0:00

you're listening ad free on Wondry Plus. Welcome

0:03

to Duncan. Welcome to Dunkin.

0:05

With Amex Gold, you can get up to $84

0:07

back annually at Dunkin locations. So your morning pick

0:10

me up. Can I have a medium iced coffee

0:12

with one cup of coffee? Taste even better. That's

0:14

the powerful backing of American Express. Enrollment required.

0:16

Terms apply. Learn more at

0:18

americanexpress.com/with Amex. So,

0:33

Welcome to episode Young Man in

0:35

the Three. We

0:37

have Derek White and Peyton Pritchard today, presented

0:39

by 342 Productions. Jason Gallagher, Trey Murphy

0:41

in the building. What's up, fellas? What's

0:44

up, my guys? Glad to

0:47

be back on. Glad to see

0:49

Trey. Trey decided to the

0:51

show with an appearance after a

0:53

few weeks. Yeah. Yeah.

0:57

just glad to be back on the show.

0:59

I'm not gonna say anything else. I

1:02

will say, you know, we don't need to

1:04

spend too much time on the Pelicans,

1:06

although you guys had two great wins this

1:08

weekend, but you've been balling. I

1:10

can run through all the stats but your ego is

1:12

big enough so we don't have to do that. You can

1:14

look it up But Trey has been playing great What's

1:17

been feeling so good for you? I think the biggest

1:19

thing is to be an aggressive Something

1:22

that I worked on with Drew

1:24

this summer was different driving lines and,

1:26

you know, on getting to the

1:28

basket, using my jump shot as a

1:31

weapon. and um And

1:33

You know, this is what I've been thinking about each game. And

1:36

And obviously, know, with guys

1:38

being down. you've got

1:40

take the advantage of that opportunity, so that's what I've

1:42

been trying to do. Jason, know Jason, you had a

1:44

couple of questions. I do.

1:47

I have like very broad questions. So I've

1:49

been doing some intros and And like,

1:51

is there anything you want to ask? Trey?

1:53

I was like, I have two things.

1:55

One big philosophical question for

1:57

you. as a basketball player. I'm

2:00

an opinionated basketball fan. As

2:02

I get on the As I get on the

2:04

as I and of the

2:07

discourse around various awards,

2:09

particularly MVP. And

2:11

I've really started to think to myself that. to

2:14

think to sports. that awards

2:17

very antithetical

2:19

antithetical the point of

2:21

sports. of sports. So my my question to

2:23

you is is sort of of... How

2:26

do do you view awards you sports?

2:28

Do you ever think that they

2:30

don't to I'm starting to really

2:32

settle into this place where I

2:34

don't think they matter that much. that

2:36

much. But I'm I'm very curious what

2:38

your take is is or what you, if your

2:40

teammates have ever sort of spoken

2:42

about just sort in general and

2:44

the just around awards. the

2:46

That's a good question. around awards.

2:48

It's a good for me, I especially

2:50

in my background in my

2:52

background and how, you know, know, I was

2:54

kind of underrated my entire life.

2:57

life. Awards really mean a lot

2:59

to me mean a lot get them. because,

3:01

you I just didn't come out of

3:03

high school. I had six offers

3:05

come out of in my state. I was I

3:07

wasn't really in and stuff like that, but

3:09

it never really deterred me. So now, you

3:12

know, when I get to the, like

3:14

I'm in the but it I'm up for deterred.

3:17

So now, you know, second year,

3:19

the, was like, now six

3:21

or so the NBA, and, you know,

3:23

there's You know, there's different awards

3:25

that. you know, know, could be, I know, I could

3:27

be recognized for, but like. but like, I'm kind kind

3:29

of numb to it a little bit

3:31

and don't really care too much about

3:33

it know, I'm just used to it. know, I'm just used to

3:35

it. like, I will say

3:37

for some people, it is

3:39

very important. the super an MVP,

3:41

that for like, for important. like with Shea, he

3:44

could have won it last year, and strong he

3:46

could have won it last year. year, but he could also

3:48

it this year, but he could also not it's

3:50

like, he's and it's like really having

3:52

this really amazing season. season. but there's

3:54

a possibility that he might not win it he might not

3:57

win It shouldn't discredit,

3:59

like. how good of a year

4:01

he's having like he's playing out of

4:03

his mind and he's a really good

4:05

player on a really good team and

4:07

should have a chance to win that

4:09

MVP trophy. I was at the Derrick

4:11

Rose retirement ceremony in Chicago this weekend

4:13

on Saturday and there's a bunch of

4:15

reasons why going back to when he

4:17

was in middle school and high school

4:19

white I think D Rose was like

4:21

uniquely important to the city of Chicago

4:23

just with his upbringing and what he's

4:25

sort of done in the community there

4:27

and everything like that but I will

4:29

say he won the MVP when he's

4:31

22 which is crazy to think about

4:33

now is like like Brandon Miller his

4:35

age winning the MVP. Yes

4:38

doing that in in his home city

4:40

gave it even more significance but I

4:42

mean I guess you know in your

4:44

guy's perspective like if D Rose doesn't

4:46

have an MVP do you think he

4:48

has the same level of stature as

4:50

he does now? I

4:56

mean low key I still think

4:58

he has the same. It's the same

5:00

thing? He has the same level

5:02

like in my opinion because like Joe

5:04

King said he's like a people's

5:06

champ like even if people want to

5:08

argue about like his hall of

5:10

fame stat it's like he goes down

5:13

as one of the best or at

5:15

least one of the most influential

5:17

players and like most idolized players in

5:19

entire NBA like everybody loved D Rose

5:21

like you couldn't back in my

5:23

opinion there's not one person that could

5:25

really say like they dislike D Rose

5:27

maybe like some people that he

5:29

was cooking or like dunked on but

5:31

like other than that though like

5:33

he was such an humble dude he

5:35

just was amazing on the course super

5:37

explosive electric and stuff something that

5:39

people haven't really seen and so I

5:41

still think even if you didn't get

5:43

that MVP award you know he

5:45

would still be pretty highly talented but

5:47

obviously that's a chair on top at

5:50

22 years old and I'm sure

5:52

it matters like I mean I'm sure

5:54

it meant the world that obviously

5:56

him and Chicago fans and stuff like

5:58

that um so yeah But

6:00

I'm with train, just for the

6:02

record. And And also, too, it seems

6:04

add, seems like, you You know, like

6:06

the MVP award and like isn't

6:08

as as like glorified as as it

6:10

used to be. Like when Katie would have

6:12

have his speech us us, such

6:15

a great speech. Harden as well. Like,

6:17

as well really get don't really get

6:19

that At least least like it doesn't

6:21

seem like people are really or really

6:23

getting that same excitement Like still

6:25

not giving that same. giving that same.

6:27

You know know, recognition like it's it's just just different. I'm

6:29

hopefully I'm not like off on on that, but

6:31

like I just feel like it's very

6:34

different. I mean, it may be because I

6:36

was a kid because I like a just look

6:38

up to those players, but. to those players

6:40

but Don't you think, don't you think of

6:42

of that, don't you think some of that

6:44

some because, though is because You know, just it and he

6:46

like he like he doesn't care. he doesn't get

6:48

excited about it. he he says that. Like it's

6:50

just a thing about he openly is like,

6:53

I don't care about it. And then it's to

6:55

like blame the media for everything, but the

6:57

media deserves a lot of blame. it. discourse

6:59

around it is so shitty media for so stupid.

7:01

And it becomes a thing where people are, a

7:03

you know, whether it's this stuff with him

7:05

and Joelle or whatever it is where it

7:07

becomes, it becomes so dumb down that I

7:09

feel like a Jason's point people just like

7:11

basketball and don't want want to

7:13

fight all the time they like tune it out

7:15

they're just sort of like they're both great it

7:18

out. yeah, just just elaborate.

7:20

It's like. both I don't

7:22

even know how you compare just elaborate, it's

7:24

just like, I different players how the idea that

7:26

and are like arguing on the internet

7:28

over these two is really funny. And

7:30

then to Trey's point, I wish we

7:32

didn't look at it as this the truth

7:34

that this player is undisputed best, whatever.

7:36

And I wish it was just like

7:38

more celebratory is the way that Trey

7:40

is sort of. of. I the

7:42

follow-up have we talked follow with have we talked about

7:45

talked with year about this hurt year a he

7:47

was hurt And I think a bunch of

7:49

people should have talked about this over the

7:51

last couple years publicly is with the the all NBA stuff

7:53

in the minimum games I mean I mean, I

7:55

don't know if this is the same exact

7:57

conversation, but like you guys have seen this with

7:59

your your team is It's been the craziest injury shit

8:01

I've ever seen, but like, the idea that

8:03

you need to force yourself to play because

8:06

of an arbitrary award feels like it's like

8:08

antithetical to like, you know, what's good for

8:10

the human body. And so I'm just curious

8:12

if you think that's gonna like come to

8:14

a head at some point where there's almost

8:17

a, you know, there's, it doesn't feel right,

8:19

basically. That if you play, you know, 66

8:21

games. But you dominate but you had to

8:23

miss other games because you were actually hurt

8:25

That you should not be eligible for for

8:28

all but we thought we talked about with

8:30

Tatum and he'd lost a bunch of money

8:32

because of it And it was a and

8:34

so I don't know I don't know if

8:36

that's it. I don't know if it's the

8:39

exact same conversation or not, but it does

8:41

feel like there's probably some connection Yeah, I

8:43

definitely think it should be based on based

8:45

on you know Like it's tough because you

8:47

know if you try there's always gonna be

8:50

ways to people find a loophole because if

8:52

you say like okay has to be based

8:54

on like actual injuries instead of people saying

8:56

like rest those just be like okay ankle

8:58

man or management or like illness and it's

9:01

like you can't really like question somebody being

9:03

sick so then if it's like the whole

9:05

thing is like about participating but you know

9:07

there are actually a lot of guys like

9:09

like like like like like like you said

9:12

with Tyries last year. He probably came back

9:14

too quickly and was playing hurt for a

9:16

good amount of time. And that's not good

9:18

for anybody. That's not good for the league.

9:20

It's not good for Tyrese. It's not good

9:23

for his team. And, you know, that's a

9:25

problem. But if he doesn't play and he

9:27

doesn't have a chance to make that all

9:29

NBA, then he's missing on a large amount

9:31

of money, which at the end of day,

9:34

like... this is a career and you have

9:36

a short window of time that you're going

9:38

to be playing this game and you want

9:40

to try to make the most money you

9:42

can in this time so you can give

9:45

it back to your family or do things

9:47

that you want to do with that money.

9:49

So it's tough. It's definitely tough and I

9:51

don't envy silver that one one

9:53

because you got to got to

9:56

figure it out in

9:58

order to you the

10:00

players the well as as

10:02

appease the fans and

10:04

the product that you're

10:06

trying to put out

10:09

there. you're Yeah, I think.

10:11

out there. Yeah I think so many

10:13

variables outside of basketball too

10:15

that just factor in. too that

10:17

I'm a big proponent. I've

10:19

been very open about been very hoping

10:21

believe that the MVP the MVP

10:23

votes should make. back to go back to

10:26

being private because of what group think is

10:28

sort of done to the voter pool.

10:30

That obviously obviously opens yourself up to, you

10:32

know, just of just voting for their

10:34

people and no one knowing that but that

10:36

but I don't know I don't know, to I I've

10:38

said this on another podcast before, I

10:40

but I remember talking to a young

10:42

MVP voter last year I was like,

10:44

I would have voted this way. the

10:47

votes were going to knew the votes were

10:49

gonna be public. a And it's like a funny

10:51

thing to consider because you're talking about guys that

10:53

are. that are trying to make it

10:55

in sports media. They're young, They're

10:57

young. You know, they're probably with the same

10:59

group of people that probably

11:01

dictate their future jobs. There's

11:03

so many variables outside of. There's

11:06

so many variables outside of just basketball

11:08

that don't know I'm just feeling a

11:10

real fatigue around this a real vote.

11:12

So year's it. vote. So we get to

11:14

the draft, we get to the about the dunk

11:16

in the Memphis game. we talk

11:19

about the Duncan and Memphis Oh,

11:21

you're trying to be funny. to be funny.

11:23

We're just curious. Okay, let

11:25

me lay this out me lay this out

11:27

for you right here. want to say is the

11:29

end of the to say the

11:31

end of the second half, no,

11:34

of the is like the end of the second half.

