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butter cups? Probably so they never

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imagine? I'd lose it. Luckily, Reese's

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thought about that. Wouldn't what else

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they think about? Probably chocolate and

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peanut butter. When Luigi Mangioni was

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arrested for allegedly shooting the

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CEO of United Healthcare. He

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Is it going right now? The

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guy to the right of me was completely

0:46

not on time after he looked me

0:48

dead in my eyes and said that

0:50

in the wait room to be on

0:52

time. So he looked at me and

0:54

went. How late was he?

0:56

Twenty minutes. And it's

0:59

like, NBA time is

1:01

not bad, but

1:03

just free, he

1:08

So,

1:25

to episode 22 of The Young

1:27

Man in the Three, presented as

1:30

always by three, four, two productions

1:32

and wondery media. Our episode today

1:35

is with Mr. Jaylon Williams and

1:37

Mr. Alex Crusoe. We taped this

1:39

on Friday afternoon in Oklahoma City.

1:42

Those guys are always comedy. We

1:44

got about hour, hour and 10

1:46

with them that we'll get to

1:49

in a minute. Before we get

1:51

to that. Trey Murphy has joined

1:53

us again graciously live from a

1:56

library somewhere in Los

1:58

Angeles. What's up man? What's

2:00

good brother? Also, I don't have

2:02

a sling on, but my elbow

2:04

is elevated to making sure people

2:06

don't think I'm being not

2:09

compliant. You're slacking already? No,

2:11

I'm not. Not elevated? Four

2:13

days in. Doctor three, have.

2:15

Doctor's orders. Calm down, everybody.

2:17

Before we get to those guys,

2:19

try to, uh, sort of quick

2:22

things I wanted to ask you

2:24

about. I wanted it. talk about

2:26

the Thunder a little bit because

2:28

this is sort of the theme

2:30

of the episode. You know these

2:32

guys well. You've played against them

2:35

in the playoffs. Right now, there's

2:37

64 and 12 best record against

2:39

an opposing conference in NBA history,

2:41

29 and 1. They have 50 double-digit

2:43

wins, 28 and 8 against teams,

2:45

over 500. This team is just

2:48

that the second best net rating

2:50

in NBA history, which we talked

2:52

about on Friday, been saying. only

2:55

behind the 96 bowls. This team

2:57

is just a unit across the

2:59

board. What do you think having, you

3:01

know, having to deal with these

3:03

guys? Like what is your thought

3:06

process been, you know, sort of

3:08

prepping for them? It's funny you

3:10

say that because me, I heard

3:12

we're actually talking about them yesterday

3:14

because we were just always

3:17

just like. My rookie year would be

3:19

up on them of like 20 points. Like

3:21

it would be like never like almost every

3:24

single time we'd be up in about like

3:26

20 points in the first half and

3:28

they came back every single time made

3:30

it a closed game and Then that's

3:32

when I was like, oh, these are

3:34

just don't quit like they never stop

3:36

playing and you know, once they get

3:38

like a room protected, they're gonna be

3:40

a really good team because they all

3:43

guard really well, play really hard and

3:45

have really hard and I have really

3:47

good. as good as they are now,

3:49

especially since they got Caruso and they

3:51

have five switchable defenders on the corridor

3:53

at all times. They have a lot

3:56

of, you know, roster flexibility is, it's

3:58

a great team. It is truly. speak

4:00

a little bit about the depth

4:02

because, you know, guys like, Kason

4:04

have been so great. Isaiah Joe, they've

4:07

had a ton of injuries. You

4:09

know, they've, outside of Shea, I don't

4:11

know the number in front of me,

4:13

but outside of Shea, they've had a

4:15

bunch of guys, including the guys on

4:17

the, on the up today, you know,

4:19

Dubs missed about 11 or 12 games.

4:22

Crusos missed, you know, close to 25.

4:24

But they just, it feels like next

4:26

man up, and it was sort of

4:28

like that from the beginning of the

4:30

year when Hardenstein went out before the

4:32

season. So their depth, what have you

4:34

sort of seen from that particular addition?

4:36

You mentioned the rim protector, but I

4:39

think that they all sort of acknowledged

4:41

they wanted to add an extra big

4:43

this past summer. It seems like he's

4:45

just fit in kind of great for them

4:47

across the board. Yeah, I mean, Hardenstein knows

4:49

I play basketball. He's always gonna

4:51

make the right play. and not do

4:53

too much on offense and then also

4:56

just play really hard defensively rebound a

4:58

ball well I think the biggest thing

5:00

with like why they still play so

5:02

well when they've had injuries is just

5:04

that that's their culture and no matter

5:06

who's on the floor they're gonna play

5:08

to the standard of what their culture

5:11

has already said so it's no surprise

5:13

I mean obviously they draft really will

5:15

too so that that definitely helps

5:17

and you know they've made you know good

5:19

moves in the all-season as well picking

5:21

up guys like Like I say, Caruso,

5:24

Hardenstein, and yeah, they're developing the young

5:26

guys. Can we shout out, Dub, for

5:28

a second? You're very friendly with him.

5:30

He loves you. Dub does not always

5:32

speak super highly about guys and other

5:34

teams, but he always speaks very highly,

5:37

but he always speaks very highly of

5:39

you. He's a guy that should be

5:41

all NBA this year. You guys are,

5:43

you know, two of the sort of

5:45

brightest young stars in the league. What

5:48

he brings is from just as a

5:50

matchup up. the definition of jack of

5:52

all trades. Yeah, for sure. I mean,

5:54

he does everything really well on

5:56

the court. He's, like the biggest

5:58

thing is his. his maturation like

6:01

his physicality like as his

6:03

years progressed like he's like he's

6:05

like when he first got so weak he

6:07

was like sort of strong like he was

6:09

still a little wiry but then like as

6:12

time has gone on he's got a lot

6:14

more physical a lot stronger barely and he's

6:16

been moving really well with you know the weight

6:18

he's been gaining it was funny when

6:20

we were at USA select camp it

6:22

was right before that picture came out where

6:25

he had where everybody was on Instagram

6:27

talking about how he was like built

6:29

like a four man and it was

6:31

like some Photoshop picture but he came

6:34

in the USA and they made him

6:36

play a four and he was hot

6:38

about that it was it was funny

6:40

because he actually is a pretty hefty

6:43

fellow so um yeah but he's really

6:45

good man I tell him I mean

6:47

I even said when he came in

6:49

to our facility with the pelicans I

6:51

was like he's not making it

6:54

to our pick But they were

6:56

talking about him being like a

6:58

late first round or a second

7:00

round guy. I was like, yeah, that's

7:02

not happening. Yeah, but this is

7:05

early in the process where they

7:07

had him slated, but I knew

7:09

he wasn't gonna last so

7:11

long. Just because we were talking

7:13

about the other day, Joker, 11,

7:15

10, 6 3's, you're a student

7:18

of the game. Your thoughts just

7:20

watching this at this point.

7:22

just seeing that knowing how hard it is

7:24

to do something like this. As crazy as

7:26

it sounds like you're not even really

7:28

a surprise like you're watching a game

7:30

and it's like whenever he is around like

7:32

that 10 like 7 to 10 foot area like

7:34

he throws a flow to use things going

7:37

to go in every single time and like

7:39

he missed a few bunnies during that game

7:41

which was what you probably would have had

7:43

like 70 if he made all those but

7:45

obviously you don't want to minimize it

7:48

because you're used to his greatness but

7:50

obviously like he's one of the best

7:52

players in the world and it's really

7:54

a toss-up between his MVP race because

7:56

what Shea is doing on this team

7:59

that has been the best net rating

8:01

since the 96 Bulls, like it's

8:03

hard to be like, all right, he can't,

8:05

like, you don't give him the MVP

8:08

because he's the best player on the

8:10

best team by like a lot, like

8:12

they're the best team by like a

8:14

long shot right now. So it's tough,

8:16

but I think y'all can just lose

8:18

in that game, doesn't really

8:21

help his case in a sense. I

8:23

feel like it and, you know, the kill.

