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let's start the shelf for thursday,

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september 1st, 2020 welcome

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hello and welcome to the podcast

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this week for

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small

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if you're watching the video we

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always were yeah i mean that's well

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i can say about the you may you may have questions

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is what i would say you'll have at entered

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many like was only bring

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forth characters that were on screen

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for

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five seconds or less on this channel i

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anymore

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i feel like you shouldn't has left it is no

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contacts that let people come to assess assess

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as and that's it works

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as well i will you heard i met chime

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in its shore for saw his

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fear of course film little the green

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and if you're just looking for the audio what you

1:09

do not know is the shore logged

1:11

on to our video chat as we are

1:13

recording less in full

1:15

make up and costume or

1:18

which was his one that has forecast

1:20

and cry i guess you miss seventy five

1:22

percent costume eighty percent of

1:24

his costume that he wore at

1:26

silicone of was his first costume so

1:29

ago that's weekend hydrant sure

1:31

you're covered i don't if a little under

1:33

the what are you look little it out the colors i

1:37

do agree

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the partially because i got that kind

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of energy flowing through me and

1:42

also because this weekend i get

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to me

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so many

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people that i'm fans of

1:49

including our guest this

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week yeah yes showing

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us on the podcast this week someone whom we

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met in person for the first

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time at cilic and it turns

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out or cheapest apologies we've

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subjected to listening to this podcasts

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for haven't many episodes now i

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it's my corey aka props

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to history welcome

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the so mike

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thank you very much norm thank you for sure

2:15

and i have been listening to this podcast

2:18

i think pretty much since it's inception now

2:20

and i know i guess

2:22

i have read this one of my if one of my go

2:25

to podcasts and and when know

2:27

when for sure walked up to my booth of silicone

2:29

i immediately recognized him but like

2:32

for whatever reason the worst thing for me to

2:34

remember his name's so

2:36

i was struggling to remember

2:38

his name when he first thought that maybe so but

2:41

yes i have been an avid listener of this podcast

2:44

for quite some time

2:45

that's not how i remember it going

2:47

exactly i walk up and

2:50

freddie stram like a a

2:52

blm a proper that ah

2:55

you know deep type of fans have

2:57

tested will know freddie used to be adams

3:00

assisted in this in a cave

3:03

and was at your booth and

3:05

we're talking for a while and then

3:07

like after a couple minutes you're like why do i recognize

3:09

your voice

3:13

well i've seen as part of my own my form

3:15

of like same them as they get away with

3:18

this part of my own awkwardness because if i can't

3:20

remember someone's name i'm i'm somewhat

3:22

embarrassed to like say hello because

3:24

it's expensive i recognize them immediately

3:27

so i was the scanner doc

3:29

for like a record skipping there wasn't

3:31

quite sure how to proceed and then you

3:33

then you kind enough to introduce yourself

3:36

i'm at my loud me that priests go forward sell

3:38

it

3:39

if you don't mind me guessing about

3:41

your channel because of prosser

3:44

history there's one

3:46

of my favorite things on tic tac he got me

3:48

onto the platform the

3:51

kids are early on like and

3:53

i know i may have been on to catholic two weeks

3:56

i saw one here videos and i

3:58

was like oh man this algorithm those

4:00

me there is already showing me like the crock

4:02

pot building peers and will hook

4:04

me was that you tell these and this

4:07

short form format

4:09

you will just hold up a prop any

4:11

will literally talk about it's history and

4:13

it's place inside of movies and it's usually

4:15

something relatively obscure

4:18

five has some like character

4:21

and story behind it and i

4:23

was hooked immediately and

4:25

so i'm in goober fan

4:27

i have to tell you my biggest glass shattering

4:29

moment this week and is i never

4:31

knew your actual name

4:33

how many totally out like oh no

4:36

like if like seeing somebody from

4:38

the radio like meeting limited improve

4:40

mail has been lowered the and as loud

4:43

as loud as his first name is prop

4:45

but many but you

4:47

know history last name

4:49

that i gave it a shot

4:51

a good friend of mine actually i'd i had shirts

4:53

made for silicone that bad my name on

4:55

on and as a story behind why i have my name

4:57

on their shirts anyway but i

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posted it online and he says who is this

5:02

my first some your name is props to history

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and and because most people for the longest

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time i had no idea what my real name was

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i didn't make it public and then after

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then after i realized that i didn't really

5:13

matter that much so then i just started using

5:15

my real name

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and now it's it's ,

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how many people will just still

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call me props props props

5:23

to history and i am fine with that it's

5:25

not the worst thing to be call in the world i've been

5:27

called far worse it's

5:30

not bad it's it's pretty good moniker and fussy

5:32

in moniker in fussy you are emerging world are

5:34

now kind of the the dominant

5:36

world of tic toc with something i actually wanna hear

5:39

more about want to hear about some of the stories

5:41

you've told on tic toc on your

5:43

you tube channel one died seep into

5:45

props and history few things

5:47

that we are of very interested here in

5:50

the channels but i want to also start

5:52

off with a recap of silicones

5:54

last week we had jen sector

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on sunshine on forty

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eight hours away from running

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the show the maker verse part of

