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got tipped off that... there's something going

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on with the Lakers and Mavericks. I

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got all the details of the trade,

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made one more call, I'm like, I didn't

0:51

even say on that call, I basically, is

0:54

this real? And the person's like, yeah, yeah,

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it's real. And I just remember, like, my

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hands were trembling, I had up to like

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300 text messages, and everyone with the same

1:02

messages, you get hacked, check your phone, you

1:04

got hacked, like everyone had the same response.

1:08

So,

1:21

Welcome to episode 19 of The Young

1:23

Man in the Three presented by our

1:26

friends at Wonderry Media and 342

1:28

Productions. We have Mr. Camp Johnson

1:30

in the building, Mr. Kenny Beecham

1:32

in the building, and we had

1:34

a special appearance for Mr. Shahm

1:36

Shrania who sent out 19 tweets

1:38

during the interview and now is

1:40

now rushed off. Still trying to

1:42

figure out his screens. God knows

1:44

where, but we have a great

1:46

hour-long conversation we had with him

1:48

as well, live from the west

1:51

side of Chicago. This is your guy's

1:53

first time meeting, which I'm hyped about. Yeah,

1:55

yeah. This has been a long time coming

1:57

because you guys are wired like exactly the

1:59

same way. of hopefully many, many of these,

2:01

many of these crossovers. I wanted to

2:03

just, we get into a lot of

2:05

different topics, you know, with the four

2:08

of us. The one thing I wanted

2:10

to hit, sort of real quick before

2:12

we get to the longer conversation with

2:14

you, Kenny, just because we were talking

2:16

about in the car, is your thoughts

2:18

on some of this MVP discourse. Because

2:20

there's been a lot of it, and

2:22

we got two really good options, and

2:25

I know there's a right answer, so

2:27

I'm just curious. Usually don't call a

2:29

fight this early. You know, I think

2:31

both of these do is we saw

2:33

the odd shift from day to day.

2:35

You know, you had the 30, 20,

2:37

20 game from from yoke, and then

2:40

they go against OKC and, and she

2:42

drops 40, then it's back on shea,

2:44

and then they have the rematch, and

2:46

then yoke has 38 in the remat,

2:48

so it's now it's back on yoke.

2:50

I feel like we might yo-yo the

2:52

entire way. If you ask me today,

2:54

the season, the season, Okay, I think

2:56

Malone made a really good point that

2:58

if you just take faces away, put

3:00

the numbers up, put the impact up,

3:02

it's really, really hard to debate against

3:04

Yolkich. But I think the two things

3:06

that are going against him are one,

3:08

vote fatigue, which we can't deny is

3:10

a thing in professional sports. Two is,

3:12

Shea is a point guard on arguably

3:15

the league's best team having a historical

3:17

season statistically. So when you compare the

3:19

two, do statistics even matter. that much?

3:21

Or is it like, can you, is

3:23

there some credence given to just, not

3:25

that Yokech doesn't have the impact, because

3:27

he obviously does, but is there some

3:29

credence given to that impact in the

3:31

manner in which Shea does it and

3:33

how it contributes to his team success

3:35

overall? Do you think a, or how

3:37

much of a factor do you think,

3:39

do you think the thunder of the

3:41

youngest team in the NBA? You know,

3:43

they have the best record in the

3:45

West by five or six games or

3:47

whatever it is right now. They've had

3:49

a lot of injuries. You know, this

3:51

hasn't been a team that's been, you

3:53

know, fully healthy all year. They're incredibly

3:55

deep. They've always had a great job

3:57

putting that roster. But just where they

3:59

are. What he's done over the last

4:01

two years in terms of like, this

4:03

is not, you know, a four and

4:05

a five seed making this comp. This

4:07

is the, you know, if the season

4:09

ended today, that's probably the favorite to

4:11

go to the finals out of the

4:13

West. And so that when you look

4:15

at where this roster was a couple

4:17

years ago, how much did that matter?

4:19

I think it should matter a lot.

4:21

I do. And I think that's part

4:23

of the point I was trying to

4:25

make is that like he. While they

4:27

have a really talented roster, he is

4:29

the engine that makes him go and

4:31

he has elevated them to this level.

4:33

Like, MVP is the most valuable player

4:35

and both of them have a very

4:37

legitimate case, but Shea's been great this

4:39

year. What's your perspective? I've heard this,

4:41

you know, we've talked a little bit

4:44

on the show, but we haven't done

4:46

this with Kenny. Your perspective, you've got

4:48

a scout for both those guys. You

4:51

just played the Thunder a couple weeks ago.

4:53

What are you looking at with those two

4:55

players? In terms of how we can stop

4:57

them? You're not going to stop them fully.

