:23

extent because there's still a British side. So OK,

31:25

they're close enough. Yeah, I know it's England. Yeah,

31:27

I know they can be real annoying about it

31:29

at times. But I guess I would rather they

31:31

won than someone like Italy

31:33

or France or whatever. So yeah,

31:35

I'll reluctantly shift my support to

31:37

England now. OK,

31:39

all right. All

31:42

right, man, critical drinker. Will Jordan,

31:44

thanks so much, man. We'll check you out on YouTube. Everybody should

31:46

check him out. If you ever have a piece of content that

31:48

you're curious about, should I watch this? Or why is it so

31:50

bad? He's going to be your man to tell you. Appreciate

31:53

it so much, Will. Thank you. Thanks,

31:56

Will. All

31:58

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Would you rather have a president with whom you'd

33:28

like to have a beer with or who's the

33:30

boss? Paul Scallis runs

33:34

a sub-stack and he's been

33:36

a guest here on the Wilkain Show and

33:38

his ex-handle is Lindy Man. He talks about

33:40

the concept of Lindy a lot. Lindy is

33:42

the idea that if

33:45

something has survived the test of

33:47

human trial and error, if

33:49

something is a tradition, if it's been around

33:51

for hundreds and certainly in the case thousands

33:55

of years, it has by

33:57

its very inherent survival value.

34:00

And that's absolutely true. That's part of the

34:02

conservative nature, by the way. You

34:04

don't just wake up with every

34:06

generation and these days, every couple years thinking,

34:08

oh, I can perfect humanity, ignoring,

34:11

what a small speck, not just in

34:13

the universe, but on the timeline you

34:15

actually are. Literally, something that's been around

34:17

for thousands of years has value. Now,

34:19

that is not to say, because it's

34:21

been around for thousands of years, we

34:24

just defer and continue,

34:26

I give you slavery. But,

34:29

it also, slavery is

34:31

an interesting thing to study. Martyr

34:34

Maid, Darrell Cooper has a long series,

34:37

podcast, 10 part series about

34:39

the history of slavery, because once again, in our

34:41

own hubris, like our

34:44

own lack of humility, we think slavery was

34:46

invented in America, or maybe

34:48

in the Caribbean. And we're the

34:50

first to ever have

34:52

slavery. Slavery has been around forever,

34:55

by the way, in various forms.

34:57

And here's something controversial, yet historically

34:59

true. Slavery was an advancement

35:01

in human civilization. The first form of slavery

35:03

was when you conquered another village, you conquered

35:06

another tribe, you took them

35:08

as slaves. But the truth is, prior to taking

35:10

them as slaves, do you know what you did

35:12

when you conquered another village, you conquered another tribe?

35:15

Murder, you killed everyone in the village.

35:17

When there was some economic value to

35:20

the vanquished, then they became slaves.

35:23

And this is on and on through

35:25

civilization, and tribe after tribe, and thousands

35:27

of years. But still,

35:30

the point there is to think of yourself as a little bit

35:32

more than the master of the universe

35:34

in your small little 20 year

35:37

vision of humanity. If it's been

35:39

around forever, then it

35:41

might consider, it might

35:43

deserve some consideration. Well, with

35:46

that backdrop, Lindyman, who constantly thinks about how is

35:48

this work in

35:51

the whole grand scheme of humanity,

35:53

asks, would you rather have a leader,

35:57

a president, that you want to have a beer with,

35:59

or? leader who's the boss. He

36:02

points back to a video about

36:04

a year ago of Ron DeSantis, Governor of

36:06

Florida, having a beer. You

36:09

know, a Coors Light. Awkwardly, if

36:11

we're being honest, Ron

36:14

DeSantis stands have found themselves among the most sensitive

36:16

in the political sphere. You can't point out the

36:18

obvious truths even when you like Ron DeSantis. And

36:20

I really like Ron DeSantis. But

36:23

it's awkward him attempting to have the beer with

36:25

a constituency. And he

36:27

writes, one of the things that makes Trump successful

36:31

is he is always in CEO

36:33

boss mode, even when

36:35

campaigning in public. The citizens act like

36:37

employees and they are grateful their boss

36:39

is being nice to him. Most

36:41

politicians try to be one of the regular

36:43

guys and it looks awkward. Trump

36:46

is just the boss and most people

36:48

have a boss and act accordingly.

