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stephenasmith Tommy.

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This was a real treat, and

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a fun one for us to do. Obviously,

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I've been on Stephen a show going

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on six or seven months now and

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have fun every time i go on and it was it

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was awesome to get him on our show yeah

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everybody knows stephen a

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be know you know if they know the

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of stephen a as the performer as character

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and it was really interesting for us to sort of unpacked

1:01

some of his background because

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, been at this a long time and and

1:06

he talks about of but the grind explains

1:08

the grind of you know why he is where

1:10

he is right now for sure i'm

1:13

a ride i think

1:15

a lot of our conversation and and

1:17

he has some background of this movie with

1:19

for tell the baxter and that during the interview

1:21

but a lot of our conversation focuses

1:23

conversation the relationship between the

1:26

athletes and media and

1:28

specifically towards the end the conversation

1:31

how that relates to day with

1:33

this sort of

1:35

momentum towards quote the

1:38

new media with stray mommy

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i coined of course i'm not stealing

1:42

dream on line and and

1:44

sort of we unpack a little bit how

1:47

that relationship is going to go were work

1:49

going forward and of course we talk

1:51

about first take idea we spend the first twenty minutes

1:53

of conversation talking about first taken

1:56

and it ended the the background of that show

1:59

my appeared

2:00

the on that show that stephen in a in a

2:02

relationship on that show in off

2:04

the show which is so we're

2:06

clear because it's literally

2:08

yesterday we recorded this ah

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cj mccollum and i called stephen a

2:13

out for some bullshit it

2:15

went viral today steven and

2:17

i get got into it on get up

2:19

with my greenberg yeah that that went viral

2:22

ah none of we'd have these disagreements

2:24

that happened with us on camera that none

2:26

of this affects the are personal

2:29

relationship at all and he's

2:31

someone that i've known since

2:33

i was maybe a player and obviously now

2:35

i know quite well of both

2:37

from being on set with him and on our conversations

2:40

offsets to hope you guys really enjoy this

2:42

it is funny it's funny how people think every

2:44

time

2:45

the right and we talk about this with him a little bit every time

2:48

you for disagreement it means that like

2:50

you hate each other here like through

2:52

their secrets of read it's just

2:54

as you wouldn't come back like likes to use if you'd

2:56

like you'd like our listeners and our viewers

2:59

though this value at this point if you hate

3:01

somebody you're not going to keep going

3:03

back and sitting across from mit have a lot of money

3:06

i get is not it's not realistic it's

3:08

not a thing that is is actually going to happen

3:10

so we that after it's voted

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for the reason why i'm glad that we had a mana to kind of

3:14

like dispel that though i totally agree

3:17

it i i've talked about this for number

3:19

of times because we you know we tend

3:21

to focus on our guests obviously

3:24

with the interviews but there has been times

3:26

within the intro were certain

3:28

things that have happened on first take have come

3:31

and we address the

3:34

and either i just i

3:36

have enjoyed that show so much in

3:38

i've enjoyed working for him and i'll say it again

3:40

which have said three or four times already on this podcasts

3:43

is that i have a deep appreciation for

3:46

how he has built his career i

3:48

have a deep appreciation for how hard

3:50

he works and i have a deep appreciation

3:52

for his talent that's not

3:54

to say that he has some god fucking awful

3:57

takes and he needs some somebody

3:59

disruptive

4:00

it is sometimes which which we

4:02

we talk about there is a it is

4:04

it is and i'm not going to step on the conversation right now

4:06

but it's boring if everyone is

4:08

agree with each other and it's boring if

4:10

somebody comes is low energy and he's completely

4:13

right about this and this isn't unique just two sports

4:15

television nobody wants to turn

4:17

on tv and watch somebody would like a mild

4:20

mild hazard like boring

4:23

john i'm on it all taken some you lose your

4:25

day is as ham it up and and

4:27

the you he's one of the best it's

4:29

the media world we live in a one note

4:32

ah we should have mentioned so

4:34

we are recording this on wednesday

4:36

ah about three at

4:38

three hours before game three

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so there are no notes on game three that

4:43

is because ah i will

4:45

be take my kids just gotta school i

4:47

will be taking them on a short little

4:50

vacation to celebrate the into the school year

4:52

we will be back next

4:54

week on monday with

4:56

a you tube lie breaking down

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games three and four so boot please

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go to subscribe to our youtube channel

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the other note i wanted to mention his we

5:06

have already recorded next week's

5:08

episode yeah and that is with a

5:10

hall of famer very

5:12

good episode been on here you're not getting

5:15

out isn't i thought well right now but very good

5:17

as a very good episode

5:19

thoroughly enjoyed that conversation so

5:21

we've got a lot of fun stuff coming up for you guys

5:24

and as always we appreciate

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you listen to his subscribe ah

5:29

and let's get to our conversation with ah

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us being personality us

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p in analyst us p jack

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of all trades jack of all trades the

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hardest working man and show business stephen

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let's welcome in stephen i was

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a man i don't mess of

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good this is a real treat because of

5:49

the last six or seven months

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i've been going on your show is and

5:54

now it's time for you to come on my show

5:56

have a debate yes it's

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you don't pretty good

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the yourself who is your first tv

6:02

impression of judah arm is

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interesting because jj

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automatically put your your heels

6:09

i've long admired jj redick as a player

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from his days player do but especially when

6:14

he came into the came b a because he was no nonsense

6:16

and if you are reporting you walked up to me you

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ask them questions ask would be respectful

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and professional but you also know just

6:23

wow look in his eyes if he looked at

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you like do have any idea what you're

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talking about you know he was one of those guys itself

6:30

you don't always respect the fact it

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with this it this body language was actual

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words he always came across

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as across straight shooter and as and are always

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respect that would ask

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we we all read twitter comments

6:44

after segments yeah we we try to get the

6:46

it's a it's interesting way to get feedback plus

6:48

and and i remember our early

6:50

on of a first you ah

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hits i did on your show there would

6:55

be a cop like stephen a snack and which is a back

6:57

of the south essex it was i ever in danger

6:59

of now being invited back as that was never

7:01

to it's amazing what people don't

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get about

7:05

about first take is a two hour debate show

7:08

and obviously i'm the face it a franchise

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now and you know they come

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to me and bosses come the me any put a lot of responsibility

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on my shoulders as so for me all

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i care about is that

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the honest and true an authentic

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which are perspectives obviously

7:25

be a respectful of everybody does all this

7:27

all i care about you know and to me

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what they were folks don't realize i want

7:32

people to disagree with me people keep

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forgetting i've been a journalist for twenty

7:36

years i've been covering the n b

7:39

a fourth quarter century

7:41

i'm an antagonist

7:43

it's by nature it's not like i'm

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not doing it for ratings on the i've always

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been this way when i go when i

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talk to a play or i talked to a team i talk

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to coach talked to general manager or

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owner a president of basketball operations

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i'm literally looking at them okay

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what should the

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this is a success tell me what your expectations

