0:44

Hi, Hi, I'm

0:48

Erin Well and I'm Erin Almond Updike

0:50

and this is this podcast will kill.

0:52

You un conventional style.

0:54

Yeah, it feels really weird Erin. We're

0:56

very It's very awkward. It's very awkward.

0:58

We have not recorded in this same space since

1:01

twenty eighteen.

1:03

Yes, right before you left for Finland.

1:05

That was six years ago.

1:07

It was like the very beginning of season two

1:09

with the last time that we were together in the same room.

1:11

It is very weird. I feel like more

1:14

nervous. I know, my cold

1:16

sweating I.

1:17

Put onto the owner, but probably not enough

1:19

the same. It's

1:23

gonna be fun though, and unconventional

1:25

a because we are in the same place

1:28

recording would be because this is

1:30

not our typical episode format case.

1:32

You may have noticed from the title

1:34

of this episode, which

1:37

we don't know what it is yet, but it's going to be something

1:39

to the effect of ask the errands whatever

1:42

it is you want to ask them. And

1:44

there are a lot of things you wanted to ask

1:46

us. Yeah, a lot of a lot of things,

1:49

which is thrilling.

1:50

Thank you so much to everybody who

1:52

submitted your questions. We read every

1:54

single question. We are

1:56

going to try our best to answer as many of them as we can

1:58

today.

1:59

Yes. Also, I just also

2:01

want to say thank you so much

2:03

for all of your little comments too.

2:06

They made our.

2:07

Day absolutely, our week, our month, my year,

2:10

lives yeah everything.

2:13

It was amazing.

2:14

Yeah.

2:14

Yeah. The last time

2:17

we did this, the only time we did this

2:19

was in twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen,

2:22

and I think it's safe to say a lot has

2:24

happened then. And

2:26

we're going to get into all of that

2:28

and all of your other questions. But before we do that,

2:32

it's quarantine. It's still quarantiny time.

2:34

Eron.

2:36

What are we calling this one right now? We're drinking

2:39

just non alcoholic.

2:40

Non alcoholics mes cown

2:42

nigronies. They're a little

2:45

bit weird, no.

2:45

Lie, we

2:49

tell it like it is on this podcast.

2:53

We didn't come up with a name for them. We're drinking of plus

2:55

e Burita.

2:56

The Errands cheers,

3:02

so I guess for the quarantini slash plasy

3:04

rita. The Errands like,

3:09

drink whatever you like. What's your favorite thing that you've

3:11

been drinking lately?

3:12

What's your favorite quarantini that we've ever made?

3:14

Erin me, Yeah,

3:16

this is a hard one. I

3:19

erin my I feel like my memory, in

3:21

part because of the podcast, is so overloaded

3:25

that I cannot remember anything. There

3:27

was a really good peach whiskey one that I made recently,

3:30

but I think my go to answer for that is the

3:32

Gunneria one Burning Love.

3:34

That's my go to too. Yeah, I mean so good, it's

3:36

good. Okay, it's great. Have a spicy marg.

3:39

Yeah.

3:42

I don't think we have any other podcast business,

3:44

I mean the usual. Our website

3:46

exists, and it's got some things

3:48

on it like bookshop dot

3:50

Org, affiliate account, our Goodreads list a,

3:54

all of our transcripts. It's got sources

3:56

for each and every one of our episodes, links to music

3:58

by Bloodmobile, Patreon,

4:01

diat Say merch, We've got some pretty cool merch,

4:03

pretty big merch.

4:04

Probably more coming out soon, so check.

4:07

It, check it.

4:10

Well, shall we get into some listener

4:12

questions?

4:12

Let's do it. Let's take a quick break and then

4:15

get started. It started.

4:50

So we have our little listy here, so we're gonna

4:52

we're just gonna read through our little listy, shall we.

4:54

Yeah, let's do it.

4:56

Megan and Audrey and several other people.

4:58

This isn't a real question because so we just combined a whole

5:00

bunch of them. They would like to know personal life

5:03

updates airin EIRIN

5:05

five years ago. It was twenty

5:07

nineteen. You weren't living here

5:10

where we are, in your beautiful house, So

5:12

tell us about your life.

5:14

Let's see. Okay, I'm going to try to be succynct

5:17

because I could talk about all I could talk about

5:19

all these questions at great length. But

5:22

in twenty nineteen, I quit

5:25

my postdoc in Finland and

5:27

you know, academia just wasn't for me, bottom

5:30

line. And then I moved back to

5:32

the US. I moved to Chicago initially,

5:35

and then when COVID hit, I

5:38

drove out to Colorado to

5:41

meet up with a friend

5:43

free grad school, a longtime friend from grad

5:46

school, and then uh, basically

5:48

moved to Denver.

5:51

And now we're married.

5:55

You guys, also, they are meant to

5:57

be together. That's what I'm going to say. Okay,

6:00

it's a beautiful love story, and

6:02

we love it so much.

6:03

We love you, John, love

6:05

you John. Yes. So now we've been in Denver

6:07

since well John's been in Denver since

6:10

twenty twenty. I've moved fully the

6:12

year after. And now we have a dog who's toenails

6:14

you're probably hearing click on

6:16

the floor of our sun room.

6:18

Yep, he's great.

6:21

Yay, yeah, yay. What about you, Aaron?

6:23

A lot has happened for you.

6:25

A lot has happened for me as well. Let's

6:27

see, I don't remember exactly when our first ask

6:29

the Errands came out. I want to say it was summer

6:32

summer. Okay, so in summer of twenty nineteen

6:34

is when I had my first kid. So

6:36

I don't know if I had one yet when we recorded.

6:39

I don't know if you did.

6:40

In any case, he's still here with

6:42

us, and now he's a giant kid, not a

6:44

baby. And

6:47

then I finished

6:49

med school. We moved from

6:52

Illinois back to San Diego,

6:54

thrilled to be back there. I

6:57

finished my whole residency, which is good,

6:59

wild that much time has passed. And

7:02

then I had another kid in a

7:04

while back. Now he's again a toddler

7:07

and no longer a baby. And

7:10

yeah, that's like a short version of

7:12

my life updates.

7:13

It's great, it's great, right, I love it.

7:15

Yeah, finished med school, finish residency,

7:18

had two kids.

7:19

Podcast podcast, yeah,

7:22

podcast, All right, thanks for the question.

7:24

Yeah, what's next?

