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From BBC Radio 4, this is

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Things Fell Apart, season two. In

0:50

the weeks before George Floyd's murder

0:52

just days into lockdown, a culture

0:54

war was starting to simmer about

0:56

the pandemic itself, whether COVID

0:59

was a deadly threat or a

1:01

plot by governments to control us

1:03

and our bodies. This

1:05

story is about a moment that suddenly

1:07

took this debate to tens of millions

1:10

of people. I

1:13

think it was in early May 2020 and

1:15

a colleague sent me a link to this video

1:18

and I remember thinking, oh no,

1:20

why is she getting involved in this? You

1:23

have to assume that some

1:25

people died as a result of it. But

1:28

the story begins with a chance

1:30

encounter between a bartender and a

1:33

customer at a yacht club in

1:35

Ventura, California in 2006. The

1:42

bartender's name was Judy Mykovich.

1:45

She'd worked for over 20 years as

1:47

a staff scientist at the National Cancer

1:49

Institute in Maryland, where she

1:51

earned a PhD in biochemistry

1:53

and molecular biology. Although

1:57

Judy wasn't widely known in the

1:59

scientific community. She had authored 40

2:01

papers, but when she met her husband-to-be

2:04

David, she gave it all up and

2:06

moved to California So

2:09

you moved for love? Yes, so I moved for

2:11

love. My David was a

2:13

big teddy bear. He just lived pure

2:15

love You couldn't make that man unhappy

2:19

So one thing that you

2:22

did was you started spending quite a lot

2:24

of time at the local Yacht Club Pure

2:29

Ponte Bay Yacht Club and yeah, we joined

2:31

the Yacht Club My David's like, no, I

2:34

don't want anything to do with a yacht

2:36

club and I'm like, no, honey. It's not

2:38

like that They don't wear ties. They're not

2:41

stuffy. They're like us. So we were just

2:43

the friendliest little sailing club Since

2:46

it's a volunteer yacht club everybody

2:48

volunteered to do something I'm

2:51

a chemist so obviously I can

2:54

make a drink So were you like

2:56

Tom Cruise in cocktail like with cocktail

2:58

shakers doing fancy things? Absolutely.

3:00

We were called the Martini sisters

3:02

me my friend Robin and Martha.

3:04

We just had a blast Given

3:10

Judy's background and expertise in

3:12

science, what she tended to was

3:15

she chatted to the customers about

3:17

viruses and lot And

3:19

given her credentials people listened. Oh,

3:22

yes I absolutely talked about not

3:24

just viruses but curing cancer curing

3:26

AIDS Yeah, everybody knew

3:29

who I was and

3:31

something happened one day at

3:33

the Yacht Club You were

3:35

making drinks and a couple

3:37

of people came in and this chance

3:39

encounter just this chance conversation Really

3:42

changed your life. Ah, yes

3:46

The Yacht Club Judy had got chatting to

3:48

an accountant for a very rich woman with

3:50

a very sick daughter The

3:52

woman was friends with another very wealthy

3:54

couple who also had a very sick

3:57

daughter They had a

3:59

similar Age daughter who was

4:01

bed ridden very very ill.

4:04

Simply to very wealthy were

4:06

meant with a passion. To

4:09

heal their children. Couple

4:14

of out a met and half and with them

4:16

off. Half he was a lawyer from

4:18

the far as gaming industry. And

4:20

that daughter was sex with

4:23

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Cfs. It

4:25

was feeling stopped off at the

4:28

medical establishment who enabling the condition

4:30

yuppie slew. But.

4:32

A network to was convinced

4:34

due. To.

4:38

The have never heard of chronic

4:40

Fatigue syndrome. Had a passion for

4:42

science. Twenty years experience at the

4:44

National Cancer Institutes was it worked

4:46

on treatments for Hiv and so

4:48

she agreed to meet the winter

4:50

most. Flew

4:52

to Reno and it became friends.

4:58

In those early days for the first met

5:00

to Wichita spoke with a like his people

5:02

and what was that lifestyle like they were?

5:04

It's very very. Christians but

5:06

lavish spending like we've never seen.