6:03

silly com and the weekend was a whirlwind

6:05

l know for you guys and we were pretty

6:07

easy over on on on here for sure

6:10

and i we can have stalled and saturday morning

6:12

when i was already set up there was him there

6:15

know ryan and mel martinez said up

6:17

tested booths obviously

6:19

i guess like you like had set up

6:21

your boots and boots and the vendors had had

6:23

south so we gotta enjoy to walking

6:26

into convention and running around

6:28

and our what you but it went

6:30

by so fast know without oh

6:32

it was much fine

6:34

it was lightning fast it was it was

6:36

i began and and it was over and

6:39

stuff and i'm glad to give you mention that jen

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schachter was and

6:44

be absolute glue that kept that

6:46

whole thing from the railings she was amazing

6:48

from the very first moment that she

6:51

reached out until the very end of

6:53

the show and even beyond

6:55

that and just the absolute the

6:57

absolute human being but it was so

6:59

a com is actually my first call

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on ah as a guest

7:03

i have never been i guess i've never had

7:05

a booth at a con before so

7:07

, is the as a whole new experience for

7:09

me but along the people that were in

7:12

the maker verse like evil tad

7:14

and and stephen scars from sk as props

7:16

are frankly built i'm the baby

7:19

the other all friends of mine from before

7:21

the con beverly down

7:23

and odin and

7:26

i got to me

7:27

more people within the make reverse that i've never

7:29

met before but had followed online like sophie

7:31

wong a seventy chance and

7:34

it was so awesome the be able to interact

7:36

with all these people that are pretty much the

7:38

same mindset is me we

7:41

all have that that background as makers

7:43

as prop maker is is just all around just

7:45

nerds who nerd out about nerdy things

7:47

and and it was so much fun the

7:49

spend all this time of these people and people blocks

7:52

you're telling the pretty printing nerd and

7:54

everything i and i've been i've been friends with

7:56

him for quite some time and that says it was

7:58

like hanging out with all of friends and

8:00

then making new friends while being in a con

8:03

in and out of walks by and that's just kind

8:05

of how the how silicone was and

8:07

it was just

8:08

like you said he was started and

8:10

then it was gone have any yeah

8:13

, and fit a word picture little bit of just of

8:15

the the layout of the convention because

8:18

it's of a medium sized convention

8:20

nowhere near as big as your your your com

8:22

because you're said you will com a kind of salt

8:25

a little more intimate at the silken at

8:27

the ascent of the convention center and typically

8:29

when you go to a convention a pop culture convention

8:31

we haven't been when you've listened out there you know there's

8:34

a main exhibit hall and usually

8:36

divided offenders area

8:38

where you can buy things and retail weather's

8:41

collectibles are handmade objects

8:43

out his artist alley area so

8:46

those are more tables the artist

8:48

wrath of salt their stickers

8:50

are drying his key chain thing that things thing

8:52

are me they've made they've user there's a celebrity

8:55

section where there's a whole row of

8:58

more kind of i got a lines for

9:00

people to get autographs and and photos

9:02

with the the ,

9:04

the marquis guess so you're actors

9:07

i hear it was christopher lloyd

9:09

and in stores decay but

9:11

what was i think you need about this

9:13

show this there is that where you're at

9:16

my which was the the table the boots further

9:19

the makers were you guys weren't necessarily

9:21

selling things and you guys were

9:24

were had bigger presence then ah

9:26

your typical artist alley table i'd

9:28

it was a for the gets ten by ten ten

9:30

for by ten foot booth for each be were

9:33

you could bring examples

9:35

of the projects you're done and everyone around

9:37

you like to get the you mention from evil

9:39

tad built around

9:41

frankly belt and nobody makes and as guess

9:43

crops brought the filled out their boots

9:46

with different objects made of all

9:48

sorts of mixed media and people just come

9:50

by was right by that maker verse area

9:52

the the workshop area in the workshop stage

9:55

to was hang out and chat the

9:58

had a very much a maker faire of

9:59

the

10:00

that yet where people just got your hang out there was no

10:02

agenda they were it was meeting

10:04

people there was it was very informal

10:07

and it was very much to say hangar

10:10

it felt so relaxed i

10:12

was i wasn't sure what i was walking into

10:15

and i got there but because so

10:17

many of us knew each other already

10:19

and those the didn't know each other rapidly

10:21

did it just became very

10:23

very comfortable just like hanging out with your friends

10:26

at someone's house and they're just so

10:28

happens to be almost cost players around and

10:30

it was just the honestly was it was one

10:32

of them best experiences have ever had at a con

10:34

whether it's a car or actual com o'connor

10:36

maker faire and i think it was just

10:39

because of that really relaxed sort

10:41

of familiarity with existed within the makers

10:44

and it and anywhere we walked it was pretty much the

10:46

same way and i did like how

10:48

open everything was in that con

10:50

it didn't feel like there was this

10:52

section this sex in this section was just this

10:54

was the com

10:55

anyway low right right on one

10:57

side has all the other with a big five

10:59

thousand square foot workshop area

11:02

in the middle yeah was wonderful the worship

11:04

area was so much fun all the different stuff

11:06

that was going on over there all the time

11:08

added

11:10

i gotta say when it's something for me

11:13

was , was talking to a friend of

11:15

mine mine steve who i

11:17

mean i cosplay group with he has

11:19

plays and we costly and of a fast

11:21

food adventures costly group and

11:25

he is pointing at his friends costume

11:27

the is like okay so

11:30

i learned this technique from oden

11:32

i learned this technique from sophie

11:34

i learned this like me and just pointed to different

11:36

parts a costume and was like

11:38

the i watch their videos to understand

11:40

how to make this a watch

11:42

the radio to understand how to make this

11:44

pattern i know i watch this video

11:46

to understand how to like die clothing

11:49

and it like all sunlight clicked together

11:51

to me about how

11:53

the at all these makers

11:56

like influence people

11:58

in totality not just individually

12:02

and that resulted in people building these

12:04

cars ways and any in any way

12:06

like way like to con so much to see like

12:09

what are the mashups the massive that was there

12:11

was like the maker massa that

12:14

was beautifully on display in

12:16

a maker verse area where you'd

12:18

seen makers working side

12:20

by side with some of the

12:22

oh geez of prop making

12:25

i end up doing some

12:27

ridiculous stuff like when will

12:29

you see evil ted smith who is

12:31

literally the odor

12:35

trying to build an alien

12:37

space suit up with your alley

12:40

like on a saturday night and they're just going

12:43

for it he was it was that kind

12:45

of like massive but in the spirit

12:47

of maker faire that really was

12:50

just so enthralling and so up

12:53

the and that there was

12:55

it was such an odd because i was down on the

12:57

floor bar building a

12:59

spacesuit as well while i was going on and

13:01

and you know ben eighties painting himself

13:04

read and make himself look like more from work

13:06

and mindy and that he decides to pardon

13:09

me while covered in well written

13:11

flower i went red paint a

13:14

, it was it did feel a lot like

13:16

a maker faire but at the same time it was a corn

13:19

and it was was it was that familiarity

13:21

with everybody had with each other that just made of them

13:24

was more was and even

13:26

though the what is the weekend went by really fast it's

13:28

really anchored in my memory with all

13:30

the great cause playing great moments that stuck

13:32

out so advocate of shutouts are all

13:34

the tests viewers and members

13:37

who stopped by our booth and said hi

13:40

not just during your adams autograph sessions

13:42

but also with and as meet and greet we had to

13:44

see contributors and there to

13:47

so lot of premium members are patrons that

13:49

will combine hang out and see some of the think that

13:51

he knew we were actually really surprise for us really

13:53

fun to see for vm guys

13:56

because week channel we see some these props

13:58

day to day in the studio people

14:00

were freaking out at the foil ball the

14:03

tinfoil ball that you know that

14:05

that adam hammered out aluminum

14:07

foil balls the am adam have hammered and with that

14:09

we water jet and half we had that

14:11

on display for freaking out about that

14:13

a lot of you will love checker had

14:16

her a book that inspired

14:18

by our narnia wardrobe

14:20

a book knock and forget

14:22

like through are people who maybe don't know what

14:24

books are or maybe this the first time they've seen one

14:27

of the style and keyboards any pictures

14:29

of that and even some the die rama that

14:31

you know canine miniatures again i had painted

14:33

him a job we did that doesn't explain people really enjoyed

14:35

the so lot of great new fan for

14:38

ratings for existing fans of the channel

14:41

or but what are your favorite like to cause plays

14:43

or sites in favorite memories from

14:45

the show

14:46

i think one of my favorite memories from the show

14:49

is when i first dot my booth

14:51

set up and and you guys were getting

14:53

the tested booth finished and

14:55

i walked over there and adam

14:57

spacesuit was there from

15:00

the little short film that he done it phone co

15:02

and and i've been friends with on davis for

15:04

while so i'd been on that set where they filmed

15:07

and , was gonna like it was kind of fun

15:09

to see that in person person also

15:11

basic the day or two days before adam

15:13

had posted his his preview of what

15:15

his ah his incognito

15:18

cosplay was gonna be and i had a i

15:20

suspicion that it was mccready

15:23

because it looked exactly like an

15:25

m ninety one flame thrower tanks and

15:28

as i walked up and saw the flame thrower

15:30

and i was like i was right and i knew that at some

15:32

point a be walk around recruits unforeseen

15:35

seem i think around was doing was panel when i was doing

15:37

that

15:38

but it was it was fun to see bad and then

15:41

like got yours and and and tate's models

15:43

that were up there as i've i started as a model

15:45

maker so i'm i'm

15:47

just absolutely fascinated by miniature works and

15:50

i absolutely loved and i got to meet new a panel

15:52

with kate later and i'd been watching her

15:54

work for quite a long time as well so was

15:56

nice to see it was founded his need

15:59

them from l a

15:59

call maker of her skill level and then

16:02

walking

16:04

around, there was walking

16:10

around the mcdonald's employees

16:12

from the fifth element

16:14

now it was really well done