8:02

on whether it's about the team is the individual

8:04

tell me while whatever and then i'm a your

8:06

face or year law reminded you of what

8:08

you said because that's the standard an unholy

8:11

you i'm not looking it's you and armed jumping

8:13

to this conclusions i'm letting you

8:15

tell the stories and i think that are

8:17

i have a very unique approach compared

8:19

to most journalists are play

8:22

basketball certainly nominees god levels

8:24

but i play flow clara's big house

8:26

games who was allegedly his mentor was da

8:28

mclendon help integrate the sport

8:30

of basketball these are the guys that suited

8:32

meats and then my first job in the

8:34

business i was covered john cheney's it

8:36

and after that are covered larry brown so

8:39

i've been surrounded by the game

8:41

or involve of the game of basketball pretty much

8:43

my entire life and

8:45

they taught me how to look

8:47

at the gave from the standpoint

8:50

of understanding what you don't know i

8:52

don't challenge i don't go to play

8:54

a challenging their knowledge i

8:56

go to play is challenging the a willingness

8:58

to be honest about their knowledge i

9:01

don't go to jj redick think for one

9:03

second i know more than him what

9:05

i'll say is i'm a reporter and

9:07

i happened to notice any of mordor

9:09

what you're telling me so give it to me that's

9:12

entirely different which is why you'll see jj

9:14

redick smile and laugh and and all this other

9:16

stuff whereas if you got on wood another

9:18

pundits you might be might bit offended

9:20

because they're trying to act like they're know what you know

9:22

and i never do that

9:24

hi i'm a guy who chronicles what

9:26

i see a what you say in

9:29

which you show was i never think

9:31

for one second that i know what actual

9:33

participants now or we're going to get

9:35

into your background and

9:37

i want to talk about your i'm playing

9:39

careers well herb and i

9:41

made in the early the early grind cause i think

9:44

it is fascinating it as he gets

9:46

it i think portrays

9:48

you are with a sense of credibility

9:51

that may be some of your critics don't

9:53

give you enough credit for and want to get into

9:55

that but i want to stay on first take for seconds

9:57

because i'm a

10:00

we both read this article the new yorker just

10:02

about the changing landscape of how

10:05

our media works across the board and

10:07

it it it's not so much about

10:09

telling you the news when i was a kid you

10:12

i would watch sports center would come on the first episode

10:14

at six am the day bree run it through basically

10:16

noon and then strong man competition would come

10:18

off and now we're very much a twenty four

10:20

seven discussion debate chefs

10:23

ah the debate network the the

10:25

origins of first take the origins

10:27

of this embraced the bit did the debate

10:30

notion where did that come from where was that

10:32

sort of driving force behind had potato

10:34

for sect what happened was

10:37

skip bayless was doing first take

10:41

and they were doing it based out of new

10:43

york it

10:45

was cold cold pizza and

10:49

they had just a regular conventional

10:51

sports talk show where they had incorporated

10:54

debate for segment here are the a

10:56

with skip bayless a woody page well

10:59

years later they moved a couple years later they moved

11:01

it to bristol connecticut to the headquarters

11:03

of the as being called the first a taste

11:05

nave copies for steak and

11:08

then one of these days are got by the

11:10

name of jamie horwitz was an executive

11:12

here as here took

11:14

over first take for short period

11:16

of time he did a focus

11:18

group and the focus

11:20

groups say we don't want all that other stuff

11:23

we want debate a so

11:25

he made he took first take from a conventional

11:28

show and changed it into

11:30

an old debate format featuring

11:32

skip bayless and

11:34

that's when it really took off of course pardon

11:37

the interruption was already a play around

11:39

on his stuff like that but as it pertains the

11:41

first takes that ways real

11:43

origin cave from skit was doing

11:45

it with a potpourri of individuals arm

11:48

or for a few years i had been

11:50

gone from he has been over contract dispute

11:52

from junior off from our may have two thousand

11:54

and nine february two thousand and eleven

11:57

skip bayless was doing as they were first a

11:59

cabinet the labs choose to mail

12:01

hill raw parker and various

12:03

other people debating against them and then in two thousand

12:05

and twelve they weren't satisfied

12:08

with the numbers they weren't satisfied with the ratings

12:10

to revenue level of revenue that was being generated

12:13

skip bayless comes to comes an apocalypse

12:16

on and campus of is he has be

12:18

an abridged to connecticut and he says i know you

12:20

got your plans you love the and be a lobby

12:23

and out on a road lobby and in the locker room but

12:25

he said but i need then

12:27

i kid i've done all that i could

12:30

the take this as far as i could go i

12:32

need you to do this for me please he

12:34

said i just need three years he said arctic

12:36

will knock it up the pie i

12:38

thought about it does were clearly my best

12:41

options they weren't about to give me my would show or anything

12:43

like that at the time i said i thought

12:45

about of a couple of days or said all right i'll do

12:47

it one month later

12:49

we were number one we've

12:52

been number one ever says and so when it's skyrocketed

12:55

to that point is like yeah

12:57

i did see this comment you know i did

12:59

i mean i knew we'd be successful but

13:02

i didn't know we'd skyrocketed the number one

13:04

more does show and it happened

13:06

a month after i arrived and it's never changed

13:08

with we talk about the chemistry all the time

13:11

with with things like this you feel that chemistry right away

13:13

a he's ill we always had gibbs he's given i

13:15

used to work a fox together jim roam roam

13:17

is burning get as many as be aired

13:19

yet it was called the last word when he was all fox

13:22

and we would be a fox studios offer pico boulevard

13:24

and avenue the stars which i absolutely loved

13:26

palm trees that sounds like else

13:28

i would ninety degree weather so zombie me down

13:31

the ads love this you down and

13:33

they did a pilot would skip an abacus

13:35

gibbon i used to beat autumn the we never agreed on

13:38

anything armed but i love

13:40

the fact that fact good he stood

13:42

for what he felt

13:44

and his our his whole thing is this is what

13:46

i believe and i can make that arguments

13:48

no matter how much i disagreed i respect the

13:50

fact that how you felt and i was an argument

13:52

that he could make that we would debate sometimes in

13:54

the hallways and then the executive

13:57

saw a source what times they watched

13:59

him do his

14:00

work they watch me do my work when i was on the best dance

14:02

what's your period and he said let's create

14:04

a pilot and we created a pilot is

14:06

call sports in black and white and

14:08

they would they were basically trying to create

14:11

to go up against pete yeah and

14:14

we did it they loved it the

14:17

way contract talks the whole bit

14:19

and at the eleventh hour fifty nine minutes

14:21

they had a fox david hale pulled the plug

14:24

said does not what we want to do as

14:26

so from that moment on that was in the year two thousand

14:29

from that moment on skip and i

14:31

have always wondered what it would be like

14:33

if we had worked together because we kept in touch

14:35

to out the years so when

14:38

the opportunity finally came and he approach

14:40

me an hour parking lot that was what he brought

14:42

up this is unfinished business

14:44

we were supposed to do this twelve years ago

14:47

but here we are again this is our opportunity

14:50

stephen a i need you to do this for me and by

14:52

this time i was common or once a week because

14:54

i returned to twenty eleventh and then a

14:56

few months and i will come on every wednesday

14:58

and the ratings would blow up

15:01

and he said i need you to do it did your did your relationship

15:03

or skip ever fracture was there will ever be

15:06

contentiousness their never the only time

15:08

anything came close to that was

15:11

when i knew he

15:13

was leaving before he told me

15:16

i was like what the hell's going on you

15:18

know it's a lack of front of them because almost

15:21

a for better or worse almost straight

15:23

up guy you know if i work with you

15:26

and all of a sudden i'm leaving you ankle

15:28

find out from somebody else you will hear from

15:30

me uncle come looking for you to tell you i will

15:32

give you the news face to face and i

15:34

was hearing it and i'm like what the hell is going on

15:36

and him when he confessed to me what has transpired

15:39

between his negotiations with the company

15:41

i understood why he couldn't tell me in the media

15:44

moments but that's literally the only

15:46

thing that we've ever had any kind issue by

15:48

in that last a polite

15:50

six hours so so with anyone

15:52

that has come on the show my myself

15:54

included i'm your as a

15:56

there's that critique of

16:00

the to get a critique towards the disagreement

16:02

right lift the critique towards the

16:04

contentiousness with plays itself out

16:06

on a debate showed so the critique often

16:08

as well it's just a bunch of people yelling

16:11

at each other but isn't inherently he's

16:13

a show centered around debate

16:17

you know especially when

16:18

the talk about things because you never give little just

16:20

give everyone a little secret to the thing like we

16:22

only pick topics generally that we are going

16:24

to disagree on strike only pick topics

16:27

generally that we are particularly passionate

16:29

exact that we want to talk about

16:32

as or lot of times it ends up i'm

16:35

i'm probably guilty of this is anyone is

16:37

like the body language that the the emotion like

16:39

it's it's just inherently part of what we're

16:41

doing and i'm curious to get your thoughts

16:43

and sort of that critique of the show well

16:45

to me

16:47

it is a debate show for the

16:49

most part

16:51

you shouldn't have the same

16:53

perspective in the same point of view as

16:56

counterparts

16:57

otherwise it's not embracing the because it's not

16:59

a debate so it's about

17:01

given the audience what they expect the doesn't

17:04

mean it's things can't be tweaked it doesn't mean it's

17:06

you can be agreeable from tom its op's

17:08

it does it mean it you can reach a conclusion

17:10

it's similar to one another once you have that

17:12

discussion but it's a it's a discuss

17:15

it and again we could talk about

17:17

yelling we could talk about fiery whatever but it's about

17:19

project since everybody can get

17:21

away with mumbling and be a successful on tv

17:23

like shaquille o'neill they can't do that okay