5:09

it was embarrassing. It times they

5:11

would fly me to a basketball

5:13

game because they knew I loved

5:16

sports. We felt blessed to. We

5:18

felt his home we sell like

5:21

family. All I knew

5:23

is that their child was sick and it

5:25

didn't matter how much money you add they

5:27

would have given it all to get their

5:29

child. Well. This

5:32

poor child was so sick. You

5:34

couldn't brush your teeth and take a shower

5:36

on. The same day, it's just too much

5:38

energy. One. Day in two

5:40

Thousand and Six Two Dates with is

5:43

a golf course at Whitmore Zones on

5:45

a net turn to Husband. And

5:49

she basically said harvey, you can't

5:51

let her leave You know of,

5:53

find a way to cheaper here

5:55

Cells Harvey said well what do

5:57

you want. But is how duty

5:59

when something. Volunteer bartender to the

6:01

research director of a new medical

6:04

institute very well funded by the

6:06

Which Most and tasked with finding

6:08

a cure for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

6:13

Back in two thousand and six

6:15

I was a college students and

6:17

looking for work for the summer.

6:19

I salads a job listing on

6:22

Craig's list. This

6:25

is I would ensue job

6:27

listings an intern position working

6:29

under today and Assad is

6:31

brand new with the more

6:33

Peterson Institute. She

6:38

was trying to find a research

6:40

direction with chronic Fatigue Syndrome. We

6:42

didn't have a clear idea of

6:45

what was causing the disease and

6:47

a lot the time it was

6:49

a stance brainstorming, just dousing off

6:52

ideas. It wasn't very structured. Still,

6:55

Live in like two days and a

6:57

husband David. And have good

7:00

memories of the most. Sitting around

7:02

to fire pit of the which

7:04

most lavish homes and the banks

7:06

of Lake Tahoe, I remember that

7:09

David talked for Judy very fondly.

7:11

Davis said that Judy is a

7:13

great mentor to seem to be

7:16

very knowledgeable, very affable and talkative.

7:25

The Instituto de been going for three

7:27

years when and two thousand and nine

7:29

to two at it breaks. She

7:33

discovered something totally unexpected in

7:35

the blood samples or chronic

7:37

Fatigue syndrome. Cfs patients have

7:40

had been studying. Something

7:42

no one had ever noticed before. It

7:45

was so extraordinary at the

7:47

journal Science agreed to publish

7:49

a findings. It

7:52

published Oct eight, two thousand

7:54

and nine in. It really

7:56

was this shot heard around

7:58

the world. I

8:04

first. Heard. Of Duty Mike

8:06

of It's a Two Thousand Nine

8:08

when she and her colleagues published

8:10

a paper in science that linked

8:13

very little known far as schools

8:15

Xmrv to this condition, Chronic Fatigue

8:17

Syndrome or next movie is a

8:19

mouse virus right? Yes, it's a

8:22

very little known mouse related virus.

8:25

This. Is Martin and sent his

8:27

deputy news editor science a slicing

8:29

and infectious Diseases. So what they

8:31

found was that about two thirds

8:34

of the see if a spacious

8:36

of they looked at had Xmrv

8:38

in their blood and among a

8:40

group of healthy controls. stuff says.

8:43

Around three percent. As.

8:46

Three percent up asymptomatic

8:49

carrying around passing around

8:51

and infectious disease. So.

8:55

Even though they didn't say Xmrv

8:58

cause chronic Fatigue syndrome, it's certainly

9:00

looked like a very solid link

9:02

and this was like a major

9:05

breakthrough moment. Fair people with chronic

9:07

steaks and dramatic. Ready

9:10

to understand the threats. It's always

9:12

been a bustling disease to scientists.

9:15

It's very severe, it's debilitating, it

9:17

can ruin people's lives, and it's

9:19

quite a month and yet we

9:22

don't know what causes it. So

9:24

finding that. It. Might be caused

9:26

by a virus My be an infectious disease.

9:28

Really? That was a big deal. Yes, It.

9:31

Would be huge for patients because if

9:33

they had a virus you could start

9:35

thinking about treatments. So very early on

9:38

people began seeing her of us as

9:40

a savior. Harvey

9:48

would introduce needs. As saving his

9:51

daughter's life you know we. Were just

9:53

heroes in a that. So

9:56

how big a deal is it to get

9:58

a paper published in Science? getting published

10:00

in Science can feel like hitting the

10:03

jackpot. It's a big deal. Welcome to

10:05

Nevada Newsmakers on the program today. A

10:07

life-changing discovery from the Whitimore Peterson Institute.