7:26

Okay, So we have a question

7:29

from Kashina Mackenzie, Maddie

7:31

Ruby, Chelsea and others. We

7:34

love how many of the questions were like

7:36

very similar because we were like, okay, great,

7:38

you do want to know some things about us. Okay,

7:43

I'm just going to read one of these questions. It

7:45

seems like it's been years since we've heard

7:47

what you've both been up to professionally. Are

7:49

either of you engaged in any research, taking

7:52

breaks working in your chosen fields in

7:54

the same vein What are your hopes for the future

7:56

academically or professionally? Ooh, I

7:59

like that question. Hey,

8:00

any questions? Oh, I

8:03

have to start. You don't have to.

8:04

But so,

8:06

I just finished my residency, which

8:09

means I'm done with all of the training

8:11

part of my medical career, and

8:14

I am starting in clinical

8:16

practice in family medicine in

8:18

like the next month or so, and then

8:20

I'm doing the podcast and that is that's

8:23

that's the job right now, and I'm hoping to be

8:25

able to keep doing both.

8:27

So far, so good, Yeah, so far, so great.

8:29

Yeah, Eric, So I now

8:32

my I guess my full time job.

8:34

I'm not doing any research anymore, any

8:37

academia anymore at all.

8:39

I'm doing podcasts full time. Since twenty

8:41

nineteen.

8:42

Yeah, what a beautiful year that was.

8:44

It's great and hopes for the future

8:46

academically or professionally. I mean, honestly,

8:48

I think we just want to keep this podcast going as

8:50

long as we possibly can. Yeah, we love

8:52

making it, and I

8:54

think that we may Maybe I'm jumping ahead,

8:57

and there is a question for like how

8:59

long do you think that this podcast can keep going?

9:01

But every year the

9:04

list grows longer and longer,

9:06

thanks in large part also to listeners

9:08

who write in and say, hey, can

9:10

you cover this? Hey can you cover that? So I

9:12

really just want to keep being able to do science

9:14

communication forever and always.

9:16

Yeah, we really love getting to make this so

9:19

that's a big part of our current and future

9:21

career. Yes, yes, okay,

9:24

I love this. Next question Catherine

9:26

S and.

9:27

Jackie Jackie

9:29

Jackie love you.

9:31

They asked kind of similar questions. Did

9:33

a certain person in your life inspire

9:35

you to follow the science path or

9:37

were you always drawn to it even as a little

9:39

kid.

9:40

I think I was always drawn to

9:43

it. I mean it kind of went

9:45

from medical to biology

9:47

at different points. I

9:50

watched Beakman's World growing up. Oh

9:52

my god, I forgot about that show. Yeh, I totally

9:55

watched that show. I loved Beacon's World,

9:57

like a lot of Bill Nye Bill

9:59

Nye. I had like a vet kit and

10:02

like a doctor kit and everything, and I would pretend

10:04

to, like, you know, treat

10:06

my dogs and stuff. But no, I

10:08

think even in high school, I was drawn to the

10:10

field of science and biology in

10:12

particular. And I don't know if it was like great teachers

10:15

or just the idea of

10:17

understanding how the world works around

10:20

us.

10:21

But yeah, yeah, yeah,

10:23

I mean same. I've always been a science nerd.

10:25

Yeah, I'm gonna my friend, good

10:28

friend Jackie that I've been friends with since middle school, asked

10:30

one of these questions, so I'm gonna shout

10:32

out to my roots of just how nerdy

10:34

we were in high school during

10:37

our ap bio class, which like, first of all, you're taking

10:39

ap bio, you're probably a nerd. Love

10:41

it, And we were, and

10:44

we used to have study groups together and

10:46

we wanted to make t shirts that said hydrogen

10:48

bonds Rule the World, because that's how

10:50

amazed I was when I learned

10:53

about hydrogen bonds. Like

10:56

still to this day when I think about them, I get

10:58

very excited.

10:59

Can we make those t shirts. That would be awesome.

11:01

Actually, it's been a dream since

11:03

high school. So yeah,

11:05

I have always been a science nerd for sure.

11:09

Love that. Love that. This

11:11

next question kind of follows up with

11:13

that. So, like we talked about what science

11:15

nerds we were as kids, but

11:18

Aisha, Jess, Nicole, Kelly,

11:20

Daisy, and Maggie want to know

11:22

if there was a particular moment or experience

11:25

in our lives that made us realize that we wanted

11:27

to pursue the careers that we have.

11:29

Yeah. I totally have

11:32

that. So I was definitely like a science

11:34

nerd from the beginning, went into

11:37

undergrad wanting to do aquatic

11:39

biology marine biology, fully

11:42

expected I was going to be a shark biologist.

11:44

I was like all in. And it

11:47

was a particular class. I feel like I've

11:49

told this story so many times, Sorry if it's boring at

11:51

this point, but a particular class

11:53

on the ecology of parasites

11:57

that one hundred percent rocked my world

12:00

made me interested in the field of diseases

12:03

and epidemiology, and that is what led

12:06

me down the path eventually of Masters

12:09

in Public Health and an mdphd. And

12:11

everything that has come of that has been that

12:14

class.

12:15

Yeah, Yeah,

12:17

Ecology of Parasites.

12:18

It was such a good class. If you're at UCMB

12:21

and it's still there, please take it.

12:24

I had wanted to go into

12:26

nursing initially when I was an undergrad,

12:28

and then I had to take as part of that an

12:31

intro to microbiology course And

12:34

it was at eight am Monday Wednesday Friday, and

12:36

I had to ride my bike up this hill, which is probably

12:38

not that big of a hill because it was like central

12:40

Kentucky. But I

12:43

found myself not sleeping in

12:45

and actually wanting to go to this class and

12:47

not missing a class, which I was sometimes

12:50

known to do with other classes. And so I

12:52

switched my major to biology, being

12:54

like, I want to know more about the world of microbiology.

12:56

I want to know all about these diseases. And

13:00

then I also just started to become more interested

13:02

in the human impact when I joined

13:04

a plague lab studying your cineapestis,

13:07

and I wanted this big picture view of like, but how

13:10

has plague affected things on a landscape

13:12

scale and then throughout history? And

13:14

then that led me into my master's

13:17

in epidemiology, and

13:19

that's when I was like, but what about the environment?