11:36

in the first in the first app, sorry. In

11:38

the first app, I probably

11:40

have time, some like that. Yeah, you're this

11:42

time? cooked like that? Yeah, you're cooking. You cooked

11:45

the whole game. cooking, I was cooking. I was

11:47

cooking. And I had I had an

11:49

open, fast break. And I said, you know know I'm

11:51

about to really put a stamp on this. I'm

11:53

put this. on this. I'm going to window soon

11:55

as I as I my foot. my foot, I

11:57

slid. And I'm telling you, you it was not

12:00

my shoe because it was like I

12:02

was on the ground like it

12:04

was like this it wasn't like

12:06

I was on the side of

12:08

my shoes like this and so

12:10

my foot slid and I fell

12:12

and so one thing also I'm

12:14

gonna say is I was not

12:16

looking at the referee I'm looking

12:18

at the ballboys because like I'm

12:20

cool I'm cold I'm cold with

12:22

ballboys and I'm looking in like

12:24

y'all bro what are y'all doing

12:26

like that's the floor wet and

12:28

so It was funny just seeing

12:30

that on Twitter, people like, yeah,

12:32

why is he looking for a

12:34

file? I'm like, no, I wasn't

12:36

looking for a file. It's me

12:38

and DeGante right there. I'm not

12:40

looking for a file. I'm looking

12:42

at the ballboys and I'm like,

12:44

yo, what are y'all doing? This

12:47

can't happen. It's unacceptable. During a

12:49

game, obviously, I'm mad about it.

12:51

And so then I. made a

12:53

little tick talk about it and

12:55

added a little sound in there

12:57

posted on Instagram because can't embarrass

12:59

me like I promise you like

13:01

it's so hard to embarrass me

13:03

because like I'm probably gonna laugh

13:05

for myself too. Yeah, I think

13:07

that's well said. I did have

13:09

a second question Tommy. Okay, before

13:11

we draft, let's get the Jason

13:13

second question. Okay, this one's less

13:15

big picture. I followed Naji Marshall

13:17

on Twitter and I'm just curious,

13:19

you're like, just one sentence response

13:21

to his little dust up the

13:23

other night. He's your friend, right?

13:25

That's my dog. I don't really

13:27

talk to him today. Thoughts? Um...

13:29

Hmm. I wanna... I don't wanna

13:31

sound, you know, politically incorrect. I

13:33

know. But... I will say Naji

13:35

is somebody that I would not

13:37

want to fight. Let me just

13:39

say that. And he is very

13:41

heavy handed. This is something that

13:43

I have told him for three

13:46

years while he was on my

13:48

team, because he likes to play

13:50

around. and like people.

13:52

And I'm like,

13:54

bro, stop hitting

13:56

me. You are

13:58

too heavy are for

14:00

that. handed for that. Like

14:02

you think so if

14:04

he lands a

14:06

clean shot on

14:08

a clean shot on somebody, like

14:10

he's He's gonna put a lot of a

14:12

on him, so. on him. So, um, I'm not surprised I'm

14:14

not surprised but it, but that's though. He's He's

14:16

gonna stand up for his for his if you

14:18

step to him, to he will make sure he

14:20

will step back to you. So. to you. So

14:23

and to step to you until

14:25

he feels like he's done enough, feels like

14:27

he's done enough. And so I but

14:29

we called him after. after and just

14:31

say that conversation was very,

14:33

very funny. was very very

14:35

funny. a person who who

14:37

grew up a up a Dallas Mavericks fan

14:39

and a lot of Dallas Mavericks

14:41

of Dallas fans were. fans the we're

14:43

very much in his corner. in his corner.

14:46

can't, like everybody's a nausea corner,

14:48

man. an one of those guys. man. He's one

14:50

of Did you, how fast did you

14:52

realize that you passed him in the

14:54

number of fouls committed as passed him in the number

14:56

of fouls committed as a pelican? I didn't even see

14:58

that he tweeted it, see sent it

15:00

to me. And I was it, my dad

15:02

sent it to me. and now I I yo,

15:04

what's wrong with you? like, And you

15:06

know what's funny what's I said I

15:09

I was like, bro, you know to

15:11

more than I do. yo, And his

15:13

response was, you know it shows otherwise. too. I

15:15

said to him, I was ha, ha. bro, you

15:17

know you hack more than just hilarious

15:19

that his sent him. That's it's

15:21

like yeah shows such a

15:23

specific thing to be counting such

15:25

a specific thing to in front of

15:27

him Are we really counting fouls right now? Okay.

15:29

All right. We're gonna right, we're gonna

15:31

go to the interview we

15:34

taped this interview with with

15:36

White and White and Peyton Minneapolis in

15:38

January 1st So before they're

15:40

crazy 1st. So before they're guys are

15:42

a trip Coast got one of

15:44

the craziest training stories that

15:46

you will ever hear got one

15:48

of the then we will get to

15:50

the draft with stories that you will ever

15:52

hear. And then we will get to the draft

15:54

with Trey to the show.

15:56

Thank you I having me.

15:59

I guess can. back to college since

16:01

I remember a little freshman, Peyton Pritcherin,

16:03

at Oregon. What was your first impression

16:05

of the Pac-12? We'll start with that

16:08

and just a whole conference of, well,

16:10

champions, as Bill Walton would say. For

16:12

sure. I mean, we were obviously the

16:15

champions that year, regular season. We had

16:17

a really good team. A lot of

16:19

pros on the team. I do remember

16:21

playing you guys when we were like

16:24

top five and that's when I first

16:26

saw Derek for the first time and

16:28

he put about. Probably like 30 on

16:31

us at Colorado. They stormed the court.

16:33

He was unstoppable But it was a

16:35

lot of good. That year was actually a

16:37

lot of good talent like you know you

16:40

see they had a Lonzo Markale folds Eric

16:42

at Colorado We had a good team. Yeah

16:44

Pack 12 had a lot of good teams

16:46

at that time. So were you were you

16:49

aware of his game before he put 30

16:51

on you guys? Well you know he was

16:53

a good player and I think I actually

16:55

I seen Derek the first time in Colorado

16:58

Springs because then you used to like when

17:00

you went to school out there didn't you

17:02

do stuff at the USA facilities? Yeah so

17:04

I remember I remember I seen it one

17:07

time and the coaches were talking at this

17:09

time he was only a D2 player and

17:11

so and they were like oh this kid's

17:14

really good but like at the time you

17:16

don't really take it serious or anything and

17:18

then he goes to Colorado and then look

17:20

at him. What was your guys scout on

17:23

him? at that point. I probably was not

17:25

high on the sky before. I was more

17:27

of a run-the-play. Yeah, that was a... A

17:29

lot of those guys didn't like me taking

17:32

a shot. Yeah, that was... I mean, I

17:34

didn't think you had a really good game.

17:36

That game though. Just shooter. I mean, they

17:39

kind of had that little flow of the

17:41

offense that kind of went through Dylan Brooks

17:43

and all other guys, but we definitely had

17:45

to be aware of where our painting was.

17:48

That was like our second pack 12 win

17:50

so it was it was great for the

17:52

the confidence boost that we needed. What was

17:54

the I was meaning to ask you what

17:57

was the West Lynn basketball scene like you're

17:59

growing up? like the environment like

18:01

just like what was the was the competition like like

18:03

what was the I mean was good good was a

18:05

I think think Oregon has a lot of

18:07

good talent I mean I mean I

18:09

was not I was not supposed to

18:11

win my freshman year. We got lucky

18:13

and went on a run. and at the

18:16

the time school Kevin Love went to Lake Oswego yeah my first year

18:18

high first year of high school they were eight in

18:20

the country they in the country. we're They

18:22

were undefeated, beat a lot of ranked

18:24

teams or whatever. then and then We ended up

18:26

upsetting them in the semis. them in the

18:28

won that year, we just After I won that

18:30

we were the team to be. We obviously

18:32

had a lot of deep teams. to be. We tell

18:34

people this all the time, a lot of deep teams.

18:37

year. people this all the time, my senior year,

18:39

or four three or four dudes go

18:41

D1 in then we had

18:43

two MLB two prospects. prospects

18:45

got drafted and then two NFL players. two

18:48

NFL it's just, for a high school team, that's

18:50

a lot of athletes. a high school Did you play

18:52

football a your dad? of athletes. Did I

18:54

stopped after my freshman year. your dad?

18:56

I kind of What position? Quarterback? Do you ever have

18:58

that, Do you ever have that, always, he used to

19:00

think I my way better at football used to think

19:02

I was way better at football people around me probably

19:05

think the same, but I around me probably

19:07

think the same, but so much more and know, I

19:09

just just playing basketball so much more and

19:11

I playing one side of the ball week and only

19:13

playing throughout the week and only playing

19:15

one game. it just wasn't that fun fun.

19:17

I chose basketball because be could be indoors You can

19:19

just play You can just play all Yeah. You

19:21

playing in practice, you're scrimmageing, like it's practice fun. Yeah, when you're in

19:23

it's just more fun in like, in football

19:25

like, let called get inside like not, just like

19:27

let me just get inside I remember know my

19:29

center, we were practicing in eighth grade, this one, I quarterback I

19:31

I remember this. It was out in like my we did,

19:33

and we did, we were it, and cold, and we grade

19:35

it, and was like it, I don't know

19:37

about this. It was it, and cold, we did it, and,

19:39

and, and, We did a play and, and, and,

19:41

and, and, right in front of me and,

19:44

and, I'm just like and, and, and, I don't

19:46

even know if I'm ready. for this anymore.

19:48

Was Oregon or was the plan college No, the

19:50

plan to was? No, I committed

19:52

to because my first, because my parents

19:54

went there. kind of You know

19:56

I was kind of feel like I was in their

19:58

there first steps. And then. then. When it came

20:00

to school, I was like, and I

20:03

kind of just want to stay home.

20:05

And I thought I saw like a

20:07

path of success at Oregon, that I

20:10

could eventually earn a starting spot there

20:12

and, you know, be a part of

20:14

a winning program. And so I decided

20:16

to go to that route. What was

20:19

that, what was dealing like in college?

20:21

I mean, so the thing is, is

20:23

like, everybody, Dylan is a little crazy,

20:26

but it's what makes him good. Like

20:28

he's a psycho competitor. playing with him

20:30

because there's one thing even in practice

20:32

he's gonna leave it all out on

20:35

the floor every time so you know

20:37

as a teammate you respect it now

20:39

if you're playing against him he's definitely

20:41

gonna do an annoying things and and

20:44

try to get into your skin and

20:46

try to get into your skin and

20:48

try to get into your skin and

20:51

stuff but that's just who he is

20:53

who he's it's funny in about it

20:55

a lot when they were in Memphis

20:57

together like He's gotten so good, he's

21:00

a great player, he's a great, you

21:02

know, an international player as well, but

21:04

like, he's gotten so good at sort

21:06

of the competitive stuff, at just being

21:09

able to sort of like manage that

21:11

with himself and his teammates, but then

21:13

also get under your guy's skin. Was

21:16

he as good at that back then,

21:18

or is that something that you noticed

21:20

a difference in as he sort of

21:22

like learned? Well, I think he's definitely

21:25

gotten better. He's probably got. I always

21:27

say it's just a blessing and a

21:29

curse because it's probably what makes him

21:32

great and he wouldn't be at the

21:34

level he's at without that competitiveness so

21:36

but I think he's definitely controlled it

21:38

more now. Yeah I bet most practices

21:41

were crazy because Pete here is probably

21:43

one of the most competitive people we

21:45

have on the team and I always

21:47

say it's just a blessing and a

21:50

curse because it's probably what makes him

21:52

great and he wouldn't be at the

21:54

level he's at without that. competitiveness so

21:57

but I think he's definitely controlled it

21:59

more now. Yeah, I bet bet

22:01

those practices were crazy one non-stop and sure

22:03

I mean it's fun to see him Have

22:05

you always been that way? always been

22:07

that way? Yeah, definitely. I was I

22:10

was playing one on one since young. I

22:12

mean, Steve Blake in the league non-stop For sure.