10:10

You will be astounded on the program

10:12

today. Annette Whitimore and Judy Mikovitz. I

10:14

saw an interview that you did around

10:17

the same time that the Science paper

10:19

was published. It was you and Annette.

10:21

And the two of you looked so

10:24

excited. Your eyes were shining. Well, of

10:26

course, it's what you worked since you were 10

10:29

years old. And back on Nevada

10:31

Newsmakers, we are thrilled to welcome the program.

10:33

Annette Whitimore, she's the president and founder of

10:35

the Whitimore Peterson Institute. I can't think of

10:37

a more exciting program I've done because what

10:39

we're about to talk about is world-shattering news.

10:42

I was absolutely thrilled. This is exactly what

10:44

we started out to do. The exciting thing

10:46

is that Judy can tell you how the

10:49

virus works, and every one

10:51

of the symptoms makes sense because of

10:53

that. So, yeah, we were excited.

10:56

We were happy because we knew we

10:58

could heal people who had been sick

11:00

a long time. That was my entire

11:03

life work, and I could pass on

11:05

the knowledge and retire at 55, as

11:08

I'd planned to do with my husband, the day

11:11

we got married. So, yeah, we were excited.

11:13

What has been the result of the medical community? It's

11:16

been phenomenal. The scientific community has

11:18

just been over the top. Yeah,

11:21

we presented these data three times, and

11:24

you could hear a pin drop in

11:26

the audience. It's amazement. The scientists are

11:29

excited. Everyone's working on it. It's an

11:31

entire new field of medicine. Now,

11:37

did you fit into the scientific

11:39

community, Judy and the institute?

11:41

Were they seen as like outliers? I

11:43

think it's fair to say that very

11:45

few people in the biomedical community had

11:47

ever heard of Judy Mike of its

11:50

scientific career and not been very

11:52

remarkable. And the same is

11:55

true for the Withermore Peterson Institute. I had never

11:57

heard of it. I think almost nobody had. It

11:59

was a new... institute

12:01

out in Nevada. I

12:03

mean here these people were not

12:05

scientists to launch a new Institute and

12:08

boom within two or three years they

12:10

have a major finding that looks like

12:12

it can change everything. One

12:17

reason why Judy was being taken seriously was

12:19

because her paper had 13 authors.

12:23

Five were from the Whittemore Peterson

12:25

Institute but others were from the

12:27

National Cancer Institute and the Cleveland

12:29

Clinic. So it was not

12:31

just Judy it was a whole group of

12:33

people even though she spearheaded the effort and

12:36

I think too many scientists that gave the

12:38

paper more credibility. But

12:42

amid the celebration something a little odd

12:44

was going on. Take

12:46

the morning after science published Judy's

12:49

paper. The BBC's Nikki Campbell

12:51

and Sheila Fogarty interviewed her and

12:53

one of her researchers on five

12:55

lives. When you listen it

12:57

all seems quite normal. This affects about a

12:59

quarter of a million people in Britain and

13:02

for decades it has defied

13:04

a rational medical explanation. So

13:07

recognition is one thing and finding the cause

13:09

is another if indeed that is what you

13:11

have done. What about finding a cure? Finding

13:14

cure is of course at the forefront

13:16

of our mind. We're looking for treatment

13:19

and hopefully relieve the symptoms of ME

13:22

and CFS. Thank

13:24

you very much indeed. Both of

13:26

you. It's 7.59. And who's John with the

13:28

weather? Judy

13:30

later wrote in her memoir Plague that

13:33

the presenters mocked and patronized them and

13:35

to retaliate they started talking in a

13:37

faux British accent like a chiding nanny

13:40

and when the BBC realised that they

13:42

were being laughed at they hastily cut

13:44

away to the weather. But

13:47

as he just heard that didn't happen.

13:49

It was strange and Byron

13:52

said he had noticed something else

13:54

small but still a little strange

13:56

about Judy. I remember one

13:58

time I was driving Judy to probably

14:00

in over one hour drive. And the

14:02

whole time she was talking nonstop. I

14:05

don't recall her ever stopping speaking.

14:08

Now I don't want to malign people who never

14:10

stopped talking, but that's a

14:12

little self-involved. Yes, I

14:15

would say it's a person who

14:17

talks endlessly for hours that's

14:20

had a little bit of narcissistic

14:22

tendencies. So

14:25

the paper is published in

14:28

Science. Then what happened?