13:21

What is that? What role does that play? And

13:24

that is when I did disease ecology,

13:27

and then of course in later

13:29

in our which we'll get talked probably a little

13:31

bit more about later, but at the end of our PhDs,

13:34

we were like science communication,

13:36

like, how can we actually talk about

13:38

this stuff in a way that is fun

13:41

for us?

13:42

Yeah? I feel like that gets into another question

13:44

that several of you asked, including Jess,

13:46

Nicole and Kelly, which was like, what was

13:48

the most pivotal moment of your

13:51

academic or professional careers and

13:53

why? And I feel like Aaron years is like really good?

13:57

Is it? I wonderful for thinking of the same pivotal

13:59

moment.

13:59

Yeah, so okay,

14:02

your pivotal moment changed both of our careers.

14:05

Yeah, okay, yeah, okay,

14:08

like Aaron has changed our lives.

14:11

Aaron has changed our lives as well. No, yes,

14:16

it was okay. So in November

14:18

of twenty eighteen, I moved to Finland to

14:20

start my postdoc and I

14:23

really enjoyed the work there. I

14:26

liked that the research. My postdoc

14:28

advisor was phenomenal, really

14:30

wonderful person. But I had

14:32

gone back in February a few months later

14:35

to uh Texas to go

14:37

to my friend's wedding and

14:39

I had such a great time and

14:42

like hanging out, meeting up with people that I hadn't,

14:44

like, you know, been around for a number of years.

14:47

And I was getting on the plane back to Finland

14:49

and I was thinking to myself, what am I going

14:51

back to? And I

14:54

loved the like I was

14:56

intrigued by the research. I thought it was fascinating,

14:58

but it was the constant sort of cycle

15:01

of writing grants, writing papers, analyzing

15:04

the data, always having to get that you

15:06

know, get that thing in having all of a million

15:08

deadlines, and I just did not connect

15:11

with that at all. And I thought there's got

15:13

to be something else. I can't do this forever, and

15:16

so I quit my post

15:18

doc and I was like, Okay, I'll

15:20

do the podcast in the meantime for like

15:22

a little bit, and then I'll find something else. And

15:24

then that has now been five

15:27

years.

15:27

Yeah, I feel like I

15:29

mean, when we decided to make this podcast

15:32

in twenty seventeen, we did not ever

15:35

anticipate that it could become our careers.

15:38

But there was a point at which and it

15:40

was during this time when you were like, I don't

15:42

really want to be doing this. Could

15:44

we make this podcast something that is

15:47

viable as our careers. And at the same time, I

15:49

was still in medical school and

15:52

knowing that things were only going to get busier,

15:54

and I was like, I want to keep making this podcast,

15:57

but I can't do it the

16:00

way that we've been doing it because it was

16:02

just too much of a burden for both of

16:04

us to keep doing what we are doing. And so by you

16:06

then deciding to take that

16:09

leap of quitting your like stable, real

16:11

academic job and becoming

16:14

the podcast full time, it has allowed

16:16

for this podcast to still exist.

16:18

So it has.

16:19

Literally changed both

16:21

of our lives for the better. Like it's

16:23

phenomenal, and I it's it.

16:26

Is it is. I will say, like it is still

16:28

surreal to me every single

16:30

time that like this is what we

16:32

get to do.

16:33

I know it is.

16:34

It is the best thing. It is the best thing, and like you

16:37

know, any job is a job, right, I'm

16:39

not saying that, like every day is wonderful and I'm

16:41

never annoyed at having to take quarantine

16:43

pictures or whatever it is,

16:46

but it is the it's

16:48

like finding that thing that I connect

16:50

with and I am able to feel fulfilled

16:52

about has been It's

16:55

been an incredible experience I love

16:57

it. And also, my friend

16:59

Katie was the one whose

17:01

wedding I went to in February of twenty

17:03

nineteen, and if you listened to our lactose intolerance

17:06

episode, she provided

17:08

the first hand account, which is still one of my all

17:11

time favorite, one of the best first hand accounts.

17:13

Such a great storyteller, It's amazing.

17:16

Oh I love it.

17:34

Okay, So I love this next

17:36

question because I feel like a piggybacks onto

17:38

that and I want to know your answer

17:41

to this too, especially Aaron. So

17:43

Daisy asked, do you currently

17:45

have the career you thought you'd have when

17:47

you first applied to college?

17:50

Like not? I didn't know, absolutely

17:52

not. Like short answer,

17:55

no, what did you think you wanted to be when you went into

17:57

college? In college?

17:57

I wanted to be a shark biologist?

17:59

Right, Okay, it's like day one.

18:01

Yeah, uh, at least

18:03

as much as I can remember, Like, I don't remember

18:05

if there was any other specifics of like, No,

18:08

I wanted to study sharks. I wanted to

18:10

be a shark biologist. Wow,

18:13

so this is not what I expected to be doing.

18:15

I specifically told my mother

18:18

after freshman year that

18:20

I would never go to med school.

18:22

So of course, I didn't need to take all three quarters

18:24

of OKEM, so I took a

18:26

summer course instead and she

18:29

was like okay, and I was like, I'm never going to grad

18:31

school.

18:31

I'm never.

18:32

I thought I was never going to go to grad school and be a shapologist.

18:34

I didn't know what I was doing, but I definitely

18:37

thought I would never go to med school. And now like I am,

18:39

I am done with residency.

18:40

You're an MdeR doctor doctor mdphd.

18:44

So no, I do

18:46

not have the job that I expected, and

18:48

I'm very happy about that.

18:50

Yeah, what about you? No

18:52

not, I'm yeah. I didn't know science communication existed

18:55

until after we were doing the podcast for a year.

18:57

Yeah yeah, uh no, I when I remember

19:00

it, when I applied to the University of Kentucky

19:02

for undergrad which is where I ended up going,

19:05

I put in my major as a double major

19:07

of anthropology and English.

19:09

Oh wow, right, that's even

19:12

different than nursing, you know.

19:13

And then I got there and I was like, oh, okay, maybe

19:15

that's not I want to do nursing. I

19:18

don't know, you know, I was eighteen, Like,

19:20

how do you are you supposed to choose your entire life

19:22

at eighteen? But Aaron, we're going to have

19:24

a full circle moment.

19:26

I'm going to skip like a million pages ahead and ask

19:28

you the question that I want to ask you

19:30

that someone else.

19:31

Let me see who asked it so I can shout out

19:33

you.

19:33

To say thank you, Sheila,

19:37

thanks for asking. You said

19:39

that you were an English major when you

19:41

first started, so you always knew that you were going to.

