0:00

one of my mentors Bill Ray

0:02

was one of the remote viewers

0:04

too and actually helped run the

0:06

program for a little while as

0:08

well. This guy said that he

0:10

had several encounters where he bumped

0:12

into different types of entities and

0:14

one he believes that the entity

0:16

was an angel that was guarding

0:18

the arc because that's what he

0:20

found out later he was supposed

0:22

to be looking into. There are

0:24

people who have some sort of

0:26

connection with these UAPs and and

0:28

when they put their mind in a

0:30

certain space, these UAPs come that

0:33

either see what's up or, you

0:35

know, come because they called them.

0:37

So this idea of cyanics and

0:39

using individuals to communicate and connect

0:41

with these things have been around

0:43

and it seems like, you know,

0:45

that's just like the new hot

0:47

term again. Welcome back to the

0:49

transmission, my friends. If you've been

0:51

watching the channel as of late,

0:53

you likely know, we've been dipping

0:56

into the wonderful, highly weird.

0:58

but seemingly very real history

1:00

of the U.S. military and

1:02

intelligence agencies' interest in sci

1:04

phenomena. And interest in is

1:06

too light of a phrase,

1:08

extensive experimentation with remote viewing

1:10

precognition and a number of

1:12

other flavors of ESP. And

1:15

as juicy and as fantastical

1:17

as all of that, Laura

1:19

is my friends, it is

1:21

easy to forget that the

1:23

people involved in those programs

1:25

are real people. And many

1:27

of them are still out there

1:29

and still even teaching remote viewing techniques.

1:32

Our guest in this one, Hakim Isler,

1:34

is acutely aware of this fact as

1:36

he has studied with not one of

1:38

them but multiple, including the great Joe

1:41

McMonegal who we've mentioned a number of

1:43

times on the channel at this point.

1:45

But speaking of lore, that is far

1:47

from all of the pertinent lore

1:49

when it comes to hakim isler.

1:52

He's got a stunning

1:54

selection of novelty-soaked bullet

1:56

points on his bio. To let just

1:58

a few rip hot is a former

2:00

Special Ops soldier in the U.S. Army.

2:03

Specifically, he was trained in Cyops. So

2:05

this is somebody who really knows how

2:07

to spot disinformation and Cyops at an

2:10

expert level. He's also a survivalist, and

2:12

he's really just a seeker. I mean,

2:14

he made it just abundantly clear in

2:17

this conversation that he is really committed

2:19

to understanding his consciousness, the nature of

2:21

consciousness in general, and what it's capable

2:24

of. He's also spearheading just a really

2:26

intriguing event called Cy Games, the sort

2:28

of elevator pitch is that it's the

2:31

psychic Olympics. But more specifically, it's a

2:33

tournament that aims to really shine a

2:35

light on and push the boundaries of

2:37

Cy Phenomena, including things like remote viewing,

2:40

Psychokinesis, and other ESP capacities. I'm actually

2:42

going to do my best to attend

2:44

because I really want to see this

2:47

in person for myself. For more info

2:49

on that, go to PSI Games International.com.

2:51

a couple of quick wonder nuggets before

2:54

we drop into this one. I had

2:56

a pretty insane synchronicity when it comes

2:58

to this whole remote viewing of the

3:01

Ark of the Covenant tale. If you

3:03

want to hear the story about that

3:05

I'm going to save it. I'm not

3:08

going to tell it now. But go

3:10

to the post script or stay tuned

3:12

for the post script of this mind

3:14

meld if you want to hear that

3:17

tale. Also, it felt appropriate in the

3:19

spirit. of this mind meld to conclude

3:21

with something of a remote viewing challenge.

3:24

If you would like to participate or

3:26

just keep track of what's going on

3:28

with that, stay tuned at the end.

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you there. But currently, let's do so

4:17

with Haki Missler. Man, you are a

4:19

trained, a trained Cyop agent. You are

4:22

somebody who's deeply informed and interested in

4:24

the history of sigh phenomena, both in

4:26

the sort of classified intelligence agency, agency,

4:28

agency aspects, and personally, you're a trained

4:31

remote viewer, you're doing this incredible side

4:33

games thing. So there's just so much

4:35

to talk about, man. Yeah, let's do

4:38

it, man. I appreciate coming on the

4:40

show and any opportunity to be able

4:42

to share some of this knowledge is

4:45

a great opportunity. And so I thank

4:47

you for that. For sure. Yeah, just

4:49

fresh on my mind because we briefly

4:52

each brought up Monroe at the beginning

4:54

before we were recording. And I remember

4:56

hearing you say that you actually did

4:59

Joe McMonegle's remote viewing training, right? Yes.

5:01

Yeah, I want to hear more about

5:03

that. Yeah. That was fun. It was

5:05

really fun. You know, it was a

5:08

bigger class than what I'm used to.

5:10

So when I first started remote viewing,

5:12

I started with a guy named Paul

5:15

Smith. And Paul Smith was also in

5:17

a remote viewing program. And he keeps

5:19

his class as small on purpose because

5:22

there's a lot of information. So he

5:24

runs it like, you know, you're going

5:26

to a military school to learn this.

5:29

And he learns it very much like

5:31

the way he was taught by English

5:33

swan. you come in there you have

5:36

a bunch of work that you have

5:38

to do and read and you know

5:40

you have to write essays and do

5:43

all this stuff then you like learn

5:45

about remote viewing and then you actually

5:47

do some remote viewings and then you

5:49

have like a crap ton of homework

5:52

when you get home so you got

5:54

to go back to your hotel and

5:56

you got like about two hours worth

5:59

of homework. And then the next morning

6:01

you have to turn it in and

6:03

then go through that. So that was

6:06

like my experience, right? And then I

6:08

go to the Monroe and I go

6:10

to Joe McMone School's class and it

6:13

was a lot more laid back. It

6:15

was a lot more people so they

6:17

had more people to deal with, they

6:20

had some assistance and their goal really

6:22

was to have you understand that you

6:24

are capable of remote viewing. Whereas Paul's

6:26

goal was really to get you. to

6:29

be, it was like an intensive, like

6:31

a master class, like at the end

6:33

of this, you're going to really understand

6:36

these first few stages of what we

6:38

call CRV. And so that was the

6:40

difference between the dynamics, but it was

6:43

just really cool to know that what's

6:45

there. I also find that it's very

6:47

important being in the presence of somebody

6:50

like Joe McMonico and Paul Smith, because

6:52

you know this kind of there's some

6:54

sort of resonance there where their energy

6:57

energy of people who've done those things

6:59

can if you spend enough time around

7:01

them can kind of raise your vibration

7:03

to that level in that particular space.

7:06

Hence why we have like basketball camps

7:08

and baseball camps and you know and

7:10

you know these really high level schools

7:13

where it has the greatest the greatest

7:15

minds or and people want to

7:17

get there because being around those

7:19

individuals really helps. you evolve a

7:22

lot different. So that was really

7:24

great for me. Yeah, yeah. And

7:26

for people that don't know, you

7:28

know, you mentioned CRV, Ingo Swan,

7:30

let's get into the sort of,

7:33

I guess, nerdy history of this

7:35

to some degree, because I've been

7:37

talking about it on the channel

7:39

in some capacity. I want to

7:42

keep talking about it, because I

7:44

think it is this period of

7:46

American history that has the most

7:48

to teach us about the depth

7:50

of wisdom. we already have like

7:53

in archives in terms of sigh

7:55

phenomena and what the human mind

7:57

and human consciousness seems to be

7:59

capable of you know great granted,

8:02

you know, depending who you ask,

8:04

this is still controversial, but it

8:06

doesn't seem like it's controversial to

8:08

the intelligence agencies that were running,

8:10

you know, the DIA, the CIA.

8:13

My God, man, like the volume

8:15

of stuff, even that's just been

8:17

declassified, let alone what we don't

8:19

know about, really seems to indicate

8:22

that not only is there something

8:24

to this. but they used it

8:26

to great effect over the course

8:28

of decades. And this guy, you

8:30

mentioned, Ingo Swan, he's part of

8:33

this original cohort of remote viewers,

8:35

like again, like these psychic spies

8:37

that were able to do incredible

8:39

things in remote viewing. He seems

8:41

like Ingo Swan was capable of

8:44

doing a lot more than just

8:46

remote viewing. Tell me, tell me

8:48

more about. Paul Smith,

8:50

is that his name? Yeah, Paul Smith.

8:53

Yeah, and how did he come into

8:55

contact with Ingo Swan? Oh, so yeah,

8:57

so I want to backtrack too, and

9:00

I want to answer something about Ingo

9:02

Swan. Ingo Swan, you know, when they

9:04

were trying to figure out remote viewing

9:07

and how it worked and come up

9:09

with some sort of protocol, they would

9:11

like have Ingo do stuff consistently the

9:14

same way, and even though he proved

9:16

that he could do it. An ego

9:18

would just come out and be like,

9:21

look, I'm not a one trick pony.

9:23

If this is, if you just want

9:25

me to sit here and look in

9:28

a box, that's boring. Tell me to

9:30

go find somebody somewhere. You know, like

9:32

give me a challenge. And that's really

9:35

unique if you think about it. A

9:37

lot of us, especially in our modern

9:39

day and age, is like, we're just...