16:16

and i , i'm so

16:18

sorry for her i have month names are so

16:20

hard for me me cannot remember

16:23

her name for the life of me an hour

16:25

to try to limit signs of oh yes

16:28

i think it's feel it's have

16:30

my phone in front of me i couldn't look it up with

16:32

oct to show with oct you what were some

16:34

of the your favorite moments and cosplay that you saw wow

16:38

so are going to go alone little

16:40

off the beaten path here so

16:43

sorry aghdashloo from the

16:45

excess yeah and

16:48

there's , moment when nasa moment

16:51

when was there and they had scientists

16:53

that had been working on elements of

16:55

the arguments mission which should

16:57

launch this upcoming weekend the

17:00

in three of the scientists we spoke

17:03

farsi the and show rate

17:05

came to the nasa blues and

17:07

was speaking in farsi with the scientists

17:10

and

17:11

the were just having a mobile i was

17:13

like

17:14

that feels like import like what

17:17

it went lake where with the were

17:19

watching they're in they're doing it under

17:21

the banner of nasa there's a good giant

17:23

nasa logo over them as they're

17:25

having this conversation i live

17:28

for that kinda stuff that was awesome

17:31

i i'll tell you i walked in

17:34

i had i dunno it seems and as

17:36

walking in from the from the parking

17:39

garage ah and i saw shelley

17:41

carver the video of shelley

17:43

and my keys amazing cosplay

17:45

from

17:46

the a writer skywalker

17:48

am one of them

17:50

the only rank the sith metal sniff

17:53

yeah yeah i literally didn't even know that characters

17:55

mean that was a little ones that dory

17:57

you know yeah five seconds on

18:00

but it was

18:01

the so sell you a

18:03

mighty were both sitting down he

18:05

did they had been walking around and

18:07

they're both just already like cosplay tired

18:10

where you have to like set against a wall somewhere

18:13

because you're like overheating and they're doing that

18:15

in shelley waved him as like a

18:18

sec ashore in like ways me

18:20

over and when seen each other in like

18:22

three years since

18:24

the before times and and

18:27

i highlight late because she liked

18:29

and stands up and just in the most proud

18:31

wait like takes me through what you saw

18:33

in that video with norm earlier this

18:35

week and that again is like

18:37

one of those can i like special moments where you

18:39

get her actually i'm

18:42

a you know experience some of these a

18:44

costume through how they built it i'm

18:47

the person that one the

18:49

the the costume contest a

18:52

we've known her for a while sarah

18:54

as their parker

18:56

i've known her from dragging on for a

18:58

number of years you are the horizon west

19:00

yes ah m i l a

19:02

lawyer the and

19:05

her partner were there and they were just talking

19:07

about like how they were just rushing

19:10

the the you know the tennis spear

19:12

build a towards the end of were telling

19:14

me that

19:15

that's what i the about you

19:17

know

19:19

yes for for so because blaze those moments

19:21

are great it was great other the after party

19:23

on saturday worry that it was the the

19:26

after the it all the attention

19:28

of the build up for this for said convention it

19:30

felt like it that with the great release waiver got

19:32

to hang out and it

19:34

, a max keiser man man

19:36

are of luna replicas and his team

19:39

all matching you know replica jackets

19:41

are light blue jackets you think adam were them on

19:43

tested before they were on force

19:46

us at the party which is great cause

19:48

lengthwise ticket get

19:50

a mention this on the watch familiar today but

19:52

a deep cut a bay area

19:55

cause play which was the winchester

19:57

mystery

19:58

the answer

19:59

yeah you know about winchester

20:01

mystery house mike i do

20:04

not like

20:07

real local history but

20:10

it was a piece

20:12

architecture our

20:15

local strange, weird

20:17

haunted, building tours in

20:20

but built by a widow

20:22

of the the rifle

20:25

and there's a story

20:27

behind it but at the house

20:29

has house has stairways that leader

20:32

said nowhere and feel

20:34

all sorts of interesting architectural elements

20:37

it's a mystery house in the truest form of the word

20:39

and while the one was buried at it

20:42

as the ab as

20:44

the house and the house itself yes

20:46

that is and you have a i didn't tell you look

20:48

thirteen channels on the chandelier or anything

20:50

but yes it's a glare kind of strays i say

20:52

that local look lovely piece of local

20:55

local color local interests of

20:57

this me this me this first time in san jose

21:00

so perhaps perhaps next year

21:02

if if i'm able to come back to silicone i'll

21:04

go check that out because it does sound quite

21:06

fascinating there

21:09

is also a cause player at

21:13

, name gabriella a reynosa

21:16

who on the first day

21:18

she and her friend

21:20

or cause playing as while they were

21:22

in

21:23

the guy get this right use renaissance inspired

21:26

the costuming and

21:28

it so imagine all the structure in the form

21:30

of renaissance dress

21:33

resonance gown with form

21:35

aware that her friend was wearing

21:38

was but it would have all made to

21:40

look like meat and flesh

21:43

i know where my all these

21:45

that she has she called it the duchess

21:48

of a dozen eyes and her

21:50

duke and she made both as

21:52

costumes at it look like

21:54

sewn flash like sewn

21:56

skyn as very

21:58

meal was read out whore or something like right

22:00

right on the clive barker book or something i

22:03

was absolutely brilliant yeah and it was one

22:05

of those things that the the closer you looked

22:07

the more weirded out grotesque

22:10

hitler which was her goal but

22:12

the coolest thing and are the reason

22:14

it's i agree moment and memories because we did interview

22:17

with her and and learn about the costume and

22:19

that allows on saturday and sunday we

22:22

saw some are walking by our booth and adamant

22:24

of this they also live streams and

22:26

it was in a zero more

22:28

queen ruff like

22:31

queen elizabeth and leader elizabeth un

22:33

zero more queen and we call

22:36

the cops were over and it was gabby again

22:38

it was the same cause player that was

22:40

her sunday costume and so she has is

22:42

wonderful mashup of formal

22:45

wear historical formal wear with

22:47

something from pop culture or some it's

22:49

truly disturbing that

22:51

will have our i favor of the show she was the better best

22:54

of show for me the me that

22:56

i didn't see the queen in passing

22:58

like from a distance because distance kept getting

23:00

pulled all over the place on sunday but at the i

23:03

did see the see the the

23:05

and duchess of of that was a good they call themselves

23:07

of the blood such a dozen eyes and

23:09

thirty five

23:10

they were fantastic

23:12

it we should sat out the droid

23:15

builders there's always droid builders our

23:17

yeah i'm a here but i'm

23:20

matt hobbes is wally always

23:22

ahead to so much character or

23:24

but i think the real kind of like

23:27

stoner to me was sighs

23:29

be be a it was just it

23:32

like it was impact

23:33

that ninety eight like

23:35

and i think bb eight had the most

23:37

self he is taking with it have anything

23:39

at the con like adam no

23:42

not even close it was definitely be

23:44

be a decidedly ,

23:46

who is your fantasies fantasies

23:48

an animation at pixar technical

23:51

director i believe at pixar suffixes

23:53

on one of the series about like you know the dizzy

23:55

characters and how people and in embrace fandom

23:58

and and do builds the

24:00

she and her teammate am a

24:02

chris christie , for

24:05

stroud i believe i always hear

24:07

from north carolina so remote collaboration

24:10

so remote be be a not even their first deviate

24:12

that they filled of but

24:15

it was the if it was like the it reached

24:17

a peak bb eight in terms of it's mechanic

24:19

so smooth the most and their

24:21

whole thing you as engineers as

24:23

as designers was about making sure

24:26

it not only could balance because after

24:28

the be a solvable problem for be be eight dollars

24:30

these days but visual of the c b a

24:33

could have a personality could that

24:35

could be pocketed and could interact with

24:37

the children and adults that came up to

24:39

it and there was a moment that are

24:41

the i think bb eight an the wally

24:44

or maybe just the bbh went onstage

24:46

with adam right before they

24:48

did the iss panel right before they

24:50

did it it's the a video chat with

24:53

the international space station earlier

24:57

on shell lingering was up there and

24:59

i they had they a a conversation

25:02

and then in one of the most fantastic

25:04

ways and the panel the

25:06

show lingering basically squeezes

25:09

out some water i'm

25:11

as it's floating around and does like a flip

25:13

and and sex in the the

25:15

water as a sphere and it's like

25:18

they serve for joining us that's your might

25:20

drop from space

25:21

but

25:23

good times good times

25:25

will have a bunch of videos from the

25:27

show a rolling out this week and

25:29

next week but all people we mentioned

25:32

will include some links as where you can find

25:34

them although the makers of course

25:36

including mike as you can check out the channels

25:38

and and but they even what they are getting chance

25:40

the posts from

25:43

from the show also want your special shout outs bevel

25:45

down in in housing brats who

25:47

set up his his photography

25:50

is physically during

25:52

photoshoots of cause players and making

25:54

them look heroic an incredible

25:57

on anyone who wanted a photo they could schedule

25:59

it

25:59

and bread and his assistant alex

26:02

or said the whole weekend taking photos

26:05

before we move on i have to say

26:07

one one thing i

26:09

know this fact we do is really apparent

26:12

when you visit makes move he

26:15

brought a bunch of fifth element stuff

26:17

as you like to say ah

26:19

and ah he showed the stones

26:23

the three of them right

26:27

have you gotten real that story like i loved it

26:29

because like every time you told that story i could see

26:31

somebody be like why and they like

26:34

their minds were blown just briefly so

26:36

her for some of the the stones and

26:38

i don't think of this translates to every single

26:40

version of there's numerous variations

26:43

of the four stones from the fifth element that are used

26:45

throughout the film the film the it's

26:48

hard to pin down and number but there's

26:50

upwards of from anywhere

26:52

from six to twelve different

26:54

scots of the stones used throughout

26:56

the production of the film and the

26:59

ones that are carried around inside the tuxedo

27:02

after you remove them from bob laguna

27:05

there's only three scott

27:07

because they just turn the other one upside down that

27:10

gives you the fourth stone and

27:14

the one that i have are actually cast from

27:16

those and there's only actually three different

27:19

sculpts and needs make a fourth one

27:21

and flip it upside down when you have all four cents