36:51

Now let's state the obvious. You

36:54

don't work for the President of the United

36:56

States. The President of the United States works

36:59

for you, the American. These are public servants

37:01

and that's the proper view of public

37:03

service. Still, we

37:05

can understand as part of that public

37:07

service, you become the most powerful man

37:10

in the world, certainly when it comes to the

37:12

presidency. And that's gonna come with

37:14

it some aura

37:18

of the boss. That way for every leader

37:20

for thousands of years, from

37:22

emperors and generals to prime

37:24

ministers and presidents, they're

37:27

certainly, despite the fact that they work

37:29

for us, the aura of the

37:31

boss. So why do we try to like have

37:34

this pretense that they're the

37:36

everyman, you know? Well I think

37:38

the answer honestly is you want a bit of both

37:40

and you never want neither. I mean

37:43

look, Biden and Hillary Clinton are clearly neither.

37:45

That's not partisan. You don't want to have

37:47

a beer and you don't feel like they're the boss.

37:50

Certainly with Biden. Maybe you could tell yourself

37:52

that Hillary Clinton was some form of girl

37:54

boss. But

37:57

Donald Trump actually pulls off both. It's

37:59

true. He gives off boss

38:01

vibe. You walk into any room

38:04

and he is the boss. He

38:07

just did the All In podcast, which is huge,

38:09

Silicon Valley. I don't know about billionaires, but

38:13

maybe, but definitely hundred millionaires.

38:15

David Sachs, Chamath Palapatiya, Jason

38:17

Calcanis and Siskis

38:19

Hassel Podcast, the All In podcast. They all wore

38:21

suits. They never wear suits. They

38:24

all wore suits to match the

38:26

boss, to interview Donald Trump. But

38:29

I've been around him. It's interesting.

38:32

There is that aura, but he also wants you

38:34

to be happy. He's like the ultimate host. Like

38:37

he's, how's your food? How you doing? You

38:41

know, it's this,

38:44

and jokes and laughs and

38:47

is in on the joke. He even

38:49

laughs at himself in some ways. It's

38:52

a very much of a guy vibe, if you know what I

38:54

mean. And as

38:57

such, you know, kind of an

38:59

every man. Not awkward, not holding

39:01

himself out above, but yet stands

39:04

somewhat above. He's pulled off this

39:06

ability to be both. And if you haven't met

39:08

him, I would understand. And

39:11

this isn't like, oh, I've met Donald. No, I'm

39:13

just saying if you haven't met him, I'd understand if you only

39:15

see the boss version. But look at some

39:17

of the videos when he walks into a Dairy Queen. When

39:20

he walks into Tony and Nick's, you

39:22

know, cheesesteaks in Philadelphia. That's

39:25

not, you know, an emperor

39:28

asking you to kiss the cloak. That's

39:30

him polling people. Hey, what do we

39:32

think of vice presidency?

39:34

Who do you think? Oh, okay. You

39:37

like JD Vance? Oh,

39:39

you like Vivek? Okay. You know, he's, and

39:41

he's interested. He's not just doing it. He's

39:43

interested in hearing him. I

39:47

mean, it's like the difference

39:49

between talking at and talking with people. And

39:51

I think that

39:56

the true thing we're trying

39:58

to decide here what's

40:00

real what's authentic

40:04

don't pretend to be an everyman don't pretend to

40:06

drink Coors Lights with me if

40:08

you don't drink Coors Lights with

40:11

the people don't

40:13

pretend to be the boss if you've never

40:16

been the boss that's like Michael

40:19

Dukakis wearing a helmet on the back of

40:21

a tank didn't fit didn't feel authentic in

40:25

the end it's just got to be real and for Donald Trump

40:27

it's real to be like one

40:29

of the guys and the boss so who

40:32

do you want to be your president you

40:36

want the guy to be real and right now

40:38

for the moment in time I don't think

40:40

we really need someone to have a beer with

40:43

I we really need somebody competent to take charge

40:46

and to be the boss it's

40:49

okay to root for America it is

40:52

even when it's against my own personal team's

40:54

interests it's okay if you thought

40:56

Boston Celtics winning NBA

40:58

Finals was a win for America and

41:01

Michael Phelps ready to fight for America that's

41:03

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41:17

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41:19

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41:45

the way to our producer tinfoil Pat his

41:47

Florida Panthers are the NHL

41:50

champion tinfoil

41:52

really quickly want to ask you this exuberance

41:56

like like feel like

41:58

a champion today or relief feel like you

42:00

avoided being a loser. Because choking up a

42:03

3-0 lead would have

42:05

been historical. Like the worst, the worst thing

42:07

in the world. The Oilers came back after

42:09

Panthers were up 3-0 to tie it 3-3.