5:00

How we can slow them down? How you

5:02

are going to approach guys like that and

5:04

how they control the game. I think for

5:06

us, the strategy against Shea was just get

5:08

the ball out of his hand as much

5:11

as possible and hope that in that process

5:13

he gets frustrated. You know, hope that he

5:15

wants to just, you know. maybe try to,

5:17

you know, make it harder for him to

5:19

get 20 and see if that adds a

5:21

little bit of perturbations to their team and

5:24

disrupt their rhythm and their chemistry. They scored

5:26

a lot of points on us and, you

5:28

know, we kept it kind of close. We

5:30

had a good fight with them. It was

5:32

a great game. Yeah, we were up and

5:35

we were winning. We had some success, but

5:37

ultimately didn't come with the win, but I

5:39

think that was our idea was just, he's

5:41

very good at controlling the pace of the

5:43

pace of the pace of the game and

5:46

manipulating and manipulating and manipulating and manipulating and

5:48

kind of get into his spots really whenever

5:50

he wants. So our idea was just let's

5:52

make it hard on him. And I wouldn't

5:54

be surprised if that's like the approach come

5:56

post-season as well. Like if you think about

5:59

what happened last year when they went up

6:01

in that Dallas series, Shea was still Shea

6:03

with some of the others around. him were

6:05

able to pick it up as much as

6:07

you would want them to and they were

6:10

what two shots away from winning a series

6:12

and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the

6:14

approach because J-dub is phenomenal but if you're

6:16

an opposing coach I would assume you'd rather

6:18

the ball be in his hands versus with

6:20

Shea yeah and I'm curious to see what

6:23

coach Mark Dayton all does as far as

6:25

like getting Shea going without the ball if

6:27

that is the approach that the opposing coach

6:29

is gonna do. Yeah it seems like it

6:31

would make sense would be to like... kind

6:34

of forced the roster as a whole to

6:36

beat you. You know, and I think that's

6:38

what a lot of playoff basketball does, but

6:40

I'm very interested to see how these strategies

6:42

develop. Is 30-2020 just as crazy as it

6:44

seems? Even more crazy than you think, which

6:47

is why it sounds crazy. I'm sitting here

6:49

and I'm trying to make an argue contrary

6:51

because realistically, what he's been able to do,

6:53

he had a triple, did he have a

6:55

triple double them each half? It went to

6:58

overtime. So someone did the math and overtime

7:00

it was a triple double was its own

7:02

and the first half was its own. Yeah,

7:04

like Guys, I played in a lot of

7:06

NBA games like I believe and just 20

7:10

rebounds and 20 assists like I'm trying

7:12

to get that in two. You know,

7:14

you're a very eloquent guy. You don't

7:16

have a lot of words to describe

7:18

assistant a week in two weeks. No,

7:20

I mean, it's crazy and he does

7:22

it effortlessly. No, I mean, it's crazy

7:24

and he does it effortlessly. Which might

7:27

work against him, honestly, like it does

7:29

it so effortlessly, like nonchalant, just like

7:31

I could do it again, you know,

7:33

but it doesn't get enough attention for

7:35

sure. because they both, just like, they

7:37

both keep, we obviously had a great

7:39

weekend with the two of them, but

7:41

they both keep upping their case, you

7:43

know, and so I agree with you,

7:45

Kenny, it's like, let it, let this

7:47

play out a little bit. I don't

7:49

know why it's March 12th today. I

7:51

don't know why we need to decide

7:53

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7:55

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34:31

the Lakers too, and Max and Cleaver, and

34:33

I'm like, I'm picking all these pieces

34:35

apart, and I'm like, what's the trade?

34:37

Like, what is going on here? And by

34:39

the time I got to the fourth and

34:42

fifth person, I got all the details of

34:44

the trade, made one more call. I didn't

34:46

even say on that call. I basically

34:48

like, is this real? And the person's like,

34:50

yeah, yeah, yeah, it's real. And obviously,

34:53

my hands were shaking. You know, you

34:55

had to make sure like every detail

34:57

was right. You had to make sure

34:59

there was no typo. And I

35:01

just remember like my hands were

35:03

trembling. I didn't have a graphic

35:05

to go with it because it

35:07

was so sudden like you don't

35:09

even you don't have time to prep

35:12

for it. It's not like you make

35:14

a Lukadonchich graphic beforehand.

35:17

You don't even know. And so by the

35:19

time I heard about it to the time

35:21

I put it out. My phone was a mess.

35:23

I had up to like 300 text messages. I

35:25

was going to say, who'd you answer? I answered

35:27

five people on phone calls. Texts, I couldn't

35:29

because it was too many. Literally up to

35:32

300 messages. And everyone with the same messages.

35:34

You get hacked, you get hacked, check your

35:36

phone, you got hacked. Everyone had the same

35:38

response. People were like, are you OK? Did

35:41

something happen? Who took your phone? Because everyone

35:43

knows. I mean, I have my phone on

35:45

me all the time. The no graphic part

35:47

is probably why most people thought you were

35:49

hacked. Because usually there's a graphic with these

35:52

trades. Someone's like, post a video of yourself.