9:42

you know if we know something and

9:44

people are praising us for it or

9:46

giving us an opportunity to really explore

9:49

it we're like okay well this is

9:51

the thing I know this is the

9:53

thing I'm comfortable with I'm not really

9:56

sure about going down that other way

9:58

because then I might make a mistake

10:00

and people might you know talk bad

10:03

about me but no he was just

10:05

the opposite he was like if I'm

10:07

done playing games with this like being

10:10

in this room looking in this box

10:12

like I want to go explore the

10:14

galaxy in the world you know like

10:17

that's like I find that really amazing

10:19

and that's why his name is still

10:21

on our lips to this day if

10:24

we look at any field the people

10:26

whose names tend to be on our

10:28

lips and on our minds even though

10:31

hundreds of years or you know whatever

10:33

time span that tend to be reoccurring

10:35

names are the people who really were

10:38

like that, who really pushed the envelope,

10:40

who were like, I'm not comfortable with

10:42

just being comfortable. I want to go

10:45

beyond, right? And so I just wanted

10:47

to highlight that just to pay homage

10:49

to Ingo and the amazing work he

10:52

did by pushing himself, which gave us

10:54

a lot more understanding of what we

10:56

call now controlled remote viewing. Have you,

10:59

sorry to cut you off. Have you

11:01

read any of his books? Yeah, I

11:03

have read some of Engel's books, one

11:06

in which was instrumental in helping me

11:08

move towards creating the side games. Oh,

11:10

cool, cool. And so he's got like

11:13

psychic sexuality and he's got penetration and

11:15

he's got like... Which are two different

11:17

things. Yeah, two totally different things. He's

11:20

got like... The Secrets of Power, One

11:22

and Two, so those two actually were

11:24

helping me with this, kept inspiring this

11:27

thought about side games over and over

11:29

again. And so, yeah, so I have

11:31

read quite a few of his books

11:34

and I have some that I still

11:36

need to read that I haven't. Yeah,

11:38

I haven't actually read any of his

11:41

stuff. I would like to read more.

11:43

Like, I just told you I read

11:45

this book phenomena and I'm just... obsessed

11:48

with it. And I know a lot

11:50

of the core, you know, cast of

11:52

characters in this book all have their

11:55

own work that they did over the

11:57

course of decades. Many of them have

11:59

their own books, you know, Ingo Swan.

12:02

Joe McMonegal, but oh yeah, like hell

12:04

put off and a lot of those,

12:06

the scientists involved too I guess, have

12:09

a whole body of work and need

12:11

to look deeper into. But so anyway,

12:13

Paul Smith, is he, his name sounds

12:16

familiar, was he involved in the. the

12:18

military remote viewing? Yeah, so Paul Smith

12:20

was one of the military remote viewers.

12:23

He got actually recruited invited in by

12:25

Tom McNair. Tom McNair went on to

12:27

be, he got out pretty early on,

12:30

he helped build it, but then got

12:32

out pretty early on and he went

12:34

on to become stay friends with Ingo

12:37

and be one of Ingo's. best students,

12:39

even though he was no longer like

12:41

doing it for the military, Tom McNair

12:44

was. Paul Smith, staying into the military

12:46

for, I think about, staying in that

12:48

program for about 10 years or so,

12:51

seven or ten years, and he not

12:53

only learned all the way up to

12:55

stage six, but then he also helped

12:58

teach it as well. And so that's

13:00

kind of his background into it. He

13:02

was a creative mind. He was an

13:05

intelligence community. He ended up moving across

13:07

the street from Skip Atwater and Tom

13:09

McNair, and they actually approached him and

13:12

asked him if he'd be interested in

13:14

doing this thing that they couldn't really

13:16

talk about. And he said, yeah. And

13:19

then they kind of... you know, read

13:21

him in on a program and then,

13:23

you know, gave him a test and

13:26

he did well and off he went.

13:28

So, how was that? Cool. Are these

13:30

six stages you're talking about? Is this

13:33

part of, so again, people who aren't

13:35

into the history of this, there is

13:37

a now declassified document that I believe

13:40

was architected by Ingo Swan, right? That

13:42

is like the declassified sort of manual

13:44

for how you train remote viewing? Is

13:47

this where the six stages? Yeah, so

13:49

the so when you do remote viewing

13:51

controlled remote viewing you go through these

13:53

six stages and those six stages basically

13:56

well you you go through if you

13:58

learn a few you go through like

14:00

one and two and three to end

14:03

you move on and you go through

14:05

like four and five and then you

14:07

really dive into six. Now there have

14:10

been more stages that Tom McNair have

14:12

been able to move towards, but you

14:14

got two basic types of remote viewing.

14:17

You have like structured and unstructured remote

14:19

viewing, right? And so structured remote viewing

14:21

would be like the CRV which structures

14:24

everything. And part of the reason that

14:26

structure is really important is because your

14:28

brain wants to move towards the logic

14:31

side more than it wants to move,

14:33

especially as adults in American society, more

14:35

than it wants to move towards the

14:38

creative right brain, right? And so instead

14:40

of fighting that consistently, which is something

14:42

that we would do like with a

14:45

lot of really deep meditation practice, you're

14:47

not really fighting it, but you're just

14:49

kind of put it in this place

14:52

like, okay, you're great, but right now

14:54

I need to shut you down and

14:56

I need to kind of go into

14:59

this state of state and just kind

15:01

of be more relaxed and more focused.

15:03

So you're trying to do that, but

15:06

then with the structure of remote viewing

15:08

what it does or CRV control remote

15:10

viewing what is doing is this give

15:13

is keeping busy that left side of

15:15

the brain Yeah, so that your your

15:17

consciousness or the subconsciousness can start to

15:20

go out there and reach out and

15:22

get that information without a lot of

15:24

you know overlay or you know noise

15:27

we call it from the left side

15:29

of the brain and so you're given

15:31

the left side of the brain something

15:34

to do then also for the analyst's

15:36

sake for the person who's going to

15:38

be looking at your work afterwards especially

15:41

if you've got 15 people doing a

15:43

remote viewing on one thing, if we

15:45

all have a different structure on how

15:48

we write stuff down and how we

15:50

put stuff down, that becomes pretty daunting,

15:52

right? So when we were in high

15:55

school, we all learned how to put

15:57

our name and then the date and

15:59

then the place and then we write

16:02

our thing and that had to be

16:04

on one side and we learned that

16:06

method. And that helps the teacher. So

16:09

now. Teacher is able to go to

16:11

the same place over and over again

16:13

that speeds up their job when it

16:16

comes down to grading your papers But

16:18

if we had every 20 people in

16:20

a class and everyone wrote things different

16:23

Some people wrote started on the back

16:25

some people started in the middle some

16:27

people started over here they put some

16:30

people put their name some people didn't

16:32

put their name it creates chaos for

16:34

an analyst you know who's trying to

16:37

look at your work you know so

16:39

that's where the structure really finds its

16:41

power it finds its power with occupying

16:44

the left side of the brain, and

16:46

then also giving you an opportunity to

16:48

really focus on the right side of

16:51

the brain and pulling in that information.

16:53

Then it gives you a place to

16:55

really not have to think about where

16:58

that information needs to go. You already

17:00

kind of know, you know where the

17:02

information needs to go. So you don't

17:05

have one color over here and then

17:07

another color, one color on the left

17:09

side of the page, another color on

17:12

the right side of the page, and

17:14

then like some words in between, and

17:16

then another color at the bottom, which

17:19

again, is a nightmare when you're trying

17:21

to do some information. So that gives

17:23

you that and then the stages are

17:26

just broken down because instead of you

17:28

having to think about everything at once

17:30

Again you take it in you take

17:33

it in phases you have this method

17:35

of doing this that allows you to

17:37

put the information down in a very

17:40

clean and concise way and everything has

17:42

its place. It's a lot more organized

17:44

that way For us creative types like

17:47

myself, you know if you come into

17:49

my office There's books everywhere, there's papers

17:51

everywhere, you know, and it does frustrate

17:54

me sometimes if I have to find

17:56

something and I can't remember what I

17:58

did with it. You know, I'm like,

18:01

oh, yeah, and I'm like, and then

18:03

I meet people who love having everything

18:05

in files and you know, I went

18:08

to how Putoff's house not too long

18:10

ago and I had asked him, you

18:12

know, he was telling me about something

18:15

and he was like, oh. I think

18:17

I have a copy of that. And

18:19

he goes into his office and like

18:22

he's got stuff. I mean more papers

18:24

than we could ever imagine when everything's

18:26

filed. So he was like, oh, it's

18:29

right here. here, boom, boom, boom, pulls

18:31

it out and it was like, I

18:33

was like, when's the last time you

18:36

touched that document, like 15, 20 years

18:38

ago? You know, like, when he knew

18:40

exactly where it was because it was

18:43

organized, it was structured, right? And so

18:45

structure does have a place, you know,

18:47

and they have this saying, if you

18:50

can see that structure, content be damned,

18:52

all right? And that's Rob Kort. He

18:54

was a guy in the remote viewing

18:56

program, but he was talking about how

18:59

important. You know, if you have content,

19:01

that's great. But if it's everywhere, it

19:03

just becomes a cipher, like it's a

19:06

code, you know, that nobody can read,

19:08

but you. But if you have structures

19:10

to it, then it actually becomes something

19:13

that we can, that we can all

19:15

share and grow. Yeah. That's my eternal

19:17

battle, man. It's like, I am not

19:20

a type A personality. type personality. I'm

19:22

a way more like you were alluding

19:24

to a way more sort of creative

19:27

on the fly type of person. We

19:29

got to we got to stop and

19:31

zoom in on how put off though

19:34

because he to me is one of

19:36

the most interesting compelling figures that's been

19:38

involved in this since the very beginning.