14:30

Very soon, people started trying to

14:32

replicate this finding. So they took

14:34

another population of CFS patients

14:36

and they started looking for the same virus

14:40

and they all came up empty-handed.

14:43

And people trying to replicate her findings,

14:45

were those like big operations? Yes, it

14:47

was multiple millions of dollars. The scary

14:49

part was that if Judy was right,

14:52

XMRV was also in 3% of

14:54

healthy people, which meant across the United

14:56

States, about 10 million people walking around

14:58

with this virus. The US

15:01

governments decided to spend a lot of

15:03

money on these studies because if XMRV

15:05

was spreading in the community, everybody

15:07

agreed that they needed to get to the bottom of

15:09

this. And

15:13

everyone came up empty-handed. Nobody

15:16

could replicate Judy's findings. It

15:19

became an avalanche, one study after

15:21

another. So what did Judy say about

15:23

that? Well, Judy stuck

15:26

to her guns. After every paper, she

15:29

said, well, they didn't quite do it the

15:31

right way or they didn't use the exact

15:33

same techniques that we did. And that increasingly

15:35

started annoying other scientists. They

15:37

thought she was moving the

15:40

goalposts. It

15:42

wasn't that they couldn't reproduce

15:44

our findings, it's that they

15:46

wouldn't reproduce our findings. Never

15:48

once did they try to

15:50

do our work the

15:53

way it was done in the paper.

15:55

When you replicate a study, you do

15:58

exactly what they do. They

16:00

didn't want to know. What

16:30

did she say? Labs

17:01

all over the world routinely

17:03

acquire for their experiments lab-grown

17:05

cells called cell lines. Maybe

17:08

the XMRV had contaminated the cell lines

17:10

that Judy was using in her lab.

17:13

So the virus infected cell

17:15

lines, and so many labs had

17:18

XMRV sort of floating

17:20

around in their research materials. But

17:22

it's questionable whether it ever infected a

17:25

single human being. So there's

17:27

no suggestion of foul play here. This seems

17:29

to have been like a genuine mistake. I

17:31

think so. I don't think it was foul play, no.

17:34

The lab owners, the Whittemores, were

17:37

growing very worried that nobody could

17:39

stand up Judy's findings. Their

17:42

relationship was deteriorating. They

17:44

argued over a cell line that Annette

17:46

wanted Judy to hand over to a

17:49

former colleague. Annette

17:51

Whittemore calls me. I'm standing in

17:53

shorts and a T-shirt, and she

17:55

said, I Understand you

17:57

have the cell lines. Wind

18:00

and I said i have

18:02

the cell lines but. He's.

18:04

Not getting it. To

18:07

the wasn't quite clear with me why she

18:09

was refusing to hand over the cell line.

18:12

And I got the sense that by

18:14

them cyclone mistrustful have anyone to my

18:17

out her findings. And she

18:19

got desperate and she's screaming I said

18:21

no, he's not getting the cell line.

18:23

Yes, it's in the freezer. Yes, I

18:26

know where it is. Yes, you don't

18:28

get it's, get out loud. Love us

18:30

She said I'm tired of your insubordination.

18:34

Good firing you for your. Insolence

18:36

in insubordination. Of

18:40

to do with foods. Things move

18:42

just. Sort. Of asserts notebooks

18:44

back from the lab says she was

18:46

worried that they would be tampered with.

18:49

Know that she'd been set out

18:51

of reach. Cause

18:53

of search max. Masses

18:56

resourceful young man and he

18:58

got into the less. It's

19:01

about one in the morning.

19:03

I said max, you've got

19:05

to protect that data to

19:07

secure that data. So he

19:09

took the notebooks any killed

19:11

some somewhere home or his

19:13

mother's. House when the with most

19:15

discovered that the notebooks with gone

19:17

be filed a civil lawsuits against

19:20

today the breach of contract. A

19:23

few days later, Reno police

19:25

issued an arrest warrants against

19:27

jews and listing two felony

19:29

charges: possession of stolen property

19:31

and unlawful taking a factor.

19:35

This. Must have been of sorry. Caressing.

19:37

Time see you will show our it

19:40

was very frightening. We.