27:23

an hour from a couple people work for

27:25

them production they said that that wasn't uncommon

27:29

because they just made a super fast and put

27:31

him out on sat and then this shot was perceived

27:34

was shot and that was kind of the end of it and

27:36

as far as i understand those there's only

27:38

a couple of sets of those actual product like screen

27:40

you stones last and

27:42

one of the my nose own the pilot passionately

27:44

last i heard it was by a

27:47

they're they're exceptionally rare things but

27:49

i do love to tell people that story that like

27:51

if there's only actually freestone south for

27:54

least from a specific set

27:56

the editing i loved is because you cassis

27:58

from the the it was cast the mold

28:00

you can see a fingerprint only get over

28:03

it or something on what it's like

28:06

, when who i don't know the story behind

28:08

the thumb print by town i'm hoping

28:10

one day i'll find out and i i'm trying

28:12

to pin down who was it actually sculpted

28:14

those cars that seems that there are several

28:16

sculptures used as well i

28:19

will that's i will the way transition into

28:21

talking about the work you do make

28:24

an props the history in general

28:26

and they have you tube channel but as

28:28

for much any very president

28:31

and popular on on tic toc health

28:33

about your journey tulsa your journey making

28:35

the channel making the cyber contents

28:38

i and prop making in general and

28:40

similar the fun stories you read or share

28:42

well like i said i started out as a model

28:45

maker when i was probably five or

28:47

six years old like every lost so many kids did

28:49

i started making model kits and

28:51

overtime that overtime that from just making

28:53

plastic scale model kits and to scratch

28:55

building and trying to replicate he

28:58

couldn't find kits for an eye

29:01

for a little while i made models for some

29:04

museums and eight completed

29:06

as a model maker and that

29:08

fell by the wayside as i got a little older but

29:11

it wasn't until

29:12

probably two thousand eighteen

29:15

the two thousand and seventeen to of making

29:17

that someone the me if i could

29:19

build a costume for a horse

29:22

the dead and i buy built an adult

29:24

costume for a two thousand pound clydesdale

29:27

and that's open the door

29:30

the it's a picture that circulates on the internet like

29:32

every halloween and may the fourth and

29:35

it went viral and iconic

29:38

that was fun and

29:40

it always loved film and filming

29:42

models were always something i was very very

29:44

attached to and

29:47

i started going away from building

29:49

models and then trying to replicate props

29:51

and it's just stayed as a hobby and but

29:54

haven't come from in a mall maker research is very

29:56

much part of it and i

29:58

was researching was much as i

29:59

more more more more as they became obsessive

30:02

about making props more more accurate

30:05

one day a coworker said hey you should

30:07

put this on tic toc what you do on

30:09

to calculate how can i talk to

30:11

target the path for teenagers why would i do

30:13

that then i fought against it for a while

30:15

and so i've decided okay i'll try it

30:18

i'd used instagram before and and and

30:20

and twitter etc but it never went anywhere

30:22

i posted my very first video on on

30:24

take talk about a year and a half ago and

30:27

it was about the book of the dead and

30:30

how it is associated with something in

30:32

air real history

30:34

and it

30:35

wow went viral almost immediately am

30:37

it is something like seven million views in

30:39

two days and i

30:42

thought well maybe people are actually interested in

30:44

this and

30:45

i try i'd i'd started from

30:47

there to share my passion for

30:50

not only the props themselves

30:52

and how they were made but also who made the

30:55

and that has

30:57

led to me making

30:59

a lot of connections in the industry itself

31:02

and then getting the stories of

31:04

these prop makers that made

31:06

all this stuff i was i've been able to interview

31:08

the artists who created bigger the carpathian

31:10

the axes painted the painting

31:12

they created all of a concept art created

31:15

, costume and i've i've been

31:17

to their home of ah eight

31:20

are viewed in the interviews on you tube i'm

31:22

max or volunteer civilized created

31:25

the starship troopers armories the

31:28

carousel half from beetlejuice style

31:30

on with mike more i've

31:33

been been a make more shop with it's just

31:35

the the number of people that i've been able to

31:37

meet because of his our

31:39

i become friends with farm davis of infante

31:42

studios numerous times earliest

31:44

press just you name it it's

31:46

is it's just all these wonderful

31:48

doors open because i just wanted to tell people

31:50

stories it it

31:52

now turned into i just wanna

31:54

tell the stories of the people that literally make

31:56

movie magic and

31:59

no one else

31:59

the on a story

32:01

and i think that's a shame and

32:03

i absolutely and and i think growing up you

32:05

know we see the the credits

32:07

are these folks may be in like a sin effects

32:09

or in a an

32:11

old star log magazine or something right and there

32:13

is definitely i like an aura of

32:16

magic around them like these were

32:19

the a practical effects wizards ryan that you

32:21

name young names sound like you know like

32:23

a like

32:24

they make up artists

32:26

i got gov rick baker or comical westmore

32:29

and like these are folks use like you've never felt

32:31

like you've never even get close that

32:33

they live in a different world by turns

32:35

out like they're happy tell their stories

32:37

is the thing same thing we found over the years

32:39

don't just because no

32:41

one else is telling their stories and they're all

32:44

like it they were a lot of his work

32:46

for hire air that the

32:48

the

32:49

they didn't know that there the fanbase out there that's interesting

32:52

and are more unhappy to do it

32:55

and i was i was quite surprised how open

32:57

so many of them were because i think a

32:59

lot of them they really likes to talk about

33:01

the work they've done because ,

33:03

done some amazing stuff some absolutely

33:06

cool things have been built built

33:08

film that were on scream for seven

33:10

seconds the know and then that's

33:12

the last to solve it until it's you know when gotten

33:15

hidden gotten and a

33:17

big part of this started because

33:20

prof store reached out to me

33:22

and we started going

33:24

back and forth and i went out and i promoted

33:26

one their auction so i got access to

33:28

all of these robson and that's

33:30

opened the door to prop houses

33:33

are pop rental houses as are sometimes called

33:36

different collectors and now i regularly

33:38

do promotional stuff with prof store

33:40

so i'm able to get up close to

33:42

these cyber rare pieces from

33:44

film history like most recently

33:47

that are i was out in l a for their their

33:49

vip thing with the the exiling

33:51

that sold for over a million dollar oh yeah

33:53

are abusing blog and are you you guys are

33:55

there to and and it was to

33:58

just be able to get close to the stuff and the

34:00

story of it what was used

34:02

to build it almost

34:04

no one knows this and

34:06

bear such unbelievably fascinating

34:08

stories and when you start

34:10

to delve into the past

34:13

and some of these things have taken in their life

34:15

the still survives from back in

34:17

the day when things are just tossed in the trash

34:19

in which was very common at one

34:21

point unfortunately and so must have been lost

34:24

because of it but i'm utterly fascinated

34:26

by that side of side of history

34:29

and it's now sort of taken

34:31

over my life so

34:34

you have any favorites like serves

34:36

some props that used told stories

34:39

about over the last year and half their

34:41

really stick with you

34:42

yes actually if one of my favorite

34:44

stories to illustrate a

34:47

number of things one how hollywood's

34:49

treated props at one time and

34:51

, also the streams past that things

34:53

can take and it's the filming model from

34:56

nineteen seventy from there

34:58

was a new hope and they

35:01

only made one full size

35:03

the only model of the death star when i say full

35:05

size i mean about four feet in diameter three

35:07

and half perfect moment and

35:09

at the end of production everything went into storage

35:12

and

35:14

you know in between the end of production released to

35:16

the film there's and be a long period

35:18

of time woke somebody decided they

35:20

didn't want to keep it in storage anymore for whatever

35:22

reason and there's multiple reasons that i've heard

35:24

as to why and they

35:27

said throw it all the trash one

35:30

of the guys that work if the storage facility

35:32

likes the death star then took

35:35

it home who was mom's house in

35:37

missouri where she put it out in

35:39

front of her and fixed or outdoors

35:42

in the weather for a couple

35:44

years until it was purchased by

35:46

a our country and western hockey town

35:49

whereas are ultimately ended up being used

35:51

as a trashcan because

35:53

the laser disc had long

35:55

since disappeared and had and perfect whole to throw

35:57

garbage it

35:59

and

36:00

finally someone who knew what

36:02

it was able to get their hands on it then

36:05

ultimately it ended up in the hands

36:07

of a collector who had fully

36:09

restored

36:11

now it sits in there for yea most

36:13

of the time completely restored behind glass

36:16

or is it it a goes to museums on occasion

36:19

but it's survived

36:22

being thrown in the trash and ultimately

36:24

ended up as a trash can and that's how

36:26

the death star survived for

36:28

the world to be no to keep it in habit as

36:30

a treasure of of film history and

36:32

assistant of assistant illustration of

36:34

what can happen

36:36

because at that time how

36:39

much was just discard

36:42

we hear their stories

36:44

so many times and yeah we known

36:46

for people who are other collectors are people

36:49

who work in the the props frustration

36:51

nord the , auction trade

36:54

ah there it becomes a whole investigation

36:57

into than anybody in the provenance

36:59

of care this is the and

37:01

it's not just our studio wall

37:04

the offloading props for our when a production

37:06

ends with lot and case knows these days

37:08

is sourced expensive and how they

37:10

would have some of the costs but those are kind

37:12

of the best stories where someone finds your

37:15

costume or prof in you

37:17

know what with a film shot in the uk to

37:19

in someone's guardian or something because

37:22

you have kept the

37:23

like goes there is a from the first ghostbuster

37:25

goes or his costume

37:27

because mostly bubble wrap that

37:29

have started life as was found on

37:32

our enough thrift store if

37:34

somebody and got not

37:36

too long ago if i recall that's

37:38

how i survived just somebody took it home from

37:41

sad and

37:42

it just ended up going through so many and the sullivan

37:44

opponents as a at a thrift store the

37:47