19:41

So for people that don't know of

19:43

how put off he was a physicist

19:45

at SRI which was the contractor who

19:48

did a lot of this. research throughout

19:50

decades. So he helped design, you know,

19:52

analyze, did so many things having to

19:55

do with this remote viewing program, you

19:57

know, Project Stargate and all of the

19:59

other sub projects under that umbrella. Hal

20:02

put off and Russell Tard were sort

20:04

of at the core of all of

20:06

this stuff, at least the stuff that's

20:09

declassified. And then I would have to

20:11

think. That if somebody knows some crazy

20:13

shit, hell put off those some crazy

20:16

shit. I mean, Not only was he

20:18

doing that since the early 70s, he

20:20

has now, and you might know more

20:23

about this in me, but I know

20:25

that in his, at his lab in

20:27

the Austin area now, he's still a

20:30

contractor who analyzes anomalous things for the

20:32

government. Like if you go to his,

20:34

again, they talk about this in the

20:37

book phenomenon, but you know, if you

20:39

go to the website of his organization

20:41

and you go to the sort of

20:44

like headings of what they look at.

20:46

It's very mysterious and general, but it's

20:48

enough to be like, what? You know,

20:51

it's like, like an astro, astro archaeology

20:53

and like exotic propulsion and other, I

20:55

think, size stuff. And it's just like,

20:58

well, one, who are you, who are

21:00

you exactly advertising to on this? to

21:02

what does that practically mean and for

21:05

being he's deep into his 80s right

21:07

yes yeah I believe he's like 88

21:09

right now yeah seems like he's totally

21:12

with it though in the most recent

21:14

thing I saw at least yeah yeah

21:16

he's a hundred percent and a hundred

21:19

percent and that that is that's that's

21:21

kind of weird it reminds me of

21:23

the movie Highlander Oh yeah, or the

21:26

series even, whereas like, you know, over

21:28

time people started discovering his photo in

21:30

like, you know, a picture of this

21:33

guy and like all these different, you

21:35

know, he was a doctor and then

21:37

he's a lawyer and then he's got

21:40

his connect and they're like, who is

21:42

this guy? And how long has he

21:44

been around? If you read that book,

21:47

like you were saying the one that

21:49

you're reading now and that I've read

21:51

phenomenon, his name pops up like a

21:54

bunch. And even in Diane Powell Powell's

21:56

book. ESP Enigma, his name pops up

21:58

again in a bunch of different projects.

22:01

And so and then now you got

22:03

these two movies out. One is called

22:05

the program by James Fox, and now

22:08

you have the age of disclosure. Yeah,

22:10

the stuff that this guy has been

22:12

involved in and he knows, it's just

22:15

like, you can't even imagine, you know,

22:17

and so I don't even know, it's

22:19

keeping them young. It's keeping them going

22:22

because he's 88 and he's still sharp

22:24

as attacked, man. I would love to

22:26

talk to him at some point. What

22:29

were you? What was the occasion of

22:31

you hanging with him? I was just

22:33

there as a fly on the wall.

22:36

Some friends are working on a project

22:38

with him and then this was an

22:40

opportunity and I actually work with those

22:43

friends so it was there but they

22:45

had some specific stuff that they were

22:47

working with him on and I was

22:50

just kind of there I asked some

22:52

questions about his thoughts about the side

22:54

games and things of that nature. So

22:57

that would be the extent of what

22:59

I had going on there. Cool. So

23:01

as somebody who's been, you know, is

23:04

a practitioner and is actively interested in

23:06

this stuff, not just historically, but like

23:08

I said, as a practitioner, and also

23:11

someone who is in the military, when

23:13

you read phenomena and you see, you

23:15

know, okay, all of this research is

23:18

cut off in like 95 or whatever,

23:20

when some of it comes to light.

23:22

Do you buy that? You know, and

23:25

plus now we're both aware of like

23:27

the current whistleblower environment with Jake Barber

23:29

coming out, you know, his insistence that

23:32

there are these cyanic assets that have

23:34

been being used by the military. What

23:36

do you think really happened there? Do

23:39

you think it went deeper, darker? You

23:41

know they changed all the vernacular around

23:43

it. Do you think they really stopped

23:46

it and then other Agencies picked up

23:48

the mantle like what what's your theory

23:50

on that? Yeah, so that's a great

23:53

question and the reality is is that

23:55

Normally when things work really well, we

23:57

don't just stop doing exactly And so

24:00

we just look at it from that

24:02

logic side. Now people claim that, oh,

24:04

it wasn't enough, you know, but they

24:06

ran this thing for 20 years. And

24:09

even if you look at the final

24:11

nail, per se, in the coffin, when

24:13

they had Jessica Utz, who is a

24:16

statistician, and the guy who was like

24:18

the amazing Randy's right-hand man, or he

24:20

was a protégé. And they had them

24:23

both look into this. you know that

24:25

guy came back and was like yeah

24:27

I think I don't believe it but

24:30

the research was done well right and

24:32

so he still was kind of being

24:34

a skeptic even though he couldn't find

24:37

a hole in what was going on

24:39

and then Annie I mean not Annie

24:41

Jacobs Jessica Uts was like yeah statistically

24:44

this thing is real so like and

24:46

she was the you know one of

24:48

the top statisticians in the world at

24:51

the time so So but it came

24:53

over and as soon as the CIA

24:55

got it before that paper was even

24:58

they had these two individuals look into

25:00

it and before it's way I understand

25:02

it before that was even published or

25:05

before it even came to the CIA

25:07

the CIA got the program the remote

25:09

viewing program from the DIA I believe

25:12

and they shut it down. and then

25:14

the paper came out so they were

25:16

like already just ready ready to shut

25:19

it down. Okay. Now if you follow

25:21

this really well and I don't feel

25:23

any type of way anymore like you

25:26

know this this person is my friend

25:28

so I didn't want to you know

25:30

break any confidence. But there's a gentleman

25:33

named Skip Atwater, and he recently said

25:35

on a podcast or a YouTube interview

25:37

that there were five other programs. Now

25:40

I already remember that, or there were

25:42

five programs total that based on his

25:44

clearances, he knew about that other people

25:47

would not have known about, right, who

25:49

were even in the remote viewing program.

25:51

So in the Army's remote viewing program,

25:54

so he was like, there were five,

25:56

you know, so then what happened to

25:58

those five? We only know about one.

26:01

We know about the Army's program, but

26:03

we pretty of certain that the NSA

26:05

had a program and then there's other

26:08

organizations that probably had programs going on.

26:10

What I would straight to say is

26:12

what Russell Tarck said recently in one

26:15

of his interviews was that one of

26:17

the things, the common issues that they

26:19

had about remote viewing is that they

26:22

couldn't stop it. They couldn't figure out

26:24

a way to stop it. So if

26:26

they couldn't stop it and the other

26:29

governments couldn't stop it, then what you

26:31

have is that you have this kind

26:33

of wide open gap where anybody can

26:36

like just come in if they believe

26:38

in the techniques and they practice the

26:40

techniques they can go in and like

26:43

take secrets or find secret information and

26:45

you as a government who is in

26:47

the business of secret information couldn't stop

26:50

it a matter of fact I think

26:52

it was Pat Price or Ingo Swan

26:54

one of them said that the I

26:57

think yeah it was Pat Price the

26:59

more you try to hide something the

27:01

more it becomes visible and appealing in

27:04

the psychic space right interesting so now

27:06

we have all these secrets of people

27:08

with these clearances trying to hide stuff

27:11

no in the psychic space this stuff

27:13

is like exposed it's out there it's

27:15

ready to be no does that make

27:18

sense yeah oh yeah so so now

27:20

as a government or an organization what

27:22

do you think would be the only

27:25

way well okay so you're telling me

27:27

I can't physically or I can't mentally

27:29

or psychically stop people from getting all

27:32

my secrets. So, okay, well I guess

27:34

the only thing we can do is

27:36

provide some sort of misinformation campaign, like,

27:39

or create some Cyop so that I

27:41

can get these people to like not

27:43

stop doing it, stop believing that this

27:46

is really working and we've already given

27:48

them all of this data that shows

27:50

that it does work. So now we

27:53

need to come up with. contraindicated data

27:55

or data that says that it doesn't

27:57

work. So now that's what I'm, that's

28:00

what they're, I think that that would

28:02

be a logical way for it to

28:04

go is that way. So. To answer

28:07

your question, I think yeah, it still,

28:09

it makes sense that it would still

28:11

be going on somewhere in the organization.

28:14

And China and Russia spent a lot

28:16

of money and they had some very,

28:18

we know, based on data, based on

28:21

research, based on information that's come out.

28:23

They had very successful kids and adults

28:25

that could do all types of things

28:28

with psychic abilities. You

28:30

just got to ask yourself, just

28:32

put it in your shoes, just

28:34

say, hey, I'm at my, I'm

28:36

at my house, or I'm in

28:39

this field of teaching kids martial

28:41

arts, right? And I recognize that

28:43

there's this thing that works for

28:45

people when it comes down to

28:47

marketing my business. But it could

28:50

be questionable as to whether it's

28:52

a, you know, it's a good

28:54

thing to do, right? So maybe

28:56

I just not say I'm doing

28:58

it, but do it anyway. But

29:00

I don't want to be out

29:03

there. I wouldn't tell anybody that,

29:05

you know, openly, but I'm going

29:07

to do it anyway behind closed

29:09

doors because it's valuable and it's

29:11

going to help me be successful.

29:14

So I think people can relate

29:16

to it when they put themselves

29:18

in those shoes versus just looking

29:20

at this big government unless you

29:22

just don't want to believe it.

29:25

You know, everybody's threshold is different.