8:25

being able to help that for his

8:27

cousin. I think that was pretty big for

8:29

him. I feel like that was an underrated

8:31

subplot of this was Nikil doing this

8:33

for his cousin. My thing, Cam and I, we

8:36

were talking about the same day with the MVP

8:38

race. When you got two options like this, like

8:40

we're not, you and I aren't voting, you

8:42

know what I mean? I'm kind of

8:44

like, this is, sometimes these, sometimes these

8:47

arguments turn into like dumb fights for

8:49

no reason, like these are two

8:51

extremely deserving candidates for no. Joker

8:53

for a second about just your

8:55

process, if you're on the floor

8:58

and he's going off like this

9:00

on a defensive level, what are

9:02

you, what are you doing? What's your,

9:04

how does your approach change when

9:06

you see him start humming like this?

9:09

I mean, I don't know what to

9:11

tell you, bro. And that's, anybody

9:13

else figured it out. We can't

9:15

really figure it out. Nah, it's

9:17

very personnel base, like. Minnesota last

9:19

year was like, well, only teams

9:21

was able to slow them down

9:23

because they had two seven footage

9:26

that could protect the rim. And

9:28

not many teams have that. Not like,

9:30

not the way the Minnesota had that. So

9:32

I couldn't tell you how to guard

9:34

them because I don't think anybody

9:36

can. So no, there's not really

9:38

answer for that. Mr. Trey Murphy,

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11:01

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11:03

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11:05

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Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Spotify,

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or Apple Podcasts. You had a tweet

11:53

last night. Lou Dort. Yeah. That's the part

11:55

of the year. He's a good Twitter. He doesn't

11:57

do it that much, but he dropped the last

11:59

night. I slowly, I don't know, probably

12:02

not, we'll do that after

12:04

this. Case and all. I don't

12:06

get on there. Yeah, we'll figure

12:08

it out. My favorite thing though

12:10

was watch the games. Yeah, I

12:12

got that from, let's talk about

12:14

watch the games, which is, it's such

12:16

a great saying and it's so important

12:19

because it's such a, it's

12:21

such an era of like highlights,

12:23

stat driven, like. If you

12:25

don't watch basketball, you miss so much

12:28

of what is going on in the

12:30

NBA. And especially with a team like

12:32

us, like we have so many different

12:34

guys that are eating off of the

12:37

same plate, that like if you don't

12:39

watch the games, you don't realize that

12:41

every single night the best players

12:43

are being guarded by Lou. Every single

12:45

night they're below their average or took,

12:47

you know, shot 35% from the field.

12:50

I said this last time when we

12:52

were on the one on the last

12:54

button like case and Wallace has blocked

12:56

the most jump shots this year in my

12:58

entire eight years in the league combined like he has

13:00

just an insane knack yeah I came up with

13:02

a I came up with a nickname formula the

13:04

other day I think does he like it he

13:06

doesn't know about it yeah he doesn't know about

13:09

it but I think it's gonna be all state

13:11

Okay, he does have good hands. Okay, so has great hands.

13:13

I think, yeah, it's a deal out of this. You need

13:15

at least like, yeah, I'm cameo for sure. I'll stay, yeah,

13:17

he's great. Yeah, oh, I'll stay, yeah, oh, I'll stay, yeah,

13:19

I like that one, even has like the little, I'm saying,

13:21

I'll be cool. That'll be cool. That'll be cool. That'll be

13:24

cool. That'll be like cool. That'll be cool. That'll be cool.

13:26

That'll be like a little. That'll be cool. That'll be

13:28

like a little. That'll be cool. That'll be like a

13:30

little. That'll be like a little. That'll be like a

13:32

little. That'll be cool. That'll be like a little. That'll

13:34

be like a little. That'll be like a little. I'll

13:37

be like a little. I'll be like a little. I'll

13:39

be like a little. I'll be like a little.

13:41

I'll be like and you're just like he had

13:43

30 again or he had 40 and it's just

13:45

like 30 again you're not really yeah you just

13:47

you kind of get desensitized like even like as

13:49

a teammate like I feel you probably get a

13:51

little desensitized to it because it's just like

13:53

he goes in there and like it's not I want

13:56

to say loud like he's not loud about it yeah

13:58

so it like goes under the radar and and

14:00

like I was like the betting and stuff

14:02

that happens now like people aren't actually like

14:04

watching what's going on so so we get

14:07

stuck in like this like wanting to go

14:09

back to like this nostalgic era and

14:11

we're not really like appreciating like how it's

14:13

hard it really is yeah we met we you miss

14:15

it like we want to go back to the

14:17

old era so bad that you're not

14:19

actually like paying attention to like how

14:21

great and how talented this league that we're

14:24

currently in it's also what I'm talking about

14:26

as far as like the the highlight era

14:28

and the clip farming and like all

14:30

that and like instead of actually watching

14:32

basketball it's like people complain about you

14:34

know what the NBA has become but

14:37

it's like if you sit down and

14:39

watch the games there's still new on

14:41

good basketball right if you're watching the top

14:43

half of the league like if you watch

14:46

good basketball there's still like elite

14:48

rotations elite ball movement elite

14:50

shot making like that's part of

14:52

it but like a lot of that

14:54

gets forgotten about because it's just like

14:56

a Like you said, look at this over-underline or

14:58

look at the, look at how many threes

15:00

they shot instead of like the actual substance

15:03

of the game. So I was talking to

15:05

Cam about this last night. How much of

15:07

this is a, it's easy to dump on

15:09

the media as like a monolith, but how

15:12

much is it actually a NBA media problem?

15:14

Like I would say, because you guys are

15:16

a very good local media here, I would

15:18

say like NBA national media problem

15:21

in terms of... the focus not

15:23

being on, not even just uplifting

15:25

specific players, but uplifting the fact

15:27

that you guys have 61 wins,

15:29

the fact that, you know, you have these

15:32

young guys across the board forgetting, you

15:34

know, the vets and the all-stars and

15:36

like that, who are coming up every

15:38

time, and there's way more of a

15:40

focus on just like, bullshit all the

15:42

time. There's not a, there's not a sense

15:45

of like, okay, we are going to talk

15:47

about, you know, what these guys are doing

15:49

on a nightly basis. I think a

15:51

lot of it is the national media.

15:53

I just don't, they don't be watching

15:55

the games either if I'm being honest,

15:57

bro. Everybody's just kind of like wait.

16:00

for, they're what drives it,

16:02

I think, is like, what I was

16:04

gonna say, like, they drive the

16:06

whole. Whatever they push out is

16:08

what people are going to respond

16:11

to, so it's like, obviously,

16:13

what they push out, that's what

16:15

the fans are gonna think. So

16:17

like, if you take, like, she's, like,

16:19

the foul thing with him. Nobody

16:21

actually looks at the fact that there's

16:24

like eight or nine people that is

16:26

fouled all the time. Yeah, he gets

16:28

fouled. He obviously should go to free

16:30

the line more. He leads the NBA

16:33

and drives and we're like the lowest

16:35

free throw shooting team in the

16:37

NBA. And he's not even like, I

16:39

think there's like six or seven

16:41

people ahead of him that shoot

16:43

more free throws. But because the

16:45

media doesn't like certain ways that he

16:48

gets fou, that becomes getting pushed as

16:50

like. can't do it. It's part of

16:52

that too is like you can't call

16:54

everyone and we know that but like

16:57

it's also a skill. Dude's getting

16:59

fouled. Back to your question. The

17:01

the same drum that I'm beating

17:03

with this like it just has

17:05

become cool to not watch basketball

17:08

like it's all about like entertainment

17:10

value like that's just the the

17:12

the clip farming the the looking

17:14

for highlights instead of like the

17:16

substance of the game. Like I

17:18

was thinking about this the other

17:21

day. ESPN was on and it was

17:23

like one of the, it was whatever's

17:25

pick a, pick a talk show at

17:27

any point in time during the day.