22:14

mean it's fun to see him compete. Have

22:16

you always been that way? always been that

22:18

way? Yeah, definitely. I was playing playing

22:20

one -on -one since, yeah, and I never

22:22

won one time, one time but so that just

22:24

of of me in me like... trying

22:27

to go against people that are probably

22:29

better than me than me and stuff and like competing

22:31

and that's probably gonna make you better. probably gonna

22:33

you both of you guys about this. How

22:35

do you harness about this how do I think

22:37

every professional athlete has a version of this

22:39

question. How do you harness this question how do you

22:41

harness the that and the competitive spirit with

22:43

also with also just purely like in a a

22:45

pure of of basketball level, not even talking about

22:47

like in your personal life, in your personal life to

22:50

scale it back when you need to, need

22:52

whether that's like in the locker room, whether

22:54

it's like, whether sometimes I need to. I need to you

22:56

know, take the the backseat on this. you know, I

22:58

need I need do things that are, you know,

23:00

for the good of the team the good of the

23:02

team when you have that when of why you

23:04

are here, why you are you're in this position

23:06

that you're in is because of that edge.

23:08

And so how do you sort of learn

23:11

to harness of learn to harness you want to kind

23:13

of take that first? take that I think that. that

23:15

you You just try to do do what's best for

23:17

the team in that moment. in that moment. Like, obviously, everybody

23:19

wants to wants to like, like, really

23:22

well and be in the game.

23:24

like, play really well, like, Close lineups and

23:26

stuff like that. that, but Just if your teammate got

23:28

it it going and just kind

23:30

of understanding different ways that we

23:32

can win games. so win games and so

23:34

of just. of just reading the the

23:36

is going going and obviously you to win and

23:38

you want to help any way

23:41

you can any way you can but Just having your back

23:43

I think is just the most

23:45

important part. the most I agree with that.

23:47

Yeah, I agree with that like know. obviously

23:50

y 'all are always trying to do with the,

23:52

to do with the with our team, team like a lot

23:54

of different guys can close stuff. it's just just like

23:56

a lot of guys can have different nights

23:58

nights and know, it's trusting in the end. And In

24:00

a day, it's like Joe's decision when he decides

24:02

on that. But I feel like, you know, as

24:04

far as, like, personally, you just, I

24:07

don't necessarily look game to game, but I'm just always

24:09

trying to find ways to. keep getting

24:11

better and better. Like, so, like. bad

24:14

game, good game, like it's just learning and

24:16

keep growing and growing. And then in the

24:18

minutes I do get, I got to take

24:20

full advantage and just play as well as

24:22

possible Cause, and then that just helps our

24:24

team and. yeah, that's pretty much it. Was When you

24:26

were in school was four years, that was the plan? I

24:29

I really had no thought. Like, Like if I could

24:32

have got to lead quicker, I'd definitely put up.

24:34

I mean, they didn't really give me the the

24:37

keys to like run the offense

24:39

to my junior year. Yeah. So

24:43

I could have left the end of my

24:45

junior year. It would have been like a late

24:47

second round, midway second round pick. decided

24:49

to come back and shut up my

24:52

stock and obviously worked out for

24:54

me. Did you did you a particular

24:56

highlight? I was watching the the

24:58

game, the beater, the Arizona game where

25:00

you went crazy. Like, Was there

25:02

one thing that stood out as like,

25:05

when you look back at that

25:07

experience, like this was sort of

25:09

the peak? Like how well I was

25:11

playing? Like just like your, personal

25:13

moment? This was my favorite moment,

25:15

yeah. Man, I mean the Washington one.

25:17

was, it's a rivalry game

25:19

and that was a, that probably

25:22

one of my favorite shots. The Arizona

25:24

game was probably one of my favorite games

25:26

just because we had to win to win

25:28

the conference kind of or if we lost

25:30

they were probably going to win so it

25:32

was two ranked teams. So was a lot

25:34

riding on that game. And, and I

25:36

remember they had a like three

25:38

or four dudes that were supposed to be

25:40

first round picks and they had a kid named Nico

25:42

Manion, who was the starting point guard at the time. And They

25:45

were saying he was going to top 10 pick. So

25:47

obviously I had that circle and was

25:49

ready for that moment. And Yeah,

25:52

Yeah, sounds like it. I

25:56

to go back to this the most

25:58

competitive guy in practice. Do you you have a

26:00

story of this that you've seen seen when you

26:03

guys you guys at any any point since you guys have

26:05

played together? together? I mean, I mean, you

26:07

just go back to the

26:09

the -one. Like I just remember, was

26:11

shooting, I shooting, I looked down, I see -one

26:13

against one-on-one against the like in this,

26:15

like like, this, you, like, why are

26:17

you are you, uh... why you guarding me in the he's

26:19

like I he's like I like it can

26:21

learn different ways to score around

26:23

the basket to I can learn how

26:25

to guard a big I in

26:27

the learn I was like, I guess

26:30

a big thought of it like that

26:32

I was like I guess I just just having

26:34

that that but but just just up or competitive

26:36

edge and before the season we're playing pickup or

26:38

usually gym before the season like pains team's usually the one

26:40

winning so you're just to obtain the Just having

26:42

that competitive that competitive spirit

26:44

edge and the competitive spirit non-stop. Draft Night,

26:47

20, do you have a Do you

26:49

have a from recollection from the

26:51

whole experience? I Yeah, I remember whole

26:53

whole thing. being there, remember of people

26:55

a bunch of people around and

26:57

sitting there like, every pick goes by

26:59

and people are just just staring and

27:01

waiting and going upstairs. going I can't

27:03

be around I can't be around I'm

27:05

sure you remember. I'm sure you remember. Just

27:07

on edge. on edge. You're just sitting there

27:09

waiting for a call from your agent. from your agent.

27:11

And I didn't even think I was didn't

27:13

even think I was gonna go to Boston. to Boston. And

27:15

in it, because I was looking at the roster too and

27:17

I'm too, I'm like, the guard heavy, they they picked point

27:20

point guards draft before, and then I And then I didn't

27:22

even work out for them or anything. And

27:24

anything. then I randomly, and then I ran to me, 26, came, my

27:26

my agent calls and said, I'm getting picked

27:28

and I'm like, and I'm like, crazy, but. but. Well,

27:30

I was I was curious about

27:32

this this particular draft, with the

27:34

2020 draft. know, we've talked We've talked about

27:36

this with Tyrese before, for example, but it's

27:38

a loaded, but a and retrospect. draft in But because

27:40

of COVID, but was like was different. was like. And

27:43

And so, you you in in retrospect?

27:45

if you had more you had had more of a

27:47

normal process, things might have gone differently. Yeah, I think

27:49

I definitely I would have got drafted higher,

27:51

honestly, because I think I would've

27:53

had had the March madness and the way way

27:55

I was playing, was ready for

27:57

that moment. and you know that know boost your

27:59

stuff. right there just of having good

28:01

performances and leading your team and

28:03

then your team and then you know, I

28:06

definitely wasn't going to duck wasn't gonna duck

28:08

smoke in a and like I was going

28:10

to want to go. I was going to want

28:12

to go. You would have thrived. So I was I was

28:14

like, I I didn't get to to I

28:16

two individual two that that whole time

28:18

and it was Toronto and time that

28:20

came to Toronto and in I just didn't

28:22

get that. came to LA and so

28:24

but didn't get out. but

28:27

I I'd say. worked out and yeah I'd say.

28:29

I was thinking I think you would be

28:31

I think you would be like like

28:33

workouts, guys where you're just gonna just going

28:35

to fly around, that but is kind of

28:37

is kind of interesting the COVID and

28:39

everything and everything kind of changed everything

28:41

because so many many people get drafted

28:44

just off of a big march and yeah

28:46

think you, I mean you I mean,

28:48

you had a big you in March every

28:50

year are you in March every year? except

28:52

myself when we sophomore year, we had it down

28:54

down here but you guys were pretty much

28:56

deep every year. year and played well, so

28:58

that for sure sure What were were your

29:00

workouts like? workouts like I did did.

29:03

I think 15 workouts, I think, 15

29:05

or 16. went to, of a weird kind

29:07

of a weird process, in the city city

29:09

the night before. you go you do the You

29:11

wake up, you of the and then three

29:14

most time, to the and then they just

29:16

drive you to the airport, and

29:18

you fly off to the next city,

29:20

and you're just kind of just all

29:22

over the place. and I thought I

29:24

was pretty solid. I I don't want

29:26

to say I'm the best three on

29:28

three player, on three had one had one drive

29:31

I got torched. I was was off off

29:33

is my junior year and my one in and I did

29:35

I in to fly to that I had to

29:37

fly to Sacramento to do the next

29:39

one. I was playing against, you you remember

29:41

the kid named Chris named Chris Clemens? short like

29:43

the short little five but he

29:45

was but he was leading the college and

29:47

like scoring and then we played three. And like

29:49

that's the worst to guard somebody that

29:51

quick, that fast. And he's like, pull

29:53

it up it up and this is court. Yeah, a

29:55

a lot of space. Was he talking?

29:57

He He wasn't talking, but just just so like.

30:00

Just, it was his day. So when was his day. in

30:02

the workouts for both of these, are you getting any kind in the

30:04

workouts for both of these, are you getting

30:06

any kind of real time feedback? being like, oh, you Like,

30:08

will you hear from they're not going to be like, oh, you sucked, you

30:10

like, that, or sort of any they're not gonna be like, like

30:12

you sucked, but real time? are you getting any sort

30:14

of, any sort of sense on the it went in real

30:16

go to or is it just sort of place, and you

30:18

go, the you do it, you get on the plane,

30:20

you place, and you go to the next place? place?

30:22

I mean after mean, after the workout,

30:24

you usually sit down and have a

30:26

little meeting with the front or the

30:28

coaches or there. was there, you kind of have

30:30

a feeling of how you did

30:32

and I'll talk with your agent, but

30:34

but like I went to San Antonio

30:37

and I was not good at

30:39

all. good at all and like they were like were

30:41

like, maybe we'll have you back

30:43

for a second workout workout and they just

30:45

just canceled that. so I was like not thinking I

30:47

was thinking I was gonna go there and

30:49

then 29th think I get drafted. So drafted. so

30:51

it's kind of an interesting process. I interesting kind

30:53

of just want to see you up

30:55

close in person want to see you up just kind

30:57

of get to know you. just kind of get to you

31:00

people put a lot of some people

31:02

don't. And so it's interesting. people What

31:04

was your a it's about the Boston

31:06

roster before you got there? roster

31:09

before thought there was no chance I

31:11

was ever going to play. was no chance I was

31:13

ever gonna actually played up. played Like out of

31:15

of my first three years,

31:17

my most, most though year, my rookie

31:19

error because Kimball was hurt. Yeah. But I

31:22

was looking at looking at it way there's no

31:24

to be very hard to crack

31:26

this rotation. to crack this but

31:28

things things happen and a long

31:30

journey a long journey and it will my way into

31:32

there. you think the biggest think the I mean,

31:34

I was looking at the stats of your

31:36

first couple of months because you had to

31:38

play a lot early of were mentioning because of

31:41

the Cambridger, what was your biggest adjustment had to

31:43

your first. to the four years in school and then getting to getting

31:45

to the league? mean, you got to

31:47

learn defensively. Like, it's a it's a

31:49

different type know, guys can be in the guys

31:51

can be in the a but just a

31:53

different level of you So you got to

31:55

find how are you are you most going to

31:57

impact the game defensively and not get get cooked

31:59

and obviously. with my my gotta be to be like a

32:02

a pest and picking guys up

32:04

and using my hands very well and

32:06

stuff like that so it was

32:08

an adjustment to learn those different things

32:10

and then you know picking up

32:12

on you know and stuff like that but

32:14

offensively like that but easier, I think,

32:16

to score I the NBA than score and then

32:18

B.A. than college like you heard that?

32:20

There's space, space is everything. I feel like

32:22

I feel like similar to what

32:24

they say say like Europe. It's like

32:26

Europe's harder, but it's also because it's can

32:29

camp in the lane. Usually the big

32:31

man's sitting there. the You're not

32:33

gonna have as many shooters like in

32:35

college. gonna have got one or two guys that

32:37

can't shoot college. Yeah, on the core

32:39

got the or two guys that Very rare the

32:41

not having it on our team in

32:43

the pros so you got to cover

32:45

every all five guys it on our team guys

32:47

on so yeah, so you got you learn that. every

32:49

all five guys and it just have to guys

32:52

it up or get and learn

32:54

going to right away? Yeah I mean, I took my

32:56

mean, I took my lumps, learned

32:58

from me and keep from me, on and on

33:00

and get better and better. Did

33:02

you have a Chris a Chris Clemens moment early? Yeah,

33:04

I mean, I I mean, I and them on

33:06

Christmas Day, Christmas Day. And I remember

33:08

guarding Kyrie for the first time

33:10

and just like how fast fast he was

33:12

and how quickly he could could

33:15

directions and his fluidity. So

33:17

I definitely definitely had some tough matchups

33:19

that I had to to guard and they

33:21

They got the best of me. of me. I wasn't wanted

33:23

to ask both you guys this this. We've

33:25

talked about this about this particular Kay in particular, but you know,

33:27

there been a moment when you've been on the

33:29

court, and this can be one of your teammates

33:32

as well. It doesn't have to be happening to

33:34

you where you've had this can be one of your

33:36

been in awe of what you

33:38

just witnessed. have to be happening to you, where

33:40

you've had just like an awe, like was crazy.