29:27

So some people just don't want

29:29

to believe that. And I think

29:31

the religious organizations did the same

29:33

thing. You know, oh, wait a

29:36

minute. Should we be out here

29:38

telling everybody they have these type

29:40

of abilities and powers? Because that's

29:42

going to make it really tough

29:44

to find followers and control. Now

29:47

I haven't done this research. And

29:49

so I will say that, but

29:51

I... I'm confident that it's true,

29:53

but I haven't delved into it

29:55

as deeply as I've delved into

29:58

other topics. So I could be

30:00

incorrect. So I'll just put that.

30:02

caveat on it. There's a conversation,

30:04

there's some information that's out that

30:06

says that at one point a

30:09

certain religious group that we know

30:11

actually did believe in reincarnation. But

30:13

then they started saying that themselves,

30:15

well, if people think they can

30:17

keep coming back over and over

30:20

again, then they're not going to

30:22

have the urgency to choose our...

30:24

deity or our God as the

30:26

main God and then us as

30:28

priests as a conduit for that.

30:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, and

30:33

a lot of people don't know

30:35

that if you go far enough

30:37

back in history, you know, let's

30:39

just call it Christianity because that's

30:41

the most obvious example of what

30:44

you're saying. Like there is no

30:46

doctrine of reincarnation in Christianity or

30:48

at least most kinds of Christianity.

30:50

But if you go far enough

30:52

back into Greek philosophy... this idea

30:55

of metam psychosis or reincarnation is

30:57

all over the place. Plato talks

30:59

about it, all the prehistoric philosophers

31:01

talk about it. So this was

31:03

a widely believed thing, not just

31:06

in the Eastern world and Eastern

31:08

spirituality, but also in Western philosophy

31:10

and esoteric traditions. So yeah, it

31:12

is suspicious how that just sort

31:14

of falls off the doctrinal map.

31:17

And before I forget, I wanted

31:19

to share that one anecdote from

31:21

phenomena just illustrate how seriously they

31:23

took the threat of remote viewing.

31:25

There's that whole episode where they're

31:28

having a meeting with some general

31:30

and you know he's worried about

31:32

remote viewers being able to see

31:34

where they're hiding the nuclear warheads.

31:36

And he gets visibly angry apparently

31:39

in this meeting and is like,

31:41

so what you're telling me. is

31:43

they can find where they are.

31:45

That's what you're telling me. Our

31:47

enemies, remote viewers can find where

31:50

they are. And they're just kind

31:52

of like, yeah, you know, we

31:54

can't, we can't guarantee that that's

31:56

not. a distinct possibility. So then

31:58

they create this whole insane underground

32:01

network of tunnels. I think they

32:03

say millions of square miles on

32:05

underground in Nevada with the express

32:07

purpose of shuffling around dummy nuclear

32:09

warheads in real nuclear warheads on

32:11

the chance that remote viewers might

32:14

be able to see where the

32:16

warheads are. They create this whole

32:18

crazy underground complex so they can

32:20

move the warheads around. It's nuts.

32:22

It's nuts the lengths that our

32:25

government has gone to and these

32:27

other governments have gone to. I

32:29

don't think most people. even if

32:31

they know this exists, I don't

32:33

think they appreciate the insane amounts

32:36

of effort that had been put

32:38

into all this stuff. It's crazy.

32:40

And it was either, so then

32:42

to follow up that story, from

32:44

what I understand, they actually created

32:47

that shell game with these assels

32:49

and then they had remote viewers

32:51

try to find them and they

32:53

did find them. And so then

32:55

that general got even more Matt

32:58

because that was his baby, you

33:00

know. And he didn't believe in

33:02

all this remote viewing business. So

33:04

he, from what I understand, was

33:06

another catalyst, another nail in the

33:09

coffin for the remote viewing program,

33:11

not because it didn't work, but

33:13

because it made him look bad

33:15

and he spent all this money.

33:17

And that was going to, that

33:20

was like his pet thing. That

33:22

was his baby. And so the

33:24

idea that these woo-w people can

33:26

come out of nowhere and then,

33:28

you know. take this really well

33:31

thought out idea with millions and

33:33

millions of dollars behind it and

33:35

just kind of shut it down

33:37

was not okay with him. And

33:39

so he was he was very

33:42

instrumental in and demonizing this kind

33:44

of program. And so, so yeah,

33:46

that guy went to great lengths

33:48

to really shut things or put

33:50

an L in that coffin for

33:52

remote view. Yeah. Yeah. And then

33:55

there's this whole other added angle

33:57

now of the of the cyanic

33:59

program. and air quotes. And side

34:01

note, I always wonder if that

34:03

word is just a sort of

34:06

agnostic word that they're using

34:08

publicly to hide whatever

34:10

the real terminology is. That's

34:13

one of the things when

34:15

you read a book like

34:17

Phenomena or you look into

34:20

any of these declassified documents.

34:22

They're always kind of subtly

34:24

changing the language or they're

34:26

inventing new words like. Man,

34:29

I'm actually drawing a blank on

34:31

some of them now. But yeah,

34:34

they're rarely just overtly

34:36

using the words, you know, psychic

34:39

or telekinesis or psychokinesis

34:41

or whatever. They're making

34:43

up terminology so that

34:46

it's more esoteric and

34:48

harder to find. So I

34:50

have to wonder, you know, what

34:52

is like there's got to be

34:54

some. language lurking underneath

34:57

cyanic. But anyway,

34:59

if we just go with this,

35:01

you know, now agnostic

35:04

publicly used term of cyanic,

35:06

this is adding a whole

35:08

new layer to this. It's not

35:10

just, you know, remote viewing

35:13

and precognition

35:15

psychokinesis. It's using

35:17

those abilities to contact

35:20

something else or summon

35:22

something else. And I would

35:24

I'm dying to know like where this

35:26

comes from like when they figured

35:29

this out how they figured it

35:31

out you know again assuming that

35:33

this is legit but yeah did

35:35

you have any inkling of this

35:38

existing before the barber stuff came

35:40

to light or was that sort

35:42

of a. revelation to you too.

35:44

Yeah that's a great question so

35:46

Sionics the term is actually an

35:49

old term it goes back to

35:51

like 1950s some people even speculate

35:53

1930s and the idea and then

35:55

it became like a Dungeons and

35:57

Dragons like gaming term and then

36:00

it kind of took back its

36:02

normal scientific or, or, or, or,

36:04

or, or, has been around, but

36:06

the idea of basically the way

36:08

it sounds is it's more in

36:10

line with what the remote viewing

36:12

program started coming up with, which

36:14

is this idea of remote influence,

36:17

right? And so people like Limb

36:19

Buchanan, who's also a part of

36:21

the remote viewing program, who back

36:23

in the day, who was also

36:25

a part of that, he... He

36:27

teaches and talks about remote influence

36:29

and this idea that you can

36:31

influence people remotely at a distance

36:33

in that book phenomenon and the

36:36

Jacobs talks about it as well.

36:38

The idea of being able to

36:40

heal people and deal with different

36:42

types of aspects of people's body

36:44

system remotely and the research that

36:46

they've done there. And so this

36:48

has kind of been a thing,

36:50

but not necessarily with extraterrestrials or

36:52

these NHIs or whatever you would

36:55

call these different beings and their

36:57

craft these UAPs. However, there has

36:59

been research and studies out there

37:01

that talk about people having these

37:03

type of connections where these beings

37:05

or these UAPs seem to be

37:07

coming back to them over and

37:09

over again and what is the

37:11

connection there? And with my friend,

37:14

a friend of mine, Chris Bledsoe,

37:16

When they started doing a lot

37:18

of research on him, they started

37:20

saying, or at least it came

37:22

out in his book, UFO of

37:24

God, that Jim Sim event, which

37:26

is a CIA guy, really high

37:28

level CIA individual, was saying that

37:30

what they know, or alluded to,

37:33

I believe, in the book, what

37:35

they know is that there are

37:37

people who have some sort of

37:39

temporal or some sort of connection

37:41

with these UAPs, and when they...

37:43

put their mind in a certain

37:45

space, these UAPs come that either

37:47

see what's up or, you know,

37:50

come because they called them or

37:52

nobody really knows what that relationship

37:54

is like is it a moth

37:56

to a flame type thing where

37:58

it just becomes interesting like what's

38:00

going on over here this guy

38:02

all of a sudden is shining

38:04

brighter than everybody else let me

38:06

go see what's going on there

38:09

so I can gather data on

38:11

how what levels these people are

38:13

able to accomplish yeah or is

38:15

it really that you're just calling

38:17

that those those beings and again

38:19

if there are multiple and also

38:21

if there are multiple different types

38:23

of beings then some of them

38:25

may be interested in things for

38:28

different reasons right and so we

38:30

don't know what that is neither

38:32

so this idea of cyanics and

38:34

using individuals to communicate and connect

38:36

with these things have been around

38:38

and it seems like, you know,

38:40

that's just like the new hot

38:42

term again because it was brought

38:44

up in this particular context with

38:47

this particular gentleman who was divulging

38:49

a lot of really interesting important

38:51

information. And so now we have

38:53

a government or ex-government official or

38:55

individual that's coming forward and saying,

38:57

yes, this is real. this is

38:59

what we were doing, and here's

39:01

a term so that can help

39:03

you guys wrap your head around

39:06

it, which I find maybe this

39:08

is, you know, what we're seeing

39:10

as a soft disclosure as all

39:12

of these terms are coming out

39:14

and giving people things that they

39:16

can hold on to now, and

39:18

it's not, it's becoming a little

39:20

bit more concrete now. Yeah, it

39:22

seems like that's what's going on

39:25

to me. If the whole thing

39:27

isn't just some massive... sigh up

39:29

for some unbelievably complex network of

39:31

reasons. I feel because there's no

39:33

one explanation that I can think

39:35

of that would justify any kind

39:37

of like really really long-term sigh

39:39

up like this. I feel like

39:41

it would have to be a

39:44

very long narrative. shifting con game

39:46

or something like that. But I'm

39:48

more warm to the idea of

39:50

what you're suggesting that this is

39:52

like a gradual slow roll disclosure.