17:29

Like I was like, man, I

17:31

miss sports center when it was

17:33

like the ticker on the side

17:35

where it had each game coming

17:38

up next and it was just

17:40

like a minute of highlights, a

17:42

minute of highlights and it was

17:44

good seven, eight minutes of highlights

17:46

commercial. And then it was like when

17:48

we come back, this is like.

17:51

what is the most entertaining what's

17:53

the most relevant I yeah I

17:55

grabbing storyline from it and unfortunately

17:57

to a lot of like the common fan

18:00

base that's what is capturing their

18:02

attention rather than like we said really

18:04

good basketball yeah yeah do you feel

18:06

I feel like you have an interesting

18:09

thought about this before this is

18:11

a very interesting perspective on this

18:13

though because you've coming up in

18:15

LA L.A. is the for a bunch of reasons

18:17

is the polar opposite I'm not just here

18:19

but a lot of you know a lot

18:22

of places a lot of great teams in

18:24

sort of small markets on the country we're

18:26

like No matter what, they're talking about you.

18:29

If you're winning, you're getting gassed up. If

18:31

you're losing, it's fire everyone, get rid of

18:33

everyone. And so when you have that back

18:35

and forth, and you're on a great team,

18:38

but you're on a championship team in LA,

18:40

so it's not like you've seen the peaks

18:42

and valleys and sort of both sides of

18:44

this. Like we talked about the, you know, it's

18:47

a stupid thing now, but like you guys

18:49

not playing on Christmas. You know what

18:51

I mean? Everyone knew that 61 wins

18:53

was coming. Apparently not everybody. Not everybody

18:55

important, apparently. At what point, at what

18:58

point, and maybe this is why we

19:00

just got to keep doing these, because

19:02

I'm like, at what point does it

19:04

become the thing where like these places

19:06

are just not going to do it?

19:08

They don't, they are, they're chasing clicks.

19:11

They're not chasing, you know, what

19:13

actually matters. It's a very thin line,

19:15

because it's like, like, some of it chasing

19:17

the clicks also. seen as well, but

19:19

then some of it too is like, I

19:21

don't think they do a good job of listening

19:23

to like what the people want

19:26

to because a lot of times,

19:28

like the Christmas example that you're

19:30

giving, I've seen a lot of the

19:33

stuff that like, why weren't we playing?

19:35

So it's like, it's not just our

19:37

team, you know what I mean, but we do

19:39

a good job of just controlling

19:41

what we can control, but it

19:43

is, you know, it's a transitional

19:45

period too, there's a lot of like. older

19:47

guys moving in and out of the league

19:50

right now. There is like a little bit

19:52

of transitional stuff that I think is going

19:54

on with the media too where they're trying

19:56

to like, you know, give a lot of

19:58

things like their life. kind of like push

20:01

before it's kind of over. Some of that

20:03

too though is like you gotta recognize as

20:05

the league at a certain point like you can

20:07

like we talked about the trend of

20:09

media and like grabbing attention like you

20:11

can have some of that but like

20:13

at the end of the day people

20:15

tune in when there's good basketball on

20:17

TV like regardless of who's playing like

20:20

when there's good basketball being played

20:22

people aren't gonna tweet wow these

20:24

people are just shooting threes this

20:26

game sucks like true when there's

20:28

substance to the game like I've

20:30

been saying and in my opinion

20:32

we have our team is one of the

20:34

best true basketball substance teams

20:36

in the league like we play

20:38

the whole game like we don't

20:40

skip steps like we we play

20:42

real basketball and that's why we have

20:44

so many wins first of all it's

20:47

why we're a good team but like

20:49

also like eventually you got to mix

20:51

that into the the national

20:53

TV schedule because that at the

20:55

end of the day is what

20:58

people want to see. I think

21:00

yeah, it'll just be a draw

21:02

bro. I don't really know how

21:04

to explain that like I just

21:06

feel like people would want to

21:08

watch good hoops. Well some of

21:10

this is also they just you

21:13

know people people have to they

21:15

come slowly but they learn as

21:17

you keep winning their game from

21:19

Sunday. I thought, you know, you,

21:21

Chad, obviously didn't play, you had

21:23

a, you know, heroics at the end.

21:25

Yeah. You want to call that? But

21:27

it feels like a, in a lot

21:30

of ways, it's sort of symbolic of

21:32

a lot of ways, it's sort of

21:34

symbolic of a lot of what has

21:36

gone right this year, and that it

21:38

was, you know, they're playing greats and

21:40

squads, been back, you're on the road,

21:43

you're missing, you know, two of the

21:45

best players in the world, basically, and

21:47

you go in the true team effort.

21:49

Even, you know, we talked about this

21:51

last month, we've talked about this

21:53

over the course of the year, but

21:56

you haven't been on the show since

21:58

January as the season is. Just

22:00

a tip, as the season has gone on

22:02

with the other, you know, with the rest

22:04

of the crew, take Shea out of it

22:06

for a second, as everyone's gotten

22:08

more comfortable, how is that made

22:11

games like Sunday not going to

22:13

be easy to win that game ever, but

22:15

how is that made it just more of

22:17

like a collective effort to pull something

22:19

like that out? Yeah, I mean, that's

22:21

part of why we got 61 wins

22:23

is because like, like, even on nights

22:26

where we're missing dub and Chet, or

22:28

like, like, we haven't miss. too many

22:30

many games this year. But you know,

22:32

even on nights where we don't

22:34

have a full squad, like it's

22:36

been bits and pieces throughout the

22:38

year, like even we didn't have

22:40

a center for the first 30 games

22:43

of the season. These are our

22:45

centers for a month and a

22:47

half of the season to start.

22:49

Like we just, like I said,

22:51

the substance of basketball, like that

22:53

just holds so much weight when you're trying to

22:55

win games. We had guys that know how to play in

22:57

a lot of guys that can do a lot of different

22:59

things. Is there any part of what Hart is doing right

23:02

now? We know how good. We knew how good he was

23:04

in New York. Everyone at the time was like, this is

23:06

a great pickup. But I was looking at the numbers earlier.

23:08

He's 28 double doubles. Most assists by a center

23:10

named Bay History 202. He got missed, you know, whatever. Wow, that's

23:12

not to say that again. He has the, he has the, he has

23:14

the, he has the, he has the, he has, he has, he has,

23:16

he has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he

23:18

has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he

23:21

has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he

23:23

has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he

23:25

has, he has, he has Most assists by a

23:27

center, we'll fact check this afterwards,

23:29

but I saw this earlier today,

23:31

by a center in NBA history

23:33

at 202. Is Yolkis on a

23:35

center? We'll have to look the

23:38

stat up. But I'm gonna find

23:40

this. We're going to find this.

23:42

Thunder history. Thunder history. Thunder history.

23:44

I was like, I respect, I

23:46

respect the research, but I do.

23:48

It is not correct. Most of

23:50

us are in Thunder history. There

23:52

we go. How much love heart,

23:54

but I knew there was a

23:57

little, that's impressive nonetheless. I mean,

23:59

so it is. Shada already,

24:01

he probably has more than

24:03

me. I was gonna say,

24:05

is there a possibility he's

24:07

even just exceeded expectations,

24:09

with the expectations being high?

24:12

Oh, I don't know. Your

24:14

expectations, I guess. I didn't really

24:16

know what to expect. I just knew he

24:19

was a, like, I knew he was

24:21

a good piece for our team. So

24:23

I just kind of went into

24:25

play against him a lot though,

24:27

you played him. like four total times.

24:29

Yeah, yeah, I had 33 twice a

24:31

month. You said it with the, you

24:33

said it with Jaylon with the Jaylon

24:35

stuff with the table setting. Because he,

24:37

that's what, that's what they were wrong.