35:54

I think to make sure they can know

35:56

you're alive. Yeah, like I got so many

35:58

crazy text messages. And I responded

36:01

to like five people on calls. One

36:03

was a sports center late night. producer

36:05

Tom to Cordy because I know he

36:07

called me like three times and I

36:09

saw his third one because it was

36:11

like back to back to back to

36:13

back calls by the third call I'm

36:15

like oh shit I should probably pick

36:17

up his call because he's probably wondering

36:19

is this real right for us to

36:21

talk about on air so I picked

36:23

up his call Pat McAfee's another guy

36:25

he was he hit me up a

36:28

couple times I responded to take his

36:30

call on my Mac because my phone

36:32

literally was like hot it was just

36:34

fucked up but so is there I

36:36

know in general the SBN there's like

36:38

a there's a fact check process before

36:40

you put anything out there just to

36:42

you know. Yeah. Was there did the

36:44

fact checkers where they like are you

36:46

like with something like this and I

36:48

want to get your guy's perspective about

36:50

where you were but like was something

36:52

like this it's so crazy that it

36:55

comes so out of nowhere that it

36:57

almost feels like a thing that like

36:59

even an objective fact checker is kind

37:01

of like I think people even even

37:03

to that point like internally were like

37:05

what but. Yeah, I mean, the right

37:07

people that needs to know that it

37:09

was verified, new was verified, but I

37:11

mean, I'm sure they were still like,

37:13

wow, that's epic. I was sending Discord

37:15

with the guys. We had just watched

37:17

the game that he referred to. And

37:19

my boy, Mike, he's a Lakers fan,

37:22

he referred to. And my boy, Mike,

37:24

he's a Lakers fan. And I think

37:26

he's a Lakers fan. the graphic is

37:28

usually the thing you see the dear

37:30

breaking news dear a fox train and

37:32

then it's a graphic with it this

37:34

was an ever graphic okay he's probably

37:36

hacked it happens I just got hacked

37:38

like two weeks before that and I

37:40

know the process is crazy it's probably

37:42

hacked no big deal let's let's keep

37:44

doing we're doing and this might say

37:47

check Instagram you had to picture up

37:49

and maybe maybe sports center they had

37:51

an Instagram picture I we like oh

37:53

this is like the the real deal

37:55

but I'm still spamming your Twitter account

37:57

like put of it I need you

37:59

visually to say even though I said

38:01

to me it's like I said yes

38:03

this is really I was trying to

38:05

like but even a hack to say

38:07

yes this is real I know it's

38:09

funny though because you've never said that

38:11

about any you never had any other

38:14

I don't think I ever will have

38:16

to I think that was the one

38:18

that's gonna be a standalone for a

38:20

while we're on the plane we had

38:22

just finished a game we're on the

38:24

plane and you know the first little

38:26

alert comes through and and and we

38:28

like it's like silent like I said,

38:30

what, what? And then somebody like, no,

38:32

that's not real. Like, he's hacked. And

38:34

just saying, he's hacked. And people are

38:36

like, no, no way, this sounds real.

38:38

So like we keep people going to

38:41

Twitter to check different sources to check

38:43

this, to check that. And it was

38:45

just like a definite moment of disbelief

38:47

where you're just like, huh? Yeah. Like,

38:49

and we had no clue. Like, who

38:51

would have even thought this was on

38:53

the table? like you could dream up

38:55

a thousand scenarios, Luka for AD would

38:57

not have been on that in terms

38:59

of the trade deadline. So like it

39:01

just makes me ask you like what

39:03

is your gut reaction in that moment

39:05

where like do you have a chance

39:08

to like kind of sit there and

39:10

be like the ramification that this will

39:12

have or you just in like go

39:14

mode like check source check source check

39:16

source send tweet. I'm in go mode

39:18

for sure. And then, you know, after

39:20

I put the tweet out, respond to

39:22

a few people that had to respond,

39:24

it was like, I had to figure

39:26

out what's, what the why, the when,

39:28

the how, like all the details behind

39:30

it, because I had to go on

39:32

sports center like 20 minutes later and

39:35

talk about the trade, and talk about

39:37

the trade. And like the fact that

39:39

no one knew about it, the why,

39:41

the when, the how, like all the

39:43

details behind it, because I had to

39:45

go on sports center, like 20 minutes,

39:47

like 20 minutes, like 20 minutes, like

39:49

20 minutes, like, like, like 20 minutes,

39:51

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

39:53

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

39:55

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

39:57

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

40:00

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

40:02

like, like, like, like, like, when I

40:04

was on the flight to Bristol, I

40:06

moved my flight from the morning flight

40:08

to an afternoon flight, that I was

40:10

like reading all the comments. And I

40:12

was like reading all the reactions, I'm

40:14

like, oh wow. Because I remember I

40:16

look back at my first ESPN hit

40:18

that I did at like, whatever it

40:20

was, like almost midnight my time, and

40:22

I said, this is one of the

40:24

biggest trades in recent history in the

40:27

NBA. And I was looking at the

40:29

reaction, I'm like, this is the biggest

40:31

history. I don't know why I said

40:33

one of, I think I was still

40:35

trying to process in the moment. Like

40:37

you don't have time though. You got

40:39

to get to work. No time. Yeah.

40:41

Kenny, I have a question, I don't

40:43

think I talked to you about this,

40:45

I have a question for you, but

40:47

the aftermath of this. What's your sort

40:49

of feeling on the visceral. Dallas fan

40:51

reaction. I think it's all warranted, man.