39:54

And there are various aspects of

39:56

that disclosure that they're identifying and

39:58

they're probably like, all right, how

40:00

are we going to bring up

40:03

this idea that we're already constantly,

40:05

probably in contact with other. life

40:07

forms or archetypes or to use

40:09

Robert Monroe's term energy systems or

40:11

like whatever you want to call

40:13

them beings I don't know well

40:15

let's just let's throw this out

40:17

there let's throw out this idea

40:19

of cyanic contact with benevolent, and

40:22

that's the other thing that's really

40:24

interesting about Barber's story, is he

40:26

really pushes this idea that it

40:28

is benevolent, that no matter what

40:30

you hear, you know, scary stories

40:32

about abduction, scary stories about, you

40:34

know, things wanting to feed on

40:36

you or take you over or

40:38

experiment on you, no, that is

40:41

not what these things are. They're

40:43

of a spiritual nature, they're benevolent,

40:45

Chris Bledsoe, who you brought up,

40:47

says the same thing. But there's

40:49

a lot of people who have,

40:51

you know, who are like, okay,

40:53

well, what about all these anomalous

40:55

injuries? What about the radiation, you

40:57

know, damage that people are suffering?

41:00

What about, you know, what about

41:02

all of those stories of abduction?

41:04

What about cattle mutilate? You know,

41:06

there's so many following questions. And

41:08

of course, I don't think we

41:10

know the answers to those questions,

41:12

but yeah, it's, I have to

41:14

agree that it's probably, I think

41:17

the most parsimonious thing. if it

41:19

is real, is that it's got

41:21

to be some kind of slow

41:23

roll disclosure. Yeah, well, I would

41:25

offer this too, and let's game

41:27

this out a little bit. So

41:29

if you want to avoid catastrophic

41:31

disclosure of an entities or entity

41:33

or entities that exist out there.

41:36

Where would you have the most

41:38

success to do that? Telling people

41:40

that some of the entities and

41:42

harping on, some of the entities

41:44

being, you know, evil and mean

41:46

and ready to kill you and

41:48

do all this stuff or say

41:50

that they're good? So, like, I

41:52

would say, yeah, hey, we know

41:55

about these other ones that are

41:57

bad, but let's just talk about

41:59

the good ones because we are

42:01

trying to do this gradual disclosure.

42:03

And if we just start saying,

42:05

yeah, they're bad, they're bad, they're

42:07

bad. Then when they do unveil

42:09

themselves, I mean, that's when all

42:11

hell is going to break loose.

42:14

But if we say they're good,

42:16

they're good, and then they are

42:18

unveil themselves, and they're good, and

42:20

then we, and the people won't

42:22

freak out freak out as much.

42:24

Does that make sense? Totally. So

42:26

I would, that's what I would

42:28

say as well, because I think,

42:30

you know, what we do know,

42:33

and I don't know if we

42:35

can say, I mean, we could

42:37

always say if they exist. because

42:39

there's still all these different motives

42:41

of why people are doing that.

42:43

But I think it's pretty clear

42:45

now that they're coming out saying,

42:47

yes, they're there. You got Colonel

42:49

Carl Nell who just came out

42:52

straight out and said, hey, look,

42:54

they're here. Nonhuman intelligence has been

42:56

interacting with humanity. This interaction is

42:58

not new and it's been ongoing.

43:00

And they're unelected. people in the

43:02

government that are aware of that.

43:04

There's zero doubt. You know, they're

43:06

interacting on age of disclosure. From

43:08

what I understand, you have multiple

43:11

people from multiple different governments, high-level

43:13

individuals saying, yes, they're here. Now,

43:15

they're not going into detail from

43:17

what I understand as to why

43:19

they're here or whether they're good

43:21

or bad, and, you know, some

43:23

people have had bad encounters. I

43:25

would also offer up for balance,

43:27

one of my mentors, Bill Ray.

43:30

And Bill was one of the

43:32

remote viewers too and actually helped

43:34

run the program for a little

43:36

while as well and went on.

43:38

to have a very very very

43:40

long intelligence encounter intelligence career where

43:42

he didn't retire until he was

43:44

like in his 80s. So this

43:46

guy said that he had several

43:49

encounters where he bumped into these

43:51

different types of entities and one

43:53

he believes that the entity was.

43:55

angel or cherubim that was guarding

43:57

the arc because that's what he

43:59

found out later he was supposed

44:01

to be looking into and others

44:03

he was at the ship that

44:05

he went to it was remote

44:08

viewing the site where a bunch

44:10

of people disappeared from the ship

44:12

and he started having feelings of

44:14

these people being in panic and

44:16

they were dealing with something that

44:18

was very dark and evil so

44:20

much to the point where even

44:22

when he explains it he says

44:25

the visceral response that he gets

44:27

is just still overwhelming and unsettling,

44:29

just talking about it. And so

44:31

one of the things he left

44:33

me with was he said that

44:35

there could, he's worked with double

44:37

agents or he's worked with undercover

44:39

agents that he was running or

44:41

assets, he would call them when

44:44

he was working for these different

44:46

governmental agencies. And He's had instances

44:48

where people, he's a spy, he

44:50

knows these other people were spies

44:52

and they're working for him, he's

44:54

using them as assets, and they've

44:56

been so convincing even to him

44:58

that they were really working for

45:00

just him and giving him information

45:03

and then he finds out there

45:05

a double agent, right? He says,

45:07

so if I'm this super trained

45:09

guys. trained in all of the

45:11

techniques to spot this type of

45:13

stuff and somebody can still fool

45:15

me? How are we to think

45:17

that some entity on some other

45:19

level can't do the same thing?

45:22

Right. So I said, well, what

45:24

would you say? Would you say

45:26

people should take this and go

45:28

out there and try to explore

45:30

these entities? And he said, no,

45:32

run the other way. And I

45:34

said, And what? He's like, yeah.

45:36

He's like, yeah, they could be

45:38

good, but they could be tricking

45:41

you. And they could be using,

45:43

I mean, we could do it

45:45

on a base level. You know

45:47

Chris Ramsey. You know, the average

45:49

person is really easy to fool.

45:51

And it's our desire to say

45:53

we know better, that we are

45:55

better, that we can't be full,

45:57

that actually makes us even more

46:00

fullable, right? That was the same

46:02

tactic we use in Sa'o. Those

46:04

who know are the easiest to

46:06

go after because you wrap everything

46:08

in their knowing and then they'll

46:10

just eat it up, right? So

46:12

us on this little small base

46:14

level, we're saying we can do

46:16

that, then imagine what some entity

46:19

that knows... about the galaxy and

46:21

all this stuff about consciousness could

46:23

do to us and how they

46:25

would be able to fool us.

46:27

You know, so I think that

46:29

was a very fair assessment, not

46:31

saying that I agree with it

46:33

100% but I think that's a

46:35

very fair assessment is that yes,

46:38

you can believe what you want

46:40

and feel what you want and

46:42

say if for me it was

46:44

true, pure love and energy, but

46:46

also maybe we should stay open

46:48

to the possibility that that could

46:50

be... a trip. Yeah, man. Yeah,

46:52

that it's such a hall of

46:54

mirrors. But I think for people

46:57

like myself and I would venture

46:59

just based on what I know

47:01

about you people like you who

47:03

have this, you know, we have

47:05

this seeking disposition. You're you're a

47:07

martial artist. You're a soldier. I

47:09

grew up doing martial arts. You

47:11

know, I'm sure you're very drawn

47:13

to the like the hero's journey

47:16

motif. I am too. It's like

47:18

Just because there's fear there doesn't

47:20

like doesn't mean I don't want

47:22

to investigate it like yeah I

47:24

still I still want to go

47:26

into that like dark forest and

47:28

poke around and see what's there

47:30

and see what's real. Maybe I

47:32

don't need to go into the

47:35

deepest darkest you know cave that's

47:37

the most brimming with goblins or

47:39

anything. but I want to get

47:41

a look, I want to see

47:43

what's going on to some degree,

47:45

you know, and that's led me

47:47

down a multitude of paths of

47:49

exploring different things in my own

47:52

life and obviously it has for

47:54

you too. So I'm assuming that

47:56

you still encourage people to investigate

47:58

these qualities, these realms. I mean,

48:00

you must because you're. It's part

48:02

of your it's part of your

48:04

your living. It's your you're you're

48:06

doing Cy games you're yeah Some

48:08

of these techniques. Well, I think

48:11

you know, I think we could

48:13

hide from it and let it

48:15

you know There's there's things happening

48:17

to you and you happening to

48:19

it right and so when things

48:21

happen to you you have very

48:23

little control over how You know,

48:25

you have control over how you

48:27

respond, but you don't have a

48:30

lot of control over how it

48:32

happens to you. When you happen

48:34

to it, you not only have

48:36

control on how you respond, but

48:38

you also have a little bit

48:40

more control on how you engage.