17:26

most people have you marvel at all cb nobody

17:28

wants to watch you see him say if if you're

17:30

not passionate about what you're discussing

17:33

and you're you're not you're you're not

17:35

aggressive to some degree maybe that's not

17:37

the appropriate words are just assertive

17:39

with it to some degree about your position

17:42

there wasn't anybody feel passionate about what

17:44

you have to say so

17:46

this this brings me to something that i wanted ask

17:48

you about it or bring up and that's just stephen

17:51

a on camera versus the stephen

17:54

a out ahead of regret because free or

17:56

and i tell people what stephen a like people asking

17:58

those of stephen a like my there's

18:00

the person i know on camera renders

18:02

the person i know off camera is how

18:04

are you so sick able to see mislead

18:07

change that because you are this

18:09

loud of yaya

18:12

demonstrative person off camera you're

18:14

you're you're you're actually i would describe your

18:16

soft spoken of hammer out a breather on i

18:19

would just got him i will describe your best

18:21

bet a sweat i will say this to you the

18:23

light come on his time before

18:26

that does it me faking who you

18:28

are that means bringing out that element that's

18:30

appropriate for that platform that you're working

18:32

in again you i can get away

18:34

mobile if i think about as an ad and stand

18:36

up office said this to folks that have ask me this

18:38

question so jj redick himself less as

18:41

they do that questions rhetorically anyway

18:44

if i came all first take is

18:46

that across them use and i said you

18:48

were to do disagree with you

18:50

know here's the reason why you be like

18:53

holy shit with those roy williams says so

18:55

now writes something not right but more

18:57

importantly to plaudits you may not see because

18:59

you're not that experience at doing this show

19:02

is that what kind of position with

19:04

that put you see

19:06

as the face of the show that they handed

19:09

this too is not just my responsibility

19:12

to go on it is as spout my

19:14

opinion is my responsibility to provide

19:16

his show so a lotta times again

19:18

i'm not faking what i feel i'm not

19:21

an authentic or anything like that but what

19:23

i am doing is looking at jj redick

19:25

and i'm like a no go get a with this

19:27

you to have i know doesn't go get a rod

19:29

ups and are messing with him and on target it's

19:31

use because we're doing

19:33

a show and is an audience

19:35

out there that we're projecting to and we have a

19:37

responsibility to feed them at least

19:39

some degrees what they came if you come to steak

19:41

restaurant may you a look of the shrimp you

19:44

looking for states is subsidies of the

19:46

seafood spots you ain't looking for a burger

19:48

you know about you you gotta give the audience

19:51

to some degree what to get but in the say

19:53

breaths do it and authentic fashion

19:55

weird they know you're not faking it you're

19:57

not cheating them you're not selling them a bag

19:59

good

20:00

if not authentic and what have you so to me

20:02

that's my responsibility when it comes to forsake

20:05

is not just meets i gotta make shafi

20:07

molly's are feeding jj is

20:09

cj is swagger with anybody

20:11

if you notice i'm messing with everybody

20:14

because you're not gonna lay

20:16

down and go to sleep with me across from

20:18

you from you know what i'm gonna come at you will

20:21

not do it on purpose or i'm yeah exactly that's

20:23

where i was edited so i'm i'm not saying

20:25

with their characters and authentic but when you are

20:27

saying you're playing a character somewhere swat

20:29

at all as it's a part of my personality

20:32

yeah like for example i go home jj i'm off

20:34

to a

20:35

and literally my sister's a third

20:37

you out the it'll be a family

20:39

gathering and i'll walk through the door

20:42

and i say

20:43

have a right i know what to say

20:45

what about other we're suite of we

20:47

had a family picnic or whatever i said

20:49

sam sam and i'm sorry your

20:52

still like wow wow what a said

20:55

oh so as is a mess with people

20:58

all the time because it is a part

21:00

of my personality is what i'm saying is not

21:02

something did i don't do i remember years ago

21:04

mance i got it in a rebel

21:06

and i bring this up because most seats was as

21:08

as dakota full of seventy sixes me back

21:11

to that goto up the sixers game

21:13

pals at auburn hills and come back

21:15

would pump three other sports writers in the car what makes

21:18

they pull me over said that you know ultimately

21:20

told me i was travel with was suspended license

21:22

cost me you know

21:25

me in a jail cell and troy michigan

21:27

is like a night see ninety not our was

21:30

as all out with hops and i'm going

21:32

off a stuff like this and i come back the

21:34

next day and i'm going to philadelphia

21:36

seventy sixes practice and complain

21:39

about as a motif so all our nose

21:41

with is it in the papers visited fate

21:43

was because that was his we're get back to me say

21:45

you were put it in a paper says if it was us

21:48

you know south as guys guys

21:50

who know me know that i have

21:52

a personality

21:54

you know you can vibe with me we could talk we might

21:56

disagree or whatever

21:58

what a bomb your damn your guy i'm going to have

22:00

your back and we don't have a good

22:02

time we don't even have a good time going at each

22:04

other and we can do this we can agree

22:06

to disagree i'm not going to be offended by

22:08

somebody disagree with me i'm not going to be offended by jj

22:11

saying you have last job ma you

22:13

don't know what the hell you're talking about like what

22:15

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24:22

you mentioned that she played college

24:24

basketball tried to play that's what i said i try

24:26

to play jj i don't play i try to

24:28

play bugatti ah

24:31

for clarence big house gains

24:33

the legendary coach we

24:36

were with grant hill yesterday

24:39

who who's episode will be out

24:41

next week yes and he

24:44

told a story about you riding

24:46

about very critical cool

24:49

article in the student newspaper it

24:52

while you were playing for clarity

24:54

gave that and i was like that can't be true there's

24:56

more this door you did or that we did our research

24:58

in cities true in his show but it

25:01

was it was more to destroyed in that arm coach

25:04

gazes like gazes father to me and

25:06

he has health issues and

25:09

i don't know whether was we will palsy or

25:11

whatever was but he would

25:13

literally at times have to wear

25:15

pads over his i sketch

25:18

mild strokes and stuff like that and

25:21

he was he was that you know i never had

25:23

a great relationship with my dad then

25:26

when i got there you know he

25:28

gravitated towards me we'd

25:31

sit there regularly for

25:33

five days a week at his office and given

25:35

me just life lessons and talking

25:37

to me about a lot of these he said of damage you angle

25:40

be a pro player let's get that out the way right

25:42

now damage you you can't play that good and blah

25:44

blah blah and he

25:46

got to a point where his health was so

25:48

shaky we see

25:50

it literally while he was on the

25:52

sidelines they were a couple a cause we thought

25:54

he was all fall over collapse as

25:57

so i went into his office one day and as it is

25:59

done the new year ago

26:01

the i go home be with you yeah wife got to

26:04

didn't get graduates yeah gall man

26:06

and he said

26:10

shut the fuck does exactly

26:13

, it's and i said i'm serious

26:15

coats you know and i said the

26:18

you know studied journalism and a whole bit

26:20

our own corner like us the a be fair

26:22

be as accurate as i possibly can be upfront

26:25

and stuff like that he or he would talk to me

26:27

about my career as were races and as i

26:29

write this he said said

26:31

may say this

26:33

as an okay and then armed

26:36

i wrote the article you know as

26:38

the when i wrote the article without giving all article without

26:40

details about his business

26:42

we had a chance lay in a minute watch

26:44

all the people that would just appalled like

26:47

a lid of did the legends in the broadcasting

26:50

a br coach k and of that know

26:52

what the purpose but i just heard everybody was i who the hell

26:54

is this no name kid globalists and

26:57

that chancellor wanted me expel coach

27:00

gains stepped in the stop literally

27:03

said the told me what he was gonna do

27:05

the told me why the

27:07

told me to my face before he did and

27:10

i told him going leave

27:12

him alone and

27:14

always remembered that

27:16

because years later when people get

27:19

army and eight see me or tv a coach gays

27:21

blacks damage everybody don't want all

27:23

the truth all day of tom will watch telling

27:25

them about themselves as said that's

27:28

, your told me to do see several

27:30

got them and i choose one month month

27:33

i said not so easy goes out there but i

27:35

don't i've never tell everything goes you noggin

27:37

the people's personal business but as it i

27:39

got a corner like us either by watch and i got a call

27:41

like i see it he said okay with somebody

27:43

conceal as out don't say anything as it

27:45

did i say something we ucas mia he

27:48

said is true that was really was

27:50

what's interesting to me about this

27:52

story were of

27:54

particular interest me is because

27:57

the whole story's very trusting what what's what

27:59

particular interest

28:00

the me is that you essentially were

28:02

of your party or you were at the forefront

28:04

of athletes really media cost has

28:06

asked if would you fix about you not

28:08

listen i like i said i'd try to play but i'm me

28:10

listen when i was in high school must see

28:13

in high school i was five nine one hundred

28:15

and thirty pounds my first

28:17

year cause i gained like about bob

28:19

jones ah

28:21

and i went to fr t facet

28:24

is the to the technology

28:26

because i didn't have any scholarship

28:28

or this is only played basketball my

28:30

senior year now played in

28:32

a tournament at their school i dropped twenty seven

28:35

and a will i we wants you and then i

28:37

went there they can i would go to have a couple

28:39

years it in transferred to a

28:41

four year university and when i went there

28:43

for one year with the sale of they gave call

28:45

him because a formal play it it was a

28:47

family friend of mine and he drove me down for

28:49

try out and it was the greatest

28:51

shooting performers i ever had a my life was

28:53

i've never done it says and i'd never did it before

28:56

that but that particular day that

28:58

try out i went down with the salem and

29:01

i'd pass the ball around with coach gays

29:03

put me on a court a coach gays

29:05

blew the whistle in the called me over because

29:08