24:40

I play off all. I knew he

24:42

was a good passer because he had

24:44

a little bit of that. He had

24:46

some, yeah, he just didn't, he just

24:48

wasn't in the role like that. But

24:50

they also, Jaylon, Bronson had the ball

24:52

so much that it was like, it

24:54

was like literally set a screen. especially

24:57

in the second unit. We play through

24:59

him a lot. We play like, he's

25:01

got the ball a little bit for

25:03

our pick and roll stuff, but like

25:05

a lot of our motion and

25:07

our movement and some of that's

25:09

Isaiah Joe and a little bit

25:11

me and whoever we sprinkle in

25:13

wigs. We do a great job

25:15

on moving and he loves passing

25:18

like he loves passing like even

25:20

if it's not to like an

25:22

immediate assist like. He tries to

25:24

get into action every time he would sometimes

25:26

when he should it But he's just like

25:28

he's wired like and it's great for us

25:30

because it just gets us moving and gets us

25:32

into action I thought the thing you said about

25:35

him in chat the other day was interesting about

25:37

them playing off each other Just them even

25:39

growing into that. Oh nice. I was like, oh,

25:41

I'll be saying. No, it was cool. It was

25:43

good. It was basically just like they're learning how

25:45

to do this in real time. Yeah, like we're

25:48

because like everybody knows like we haven't they didn't

25:50

get the reps for the beginning of the year.

25:52

Yeah, like they didn't get the beginning of the

25:54

year reps where like we can really like

25:56

do it. So the fact that they're doing this

25:58

on the fly game 60. where these games,

26:01

obviously don't hold as much

26:03

weight now that we're first and

26:05

clinched, but like, you know, a

26:07

couple games ago and we weren't.

26:09

Yeah, they're doing this against good

26:11

teams. I was like, even like,

26:13

look at like Boston, like they had

26:16

to do it against Boston, I

26:18

wasn't there, like, they're learning how

26:20

to play with each other in real

26:22

time. So it's really cool to see

26:24

how fast it's going to be like,

26:26

like, They don't even like understand

26:29

like all the rotations that

26:31

they want to do yet

26:33

defensively and what each other

26:35

likes offensively yet. So it's

26:37

cool to watch them do that

26:39

real time. Do you feel that

26:41

way a little bit about yourself

26:43

with your ability to do everything?

26:46

I think I can feel myself

26:48

getting better, but I really don't

26:50

like know that until like after

26:52

the year is over and I'll like.

26:54

So I got way better than I

26:56

did. before that and then like when

26:59

I go into this summer I just

27:01

have a lot more like confidence. So

27:03

what's it what's an example of

27:05

the the awards and all the

27:07

sort of like peripheral stuff you

27:09

know that will speak for itself

27:11

as it plays out but in your own

27:13

head what's an example of that this

27:15

year? I don't know but I just

27:17

have like I don't want to say

27:19

I figured out how to score but like

27:22

first off to increase your like you have

27:24

to make double the shots you know what

27:26

I mean to like and improve your thing

27:28

so I think a lot of it is just

27:30

like understanding like where I want to get to

27:32

and how I want to do that like

27:35

regardless of like what our offense looks like

27:37

like and I was able to do that at

27:39

the five I was able to do that you know

27:41

kind of like wherever we were positioned.

27:43

What do you think with him? I mean at

27:45

least for me this year too just just you

27:48

played you twice the last two years so

27:50

like that's limited action you know you had

27:52

a good game. opening night against us

27:54

in Chicago last year that I remember. Shea

27:56

obviously did his, but I thought he was

27:58

their best player that night. I'm still thinking about

28:00

the last seven years. Yeah, we were trying to remember

28:02

my matchups with Shea and I was like, I thought

28:04

I did a pretty good job, but he just had

28:06

his average night and it was like, Matt, Matt pulls

28:08

up the stat. Yeah, like 35, 10, like six. Oh,

28:11

you caught him decent then because I don't even, he

28:13

wasn't really getting 40 yet. So I was like, I

28:15

thought, did a pretty good job. But I think, I

28:17

think for, for, for Doug, at least this this at

28:19

least this year, at least this year, like, like,

28:21

like, like, like, he's understanding the game, like, he's understanding

28:23

the game, he's understanding, he's understanding

28:25

the game. Because like obviously the

28:28

natural talent physical abilities like he's

28:30

got that like the like we

28:32

said like he was playing the

28:34

five at one point fours this year

28:36

and like in our second unit he's

28:38

also playing point guard most of the

28:41

time so the the versatility is there

28:43

it's just like learning when to go

28:45

learning the reads like even one last

28:47

night against Memphis the clip the coach

28:49

showed today where he came off the

28:52

double heart rim rolled and instead of

28:54

like trying to really beat. Wells you

28:56

just you snatched back and got downhill and

28:58

the big is there and it's just an

29:01

easy lob instead of like trying to get

29:03

in there and think about what what like

29:05

what I should do more of a plan of

29:07

like yeah like it's more just like like you

29:09

said like the reps and the timing it's

29:11

like now it's not something you're thinking

29:14

about it's just like an

29:16

involuntary like reaction what kind

29:18

of feedback have you gotten since the

29:20

defensive part of the year stuff I

29:22

don't know it's been like Are you talking

29:25

about the double vote? Yeah,

29:27

he started, he started a,

29:29

he started a movement with

29:31

that. I can't lie, the fan

29:34

reaction to it is great. And

29:36

whoever wins defensive play

29:38

of the year, this year might

29:40

prove my point. I'm gonna let

29:42

that stay where it is, but

29:44

like defense, and this is

29:47

why I said watch the games, because

29:49

it's like, yeah, the way the

29:51

game is played. I just think it

29:53

would be smart to have a guard section

29:55

or not even like a guard. Yeah,

29:57

I guess a guard. You can do like guard.

29:59

to forward and then yeah and then

30:02

a center broke because it's like I well

30:04

actually not me but a lot of guards

30:06

are not gonna have to protect the rim

30:08

the way like let's say Wendy will right

30:10

that's like his job and then you

30:12

start looking into factoring that he

30:14

can be on the perimeter a little bit

30:17

but they're also not going to chase

30:19

screens and guard the best player nine

30:21

in and nine out like Lou Dortes so

30:23

it's like you're doing like Lou a

30:25

disservice by not even considering it because

30:28

it's like If you just look at matchup

30:30

index, he has the hardest one every

30:32

game for the past four or five

30:34

years. It's like, how does he not

30:36

win one? Yeah. What is it? Or at

30:38

least get on a team. I don't understand

30:40

that. The team thing makes no sound crazy.

30:43

We can, last year, we've done a rabbit

30:45

hole and get on a soapbox for that

30:47

one. Yeah, yeah. You got on the team,

30:49

you're on the team. Yeah, but, but last,

30:52

you think adding a third one is like

30:54

a. No, no, my, my stick was last

30:56

year was the first year in the history

30:58

of the league, 76 years, that they

31:00

didn't have positional voting.

31:02

Yeah. And I was the top, I was

31:04

like the first one on the second

31:07

team, but like I was the top guard

31:09

vote, get her by like 50, 60 votes.