19:43

Write a book. So when are you going to release your book?

19:45

Aaron? Well, I have to like write

19:47

one first, and I have to write a book proposal

19:50

first. Yeah, it's

19:52

been floating around in

19:54

my mind for a really long time. I

19:56

have said this for years, yes to people,

19:59

to friends. I do really want to do that, and

20:02

I just need to actually do it.

20:04

So if anyone has any tips for like how to actually

20:06

do that and accomplish that, and

20:09

you know, let me know. We

20:11

can't wait to read it. Yeah,

20:14

I don't know what it's going to be about yet. Preon's

20:17

would everyone read a book about prion?

20:18

I would? I'd love to.

20:19

Thanks done.

20:23

Who's next?

20:24

Who is next? Sophie?

20:27

Henry Hi Sophie,

20:30

So Sophie asks, what is the

20:32

best piece of advice that either or both

20:34

of you have received in going to grad

20:36

school, med school, or working in science

20:38

in general.

20:40

Okay, I have now co opted this and we

20:42

have like put it into our presentations, which

20:44

is, don't let perfect be the enemy of

20:46

good.

20:47

Yeah, that's a really good one.

20:48

And also I actually think that we stole

20:51

this or I stole this from Brian Allan,

20:53

our PhD advisor, because he would

20:55

whenever we were like stressing about grants

20:58

or papers or whatever, he would be like, just

21:00

put it down and then we can work

21:02

on it. Just having something down. It doesn't

21:04

have to be perfect, like, don't wordsmith

21:06

till the end of time, right, just get started.

21:09

Yeah. I don't know if this is specific

21:11

to like grad school

21:14

or anything, but I know and I

21:16

think that this advice came from a friend that

21:18

it is okay to change your mind personally

21:23

and professionally. I think I've changed my mind about almost

21:25

everything that at some point I was like absolutely

21:28

not or absolutely always,

21:31

and I've like one hundred percent changed my mind

21:33

on things. And I think that's a part of growth,

21:35

and it is okay.

21:36

It is, and I think that's really important

21:38

in the specific context, not just like personal

21:41

context, you know, life context, but

21:43

in career as well, if you're

21:46

if you're like, I don't know, I'm

21:48

not sure why I started this in the first place,

21:50

don't be afraid to explore other options,

21:53

right, and to be even if you're like, oh, but I wanted

21:55

to do this thing since I was a kid, So

21:57

it's going to change your mind to not want to do that anymore

22:00

more you were a kid.

22:01

Yeah, well, and I think what's so awesome is that,

22:03

like all of the things that you have done up until

22:05

whatever point you decide to change your mind are still going

22:07

to be valuable things, like they're

22:10

just going to maybe be applied in a different context.

22:13

So yeah, I love that question.

22:15

Well, that's really similar to Carrie's

22:18

question, which I think a number of other people asked too,

22:20

which is what advice would you give to

22:23

your undergrad self.

22:25

I mean, I think same thing, like, don't

22:27

be afraid to change your mind is a great

22:29

piece of advice for that. But also this

22:31

is like such a boring thing and I would

22:33

not have taken it because I know I received this advice

22:35

a lot of the time but never took it, which

22:38

was, Oh my gosh, work

22:40

on your time management skills. You

22:44

don't have to be studying all

22:46

night long, all the time, if

22:48

you actually, like, you know, block

22:51

off times in your in your day. I never

22:53

ever did that until doing the podcast.

22:56

Yeah yet, and I mean I still don't

22:58

do that. I still like very

23:00

bad at it and a chronic procrastinator,

23:03

So I could probably be better about that.

23:05

I think I would.

23:06

Give a similar advice to the idea that

23:09

like, you don't you it's okay to change your mind,

23:11

and like you don't have to panic every

23:13

time that you don't know what's coming next.

23:16

I spent I think a lot of time panicking.

23:19

I still do. Oh yeah, when

23:22

it's like you don't know it, like

23:24

you know that something's about to change, but you don't know how

23:26

it's going to go. That's that is

23:28

life. It's life, and it's

23:30

okay, and it's okay that it's scary. But you don't have to

23:32

panic every time.

23:33

Arin there are many different pathways

23:36

and futures that can sort of like intersect,

23:38

and it's not like you're shutting a door

23:40

forever.

23:41

Yeah, that's so true. Oh my gosh,

23:43

profound Erin, profound.

23:48

Erin, I have a question for you. Actually I don't,

23:50

but it's from Jess and Kelly. Okay,

23:54

if you weren't science communicators slash

23:57

doctor. Okay, what other career

23:59

would you be interesting sit and exploring?

24:01

Can I still say shark biologists?

24:03

Okay? But like what else right now? Do you want to be

24:05

a shark biologist? Right now?

24:07

I mean, there are days when I wonder why did I ever

24:09

leave marine biology? Yeah that's fair. Yeah,

24:11

there were more days like that when I lived

24:14

in Illinois. But

24:19

there are honestly so many jobs

24:21

that I think are fascinating that like, whenever I learn

24:23

about a new job, I'm like, wow, I

24:26

didn't even like consider that

24:28

as a career path. That could be such a cool

24:30

job. But I can't think of any off

24:32

the top of my head right now. I know, yeah,

24:35

what about you, Erin?

24:37

I have always loved the idea

24:40

of like working in a used bookstore and

24:43

creating curated recommendations for people.

24:46

But also there are it's just like so many things

24:48

right you watch I love going

24:51

on, Like some of the reddits that I love are

24:53

people who are amazing at crafts.

24:56

Oh, whether it's crochet or knitting, or

24:58

ceramics or working,

25:00

and I I just am like, well, I wish

25:02

that I had spent my I guess I could still

25:04

do it, but I wish I had spent more time, you

25:07

know, doing this at an earlier age, to experiment,

25:09

like what I liked, what I didn't like, et cetera. I

25:11

don't know. I feel like there are so many things out

25:13

there, and the more that I learned, the more I'm like, Wow,

25:16

that could be a really cool thing to explore. Yeah,

25:19

there's like, there's so much out there.

25:21

Okay. I love this question so much

25:24

erin especially because it

25:27

comes from Sloan who's

25:29

been listening to us since middle school and is

25:31

now in college, so we are old,

25:33

we are.

25:33

In a way that I love it. Yes,

25:36

I'm thrilled by it.