he six six six to eighty

29:10

and he was older he won bad the get up so

29:12

he seemed buddha with was a to movie

29:15

he said did you supposed to be a shooter

29:18

i say yes he several got them as youtube

29:20

hall service right and

29:22

i went out there then i hit seventy

29:25

straight three pointers i've

29:27

never done at a my life before or after

29:30

but that day i hit seventy

29:32

three point straight and he saw

29:34

me to a scholarship on the spot is

29:37

so you know from that point forward

29:39

it was like wow this is this is what

29:41

happens in all the this other stuff but i cracked

29:43

my kneecap and half my for she idiots

29:46

a month in arm i

29:48

went out for layer the my kneecap

29:51

split and

29:55

i wasn't at duke i was net north carolina we

29:57

didn't have the facilities and a medical

29:59

coverage so i the operation a wake forest

30:01

hospital all right with the

30:03

salem and

30:06

i can only we have of of

30:08

my mother's insurance which

30:10

forced me to leave school a go back

30:12

in rehab and because i wanted to get back

30:15

to school so badly i did exactly

30:17

what was necessary for rehab pretty much

30:20

nothing else am i knew he was never

30:22

the same and that was that was

30:24

when that was the end of the king

30:26

david the and as those on scholarships i

30:28

could still go on a basketball court and bust somebody

30:30

there's but if you ask me to run up and

30:32

down the court for twenty twenty five minutes at i could

30:35

do it could do

30:36

when will you get the daily news and when you're

30:38

the enquirer we

30:40

how good of a verbal communicator where you i've

30:42

always been a rebel can be to kill my mother told me

30:44

i could talk i'm not at all so so

30:47

so what was the a book facility was there

30:49

a period where like the switch flipped you're like

30:51

oh i'm i'm now can emmy we visited

30:53

he told by terms of print from print the television

30:56

print the television radio evidence that

30:58

i

31:01

did in my career what

31:03

i tried encourage

31:05

folks to do like these jj

31:07

isn't for me and be a play it as not

31:10

but he's a rookie mean that's what

31:12

i was i literally

31:14

take it as a badge of honor to help

31:16

him in anybody that can excel

31:19

in this business they can call me up talk

31:21

to me if we anything that they wanna

31:23

do anything that i can help too because that's what people

31:25

differ me when i was in print journalism

31:28

the real change my career took

31:30

place in two thousand and one

31:33

when the philadelphia seventy sixes went to the a be

31:35

finals allen apps and omni be

31:37

rather covering the t i'm

31:39

breaking all the stories i

31:42

mean i know everybody i got can

31:44

next is all over the league i know was going

31:46

all blah blah blah instead of so for the purposes

31:48

of philadelphia's newspapers are really

31:50

kill him

31:52

once they got to the playoffs nothing

31:54

matters

31:55

the features department he investigated department

31:58

other riders the car

32:00

everybody it took over because what they try

32:02

to do is generate

32:04

you know revenue from ad

32:06

sales or what have you because you got a maximize

32:08

that when a team with that's what been printed discuss

32:10

what they all do and i

32:12

was nothing

32:14

i have my eight hundred word at my space

32:16

on my eight hundred word article and

32:19

that's all i could do and

32:21

i see what the hell is this so

32:23

i look around and i'm like we got radio

32:25

host they say more

32:27

in three minutes to an act and right and an entire

32:29

article

32:30

and they got to our to our three hours

32:33

show plus i'm getting paid

32:36

seventy five thousand they get paid three

32:38

four five hundred thousand dollars a year

32:41

tv they get paid seven figures

32:43

on like what i mean i ain't blunt

32:45

this is where the money is and on top

32:48

of it all is good as everyone

32:50

thought i could write could write i could

32:52

talk better than i can write so i'm like

32:54

wait a minute i get to talk instead of

32:56

right and make more money

32:58

this is not a hard transition to make

33:01

and so i can it's and and from that point

33:03

forward i made up my mind at that

33:05

the rx that was the direction that i was going to go in

33:07

so i was a inside of cnn

33:09

as i went cns i existed

33:12

fox sports came calling

33:16

we foxsports came calling then

33:18

they created the best damn sports your period

33:21

they wanted me on the show to

33:23

be next chris

33:25

rose come on

33:27

come on

33:29

i was making

33:31

again seventy five thousand

33:33

a year they offered me

33:35

a three year contract the

33:37

one point for me that

33:40

turned into the reason

33:42

i turned it down was because i

33:44

wanted to be taken seriously and

33:47

i know you can't be taken

33:50

seriously sitting next to a comedian

33:52

every day no shade on taiwan

33:54

and whatsoever great comedian great

33:56

guy loved him the whole bit be the

33:58

comedian and if you're sitting

34:00

next up comedian you get attached to that

34:02

a you're presumably that person

34:05

or like a sidekick of that persists

34:07

which prevents the espańa as of the

34:09

world and others to come down the pike the high youth

34:12

i saw that ahead of time as said

34:14

no because my sights was only

34:16

in here and three years

34:18

later

34:19

i got here not still was a contributor

34:22

to the show and terms of given and be a inside

34:24

interviews or stuff like that but john

34:26

salley ultimately took that role he

34:29

took their role because i turned to death did

34:31

you enjoy being a beat writer pay

34:33

aside allied you loved i loved

34:35

it added at because

34:39

i've always been a guy who

34:41

believed the reason why never

34:43

back down is

34:45

because number one i

34:47

was on the see

34:49

number two are luau was willing to talk

34:51

to the people that are talk about i was a running

34:53

from any body and number three on

34:55

to our sphere i always

34:57

knew that our the kind of person if you showed

34:59

me i was wrong and i did

35:01

something publicly that was erroneous

35:04

or whatever i wasn't gonna apologize

35:06

probably

35:07

our to go to correct it properly our go

35:09

right back on to say platform that are screwed

35:11

up board now say nope he's

35:13

right i was wrong i knew

35:15

i've always been that person sort

35:17

of fact that i knew that about myself

35:20

that put me in a very pope position because

35:22

players respect their jc knows this players

35:24

respect that you you know you what you want to assess

35:26

the first of all we respect we we see you

35:28

got sent to say the you in the locker rooms

35:31

they respect that number two if you will

35:33

in a correct itself they respect that two and

35:35

number three i was on the scene because i had

35:37

to travel wherever the team with so i

35:40

was courtside i was in a locked room i

35:42

was the a cover the t on off days

35:44

adage as get the first take an aspirin

35:47

you know twenty day of years and his business before

35:49

first date of a game along pound and

35:51

that pavement going to games covering

35:53

practices traveler with the team's

35:55

doing all it as stuff on an everyday basis

35:57

where would i think is remarkable though night we we talk

36:00

about this little bit of camera but

36:02

what i think his remarkable his his that you know

36:04

you start i think winston salem journal

36:06

writer get get when salem journal for

36:08

free in school while youre at school you

36:10

wrote your student newspaper you were

36:12

beat writer you grinded through a

36:14

bunch of television shows get now your and

36:16

a position lets be honest your your i believe

36:19

the highest paid talent a at he espn

36:21

in a were when you signed what a into

36:23

writer television deal those guys signed their deal for

36:25

monday night football a my

36:28

observation of you having worked

36:31

with you for the last six or seven months is that grind

36:33

hasn't stopped his that's what i find be

36:35

pretty remarkable me which you know we we do

36:37

the show you can fly

36:39

and for just one day you're fly in and do the show

36:41

and person we've got countdown you've

36:43

got stephen a world you go on almost

36:46

every other show at some point in time whether

36:49

that's you know get up or a radio

36:51

show get your get your

36:53

out there grinding and i'm

36:56

curious if

36:58

the grind is the enjoyment

37:00

the work the the

37:03

little bit the

37:05

that feeling of relevancy and cherishing

37:07

that feeling is that a little bit of it's

37:10

as , but i think the biggest thing

37:12

is that list is be honest this is is

37:15

is the powers to influence the what

37:17

i mean by that is that what

37:19

did what resists did a jump all over

37:21

an athlete is because our town as anybody

37:23

to find somebody who defends athletes more than

37:25

me other than the athletes themselves and

37:28

i'm talking about a career where

37:31

it's not just what i do on camera on

37:33

on microphone or radio on and news rule

37:35

for television network or television or

37:37

television network or or prince or

37:40

operate newspaper what

37:42

i've done button on the seeds to

37:44

fight to make sure athletes gotta

37:46

see as shakes i'll put my ragged

37:48

up against any by because it a

37:50

lot of stuff that athletes don't know like i'm

37:52

big on let's be fair i'm

37:54

big on does the a personal life what the

37:56

hell you do enough for they're not and police blotter

37:59

you don't know what the hell go and watch why would

38:01

you say something like that people don't

38:03

realize how many stories i've stopped

38:05

from getting pretty stopped from getting

38:07

publicized or whatever just because it was

38:09

grossly unfair and it was very presumptuous

38:11

and pete we we had no businesses and industries

38:14

doing those kind of takes so when you

38:16

know your fight in those battles you

38:18

know there's a level of if louis that comes

38:20

along with it so when somebody tries

38:22

to come along be like what the hell you just do use

38:24

is running your mouth i'd laugh because it

38:27

isn't thought that comes to my mind as you clearly don't

38:29

know my back when you don't know my history you don't

38:31

know the sacrifices that are me

38:33

that much money i would be making even

38:35

now if i was

38:37

willing to sell you out when

38:40

i've never been that gas and so for

38:42

me it's just when you talk

38:44

about power and influence what i mean by

38:46

that is that as say something that resonates

38:49

last year one

38:51

point five billion people

38:53

watch be or you to one

38:56

point five billion i make sure

38:58

i have these numbers i know exactly what kind

39:00

of a bag that as and i

39:02

know that that the impact that

39:05

are beat writer is going to the games