42:13

And that would have, you know like for

42:15

the Mavericks losing to the Celtics, for me, I

42:17

really didn't want to be somebody that was swept. To

42:20

be honest, I take a little bit of pride in that one game.

42:23

You don't want to go down the history books. And you

42:25

would have been page one in the worst form of

42:27

losing in the history books. So exuberance

42:29

or relief that you're the NHL or

42:31

the Stanley Cup champion? I

42:34

mean, during the game, you know, I could

42:36

just feel it slipping away, even with the

42:38

one goal lead. But

42:41

once it hits, you know, zeros, it's

42:43

exuberance all the way. I mean, the

42:47

Stanley Cup, winning the Stanley Cup and seeing it

42:49

lifted up, it's just

42:51

a different feeling. I don't know. You

42:53

can't, it gets past

42:55

that feeling of relief. Yeah, but it would have been bad. It

42:58

would have been bad. It would have been bad.

43:00

It would have been real bad. I

43:03

mean, you know, Bill Simmons used to

43:06

write a column, levels of losing. I

43:08

think it would have reached the apex,

43:10

like the worst level of losing. By

43:13

the way, as we're talking about championships here, we're

43:17

going to put a button on my Dallas Mavericks

43:19

losing to the Boston Celtics. But I was listening

43:21

to Dallas Sports Talk radio the other day, and

43:23

they were real mad about former NBA player Nick

43:25

Young saying that the

43:27

Celtics being the Mavs was a win

43:29

for America. Here, I want you

43:31

to listen to what Nick Young had to say

43:34

about the Celtics versus the Mavs and

43:36

Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown versus Luca

43:38

Doncic. Here's former NBA player, Nick Young.

43:43

Cause we won, baby. America won,

43:45

baby. Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown did

43:48

it for America. They

43:50

put Luca out. Oh

43:53

my God. I

43:55

got so tired of everybody talking

43:57

about these foreigners and America. America's

44:00

here, baby. It's America's league, baby. It's

44:02

America's league. I hope y'all see it.

44:04

Save them here, motherfucker. Bam. That's Nick

44:06

Young. And you know how

44:08

I like regionalism, you know? I probably like

44:11

cities over states and states over countries and

44:13

countries over globalists. But

44:23

the guys in Dallas were super mad about this because, you

44:25

know, we ride with Luca. But

44:27

I actually get it. Like if you're not a

44:29

Mavericks fan, you know, I think

44:32

it's perfectly fine to celebrate the Celtics

44:34

over the Mavs, to root for Boston

44:36

over Dallas in this case because their

44:38

best players in Boston are Americans. Now

44:40

– and Dallas' best player is from

44:43

Slovenia. Now let me say, there has

44:45

been this racial tension going on. We talked about it

44:47

here with Andy Murray on the Friday

44:49

edition of Canon Sports. There is definitely a racial

44:51

component that – where,

44:53

you know, the NBA is supposed to be

44:56

black and the best players can't be, you

44:58

know, Nikola Jokic and Luca Doncic. And that

45:00

was Gilbert Arenas' show, by the way. And

45:02

Gilbert Arenas, I think, has said something like

45:04

that. So that's

45:06

different. I'm not into the racial identity

45:09

politics, tribalism of basketball. But

45:12

national tribalism and politics? Yeah, absolutely.

45:15

We invented basketball. Come on,

45:17

peach baskets. It's okay. Two

45:20

a days, tin foil. I'm okay with this. Like,

45:23

you know, Young Establishment James is a

45:25

Celtics fan, but just take random dude

45:27

from Jacksonville, by the way.

45:29

I heard Jacksonville described as America's pawn shop.

45:31

Like, if pawn shops were a city, it

45:34

would be Jacksonville. Wow.

45:37

It's true. Which tin foil –

45:39

tin foil lives in Jacksonville. But

45:42

random dude from Jacksonville. I

45:44

think you can look at the Celtics over the Mavs and say,

45:47

win for America. Do you guys disagree? I'm

45:50

a little biased. I don't like Boston sports, being

45:52

a New York sports fan. But like

45:55

I said, I was rooting for the Mavs. I

45:57

like the Mavs. So I don't

45:59

know. It's a tough call, but you know,

46:02

it's a win for America, I would say. Yeah.

46:05

Mavs best player from Slovenia, Celtics

46:07

best players from America. I don't

46:09

mind somebody celebrating that tin foil.