33:42

an awe of what you just think it's

33:44

like just some of the athletic

33:47

stuff that happens. recently. Yeah, John's Duck

33:49

mean crazy. I think stuff JB

33:51

does, it's kind of impressive.

33:53

that happens. Yeah. How is this possible?

33:55

A lot of players, like of

33:57

players, how he blocks shots sometimes.

34:00

his timing, Drew, how he can

34:02

move laterally defending. Like he always

34:04

is able to cut guys off

34:06

without cutting them off. Like just

34:08

his awareness, JT at his size,

34:10

the way he can shoot it,

34:12

dribble it. They're in half court.

34:14

Yeah. We're getting to that. Yeah,

34:17

nice. Yeah, the job, mean, the

34:19

job thing, I've just like from a

34:22

pure explosiveness standpoint, it feels like

34:24

it almost is like physiologically impossible to

34:26

do some of the stuff that

34:28

he does. It's amazing. He's a freak,

34:30

but some I was like too close

34:32

to it when it happened and

34:34

then I had to like watch your

34:37

back. was like, yeah, that was,

34:39

that was special. Where were you when

34:41

he had to put back? I

34:43

was like right around the baseline. Did

34:46

you know right away? No, I had mean,

34:48

we was all waiting to see if it

34:50

was even good. Yeah. Because you really couldn't

34:52

tell. Yeah, it was close. I felt like

34:54

I got it off. So I was like

34:56

pretty confident. was like, you get it off?

34:58

I'm like, I think so. But like you

35:00

never really know in the moment. And we

35:02

were just all running around, just was waiting. Yeah,

35:04

we were just like looking up at the

35:06

jump and trying just waiting for the replay

35:08

to come out. that's a, if we would

35:10

have ended up winning that series, that would

35:12

have been, I mean, still it's a historic

35:14

moment, but that would have been. It was

35:16

just like a, it was an all -time

35:18

clutch play. It's funny watching on TV though,

35:20

because on TV you're jumping, you're jumping up

35:22

and down. You're like, I got it, I

35:24

got it, I got it. And everyone else

35:26

is just kind of sitting there. Everybody's kind

35:28

of just like, we don't know. Wait a

35:30

second. You're right. Like Rob's running up to

35:32

me and just hit me. like, did you

35:34

make it? I'm like, yeah. then it was

35:36

kind of just like a silence in the

35:38

arena. Like don't everybody just up there looking up

35:40

and then just exploded. An incredible moment. do

35:42

you think, this is

35:44

kind of a sort of a strange way to

35:47

put this because it's like instincts or instincts, but

35:49

also can instincts be learned? Because I feel like

35:51

a play like that, you know, that is, that's

35:53

just you. that's just your brain. I mean, it

35:55

was a physical action, but it's also your brain

35:57

to be able to do that. Is that something

35:59

that can be taught? or you just have it? I

36:01

think it's the only it's just playing a lot. just

36:03

playing a lot and That's the only way. I feel

36:05

like. playing playing basketball, learning how

36:07

the ball comes off the rim. rim, you

36:10

know, right? You know, don't know if don't know

36:12

if you can, there's no drills or

36:14

anything. It's just playing the game and

36:16

the game and ways different ways to affect it.

36:18

Yeah, and I think like a lot of

36:20

time people a lot of time people get in to

36:22

get in their head too much. And then like when you

36:24

just you of kind of just

36:26

trust your instincts, trust what you

36:29

see. you see. That's when people start

36:31

getting like when they're in a in

36:33

something, they probably start something they probably

36:35

start I just over thinking and said just

36:37

your form. so, the instant trust in But

36:39

it's also like you just learn a

36:41

lot, also like you just learn a lot There's which

36:43

I think is is most underrated. skill

36:46

in and basketball just listening and and

36:48

we talked about it in training

36:50

camp camp the end of the game

36:52

of the game like guys should crash because

36:55

there's no point in getting back

36:57

in getting mean that one little one little

36:59

in training camp training camp big that big

37:01

moment so listening and learning learning and just stressing

37:03

your than distressing your instincts. you feel you feel

37:05

like you had a before you got to the league

37:07

you got to the had a college, you had

37:09

a breakthrough moment. from a mental standpoint

37:12

where you standpoint. you were really you feel

37:14

like you were we were under, because we were

37:16

just talking about you at Colorado and how you

37:18

were cooking basically every night there, but there but like

37:20

We've talked already about your already about

37:23

get to that place like to even get

37:25

to the that a major jump. And so

37:27

do you feel like there was a point?

37:29

get to the the confidence

37:31

a kind of jump. you had it. so

37:34

do you feel like game, was a point where

37:36

you just the Shout out to you.

37:38

You wouldn't be here if

37:40

it wasn't for like just now,

37:42

because of that moment. you had it?

37:44

uh, like, I had a good game

37:46

against Xavier early in the year, but, like, they were

37:48

still kind of like... did. trying to figure

37:50

out like my position on the team,

37:52

then I had a had a big game

37:54

against Oregon and then like that moment on,

37:56

I felt like felt like was the guy

37:58

on the team and that

38:01

of ran the offense through

38:03

me and so. also just

38:05

being a team that was so talented

38:07

like they were and just proven to

38:09

myself and everybody that I can play

38:11

in, I can play at that

38:13

level. so that was probably like uptake

38:16

of my season. And

38:18

then had it

38:20

really good. like last three

38:22

or four games of the season. So

38:24

So I was pretty, my sock was

38:26

rising at the right time. What

38:28

do you think the characteristics

38:30

of a Good locker room are?

38:34

Guys not having, I mean, it's tough

38:36

cause like guys have egos, but it's

38:38

like not allowing that to like. I

38:41

don't know the word I'm maybe trying to

38:43

but just like guys put in the team

38:45

before themselves always and I think this team

38:47

has like a bunch of really good dudes

38:49

and like they all

38:51

have that without, like everybody has ego

38:53

they, wants their own success and

38:55

stuff, but it's just, this team has

38:57

the ability to always put the

38:59

team first. I think,

39:01

look at the great part about this, is that

39:04

like our team is that we

39:06

let everybody be who they are.

39:08

Like we don't judge anybody and

39:10

like the top to bottom, like

39:12

if you want to be goofy

39:15

jokes like Luke, like we embrace

39:17

that like just whoever you are

39:19

as a person and it's cool

39:21

to see like everybody kind of

39:23

like just step up like their

39:25

own personality and everybody just kind

39:27

of embracing it and we're all

39:29

just doing things together for the

39:32

betterment just team. Yeah, and also it

39:34

feels Like we were talking before but just the

39:36

reps and like you guys have so many reps together

39:38

at this point And so it does

39:40

feel like, and there's like numbers to back

39:42

this up, it does feel like no matter

39:44

who's not playing, who's banged up, whatever it

39:46

may be, it's like your plug in, plug

39:49

and play you know, different, five different

39:51

guys off the bench and you're still

39:53

getting. a version of the same productivity, and

39:55

that probably is a tribute to what you're

39:57

talking about a little bit. Sure, I mean,

39:59

it's. We have a lot of good guys

40:01

like being professional, working on their games every

40:03

day so when that opportunity does come, guys are

40:05

ready for it and you know, I don't

40:07

think we ever look at it as like, ah,

40:09

that's gonna be You know,

40:11

I know myself and other guys that

40:13

they're ready for any of those moments that

40:15

like there's more uptake in minutes or

40:17

anything, they got to take full advantage of

40:19

it and help the team win that

40:21

night. We were talking about this a couple

40:23

of months ago, your experience in the

40:26

finals in 22 versus 24. Was there a

40:28

noticeable personal difference for you? Just

40:31

understanding like the circus is going

40:33

to be like, you know,

40:35

media, family and friends, everybody trying

40:37

to make it to the

40:39

game. and And to be honest,

40:41

you just get better at

40:43

it, just managing it. Yeah. I

40:45

think that's probably the biggest

40:47

thing. So I was probably like

40:49

the shock of all that

40:52

goes into the finals, like media

40:54

for 30 minutes before every

40:56

game or like the day before

40:58

every game. just the buzz and they're

41:00

asking so many questions and like this is

41:02

the stage that you dream about. So the first

41:04

time you're like all this year, like in

41:06

awe looking around like it was amazing. And this

41:08

is the second time we're like it, where

41:10

we know for sure. Do you feel like after

41:12

this past year, there's anything? Now

41:15

you've kind of seen it all to a

41:17

certain extent, after Paris too. For sure. Yeah.

41:20

yeah, I mean... I've

41:22

done a A lot of really

41:24

cool things and definitely lot of

41:26

different ways we've won games. and Uh,

41:29

played in a lot of big games, so it's uh, a, it's

41:31

been fun. What did you notice

41:33

about when talking about good locker rooms,

41:35

know, think the the proof is in the

41:37

pudding with you guys, obviously, but with

41:39

the USA, from that experience, from just a

41:41

chemistry standpoint, like what do you feel

41:43

like you were able to take and bring

41:45

back? I mean,

41:48

first off, just a lot

41:50

of mutual respect for everybody.

41:52

Obviously, we had like the

41:54

legends, like Braun, Stephan and

41:56

KD, but I remember my

41:58

first like day out there.

42:00

We had that We had a

42:02

game this is a big moment, out here

42:04

score a lot each person. LeBron James, like,

42:06

that's kind of crazy that, kind of handing

42:08

he's handing and then then kind

42:10

of just trickle down to

42:12

down to, like we had we had

42:14

to pass out jerseys everybody's in

42:16

there like, steps out jerseys like

42:18

we're looking around just like, we're

42:20

looking we had like that

42:22

unity of like that is of, this is

42:24

a big moment, whether you score a lot,

42:26

know, and there's only only one thing that matters.

42:28

I was, we've now talked now talked about this

42:31

a bunch, but did you think that

42:33

they were down against Serbia when you

42:35

were watching? you were watching? For sure. for

42:37

sure, I was watching. sure. was watching, I

42:39

was actually getting ready It's my wedding.

42:41

It's like a day or two

42:43

before and I'm just on the couch.

42:45

can't believe this is about to happen.

42:47

is about to happen. Like I like, I think

42:49

they were like, they were like, make one

42:51

of those shots. those could have really

42:53

went the other could have really went the other direction. writes

42:55

a a better story for it. it. You know, You know,

42:58

you guys came back and got it done. So this year

43:00

a lot has year, a lot has been

43:02

talked about the incredible season you've had. a

43:04

hundred different different numbers. now the now the third

43:06

player in the league with 120 plus three's, what

43:08

do you feel like the what do you feel

43:10

like the difference has been? more being more

43:12

confident and I you you kind of

43:14

touch on this, not second second guessing uh, and

43:17

trusting in the work the uh, you

43:19

know, we're playing very free and. free and

43:21

you know, know, obviously Joe gives a

43:23

confidence in us to us to like... pass up,

43:25

especially on a three on a three ball

43:27

and of just took that Iran took

43:29

that chance I get an opening I'm

43:31

going to let I'm gonna let it Have

43:33

you noticed a difference? Have you I

43:35

think... a difference? Yeah I think just

43:37

consistency game, bad game. game

43:39

just the same guy every

43:42

day. every day just comes in

43:44

ready to work. one

43:46

of my favorite things is.

43:48

is Like before shoot around is watching him

43:50

and Sam, How's your shoot and just work out and just

43:52

work out and just seeing how fast

43:54

they're moving, shooting how well they're shooting of my

43:56

favorite one of to do I just to do?

43:58

I just kind of sit over. there and

44:00

watch it before practice starts and it's

44:02

good to see like all that work

44:04

that they both put in that when

44:06

the lights are on like never second

44:08

guess and shoot any shot you want

44:10

and we all have confidence that he's

44:12

gonna make every shot he takes honestly.

44:14

Have you had the same routine pre-game?

44:16

No it's changed over the years. You

44:18

had a little tweaks the years when

44:20

I wasn't playing as much. I played

44:22

a lot more like kind of live

44:24

stuff. and it was a lot longer.