48:42

And so I think it's fair

48:44

and I think it's a balanced

48:46

way to come at it to

48:49

say, well, okay, instead of me

48:51

hiding from this thing that is

48:53

there and could just start popping

48:55

up in my life. And then

48:57

me then have being motivated to

48:59

try to figure it out, which

49:01

means that I'm reactive and that

49:03

never really works well. It's always

49:05

really good to be proactive and

49:08

then hope for the best and

49:10

you know plan for the worst,

49:12

hope for the best, right? It's

49:14

in my opinion. And so I

49:16

always think this idea of saying

49:18

okay I'm gonna do this but

49:20

I'm gonna do this a responsible

49:22

way I'm gonna find somebody who

49:24

I feel is a good mentor

49:27

not I'm not a I'm not

49:29

a high proponent of like oh

49:31

I just need to meditate and

49:33

I'll tap in and I can

49:35

and I am the guru I've

49:37

just got to awaken the guru

49:39

within me you know like yeah

49:41

yeah I believe that there's this

49:43

ability and these powers there but

49:46

I think mentorship is just like

49:48

really important because there are elders

49:50

and they've gone through some stuff

49:52

and they've had experiences. Now that

49:54

doesn't mean that all of their

49:56

experience is going to relate to

49:58

ours, right? Because you could be

50:00

the one that breaks the mold.

50:02

I tell people that all the

50:05

time when they ask me business

50:07

advice. I say, well, look, this

50:09

didn't work for me, but I

50:11

can't say that won't work for

50:13

you because you could be the

50:15

guy that changes everything, you know,

50:17

or the girl that changes everything.

50:19

try it out. So I am

50:21

open to it. I feel that

50:24

that's one of the reasons for

50:26

the side games. The side games

50:28

is like, hey, if we have

50:30

these abilities, we need to push

50:32

them forward. We need to grow

50:34

them. And up to this point,

50:36

you know, yeah, the only person

50:38

who's really, the only place that's

50:40

put real money and research behind

50:43

this and doing it on a

50:45

real basis is these governmental agencies.

50:47

I don't know if the government

50:49

is always the has the best

50:51

interest of the people all the

50:53

time in these different organizations. So

50:55

maybe we should have a citizen

50:57

version of this as well where

50:59

we actually try to. raise up

51:02

our abilities so that we can

51:04

also engage and we can have

51:06

conversations at the table, right? Because

51:08

the government is supposed to be

51:10

for the people, but it is

51:12

supposed to be a representation for

51:14

the people, but we also want

51:16

to have the people be a

51:19

representation for the people on some

51:21

level. So the side games is

51:23

like, hey, if people are bumping

51:25

into these entities and people have

51:27

these abilities, let's put it on

51:29

the world stage where one we

51:31

can build a strong positive community

51:33

around this. We can collaborate. We

51:35

can have people who have different

51:38

experiences and different strengths collaborate with

51:40

each other to help raise up

51:42

all ships and not just my

51:44

little group in my little corner

51:46

of the world. And then we

51:48

can find mentorship. And then lastly,

51:50

we need to bring on the

51:52

bring up the next generation in

51:54

a world where they don't feel

51:57

like they have to shut down

51:59

their gifts and then they can.

52:01

can reclaim the years that they've

52:03

shut down their gifts. So if

52:05

you think about this is, and

52:07

you've probably seen this too in

52:09

the circles that you go into,

52:11

when we go to Monroe or

52:13

all these different places, the majority

52:16

of the people there are in

52:18

their 40s, 50s, coming to these

52:20

things. And when you talk to

52:22

them, well, how did you get

52:24

started? Oh, yeah, you know, when

52:26

I was a kid, I used

52:28

to be able to see things

52:30

and talk to things and I

52:32

had all these experiences. parents, society,

52:35

community said, nope, that's not something

52:37

we do and that's not real

52:39

or that's evil or whatever thing

52:41

came up. And then they shut

52:43

it down. And then at some

52:45

point they go years and years

52:47

and years and then they have,

52:49

they meet somebody or have an

52:51

experience and they say, oh yeah,

52:54

that's right. When I was a

52:56

kid, I used to do that.

52:58

Let me start now as an

53:00

adult investigating this more. What would

53:02

our society be like if people

53:04

from that age of 10, when

53:06

they had that first experience was

53:08

supported, given love, shown mentorship, given

53:10

mentorship, and now they grow up.

53:13

for 10, 20, 30 years of

53:15

just practicing and believing in this

53:17

ability, where would we be now?

53:19

Where would we be now? What

53:21

would that be like? And so

53:23

the Side Games is like, okay,

53:25

how do we get that more

53:27

of that? How do we make

53:29

a place that's fun for these

53:32

children to go to? part of

53:34

that is meeting them where they

53:36

at. They like to play, they

53:38

like fun. So let's meet them

53:40

where they have fun and let's

53:42

just grow from there, you know,

53:44

and let's do that for adults

53:46

too. And now we can also

53:48

inspire each other, we can push

53:51

each other to new levels. Our

53:53

friend Chris, another friend of ours,

53:55

this guy named Nelson, believes in

53:57

this idea of, you know, he's

53:59

a memory champion, a six-time world

54:01

memory champion or a US memory

54:03

champion. And he talks about how

54:05

when the memory, there was a

54:07

time that science thought that you

54:10

can only hold about nine things,

54:12

six to nine things in your

54:14

head. that one time right and

54:16

that was it that was like

54:18

the cap but now they're up

54:20

to like 500 the champion can

54:22

hold 500 different numbers or items

54:24

in their head and recite them

54:27

in order to you at a

54:29

time right and so that happened

54:31

through competition you know he said

54:33

the same with cards they used

54:35

to say you have five minutes

54:37

to remember 12 Playing cards in

54:39

an order that we choose and

54:41

that was the that was the

54:43

top nobody could beat that he

54:46

said he said then it turned

54:48

into 12 seconds to memorize the

54:50

full deck Wow and just recently

54:52

last year he said that a

54:54

kid a young kid Was able

54:56

to memorize a full deck in

54:58

any order that you put it

55:00

in seven seconds One, two, three,

55:02

four, five, six, seven. The kids

55:05

has already memorized the whole decade.

55:07

Probably, I don't even know how

55:09

they do it, you know, but

55:11

I was just like, that's insane.

55:13

You know, but how did that

55:15

happen? That happened through competition, people

55:17

getting together and, you know, pushing

55:19

each other. So, or a new

55:21

word I heard recently co-op. co-opetition.

55:24

Yeah, it's like cooperation, competition together,

55:26

where we're still working for the

55:28

same goal, but we're pushing each

55:30

other through this inspirational way. So

55:32

that's really what the side games

55:34

is, and that's what we're all

55:36

about, is like, hey, how do

55:38

we do, how do we get

55:40

people to spend more time and

55:43

consciousness? How do we make room

55:45

for youth to kind of grow

55:47

up with this? How do we

55:49

get more people to collaborate and

55:51

come together and build a community

55:53

around this that supports one another?

55:55

take it out of the lab

55:57

where you know labs is great

55:59

a lab is great but you

56:02

know that it's only but so

56:04

far you can get there and

56:06

then you what you're gonna publish

56:08

another paper that nobody's going to

56:10

read. Right. And that people who

56:12

are skeptical are going to say,

56:14

like, no, no, this is, this

56:16

is, this is nonsense. Yeah, I,

56:18

I mean, obviously I respect the

56:21

scientific method and think it's unbelievably

56:23

important and it has rewarded us

56:25

in so many ways. I don't

56:27

want to straw man it. But

56:29

we got to remember, the scientific

56:31

method is something that. human beings

56:33

invented to try to get repeatable

56:35

results and ascertain things about reality.

56:37

It doesn't in and of itself

56:40

determine what is real, right? And

56:42

there's so many parts of life

56:44

that are not captureable, you know,

56:46

by the scientific method. Any kind

56:48

of qualitative, you know, to use

56:50

the philosophy of consciousness term, like

56:52

qualia-based experience, none of that can

56:54

really be captured by the scientific.

56:56

method and I think these abilities

56:59

are so endemicly tied up in

57:01

those qualitative kinds of knowing that

57:03

how you even try to capture

57:05

that just in statistics is not

57:07

it's not satisfactory you know and

57:09

and going back to a lot

57:11

of the justification that they used

57:13

to shut these programs down a

57:15

lot of it had to do

57:18

with like Well, yeah,

57:20

this might be impressive, but it's

57:22

not repeatable. Like this, this one

57:24

occasion, you know, maybe that really

57:26

yielded results, but it's not, you

57:28

can't like put, put it in

57:30

a lab and repeat it. And

57:32

it's like, yeah, well, you don't

57:34

need to do that to prove

57:36

that there's something there. Like, if

57:38

you have a crazy experience or

57:40

I have a crazy experience, I

57:43

know that that happened. this positive

57:45

environment this this friendly environment where

57:47

we're all hanging out and writhing

57:49

and exploring and like seeing what's

57:51

possible that's super exciting man it's

57:53

almost crazy to me that that

57:55

hasn't happened before, that there hasn't

57:57

been something like this, or maybe

57:59

like back in the day and

58:01

like the like Ecelyn's heyday or

58:03

something, maybe they did things like

58:05

this, but yeah, I've never heard

58:07

of anything. Yeah, I know the

58:10

right just to give credit were

58:12

credit is due that went and

58:14

I found this out after I've

58:16

already embarked on the side games.

58:18

I started talking to John Cruz

58:20

who runs the Ryan Research Center.

58:22

Oh, he was saying, Oh, yeah,

58:24

we do we do something like

58:26

a small thing called the side

58:28

games and it's only like 20

58:30

of us we get together and

58:32

we'll play this thing. So it

58:34

actually existed out there and I

58:37

didn't even know that, but then

58:39

it wasn't on this scale. And

58:41

this is really, it's called Side

58:43

Games International because I'm trying to

58:45

bring people from all over the

58:47

world together under this banner, under

58:49

us being able to really explore

58:51

this and build a multinational community.