39:07

and all the this other stuff well the

39:10

owners call the president of

39:12

basketball operations call me players call

39:14

me eccentrics address which is why a lotta

39:16

times if a player challenges or they've got

39:18

up to the say and they'll pick up the phone call me and

39:20

my you think you'd only one

39:22

you take a you are you accusing me

39:24

of getting this added that if you think about it it's

39:26

habits are now we know somebody told you it's

39:28

okay well this understand that that's

39:30

so up on role you got enemies

39:33

would you do about that you know is so

39:35

all of a sudden you see how things swirls

39:38

and how lose percolate and outrage

39:40

actually takes place behind the scenes

39:43

ninety percent of which people never see

39:46

the person i'm one of the people

39:48

that has an abundance of people on

39:50

speed dial and they have meals be

39:53

dark and they will tags or pick up phone as

39:55

while lot of times they have not been one

39:57

segment a jj probably know this may be done

40:00

they have not been once single site i've

40:02

been on a year with you we

40:04

i'm not getting it text messages for people

40:06

in the league while we're talking get

40:09

on

40:10

he was not enough he was he got

40:12

to see right about that assamese decks

40:15

they are literally giving commentary

40:18

one are commentary we had an incident

40:21

three four weeks ago i'm not going to name the cargo

40:24

where the guy literally texted both

40:26

have a simultaneous as right he he's back to

40:28

see it is about is a somewhat about

40:30

why we were both rest actually as my it's for

40:33

what i'm saying is that for me

40:35

as every show every

40:38

segment

40:39

the every show yeah which

40:41

is why where people sit up the as a he doesn't

40:43

know he doesn't know they don't get it

40:45

i'm not one of those commentators that

40:47

think i know more than the people involved

40:50

i think i know something because

40:53

the people involved told

40:55

there's a difference so somebody comes

40:58

in here which were dated jj walks out today

41:00

it's is a jj does some news

41:02

going on about data so i am i going to be as

41:05

you know yeah know what is it and

41:07

the a damn business they'll be like this what

41:09

you might not know cause you not seeing a thing i

41:11

know i just want jj does

41:14

not telling you

41:16

so that's where my power comes

41:18

from because i know that people

41:20

communicate with me all the time and

41:23

they use me as a can do

41:25

it the whatever information

41:27

they want to seminary

41:29

that's my job as a journalist we

41:31

we're talking about the the performance

41:33

angle earlier web been hearing and on do

41:35

they give you from your own personalized

41:38

his love of you decided to be

41:40

in like another field whether be politics

41:42

and attainment and of and we need this

41:44

wouldn't work for televisa see as a starter

41:48

marriage , good as haven't

41:51

covered try wherever crime we

41:53

are planning are soviet here soviet like here

41:55

so this translates to anything if

41:57

you decided like five years ago like our

41:59

wanted

42:00

really do poses any we want to do and same in

42:02

a really want to would have when he has the a let me go

42:05

in two thousand two thousand

42:08

hi appeared on fox those msnbc

42:11

and cnn a hundred and fifty

42:13

times honestly

42:16

thought that could

42:18

be a potato a possibility the

42:20

two thousand and fifteen one

42:23

of those networks cnn

42:26

actually interviewed me from our show

42:29

on cnn

42:30

i can honestly tell you i believe

42:33

that if i were in politics

42:37

it might a got me killed because

42:40

it a whirl will live in because

42:43

if he didn't get me killed

42:45

it would have me as a pariah by

42:48

half of the country

42:50

like the likes of a sean hannity one up

42:52

because we're not do as stuff and i'm in

42:55

adult view myself as myself as place canada

42:58

come have to be the top dog

43:00

that's just by nature and

43:04

i'm not gonna fake the fog or whatever i

43:06

just know that when i do things

43:08

i know how to resonate with an audience

43:11

and if i would do politics we took our real

43:13

life issues

43:15

think that affect the average everyday

43:17

american anything ,

43:19

would be so dangerous about me as i'm not

43:21

one sided sided the

43:23

liberals are right sometimes the conservatives

43:25

arises on a case by case basis

43:27

but the one thing i can assure you of as i

43:30

would piss off millions was

43:32

with you know literally

43:35

the subject matter subject because

43:38

i'm taking i'm taking and

43:40

i'm not scared to do that i'm

43:42

scared to take

43:43

the

43:45

ideological position that

43:48

i believe in that i believe

43:50

that

43:51

the case by case basis i think it's

43:53

very impressed living in the grass right living

43:56

in the graph i'm not that guy oh my

43:58

god is it how

44:00

i feel about

44:03

yea right is entirely different my how

44:05

am i feel about the economy i'm

44:07

a liberal when it comes to gay right i'm

44:09

a fiscal conservative when it comes the moment okay

44:12

if they pay the taxes the drives me nuts something

44:14

i can't wait to get out a new york city opted sick

44:16

of it's and i was born and raised in the thefts i'm sick and

44:18

they didn't take my damn money attacks did drive

44:21

me nuts okay the things

44:23

that i do from a business perspective the decisions

44:25

that are make the things on the pursuit of primarily

44:28

is because i'm tired

44:30

of all my money being taken i

44:33

want to be more of an entrepreneur i want

44:35

to make sure you to as i'm aware

44:37

of what a capital gains taxes on my

44:39

way of what a contact with i noticed

44:41

states the don't have income taxes okay

44:43

to don't they stated complex as i know the states

44:45

i could give it to you tap their first appeared sensitive

44:48

to stuff matters to me as

44:50

so i would take a position

44:52

and i'm afraid to do

44:55

considering that it affects the labs people

44:57

i would tell you i'm glad i did

44:59

it but i came very very very

45:01

close to being appointed

45:04

being appointed time i was approached by gov

45:06

rendell in pennsylvania he wanted

45:08

me to run for senate

45:09

he

45:11

said you should you dc use do it

45:14

i said i mean you don't i'm not liberal it

45:16

on are conservative a the bomb us he said

45:18

no matter which you

45:20

no matter which do you avoid the need to be already

45:22

told me this about those two years

45:24

ago it doesn't seem not to get to so

45:26

excited about it doesn't it seem now that like

45:29

showmanship

45:30

in performance and mean obviously we

45:32

saw this for the last president it's incredibly

45:34

important for all these fields it's like

45:37

the the television to politics pipeline

45:39

is happening over and over there is no

45:41

doubt about that but the difference between

45:43

politics and everything else evil

45:45

as they love you or hatred a lot more

45:47

than anything other than politics when it

45:49

comes to politics is charismatic

45:52

as you may be it does ultimately come down

45:54

to what you do once you have the

45:56

charisma you can add a charisma but

45:58

you can be a person that

46:01

is making decisions as to the detriment

46:03

of a segment of our society if not our society

46:06

as a whole at all of a sudden all hell

46:08

breaks loose you know and as

46:10

you gotta take that into consideration i'm elicits

46:13

you could say what you want about donald trump

46:15

he had charisma is no doubt about that

46:18

the , that conservatives have

46:20

a hard time coming at me about his when

46:22

i come at him it was never because of his politics

46:25

because i see the with we after

46:27

that the the prism of history

46:29

tells us the effectiveness of a president

46:31

or lack thereof you can't tell

46:33

us in the moments history tells us

46:36

that which you can tell about

46:38

a president is whether you're did this of force

46:41

are you capable of galvanizing people

46:43

think that that nature and i've said

46:45

this before and i'll say it again the

46:47

again realize that if

46:49

donald trump had

46:51

simply said wear a mask a

46:54

conducted himself with any kind of decorum

46:57

the still be run

46:59

literally absurd and i'm telling

47:01

you i'm sure and as we just have said that the sean

47:03

hannity after that immortal

47:05

of it i mean i know these people you

47:07

know i'm oh no i'm not been on all of these shows

47:10

and is sports fan that's how i know them but

47:12

think about the and i've and i remember one time i said

47:15

i said how does it feel if

47:18

the presidency is so important

47:21

in it matters so much a

47:23

you have that power that you fluids

47:25

hundreds of millions of okay

47:30

hey you passed on it just

47:32

because you

47:34

wanted to show little class

47:37

that you wanted to tell you they want to agree

47:39

with the liberals a you politicized

47:42

colvin ninety you realize

47:44

if you that done that you

47:46

would still be present so what

47:48

does a say to you about a person that knew that they

47:51

still let his ego get in away anyway

47:53

that's not politics as

47:55

human does human beings as human communication

47:58

the trade sense that and know that kind of things

48:01

are looking

48:03

the not expect to have that conversation

48:08

with the broads say the idea that we'll get we'll

48:10

get it right back as back do what it

48:13

the the the part about the

48:16

, comment you made about ah

48:19

i'm not really like been in a player's

48:21

personal business in a blue fighting

48:24

did have stories not read become

48:26

public i am curious it's not

48:29

that nudges of first take but in anything you've

48:31

written anything done or there is

48:34

their particular stories are particular stories

48:36

take that you've had about a player

48:38

that you've been regret it later

48:41

on i

48:43

regret it

48:45

the beef that me and glam big dog

48:47

robison it the

48:52

as i reflect on it i

48:55

had to take the brunt of the blame for that the

48:58

professional and a professional believe it or

49:00

use a growl maze of always over sort of a kind

49:02

of that because randy years got fat hook

49:05

philadelphia seventy sixers and

49:08

, had a real problem with a because i happen

49:10

to have know that ,

49:12

time that he was dismissed him you

49:14

know i know what i'm not bringing that up to twenty see it on

49:17

anybody cause we drop that a long time ago but

49:19

up the issue that i had as i felt like

49:22

there was disrespect according

49:24

to him and that lead

49:27

the billy king a new seventy sixes

49:29

believing he was the guy because he didn't

49:31

have to respect the the players and

49:34

i had i had with that because

49:37

he was an african american man and