44:26

Yeah. It'd have been like 30 to

44:29

40 minutes for a game. But now

44:31

it's like the last shooting time and

44:33

obviously I play a good amount of

44:35

minutes so it's 15 minutes precise, efficient

44:37

work and and then it changes though.

44:39

I let Craig our player development who

44:41

takes me through the workouts like control

44:43

it and I have little inputs there

44:45

and there but I trust what he's

44:47

trying to simulate for me. What are

44:49

you doing? I think you either talked

44:51

about this in an interview or you

44:53

said it somewhere about some of the

44:55

live stuff you've done in the off-season

44:57

from a prep standpoint. Has that changed

44:59

at all? That's the same thing. It's

45:01

all the same. Sometimes the same. So

45:03

like what walk us do that? Well,

45:05

so I would hire like three, two

45:07

to three people at least to come

45:09

and garden and they'd be their D1

45:11

kids or like over, I have a

45:13

couple friends to play professional overseas that

45:15

at a high level. and they're all

45:17

different heights and different types of positions

45:19

and like the summer I would do

45:21

like I set up cones right from

45:23

so if I'm in like a certain

45:25

spot I would set up two cones

45:27

and they're the defenders in in between

45:29

there so I can't I can't get

45:32

by them outside the cones I gotta

45:34

get by in a small small space

45:36

so then I'm just going through you

45:38

know popping out or off the dribble

45:40

different different situations but like learning how

45:42

to beat them and those different a

45:44

big man, a guard, like different movements

45:46

it's gonna take to in that situation.

45:48

So I just wrapped that out and

45:50

it's probably like. 300, 400 possessions, straight.

45:52

And is it the is

45:54

it the same kids

45:56

all summer? it it

45:58

different? No, it it

46:00

some I find

46:02

the ones that the ones

46:04

go the hardest

46:06

and then I'll keep

46:08

them around more and

46:10

then I'll keep them around more. I think

46:12

for me, for me, like, I I started

46:14

instead of just paying of flat rate, used to make

46:16

it more challenging, rate. they win a spot. make it

46:19

more challenging, like if the pot. a spot,

46:21

I got them. in the pot for a

46:23

spot would be. a spot would be to five,

46:25

so went out of five of five for.

46:27

Some like that, but by the end of

46:29

it, I'm getting so tired that it's so tired,

46:31

it's like hard to, go to I that's

46:33

another thing. to I to room, that's another

46:36

it like try a big man there,

46:38

so it's all pull to treat it like, there's a

46:40

big a real vested interest or at

46:42

you? so. So they have lost a good amount

46:44

of money some days, but in look

46:46

at it at you. Sure, sure. part of

46:48

helping me get better. Make it back

46:51

of end. some When did I start? look

46:53

at it as it's part of I

46:55

would say get better. my end of my

46:57

third year, the league is And I, mean, I

46:59

did it a little bit, but then that's what

47:02

I'm I did it a little bit,

47:04

but then that's thought made me better and that's

47:06

what I thought made me better

47:08

and better. and I added to my

47:10

bag moves and to different moves and different

47:12

shots, fourth year, into my fourth year. like

47:14

my mid focused on like my mid -range

47:16

game spots finding spots really really affect it. and

47:18

I thought I took took a huge jump that

47:20

summer by doing that and then this

47:22

summer I focused on. on. Obviously

47:24

keeping all that the like shooting off the

47:26

creating separation with my

47:28

step creating I think it's helped me a lot. which

47:31

I get another helped me like or two

47:33

threes up a game two threes up a

47:35

game the dribble the off the dribble What

47:38

about your about routine? What's what's

47:40

changed. I think I'm just more efficient think

47:42

I'm just more efficient the league like

47:44

was in going to the gym and just going

47:46

to the gym to kind of

47:48

trying to figure it out trainer my

47:50

trainer Mason since I was in eighth grade I

47:52

was in eighth grade grade so I've always

47:54

been with him, but him

47:56

but now it's real efficient like I got

47:58

I'm a lift it. this time before, then

48:01

we're gonna go in, we're gonna get a

48:03

quick hour or so, like, shooting, balling, whatever

48:05

it might be, and then just doing that

48:07

consistently over the whole week or the whole

48:09

summer, it's been good for me. So, just

48:11

much more efficient than just kind of person

48:14

there, I'm just trying to, me in the

48:16

gym as much as possible. It does feel

48:18

like, like, we just talked about this with

48:20

JayJ all the time, but you know, Staff

48:22

is famous for this as well, like, like,

48:24

like, regimentation. Like there's always something no matter

48:26

how talented you are there's there's only so

48:29

much you can like just show up and

48:31

make it happen like you need to be

48:33

I mean Jay's you look over the top

48:35

because you would be like I got to

48:37

eat lunch at like 152 and like everything

48:39

was like down to the minute but at

48:42

the same point like if that's what works

48:44

that's what works and it feels like finding

48:46

that is a huge part of the process

48:48

of sort of how to make it professionally.

48:50

I mean it's just you lean on your

48:52

routine on your routine and I feel like

48:54

that's just like that's just like that's just

48:57

like you wake up every day and I

48:59

go I got to get this get this

49:01

done then it's just those days stack up

49:03

which ultimately just make a make you that

49:05

much better if you don't have a routine

49:07

that I feel like you can I'll skip

49:10

today or I don't need to do this

49:12

but I mean that's probably where JJ is

49:14

just like he's so he saw it work

49:16

for him and then he just kept going

49:18

with it with the kids over the summer

49:20

are you so are any of them local

49:22

or you find them all in? There was

49:25

a couple kids from a from UMass College.

49:27

There was some from, yeah, some flew in,

49:29

kids I knew from Oregon that would stay

49:31

with me and stuff like that. It is

49:33

a, it's a, like a, it's a very

49:35

intense way to get yourself better because you're,

49:38

it's like hunger games. Yeah, it is, it's

49:40

crazy. I think I just, I'm probably crazy

49:42

because I enjoyed so much because it's just

49:44

playing, but yeah. I've learned to create it

49:46

where I... I definitely think it's beneficial and

49:48

I definitely try to simulate the most game-like

49:51

in it. So it's always better when someone

49:53

else there, like a live body like

49:55

you're doing a one-on-one it's it's it's

49:57

it's tough but but even like

49:59

if I'm I'm just working

50:01

out and like I got my boy

50:03

boy plays plays overseas working

50:06

out I mean just kind

50:08

of just pushing each

50:10

other, pushing each other for a

50:12

little bit from him,

50:14

bit um. him yeah and so it's just

50:16

just so much better to have a

50:18

group dynamic to that to that Do

50:21

you like do alone alone or you prefer

50:23

lifting with somebody else, especially in the

50:25

summertime? especially in the summertime can live

50:27

by myself myself well a I have

50:29

a a strength guy I think was big from

50:32

big for my career, because at the because

50:34

beginning I would just do it by

50:36

myself by myself and like some days like, like yeah

50:38

you might take a little slack

50:40

you having someone there to push

50:42

you to correct you and whatnot,

50:45

but I have like a I have like

50:47

a friend or something, it's it's always

50:49

better to that was was definitely the

50:51

thing I that struggle with most. The weight room

50:53

and room I bought into it too, but like

50:55

it too to invest in had to

50:57

invest somebody full some time and or just like a

50:59

buddy that will go through the go through

51:01

the lifts with you. not the fun just

51:04

not the fun part, the Is that the competitiveness that

51:06

Is that where that jumps out is having

51:08

someone there that you that you can basically like

51:10

be like to a certain To a

51:12

certain extent. know about competitive, but it's of holds

51:14

you accountable, you I guess. think

51:16

in that sense. in that sense. Yeah, because It's

51:18

not like it's like when you're working out,

51:20

and it's the game, you you know, you

51:22

love the game, but it's the game you room

51:24

isn't that game but like the stuff, but isn't that

51:26

something you need to do. And I

51:28

feel like what you said, you accountability, and

51:31

making sure you're getting all your reps

51:33

in, doing the exact sure you're asked. all

51:35

your reps Can you walk us through the

51:37

- what's being asked. court process.

51:39

the the half court process? lot of

51:41

luck. of I don't practice it. it.

51:43

And I haven't hit one this year. one this year.

51:45

20. So you don't So you don't practice at

51:47

at all? But you can you can definitely

51:49

tell, like. effect. Like every time

51:51

it's like the end time it's like the end three guys

51:53

will guys will just run the And so I feel

51:55

so I feel like his half court shots

51:57

have been a lot more difficult this year. year.

51:59

I mean I had a like a floater last

52:02

game at the Buzzer and like I crossed

52:04

over and there was nobody there and like

52:06

probably like three guys are running to Peyton.

52:08

It's just so much more game. Well just

52:10

like you've swung multiple finals games with it's

52:12

like at a certain point it becomes like

52:14

a bigger it becomes a bigger thing than

52:16

it probably actually is because it's every time

52:18

you do it's a moment. Yeah I mean

52:20

I mean I obviously went in and big

52:22

moments and Something like that, but I always

52:24

just think like I used to he used

52:26

to get irritated and kp said something to

52:28

me about it too But like guys not

52:30

taking them even if it's like three quarters

52:32

like they could swing a game because the

52:34

percentage Yeah, but like that shot could come

52:36

down and you win the game off that

52:38

like that's how I view it Yeah, like

52:40

you know, you made two in the finals,

52:42

but like just the whole year just the

52:44

the momentum swing that it comes from it

52:46

I mean even like game five like I

52:48

was in the tunnel because a tooth was

52:51

chipped and so I was headed back and

52:53

I just hear the crowd like explode and

52:55

I was just like what happened and they're

52:57

just like patent like it was like he's

52:59

unbelievable but like just that momentum that we

53:01

had going in I mean we were up

53:03

anyways but like it just seemed like oh

53:05

this is this is our time and I

53:07

mean he's I mean I think game two

53:09

or game one you hit like a buzzer

53:11

beater beater that kind of like like like

53:13

like Did the same thing for us? You

53:15

have one in the indie series, I think,

53:17

too. There was like a, there was like,

53:19

it was sort of building, or the Cleveland

53:21

series, yeah. It was like building up throughout

53:23

the playoffs. And so that's why it sort

53:25

of became a thing that everybody was saying,

53:27

you practice because it was, like it's one

53:29

thing for you to do it once or

53:31

do it like once in November and then

53:33

once in the finals, but it was like,

53:35

oh no, seven minutes before. The momentum has

53:37

completely shifted just by it. Like Steph has

53:39

done it for a while and I mean

53:41

we had one play where like they check

53:43

P. with like seconds left left

53:45

the end of the

53:48

half of the half and like they

53:50

guys here two guys here and

53:52

they leave JB -one on one like down

53:54

the post post so I'm like all

53:56

right I'm all right gonna

53:58

it there there but like we got

54:00

a foul off it and he made

54:02

made both free throws and

54:04

the I'm pretty sure they

54:06

almost booed like you you

54:08

could hear like a

54:10

noticeable like like oh like I

54:12

passed it like like not

54:14

so we got two points like 70 feet

54:16

from the from the basket.

54:18

checks He checks in

54:20

everybody stands up in

54:22

the crowd in the

54:24

garden and garden and uh He's

54:26

like back here I'm threw

54:28

it dinner like, oh, like. I'm pretty sure

54:30

you said, oh, I'm sorry, P. I'm like, we just

54:32

sure parts. Sorry, sorry, it's a moment, but I. Are

54:34

there any, got any, like, any weird shots sorry,

54:37

practice? Like, are there any, moment, shots you do

54:39

Are there any, of crazy shit that usually doesn't

54:41

shots you do practice? just is, I

54:43

think it's, I think it's about this with Luca before, some of, some

54:45

of just, kinds of crazy some of, that usually he doesn't

54:47

even end up using, just, but it just just, I think

54:49

it's just, some of it just for fun, but

54:51

it's also just, does it over and over again. just, you

54:53

have anything like that that you may not even

54:55

actually bust out? just, just, just, just, just, just, just

54:59

I mean, mean, not weird

55:01

shots, probably shots in the in

55:03

the paint or something like that. but I

55:05

don't don't know, Derek actually does that

55:07

that probably. Yeah, I do a trick

55:09

shot after every practice and so

55:12

and so just for fun. just for fun,

55:14

like just entertaining and and then now we got

55:16

to to get pretty creative, try

55:18

to find a new trick to find a

55:20

new lot of, that's a lot

55:22

of tricks. of tricks. know. know. We try

55:24

to like to like incorporate like it up.