dorothy's dress that happened to be in a

37:49

church storage facility for so long

37:51

and it's just amazing

37:54

the thing is that these these

37:56

probably go through and managed to survive

37:59

edit

37:59

begs the question of what else is hiding

38:02

out there he , use did you

38:04

see lately ill as if something went viral

38:06

me going on twitter it was sylvester

38:08

stallone stallone frozen

38:11

body from demolition man

38:13

yes surfaced in australia

38:16

in an antique store yesterday

38:18

and it was the is it and it look it lists

38:20

and so in lists in so man

38:23

both he and wesley snipes are frozen

38:25

and sensitive and and veto in a crowded

38:27

of the frozen to the future and so they

38:29

had a full bodied naked

38:32

sylvester stallone with like a modesty

38:35

covering have been a full face

38:37

golf with like they're punched

38:39

hair or some type of you know hair

38:41

ah but it was hi in plex

38:44

here hover it was in the film never met see

38:46

up close and ,

38:48

story is that among many

38:50

other props from from stallone films

38:53

it went to a planet hollywood restaurant

38:56

because those were our big franchise in

38:58

franchise ideal an lot of arnold cross lot of while

39:00

it's proximal something that other ladies

39:02

and other ladies nineties when you know in the

39:04

ceilings of the walls of planet hollywood

39:06

and those one in australia which

39:09

shutdown or , well

39:11

what's renovation and that was a price

39:14

ceiling prop which i don't want

39:16

imagine the kind of like food greece

39:18

that had it accumulated over the years but

39:21

then made it's way out of stores

39:23

in some and six torn away was displayed

39:26

look like the was a dummy use

39:28

for like a historical reenactment for

39:30

like a tortured look

39:33

too much too worse than that

39:35

it because of like as as it's like when

39:37

if you have to make a model of sylvester

39:40

stallone waking up from a thousand year now

39:44

you have to do it really fast lakes

39:46

just imagine how messed up

39:48

the face looks right

39:50

recognize that sylvester stallone but it's like

39:52

nightmare sort solicitors you out

39:54

you have you have three days to make to make

39:57

sylvester stallone and looks like he's a nice

39:59

wow that's right without a scare

40:02

the other eros nope five cast

40:04

no no three scan

40:07

and they can that near do these days it's just

40:09

someone soviet it will be added the

40:12

ori we move on last one for me

40:15

to and like you're not only a ah

40:17

a prop history storyteller

40:20

you also make and collect

40:22

props yourself i

40:24

do any from your collection stick out

40:27

to l a and you as soon as

40:29

we mentioned earlier brought earlier bunch to bunch

40:31

to as well as i'm curious to be

40:33

have any favorites add that on

40:35

and tells him

40:37

i have i have two pieces when people

40:39

ask me of are curved er what my

40:41

favorites are and one of them is rather

40:43

mundane looking if it's a radio

40:45

out of a helicopter and

40:48

it's there's nothing special about

40:50

it except for me it's the very first

40:52

prop i ever made that wound up on screen

40:54

i was hired

40:57

to work on magnum p i season

40:59

for which believe it or not there was

41:01

there was of magnum p i most people are unaware

41:03

even exist then i was asked

41:05

to make a helicopter radio

41:08

that a bad guy would the activate in some way

41:10

that made no sense because i work in aviation

41:13

for seventeen years so it made

41:15

no sense to me but it doesn't matter it's hollywood

41:17

the new the one and if my first

41:19

phase two ever wound up on screen in the prop master

41:21

knew that any send it back to when

41:24

, production was done so there's

41:26

that and then of then book of the dead

41:29

which i have

41:30

over the last year or obsessed about

41:33

and i made very

41:35

hyper accurate or as accurate as i can with

41:37

the information available

41:39

replicas

41:40

and i finished my

41:44

i frankly my my my best one i've ever

41:46

done and i brought it to sell a com and was

41:48

on display in the maker museum

41:50

along with it's twin the book of amon ra the golden

41:54

then on the way home but usa decided

41:56

to

41:57

inspect the container and crust

41:59

the both book

41:59

beyond repair

42:01

i'm believe so

42:04

yeah i'm so sorry that are he doesn't

42:06

have a happy ending as of yet and

42:08

i know the out by us to rebuild that

42:10

by know we have to see them behind them

42:13

on a display in display in that can make

42:15

or museum those set up a salon gorgeous

42:17

this is from of course the mummy via

42:20

, the brendan fraser which was film

42:23

in summer so many eight ugly but

42:25

both those incredible credible

42:28

props that you painstakingly created

42:30

from the the the that

42:32

the key to the the the

42:35

the covers with ornate covers of those

42:38

soviet era these laws and hearing

42:40

the mechanisms on them i

42:42

was it was says is such a pain

42:44

it was myself and my friend greg knowing that that

42:48

the yeah we worked together on these to make

42:50

him what they are and and now

42:52

this is kind of spurred me on

42:55

along with a conversation added added mahler's

42:57

their silicone

42:58

i've been slowly toying with making

43:00

a completely working book with wouldn't

43:03

aged as with a functioning key auctioning

43:05

lox this the are every function

43:08

you see on screen which was actually done by multiple

43:10

props working in one book

43:13

and

43:14

i'm very very close to having done

43:16

and this sort of

43:17

an impetus for me to finish it so

43:19

that i can actually how my

43:22

books backs basically since i don't have

43:24

that now witness

43:26

why not why that price yeah

43:28

because of it like no one's gonna

43:30

you know talking about the money at mummy a

43:32

hundred years from now hey hey ho chi

43:35

[unk] law is a modern

43:37

classic that the donor

43:39

way is showing weren't even

43:41

as we v i'm i'm going to miss he was a friend's

43:43

ssssss a really nice

43:46

haiti on the movie i'm just saying like it or not

43:48

it's not like the top five like

43:50

all time cy five

43:52

movies that come to mind eight zero

43:55

perfectly pulpy it is

43:57

now it is it's absolutely

43:59

perfectly

43:59

hobby that's a wonderful description of it then

44:02

i feel like it's also a very much a film of

44:04

it's time that it was the right

44:06

movie at the right time and it

44:08

was just every element

44:11

of it works together now

44:13

it's not the perfect film

44:15

but it's

44:16

it's just a but either systems a standalone

44:19

popcorn mature it's fantastic

44:22

and my obsession with the book of the dead actually started

44:24

when i bought a resin casting resin more

44:27

the stump books and it's like

44:29

any other stock prop it doesn't look

44:31

great cause he can

44:33

see all the mistakes and everything that

44:36

started yet another obsession

44:38

of having about perfect version of

44:40

the book and and

44:42

i and i've gotten to this point with

44:45

the books that you saw and

44:47

i want to take that step further and

44:49

make it more perfect and make it

44:51

completely functional in a way that

44:54

i think only one prop ever was

44:56

built that was fully functional and

44:58

i just want to have

45:00

i'm going to take issue with it not being a perfect

45:02

movies i think i do think it is a perfect movie

45:05

for what it set out to be at the it

45:07

was released right as the it you know the

45:09

the he that

45:11

of the intersection of of the peak

45:14

model making it and a practical

45:16

effects plus the emergence of

45:18

believable ah visual

45:21

effects with this or characters in the mummy

45:23

character or it is a spiritual

45:25

successor i think so the indiana jones

45:27

films i has a

45:30

little bit of lords arabia in it or

45:32

jerry goldsmith's seem

45:34

to that is incredibly

45:37

iconic ah i think some the cb

45:39

summers password the wanted

45:41

you know like that later the g i joe

45:43

films and things like that but it was that the

45:46

ah the to kill that though the late nineties

45:48

blockbuster of people

45:50

closer and perfectly cast introduced us to reach

45:52

away sues course had incredible career

45:55

and bread and frazier also pete brendan fraser

45:58

the having or sorry either get cartoon

46:00

character he's like in that in the the way

46:03

bounces around has so much less slapstick

46:06

ah the yeah i love love love that

46:08

one harness every character in the mummy

46:11

is kind of a cartoon character they are

46:13

that like

46:14

and i agree with everything you say with

46:17

i don't know there's there's some parts about the movie

46:20

that kind of bother me

46:21

it's only the physics the i

46:24

can we don't see , goes

46:26

by the second one would his literary out running

46:28

sarah the lines as bad as the sacrifices

46:30

as yes yes yes

46:33

i'll tell you if tell love that film on the

46:35

props that i think there isn't rpf

46:38

read about some people trying to remake

46:40

it it's remake the

46:43

the bag the he the

46:45

rolls out on the boat

46:47

the yeah see i was i was

46:50

i was the what a hundred and fifty

46:52

dollars within

46:55

buying the actual scream used bag

46:57

oh my god yes i lost

47:00

the bed i looked away from the screen

47:02

i had to go do something i came back and i'd

47:05

and their it it ended and i've lost by

47:07

a hundred and fifty dollars i was so close

47:09

to owning the screen is back one

47:11

of the few profs that i the screen is

47:13

pieces that i've ever tried to get that i

47:15

kick myself for not

47:17

they can to it yeah for we will ya know

47:19

there's a great seen as o'connell

47:21

and his rivals

47:24

all searching for searching minutes

47:26

for us arms like this is

47:28

quite see him as a night see in there in a boat

47:31

rides boat classic his bedroom seen you seen

47:33

it in the likes of king kong and kong

47:35

and you know lots of fun slapstick he stuff

47:37

with him an hour and and

47:39

evelyn which was character and it's

47:41

a sucker a full strike whereas there

47:43

have a conversation and peace i've been looking what

47:45

he's doing buddy unfurl zao

47:48

this incredible gone back to

47:50

starts like fixing a repairing

47:52

and in cleaning his gun is so not only

47:54

is itself this athletes have a

47:56

by the facing a real thing a muslim custom

47:58

made for them

47:59

yumi you know mike burger and

48:02

it was it was definitely a custom made peace

48:04

but i do love that love that and

48:07

and i'm sorry to go on about this but

48:09

one of my favorite things about the mummy

48:12

is

48:12

i'm a big stickler about historical accuracy

48:16

and every single firearm within

48:18

that film was historically accurate to the period

48:20

yes which a lot of movies they don't pay

48:22

that close of attention to they go all that

48:25

will do and then they move on from and

48:27

i'd like that part of it really

48:29

tickled me because of it's and at

48:32

it was there were so many wonderful little details

48:34

in a movie