25:38

But they asked, how have you

25:40

felt like your views on infections and

25:42

everything that we've covered have shifted since the

25:44

start of this podcast, and really, how does

25:46

this podcast inform how we go

25:48

about our own lives? And other people have asked

25:50

similar questions.

25:52

Yeah, how do I like encapsulate

25:55

everything? It's it's a really great question because

25:57

I think it it is so

26:00

one thing that we don't necessarily always do

26:02

is like self reflect Onah,

26:04

Like, how can I put myself in the mindset of

26:06

the person I was before starting the podcast

26:08

and what I knew about infections

26:10

and the history of disease and so on. But

26:12

I think the bottom line for me is empathy

26:16

and realizing that so, like, these

26:19

diseases are not just diseases,

26:21

and they're not just like a timeline of events,

26:24

It is people. Yeah,

26:26

And that a lot of the way that we learn about disease,

26:28

particularly as you get like more and more advanced

26:31

in graduate degrees, it removes

26:33

the actual humanity from any

26:35

part of it. And so I think doing this podcast

26:37

has been a great exercise

26:40

in the constant reminder of, like, these

26:42

are diseases that are happening to people,

26:45

and who are living with these diseases.

26:47

Yeah, I feel exactly the same

26:49

Aaron, And I feel like,

26:51

especially getting to learn you

26:54

do such a wonderful job going over the history

26:56

of everything that we cover, just gonna

26:58

cry. And I

27:01

really feel like that context

27:03

is something that I always missed and I would not

27:06

have gotten anywhere else in my

27:08

training in my life, and

27:10

so especially as like a physician,

27:13

I feel so strongly that the context

27:15

that doing this podcast provides, like

27:17

on a weekly basis, has made me a

27:20

better healthcare provider.

27:22

It has made me a better human I

27:24

think that it has. It just provides

27:26

so much context of understanding, like how

27:29

horrible and terrible the world can be

27:31

sometimes and how that affects

27:34

so many things, Like everything is so

27:37

much bigger than we realize if you look deep into

27:39

the history of it. And so yeah, I

27:41

think it's empathy all the way. And it's not like

27:43

that's not the answer I would have expected

27:45

from like we're going to start a podcasts called this podcast

27:47

Will Kill You about disease, Like that sounds

27:50

it's.

27:50

Like, oh, I wash my hands more right, Like yeah,

27:52

probably, but no, I do empathy.

27:55

It's empathy.

27:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:58

Oh Maggie, Maggie, thank you

28:00

for this question. Uh, it's a really

28:03

relevant one. Yep. Do

28:05

either of you ever experience imposter

28:07

syndrome when you explain things on the podcast

28:10

and get worried that maybe you're getting anything

28:12

wrong and might get bad feedback. If so,

28:14

how do you handle that? Yes?

28:21

Yeah, we I won't speak for

28:23

you, but I know we both you can, Okay,

28:26

we both absolutely experience

28:29

a lot of imposter syndrome. And also just like

28:31

we try really really really

28:33

hard to be as accurate

28:36

as we can and to provide as much

28:38

context and story as we can,

28:41

and we know that not only might

28:43

we get things wrong, but there are going to be

28:45

things that we leave out out of every single

28:47

episode, and so it's something that we're very

28:49

conscious of that, like we're there

28:51

are things that we're going to leave out, and so we just

28:54

like we just try our best. And I think what

28:56

we keep in mind is something that you said earlier

28:58

erin, which is like, don't let perfection in the way of

29:00

good. And so we try and think that

29:03

by at least providing as much and

29:06

as good of information as we can,

29:08

we're doing something good by putting that information

29:11

out there and worry less about

29:13

what we might be leaving out or

29:15

getting wrong, because the other thing is that if we get something

29:17

wrong, you guys let us know, which is phenomenal

29:20

and then we can correct it.

29:21

And yeah, yeah,

29:23

I don't know if I have anything to add on that, but

29:26

absolutely get I get worried, I get

29:28

imposter syndrome, and yeah,

29:30

we just sort of like we do go into each episode

29:32

very intentionally wanting to

29:35

like the amount of reading and research

29:37

that we do that we then sort

29:39

of narrow down to be like, Okay, what do we present,

29:41

right, it is a very intentional choice, and we don't

29:44

always get it right right because

29:46

we are limited in it with time as well

29:48

and with just sort of like bandwidth and everything

29:50

too, but also because some of

29:53

these concepts you need so

29:55

many years to become an expert

29:57

in. And so I think that like we

30:00

we do kind of struggle with this balance sometime

30:02

of being like, we are not experts, but

30:04

we are telling you this information, and

30:06

so how can we make sure that we're giving you

30:08

the most accurate information and

30:11

that if you want to learn more, here are

30:13

our sources.

30:14

Right. Oh,

30:19

Aaron, here's a fun one, right. He

30:21

Austin wants to know what is your favorite

30:24

funny story that happened because of the podcast

30:27

or related to the podcast.

30:29

Let's see. I think that some of my

30:31

funny stories related to the podcast

30:33

are when I'm around someone who finds

30:36

who's like, oh, I listened to this podcast will kill

30:38

you, and they're like, wait, you did this podcast will kill

30:40

you? So that that happened?

30:43

Uh man. Two of my stories have weddings in them

30:45

that happened at a wedding last

30:47

year. And we were talking

30:49

about how well AI would be able

30:51

to generate a description of the podcast

30:54

and it was surprising. It was terrifying, right,

30:56

like really good. Yeah. And someone at

30:58

the table was like, wait, that's sounds familiar.

31:00

I know that podcast. That's the only podcast

31:03

episode I have ever listened to. And

31:06

I listened to it before doing

31:08

interviews to get me hyped. And it was the

31:10

episode about snake venom, and I was like,

31:13

this is the best thing ever made

31:15

me so happy. I love it.

31:16

I love it so much. Mine

31:18

is a lot more awkward. I think

31:22

that's classic me. One

31:25

time I was at so if you're if you're

31:27

listening, uh, I want to

31:29

know. I want to know if you remember this.

31:32

I was love this.

31:35

I was at a Shakeshack, not

31:37

like the brand Shakeshack, but this place called

31:39

Shakeshack, which is up on the cliffs

31:41

near Corona Damar, and I was

31:43

getting Shakespeare. I pulled in to get

31:46

some milkshakes and I was

31:48

a little chilly, so I went to the car

31:50

to grab a sweater. But the only sweater that was in there was

31:52

my husband's this podcast

31:54

will kill You logo sweater. And

31:56

I don't usually wear our merch like in public

31:59

public because I'm so awkward, but

32:01

I was wearing it, and then I was walking

32:03

back from the car, and someone walked past

32:05

and said, oh my god, I love that podcast.