40:54

I have a couple of guys who

40:56

were previously MAFS fans in my life.

40:58

One of them just announced his fan

41:00

of completely like a week after. It's

41:02

like he took a week to figure

41:04

out if he wanted to be a

41:06

MAFS fan anymore and ended up being

41:08

no. And I think it was when

41:10

Quinn Grimes dropped 44 and he was

41:12

like, nah, I can't support the same

41:14

anymore. They traded two two-two. That was

41:16

the one time, am I a fan

41:18

of them? I was like, I don't

41:21

know if I can support this team.

41:23

Whole different thing, because Derek Rose was

41:25

coming off two big injuries. He hadn't

41:27

really played as much. We talked about

41:29

Lukadontas, who still, one of the top

41:31

three players in the world. And I

41:33

completely understand how they feel, because for

41:35

us, sports is entertainment, obviously, but it's

41:37

also like life in a way. I

41:39

know it's your life, because you literally

41:41

playing it. For the fans, there's nothing

41:43

more exciting than to see your favorite

41:45

team be successful. And for them to

41:48

be coming off a finals run, and

41:50

they make this dramatic of a change,

41:52

I can completely understand the protesting, I

41:54

can completely understand everything that they did,

41:56

and I think it was all warranted,

41:58

honestly. And it feels bad because Anthony

42:00

Davis is one of the greatest players

42:02

ever, too. And I feel bad for

42:04

him because he's always gonna have this

42:06

lens on him that's like he was

42:08

a part of the Lukatray. And I

42:10

don't think he'll ever be really appreciated

42:13

by the Mass fans for that reason

42:15

alone, just because he's so closely attached

42:17

to Luka, who is, I mean, in

42:19

his seven years, we can say he's

42:21

the second best maverick of all time,

42:23

only behind Dirk. So I feel bad

42:25

for AD, but I understand all. all

42:27

of the Fando, man. I really do.

42:29

What do you think? One, I think

42:31

it highlights from a bird's eye view

42:33

a huge part of the NBA, where

42:35

that how many leagues could players being

42:37

traded make that many people denounce their

42:40

fandom to a team? You know what

42:42

I mean? Or to have that type

42:44

of reaction. I don't blame them. Having

42:46

played there in the playoffs, having kind

42:48

of, you know, there was a, they

42:50

had just been to the finals and

42:52

it just seemed so random, your team

42:54

is in a fine place, like you're,

42:56

you know, like you can poise yourself

42:58

to make a trip back and you

43:00

saw a great playoff. So it leaves

43:02

them asking a lot of wise and

43:04

maybe these are wise that we'll never

43:07

understand, you know, maybe never understand what

43:09

went through. management's head to make that

43:11

trade. Maybe there's stuff behind the scenes

43:13

that it's not for us to know,

43:15

but the fans are, they aren't gonna

43:17

care about that. Like they lost somebody

43:19

that was really important, so I get

43:21

it. Like I can't, I can't blame

43:23

them at all. And I completely agree

43:25

with you, Kenny is just like, the

43:27

80 don't deserve that. He's going and

43:29

he's always gonna be compared and he's

43:31

never gonna be fully appreciated in Dallas

43:34

for that, for that, for that reason.

43:36

you know it's going to be on

43:38

him to kind of perform beyond that

43:40

and you know with kai re going

43:42

down it just kind of adds just

43:44

fuel to the fire and you know

43:46

you know you could somewhat understand it

43:48

right like you have a big your

43:50

defense and things like that but again

43:52

the Dallas fans you get attached like

43:54

Lucas bigger than just basketball right he's

43:56

clearly throughout all this people have seen

43:58

like this was a global story like

44:01

the magnitude of it but I mean

44:03

clearly for Dallas now they're gonna be

44:05

judged off the next three playoff runs

44:07

right this year you could probably scratch

44:09

off but the next three years after

44:11

this I mean that's really their window

44:13

to go in a championship so like

44:15

we might not know who the winner

44:17

quote unquote of this trade is and

44:19

maybe people already have it in their

44:21

mind who the winner of the trade

44:23

is but to me you know if

44:26

you're a Dallas fan like let's see

44:28

how this team could look and you

44:30

know what noise could we make. What

44:32

I'm curious about and we can't make

44:34

this judgment now we probably can't make

44:36

it for you know three or four

44:38

years but I do wonder whether it's

44:40

going to change the scope of how

44:42

teams make these decisions the comp that

44:44

I've made to Trey last week was

44:46

In a weird way, even though it

44:48

wasn't a trade, it was for agency,

44:50

when Saekwan, when the Giants let Saekwan

44:53

walk, basically knowing he was going to

44:55

Philly, what that did to their fan

44:57

base. It made it even worse that

44:59

he goes and has that year and

45:01

wins a Super Bowl, but there's a,

45:03

when there's like a lack of care.

45:05

About the feelings of your fans and

45:07

the fans can kind of feel that

45:09

and even the fact this wasn't telegraphed

45:11

at all like it's very it's very

45:13

different if You know someone's you know

45:15

a free agent next year. There's been

45:17

all kinds of rumblings about you know

45:20

They want to go home or they

45:22

want to go somewhere else or whatever

45:24

it is and like it's like at

45:26

that point. It's like this is delaying

45:28

the inevitable You know what I mean

45:30

like like rip the band-aid off you

45:32

know some divorce happens separation separation separation?