46:12

It gets a, it gets a little confusing. Um,

46:15

because like yesterday to bring the

46:17

Panthers back into this, they

46:19

beat the Canadian team, kept

46:22

the 31 year streak going where we

46:24

have the cup in America. But

46:27

our captain is finished. So, I mean,

46:30

you know, where do you draw? I don't know where you draw the line. Well,

46:34

hockey's going to be tough. Yeah. Players and,

46:36

and, uh, you know, but, but I do

46:38

think, yeah, I mean, as long

46:41

as the Raptors don't win it, I, you know,

46:43

I think that it's a win for America overall

46:45

in general, and then you go down to

46:47

players. Yeah.

46:50

Well, look, good luck getting an all American hockey

46:52

team. If Rachel can't post stuff, he made the

46:54

argument to me that hockey was the most patriotic

46:56

sport this past weekend. I mean,

46:59

patriotic for who? For Canada, for Finland. Like, what

47:01

are we talking about here? How many Americans, what

47:03

is it? 30% is 30% of the ice American

47:05

at this point. Like

47:08

if I take a random selection of

47:11

hockey players skating on the ice at

47:13

any given moment, what percentage is

47:15

American? I'm going to put the over under 35%. What

47:18

I'm, what I'm looking at right now, I take the under what I'm looking

47:21

at right now is 29.3% of the league is American. Pretty

47:25

good. The US born. I

47:30

am so okay with nationalism. Like what

47:32

is wrong with it? I'm okay. And

47:34

this is part of what I like

47:36

about sports. Like again, back to the

47:39

Euro 2024 and the Copa America. I

47:41

mean, it's awesome. We get to root

47:43

for the red, white, and blue. And

47:45

I know there's going to be anti-soccer

47:47

guy out there and anti-soccer guys, even

47:49

on this show, multiple anti-soccer guys on

47:51

this show, but what an awesome opportunity to root for

47:53

the red, white, and blue. And

47:56

also by the way, anti-soccer guy is also

47:58

anti-Olympic guy. Huge crawler. crossover and

48:00

I like both. I like Olympics

48:02

and soccer.

48:05

And we got the Olympics in a few months. This

48:07

is partly because I played an Olympic sport growing up,

48:10

you know, for swimming and water polo. And

48:13

this caught my attention. Michael Phelps

48:15

just being so pro-America. He was

48:18

shown a video, of course, you

48:20

know, America's greatest all-time swimmer. I

48:22

mean, up there, by the way, in any Mount Rushmore

48:24

of great athletes. It's just fact, the way he dominated.

48:29

Was shown a video by this Australians when we're

48:31

talking this way about America. I want you to

48:33

listen to Phelps's reaction. So

48:35

much sweeter beating America. Yeah. Particularly

48:38

the first night of competition where

48:40

we did not have to hear

48:43

star spangled banner ring out through

48:45

the stadium. And I cannot tell

48:47

you how happy that made me.

48:49

So for the Americans, if

48:52

you see what I just saw, that's the first time I saw

48:54

it. I would watch that thing every single

48:56

day to give me that

48:58

little extra bit of just, I mean, I'm

49:03

yeah, that, that's

49:06

awesome. Well, the good news

49:08

is the Olympics will be here

49:10

shortly and we'll be able to see what the results

49:12

are. Well,

49:15

what's fun about that video and we edited it just

49:18

a little bit for time, but my favorite part and

49:20

it wouldn't play in audio is when

49:22

he's watching the video, it's his

49:24

facial expressions. It's authentic, like random

49:26

eyebrow raises, random like force upside

49:29

down smiles. You know, the ones

49:31

that aren't real smiles, more

49:34

like smiles right before you stab someone in

49:37

medieval Europe. He's legit not happy. And she

49:39

would just going on on like, I hate

49:41

USA USA chance. I never want to hear

49:44

the star spangled banner. They're cowbells and that's

49:46

awesome. She's Australian. So be pro Australian. That's

49:48

great. And that's a bit of a swimming

49:50

rivalry because it's the two best in the

49:53

world. Used to

49:55

be US and Russia. Now

49:57

it's US and Australia and has been for. 20

50:00

plus years, but um He's

50:03

legit like he's mad and

50:05

I love it and I love

50:07

to see that Ride

50:11

or die for the red white and blue USA

50:14

makes me want to watch the Olympics

50:16

even more and I don't begrudge that

50:18

Australian whatever her name is as she

50:22

Ticks off the greatest swimmer of all time

50:24

who will not be in the water, but

50:26

might just motivate other Americans. It's okay To

50:30

root for America. All right That's gonna do

50:32

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