31:11

And so I was a little upset that

31:13

I didn't back to back to back

31:15

first, because. No, we're talking like no,

31:18

I feel defense is hard. But there's

31:20

there's hard, bro There's the guard

31:22

the best player every single night. Lou

31:24

knows there's a lot of people like

31:26

25 Why do you think? Why do you think?

31:28

Why do you think there is this bias towards

31:30

the bigks? Blocking shots is louder

31:32

than playing good defense Because like in

31:34

order to know that somebody is playing

31:37

good defense you have to sit there

31:39

and watch and understand what they're trying

31:41

to do to get accomplished like there's

31:43

so much Yeah, that gets monster to it

31:45

too. Like, it's a big, it's, like to

31:47

finish a possession is important, but like, if

31:50

I'm guarding the best player and I get

31:52

over two ball screens and they don't even

31:54

get a shot, he doesn't want a shoe,

31:56

bro, that's very underrated, but fans don't really

31:59

like, that's hard. than maybe three or four

32:01

rebounds just falling to me because I'm making

32:03

a miss I think like they obviously it's

32:05

like a any yang thing but it's like

32:08

fans and this is no this to like

32:10

people watching it's just like it's just

32:12

a fact like you guys aren't gonna sit there

32:14

and break down a film the way we are

32:16

and like we're seeing the game the same way

32:18

yeah like you're not gonna know that like

32:21

he shoots this elbow shot at like a

32:23

20% rate I'm forcing him into that so

32:25

much to where it's like that's gonna go

32:27

under the radar like nobody's gonna really yeah

32:29

like if you could watch a 30 minute

32:31

montage of Lou Dorque clothesouts yeah where he

32:34

like takes away the three but also just

32:36

like big chess and make somebody take a

32:38

pull-up mini or just get off the

32:40

ball completely like nobody sees that but

32:43

somebody sees you know they'll see the block

32:45

shot yeah if you run somebody off the line

32:47

you get a block shot like people see that

32:49

more so I think that that goes into it

32:51

do you think some of this some of the

32:53

discourse around this is like You just will have

32:55

different conversations forgetting even teammates, but just

32:58

guys and the like guys who are

33:00

playing in the league There's ever this

33:02

just always happened with Drew Especially

33:04

before he got to Milwaukee We used to talk

33:06

about on the show and in a weird way It

33:08

was like I mean Jay Jay like love Drew so

33:10

he would always hype him up But there was

33:12

also like every player we would talk to

33:15

would be like that's the dude you'd want

33:17

defending you awards, but he was still being

33:19

held in this regard You know it's crazy

33:21

that might be like a similarity

33:23

in that is like Lou and

33:26

Drew kind of similar personalities. That's

33:28

not loud. Like they're quiet.

33:30

Yeah. For the most part, like

33:32

especially on the basketball court.

33:34

And so they don't get the Rara.

33:36

And it hurts Lou more because he's

33:39

in Oklahoma. So they need

33:41

battle the national media thing with.

33:43

That's partially what like why Drew

33:45

I think. Got skipped on a bunch

33:47

until people finally realized like there was like that

33:49

in New Orleans Yeah, it was like your honor

33:51

and lose been here for so long Yeah, if

33:54

you look at Drew's high defensive highlights in New

33:56

York, bro. It's insane It's like and it's like

33:58

how do you not make a team? I

34:00

don't understand that hopefully for Lou

34:02

we have literally the best defense ever

34:04

I think right or somewhere somewhere close

34:06

somewhere close that we're like teetering with

34:09

the 96 bulls like statistically so he's

34:11

at the helm of that so hopefully

34:13

they do the right thing I think the other thing

34:15

to your point and like Lou has to do

34:17

this for sure but you guys have so many

34:20

good defenders that he probably doesn't do this

34:22

as much as like Drew used to have

34:24

to do but the series where I forget

34:26

what year, but when he was still

34:29

in New Orleans when they played the

34:31

staff Katie Warriors and he basically Would

34:33

have to switch between those three guys between

34:35

staff Katie and clay the entire game. If

34:38

you want to do that for a series

34:40

man, let me know But the but the

34:42

but the variety also should yeah, and that's

34:45

another thing to show up. I got there's

34:47

no there's no stat for you know

34:49

me to go one through five switch around

34:51

I should probably be on a team

34:53

two but the skill involved in that is

34:56

And again, this is no knocks

34:58

at bigs, but like the skill to

35:00

be able to like navigate screens, pick

35:02

up full court, turn a guy, but

35:04

also not get posted up when there's

35:06

a bigger guy that tries to drive

35:09

you. Not foul. Not foul. Like that

35:11

to me is harder and more important

35:13

than six rebounds falling to you

35:15

because you're. I do have another

35:18

stat though, which is an actual

35:20

stat. Hopefully this is right.

35:22

You guys have seven hundred

35:24

fifty. 866 turnovers, but there was

35:26

a long period where you had more

35:28

steals and turnovers, which had never been

35:31

done. Or that now? Yeah, you're in

35:33

759 steals and 866 turnovers. 10.4 steals

35:35

per game, which is best since 1973.

35:37

Our steals have dropped a little bit.

35:40

Yeah, so maybe you're slacking on the

35:42

steals, but is there an art to the

35:44

steel? Good defense some dogs have

35:46

some dogs off there all state Five guys

35:48

I can take the ball from somebody yeah,

35:51

that helps some of it's that some of

35:53

it's like defensive scheme like when you combine

35:55

to a scheme like no matter what the

35:57

coaches doing like to a certain extent like

36:00

you could really like. But yeah part of it is

36:02

like we said like I've made all defensive

36:04

teams loose should have made a couple already

36:06

like Shea's like third in the league of

36:08

seals dub would probably be up there too if

36:10

we all got accounted for the yeah the amount

36:12

of skills we poke two Shea and then we

36:15

got Kason who's in a second year and

36:17

he's just like doesn't even he's told me

36:19

before like he doesn't know the full scouts

36:21

on like team on like players they're just

36:23

he just he just is guarding people off

36:25

of ability of ability which is insane

36:27

to me which is insane to me yeah.