32:08

Obviously didn't know who I was, but

32:10

I just panicked and I was like, I

32:12

get them up there and

32:15

then and I had my dog with me, and I just kind of ran

32:17

away.

32:20

I can see this perfectly in

32:22

my mind's I just ran

32:24

away. So that was

32:27

you, Hi.

32:29

I think about it like almost every week about

32:32

how terrible and awkward I was.

32:34

Yay, Okay, next question, great

32:36

question. Okay,

32:53

so we've got the next few questions. Yeah,

32:55

we just took a little skim over and they're

32:58

kind of all similar thematically,

33:01

and so it's kind of we're gonna let's

33:03

do one, two, three, bom boom boom. Right, all

33:06

right, so diego, Kaz, Patty,

33:08

and Sarah all want to know various

33:10

questions about our favorite diseases,

33:13

the scariest diseases, the scariest hypothetical

33:16

diseases, and the

33:18

most interesting type of infectious

33:20

disease transmission. Oh yeah,

33:22

which is a tough one. Mm hmmm.

33:25

H What

33:27

do you think erin transmission?

33:30

I think I would have to say vector borne disease.

33:33

Yeah, I mean, I spent six years of my

33:35

life studying it, and I do still find

33:37

it fascinating.

33:38

I do too, especially just thinking about

33:40

all of the pathogens that are

33:43

adapted to multiple different

33:45

hosts, like necessarily for transmission.

33:48

I find that just so fascinating

33:51

evolutionarily and ecologically, well.

33:53

Just like the trade offs, and like I think this applies

33:56

to just patterns of transmission, right, what are

33:58

the trade offs between being super specific

34:00

to one host versus being able

34:02

to be transmitted to a wide variety of hosts,

34:05

or what if some vector born diseases

34:07

that are specifically adapted to one vector

34:09

one host, Like, there are so many different ways

34:12

that disease can be transmitted

34:15

and happen, and it's fascinating

34:17

to think of the evolutionary history behind

34:19

that. Yep, I agree.

34:21

In terms of most terrifying diseases, I

34:23

still think and this is maybe like

34:26

not a fully fair question because

34:28

this, I guess is a hypothetical, but

34:30

like could very much exist,

34:33

will maybe someday, is like the hypothetical

34:35

disease if from contagion. Right, sure,

34:38

the movie Contagent, where it was a pathogen

34:41

that's transmitted by like airborne or

34:43

droplet transmission, so like easy

34:45

to spread has a very

34:48

high mortality rate and

34:51

can be transmitted before somebody

34:53

is symptomatic.

34:54

Right. We had said this long ago, I

34:56

think in our influenza episode. We talked

34:58

about it in our neupavirus episode, and I

35:00

think that with COVID we really

35:02

did get to kind of like witness that on

35:05

a global scale, it's terrifying. It's terrifying.

35:07

So yeah,

35:10

yeah, yeah, yep. Hm.

35:13

So like that's like this hypothetical example

35:16

in terms of some of the pathogens I think that we've

35:18

covered that are terrifying in

35:20

a different way. Are

35:22

the ones that are you know, the

35:24

ones we always talk about like rabies, right, parasite

35:27

manipulation of host behavior or pathogen

35:29

manipulation of host behavior where

35:32

there is nothing that you can do.

35:35

I also still think prey

35:38

are very just not

35:41

not so much scary, but just like

35:44

but how yeah. It really does

35:46

sort of like stretch the boundaries of what we consider

35:48

it to be infectious diseases or like

35:50

what is a disease that is contagious?

35:53

It's just what is a pathogen?

35:55

Right? I guess, like like Tasmanian

35:57

devils, Like what is a pathogen? What

35:59

is a cancer? It's oh man, Okay,

36:02

now we have just some really fun ones. Darcy

36:05

wants to know, what are disease names that

36:07

you think would be a beautiful person

36:09

name.

36:12

Okay, first one that came to mind

36:15

was your sinia not yes,

36:17

Okay, here's another one. What

36:19

what about ari Aris

36:22

could be actually in the right context

36:27

and you call them toulee? I think that's cute.

36:30

Oh. Similarly, Alexis wanted to know

36:33

what if you had to have your last name.

36:35

Be a disease? What disease would it

36:37

be?

36:37

Your last name, which I feel like is a little different than like

36:39

a first name. I don't think i'd picked

36:42

Tulee.

36:47

Yeah, what like? What else?

36:49

I can't think of any I'm

36:51

just because we're put on the spot.

36:53

Honestly, I still am gonna go with Arius

36:57

as Yeah it

37:00

works, Aaron, your sinea doesn't work. No,

37:02

Aaron, pestis could work.

37:07

Okay?

37:08

Yeah, well good stuff, great

37:11

stuff. Okay.

37:13

So the next

37:15

few questions are also linked

37:18

thematically. All about

37:20

books, All about books, which I am thrilled.

37:23

I'm thrilled about, even though right now I'm also

37:25

having a little internal panic because I don't

37:28

have liked to

37:30

be like, what have I read? Because Aaron I cannot

37:32

remember I cannot remember. But

37:36

okay, so rhiannon wants

37:38

to know about favorite

37:40

or best books about microbe slash microbiology.

37:43

Besides, I contain multitudes, Ed Young.

37:46

I mean erin you have to answer this question because you know, I haven't

37:49

had time to read a book since

37:52

at least before my school so

37:54

that's really embarrassing to admit on the podcast.

37:56

But there it is. You

37:59

know, I.

38:01

Don't know, Like, so what I'm struggling

38:04

with right now is the qualifier

38:07

of books about microbes microbiology.

38:09

I think, just what's your favorite science

38:11

book?

38:11

Okay, I'm going to name two ones about microbes and

38:13

ones about it Give it to me, Okay. The one

38:15

about microbes is Spillover

38:18

by David Kwaman. Okay, I read that before.