45:34

You know, you look at people and

45:36

they're like, we spent, you know, all

45:38

of this emotional bandwidth, we also spend

45:40

all this money supporting this team and

45:42

it's like they don't care about us.

45:44

Yeah. So I'm just curious if teams,

45:47

they're still going to make, they're still

45:49

going to be doing stuff like this

45:51

all the time, but if they're going

45:53

to like have more of the thought

45:55

in their back of the mind of

45:57

like, oh, we can't just do whatever

45:59

we want with no regard for our

46:01

regard for our brand, you know, you

46:03

know, you know, It's just a very

46:05

interesting kind of phenomenon that we, I

46:07

don't think we've really seen outside of

46:09

the scale of just what the actual

46:11

on the court effect was. Yeah, on

46:14

a lesser scale, when you talked about,

46:16

you know, management thinking about the fan

46:18

base itself, again, lesser scale, I remember

46:20

when the KG Paul Pierce to Brooklyn

46:22

trade happened and how much those two

46:24

players meant to. Boston. Championship, finals run,

46:26

conference, finals run. Obviously fans weren't too

46:28

happy about it, but obviously it resulted

46:30

in them eventually having Jason Tatum and

46:32

Jaylon Brown. I think this trade is

46:34

just so different is just so different

46:36

is because you gave up the 26-year-old

46:39

for the 32-year-old. So, you know, you

46:41

can convince your fans if you're Boston

46:43

like, hey, these draft picks in four

46:45

years are going to be worth it.

46:47

A lot of times they don't end

46:49

up being worth it. That could take

46:51

him out of completely all of next

46:53

year. Like if you think about when

46:55

Jamal Murray got injured, he missed the

46:57

rest of that season and the following

46:59

season as well. So 32 years old,

47:01

33 years old, now our window is

47:03

pushed by two years. It's just gonna

47:06

be tougher to convince the fans of

47:08

that. And I think that's one of

47:10

the main reasons why. Even people that

47:12

can look at it from Birds Avenue

47:14

and say this roster is a good

47:16

roster and healthy, still can't buy in

47:18

completely because now we still have to

47:20

wait two more years to see it

47:22

at his peak. Yeah, I think the

47:24

other side of that, like you said,

47:26

is you trading younger for a little

47:28

older and it always seemed like Luca

47:30

had so much love for Dallas. Like

47:33

he never, he only, he only, outwardly

47:35

showed that he loved the city and

47:37

the fans loved him and it was

47:39

just like, it was one of those

47:41

things that you thought like, oh, I

47:43

guess he'd always be there. Like what

47:45

could, you know, what would be the

47:47

situation that that forces him out? So

47:49

that's a good point you make. It's

47:51

just that like. That's where the confusion

47:53

comes in, where you have somebody 26

47:55

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47:57

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or Apple Podcasts. And it's just, that's...

49:37

Very valid. Yeah. Can we talk about

49:39

the trade, their trade? Oh, yeah, but

49:41

the night, the night cam got traded.

49:43

That was also a late one. Late,

49:46

like 12, one in the morning. One,

49:48

West Coast. One by the time it

49:50

got to me. Or East Coast time.

49:52

Yeah, that was late. Yeah. That was

49:54

late. What was that like? And you

49:56

had just played Brooklyn the night before.

49:58

Yeah. So at that time. Kiree,

50:01

I'd say when we got to New

50:03

York, we're probably there two or three

50:05

days maybe, when we got to New

50:08

York, all the Kiree stuff was going

50:10

around, you know, and you don't know,

50:12

but you knew they were, and so

50:14

we're watching them, like, what are they

50:16

gonna do? We hear all these rumblings,

50:19

and since that had occurred, you know,

50:21

just being logical, you're like, okay, maybe

50:23

Katie's gonna ask out, you know. Six,

50:25

eight months before that, he specifically mentioned

50:28

Phoenix's destination he went to go. So

50:30

Michael and I looked at each other

50:32

like, just like, real quick, like, it

50:34

could be back on, you know? And

50:37

Kel is so goofy, man, he makes

50:39

a joke out of everything, but, uh,

50:41

we... In the back of our minds,

50:43

we knew it was a possibility at

50:45

that moment. We didn't know how likely

50:48

it could be. We didn't know what

50:50

our management would do. What their management

50:52

would do. We just knew that if

50:54

Kairi asks out and he gets traded,

50:57

that may lead to Katie asking traded.

50:59

And based on, you know, history, he

51:01

might ask to go to Phoenix on

51:03

our minds. We play in Brooklyn. Fine.