19:44

Call my friend Rob and who had a boat

19:46

in the harbor and I said robin is your

19:48

boat unlocked and she said yeah Judy it always

19:50

is and I said okay, can I stay on

19:52

it for a few days. So

19:55

now Judy was on the run. hiding

19:57

are when a bunch. So the police.

20:00

The new charge to date

20:02

with. Now a fugitive from

20:04

justice, it was terrifying. The

20:06

playing of the riggings. I didn't know

20:08

who was gonna come down there. stay

20:10

at. This was the most terrifying time

20:12

of my life that. Was the worst

20:15

week and for three days. Science:

20:17

The Journal. Was on the phone saying retract

20:19

her tracks attempt and I said no. Use

20:22

Me Science only be trucks the paper one

20:24

school. The authors agree that it should be.

20:28

At the time the to do was hiding out

20:30

on the bugs must have a couple of this

20:32

had agreed. Not to. There's.

20:35

Still, Science went ahead anyway.

20:38

He retracted. It's definitely not

20:40

the first time.a paper gets retracted. it

20:42

happens to some of the most famous

20:45

scientist. It's not the end of the

20:47

world, it maybe a little things for

20:49

baresi, but it's also the waistlines works.

20:52

People. Get over it and they move on. And

20:54

he could have gone that way for judas papers.

20:56

Well, But instead the

20:58

opposite. And that's right. Everything.

21:01

began to unravel. Are professional

21:03

and her personal life where in grades were

21:05

born. Duty Spent four days

21:07

hiding out on the boats and

21:10

she went home with rest. I.

21:12

Was plenty and neat. suicide watch

21:14

lanes. They do everything they can

21:17

to do their little body cavity

21:19

searches and humiliate you. You have

21:22

nothing but solid cinder block. you

21:24

have no blanket, you know, pillow

21:26

because of course you'll commit suicide.

21:29

I was in his cell with

21:31

a drug addict to spoke no

21:33

English, was vomiting and had diarrhea

21:36

nonstop. So I was essentially in

21:38

solitary confinement for five days. Swimming.

21:42

Days in jail as scientists the bus have

21:44

been a low point in her career and

21:46

in your life. It was a terrible thing.

21:50

You. Honestly, don't say it saying. It.

21:53

Really wasn't until. The last day when

21:55

I was shackled to a lady hands

21:57

and see in the little bus or.

22:00

in a courthouse, she kind of softened

22:02

me up a bit and said, what

22:04

are you really here for? And I told

22:06

her I was a scientist, and she said

22:08

to the guards, she stole her own brain.

22:12

In Judy's memoir, Plague, she writes

22:14

about those days, quote,

22:17

anything which kept patients with chronic

22:19

fatigue syndrome a single day longer

22:22

in their darkened room, or

22:24

they put an honest scientist in jail, could

22:27

only go by a simple name, evil.

22:32

I think it must have been an important development

22:34

in her life that must have shaped her. Also,

22:38

it's very expensive to defend yourself

22:40

in court. So I believe she

22:42

went bankrupt at some point, everything

22:44

collapsed around her. I

22:46

filed bankruptcy, we lost

22:48

everything. Her findings

22:50

were found to be scientifically

22:52

invalid. She stole lab data

22:54

from her former employer. I

22:57

mean, who would want to hire somebody with

22:59

such a track record? I

23:01

believe Judy's ego was shattered

23:03

by the incident. In

23:09

the end, the charges against Judy

23:11

were dropped after the Whittemaws were

23:13

themselves embroiled in scandal. Harvey

23:16

was jailed for two years for

23:18

breaking federal campaign contribution laws. And

23:21

after that, Judy drifted from view.

23:26

But unbeknownst to the medical community, she

23:28

was brooding. Between

23:30

the unreplicatable paper, the scandal over

23:32

the retraction, but

23:35

mostly the unnecessarily cruel arrest

23:37

and jailing, you

23:39

can see how she felt that the world had turned against

23:41

her. I think if

23:44

Judy was narcissistically inclined, these

23:46

were wounds that wouldn't heal. She

23:49

was turning, looking for a new community.

23:56

Cut eight years later, and suddenly... She's

24:01

everywhere. She's viral. Yes, yes, she

24:03

went viral. I think it was

24:05

in early May 2020, and a

24:07

colleague sent me a link to this video, a

24:09

pandemic. And

24:13

I remember thinking, oh no. Dr.