38:20

I read that at some point during my PhD, before

38:23

COVID obviously, and I thought

38:25

it was absolutely terrifying but enlightening

38:27

in terms of like how it's the one is one health

38:30

right, you know, and that that framing

38:32

was still something that

38:35

we think about every single day so

38:37

important. My favorite non

38:39

microbe science book is probably

38:42

an Immense World by Ed Young. I think about

38:44

this book all the time. I think it is one of the most

38:47

beautiful examples of science writing,

38:49

and not just like in the

38:52

sentence construction, but in how

38:55

well Edyong is able to convey

38:57

information. That is, he's

39:00

able to not just be surface level but also

39:02

actually teach you something along

39:04

the way while entertaining you.

39:06

You should see this sparkle in her eyes.

39:09

And if you haven't listened to the book Club episode

39:11

where Aaron got to interview ed Young, you definitely

39:14

need to listen.

39:15

It's just such a great book and it really made me think

39:17

about the world in a new way.

39:21

Well, similarly, Aarin, of all the

39:24

books that you've read what in the

39:26

last like five years? Oh, she can't. She can't

39:28

pick a favorite. Sorry, Orianna, there's

39:31

too many good ones. Okay, Okay, just gonna

39:33

try.

39:34

Yeah. Like literally, when

39:36

we were going through this list of questions,

39:39

that question stuck out to me and I was like, Okay,

39:41

I have to go through what I have read,

39:44

and I can't find a favorite. I have a really

39:46

hard time picking favorites about anything.

39:49

But I would say I have two

39:51

that I can remember in the last year

39:53

or so that I've read that I've really loved. One

39:57

is Matrix by Lauren Groff. Okay, I

39:59

loved it. Check it out. That's fiction

40:01

and then nonfiction. I really

40:03

liked a book about the Donner Party

40:05

called The Indifferent Stars Above, and

40:08

I really appreciated how

40:12

sensitive the author was and how empathetic

40:14

the author was with the story, because you can really tell

40:16

a donor party story that is like incredibly

40:19

horrifict yeah, and like very

40:21

kind of voyeuristic or something

40:24

like that, where you're just like gratuitous violence

40:26

and everything. In this I really felt like he

40:28

did such a great job of putting you in the mindset

40:30

of what it must have been like to be

40:32

there, what it might have been like.

40:34

Okay, love that. If

40:36

you're not following Aaron Walsh on Goodreads,

40:39

I don't know what to tell you it.

40:40

Don't write reviews. Maybe I should. I

40:42

don't even rate most of the books, Okay,

40:48

okay, so okay.

40:50

This next question

40:53

is for me by Kristen, and

40:56

it's about why I Aaron Welsh

40:58

do not like Richard Preston books.

41:01

So I have read a few,

41:03

and I have found them somewhat helpful

41:05

at times. The thing that I don't like, and I'm

41:08

going to call out just the hot zone in particular,

41:10

and it might even be like, let me just

41:12

even be more, you know, I'll

41:15

give more benefit of the doubt. The copy

41:18

that I have has literally no

41:20

sources at the end of it,

41:22

and so I think that that is where

41:25

it is. There's any science

41:27

book that is conveying information in

41:29

a way that is supposed to be educational or informative

41:31

should have sources, whether

41:33

those sources are from conversations or

41:35

from papers or from whatever. So

41:38

that's why I have a you know, teeny

41:40

tiny issue with that.

41:43

Yeah, we're going to get like

41:46

a season desist letter or something.

41:48

Show me the sources.

41:51

Okay, now we're just going to go fully

41:53

silly, Nina, Thank you. I

41:56

don't want to answer this question. If

41:58

you were starving and your only options

42:01

were a sandwich prepared with unwashed

42:03

hands or a delicious three course

42:05

meal, but every bite you took has a long hair

42:07

in it, Ugh, which

42:10

one would you pick? Oh?

42:11

Absolutely, no hesitation. Three course

42:14

meal with hairs it

42:16

would just be like eating a fish

42:19

with like where you have to pick out the bones. I don't

42:21

eat.

42:21

I can't. I don't like that.

42:23

I mean, it's more work.

42:25

It's also not the same as fish with bones because

42:27

it's a hair from someone's head or

42:29

body.

42:30

Okay, but like you know, I

42:32

guess. Okay, two questions, what type

42:34

of hair? Every bite? Every

42:36

bite? I mean you'll take giant bites and there's

42:39

one hair.

42:39

But similarly, you're talking about unwashed hands, who's

42:41

unwashed hands? How unwashed?

42:44

Right? When was the last washing? And how

42:47

dirty?

42:47

And whose hand? Like is it my unwashed

42:50

hands? Is it my

42:52

toddler's unwashed hands?

42:55

Is it? We're talking full soiled or just

42:57

like lightly mildly dust.

43:00

Oh, I don't know, it's that this is a hard

43:02

question. Oh not for me. Three of course,

43:04

gourmet meal. I absolutely,

43:07

it wouldn't be gourmet. Doesn't

43:09

it say three courses with the hair?

43:15

You know?

43:15

Agree to disagree? Yeah, okay,

43:19

okay. Rachel and Alana want

43:22

to know how much time it takes to prepare

43:24

for an episode, finding the research,

43:26

reading the articles and books, and writing our

43:28

summaries. A lot, A lot,

43:30

a lot, And it varies a lot based

43:33

on the episode. Yeah. So for

43:35

some of the bigger topics that we've covered,

43:38

like menopause, like IVF, like.

43:42

Three episodes, I think that took us like a month or

43:44

more.

43:45

It did, Yeah, But I

43:47

would say in general, yeah, I a few

43:49

solid days, like three to four solid

43:52

days of reading and

43:54

writing. As I'm reading notes like so, I'll like bullet

43:57

point a lot of things, and then it takes

43:59

me usually a couple days to summarize.

44:01

Yeah, and then there's the whole day, like I usually take a day

44:04

of finding initial sources, and

44:06

then as I start to read and I'm like, oh,

44:08

those citations look interesting, I should go find

44:11

those papers. Oh those citations, and it's just

44:13

like you do go down the road at all. Yeah,

44:15

you do have to. It is sometimes hard

44:17

to be like that's enough, We're going to tell

44:19

this story and not the whole story.

44:22

I remember when I was interviewing for residency

44:24

programs, some of them asked me like, oh, are you

44:26

planning on still doing the podcast during residency,

44:28

because obviously residency takes a lot of hours

44:30

per week And I was like, oh, definitely,

44:33

and they were like, well, how many hours do you spend and

44:35

I think I said, oh, I don't know, maybe

44:38

ten hours per week. It was

44:40

like such an underestimate. I

44:42

ca Anyways, Yep,

44:46

we survived it.