49:40

a level of disrespect that i felt

49:42

was accorded to him was not right and

49:45

i said dad and because it at glen

49:47

and i had a beef years on

49:50

then one day i saw his son

49:53

and

49:55

his son came over to me a talk to me

49:58

and there's just certain men

50:00

and the whole bit and i was

50:02

like damn no

50:04

glazer go father no

50:06

way his son will come up talk

50:09

with me if this man was behind

50:11

the scenes doing all this nonsense

50:13

or anything like that and more

50:15

importantly id want his son to ever

50:18

think that because of any disagreement

50:20

i am with his father that that we reflect

50:22

on him in any way terms of my coverage of

50:24

it came to that is so from that moment

50:27

forward i just said drop

50:30

oh what your pot and all it is

50:32

disagreement is letting

50:34

go glands a good guy

50:37

ya just got a disagreement and that's okay

50:39

and the other one was our lives

50:43

it's hard

50:45

to admit this as

50:48

you know as an objective

50:51

observer or journalists commentator

50:54

now all this other stuff i love

50:56

our analyses like analyses little brother little brother and

50:59

harboring him the

51:01

in an african american from the streets in new york

51:04

knowing his story a nor would he

51:06

endured

51:08

we went to a lot together covering

51:10

him i don't believe i'm city

51:12

and disposition the day if it were not our lives

51:15

ring him with a separate

51:17

beat in and of itself when

51:19

, was a star in this league only person

51:22

more popular than and one can easily argue was

51:24

michael jordan that's how popular

51:27

allen opposite was and

51:30

eden or we do the right thanks sometimes

51:33

the stuff was hard to right and

51:35

all but to stuff i did it say in i

51:37

didn't write sometimes

51:39

the left you no choice and

51:42

one tom the latest that the last

51:44

time

51:46

his last date with philadelphia seventy

51:48

sixers wheat is

51:50

speak for two years because

51:52

he was upset that i had written an article

51:55

about him he was away from the team

51:58

you know supposedly is it was like a whatever

52:01

but in a swamp audience and

52:04

he didn't know any of this but one

52:06

of my editors said i thought you

52:08

said alan iverson what

52:10

does family the in the years

52:12

we toby whatever he

52:14

turned around a computer had video

52:16

of apps surrounded by hundred

52:18

people you know that

52:21

he said you write it

52:23

the will take it out here hits it

52:26

will have ah the pot right the

52:30

so i had to right to story

52:32

on about i wasn't with the team

52:35

and eccentric satcher any was

52:37

incredibly her and

52:40

we couldn't connect for couple years

52:42

and i heard it i started hearing that

52:44

if he sees man if he also each other

52:46

it would be a problem anymore put as a as a

52:48

you wherever last worst these omega

52:50

say to me because you know i mean i'm

52:53

not scared of any bible more poorly i got boys is like

52:55

a by else so our down

52:57

a lana look awful and

52:59

i had i had a few of my boys with me

53:02

you know and i went down a little not found

53:05

and we met up it

53:07

wasn't any other the man

53:09

and okay about the are that

53:12

again from you and

53:15

when he said that the

53:17

felt the small because

53:20

i got it i didn't know

53:23

he had a job as a player i have a job

53:25

as a reporter and , was it

53:27

and by that's how the columnist said she says it and

53:29

are lifted it's debts and i never

53:31

thought a mouth on he has seek a he had

53:34

a problem with story he had no problem with stores

53:36

he said i deal with that every day is

53:38

the fact is your name was on the ballot

53:40

and i really did say much but

53:42

when are sorta hurt his eyes to

53:45

story wasn't worth it to me

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54:56

so i think this is one of the challenges

54:59

with being in media

55:01

as being a journalist or even

55:04

to some degree in my case being a former

55:06

ex player who's friends

55:08

and former teammates and peers

55:10

that i respect are still playing

55:13

ah and you build relationships

55:15

and it's

55:16

the challenging to be fair

55:19

and balanced and impartial and

55:22

unbiased

55:23

towards people right that you

55:25

respect or that you have a relationship

55:27

with that i'd to me that's

55:29

a perfect example of that that's really

55:32

one of the main challenges to

55:34

do your point about having these relationships

55:36

with different people across the league that really

55:38

is the biggest counseling but as never challenged

55:41

for me to talk about again

55:43

like i walk up to you and a hobby

55:45

you play like garbage utilizing new tv the next

55:48

the gonna say so that

55:51

was his personal life

55:53

that would the chant okay with matches person

55:55

life as your vs abbey and with cp had

55:57

a game seven i came on the day and i said he succeeded

56:00

the sacrifice to do that i learned

56:02

to be in other words you for that yeah cause that's

56:04

what you have to do when it comes to their gay because everyone's

56:06

watching them but but hot on but hold

56:09

i bet it becomes about other another conversation

56:11

another conversation by some of his legacy right

56:13

another conversation by somebody money right

56:16

and much they deserve and that's where

56:18

i think the challenge largest dallas shot reading

56:20

a box course not watching a game like it's

56:22

it's it's the comparison of players

56:25

it's it's when we talk about a guy's contract

56:27

what they're worth that's where i think there's some

56:29

challenges in a drizzly that's where

56:31

i think some people have run into some

56:33

problems yes you're right i don't think you

56:35

i don't think you're wrong at all for me it's

56:38

never been a problem in that regard though because

56:40

how you start off the relationships matter

56:42

if i come to you when i say this is who we

56:44

are

56:45

i have to write about what i

56:47

see you do on a court order

56:49

field of play that's my

56:52

story to tell that you could give me

56:54

quotes you could give me your perspective

56:56

and i'll quote you but whatever i believe

56:58

i saw you will be hard pressed

57:00

to convince me that us or something different you got a shot

57:03

and i'm innocent but what i saw as what the hell

57:05

are sold as an alley

57:07

different when it comes off the court of here the place that

57:10

as your story and so i've

57:12

always made sure their players who

57:14

understood who know me understand

57:16

it if you don't know stephen a

57:18

smith as a professional athlete does your brow

57:21

because i make myself available

57:23

there's no ass on a plan

57:25

it that you say they can't find me if

57:28

i'm talking about you on the easiest

57:30

person to fonts are not hide it could

57:32

that's when is really really weeks ago

57:35

incredibly unfair did at athletes

57:37

you have to make sure that athletes

57:39

has the access to

57:41

you if they want it if you don't want

57:44

it is that's up there are other players

57:46

going to meet you please walk in as

57:48

well as he chairs of that not

57:50

so fast you know says i'm not losing

57:53

any sleep over it because all you had to do was told

57:55

to be and no matter what

57:57

i see i have

58:00

obligation as a professional and

58:02

as a human not only the hear

58:04

ya sab to make sure i convey

58:06

your perspective even if i disagree

58:08

jj redick and aka more first day

58:11

yes we disagreed tell me what

58:13

are we have said no you can't express

58:15

your point but i can express my i've

58:17

never done that always make sure everyone

58:20

, hurt that's my obligation

58:23

to make sure that your heard and make sure you get a

58:25

fair shake at that i have to agree

58:27

which

58:28

the not when it comes to your professional performance

58:31

personal life is different because we don't

58:33

know what goes on and a walls of your home

58:35

your personal life figuratively speaking whatever

58:37

we don't know that as your story

58:40

to tell by field a quarter place oh

58:42

no no no no no es by a group

58:44

of real quick of before we go to the next

58:46

thing i do want to ask you just about a

58:48

i admit period of time in philadelphia

58:50

because you

58:52

, that was when i was in high school and the he

58:55

you know him along with koby that's where the next

58:57

era that post jordan era yes was

58:59

a was an interesting time for the and be a but specifically

59:02

as it relates to philadelphia and

59:04

having played there for two years and seen the reception

59:07

said he gets when he comes back when you think it

59:09

was about alan iverson in probably

59:11

the toughest sports town toughest

59:14

be revered in that still

59:16

to this day he this so revered easily

59:18

he was a warrior philadelphia

59:22

there's

59:24

a phenomenal sportster i

59:27

loved my time there

59:29

philadelphia is a is a town

59:32

however with a complex it

59:34

, feels like it's respected

59:36

is appreciated degree that it

59:39

deserves alan

59:41

iverson eradicated all it i'm

59:44

a novice and represented philadelphia

59:46

personified everything that philadelphia

59:49

saw itself as

59:51

the undersized on the

59:53

dog in a land the giants

59:56

was still come that

59:58

had a view down on opposite and

1:00:00

allah novices

1:00:02

practice their we talked about practice the

1:00:04

alan iverson that was in friday's

1:00:07

all a damn tommaso the average the alan

1:00:09

iverson that was run in the streets and stuff like

1:00:11

that was not the our labs

1:00:13

and as showed that when it was time for the

1:00:16

brighter the lights the big

1:00:18

challenge the more he welcomed

1:00:23

philadelphia and das

1:00:25

was somebody the eros say like ben

1:00:27

simmons

1:00:29

not literally but figuratively speaking

1:00:31

he can never go back they

1:00:33

will never forgive him the

1:00:36

bar because they view

1:00:38

him as a coward i

1:00:41

don't view on is that that's a bit extreme i

1:00:43

don't know all the intricacies of was going on

1:00:45

with him i just feel like

1:00:47

i used to ask you for your money so i got a problem

1:00:49

with that like philadelphia

1:00:53

philadelphia bullies he's a cow

1:00:56

philadelphia believe he's the

1:00:58

antithesis of everything alan

1:01:00

iverson personify and

1:01:03

if anything ben simmons

1:01:05

existence over the last year

1:01:08

has elevated

1:01:11

the a law to alan iverson even

1:01:13

more because they're same day and

1:01:15

we miss that i remember

1:01:17

when it went to the finals

1:01:19

am a key tough hard nosed player

1:01:22

george alleged tyrell hill the can

1:01:24

be but dumbo these guys they

1:01:26

all i eric snow they all had that kind

1:01:28

of pronounce wasn't blessed with

1:01:30

tremendous mercurial abilities