36:30

like that's five guys right there that

36:32

you really don't want to play

36:34

one-on-one against and now you put

36:36

the other you put two of the

36:38

other three or two of the other

36:41

four in the first passing lane away

36:43

and it's like well you better be

36:45

real tight with your move what do

36:47

you think makes this particular

36:50

team so efficient how much of it

36:52

is just he's a big part he

36:54

helps yeah he's a big help I

36:56

think some of it too is like

36:58

just sharing the ball like it's gonna sound

37:00

like a boring media answer but it

37:03

genuinely is like finding windows to pass

37:05

through each other cutting running I think

37:07

a lot of it is defense you know

37:09

when you get out in transition you get

37:12

the most efficient shots that's just what it

37:14

is it's like understanding each other

37:16

like I know where he's gonna be if I come

37:18

off a ball screen like I know he's gonna

37:20

be in the right spot. So if I get

37:22

stuck I know where I can take

37:24

like just like stuff like that like

37:26

knowing the offense knowing what we want

37:29

to get accomplished like we got good

37:31

players man. Yeah, when we say it like we

37:33

got to a plethora Whigs had 41 yeah

37:35

Whigs of 40 in a game. I just hit

37:37

eight forty four yeah, except 42 I think

37:39

like I think over the last couple games

37:42

I'm averaging like mid double digits like yeah,

37:44

we can get it done with the bunch

37:46

of different people. This is probably not either

37:48

of you guy question, but I'm curious when

37:50

it comes to the playoff, but you've now

37:52

both been in this, you've been in it

37:55

more, when it comes to the playoffs, there's

37:57

an obvious rotations are different. Like

37:59

there's just a... there's a shortening of

38:01

every day, during every day, and

38:03

so figuring that part of it

38:05

out, when you got so many

38:07

good players, it's tricky in a

38:09

way versus like, oh, we got

38:11

four guys and everyone else, who knows

38:14

what we're gonna get, but we know

38:16

we're gonna get these four guys, and

38:18

so we're gonna get, but we know

38:20

we're gonna get these four guys every

38:22

night. And so we're gonna get these

38:24

four guys every night. And so I

38:27

feel like, I don't even have a

38:29

team that. to understand that like

38:31

any series could be different like the

38:33

way you match up with a certain

38:35

team could be different than another team

38:38

depending on what's going to work. And

38:40

part of it is like it is like

38:42

we're all weapons like at any point in

38:44

time like we've had probably the most

38:46

for the teams that are trying to

38:48

win like we've had a lot of

38:50

I would I would argue we probably

38:53

have the most different rotations in starting

38:55

lineups and that's just to benefit us

38:57

so like. when it comes time to

38:59

change something up it's not it was

39:02

not foreign yeah it's it's it's it's

39:04

we've had rhythm we've had reps in

39:06

it to me I see it as an advantage

39:08

more so than well because it's a next

39:11

man up we've got the way we've

39:13

had that and we've had that like

39:15

obviously you've only been here a year

39:17

but like we've had that through my

39:19

three years like when I first got

39:21

here I'm thinking like my work here

39:23

I'm not gonna play and like I'm

39:25

starting like I'm starting like to see

39:28

like he just he'll do it all year

39:30

so it's like one of those things right

39:32

everybody knows it to the point where like

39:34

the playoffs like already really off limits like

39:36

health isn't promised like you said like

39:38

matching up with certain teams is gonna be

39:41

different he's gonna think you might be good

39:43

for this team and maybe not good for

39:45

this team or like the example of that

39:47

too is like the trust that Mark has in

39:49

us and then also we haven't each other is

39:51

like the other night at sack like the other

39:54

night at sack like the 12 13 14 15

39:56

points with like four and a

39:58

half five minutes ago. I think

40:00

finishing lineup was Kay Ridge, Jay Will,

40:02

I Joe, Shea, and Lou. I don't know

40:04

how many minutes that whole rotation has

40:06

played together and they finished the

40:08

game out and ended up sealing

40:10

it off and won the game. He didn't

40:12

play, I think Chet ended up seven and

40:15

like two and a half minutes ago,

40:17

but like for the most part that

40:19

was the lineup. Like it's just the

40:21

diversity that we can throw out there

40:23

is kind of insane when you look at

40:25

it. Sort of a topic change, but

40:28

can we shout out the bulls

40:30

for a second? Shout out Josh.

40:32

Oh, shut out Josh, man. They're

40:34

like, they're fun, man. I got

40:36

Kobe White, back-to-back Eastern Conference Player

40:38

of the Week. Gets me going crazy.

40:40

Last night was crazy. Yeah, I'm not

40:42

gonna lie. Half-court, half-court, for a game.

40:45

Walk off is tough. Well, the whole

40:47

last 12 seconds or whatever. the Reeves

40:49

layer and then Getty shot I never

40:52

saw the three I saw bronze turnover

40:54

and then not to shade but this

40:56

is what I saw I saw bronze

40:59

turnover and then yeah I don't know

41:01

all that happened until this morning yeah

41:03

they're just even the even the the

41:05

game in LA before they're just

41:07

moving like they're just fast

41:09

they're what's their pace right now

41:11

they're like like top five I think

41:13

right now last 10 or something like that

41:16

they look good Who will I like that all year?

41:18

Yeah, I mean it's just getting more and more like when

41:20

you get reps a plan like that You start to get

41:22

good at it like you start to figure out especially this

41:24

time of year once There was a lot of games and

41:26

they're still running like That's what it that's

41:28

what it sort of feels like is they're just like not

41:30

a fun team. They're low-key. They play they play how Andy's

41:32

played the last couple years. Yeah, where it's just like no

41:35

matter of ball goes in or ball goes in or not

41:37

like in or not like in or not like in or

41:39

not like in or not like in or not like in

41:41

about like in about like in about like in about like

41:43

in about like in about like in about like in about

41:45

like in about like in about like. I don't

41:47

say like watching, but I'll say I've

41:49

probably watched, like I like watching the

41:51

good teams play the good teams. Like

41:54

at this point, there's no point for

41:56

me to watch teams that are trying

41:58

to play each other. So like. I

42:00

watched a little bit of like

42:02

Golden State when they when they

42:05

started winning a lot just because

42:07

Jimmy's knew like I wanted

42:09

to see that. Anytime Boston's

42:12

on TV, I'll tune in for that.

42:14

Watch the Rockets, Denver game the

42:16

other night. Just because that's kind

42:19

of like... I watched Thunder highlights.

42:21

Contradicting. I knew what the... I

42:23

knew then... There's a question for

42:26

him. Yeah, yeah, he needs shooting

42:28

or anything. are playing the game.

42:31

The good game is all tuned in, but I

42:33

say that, like I'm not saying I watch the

42:35

whole game. Yeah, I watched the fourth quarter or

42:37

something. You guys watch any of the tournament? Oh,

42:39

I did last night for a first time.

42:41

Do you see my commercial? Oh, yeah. Can we

42:43

talk about the commercial for a second? It's

42:45

really not to watch the game. Have you

42:48

seen the commercial? Have you seen the commercials?

42:50

What do you think? I think it's great.

42:52

I think it's glad that they're not seeing

42:54

in the not seeing in this year. I feel like

42:57

you guys have like vindicated yourself a little

42:59

bit. Yeah, I'm just like, we're just like,

43:01

Jay and Chet singing last year. I saw

43:03

a commercial probably 50 times. A million

43:06

times, yeah, I like it. No, it's good. But

43:08

shout out 18 you guys do me well, man.

43:10

Well, here's the question though. To his point, it

43:12

was definitely memorable, and it's

43:14

not the point. Is that everyone

43:16

knew that commercial existed? I like it

43:18

too, because it's like, because it's like, it's

43:20

like, it's like, it's like, it's like, Like I

43:23

feel like it's pretty authentic to them, not

43:25

them wearing the same thing, but like the

43:27

style and like how they like to

43:29

like be individualistic and like look presentable

43:31

and then obviously they're all stars like

43:33

they kind of encapsulates that too. Like

43:35

we're all like kind of wearing the

43:37

same thing, but like not wearing the

43:39

same thing. So it wasn't. And it

43:42

wasn't super serious, which I think is

43:44

good because that's how y'all are too.

43:46

Like y'all are all pretty. Low key and well

43:48

even like the scene we're like arguing at the end

43:50

or whatever like we were actually like yeah I could

43:52

see all just be on that and then they're like

43:54

oh we like that better than the script that we

43:56

were yes that was that was cool would you would

43:58

he get an invite for of three? Of course.

44:01

I don't know. I don't know if you saw.

44:03

I don't know if I'm in that. Big

44:05

time? More than the area. No,

44:07

I don't know. That class. In

44:09

the interior. Yeah, he uses AT&T

44:11

as a. They are my provider. My question.

44:13

My question. This is a, it's

44:16

hard to say just like definitively

44:18

just because like this year that

44:20

just could be, you know, sort

44:23

of arbitrary. But like, with

44:25

everything going on in college, you

44:27

know, you know, you're Like with everything going

44:29

on in college how it took a little

44:32

different. You didn't say anything about it. Yeah.

44:34

It's like, hmm. You remember 2016? You're in

44:36

a football. But I'm just like, is there

44:38

going to be, are there going to be

44:41

fewer upsets? Because everything is a, everyone is

44:43

like, the second you lose, it's like, all

44:45

right, whoever is the most money I'm going

44:48

there. There's no question about team building

44:50

or anything. Yeah, college's got to figure

44:52

that to figure that out a little

44:54

bit and raining it and raining in

44:56

and raining in. It's crazy, shout out my

44:58

pops, he definitely called this, when they

45:00

first did like the NIL stuff, yeah, he

45:02

called this like verbatim bros, like people are

45:05

just gonna, and it's kind of obvious

45:07

now, but like people are just gonna

45:09

go where the money is and they're

45:11

gonna like basically forget about like the fit

45:13

of college, like how, like even for me,

45:15

like I was right before, actually I was

45:17

the year they started it, so, and I

45:19

was at a small school, so we actually

45:22

didn't do anything, so we actually

45:24

didn't do anything, fast that change.