55:26

sports. So now we find something creative every

55:28

time and like we Like we just have a

55:30

group that does it. of kind of just some way to just

55:32

have phone before. What's best one one recently? to do

55:34

this one where it's like a partner

55:36

and you got to hit the ball

55:38

to hit the side to half from the way

55:40

to the the way to you got to hit

55:42

it then you got to hit it Uh, the like the

55:44

ball into the hoop. hoop. So you're

55:46

you're passing it back and forth with the

55:49

ball the ball of, of. how big is the group?

55:51

Like what's Like me and Matt Reynolds is

55:53

always is the two, to the then it kind of

55:55

changes based on. changes based on all the

55:57

other coaches are doing. are doing. So usually

55:59

two to... 8 Eight people usually? It's gonna be

56:01

fun to try to keep this up. try the

56:03

next, like, five years, you're

56:06

like, next like five years. You're like, it's obviously some

56:08

year and, like, can't change now.

56:10

For sure. and like think B

56:12

does, like, just a lot, I

56:14

wouldn't say I think stuff, but, like

56:16

just a lot, I finishes around the

56:18

rim that you do pre stuff,

56:20

but like just like little just different stuff

56:22

with different steps you do, but

56:24

like pre-game or not necessarily

56:26

what you're going gonna do in the

56:29

game, game, but. Kind kind of just get

56:31

that routine and that rhythm. that

56:33

there a guy, a guy of you

56:35

have been around around from a professionalism

56:37

standpoint standpoint who about watching people, just

56:39

like watching and learning, who you learning

56:41

who you You feel like like don't even have to

56:43

be have you know, tutoring you, know just like you

56:45

how they move and you feel like you've picked

56:47

up stuff that you've added to your game in

56:49

like a really significant way. added to your game

56:52

me a really significant way everybody

56:54

for me like I take like Derek

56:56

Drew JB I mean I mean JB was just joking

56:58

about it. it Yeah. We were just in the Uh,

57:00

we were just in the hallway like I like, I

57:02

was asking him, said he's said he was practicing his left

57:04

hand shots or something like that, and I'm like. that

57:07

and I'm I was asking him about it and

57:09

he was like, I ain't it and gonna steal it. But

57:11

I feel like it's just, you because always trying to get

57:13

better, like. but I feel looking at everything as doing. you

57:16

know, always things to get does

57:18

like I'm well, I'm everything they're

57:20

might not be able to do it the

57:22

same way, that Dwight how can I implement

57:24

that? like I obviously be on the game and the

57:26

same in that certain how can I So. that.

57:28

want to add that. for me it can me,

57:30

it can be anybody, but. a lot of

57:32

great There's a lot of great players in

57:34

this league and they do a lot of

57:37

different things and it's learning and taking things from things

57:39

from. Yeah. He's always He's always asking questions

57:41

about, like, different things he

57:43

sees I try to take some stuff from him like,

57:45

he'll take some stuff from him, from you

57:47

say, I got that from you. so thing

57:49

think that's a cool thing about the

57:51

team there's so many talented guys, and you

57:54

can just learn so much from just watching.

57:56

but... I'll say probably the the one I'm the

57:58

most consistent is Al. is Al. Al's right. the

58:00

most consistent guy in the NBA, just

58:02

the way he takes care of his

58:04

body. A hundred percent. Unbelievable pro. The

58:06

reason why he's able to play so

58:08

long. Yeah. Like you say, it's consistent.

58:11

Good day, bad day. He's always doing

58:13

the same thing. It's amazing if you

58:15

go back and watch him in Atlanta.

58:17

Like obviously his game has shifted. Like

58:19

we've done episodes with him where he

58:21

talks about the three and things like

58:23

specific strategic things that he's done, but

58:26

he also is just like a carbon

58:28

copy. on the quay, he's doing a

58:30

version of the same, he's been doing

58:32

it, you know, since 06, which is

58:34

a crazy thing to think about. Like

58:36

just seeing the way he takes care

58:38

of his body and just, the way

58:41

he competes and just always about the

58:43

team and just having a guy like

58:45

that that's starting so much in the

58:47

league that he just is nice to

58:49

see every day that he just cares

58:51

about his teammates. What do you think

58:53

now having been around them for a

58:56

couple years and also, you know, one

58:58

with them? with Jason and JB in

59:00

particular, I think that people don't know

59:02

about them that makes them so special

59:04

that you feel like has stood out

59:06

to you just being with them every

59:08

day. Just they're hungry to prove that

59:11

they're the best players in the world

59:13

and it's like the one thing I

59:15

would I would say about the both

59:17

of them like they both want to

59:19

be they push each other almost because

59:21

they're super competitive but they're also both

59:23

trying to be that like top guy

59:26

without being it like in a bad

59:28

way but yeah you know what I

59:30

mean by that like I don't know

59:32

if you feel the same way but

59:34

they play every game unless obviously if

59:36

it's the injury that they just need

59:38

to take a take off but like

59:41

they love the game and they want

59:43

to they don't skip steps at it.

59:45

I would say like from like my

59:47

aspect is it's just great to see

59:49

like I almost say like in power

59:51

like guys like me paying like like

59:54

we got to go on or something

59:56

like They're like, don't hesitate, like, so

59:58

they, they, like, they're just, and like

1:00:00

they could be like some like some

1:00:02

stars that you hear about but I think they

1:00:04

just really do it. do like a great

1:00:06

job just empowering us to us to

1:00:08

our game and just having so

1:00:10

much faith and so in us. and trust

1:00:13

in us and really helps, helps for me

1:00:15

me I feel like I've taken

1:00:17

a big step because of of like

1:00:19

18 JB. Yeah I'm like I'm curious like, I'm

1:00:21

curious about that. We've done a we

1:00:23

did a a app with with. the summer

1:00:25

we've got a over the summer. We've been a bunch with

1:00:27

him sort of the last couple of years, but like... like

1:00:30

Even when you go back to his rookie

1:00:32

year, year, guy is just just always won. always won.

1:00:34

You know, it's like, I remember the games

1:00:36

in Philly games in it's like, they weren't supposed

1:00:38

to win weren't coming in and winning. win And and

1:00:40

they were sort of what I was like curious

1:00:42

about with the sort of what I locker room stuff.

1:00:44

And you guys only know your perspective, you

1:00:46

know, because you're only in your own locker

1:00:48

room, but know your perspective, there's something that those

1:00:50

guys do like, they've done since they've been in

1:00:52

the those has always led to winning. And

1:00:54

they're extremely talented, obviously, but there's also a

1:00:56

lot of really talented. winning. Guys name you're in the

1:00:59

you know, and so know, and sounds

1:01:01

sort of like what you're saying, sort of

1:01:03

like what both, they have the hunger

1:01:05

for is like it's but then there's also sort

1:01:07

of for broader, But then there's at

1:01:09

the team of like a broader almost like

1:01:11

macro a night the team to

1:01:13

get us you score in 20 a night is

1:01:16

in June, us a like in June

1:01:18

like doing that. I don't care, I don't

1:01:20

care like I did the the only mean so

1:01:22

much only means know, the sum of its

1:01:24

parts are not the sum of its

1:01:26

parts are not met I mean great great, they

1:01:28

do special things things in Joseph's all the

1:01:30

time like Like are stars stars and like

1:01:32

times like we need them to

1:01:34

be our stars them to be our always

1:01:36

step up and step up are also

1:01:38

times We're just making right making the

1:01:41

right it's just whether screen

1:01:43

setting the screen much attention Like they

1:01:45

do a great job with that

1:01:47

and so like helps us job with that and

1:01:49

so it just They're just giving us a

1:01:51

confidence to do our thing. us a you guys

1:01:53

feel to do our thing. Do you guys feel

1:01:55

winning. winning? There's an element of of being,

1:01:57

you know, know, going from the hunter to the

1:01:59

hunted. I

1:02:01

don't like to ever feel that way.

1:02:04

I've never felt that way in my

1:02:06

life. So for me personally, the mindset

1:02:08

is always to be the hunter. Yeah.

1:02:10

You know, feel like the Boston Celtics,

1:02:12

being as historic as they are, will

1:02:15

always be a team that teams will

1:02:17

look forward to playing. Doesn't matter if

1:02:19

they're bad, but playing in the garden

1:02:21

in that crowd, like it's a game

1:02:23

you look forward to. But that's a

1:02:26

mindset that. I think we have for

1:02:28

the most part, we're trying to be

1:02:30

the hunters always. Yeah, we just love

1:02:32

to hoop honestly. It's a big game.

1:02:34

Like I remember when I was in

1:02:37

San Antonio, like playing in the garden,

1:02:39

I was looking forward to it, just

1:02:41

all the history, the banners, and so

1:02:43

that was, and before I was there,

1:02:45

so I feel like everybody kind of

1:02:47

has that same, especially like West Coast

1:02:50

team that's only there once, like, it's

1:02:52

always a big game, and obviously we're

1:02:54

the chances, so it's even bigger. We've

1:02:56

talked a little bit about, you know,

1:02:58

just sort of the motivation to chip

1:03:01

on your shoulder that's come from your

1:03:03

background and like how that's driven you

1:03:05

to this place. You've never really been

1:03:07

an underdog, I would say, from a,

1:03:09

you've always been, you know, the best

1:03:12

player on one of the best players

1:03:14

in every team you've been on from

1:03:16

high school to college now to the

1:03:18

pros. Besides your competitiveness, which we've already

1:03:20

sort of like established, what do you

1:03:23

do? Do you have a thing from

1:03:25

a motivational standpoint that you will use

1:03:27

to just sort of like drive yourself

1:03:29

that you feel like you've taught yourself

1:03:31

over the years? Well, I feel like

1:03:33

I'm very like self motivated already to

1:03:36

always prove it, but I feel like

1:03:38

there's the days that are, you know,

1:03:40

harder or more of a struggle. You're

1:03:42

going through tough times and you don't

1:03:44

really necessarily want to get up in.

1:03:47

and go to work that day and

1:03:49

get better, but it's remembering the people

1:03:51

saying that, you know, I would never

1:03:53

be able to make it D1. It

1:03:55

would be too short, not a. athletic

1:03:58

enough. Once I got it would

1:04:00

say I would

1:04:02

never start. say I would never

1:04:04

start them wrong then them become

1:04:06

a a player at that level player

1:04:08

not being to not being a the

1:04:10

NBA and then once I make

1:04:12

it to the NBA, and then

1:04:14

never. make it to be on the it's he'll

1:04:16

never be on the court or he's you

1:04:19

know know, he's a liability on

1:04:21

defense. So I see everything and

1:04:23

and you clip it out. I used to have

1:04:25

a thing I used to have a thing we

1:04:27

like we joke around with like a a burn book.

1:04:29

but I used to write it down a

1:04:31

little bit. a And I don't like to

1:04:33

use that as that soul motivation, but I think

1:04:35

it's good to pull it out good to pull it

1:04:37

out you know, it are struggling days are struggling. I

1:04:39

see everything and. and it's definitely

1:04:42

motivating. to keep proving myself

1:04:44

right and those people Yeah, and those people said a couple I

1:04:46

saw a quote you said, I said a couple

1:04:48

of years ago. You said, I wouldn't be

1:04:51

in this position I am today without having

1:04:53

a tough mindset. mindset. a A lot of people look

1:04:55

at me, they say at me, they say I'm American guard. one

1:04:57

A lot of us aren't there so you gotta be tough

1:04:59

a bring it every day. It sounds like so you basically a

1:05:01

version of the same thing is like you need that. like

1:05:04

this is, it's basically a need that internal toughness or

1:05:06

you're not going to be able to sort

1:05:08

of like mentally, goals that I

1:05:10

mean it's not going to be or you're not

1:05:12

going to be a road like this to you

1:05:14

know there's lots of peaks and valleys and

1:05:16

through the valleys you got to be mentally

1:05:19

tough and road like this. definitely went through times

1:05:21

where peaks and was thinking in

1:05:23

college through the valleys. My beginning of of

1:05:25

my junior year that I'm like, I don't think this is

1:05:27

gonna work. this is going I definitely had

1:05:29

moments where I questioned it. where

1:05:31

I questioned it. And to next day, the

1:05:33

next day just keep getting better and better

1:05:35

at that, better and know. that, you know, day

1:05:37

you'll hit you'll hit diamond gold and

1:05:39

you'll break through. and Did you ever

1:05:41

have any of those in school? ever have any of

1:05:43

those in school? Like moments where you where

1:05:46

you you had like a you had like

1:05:48

a... A just like this isn't gonna

1:05:50

work this isn't going to think think has

1:05:52

it it. and Well,

1:05:54

not everybody, but, uh, have

1:05:56

a bad stretch a bad

1:05:58

stretch or a have bad game or it

1:06:00

was a big moment you didn't rise

1:06:03

to the case and like all right

1:06:05

now I need to get back to

1:06:07

work and so I think just that

1:06:09

consistency that we've been talking about this

1:06:12

whole time like it really is a

1:06:14

separator between guys that end up hitting

1:06:16

the goal like he was talking about

1:06:18

and guys that kind of fizzle off

1:06:21

and so you're gonna have highs you're

1:06:23

gonna have lows but showing up that

1:06:25

next day and trying to get better

1:06:27

and see what happens at the end.