51:06

Then we travel to Atlanta. When we

51:08

get to Atlanta, the deadline is the

51:10

next day before the deadline. We hear,

51:12

actually we don't hear anything, I hear

51:14

maybe the slightest rumbling that the trade

51:17

could potentially be back on the table,

51:19

not enough to really alert the antennas

51:21

as the night goes on. And our

51:23

whole team is together, you know, getting

51:26

dinner and doing whatever. And so I

51:28

just didn't say anything. I heard it

51:30

and I was just like, you know,

51:32

it was 12 hours of the trade

51:35

deadline at most. Maybe, you know. 15

51:37

and I'm like just like well, we'll

51:39

see if sometimes it's gonna happen quick

51:41

and it's gonna happen fast So whatever

51:43

I get home that night I'm about

51:46

to go to sleep still haven't heard

51:48

anything. I'm like, okay, you know, you

51:50

never know, you know, okay, my phone

51:52

starts me and my little brother calls

51:55

me I didn't even know my little

51:57

brother calls me I guess you must

51:59

put out of tweets but I don't

52:01

know who got to at first at

52:04

that moment yeah You beat me to

52:06

it. Like you got traded. I'm like,

52:08

no way. Like, that's not the joke

52:10

to make. I'm in bed. But you

52:12

can tell everybody on our floor had

52:15

gotten kind of the alert at the

52:17

same time, because there's just a lot

52:19

of doors opening, closing, people in the

52:21

hallway. I called Michael immediately. I'm like,

52:24

bro, is this for real? He's like.

52:26

He's laughing too, he's like, apparently man,

52:28

I don't even know what's going on.

52:30

You know, he's always, he's very light-hearted

52:32

in these situations, which is just kind

52:35

of funny. But it just happened so

52:37

fast where it leaves you asking a

52:39

lot of questions immediately. Like, why did

52:41

this not happen before? It is 115

52:44

in the morning, the trade deadlines at

52:46

3 p.m.m. the next day, like, why

52:48

did it go all the way until

52:50

now? What was the... deciding factor, what

52:53

was this, what was that? Man, it

52:55

was a whirlwind though. Anybody who knows

52:57

about anything about these trades in the

52:59

NBA, we're on day eight of a

53:01

nine day road trip, like I gotta

53:04

go right to New York and try

53:06

to figure it out with a suitcase

53:08

full of dirty clothes. Best part of

53:10

it being is that I had somebody

53:13

to go with, you know, I know

53:15

everything, I'm not going through alone. But

53:17

what people don't get about these trades,

53:19

and I think there have been plenty

53:22

of players who have vocalized this before.

53:24

is that you don't get downtime, you

53:26

don't get time to go home, you

53:28

don't get time to straighten things out,

53:30

you are just, your life is moved.

53:33

Everybody that you've worked with, put sweat

53:35

equity into, blood, sweat, tears, all that,

53:37

coaching staff, fan base, four years I

53:39

was there, five years Michael was there,

53:42

gone. One night I'm getting ready to

53:44

play, watching my film, whoever was playing,

53:46

I think it was like a Dallas

53:48

Clippers game before. you know that was

53:51

just finishing up on TNT and then

53:53

in a moment everything all that just

53:55

gone so it's like people like I

53:57

think the trade deadline has become entertainment

54:00

And it's a unique thing for professional

54:02

sports, you know, the trade, the art

54:04

trade deadline being so, you know, so

54:06

viewed, so watched, people anticipating movement. But

54:08

it's just like when you put so

54:11

much into it and a tray kind

54:13

of sideswipes you like that, it's, it

54:15

leaves your head spinning and you have

54:17

to turn around quick is a thing.

54:19

Like we played it, we played in

54:21

a Brooklyn uniform two days later. And

54:23

it's just like I remember, I remember,

54:25

I remember, where we're in those basketball

54:27

uniforms I remember putting the uniform on

54:29

and it's just like it's real like

54:31

it just feels so weird you know

54:34

and man what a crazy time it

54:36

just flips everything immediately so with that

54:38

in mind you going through a once

54:40

I mean you were one of the

54:42

top names as far as trade deadline

54:44

go this year how was your mindset

54:46

going into the last day of trade

54:48

deadline season on that there's a world

54:50

where you might get shipped out to

54:52

somewhere else? Well, the last day I'd

54:55

say it was no different than the

54:57

100-200 before that. I'd say as soon

54:59

as Michael got traded to the Knicks,

55:01

I was on high alert. Every time

55:03

my phone rang and my agent could

55:05

have called me in and said like,

55:07

hey, how's your workouts going? And my

55:09

phone's ringing. This is the trade isn't

55:11

it? This is the trade isn't it?

55:13

All the way back to the draft

55:16

and I hear from this team I

55:18

hear from that team and I started

55:20

to hear so much different Intel from

55:22

okay it could end up here could

55:24

end up there that it just detached

55:26

me from the whole thing like I

55:28

got like I would like to say

55:30

like emotionally detached where I don't know

55:32

what's going to happen and there's so

55:34

many different outcomes that like I'm just

55:37

grabbed my popcorn and watching just like

55:39

everybody else. Put everything I can into

55:41

Brooklyn because I am still there and

55:43

Man when that trade down line was

55:45

winding down. It was like the most

55:47

aniclimactic thing. Yeah, it was just like

55:49

I'm not hearing anything and nothing's happening.