24:17

Judy Mykowitz has been called one of the

24:19

most accomplished scientists of her generation. At

24:22

the height of her career, Dr. Mykowitz published

24:24

a blockbuster article in the journal,

24:26

Science. The controversial article

24:28

sent shockwaves to the scientific community as

24:31

it revealed that the common use of

24:33

animal and human fetal tissues were unleashing

24:35

devastating plagues of chronic diseases. For

24:38

exposing their deadly secrets, the minions of

24:40

Big Pharma waged war on Dr. Mykowitz,

24:43

destroying her good name, career, and

24:45

personal life. Now,

24:48

as the fate of nations hang in the bones, Dr.

24:51

Mykowitz is naming names of those behind the

24:53

plague of corruption that places all human life

24:55

in danger. This is

24:58

filmmaker, Mickey Willis, interviewing Judy

25:00

for his documentary, Plan-demic, The

25:02

Hidden Agenda Behind COVID-19, released

25:05

on May the 4th, 2020. Tens

25:09

of millions of viewers, Plan-demic was

25:11

the first thing to challenge the

25:13

narrative about COVID and lockdown, the

25:16

first major viral moment of somebody

25:18

saying, what you're living through isn't

25:21

what you think. In

25:24

the film, Judy presents herself as

25:27

a martyred truth-teller, jailed by a

25:29

corrupt medical establishment that was now

25:32

turning its evil on us all.

25:35

So you made a discovery that conflicted

25:37

with the agreed upon narrative. Correct.

25:40

And for that, they

25:42

did everything in their powers to destroy

25:44

your life. Correct. You were

25:46

arrested? Correct. And so what did they

25:48

charge you with? Nothing. But

25:51

you were in jail. I was held in

25:53

jail with no charges. That was called a

25:55

fugitive from justice. Apparently their attempt

25:58

to silence you has failed. What

26:02

is the most important thing you've ever seen? The pandemic just

26:04

has so much disinformation on an epic

26:07

scale. She was presented as one

26:09

of the most eminent scientists in

26:11

the country. I think her ending

26:13

up in jail was the result of a

26:15

terrible employment conflict. Essentially, it really got out

26:17

of hand in a way that it never

26:19

should have. But I don't think it was

26:22

the government's way to silence her. The

26:25

timing was impeccable when

26:27

the pandemic really became viral in May of

26:29

2020. Most people

26:31

had only been under lockdown for maybe

26:33

a few months. And many

26:36

people were anxious. Maybe

26:38

the most standout shocking moments

26:41

in the pandemic, the interviewer says,

26:43

if we activate mandatory vaccines globally...