1:06:30

What do you think 16 year old?

1:06:32

Derek and Peyton if you wish they

1:06:34

knew then that you know now about

1:06:36

all this. What do I wish I

1:06:39

would like tell myself? Yeah. Well, I

1:06:41

think I've gotten good at it now

1:06:43

and Derek was like, I can show

1:06:45

up with the same attitude and stuff

1:06:48

every day, but I think I'm great

1:06:50

at that now, but I struggled with

1:06:52

it before and I used to get

1:06:54

super down and I'd ride the waves

1:06:57

and and I think that hurt me

1:06:59

some years and and and and. If

1:07:01

I could go back and just tell

1:07:03

myself just to not be so affected

1:07:06

by certain moments, then I think would

1:07:08

have definitely saved a lot of a

1:07:10

mental mental days. Yeah, I think just

1:07:12

like, when you're 16, you want to

1:07:15

make every shot, you want to never

1:07:17

turn the ball over, but just understand

1:07:19

that basketball ain't a perfect game. Sure.

1:07:21

We just talk about it in luck

1:07:24

in the day, like the game of

1:07:26

basketball humble you. No matter who you

1:07:28

are. You play the game like it

1:07:30

is going to humble you and so

1:07:33

just having that mindset is not going

1:07:35

to be perfect Don't put too much

1:07:37

pressure on one shot and overthink that

1:07:39

one shot and just kind of trust

1:07:41

what you do trust your farm and

1:07:44

But yeah, I would say not not

1:07:46

be so hard on myself. Is he

1:07:48

the best athlete on the team? I

1:07:50

mean, I can't say I mean what

1:07:53

depends what what what you mean? Overall

1:07:55

athlete I can't say I can't be

1:07:57

sport Overall athlete well, you

1:07:59

classify you classify athlete not

1:08:02

gonna win a I'm not

1:08:04

gonna win a a a I mean, it's a good

1:08:06

question. I would say overall athlete would I would say over

1:08:08

athlete would be multiple sports

1:08:10

like a multiple yeah multiple not but not

1:08:12

know, you know, not high jump and you

1:08:14

you know, that you do do

1:08:16

at a combine. Yeah, I'd had the

1:08:19

I want it. It's hard to hard to say

1:08:21

because I don't know know plays, but

1:08:23

I'd definitely put myself in the top.

1:08:25

put myself in the pretty good at most

1:08:27

sports. at most Yeah, we played a the

1:08:29

other day the other day and I kept you on on

1:08:31

my team I had to put them on my them

1:08:33

on my the the most part, And they just

1:08:35

straight straight targeted in the game. They came in the team for

1:08:37

is not a tall person's is not a tall

1:08:39

purpose not it. Yeah, it's not. Do not have KB

1:08:41

a thing, do you have a non

1:08:44

have a thing, thing that you get like

1:08:46

chess or something that you get very

1:08:48

competitive about? chess or something I

1:08:50

don't necessarily do competitive about? I

1:08:52

don't necessarily against somebody, but I enjoy

1:08:54

playing necessarily do. stuff like that. that,

1:08:56

don't know why, know why, things like

1:08:58

that. things like that. not

1:09:01

anything competitive necessarily competitive. yourself.

1:09:03

Yeah out. I think just

1:09:05

I think just figuring out

1:09:07

challenges. I'd say Derek's probably up there probably

1:09:09

play him. could Every sport, play

1:09:11

baseball, football, basketball. basketball.

1:09:14

I'm not too great. I I'll be

1:09:16

pretty consistent like like, at

1:09:19

everything. What would your number have

1:09:21

been, been, you think? Baseball, I

1:09:23

I love baseball. I just just wasn't very

1:09:25

good. good. Like what's not

1:09:27

very good? good? Well, uh... You were small

1:09:29

at this small time, right? Yeah, and

1:09:31

so like... In the ground ball ground second

1:09:33

second baseman every time it's

1:09:35

tough to get get base, but uh, I

1:09:37

definitely, But get like,

1:09:39

like, obviously, I got bigger. so

1:09:41

I think think I... I got hit my

1:09:43

basketball prime. I would say my basketball prime later, so

1:09:45

would have hit my baseball

1:09:48

baseball prime late too. It's funny what if. It's

1:09:50

just like literally same growth growth you

1:09:52

just decided you liked it

1:09:54

better. it better. I mean I guess I

1:09:56

guess baseball is harder with what it entails

1:09:58

from a... I like baseball a lot, like I say... like

1:10:00

it was cold out there and then

1:10:02

like I didn't love that so yeah

1:10:04

it's tough choice basketball boy we talked

1:10:07

about this a couple weeks ago do

1:10:09

you have a favorite Joe quote or

1:10:11

a moment? God it was he said

1:10:13

some stuff recently that were I that

1:10:16

we talked he did a press conference

1:10:18

with talking about JB and he was

1:10:20

like yeah we we mumbled yeah it

1:10:22

was hilarious there was something else we

1:10:25

were just talking about that he said

1:10:27

that I thought was funny but I

1:10:29

mean it's just like he just come

1:10:32

I don't know if he like work

1:10:34

knows what to say in the moment

1:10:36

or like it just comes out but

1:10:38

like he's hilarious one of a kind

1:10:41

honestly he's he's incredibly naturally funny he's

1:10:43

funny there's a thing I saw I

1:10:45

was gonna I was gonna send it

1:10:47

to you the thing he did with

1:10:50

scowl on the TV thing today about

1:10:52

the five seconds. Oh yeah. Basically like

1:10:54

that's just that's like natural. Keeps a

1:10:56

straight face. Yeah, it's like natural comic

1:10:59

timing. Like he's not. When you think

1:11:01

of the New Jersey. Yeah, like them.

1:11:03

And they say Celtics. It's like a

1:11:05

constant it's a constant thing and it

1:11:08

just is like that's a there's just

1:11:10

a real skill in that. No, it's

1:11:12

I love listen to them. It's some

1:11:15

new every day. So. All right, so

1:11:17

for your app, for the next couple

1:11:19

months, your guy's goals, what do you

1:11:21

feel like your, I mean, statistically, it's

1:11:24

hard to sort of like top where

1:11:26

you're at right now, but what are

1:11:28

you sort of looking for in terms

1:11:30

of like your own personal growth over

1:11:33

the next couple months? I never necessarily

1:11:35

like to look at things statistically, so

1:11:37

I look at it as, you know,

1:11:39

my daily habits. And if I control

1:11:42

those things, the controllables, then it will

1:11:44

take care of the rest. And so

1:11:46

for me, it's just continuing my routines

1:11:49

is to not skip steps. Like we

1:11:51

get into Minnesota tonight, it's I make

1:11:53

sure I get my lift in, I

1:11:55

get my treatment in, and I'm eating

1:11:58

the right choices and just those. Little

1:12:00

daily deposits and just keep on that

1:12:02

path. I I think if I continue that

1:12:04

I'll do a good job do a good job

1:12:07

of helping this team continue to win

1:12:09

at a high level. a high level

1:12:11

He's gonna win six men the year.

1:12:13

year. Yes, we're going to we're

1:12:15

that into into existence Welcome

1:12:21

back to the draft with Jason Gallagher and

1:12:23

Trey Murphy presented by our friends at

1:12:25

at New Era in the jacket right now

1:12:27

wearing hat Which he is not sent to has not

1:12:29

sent to Jason yet but apparently

1:12:31

is coming soon Do you want to set up do

1:12:33

you want to set up the

1:12:36

topic for today you it. picked it

1:12:38

it's one of the best topics we've

1:12:40

done I think since we've been

1:12:42

doing the draft I think been doing the draft

1:12:44

I think simple we are talking about

1:12:46

the best about the life. in life

1:12:48

Could be sports, movies, movies

1:12:50

culture, food, whatever you

1:12:52

want. want. Period. Trey,

1:12:54

you it. start it. I'll go

1:12:56

go second, Jason third, snake

1:12:58

it. it. Wow, go first

1:13:00

this time. this time. Yeah, we're

1:13:02

mixing it up. Mix it up. All

1:13:04

about. right, All right, for my

1:13:07

first pick the the trio's

1:13:09

draft. I'm gonna gonna go bacon,

1:13:11

egg, and cheese. cheese. Wow. Great trio

1:13:13

right there. That's a good

1:13:16

That's a good I like I like it. is food

1:13:18

is essential to the body. body. So

1:13:20

you picked a great trio of food.

1:13:22

Good job. You know my mom, she

1:13:25

always asked me. And me. know, my mom,

1:13:27

Do you live to eat or do you eat

1:13:29

to live? I still wonder what the answer

1:13:31

to that question is on a daily basis. do you

1:13:33

It's great. live? you allowed to eat wonder

1:13:37

what the answer I

1:13:39

do, uh, non -dairy is on

1:13:41

a daily basis. It's great. was

1:13:43

going to say, we're

1:13:46

kind of cheese eat also

1:13:48

stuff? I do non-dary cheese. He's ruining his

1:13:50

own. own ruining his own. Dick

1:13:52

was great. If he

1:13:54

didn't say anything afterwards.

1:13:57

Yeah. afterwards. Yeah. right. right. I'm up. I'm

1:13:59

going. book and movie first I'm

1:14:01

going to go in the Harry

1:14:03

Potter trio Harry Ron Hermione biggest

1:14:05

maybe the biggest book of all

1:14:07

times at the Bible very popular

1:14:10

movie making a TV series three

1:14:12

had amazing chemistry bringing all kinds

1:14:14

of different looks together I was

1:14:16

worried someone's gonna take it so

1:14:18

I'm just taking it off the

1:14:20

board now sucks I hate going

1:14:22

last I am gonna go with

1:14:24

the heatles I'm just gonna start

1:14:26

there I think that when you

1:14:28

say the words Big Three out

1:14:30

loud, they are kind of the

1:14:32

first thing that comes to mind.

1:14:34

So I'm going to go with

1:14:36

them for my first pick and

1:14:39

for my second pick. I'm going

1:14:41

to go with, I'm a Star

1:14:43

Wars fan, so I'm going to

1:14:45

go with Luke, Han, and Leah.

1:14:47

Those are my, that's my next

1:14:49

pick. He knows the first pick.

1:14:51

I mean, it's interesting. They had

1:14:53

to go. They had to be

1:14:55

in the conversation. Is that

1:14:57

what's your who's your actually I'm

1:15:00

never mind I'm not gonna ask

1:15:02

us because you may pick them.

1:15:04

Okay. I like both those picks

1:15:06

Would I'm gonna would not be

1:15:08

my NBA selection, but actually I'm

1:15:10

gonna take my NBA selection right

1:15:12

now Because I'm worried Trey's gonna

1:15:14

take it. I'm going Michael Scottie

1:15:16

Dennis Just rolls right off the

1:15:19

tongue doesn't Michael Scottie Dennis baby

1:15:21

That's okay. I got a pick

1:15:23

a year 97 bulls. It's good

1:15:25

so my turn now and I

1:15:27

get two pigs so for my

1:15:29

first pick I'm gonna go rock

1:15:31

paper scissors ultimate ultimate game right

1:15:33

there you know settles a lot

1:15:35

of battles a lot of conflict

1:15:38

and then decide you know great

1:15:40

decisions off of this and tie

1:15:42

breakers that's true um from my

1:15:44

third pick I'm gonna go Ed

1:15:46

Ed and Eddy yeah yeah yeah

1:15:48

yeah I know I just I

1:15:50

was just old enough to actually

1:15:52

be able to watch it so

1:15:54

I know you guys are probably

1:15:56

in college. when came

1:15:59

out or something,

1:16:01

but. but... I'm not that old. I

1:16:03

I'm not that old. did Ed Ed and

1:16:05

Nettie come out? I have and Eddie come out? I have

1:16:07

no context for this. It was definitely when I

1:16:09

was in high school. in high Because I used to watch

1:16:11

it. I used to watch it. I wasn't

1:16:14

Ed, Ed, I -ed watching Ed, Ed, Ed, in

1:16:16

college. I college. have a TV in

1:16:18

you really like really Try Ed

1:16:20

Nettie, Troy, or is the There's one

1:16:23

of those things It's one of those things where

1:16:25

I was. It's just like like and

1:16:27

I like My List TV a

1:16:29

lot. I like mindless TV a lot.