55:51

And so I took a nap, 3

55:53

p.m. pass, still didn't hear anything, and

55:55

it was just like, I'm still there.

55:57

It was funny, we were doing an

56:00

episode that night. With Duncan, right? With

56:02

Duncan. Yeah, I remember that. And I

56:04

didn't really think Duncan was gonna get

56:06

traded, but, um. But I just didn't

56:08

know. This has been an ongoing saga

56:10

and it's like, who knows, it's like,

56:12

it's like, it's like, with all the

56:14

stuff. It's like, it's, you know, it's,

56:16

it's great until it isn't, you know,

56:18

and it could happen in 30 seconds.

56:21

And so even Duncan was like, are

56:23

you sure we're like doing this tonight?

56:25

I was basically just like. I was

56:27

like, show up at 6 o'clock and

56:29

he's gonna call you or I'm gonna

56:31

call you if we're not. And if

56:33

you don't hear from us, it's happening.

56:35

And then we basically just showed up

56:37

and there was no. It's like I

56:39

said, it's like a polar opposite where

56:42

there is no noise in Phoenix until

56:44

the very last moment and then everything

56:46

flips. And then this whole experience from

56:48

June until until the deadline was like.

56:50

all nothing but noise, nothing but you

56:52

can go there, you're gonna go there,

56:54

you're gonna go there, like basically the

56:56

world telling you like you're gonna get

56:58

traded, it's just a matter of when

57:00

and where by the deadline and everybody's

57:02

saying you're gonna get traded, you're gonna

57:05

get traded, you're gonna get traded, you're

57:07

gonna get traded, and then nothing happens.

57:09

When you're when you're analyzing this stuff,

57:11

you're all gone, like it's a whole

57:13

different. team then went to the team

57:15

then went to the finals. So when

57:17

you're looking at when you're looking at

57:19

these things just for your for your

57:21

shows for whatever you're doing and you're

57:23

looking about them in retrospect do you

57:26

feel like like you are you're trying

57:28

to take a long lens from an

57:30

analysis standpoint right away or you kind

57:32

of just like let the thing play

57:34

out and see how it works. So

57:36

I have a couple different avenues that

57:38

I go down like one of my

57:40

channel is like an instant reaction thing.

57:42

The Lukatrate happens. I mean I fired

57:44

at my camera. before we knew all

57:47

the details, even before we knew it

57:49

was real, I'm like, I gotta get

57:51

to work. And then I put that

57:53

out and then two days later. usually

57:55

when I shoot the podcast. Okay, now

57:57

let's take it from a different perspective.

57:59

Here's why this scene could have done

58:01

that. This scene could have done that.

58:03

Here's how this might work. Here's how

58:05

this is gonna work. I like doing

58:08

it that way because I truly do

58:10

believe that there are people online. that

58:12

literally just want to hear other people

58:14

talk about crazy stuff that's happened in

58:16

the league and if I would have

58:18

waited a day or two I feel

58:20

like I would have just shrunk the

58:22

audience because everybody else was talking like

58:24

that video it's a full 15-minute video

58:26

it's like 1.3 million views and it

58:28

happened in like a 24-hour span mostly

58:31

and then the follow-up to that like

58:33

hey okay let's really talk about the

58:35

lucaturate that video didn't do as good

58:37

as one point whatever million, but it

58:39

also did very well, well as well.

58:41

I mean, I can't, I can't tell

58:43

you how many trades I saw with

58:45

you in it leading up to the

58:47

deadline or made videos about trades with

58:49

you in it. In fact, I think

58:52

I had a good feeling Cam wasn't

58:54

gonna be traded. Why you say that?

58:56

I think they valued you. I think

58:58

they value you a lot. Yeah, and

59:00

I was kind of catching wind that

59:02

like, you know, I don't know what

59:04

these packages are gonna be, but it's

59:06

going to be, but it's like, but

59:08

it's like, going to be traded at

59:10

the deadline either. You know, and I

59:13

was kind of in the same boat,

59:15

but like I said, I don't, I'm

59:17

never gonna think I have all the

59:19

answers, man. Yeah. We did an episode

59:21

of our pod before the season started.

59:23

It was the over under video. I

59:25

think the Burklenets over under was 18

59:27

and a half. And the main thing

59:29

I said in that episode was like.

59:31

I don't think cam is going to

59:33

be on the team for the entire

59:36

year. Like you said, when Michael got

59:38

traded, I think everything shifted because they

59:40

also traded for their own pick. So

59:42

in my mind, they're going to try

59:44

to bottom out as much as possible

59:46

to try to get the highest odds.

59:48

And then the season goes on. Couldn't

59:50

have expected Jordi to be that phenomenal

59:52

of a coach not knowing much about

59:54

them. And here you all are with

59:57

you still on a roster and competing

59:59

every single night. through the kitchen sink

1:00:01

as shade like a few weeks ago.

1:00:03

And I'm watching like nobody's really. defendant

1:00:05

say like this. And since then, we've

1:00:07

seen a couple other coaches do something

1:00:09

similar. So I guess just shout out.