48:35

sure some of the physics bothers me another

48:37

thirty bucks if , this

48:39

wasn't the perfect to add for

48:41

our new podcast six week that looks at

48:43

the mummy minute by minute i don't know assess

48:45

assess assess assess i

48:48

think you're turning me around on this it

48:51

well worth three watching how great movie for

48:53

our time with so

48:56

or it's ah let's move

48:58

on to a little bit of a

49:00

summer pop culture and tech news

49:02

for wrap up the show in , world

49:04

of the mc you we had announcement

49:06

on a few was a lot of m c you you

49:09

but we're big fans york ashore

49:11

an eye and we're enjoying the spit

49:13

out of she hulk second episode sort

49:16

of sort i guess my time people listen this will have was

49:18

aired but you're working on a

49:20

wonder man show and for

49:23

announced that ben kingsley trevor slattery

49:25

character overturned

49:27

wonder man

49:29

i saw the i have lots of

49:31

i watch all the miss marvel of us are

49:33

the words are if i ever want

49:35

to work out

49:37

i know what he

49:39

won't get but i saw this morning

49:42

and morning absolutely love it

49:45

and i love characters

49:48

i rely on to see something like that

49:50

surrounds that that wonderful delirious

49:53

out about this

49:54

mike your love might might have trope dropped

49:57

so as well as a side effect of reducing

49:59

or audio

49:59

just a little bit because you already think

50:02

so

50:04

the he was so exceptional

50:07

i'm in i'm in iron

50:09

man and even the one shot

50:11

fantastic

50:12

return and shaanxi

50:15

dynamic again yeah signed

50:17

me up for oscar winning

50:19

one of the greatest actors of our of

50:21

our generation ben kingsley as showing

50:24

up for the mc

50:25

still not over the

50:28

fact that i'm nathan fillion

50:30

like me wonder man

50:31

the now they got a cast an unknown

50:34

i owe the linkous unknown unknown character a

50:36

the it has be summed up a character actor so what it tells me

50:38

though is that this can be comedy it's healthy

50:40

that says like seahawks are fully embracing

50:43

the the com the caught a comedic elements

50:45

i'm doing a sitcom my morals for

50:47

says tom this is gonna be in that vein

50:50

and also tells me that it lays

50:52

the groundwork to bring back wonder because

50:55

wonder and wonder man has said

50:57

that in the comics of a relationship

50:59

and this could be away for freedoms of

51:01

sabrina

51:02

i kind of figure simon williams's

51:05

can be like joey from friends are

51:07

get going to be an actor that plays

51:09

somebody like that and then superheroes at night

51:12

that's my sort again

51:14

i'd be really hope that he says how you

51:16

doin to somebody at some point don't

51:19

, it past given to to

51:21

yeah that's right a swastika

51:23

stars are fans here of course will come very

51:25

foreign to season three

51:27

of star trek for card the gonna get it right

51:29

this time the gonna get around to know

51:33

where the bodies on asia we'll see we'll

51:35

see this affects to strays you world is so

51:37

good that i'll that i'll ok

51:39

in disappointed

51:40

picard season three although they got all the original

51:43

cast back and the news just broke

51:45

that i'm denise crosby

51:47

who play tosser yard well returned

51:50

in some form as tosser your

51:53

in season three will it be passing

51:55

yards now

51:57

i don't think they're gonna do all romulus

51:59

there are no no abdel be too

52:02

much debris a devout it's so much of a deep cuts

52:04

tapped explain and and this i think

52:06

fundamentally is when the issues with

52:08

the card is

52:10

they did they don't need for the fan service they the

52:12

the the

52:13

the running the show as if he has the sentiments

52:15

own with lot of new characters and

52:18

explain lot of things the show

52:20

that really should lead into the fan

52:22

service

52:23

agreed

52:25

i but it so

52:27

i dig in and then go with inner dimensionality

52:29

then to the parties have something to dimensionality in

52:31

the first season they're gonna be

52:33

tossed a yard from another dimension or

52:36

how's your grad the you have a theory on how

52:38

they're gonna bring the character

52:41

the

52:42

maybe they'll do season one data

52:44

and rcr hooking up again

52:46

or they make

52:48

picard relive all of his worst moments

52:51

we just watch her on a loop get get

52:53

killed by that you being ah

52:55

that they're so many choices true

52:59

however , do it i think the gesture

53:02

the idea to write her back in

53:05

says to me that they really wanna

53:07

do wanna proper this a proper feel like of

53:09

more definitive farewell q

53:11

that era of next generation and

53:14

maybe it won't be for at all the cast members

53:16

because they believe some groundwork for some

53:18

of that cast a pop up in in

53:20

the future star trek shows how whatever

53:23

become ah but ill ill be done

53:25

for patrick stewart and all

53:27

good things as perfect of a finale

53:29

as it was for next generation told

53:32

a very specific story and the already it's

53:34

you again in seasons group of hard

53:36

so this is kind of their time

53:38

to they've given another chance the rapper

53:40

the acceleration answer to give

53:42

us the member berries and yeah they

53:45

never really went back to tosser ya no

53:49

doctor placebo the separate

53:51

from no no no no no no call

53:53

back to the now that's not necessary now

53:55

dot yeah yeah yeah the whole season will talk

53:57

about ah but with

54:00

also a d twenty three next weekend

54:02

a and so that's the big just the expo

54:05

of course i com com there was all the mc you announcements

54:07

hero gonna see all the disney films of the

54:09

plus stuff it also i believe

54:11

it's a right after the drop

54:14

thor levin thunder and as he plus as

54:16

well as once a pinocchio

54:18

as well as at right nokia [unk] film

54:20

ah there's a marriage that the day

54:22

yeah awful the

54:25

ball that they they're fully leaning into some of them or

54:27

horror aspects of again because of the

54:29

film i'm was the original animated show

54:31

or movie my understanding is is of

54:34

this the story is based on is actually quite

54:36

terrifying to i've not read it

54:38

but it is i am as i understand quite terrifying

54:40

so be curious to see what a poll

54:42

from man this is prepping us for the

54:45

winnie the pooh add terror movie

54:47

harm said , trailer

54:49

disrupt for so ah

54:52

i i don't think i'm don't

54:54

but in a respected were

54:56

there jane ago while the

54:58

tells you everything you need to know that that film

55:00

what would you even directed by robert zemeckis and

55:02

with the a you know all the special facts

55:05

i and and speak name's yes in theory though

55:07

as a very that

55:09

is going straight to dizzy plus so

55:13

nine two years yeah yeah i i

55:15

am excited for kevin

55:17

fi he to get up there and fill in some

55:19

of the blanks that were left on

55:22

left on the calendar a

55:24

after a a sandy a

55:26

comic con think

55:29

think we're gonna get fantastic for

55:32

casting

55:33

and director probably yup yup

55:35

they'll be there are moments or will they go even further

55:37

and bring on some mutants

55:39

they

55:41

don't think so i think we i

55:44

think gun at the majors though yeah

55:46

ok er i really set up the

55:49

big villain for villain for face

55:51

for we're reaching a lot of peak

55:53

television is reaching we're going to researchers thinkers

55:55

were the have in a wednesday nights

55:57

will be and door and star wars right

55:59

we're on the thursday she

56:02

hulk you got lord the rings

56:04

which is

56:05

the morrow

56:07

right with on amazon and the

56:09

early reviews have been are very good

56:11

the and a breather

56:13

on saturday nights then and game

56:15

of thrones house the dragon on sunday

56:18

nights so almost idea

56:20

a friend of mine has seen the first two

56:22

episodes they were invited to see the first

56:24

two episodes of bad rings of power

56:27

and

56:29

over the moon about it okay

56:33

did what it was it a theatrical screening

56:35

okay so i'm i'm really cares

56:37

about that because obviously amazon

56:39

is is not that they're they're they're

56:42

the production that delivers the

56:44

version of the films and or of rest of the episodes

56:46

amazon is delivering for streaming

56:49

can amazon funded for prime streaming

56:51

so often be optimized for your dolby

56:54

vision for case tr was it has

56:57

but are they delivering assets that would

56:59

be basically

57:01

what the studio would deliver

57:03

or brushing up you will deliver for a studio film

57:06

not to be the big screen he

57:08

their eyesight , went

57:10

to to movie recently

57:12

and there was a raise of power by such

57:14

a feature at and maybe was just

57:17

the special feature at whatever

57:20

they showed on on a big your theoretical

57:22

screen it's in look good it

57:24

it's look like pick little like that exactly

57:26

pixelated for his team of

57:29

filmic in some way maybe

57:31

it was his it was a was the actual concept

57:33

but i

57:36

the to , not maybe not fully finished

57:39

yet how much sadness a feature

57:41

as as some of the stuff when

57:43

they first started showing early

57:45

trailers are least like sneak peeks

57:47

of it he can tell there was a lot that

57:49

wasn't quite done yet

57:52

so maybe that's what you saw he

57:54

added they were going on at a rate of the last second

57:56

he i'm i'm amy be thing is it owes and

57:59

people who work in production a who work in

58:01

in final the the know that in a post

58:04

production really ah when

58:06

they deliver film our the screen

58:08

it for the filmmakers you know are

58:10

you have this the very stereotypical

58:12

vision of filmmakers sitting in a screening

58:14

room watching the film taking notes

58:17

and the in in a but in in the locked

58:19

down in the pandemic times people have to

58:21

and we we are interviews with the film editor results

58:23

and the at it on their big screen tv

58:25

his arm and lot

58:28

of films these days are made for streaming

58:30

for netflix h b o max and and

58:32

amazon prime where it never

58:34

will ever have a version the

58:36

scene on the big screen and to

58:39

sentimental it i think the

58:41

difference in either

58:43

when they're making it the composition or

58:46

the way the light it or the way that maybe the cameras

58:48

use but i think there is a

58:52

different feeling some of those films i'm

58:54

which is a nice yeah i i

58:57

i understand what you're saying that i agree with you because

58:59

i feel like there is some stuff it just would not translate

59:01

to the big screen then

59:03

yeah yeah i'd i'd say i

59:06

agree with you on a resettlement i have really thought about

59:08

it to set itself

59:09

and maybe the pace of the storytelling to and

59:11

then we know a lot of the rings is infamous way

59:14

out of a very standard

59:16

story right but it was also

59:19

the other directors cut was made me was in one sitting

59:21

of all four hours

59:23

of it crate ah and here

59:25

are these are in a be presumably hour long episodes