58:53

where people can train and feel

58:55

comfortable exploring these different realms and

58:57

these different avenues. So that's that's

58:59

really the key right there. And

59:01

so hopefully we get people that

59:04

support it and that want to

59:06

try and you know sometimes people

59:08

have a bad idea or feeling

59:10

about competition. They say, oh, it's

59:12

negative. And I think that's really

59:14

just our culture. Our culture, you

59:16

know, we go to the kids

59:18

football game and we see dad

59:20

over on the sideline cursing at

59:22

everybody and like, you know, telling

59:24

us kids better like score 20

59:26

touchdowns for that day. Versus, you

59:28

know, like, hey, it's all right,

59:31

you know, just have fun. play

59:33

with your friends, you know, do

59:35

the best that you can and

59:37

so on and so forth. And

59:39

this way, if we build this

59:41

community in love and respect and

59:43

inspiration and collaboration, I think that's

59:45

going to be a different environment.

59:47

So I've been offering this on

59:49

every channel that I've talked to.

59:51

I say, hey, look, if you

59:53

feel like competition is not the

59:55

way to go and it should

59:58

be done in love, then get

1:00:00

off your ass and bring the

1:00:02

love to the Yeah, yeah, that's

1:00:04

a good way to do it.

1:00:06

You know, like, don't, don't just

1:00:08

talk, be a keyboard warrior, like,

1:00:10

recognize what we're trying to do

1:00:12

is, again, community, collaboration, inspiration, and

1:00:14

then if you can stand behind

1:00:16

those, then come out and support

1:00:18

and be the change you want

1:00:20

to see, be the person that

1:00:22

helps add that extra light to

1:00:25

the room. And I made some

1:00:27

friends laugh recently. I said, like,

1:00:29

be a care bear because care,

1:00:31

you know, let's join hands in

1:00:33

the room and like let that

1:00:35

heart shine, you know, so don't

1:00:37

just talk about it from a

1:00:39

distance, come and help us out,

1:00:41

come and help us make a

1:00:43

new world. Because it's really funny,

1:00:45

if you look at all the

1:00:47

things that are happening right now,

1:00:49

this is, we are setting the

1:00:52

world up to be not, not

1:00:54

worldly. But cosmically, like we, we're

1:00:56

now talking about UAPs, we're now

1:00:58

talking about NHIs, well, we're now

1:01:00

talking about flying to the moon

1:01:02

and building things on the moon

1:01:04

and that's becoming like more of

1:01:06

a reality or Mars, that's becoming

1:01:08

more of a reality. And then

1:01:10

it's like, well, how do you

1:01:12

make that happen? Well, we gotta

1:01:14

have currency, we can't just fly

1:01:16

dollars all around the place. Yeah.

1:01:19

Oh, okay, well. What about a

1:01:21

digital currency? Just like we saw

1:01:23

in all these like old movies,

1:01:25

we do space fairing, you know,

1:01:27

communities, or they have like a,

1:01:29

you know, this type of money

1:01:31

that you can use anywhere in

1:01:33

any bar in the galaxy, you

1:01:35

know? And so it's like, whoa,

1:01:37

you know, it's kind of weird,

1:01:39

like you start, it's like we're

1:01:41

seeing the beginning of Star Wars

1:01:44

or Star Trek, you know, or

1:01:46

some of these movies, like how

1:01:48

we go from just being a

1:01:50

one planet. culture to multi-planet, multi-dimensional

1:01:52

culture. And what it takes for

1:01:54

that to happen, it takes for

1:01:56

our consciousness to raise, it takes

1:01:58

for our way of doing trade

1:02:00

and monetization to start changing. It

1:02:02

talks about... our world view expanding

1:02:04

beyond just our planet, like all

1:02:06

that stuff is happening right now.

1:02:08

Totally, man. Yeah, and if there

1:02:11

is anything to all of this

1:02:13

size stuff, which at this point

1:02:15

is so hard for me to

1:02:17

deny, we're kind of unveiling the

1:02:19

force too. We're sort of like,

1:02:21

it's indistinguishable from this notion of

1:02:23

the force, this like mysterious interconnected

1:02:25

thing that we're all tapped into

1:02:27

and some people have to be

1:02:29

able to tap into. You can

1:02:31

train yourself to tap into it

1:02:33

to some degree. It's super exciting.

1:02:35

I know you have very limited

1:02:38

time, but just for a fun

1:02:40

way to wrap this. Do you

1:02:42

have any anecdotes that stand out

1:02:44

to you as the most just

1:02:46

mind-blowing thing that you've experienced or

1:02:48

that you've seen firsthand with any

1:02:50

of the exploration that you've done?

1:02:52

Yeah. I went to Monroe, this

1:02:54

is probably one of the biggest,

1:02:56

you know, when I was a

1:02:58

kid I had several psychic moments,

1:03:00

pre-cognitive moments where I, one time

1:03:02

I dreamt a lotto, I told

1:03:05

my mom about it, she played

1:03:07

it locally but not nationally, it

1:03:09

came, the numbers came out nationally,

1:03:11

we would have been bazillionaires, we

1:03:13

probably wouldn't know each other because

1:03:15

I'd be on the beach somewhere

1:03:17

hanging out. So, um, And there

1:03:19

was several other instances that I've

1:03:21

done some really amazing things. It

1:03:23

just came up and popped up

1:03:25

in my mind. So there's that.

1:03:27

But the gateway was probably one

1:03:29

of the most concrete, very real

1:03:32

things. I had an entity come

1:03:34

to me while I was in

1:03:36

that and tell me some things.

1:03:38

And I was left there and

1:03:40

I was still trying to stay

1:03:42

objective. So I was like, maybe

1:03:44

that happened, maybe it didn't happen.

1:03:46

Well, come to follow, I end

1:03:48

up partaking in several different classes

1:03:50

after that. And there were these

1:03:52

individuals in those classes that had

1:03:54

psychic abilities or could tell you

1:03:56

things about your life and this

1:03:59

person. in one class tells me

1:04:01

the same thing that entity told

1:04:03

me, not knowing because I didn't

1:04:05

tell that story. And then I

1:04:07

met another person a few weeks

1:04:09

later who tells me the same

1:04:11

thing that entity told me. So

1:04:13

I'm not sure if I was

1:04:15

precognitive seeing what these people were

1:04:17

going to and I just tacked

1:04:19

on somewhere in my mind my

1:04:21

psyche this entity or if the

1:04:23

entity was telling me about what

1:04:26

I'm going to be in the

1:04:28

future and these people are confirming

1:04:30

that adding confirmation. Either way, that's

1:04:32

pretty mind blowing is pretty awakening.

1:04:34

It did happen. It is real.

1:04:36

So whether I'm precognating it or

1:04:38

whether it was. this actual entity.

1:04:40

It's very, it was very real.

1:04:42

And that happened after I was

1:04:44

with my, my friend Chris Bledsoe

1:04:46

for the first time and he

1:04:48

gave me an encounter with a

1:04:50

UAP and then a few days

1:04:53

later I went back and he,

1:04:55

we had, he facilitated another encounter

1:04:57

with UAP. So the thing I

1:04:59

would tell people anecdotally. is that

1:05:01

all of the systems that I

1:05:03

practice, gateway, remote viewing, mindsight, seeing

1:05:05

without your eyes, all the stuff,

1:05:07

all hinders on your intention and

1:05:09

attention. They all say the same

1:05:11

thing. Focus your intention, maintain attention

1:05:13

on that focus, right? And so

1:05:15

if I was to tell people.

1:05:17

something, I'd say really get strong

1:05:20

in those two things, right? And

1:05:22

then Joe McNacle says another one,

1:05:24

which is a third one, which

1:05:26

is expectation of outcome. Expect that

1:05:28

it's going to have the outcome

1:05:30

that you want it, right? Versus

1:05:32

expecting that it's not or kind

1:05:34

of being in the middle. Set

1:05:36

your intention. I want to communicate

1:05:38

with this or I want to

1:05:40

do this or whatever to maintain

1:05:42

your attention. and then expect that

1:05:44

it's going to be exactly the

1:05:47

way you intend it to be.

1:05:49

And then you will have probably

1:05:51

some really good results. and whatever

1:05:53

field you're dabbling in are working

1:05:55

in. Wow, wow. Man, I would

1:05:57

love to hear the story about

1:05:59

whatever you saw with Chris Belizzo,

1:06:01

but I know we're running very

1:06:03

low on time. Can you give

1:06:05

like the 30 second version? Yeah,

1:06:07

so the first time it was

1:06:09

way up in the sky and

1:06:11

it was flashing and it was

1:06:14

moving back and forth and side

1:06:16

to side and up and down

1:06:18

and it was nighttime. And it

1:06:20

was nighttime. So I was at

1:06:22

first, I was like, and I

1:06:24

had just met Chris. Is this

1:06:26

a. maybe it's a drone but

1:06:28

you know of course you can

1:06:30

hear a drone and it wasn't

1:06:32

so far up that I couldn't

1:06:34

hear it if it was a

1:06:36

drone so I was just like

1:06:39

I don't know I don't I'm

1:06:41

just not sure you know yeah

1:06:43

and so I kind of left

1:06:45

saying okay and one of the

1:06:47

things he told me was he

1:06:49

said hey look Just be positive,

1:06:51

just believe in the possibility that

1:06:53

this can happen and it'll happen.

1:06:55

But if you come in here

1:06:57

and you're like, I don't believe

1:06:59

this stuff, this guy's crazy, blah

1:07:01

blah blah, it'll never happen, it's

1:07:03

not real, then they probably not

1:07:06

going to show up. So he

1:07:08

warned me about that or gave

1:07:10

me that advice ahead of time.