45:26

It's like it's a two-headed sword

45:28

for me because like one I am

45:30

going to be interested to see with

45:32

the larger sample size of the tournament

45:35

if the upsets don't continue

45:37

because of the the talent saturation

45:39

but also at the same time like can

45:41

you blame these kids like no you should

45:44

get your money if somebody offered me 1.5

45:46

in college I would have how are you going

45:48

to say no to that especially kids

45:50

that like Yeah, kids have grown up

45:52

with nothing. Yeah, or like kids won't make

45:55

the NBA, but like we'll go overseas maybe

45:57

or choose a different route. That's a lot

45:59

of money. You're not making 1.5 overseas unless

46:01

you plan. It's just a great start. You're

46:03

a league probably, right? Maybe it should be

46:06

like a salary or something. I don't think,

46:08

I think you're totally right. I don't see

46:10

how there's any way you could blame the

46:12

kids, but what feels weird about it, like

46:14

you see what was going on with the

46:16

Maryland coach? Yeah, it is, yeah. Like, there's

46:19

just like, you see this right now. No.

46:21

Basically. He's been complaining. I'm like complaining. I

46:23

might be saying he's wrong complaining But he's

46:25

been complaining about like them not giving him

46:27

enough money for NIL like publicly while they're

46:30

in the tournament So they just lost last

46:32

night. So they got knocked out, but they

46:34

won. They won two games and he was

46:36

literally walking to the Arena last night We're like

46:38

supposed to be getting cheered to go to the

46:41

thing and the Maryland fans are like booing

46:43

it like the whole thing is the whole thing

46:45

has basically turned into it's just like a larger

46:47

professional. Yeah, it's for

46:49

sure. Just league. Yeah, it's starting

46:52

to ruin like college. I went

46:54

to college like, dang. I'm gonna

46:56

sound like an old head, bro. Like

46:58

I went to college like for like,

47:00

I feel like the right reasons. Like

47:02

I went there to like get education

47:04

and like, me too, like learn

47:07

and like also be an athlete and

47:09

learn how to like be an adult. Yeah,

47:11

I couldn't even get it. Dude, this guy

47:13

that owns the Lane's chicken fingers wouldn't give

47:15

me a free chicken finger box. He's like,

47:17

come back after you. I'm like, dude, the

47:19

NCA is not going to come find us

47:21

because you gave me this chicken finger. You're

47:23

like, well, now I guess there's a million

47:26

dollars. Yeah, you should never remember his name.

47:28

Food is so good. Do you think there's some,

47:30

like, we always talk about, you guys both

47:32

had your own version of of this in

47:34

different ways in different ways, but like, but

47:36

like, but like, but like, like, like, like,

47:38

like, like, like, like, like, like, you get the

47:40

chip and you get the fire by

47:42

people not believing in you, then you have

47:44

the journey, this, that it is, whether

47:47

that's in college, recruiting, even getting to,

47:49

you know, go into the pros and

47:51

having that happen. It's like harder to

47:53

have the chip if you're making two

47:55

million dollars when you're 19. I'm like,

47:57

I'm a team that doesn't win anything.

47:59

Yeah, so you just sort of, so

48:02

like I'm, like my, I guess my

48:04

question, which is like, this, it's

48:06

a little broad, but I'm like,

48:08

is this going to, is this

48:10

going to mean we're just going

48:12

to get more like guys from

48:14

other countries? Like, because they,

48:16

because they can't, right? They

48:18

can't get paid, right? Or

48:21

they're just, or they're just

48:23

still coming over. Yeah, I think

48:25

they can. I think they can if

48:27

they want to play in the college

48:29

or something. I think a lot of

48:31

them just choose not to. A lot

48:33

of them just are like, we're better

48:35

off. Are you saying like if they've

48:37

already received money overseas? Yeah, right? Yeah.

48:39

Okay. I don't know the rule on

48:41

that anymore. I'm so out of touch with

48:44

me. I mean, I just know the

48:46

same thing. So I don't know why

48:48

they don't have an issue with it.

48:50

Yeah. for nine and five. Not even,

48:52

I was probably like seven and three.

48:54

It is an interesting question. I had

48:56

done it with my age in LA

48:58

and we got to the NIL subject

49:00

and I asked him that question. I

49:03

was like, I don't know, like I'm

49:05

a competitive person so I think

49:07

I would have eventually gotten through it,

49:09

but like it would have been

49:12

very interesting to see

49:14

how different like my sense of

49:16

urgency and like. Fear of failure

49:18

would have been if I would have

49:20

had a million dollars. Yeah before

49:22

it's back versus Going to get

49:25

free meals at the athletic Complex

49:27

getting shut out by the chicken

49:30

fingers. Yeah, it would have been

49:32

it would have been interesting to

49:34

see and I don't know if it would

49:36

have changed or not But you

49:38

have to think it's gonna change some

49:40

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50:43

you would recommend? He always has the,

50:46

he's always like four shows, four

50:48

steps ahead of everybody on this

50:50

question. I don't know, I'm watching old stuff,

50:52

I'm watching Sopranos right now, so I

50:54

don't know. What season? I'm like about

50:57

to finish no, I'm like midway through

50:59

two. Have you seen it? Dude, I'm the

51:01

worst ask about some shows. The only

51:03

two TV shows that I've watched all

51:05

the way through are the office in

51:07

Game of Thrones. The office is the

51:10

only two TV's in your life that

51:12

I've ever finished. I started

51:14

breaking back. Even when you were

51:16

a kid, you never what? I have never

51:18

been a TV show guy. Yeah, so

51:20

anyway, um big YouTube guy. There's

51:23

not I think YouTube is so

51:25

like watered down right now. I

51:27

got to start posting to save

51:30

it Yeah I'll go go back

51:32

as a friend. I watch condensed

51:35

NBA highlights. I watch YouTube golf.

51:37

You're like, I don't watch YouTube

51:39

after that's just based on those

51:42

two alone. You're like, I don't

51:44

watch TV shows. Are you saying

51:46

mine? You see this? Oh, yeah.

51:49

No, so you watch golf on

51:51

YouTube. Yeah. He says, I don't

51:53

watch TV shows. I watch YouTube.

51:56

What do you watch? YouTube, you

51:58

watch? You watch. Condense. I used

52:00

to watch like the Rad

52:02

Brad or Jeff. You go chef.

52:05

Uh-huh. Yeah. I like their stuff.

52:07

See, they just don't. Do

52:09

they post a lot? Or is

52:11

it like a once a week?

52:14

A week? See, that's a channel.

52:16

So post once a week. Yeah,

52:18

that's the thing. Because right when

52:21

I watch one, then it's

52:23

like. I used to watch

52:25

like video game guys, like

52:27

streamers a lot. Yeah. Everybody's

52:30

been like, every time I go on Instagram live,

52:32

which we did all last year, people are telling me

52:34

that I should stream with Jay Will, so we'll see

52:36

about it this summer. Jay Will would be a great

52:38

streamer. Yeah, because he's actually good at video, I'm horrible

52:41

at video games, like horrific. But do you think

52:43

that that matters though? Yeah, your personality would

52:45

work on it. Yeah, your

52:47

personality would work on it.

52:49

Like it's almost funnier if

52:51

you're bad. Yeah, I would

52:53

just have to put that

52:55

as a disc and I

52:57

would be no join if

52:59

you want me to be.

53:01

You're talking to the chat

53:03

would be the only issue.

53:05

Yeah, yeah. I actually will

53:07

say stuff back to the

53:09

chat. So you need to.

53:11

You need to go. be

53:13

streaming but I think the other issue

53:16

with it for sure other other issue

53:18

the streaming stuff is like an amazing

53:20

it's amazing thing to follow but it

53:22

takes so much time to build up audience

53:24

in a way that like even you you

53:26

guys doing your YouTube stuff like you

53:28

guys can do that but you can put

53:31

it out you can do like all-star real

53:33

basis start with yeah Yeah, I got more

53:35

of a fan base than like Stream is

53:37

like a different world, bro. It's not like...