59:28

of even the pace of storytelling and i

59:30

will dictate the look and feel are all the

59:32

release of the viewer has with the

59:34

content here if you're a mere

59:36

sight but also years ago i'm i'm bracing

59:39

myself the not necessarily i

59:42

think think mind can it be closer to game of thrones

59:44

then what it felt like to watch lord

59:46

of the rings in the theaters

59:48

when he i hope that it's not like

59:50

game of thrones where they

59:52

absolutely butcher the last two seasons for

59:54

no reason on same

59:56

time production fodder that kind of storytelling

59:59

right now

59:59

gotcha i gotcha the alley the still

1:00:02

do a lot of interest in interwoven threads

1:00:04

are idea luring is also have a here

1:00:07

a chance to have of on of kippers i think

1:00:09

there are no over , well over a

1:00:11

dozen characters made a habit

1:00:13

of the comecon can just all the

1:00:15

portraits of all the actors how much

1:00:17

he brought him up on stage i know they

1:00:19

say they'll never do it but isn't it time

1:00:21

for tom bombardier to make his appearance

1:00:24

in the lords and rings universe

1:00:26

no one wants the time bomb as ill but

1:00:28

me i'd i'd

1:00:30

be curious fact i would wonder how you

1:00:33

would incorporate him into his in

1:00:35

the storytelling not well i don't

1:00:37

think yeah they're i don't know that there's a good

1:00:39

way to actually incorporate him into film alessi

1:00:41

was a lawsuit is portrayed him

1:00:43

as the narrator of a forty five hour

1:00:45

long summarily on or as the summer

1:00:49

i always see him as josh groban though so

1:00:51

a and like i know

1:00:54

why all the time might be pass for that

1:00:56

or might be ripe for that yeah

1:01:01

i i will move on and a wrap up the

1:01:03

show with a little bit of technology are

1:01:05

knocking off but the apple events as next

1:01:08

week and who

1:01:10

knows new i phones maybe

1:01:12

some a rpr if they do next

1:01:14

with a be a very interesting episode far

1:01:16

out as out as name yeah

1:01:19

yeah i'm curious i

1:01:21

got a since neither number may

1:01:23

maybe the zoom their extra long zoom lens

1:01:25

on the reality can you feelings for out the

1:01:29

buyer of the big cutting all the story not

1:01:31

just especially for cars in brewing

1:01:33

and stiffly surfacing

1:01:36

, lot on social media if you follow

1:01:38

people who who working

1:01:41

a i in an artist is

1:01:44

what a i generated art ah

1:01:46

things like the dali to

1:01:49

and image

1:01:51

journey and stable diffusion maybe

1:01:53

some of these services and programs that you've heard

1:01:55

of ah and you haven't

1:01:58

heard of it you may have see deftly seen

1:01:59

the are so

1:02:02

we did you get an expert on here at some point talk

1:02:04

about it but the way i understand it

1:02:06

is is he's are basically

1:02:09

using their algorithms they

1:02:11

are these these are services that have

1:02:13

scraped and or are they be trained

1:02:15

in a i model using a

1:02:18

library of thousands

1:02:21

and thousands or millions of images

1:02:24

for which they source the internet

1:02:27

these images have descriptors tied

1:02:29

to them so i there have been

1:02:31

categorized are labeled a tag

1:02:34

still as a stock photo would be

1:02:36

or are they even know captioned

1:02:38

as a part of a blog

1:02:42

and , this input data

1:02:44

ah teachers the the

1:02:47

program basically ,

1:02:49

to generate from

1:02:51

tax attacks prompts an

1:02:53

image that looks very much

1:02:55

not just of the subject that

1:02:58

the text prompt you type in but also

1:03:00

a fried of art style of very

1:03:03

creative art style and i don't i can't

1:03:05

i'm not going to send understand i don't

1:03:07

how these algorithms work and how they how they

1:03:09

work differently even said generate wildly

1:03:11

different ourselves and and some are certain

1:03:14

a better at certain things but the end

1:03:16

result is extremely

1:03:18

factor

1:03:19

i'm sure i'm sorry seen them and make

1:03:21

you that you've even dabbled in some a i

1:03:23

generally aren't for

1:03:25

yeah i got there the

1:03:28

i want to be a feature on tic toc that

1:03:30

allows you to play with the an ai

1:03:32

art todd generator and is based

1:03:35

just like what you're talking about on a phrase

1:03:37

ends and i spent quite a bit of time playing

1:03:39

with playing with it's just fascinating to see

1:03:42

what is generated and some of it's quite

1:03:44

beautiful in it's it's very

1:03:46

it gives you the mental image of what

1:03:48

you prompted to put some of

1:03:50

it straight up nightmare fuel and it's

1:03:53

not pleasant the look at at all so

1:03:55

is really dependent on the phrase and apparently

1:03:57

the mood of the ai of what you

1:03:59

get man

1:03:59

and i don't pretend to understand how it

1:04:02

works at all but i did enjoy

1:04:04

it for quite a bit now went to bed really

1:04:06

like because of

1:04:07

like it i my brain is so

1:04:10

a it's turned to mush because i read

1:04:12

about these things called diffusion

1:04:14

models the and set

1:04:17

the sell some of these work and basically the

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they've train the the system

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to have an understanding of you know what

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objects so it look like

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what an art style should look like

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an from these diffusion models they

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they basically take randomly

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sampled noise in certain

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the noise and the

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noise in them it urgently

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in

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the go from what looks like a static

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screen then looking

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like the hated

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picture or photograph of someone

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and because did the models from

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every pass of the noise and they're saying

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this is closer and closer and closer to

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what i think the prompt is asking for

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but because the starting point the

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noise and it's random noise

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the wait a d noise is different every time that's

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how a prompt can generate the

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radically an infinitely number different

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number of representations

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, visual representations of that prompts

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because so much of this much of

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after art style like

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you said

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the really a brings

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up questions around

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happy new rate and like fair

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use and what

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is imitation vs just

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straight stealing somebody

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is work here i'm that i

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still think has been grappled with at all

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the and a

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i also like if somebody is

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like renderings are very much like

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what you'd find a deviant art

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blake back in a day

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they remind me of that kind of like

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art style and

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the i'm a week

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be far away from like a

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a marketplace selling a i generated

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images like that hi

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i'm going to that's already happening or yellow

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yeah yeah really the out and

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what's really interesting is there's a lot of

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creative input in what

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how people manipulate the prompts

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and there's creativity absolutely

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and people what what they prompt

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the system with i'm and

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interesting anti bio last

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year org has done has big dive and treated

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actually treated try to explore where the

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source libraries are and the different surfaces

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not all them have been transparent about what

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their source libraries arc is arc kind of your along

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with their algorithm that is there a secret

1:06:45

sauce that makes it work yeah

1:06:48

you're right there's a lot of assumptions

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about their the ownership of where the source

1:06:52

models are at the source libraries are

1:06:55

weather's some stock photos scrubbed from

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public , images scrubbed from blogs

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and they're not supposed

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to be scrubbed from

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your there's there's by already legal

1:07:09

parameters that give them some direction

1:07:11

as a where they can as grub so yeah

1:07:14

they they know there's not photography on the stuff

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and some the services you have

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explicitly omit you know if people

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from generating images based on real

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life people or art styles are