1:07:12

Sure enough. The second time when

1:07:14

I was there, it actually appeared

1:07:16

in some trees ahead of me,

1:07:18

which made me feel like... It

1:07:20

definitely wasn't a, it definitely wasn't

1:07:22

a drone because, you know, drones

1:07:24

have a hard enough time flying

1:07:26

between trees during the day. So

1:07:28

at night, I felt that it

1:07:30

was, and it was this glowing

1:07:33

like orange orb. And in that

1:07:35

same time frame, off to my

1:07:37

right, another light pops up. And

1:07:39

I'm like, Chris, is that one?

1:07:41

You know, I was really excited.

1:07:43

And he said, no, that's my

1:07:45

neighbor. They have a house back

1:07:47

there. So either he was like.

1:07:49

the greatest sci opera ever, you

1:07:51

know, like, and he said all

1:07:53

of the elements to make me

1:07:55

believe, it's a big illusion, or

1:07:57

this was real. And so I

1:08:00

walked away, you know, not only

1:08:02

with his friendship and loving him

1:08:04

as a friend, but also knowing

1:08:06

that what I saw, I couldn't

1:08:08

explain, and if I was to

1:08:10

explain it, I would say it

1:08:12

was some sort of... And that

1:08:14

tells you. Now to finish off

1:08:16

that story in a really great

1:08:18

way, I'm sitting at Tom McNair's

1:08:20

house, one of the remote viewers

1:08:22

I told you about, and we're

1:08:24

discussing, Chris comes up in conversation.

1:08:27

And I'm like, he's like, oh

1:08:29

yeah, I heard about him. I

1:08:31

haven't read his book yet, but

1:08:33

I'm really curious, like, what was

1:08:35

your take? What we're talking about

1:08:37

now? So I explain these two

1:08:39

stories. And he's like, so tell

1:08:41

me more details. You know, this

1:08:43

guy is an ex-CIA operative who

1:08:45

was in the Army intelligence and

1:08:47

all this stuff. He was the

1:08:49

head of all this really high

1:08:51

level stuff in the CIA. So,

1:08:54

you know, he's all about details

1:08:56

and gathering information. And I'm like,

1:08:58

you know, Tom, I just can't

1:09:00

explain it in words. And right

1:09:02

at that exact moment, Mike, right

1:09:04

at that exact moment, my phone

1:09:06

buzzes, right? and I pull it

1:09:08

out in my pocket to see

1:09:10

who's texting me. I look at

1:09:12

it, it says Chris Bledsoe, I

1:09:14

open it up and it's a

1:09:16

recording of him at that exact

1:09:18

time filming a UAP in his

1:09:21

backyard. Hakem. Look, look what came

1:09:23

to see me today. Oh, it's

1:09:25

this, that other. He was like,

1:09:27

I just felt like I needed

1:09:29

to send this to you. He's

1:09:31

saying that. So either he had

1:09:33

a microphone at Tom McNair's house

1:09:35

and they're there. They're now in

1:09:37

cahoots playing this playing this playing

1:09:39

this game on this game on

1:09:41

me, right. There's something else going

1:09:43

on and I met him later

1:09:45

and I told him I said

1:09:48

dude you sent me that video

1:09:50

at just the right time Why

1:09:52

did he's why did you send

1:09:54

that one to me? He was

1:09:56

like, I don't know I just

1:09:58

felt like I needed to send

1:10:00

it to you and so I

1:10:02

did and I was like well

1:10:04

I was here's what was going

1:10:06

on I was trying to explain

1:10:08

it as do what it looked

1:10:10

like when you when I saw

1:10:12

you AP at your house And

1:10:15

right exactly as I was telling

1:10:17

him I didn't have the words

1:10:19

for it, you sent me that

1:10:21

video. And he was like, that's,

1:10:23

and he looks, he smiles, he

1:10:25

says, that's how the phenomenon works.

1:10:27

I was like, okay, okay. Yeah,

1:10:29

man. Wow, I love that. I

1:10:31

wish we had more time. I

1:10:33

could easily talk to you for

1:10:35

another hour, no problem. Well, we'll

1:10:37

have to do it again then.

1:10:39

Let's do it. Yeah, so much

1:10:42

more to ask you, man. But

1:10:44

okay, thanks for doing this. I'm

1:10:46

super stoked about everything you're doing

1:10:48

in Cy games. And yeah, let's

1:10:50

talk again. Yes, sir. Thank you

1:10:52

very much. Welcome to the post-mind-meld

1:10:54

synchronistic musings, my friends. Hope you

1:10:56

enjoyed that one. However abbreviated, Hakim

1:10:58

had really limited time. So anyway,

1:11:00

the synchronicity. As I'm recording this

1:11:02

one, I forget to turn off

1:11:04

my notifications. I see a text

1:11:06

from my friend Bob pop on

1:11:09

the screen. I don't see what

1:11:11

it is. I just dismiss it.

1:11:13

Of course, Hakim tells this... particularly

1:11:15

novel tale in a sea of

1:11:17

novel tales in this one. One

1:11:19

of my mentors Bill Ray, and

1:11:21

Bill was one of the remote

1:11:23

viewers too, and actually helped run

1:11:25

the program for a little while

1:11:27

as well. This guy said that

1:11:29

he had several encounters where he

1:11:31

bumped into these different types of

1:11:34

entities. And one, he believes that

1:11:36

the entity was... angel or cherubim

1:11:38

that was guarding the arc because

1:11:40

that's what he found out later

1:11:42

he was supposed to be looking

1:11:44

into. About this remote viewer viewing

1:11:46

the arc of the covenant as

1:11:48

part of a remote viewing assignment

1:11:50

and what you may not know

1:11:52

is there's a whole era in

1:11:54

the Fort Meade Army remote viewing

1:11:56

project where they are being told

1:11:58

to attempt to remote view a

1:12:01

number of anomalous things. I wish

1:12:03

I could remember who was in

1:12:05

charge of this. It wasn't the

1:12:07

main person in charge. There was

1:12:09

sort of a revolving door of

1:12:11

people at a point in this

1:12:13

project. It's really hard to keep

1:12:15

track of. All these stories are

1:12:17

in the great book Phenomena by

1:12:19

Anne. Jacobson. But anyway, there's one

1:12:21

character who's just having all of

1:12:23

these remote viewers attempt to view

1:12:25

all sorts of anomalous things. Underground,

1:12:28

UFO bases, things like the Ark

1:12:30

of the Covenant. I decided it

1:12:32

was worth actually dropping in here.

1:12:34

The figure that was doing the

1:12:36

anomalous targets was Ed Dames. He

1:12:38

had remote viewers at Fort Meade,

1:12:40

not only look up the arc

1:12:42

of the covenant, but things having

1:12:44

to do with Atlantis, UFOs, so

1:12:46

fun stuff, but definitely controversial stuff.

1:12:48

So anyway, Hakim tells this story,

1:12:50

obviously, tells the name, says it

1:12:52

was Bob Ray, who did this

1:12:55

remote viewing. I checked my text

1:12:57

after we're done recording. I have

1:12:59

this text from my friend Bob,

1:13:01

and it is an article. about

1:13:03

this remote viewing of the Ark

1:13:05

of the Covenant, it dropped on

1:13:07

the exact same day that Hakeem

1:13:09

and I spoke. So naturally I

1:13:11

kind of thought like, oh, Hakeem

1:13:13

must have seen this article. So

1:13:15

I messaged him and I'm like,

1:13:17

man, this is wild. Did you

1:13:19

know that this news story dropped?

1:13:22

Is that why this was on

1:13:24

your mind? And he said, no,

1:13:26

I didn't find out till later

1:13:28

either. And then we had a

1:13:30

laugh about, you know, he also

1:13:32

told that story during the podcast

1:13:34

to the effect of... the thing

1:13:36

Chris Bledsoe told him, I believe,

1:13:38

about how, man, that's just how

1:13:40

the phenomena works. And that was

1:13:42

my first thought, is just like,

1:13:44

God damn it, this is such

1:13:46

a mind-blowing example of just something

1:13:49

coming out of complete left field.

1:13:51

I mean, this is a pretty

1:13:53

woo story, even for me, this

1:13:55

remote viewing of the Ark of

1:13:57

the Covenant. So to have a

1:13:59

synchronicity on something so novel, just

1:14:01

really blew my mind. Okay. So,

1:14:03

the remote viewing idea I had

1:14:05

was, you may or may not

1:14:07

be familiar with Zenner cards, designed

1:14:09

by Carl Zenner and made famous

1:14:11

by the Parasycology. Trailblazer, J.B. Ryan,

1:14:13

the idea is that these are

1:14:16

cards that you can use to

1:14:18

test your ESP abilities. Essentially, they

1:14:20

consist of five different shapes. You

1:14:22

have a plus sign, a star,

1:14:24

wavy lines, a circle, and a

1:14:26

square. This, my friends, is one

1:14:28

of the five. I want you

1:14:30

to attempt to calm yourself, to

1:14:32

find it in your mind's eye.

1:14:34

What is this shape out of

1:14:36

the five that I just mentioned?

1:14:38

Drop it in the comments. We

1:14:40

will do a tabulation after a

1:14:43

week or so, and we will

1:14:45

see if the odds transcend chance.

1:14:47

Keep your peepers peeled on the

1:14:49

third eye drops YouTube page if

1:14:51

you want to see the result.

1:14:53

I will make a post. It

1:14:55

is going to stay right here

1:14:57

on my desk. Take your time.

1:14:59

Focus in. Which of those five

1:15:01

shapes is it? Again, remember, wavy

1:15:03

lines, star, circle, square, or plus

1:15:05

sign? Drop your answer in the

1:15:07

comments and I will give you

1:15:10

the answer in a post later

1:15:12

this week. All right, much love

1:15:14

until then, my friends.