53:39

It's honestly, it's super impressive any of those

53:42

people who have like amassed like a large

53:44

following because like the amount of one, you

53:46

have to be likable entertaining

53:48

something. You have to have something though,

53:50

every time you do it. Yeah. And

53:52

like to be able to consistently put

53:54

out new stuff and do that like

53:56

that's pretty impressive. Because it's just creativity,

53:58

like what can you... come up with to

54:00

do. Daily, bro. Like, you just go out and play basketball.

54:02

People still like basketball. Got it. Yeah. For them, it's

54:04

like, what am I going to do that's new that people

54:07

will watch? Who's your favorite Sopranos character right now? By the

54:09

name? Tony. Tony? Tony, like, Tony so gang. You don't know who

54:11

Tony Soprano is? You ever watch any mob movies or

54:13

no? Any of the names? I think it's son. I think it's

54:15

hilarious. I think it's hilarious. I think. I think it's like,

54:17

I think it's like, I think it's like, I think. I think it's

54:19

like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like,

54:21

I think it's like, like, I'm like, like, I'm like, like, like, like,

54:23

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

54:25

like, like, like, Give him the give him the

54:28

option of the show for the shows though, because

54:30

like I'll watch it Yeah, if you don't have

54:32

attention to me It's not a good show for

54:34

you because the first season is slow, but it's

54:36

so cool. It's like it's like old school mafia

54:38

like no, I like that stuff like I've watched

54:40

like Are you a movie person?

54:43

Like pulp fiction? Like I've

54:45

seen stuff stuff. You're like

54:47

a movie person? American Gangster?

54:49

I like that. Yeah, like

54:52

movies. All right, so what

54:54

are your... That was on

54:56

my movie list. Yeah, he's

54:58

a movie list? American. Dark

55:01

Five. Because he's all over the

55:03

place. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

55:06

American Gangster. Gladiator.

55:08

Dark Knight. Yeah,

55:11

I don't know if I can come

55:13

up with a phone. I mean

55:15

that's four that's four strong. That

55:17

was you just need one that

55:19

has come out in the last like

55:21

10 years. That's the problem.

55:24

Problem is they don't make

55:26

any good movies? Not watching pro.

55:28

Yeah. Yeah. What's your best?

55:30

What's your best? What's your

55:32

best? Top five in the last

55:34

10 years? His cinematic

55:37

knowledge is crazy. This is why we're like,

55:39

we're going to do more of the summer

55:41

on the show with this. I don't think

55:43

I do. It's hard mind though. Mine changes

55:45

too much. Kill Bill is always going to

55:47

be in there and enter the dragon is

55:49

always going to be those two are never

55:51

going to kill. The other thing we're talking

55:53

about, what's the best, bad movie. Like what's

55:55

the best movie that got like

55:57

terrible reviews, but it's actually good.

56:00

I don't know if people don't

56:02

know about it. Heavy weights.

56:04

I don't. Heavy weights. Oh, did

56:06

that really? I love heavy weights.

56:08

Heavy weights? I love heavy

56:10

weights. Really? Yeah, it's because they

56:13

didn't get at the time.

56:15

Oh, they didn't understand the

56:17

satire of it? Yeah, like

56:19

cult classics. Like, I would say

56:21

they got a bad rating, but I

56:23

feel like so many people don't

56:25

know about it, but like, no, it's

56:28

dark. Oh, shoot. Yeah. Does that take

56:30

place out here? It looks like it.

56:32

I can't lie on the road, like

56:34

if you're driving down the road. Yeah.

56:36

Maybe it's no policy. Probably, I think

56:38

it's Texas. I guess you would like

56:41

it, actually. I'm interested to see. If

56:43

you watch it tonight, let me like

56:45

it. If you watch it tonight, let

56:47

me go. It's my hit a little

56:49

close to home. Oh, I think maybe

56:51

don't watch it. Oh, no country for

56:53

old men's my alternative lights. That's

56:56

a good one. I'm going to my

56:58

movie list. I don't have too many

57:00

like I love like a good sports

57:02

movie But like not my top five,

57:04

but you got I feel like you

57:06

got a like Texas shit like you

57:08

got a rep for Texas Yeah, no,

57:10

I mean I I like it. It's

57:12

a great movie. Oh, I know. Oh,

57:14

good times I talked to you about

57:16

that good time the A24 movie the

57:18

one with patents and yes, yeah,

57:21

but you see it's good range

57:23

good range to be Garnet and that

57:25

I'm happy it was KG, I can't lie.

57:27

The whole thing was planned, it was planned to

57:29

be drawn the whole time, and then they had

57:31

to push it for some schedule thing,

57:33

and the KG's is kind of fits

57:35

his personality. Yeah, and the time period was

57:37

fire. Yeah, like, yeah, like, yeah, KG's is

57:39

a good actor. Yeah, he was actually really,

57:42

that role, he was really good. All right,

57:44

here's one, the more I'm thinking about movies,

57:46

the more I'm thinking, like, like, like, like,

57:48

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, There's

57:50

just so many really good older movies and like

57:53

time is kind of flying so like some of

57:55

these don't feel like they were 10 years ago

57:57

When was it? 2014 see yeah, that bro, that's

57:59

cut I watched it for the first time

58:01

like a month ago. They were re-releasing in

58:04

the theaters. It takes a long time

58:06

to watch. Jason loves interstellar. I hate

58:08

that answer. Give a good answer about

58:10

the movie. It's amazing. It's a good

58:13

movie. It's a good movie. People are

58:15

very, I feel like, are very opinionated

58:17

on it though. Some people are like

58:19

very anti. Yeah. It's because they don't

58:21

know movies. Who would you want to

58:24

play you in a movie? Tom Hardy. I

58:26

mean, you know what sucks. For

58:29

me, there's not a lot of

58:31

actors that are going to like

58:33

resemble me at all. Well, it's

58:35

not supposed to. Not resemble,

58:37

but like if you just

58:39

put them in a spot in

58:41

my life, you'd be like, oh.

58:44

I think it's about who gets

58:46

your, who can capture your emotion.

58:48

Yeah. Look like you. Okay, if we're

58:50

just going based on that,

58:53

probably Will Smith. Young Will.

58:55

Yeah. What's what's buddy

58:57

from Staley Tuchy? Oh Good

58:59

one. What's his name? Great one.

59:01

What's his name? Great one. What's

59:04

his name? What's his name? I

59:06

can't remember. Steve's back. Great. Great,

59:08

great. Did you see that movie?

59:10

The horror movie he's in that

59:13

came out last year? What was

59:15

it called? Speak No More. Speak

59:17

No Evil. Good movie. He has,

59:19

he has incredible range. Yeah. We're

59:22

going to Rav. Anything else we

59:24

need to hit. We need three

59:26

defensive teams. We've done enough defense.

59:29

I think we need to, I

59:31

think we need to, I think

59:33

we need to, me for our

59:36

offensive team. Straight, straight to

59:38

camera MVP case for Shea,

59:40

because we didn't really do that.

59:42

Watch the games. More on what

59:44

AC saying, man. We're all gonna

59:46

look back on this time and,

59:48

you know what I mean? Like, you

59:50

guys are always talking about nostalgia and...

59:52

what you wish to NBA was. This

59:54

is going to be one of those

59:56

times where we looked back 10-15 years

59:58

ago, 15 years ago. years later, we

1:00:01

realized what a special season it was

1:00:03

for him in the Oklahoma City Thunder,

1:00:05

him at the helm of our season,

1:00:07

where 61 and 12, you know, you

1:00:09

guys are gonna look back on this

1:00:12

season and realize how special his season

1:00:14

was, he's gonna be up there with

1:00:16

that hardened season, and it would be

1:00:18

a travesty if he doesn't get MVP,

1:00:21

and it would be your guys' fault, so,

1:00:23

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1:00:25

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