26:45

I imagine these people stand to

26:47

make hundreds of billions of dollars

26:49

that own the vaccines. And

26:51

they'll kill millions, as they

26:53

already have with their vaccines. To

26:56

say that was extraordinary, because vaccines

26:58

have saved hundreds of millions of

27:00

lives. In the pandemic, Judy not

27:02

only claims that her shadowy cabal

27:04

of elites had engineered the virus

27:07

for profit and power, but that

27:09

Anthony Fauci, who was in charge

27:11

of America's COVID response, was responsible

27:13

for the deaths of millions during

27:16

the AIDS epidemic. A

27:18

new viral video spreading on social media

27:20

has many public health experts alarmed. They

27:22

worry the video, which already has more

27:24

than 8 million views, is manipulative. Public

27:26

health experts say it is incredibly dangerous,

27:28

because if people believe what's in this

27:31

video and act on it, hospitals

27:33

like these will be overwhelmed with

27:35

coronavirus patients. YouTube is deleting it for

27:37

violating guidelines on COVID misinformation, but that

27:40

hasn't stopped tens of millions of people

27:42

from sharing it on other platforms. Nothing

27:44

is more insidious than the so-called

27:47

pandemic conspiracy theory now floating about,

27:49

which alleges that coronavirus was engineered

27:51

to increase vaccinations and make people

27:54

rich. is

28:00

to prevent the therapies until

28:02

everyone is infected and push

28:05

the vaccines. Why

28:07

would you close the beach? You've

28:09

got sequences in the soil, in

28:11

the sand, you've got healing microbes

28:13

in the ocean, in the salt

28:15

water. That's insanity. I

28:21

think she was right about one thing, you know, closing

28:23

the beaches probably didn't help much because we now know

28:25

that that was not a place where many people would

28:27

have gotten infected but to say

28:29

that in what people had gone to the

28:31

beach they would have been healed by microbes

28:34

in the sand. There's no evidence for

28:36

that. Judy

28:41

released a book too, Plague of Corruption,

28:43

which ended up on the New York

28:45

Times best seller list selling more than

28:47

100,000 copies. She

28:49

hit the talk show circuit. Judy Mikevitz, welcome

28:52

on to the Thrive Time Show. How are

28:54

you, ma'am? Judy Mikevitz is somebody that never

28:56

gives up. They SWAT team her and set

28:58

her up and put her in prison, ladies

29:00

and gentlemen, but she's been totally vindicated. Our

29:02

next speaker woke me up to medical tyranny

29:04

like you couldn't believe the movie, the pandemic

29:06

series. Ladies and gentlemen, please stand to your

29:09

feet and greet Doctor Judy Mikevitz.

29:18

She's a completely different person now, just

29:21

trying to have revenge

29:23

on the scientific community. These

29:28

days, Judy's old intern Byron works

29:31

as an application scientist for an

29:33

oncology company. When she was discredited,

29:35

I took off my

29:37

experience from my resume and tried

29:39

to forget about her for about

29:42

nine years until 2020. I

29:45

felt a very strong need to

29:48

combat the misinformation in the

29:50

pandemic video. I was briefly

29:53

on the same panel as

29:55

Judy, but it was full

29:57

of anti-vaccine propagandists, but

29:59

I did my best. to stand my ground.

30:01

Byron has seen me on the

30:03

screen. Byron's shoe

30:06

was my student. And he's

30:08

being paid by the Chinese.

30:11

And we're very familiar with disinformation agents. We

30:13

can smell them. This is

30:15

Byron in July 2022, appearing on

30:18

a live stream show, Sudden Truth.

30:21

The woman shouting is Judy. You got

30:23

paid to take Judy might have

30:25

been out and you know everywhere

30:27

I said is true and you

30:29

absolutely do. You're a stupid idiot.

30:31

You didn't do anything. We

30:33

made a lot of money trying

30:35

to take me down. And we're coming

30:37

after you bitch with a lawsuit. Gotcha.

30:40

So where's the lawsuit Judy? Dad, we're gonna get

30:42

it. Wait for it honey. In

30:49

December 2021 tragedy hit

30:51

Judy. Her husband David, the

30:54

man she had moved to California for,

30:56

all those years ago, died. It

30:59

was widely reported that the cause of

31:01

death was Covid. So

31:04

obviously when pandemic came out

31:06

there was a very big

31:08

backlash against it from a

31:10

lot of very well-respected scientists,

31:12

including people who had once

31:14

been your peers. They accuse

31:16

you of spreading dangerous falsehoods

31:18

about Covid and particularly I

31:21

think the safety of vaccines. They're

31:23

not my peers. They're not the honest

31:25

scientists who never did anything wrong.

31:27

Also some of those people do

31:30

point out that David

31:32

wasn't vaccinated. David didn't

31:34

die of Covid. David

31:37

had COPD, the inflammatory

31:39

disease, long before I met

31:41

him. He died of a heart attack

31:43

and I had no idea until middle

31:46

of January that they literally called

31:48

it Covid. So

31:50

they put Covid in the death certificate

31:53

as the cause of his death? Correct. They

31:55

murdered him and called it Covid and

31:58

that's what the fraudulent Certificate

32:00

through retaliation against me and

32:02

they had to call it

32:04

cove it in order to.

32:06

Destroy my voice forever. That's

32:12

a story of to Jamaica. That's.

32:15

What began with a chance

32:17

encounter? any club and that

32:19

that the first tonight and

32:21

Tpp conspiracy theory. And use

32:23

a sense in the coach was. A

32:26

story I think success on

32:28

a great mystery of our

32:30

times. What happens to send

32:33

smart people tumbling down at

32:35

home? Such a

32:37

mystery that experts and radicalization say

32:39

that the people like Jeter it's

32:42

ideology to be so mixed up

32:44

with personal grievance can be difficult

32:46

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32:55

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32:57

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32:59

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33:01

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33:03

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