1:16:31

Okay. I think you I think your

1:16:33

first two. your one,

1:16:35

I'm a little bit. one

1:16:37

feels like the Google machine

1:16:39

popped up. feels like the for the

1:16:41

next machine right. up. That's think

1:16:43

for my third pick. two.

1:16:46

All go I I'm gonna go to

1:16:48

the my third pick, I'm gonna go

1:16:50

music. I'm gonna go to

1:16:52

the Supremes. my favorite It's

1:16:54

probably my favorite

1:16:57

trio I've Bro Actually I'm actually

1:16:59

what's funny is I'm taking I can't take

1:17:01

it back I got funny is stick with I can't

1:17:03

take it back not I gotta stick with

1:17:05

it, but it's not sure I should not

1:17:07

have picked them because nobody else was

1:17:09

going to And I going to picking that no one

1:17:11

was picking that as also if you're gonna do music,

1:17:13

there's so many many No, there's not, so. There's not, There's

1:17:15

not for, so many not there's not that

1:17:17

many another another trio. I trios should have picked

1:17:19

can we can get to at the end

1:17:22

still there. No, don't say it. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say

1:17:24

it. I mean, the gonna say are, it's I first ballot rock

1:17:26

and roll hall of fame. Like, first a bad, rock and roll hall of

1:17:28

fame. Like, it's not it's not a bad first ballot, it's

1:17:30

first ballot, one of first ballot, it's first ballot, it's

1:17:32

first ballot, it, it's first ballot, it, of

1:17:34

all ballot, it's I just

1:17:36

I probably it, it's first in

1:17:38

this it, it's first ballot, I'm drafting

1:17:40

it's first ballot, it's first ballot, it, it's first

1:17:43

ballot, it's first ballot, it's first ballot, it's first

1:17:45

ballot, it's first ballot, I'm sorry. Did you

1:17:47

you premiums when you were growing up? I don't

1:17:49

is to be honest. is,

1:17:51

to be honest. That's great. Okay. All right. I'm

1:17:53

sorry. I mean, I know who they are. Can

1:17:55

I do this? Try? Oh, yes, I do. Okay,

1:17:57

know you know the Supreme Court. Okay, well

1:17:59

then, yeah. Ask your mom about the Supremes.

1:18:01

Go downstairs after this and ask about

1:18:04

the Supremes. I'm downstairs, right? I'll ask

1:18:06

her. Go outside the room, all right.

1:18:08

You know what? I'm not even happy

1:18:10

with it, but we just got to

1:18:13

move on. I took it. You know

1:18:15

what, Todd? Because all of us are

1:18:17

going to pick things that are near

1:18:19

and dear to our hearts, so that's

1:18:21

totally fine. I'm just saying, like, we

1:18:24

just got past Christmas, when you look

1:18:26

at the most popular Christmas music, when

1:18:28

you look at, like, I don't have

1:18:30

all the numbers written out in front

1:18:32

of me, but the Supremes are like

1:18:35

picking Elvis in a draft. Like it

1:18:37

is a thing that it is a,

1:18:39

there's, it's a little dated, it's a

1:18:41

little whatever, but it's like, I'm not,

1:18:43

it's not a random group from like

1:18:46

the, like 1972 that I'm, I'm like

1:18:48

obsessed with. It's like a transcendent musical

1:18:50

group, but you know what, it's all

1:18:52

good. Okay. Okay. Well, I'm gonna go

1:18:54

with my, my food pick now. Gram

1:18:57

crackers, chocolate, and marshmallows. Yeah. I'm a

1:18:59

massive fan of Smores. Probably my favorite.

1:19:01

Go with that. Good pick. Do you

1:19:03

eat some more, Trey? I do. I

1:19:06

do a little bit of some more

1:19:08

than I can a lot. So I

1:19:10

can't even say anything bad about the

1:19:12

pick. Yeah, it's a good pick. And

1:19:14

then this one, I'm gonna go with,

1:19:17

I'm gonna go with, so I'm a

1:19:19

big wrestling fan, WWF fan, are you

1:19:21

guys? This is the pick for my

1:19:23

heart, okay? So it's NWO, which is

1:19:25

a wrestling group. Holkog and Kevin Ash,

1:19:28

Scott Hall. That's pretty sure. One, two,

1:19:30

maybe all are canceled in some way,

1:19:32

shape, or form that nowadays. Who doesn't

1:19:34

judge? Who is a cancel? But you

1:19:36

know what? Back then, they were, they

1:19:39

were rock stars, so shout out them.

1:19:41

I like it. You're mixing it up,

1:19:43

too. Greatest Madden combo in the history

1:19:45

of video games. And I would say

1:19:48

the most exciting. There's been a lot

1:19:50

of... great running back,

1:19:52

receiver, back trios. I

1:19:54

would put those guys

1:19:56

up at the

1:19:59

top. those guys up at the

1:20:01

if I'm picking football,

1:20:03

I'm going with

1:20:05

those guys. I'm show

1:20:07

on turf. I'm All

1:20:10

right. those guys great a show My

1:20:12

last all right my last two picks

1:20:14

first is going to be

1:20:16

Music be music trio that is gonna be

1:20:18

better than the gonna be that Tommy had,

1:20:20

and I'm gonna go with the pick that

1:20:22

Tommy had and I'm gonna go off, you know? a

1:20:25

long live take right know all right just

1:20:27

I just I just can't say

1:20:29

just keep just keep going. Yeah, don't. then

1:20:31

for my last And then one

1:20:33

of my favorite pigs pig, We're

1:20:36

gonna go one of Kenneth

1:20:38

Murphy. pigs, where I the original we're

1:20:40

gonna Murphy Jr. Kenneth then

1:20:42

Kenneth Murphy original, Kenneth Murphy

1:20:45

Jr., and then Kenneth You

1:20:47

see what I did there? See what I did

1:20:49

there? so. Yeah, So we see it. see

1:20:51

it. That big sucks. I I just

1:20:53

think that started off with off with two bangers

1:20:55

just got progressively worse He just

1:20:58

played him you just literally played

1:21:00

yourself out of contention in this

1:21:02

draft played yourself wait for what other

1:21:04

people say in his draft. Just wait, just wait

1:21:06

family is one of your say. You

1:21:08

the best trios of all time.

1:21:10

You as one of your picks is the best trios of all

1:21:12

time? You pick the Soprains, right? And nobody else is going to

1:21:14

pick that. I don't want to hear it. I

1:21:16

love it. I think it was

1:21:19

great. I love it. I you. I think

1:21:21

it was it was great. Yeah, look at the hat you

1:21:23

got on. just happy hat you got on. I'm

1:21:25

you did this because you

1:21:27

were smoking the two of us

1:21:29

smoking the just literally us the door

1:21:31

just literally opened the door. So gonna look

1:21:33

great on that graphic going to look great

1:21:35

on that graphic. Murphy Family is the right, I

1:21:37

got a bunch of options.

1:21:39

I'm not doing the music one

1:21:41

because I already did it doing

1:21:43

the music one because I I think it. I

1:21:45

one probably is going to lose me

1:21:48

this draft. draft. I'm going blow it with

1:21:50

this this because I'm actually back in on

1:21:52

back in on but I just, but it's one

1:21:54

of my favorite movies. And I think

1:21:56

that their chemistry is incredible together. I'm

1:21:58

going together. I'm going Ferris Beelers Day off. Ferris Sloan

1:22:00

and Cameron as my as well

1:22:02

as my fifth pick. You know

1:22:04

Jason you see what he tries

1:22:06

to do there he tries to

1:22:08

like soften the blow a little

1:22:10

bit like make it seem like

1:22:12

oh like this is such a

1:22:14

bad pick and then he gives

1:22:16

like a semi decent one so

1:22:18

then we're like you know okay

1:22:20

that's not terrible yeah you know

1:22:22

yeah I just like that in

1:22:24

the fifth round man I just

1:22:26

I'm very comfortable with where I

1:22:28

sit right I sit right now

1:22:30

I'm not gonna lie It's decent,

1:22:32

it's decent. It's decent. So I

1:22:34

was thinking about doing music, but

1:22:36

Tommy took the Supreme, so I'm

1:22:38

just kidding. Tommy, what was the

1:22:40

other music artists you were considering?

1:22:42

I think there's an argument for

1:22:44

Destiny's Child. There's no argument for

1:22:46

Nirvana? No, there is. I think

1:22:49

you can make an, I mean,

1:22:51

it's not my... Crosby stills, a

1:22:53

Nash, because of Neil Young. I

1:22:55

think you have to make a

1:22:57

distinction, this is my issue with

1:22:59

Destiny's Child, is as much credit

1:23:01

as you have to give to

1:23:03

the three of them individually. You

1:23:05

look at Beyonce and you probably

1:23:07

would put Beyonce's discography up above

1:23:09

Destiny's Child. And so that would

1:23:11

be my issue with him. Probably.

1:23:13

Yeah, but dude, yeah, but you

1:23:15

also picked Harry, Ron, or Hermione.

1:23:17

Like, you know what I mean?

1:23:19

Like, there's always a hierarchy in

1:23:21

a trio. Yeah, but... I don't

1:23:23

know. I don't think Crosby's last

1:23:25

young work because there's four. At

1:23:27

its peak, there were four. And

1:23:29

so that was the issue with

1:23:31

music is almost all the good

1:23:33

groups are for. Or the duo

1:23:35

is that break up. There's actually

1:23:37

not that many trios when you

1:23:39

go back and look at it.

1:23:41

Hey, yeah. If I were to

1:23:43

be true to myself, it would

1:23:45

probably be something like Blickwood 82

1:23:47

because of the era in which

1:23:49

I grew. I love, like when

1:23:51

they do tshirts. Uh, yeah, I

1:23:53

can't believe it's still there. I'm

1:23:55

gonna go with the father-son and

1:23:57

the Holy Spirit. Knock it down.

1:24:01

I think that wins me the draft then, right? draft

1:24:03

I mean, for some I mean for some people.

1:24:06

What? Trays like, Trays. That's the

1:24:08

play you make the play you make

1:24:10

right there? the the play you make

1:24:12

right there? there? You know, I respect it. I

1:24:14

respect it. you know, is similar

1:24:16

to the play that I the

1:24:18

when I You know, it's I talked

1:24:20

about Martin Luther play one of

1:24:22

our I made when I made the, when I talked about

1:24:24

I'm not gonna lie King

1:24:27

on one I love our family. I like that

1:24:29

pick better than Trey picking his own family. his

1:24:31

own I think that that that move, I

1:24:33

I think that that's a, you're, That's an

1:24:35

effective effective pander. Yeah, I went with the Republican you're

1:24:37

going to get a lot of people

1:24:39

into that a lot of people into that pick. probably

1:24:41

going to Jason's win the draft with

1:24:43

that pick, unfortunately, I hate to

1:24:45

say. that pick, we know who's coming

1:24:47

in last. We'll say that. to say. Well, we

1:24:50

know who's can't wait last, we'll Murphy I can't wait

1:24:52

to. Murphy, the Murphy trio? No. You

1:24:54

literally have a frame worthy head

1:24:57

on. That is tough. That is

1:24:59

tough. It's a cool hat.

1:25:02

right, Thank you Trey.

1:25:04

you in in later

1:25:06

this week later

1:25:09

this week. Rest up

1:25:11

that ankle. We will

1:25:13

be back soon. We're

1:25:15

going to the ground.

1:25:21

If you If you the old of the

1:25:23

three, you can listen can listen now by

1:25:25

joining by joining Wundry Plus in the on Apple or

1:25:27

on Apple Prime members can listen ad -free

1:25:29

on Amazon on Before you go, tell

1:25:31

us about yourself by filling out

1:25:34

a short survey at out a.com slash survey.

1:25:36

survey.