1:01:33

they were hard nose they ran

1:01:35

from know damn body alan

1:01:38

iverson was the star we

1:01:41

we don't even gary payden last week i'm curious

1:01:43

what you think about it i'm

1:01:45

having having bit of sympathy for some of the guys

1:01:48

now not just near me a but just you know pro athletes

1:01:50

in general with social media

1:01:52

and with the constant barrage

1:01:54

of criticism and attention

1:01:56

all the time with everything they make a mistake

1:01:58

and it becomes a

1:02:00

brown dog move the gary was like we that another

1:02:02

guy would have been going to make it and house play if i was

1:02:04

doing everything i was doing off the court guess

1:02:06

when he vows if i was like his son

1:02:08

now they're assigned now and go to make it

1:02:11

do you feel that having sort of covered

1:02:13

both like

1:02:15

the i obviously like in a generation

1:02:17

that didn't exist and now covering these guys today

1:02:19

i don't feel sorry for them i know that exists

1:02:22

but i don't feel sorry for them and he has wattle feel sorry

1:02:24

for them because you know different than a

1:02:26

rest of us i play in and

1:02:28

be a blake role you

1:02:30

imagine what they say about be on social media it's

1:02:33

most of us now any

1:02:35

everybody wants a voice

1:02:38

everybody wants their voice to be heard

1:02:41

and by the way

1:02:43

it's not because they have this a sexual

1:02:45

appetite to be heard the big it could be monitor

1:02:48

in some cases against and

1:02:50

so were you think about it we all wanna act

1:02:52

like dollars and cents doesn't have something

1:02:54

to do with everything but dammit have an eight everything

1:02:57

is most things and when you think

1:02:59

about social media that's what you have to think about

1:03:01

you got people who are youtube stars

1:03:04

you got females who on instagram

1:03:06

stars or me think

1:03:08

about that for second year and so would you

1:03:10

have that going on a you find

1:03:12

a way to monetize will guess what the

1:03:15

vast majority of american citizens

1:03:17

a make it was so much money as

1:03:20

off not only that they got the show up at work

1:03:22

they gotta answer the bosses they don't want to institute

1:03:25

a gotta show up to a job they gotta know gotta ones who have

1:03:27

to say they gotta travel to get to that jobs

1:03:29

do or do to do a means of transportation

1:03:31

they would prefer not to utilize his are

1:03:33

all is is going on and all of all sudden i

1:03:37

can get all my computer straight

1:03:39

outta bed a made

1:03:41

myself the money if

1:03:43

hard to somehow some way manufacture

1:03:48

would ever abilities i have

1:03:51

it's something that resonates to an audience

1:03:54

that had a a seeking date for

1:03:56

example jj redick complain all the time about

1:03:58

be a misquoted he is absolutely right what

1:04:00

did i say them added say to him he will be was quoted as

1:04:02

a get used to it it happens all the times

1:04:04

you know how many times people will click bait something

1:04:07

that they put a headline and it had

1:04:09

something to do what what i said aggregate

1:04:11

bullshit their as as with a do it right

1:04:14

because that way you click on it a you read

1:04:16

the article here's where it's a problem

1:04:18

for somebody like me half the top

1:04:20

people whose that the gets be based on how long have

1:04:22

you read article

1:04:23

the navy resort to clip they saw the headline

1:04:26

and he said at damn stephen a he go

1:04:28

again and a do stuff like that

1:04:31

i accept that i understand that it comes

1:04:33

to territory understand a reserve with existence

1:04:36

and a mana day player has to understand

1:04:38

it too because they want to if you want to utilize

1:04:40

something utilize your advantage your have to recognize

1:04:43

it's detriment you have an obligation

1:04:45

to

1:04:46

this leads right into i think a

1:04:48

really important topic that i wanted to ask

1:04:51

you about and that's just this this

1:04:54

wave of

1:04:56

if we driven content athletes owning

1:04:58

and having their own platforms are of

1:05:00

course draymond with

1:05:02

this ah catchphrase

1:05:04

if you will have the new media to do media

1:05:07

arm say like arm disease

1:05:09

to provide some sort prefer personal opinion

1:05:12

on this the olympic

1:05:14

athlete driven content will ever

1:05:16

replace traditional journalists or traditional

1:05:19

reporters who are great

1:05:21

i think about how you start

1:05:24

you get you need to beat writer

1:05:26

you need reporter says i need a very

1:05:29

scary experience yet hosts ah

1:05:31

i'm so it's the media's

1:05:34

a welcome addition and and of course

1:05:36

i'm i'm admittedly a

1:05:38

little biased a national course it's

1:05:40

a welcome addition by do want to get your perspective

1:05:42

on it i love

1:05:44

love the fact that athletes have a

1:05:46

this outlet i have i

1:05:50

have a career spanning twenty years web

1:05:52

and five abv these my dog or

1:05:54

as wagon call amount because i'm

1:05:56

quick to sit up the as a okay here's what i've done

1:05:58

on this for you

1:06:01

use what you pointed about something this matters

1:06:03

this much when off supportive

1:06:06

off stuff that matters does much while

1:06:08

much while to have the objectivity in

1:06:10

order to pull that off and i don't

1:06:12

have it if i can never disagree with you so

1:06:15

let's understand that and will you look

1:06:17

at athletes today the are so

1:06:19

many athletes that are highly intelligent

1:06:22

incredibly accomplished more

1:06:24

importantly was hot and the right place particularly

1:06:27

because of what they endured and

1:06:29

the fact that they have an opportunity to

1:06:31

disseminate that message is something

1:06:34

that pleases me the fact that they

1:06:36

see something that

1:06:38

can be an outlet any the extension

1:06:40

of the a career something beyond the a player korea's

1:06:42

that they can monetize the their benefits is

1:06:45

of the we should all what what are you once you want

1:06:47

that that the handful of athletes that

1:06:49

make and nine and you know eight

1:06:51

and nine figure salaries or what have what do you

1:06:54

want them to do be done at age thirty five wonder

1:06:57

what the hell they gonna do with the rest day life while

1:06:59

the rest of us are out here work

1:07:01

it's certainly we may not

1:07:03

make the money that out that few of them

1:07:05

have made in our lifetimes

1:07:08

but the point is we have something to do

1:07:10

and we have a direction and we have a focus and

1:07:13

it preoccupies our mind and

1:07:15

spirit as such a way that

1:07:17

it aspires us to march forward and

1:07:19

a move forward as opposed to that last

1:07:21

athlete wondering what the what the hell are they don't

1:07:23

do with the rest of the like why should any of

1:07:25

us one so i'm incredibly

1:07:28

supportive of athletes haven't

1:07:30

that voice and expressing

1:07:32

it this understand all that

1:07:34

comes with

1:07:36

i understand a good the bad and the potential

1:07:38

ugly that comes along with it and

1:07:40

be willing to accept that all if

1:07:42

you're gonna venture into that's my

1:07:44

only criteria are thought of that knock

1:07:46

yourself out which is why i've often said

1:07:49

look either i remember one time

1:07:51

le bron had me speak in akron it

1:07:53

at a one of his camps and you

1:07:55

know colby had become one time and i

1:07:58

was talking the godly like you know when to you the aleppo

1:08:00

lose in sf a y'all always

1:08:02

they will i why the

1:08:05

we come the ya ask ya for your time every

1:08:07

day hello to your car drags was

1:08:09

taught the meta whatever the bottom line is i

1:08:11

don't know of a single athletes who has an extended

1:08:13

themselves to give tom others that

1:08:15

he didn't have to get the

1:08:18

least a week do is do

1:08:20

the same as so i always brought

1:08:22

myself and don't and i always promise of a support

1:08:24

an athlete having a voice and i'll never

1:08:26

deviate from edges know what you're talking about and

1:08:28

know what the consequences are if you don't

1:08:31

the

1:08:33

i think it's yeah i i agree with all

1:08:35

that and i i think the the second

1:08:37

chapter part of every athletes live

1:08:40

is very difficult when they retire it's a

1:08:42

it is like a death yeah i'm having

1:08:44

chest gone through it of the last year and

1:08:46

so the monetization a you know if if

1:08:49

it is he in in the media space is

1:08:51

obviously important i i do think as

1:08:53

it relates to the media space a

1:08:55

having having perspective i'm

1:08:58

having a narrative and a discourse

1:09:00

that comes from experience

1:09:03

to go up against

1:09:05

a journalist or a a poor i think that's

1:09:07

important make i get it goes like we're

1:09:09

all shaped by our own experience our opinions

1:09:12

often times are shaped by an experience in

1:09:14

so it's i think it's whether

1:09:16

it is draymond or cj mccollum who's

1:09:18

been here the last couple days like being

1:09:20

able to get their perspective on things provides

1:09:23

balance and course we go to any sport is right

1:09:25

now there's athletes all over the world who

1:09:28

who are owning and and driving their

1:09:30

own platforms you're not wrong

1:09:33

the only thing that i would say to huge ages understand

1:09:35

everybody you the

1:09:37

what i mean by that is that you

1:09:40

have the ability to go up against

1:09:43

traditional conventional journalist

1:09:45

and give our perspective that's

1:09:48

all the eleven even

1:09:50

though the of perspective is totally

1:09:52

different than yours and most yours and

1:09:54

oftentimes wrong the say whatever

1:09:56

you say right now the bottom line

1:09:58

is the perspective that you provide

1:10:02

you have the ability to articulated

1:10:04

in a way that we articulate our thoughts

1:10:06

and that's okay but where you have

1:10:09

people that will

1:10:11

come at you as a you know they are you

1:10:13

talking about why because

1:10:15

you never play it doesn't cut

1:10:17

it and you know what i've said because

1:10:20

you got a lot of guys that have podcast

1:10:22

got a lotta guys that have visited a lot of these are they've

1:10:24

come to me asking me for advice for crying out loud

1:10:26

and terms as does business and i've often

1:10:28

said to them were you say stuff like that you

1:10:31

take your insulting me you

1:10:34

don't realize you are ready last debate

1:10:37

the resulting the audience the

1:10:39

data please the

1:10:41

when you say that you think you're talking

1:10:44

to me so you know you

1:10:46

talk at a ninety nine percent of the population

1:10:48

out the corn fortunate to be

1:10:50

the less than one percent that you are the

1:10:53

played on slow the way

1:10:55

your cry is ah played

1:10:57

you did it you don't understand missile