1:07:25

they don't pull from art from a living

1:07:27

artist for example of

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that

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there's also things like stable diffusion where

1:07:35

people can download and run locally on

1:07:37

their own computer air that don't have

1:07:39

any of the guard rails and you can generate

1:07:43

representations of of people

1:07:45

who are still alive or and also

1:07:47

images that are not safe for work to a point where

1:07:50

you know reddit has already had the shutdowns

1:07:53

sub , for people posting you

1:07:55

know these are essentially the effects

1:07:58

of that you can generate of not generate on

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the fly have any any type

1:08:02

of image of because they

1:08:04

have millions of libraries hundreds of thousands

1:08:06

of images in their library that they've trained

1:08:09

on so even with no script

1:08:11

years of just a couple hundred or four thousand

1:08:13

for us are specific type of object they

1:08:16

can generate all

1:08:18

sorts of different types yard near infinite

1:08:20

different types of of a representations

1:08:23

of that person the subject of that object

1:08:27

the crazy and this is a static images to

1:08:29

like this will eventually moved her

1:08:32

through the models to ah

1:08:34

video ah and if

1:08:36

really feels like we're

1:08:39

, like our our

1:08:41

hockey stick you know curve

1:08:43

of know i are being

1:08:46

really part like definitely more prevalent

1:08:48

then then i m f t for example

1:08:52

hurry up so he can quit doing the podcast

1:08:54

and make the cia the generate work with

1:08:56

every with her really

1:08:58

helped me a lot of philosophically there

1:09:00

are some interesting things he

1:09:02

other the rs the game developers

1:09:04

i know they're using a i generally aren't to

1:09:07

generate

1:09:09

here to our

1:09:10

right that are using even or can background

1:09:12

are a match yeah we be more efficiently

1:09:14

generated so yes yes so

1:09:16

it's already taking pretty out it's

1:09:18

allowing people to be more creative things to

1:09:21

more creative expressive in the

1:09:23

individual works at they do but eventually

1:09:25

it also will take away

1:09:27

some some of the work that

1:09:30

manual or that artist you and

1:09:32

are paid for his

1:09:35

ill there's also there's also bit of a like

1:09:37

a weird looks if you look at we are

1:09:39

you know as as great as summers looks you

1:09:41

can zoom in and there's imperfections like acts

1:09:44

doesn't work right even and

1:09:47

of detail is only result

1:09:49

you a certain point i

1:09:51

was almost every dream like and

1:09:53

somewhere where look at this and the

1:09:56

me that's healthy like it it's gonna really

1:09:58

screw with our sense of memory

1:10:00

because if you basically with near

1:10:03

infinite possibilities and combinations of permutations

1:10:05

of these problems with

1:10:08

the right datasets that the input yeah

1:10:10

you can generate things that look like photos of

1:10:12

your family

1:10:13

and things and you can generate

1:10:15

out of whole cloth

1:10:17

though this or positions

1:10:19

of things that never happened that if you

1:10:21

have enough that data or enough those images

1:10:24

your brain will start associate that with like did

1:10:26

was this a real thing the end

1:10:29

what becomes a real and generated

1:10:32

that line becomes thinner and thinner

1:10:37

it's read a horrifying

1:10:39

insisted it was really kind of fascinating

1:10:42

and scary stuff and we really are at just the

1:10:44

beginning of his of i really love

1:10:46

to hear enough listeners out there anyone has experience

1:10:48

with ya using the some of

1:10:51

these programs if

1:10:53

you're an artist what you think of them i

1:10:55

if you're someone who employs artist

1:10:58

right or works with artists yeah how

1:11:00

do you see and that's than than that's the other

1:11:02

the scary side but what easy what easy

1:11:04

that that the interesting and novel

1:11:07

and beneficial sides of the signals

1:11:09

you or even just in the the image

1:11:11

wrong because that way

1:11:13

i'm way i'm all sorts of

1:11:15

the past

1:11:16

image fantastical

1:11:18

imagery are being shared on social me right

1:11:20

now using these programs

1:11:25

the be fun to talk about and i'm sure things

1:11:28

that will be keep tabs on as it

1:11:30

is fast changing uncles of links to some

1:11:32

articles they've been reading about the air

1:11:34

generate our in similar interesting examples

1:11:37

of it or not us in images from the in video

1:11:39

at him the show notes below that

1:11:43

wraps it that wraps it up for this episode

1:11:46

we have on the site this week this

1:11:48

week adams incognito from

1:11:50

silicone we have his

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build his one a bill buses

1:11:55

so

1:11:56

you got to get watch adams

1:11:58

i a little bit inside

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the

1:12:01

he had to do the spill twice and you'll

1:12:03

see soon why in the video ah

1:12:05

this is his mccree costume the flame

1:12:07

thrower that he made for of

1:12:10

course i'm the interviews from the show floor

1:12:12

i'll be rolling out this week and next week

1:12:14

as well make where can people

1:12:17

find you on the internet and

1:12:20

any any things that you wanna shut up

1:12:22

ah yes i can be found anywhere

1:12:24

at any social media twitter instagram

1:12:26

facebook etc or at props to history

1:12:29

i'm kind of a one trick pony when it comes to everything

1:12:31

i'm i'm on tic toc as a at

1:12:33

props history and on youtube which

1:12:35

i'm i'm putting more content

1:12:38

the youtube than anything else anything which

1:12:40

is once again forward slash props history

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and history and chicago based

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prop fabrication and special fx house

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is coors and studio c o r

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r i s o n studios

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dot com where a prop fabrication

1:12:53

special effects reputation or rental house here in

1:12:55

the city of chicago

1:12:56

amazing thanks for making

1:12:59

the time lit leg lit

1:13:01

think we're having me having really

1:13:03

can't understate out joyous

1:13:05

that channel is and how

1:13:07

different it is like if you

1:13:10

don't talk about leg corn

1:13:12

on your channel which is all that is i thought

1:13:15

i phone a phone that right now and laugh

1:13:18

you it you it it really is

1:13:20

a delightful because you're you're

1:13:23

just watching somebody this

1:13:25

is completely obsessed with

1:13:28

, the stories behind ah

1:13:30

these props in a fair assessment

1:13:33

at the fair assessment specific

1:13:35

and specific have to say have to

1:13:38

it is ahead of us we we don't know

1:13:40

but i am really excited

1:13:43

about what silicone will look like

1:13:45

next year and beyond the

1:13:48

at now it has like it's funny

1:13:50

again

1:13:51

the in this sort of full a

1:13:54

you know a full year

1:13:55

the thing more people can more

1:13:58

makers and and

1:14:00

just more it is kind of my

1:14:02

it may take on it it was a wonderful experience

1:14:05

stay safe to although philo go and a dragon

1:14:07

con i know everything is is

1:14:09

happening knock on

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wood rtms launch on saturday

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i think there's only about a forty percent chance that actually

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haven't learned said on saturday because the weather

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the more likely

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labour day or in a sea or and crude

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launch qualify

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if i may before this ems are very

1:14:26

much like to thank for both of you for having the on

1:14:29

here and also everyone it

1:14:31

tested that was at silicone

1:14:33

the that made the show so simple

1:14:35

and the everything go very very smooth

1:14:38

intercourse jones actor for everything that she

1:14:40

put into it but they are you guys someone for

1:14:42

having me on it was a rare was quite

1:14:44

surprised of , so some

1:14:46

tests eighty one been a podcast was

1:14:49

that was for was nerd who

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came up with past and since it started

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was was quite the i'd made me

1:14:56

kind of giddy truth be told to thank

1:14:58

you i appreciate it oh my gosh nothing maybe

1:15:00

salt feel older

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then people are the show coming up and say with

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watching tested for ten years

1:15:06

now and use of and

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as started in middle school

1:15:10

class high school and now is

1:15:12

of working professional working some amazing

1:15:15

industry aside and aside started wasn't

1:15:17

when i was in my thirties and our

1:15:19

and our and see no i've only

1:15:21

been working in this industry now for a maybe

1:15:24

a year

1:15:25

though it's video this is additional

1:15:27

very much it becoming part of my wheelhouse

1:15:30

but it was it was quite the honor so

1:15:32

to speak it would really was see

1:15:34

i saw from here for me to come on the podcast the

1:15:36

thank you very much thank you so much might

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include of course links ever you mentioned in

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description below i do have an alto

1:15:42

this week as i say

1:15:44

oldie but a goodie they won't

1:15:46

have a wonderful labor day weekend stay safe

1:15:49

and we will see you next

1:15:51

time

1:15:54

i can get to play

1:16:01

what is i can't incredible out

1:16:04

oh my god that is perfect actually

1:16:08

oh backwardness makes me laugh more than any

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think this will be this this will be edited

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out

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although a soundcloud load

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not found a ,

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of

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have you have to leave versus

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the off swiftly out

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, no answer over your thoughts of the old and

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whatever a doubter doubter surfers

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i could you know if you'd like i could and the episode

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the way and every one of my video oh please you

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are yoga ah thank you all for

1:16:48

watching everyone stay safe that

1:16:50

said