1:00:11

Lakers, like I got their rights. Yeah,

1:00:13

I mean, I think our coaching staff

1:00:15

is not afraid to be bold and

1:00:18

strategy. And, you know, I think we

1:00:20

as a team were a little younger.

1:00:22

So we just, you know, we try

1:00:24

to buy into that and execute those

1:00:26

things. But like you said, man, it's

1:00:28

just, it's, it's unpredictable. It

1:00:30

teaches you so much about the business

1:00:32

of the league and about the game.

1:00:34

And, you know, I think the silver

1:00:36

lining of it all for me is

1:00:39

the learning experience, learning, learning under this

1:00:41

coaching staff, going through things that I

1:00:43

never really expected to go through in

1:00:45

my NBA career and being in positions

1:00:47

that are a little bit different than

1:00:49

ones I've been in in the past.

1:00:51

Like, brother so much learning experience that

1:00:54

I can gain from this season to

1:00:56

this point and hopefully from the rest

1:00:58

that like... No matter what, man, I've

1:01:00

enjoyed the process, because that's what it

1:01:02

is at the end of the day.

1:01:04

I've really enjoyed the process. Kenny, what

1:01:06

are your favorite stories around the league

1:01:08

right now? The Cavs are number one

1:01:11

for sure. I was bullish on them,

1:01:13

but I think they were going to

1:01:15

be this great. The Detroit Pistons as

1:01:17

a whole, for them to lose 27

1:01:19

in a row and now be not

1:01:21

a playing team right now, like, they're

1:01:23

going to have a real playoff series

1:01:26

regardless, is that one. I mean, I'm

1:01:28

not a Lakers guy. But damn, they've

1:01:30

been fun to watch. It's unfortunate that

1:01:32

Braun is gonna be out for a

1:01:34

few weeks. Those are probably my top

1:01:36

ones. And the last two weeks, the

1:01:38

bulls have been fun. So I'll take

1:01:40

that one too. I'll take that one

1:01:43

too. All right. We got a wrap.

1:01:45

Everyone here has got a crazy schedule.

1:01:47

I think before we close, I think

1:01:49

it would just be good for us

1:01:51

to go around and talk about one

1:01:53

thing we're all looking forward to for

1:01:55

the next six weeks. I think. So

1:01:58

trying to figure out exactly who are

1:02:00

going to be the playing teams and

1:02:02

who matches up against okay since it

1:02:04

seems like people, bad reports are not

1:02:06

really afraid of them in a seven

1:02:08

game series, I think that's one of

1:02:10

the most exciting things is like who's

1:02:12

gonna be a playing team, who's gonna

1:02:15

retain that six seed out west, and

1:02:17

who's gonna be hosting the four five

1:02:19

match-up. What do you think? I think

1:02:21

the role the playing tournament plays, like

1:02:23

there's gonna be teams that get bounced

1:02:25

early that, you know, obviously. especially in

1:02:27

the Western Conference like the Minnesotas and

1:02:30

we'll see if Phoenix can even make

1:02:32

it and all the pressures that exist

1:02:34

there and injuries always play a big

1:02:36

part in playoffs and all this. You

1:02:38

guys have a sleeper? Do you have

1:02:40

a Miami from two years ago? Nah,

1:02:42

I don't think so. I think it

1:02:45

is open though, but Cleveland's played so

1:02:47

well, they're not even a sleeper. You

1:02:49

know, like, you need, I mean, Detroit

1:02:51

maybe, you need a team that. I

1:02:53

do think Denver, even though the number

1:02:55

two see, they've been hovering around like

1:02:57

four or five a lot of the

1:02:59

year, they've been, you know, people down

1:03:02

at them at different points. I think

1:03:04

them and OTC, you'd think about, you

1:03:06

know, potential favorites in the West, along

1:03:08

with the Lakers and others. I've been

1:03:10

like him, Minnesota recently. I don't know

1:03:12

if I'll pick them to go on

1:03:14

a run like last year, but I

1:03:17

think Julius Randall since he's come back

1:03:19

from Miss injury, like a glove. I

1:03:21

think with Jimmy, the dimension he adds

1:03:23

and knowing his playoff acumen and then

1:03:25

how much you can tell already that

1:03:27

it's kind of unlocked made the game

1:03:29

a little easier on Curry. There, you

1:03:31

can't not take them very seriously. Is

1:03:34

there one guy in the last two

1:03:36

months you've played against or you feel

1:03:38

like maybe, you know, is not an

1:03:40

OMBA guy, but it's just come on?

1:03:42

Not necessarily. Not to stop my head.

1:03:44

I think, in my opinion. How

1:03:47

Cleveland's been able to balance their

1:03:49

big, like their roster, like it's

1:03:51

unique to today's NBA playing too

1:03:54

big, but they've really been able

1:03:56

to make it work. So like,

1:03:58

I think mobile is kind of

1:04:01

the key. his ability to guard

1:04:03

on the perimeter, his ability to

1:04:05

protect the paint, and his

1:04:08

ability to knock down shots

1:04:10

is going to be

1:04:12

pivotal to Cleveland's playoff

1:04:15

success. I think it's a

1:04:17

good way to close it

1:04:19

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