1:10:59

let me explain and blah blah blah blah

1:11:01

blah the audience like would

1:11:03

argue that you really don't

1:11:06

i use organise we watch we got to as

1:11:08

we saw what you did now granted they don't know which

1:11:10

you know but an essay breath

1:11:12

when you articulate it that way i've already

1:11:14

been because the objective is

1:11:16

to be heard not just listen to

1:11:18

they're gonna hear me because i'm speaking

1:11:21

a language they're ignoring you

1:11:23

because you spoke against the language and

1:11:26

i know that

1:11:27

so i've got laugh and a moment so body does

1:11:29

that you already law students you don't you already

1:11:32

lost and i'm i'm

1:11:34

and cognisant of that pot of

1:11:36

communication is understanding who you're communicating

1:11:38

with we're reaching keeping

1:11:42

them there

1:11:43

and i know how to do that at every debating

1:11:46

questions thing with his return widows early in this not

1:11:48

even just with athletes in general going back

1:11:50

to the beginning of your career isn't we talk about

1:11:52

with other players a lot about

1:11:54

when they are

1:11:56

either often severe defensively when they see their

1:11:58

opponent if they can like see fears the rise

1:12:00

in a setting them up of they can tell right away

1:12:03

oh you like i got this person i'm in their heads

1:12:05

when you're debating somebody and the

1:12:07

and you know you're debating them and they don't have it

1:12:09

can you tell right can you tell right away to

1:12:11

like it or not a little pony up blood

1:12:14

the me personally

1:12:17

that's where the human side of am i get own

1:12:19

you are good on you if

1:12:22

you know what you're talking about i

1:12:25

just disagree if i know

1:12:27

you're clueless if i know

1:12:29

that you just don't have the ability

1:12:32

to you know valley back

1:12:34

and forth against be verbally pick

1:12:36

that up right away and out dial it back

1:12:39

you could imagine the be down and i'm really not

1:12:41

trying to do that i'm trying to make

1:12:43

my argument more profound the yours

1:12:46

i'm not trying to embarrass i'm not trying

1:12:48

to reach i'm not gonna let you v allow

1:12:50

you to be viewed as somebody who

1:12:52

doesn't even belong sitting across the set

1:12:54

for me when i'm the one that gave the okay

1:12:56

for you to sit across from me to begin with

1:12:59

i'm not doing that to you i'm gonna protect

1:13:01

the people that own show what me i've got

1:13:03

the a bat we disagree on a subject

1:13:06

but what's not gonna happen is that you're

1:13:08

gonna leave the show when everybody's gonna

1:13:10

be attack his youth and i'm a leave you to

1:13:12

stand near by yourself when i was the one

1:13:14

who will kgb in on the shelf for

1:13:17

some sort of people my show in the people that are work

1:13:19

within the people that have spar and against

1:13:21

me verbal and stuff like that they're my teammates and

1:13:24

so i'm gonna treat them as such i'm

1:13:26

always going to do that or , i've gotta

1:13:28

go on our max kellerman this

1:13:30

justin this seven minutes your

1:13:33

so i do want to fit a shot

1:13:35

with ah the fact that you

1:13:37

for seven months now have

1:13:39

said lawyers and win the championship how are you feeling

1:13:41

we're recording this i'm lunar to say

1:13:43

be somewhere hundred and thirty i'd be nobody

1:13:45

a zero i'm excited to be nervous

1:13:48

i'm a list since the you got the boss

1:13:50

assault is what are the championship i don't blame

1:13:52

you want bit want pretty damn good their

1:13:54

an elite defensive tea or we know

1:13:56

what they bring to the it into the equation offensively

1:13:58

and if we didn't know what we got

1:14:00

the would listen to you and will know because you

1:14:02

told us numerous times he absolutely

1:14:04

right i've just taken the

1:14:06

warriors with that experience

1:14:09

with their marksmanship they

1:14:12

should be able to win this series but

1:14:14

i will openly confess

1:14:16

i honestly don't know who i would have picked

1:14:19

had i not be a rod and a war we as all

1:14:21

year long they'll fact that has a thought it off

1:14:23

the see that you have a will have to

1:14:25

spend my of i'm not jumping off the ship

1:14:27

i'm not doing it on stay right

1:14:30

where i've been all year long and

1:14:32

of i got the go down i gotta go to credit to you and i

1:14:34

gave you credit or are you know when they made

1:14:36

the yes with a made the finals read

1:14:38

i one of my first times

1:14:40

on the show i told you to

1:14:42

have to slow the fuck down with the warriors

1:14:44

talk they were as he won

1:14:47

that over time fits into the season

1:14:49

and i was like easy boss me a letter as and

1:14:51

of tell you what i'm doing so i'm probably gonna read

1:14:53

call it the saw that as yes i did they

1:14:55

take their spoken by submitting mess of yes

1:14:58

i said call it okay because

1:15:00

at this is a crime with jj did

1:15:02

not make no sense

1:15:04

i love jj of rhyme is a

1:15:06

crime of get rid see what their crime is i've

1:15:08

loved jj for years because the

1:15:11

the matches suit and is very very few

1:15:13

people who could shoot off the moved

1:15:15

away to did i put that was a big big

1:15:17

deal because you took a lot of pressure off

1:15:19

you know your backcourt mates to out the years because

1:15:22

of your ability to do that as as mopey

1:15:24

i don't see how the hell is he of all people

1:15:27

not see what i'm saying and

1:15:29

how would he not getting this

1:15:31

because if you're jj redick you supposed

1:15:33

to see this clearer than me but

1:15:36

somehow some way now you're going

1:15:38

on with the scenic science reporter was been

1:15:40

exposed as you are all in with a decision

1:15:42

you will have an asset zealot lists us

1:15:44

absence right now what dallas did to them

1:15:47

i thought go to state was going to do them in about

1:15:49

five or six games that's fair

1:15:51

that's what i thought was gonna happen to the other

1:15:54

day they came as with they can say whatever they want

1:15:56

they will be phoenix out with of is is this

1:15:58

is where i died about him

1:16:00

his quite a camera youve youve

1:16:02

for trying the as

1:16:05

, when have are are

1:16:09

, how episode they lived a

1:16:11

you youve get to voice get

1:16:13

series tick the with not

1:16:15

tick the a of

1:16:18

the a tick the wants of the man

1:16:20

a say get a beginnings

1:16:22

the players about get some when the with

1:16:25

a nature the the wants a with series

1:16:30

his on tick you to some

1:16:33

get to series face not is on trying

1:16:36

to say but when lived

1:16:38

how jj makes

1:16:41

people his quite and with

1:16:44

game to this of on time

1:16:47

and lived jj man plans about

1:16:49

this what time pay the of

1:16:51

little see of

1:16:53

lived welcome to my added

1:16:56

the ceo i loved affected shall

1:16:58

suffer like this as it makes me it makes you see

1:17:00

almost as though and that we're we're talking about

1:17:03

this with great yes read some of this though

1:17:06

we unite and i probably did this to we

1:17:08

now have lumped

1:17:11

essentially traditional media we as

1:17:13

players we have loved traditional media

1:17:16

the aggregate media which is

1:17:18

the worst night of media yes and

1:17:20

social me like aggregate media is worse than

1:17:22

social media the biggest we've loved all

1:17:24

three of those things so all the people

1:17:26

with attila eight seven four six

1:17:28

to twitter handles yes who make negative

1:17:30

comments that's media coach points

1:17:33

terrible website that website media traditional

1:17:36

media that's all media when when we

1:17:38

talk about being misquoted or misrepresented

1:17:42

we're taking out what may happen on this

1:17:44

side of media on social media threat or an

1:17:46

aggregate media on traditional

1:17:48

meet exactly and and i hold the athletes accountable

1:17:50

know that because you have an opportunity

1:17:52

to cultivate relationships in life

1:17:54

everything's about relationships every day

1:17:57

is about as it's i've never known jj to

1:17:59

ways that

1:18:00

you know each other now he knows he can call

1:18:02

me now i know i can call him now you know of

1:18:04

loot numerous players in the n b a and a

1:18:06

foul major league baseball and others a slight

1:18:09

wait a minute here you you know i never thought i'd

1:18:11

have to really see what alex rodriguez that i

1:18:13

you know i never thought that i'd be in a restaurant

1:18:15

the four seasons as somebody say produce

1:18:17

his miserables derek jeter waiting to say

1:18:19

hello to you son of a sort of what happened for the

1:18:21

you don't have science or are you know michael jordan

1:18:24

is on speed dial and magic and all of these

1:18:26

other guess i never thought that that would happen but at

1:18:28

the end of the day as

1:18:30

an athlete you are empowered to

1:18:32

cultivate though relationships

1:18:34

with anybody this relatively decent

1:18:37

you can't come to me and to i don't give

1:18:39

a damn what any bias or know how was raised on

1:18:42

never go lodhi about you on purpose

1:18:45

i'm never gonna know something is wrong as

1:18:47

say it publicly i'm never going to put

1:18:49

your personal business out in the street for

1:18:51

no reason he's i'm never gonna do

1:18:53

things like the i would never do something like debts

1:18:56

of have players that have said appears is sorry

1:18:58

mother fucker can't bear to as and

1:19:01

a month later on the journal the

1:19:03

my would you need the understand

1:19:06

you mad and a moment whatever cares

1:19:08

at the end of the day i want

1:19:10

us all the i want us all the

1:19:12

be successful i've never rooted against

1:19:15

an athlete in my life because

1:19:17

i understand what they doing

1:19:19

what they go against i'm sensitive to it and

1:19:21

i gotta love for them for and i'm always going to be here but

1:19:23

in the same breath

1:19:25

i'm gonna tell the truth as i see it as

1:19:27

it pertains to your performance

1:19:30

that's it

1:19:32

anything else you can talk to me about except

1:19:34

for what you do or front of millions

1:19:36

of people watch it or television as not

1:19:39

a twenty thousand people in attendance that

1:19:41

on go about what i saw

1:19:43

fair enough similar we appreciate

1:19:45

the times a day

1:19:48

the so everybody knows the you

1:19:50

tube audience and and goddesses it for

1:19:52

listeners we we had a record us

1:19:54

in two different segments that's why there was a chair switch

1:19:56

says what they wanted to sit above us

1:19:58

know how as he wants

1:20:00

on his throne wouldn't be comfortable as did

1:20:03

, talk on the for twenty minutes about

1:20:05

power this is all about power through

1:20:07

but i stated with that are we that this narrative we'll

1:20:10

do it because of his pocket of she says

1:20:12

a baby but