44:47

Yeah.

44:48

Yeah, it's a lot, but it's also really like

44:50

it's fun work.

44:50

It's a lot of work.

44:51

But it's fun work just.

44:52

Getting to read like something

44:54

and learn something new every week, which we

44:56

didn't get to do in grad school. I feel like it was very

44:59

much in your.

44:59

Field, right.

45:01

I love it.

45:02

Ooh, Vivian wants to know what

45:04

is something that you learned about doing this podcast that pops

45:07

up frequently in your mind, and they provided

45:09

their first answer. I think about maggots

45:11

all the time. Now, yes, I'm

45:13

the same. I also share my top quality pre

45:15

on facts at barbecues. I want

45:17

to go to your barbecue.

45:18

One of us love

45:22

those. I think,

45:24

honestly. The thing that happens every single day

45:26

and now I'm embarrassed for the second call out of

45:29

an Immense World by Ed Young is the

45:31

when I walk my dog. I genuinely

45:34

every single time he stops and sniffs

45:36

for what feels like ten minutes one

45:38

spot. I'm like, but this is for him,

45:41

this is for him. He's smelling much more than I could

45:43

ever smell. This is enrichment. So

45:45

I think that's probably the things

45:48

that I think about the most. It is every

45:50

single day.

45:51

Oh, I love that. I

45:53

feel like there's a lot of things that

45:55

I think about a lot. I

45:57

think maybe the most though, is me,

46:00

like just the whole concept of a

46:03

backstory behind things like hysteria.

46:05

M M. I think about that a lot.

46:07

I think about our endometriosis episode.

46:10

I think about how much

46:12

the medical system has wronged people

46:15

with a uterus like. I think about that

46:17

and it infuriates me on a daily basis.

46:19

Wow, mine is Mine's like my dog snuffing

46:23

an old turd. Yours is like the

46:26

misogyny in medicine over time.

46:29

Try I change my answer. No, no, no kidding, uh

46:35

okay. Ruby wants to know if

46:37

we have other hobbies. Well, I

46:39

guess the question was, what other hobbies do

46:41

we have?

46:42

I have no hobbies, thank you.

46:44

Okay, then I'll ask the second question, is

46:47

it weird going to the doctor?

46:48

No?

46:49

Are you? Are you a doctor who doesn't like to go

46:51

to the doctor?

46:51

Yes?

46:52

Have you been that before becoming a doctor?

46:55

Yes? I never liked doctors.

46:56

I think people who don't like doctors end up

46:58

being doctors. I don't know. That's a fun question.

47:02

I am a terrible patient.

47:07

Yep, Okay, I have a question for you.

47:10

I'm just going with this now. When

47:13

you get a doctor as a

47:16

patient, can you tell not

47:21

always? Okay?

47:22

Yeah, no, not always.

47:23

I've had that happen a lot.

47:24

And I remember, like first year of residency,

47:27

I had a patient who was like a second

47:29

or third year resident or something, and I was talking

47:31

with them about something for a really long time until

47:33

we were like, oh, yeah, I'm in like whatever

47:35

other specialty. And I was like, I don't

47:38

know why you just let me keep talking for so

47:40

long, but.

47:43

Okay, I love that. Yeah. Yeah, I've

47:45

always wondered is it like, ah, yeah,

47:48

you must also be. But

47:52

what about you, Aaron? You have hobbies? I

47:54

read this. My number

47:57

one hobby is reading. That's a good hobby. And

48:00

I garden in the summer when it's not

48:02

a million degrees outside, which I feel like it has

48:04

been in Denver for a bit of time, although

48:07

depending on when this episode comes out, but probably

48:09

will be cool. And people are like, why are you complaining it's perfect

48:12

weather but no gardening?

48:14

Reading? Uh, you know,

48:16

camping whenever we can, which is not very

48:18

much, but that's basically

48:20

it. Reading is my number one hobby.

48:22

That's a really good hobby.

48:24

Does it count as a hobby?

48:25

Yeah, definitely. Okay, yeah that counts as a hobby.

48:27

I hang out with my family, but that doesn't count as a hobby.

48:29

That's just a hobby.

48:30

It's not.

48:32

It's part of life. I like it.

48:34

Yeah, it's not a hobby. Okay,

48:37

I feel like a hobby. I don't know anyways.

48:42

Okay, so this

48:44

next question I'm going to relate back

48:47

to the question about what's it like

48:49

to be a doctor going to the doctor

48:51

and so on and stuff like that, because I feel like it has to deal with

48:53

patient relationships cool or just

48:55

like in your in your real life,

48:58

my real life, in real life.

49:02

Cassandra wants to know if you have

49:05

encountered any anti vaxxers in your personal

49:07

or professional lives and how

49:09

we respond to that.

49:10

One hundred percent. I live in San Diego, so

49:13

definitely I think the thing.

49:15

And again I think that this is part of

49:18

what the podcast has made me much

49:20

better at. Is not only

49:22

like explaining things, and I think we got some

49:25

questions later on about explaining complicated

49:27

things to people. But when

49:30

I have patients, which I do very

49:32

often, who either don't

49:34

want to get a vaccine or who have questions about a vaccine

49:37

or about any other medicine that I'm about

49:39

to recommend to them, or thing that I'm

49:41

going to tell them that they might not want to hear. I

49:44

think that doing this podcast has really made

49:46

me have more empathy for understanding

49:48

that everybody has a story about

49:51

why they came to believe

49:53

the thing that they came to believe, even if

49:56

it is the exact opposite of

49:58

what I believe, and even

50:00

if I think that I'm right or whatever.

50:02

And so I think that the way that I

50:05

tend to approach that, especially

50:07

in my professional life, because in my

50:09

personal life,

50:12

I don't know, maybe

50:14

I approach it the same way, but especially in my professional

50:16

life, I think I always tried to come from a place

50:18

of trying to understand where that person

50:20

is coming from. So, do

50:23

you have questions about this vaccine?

50:25

Like I'm going to bring up the flu shot. I see

50:27

that you haven't gotten your flu shot? Do you

50:29

have any questions about it? And if

50:32

they say no, I might move

50:34

on. Or if I think

50:36

that maybe I've gotten in I might ask

50:38

them a question, have you ever gotten one before? Have you

50:40

had a bad reaction? What have you heard

50:42

about it? Like most of the time

50:44

I have found that just by engaging with people

50:47

from a place of understanding and empathy

50:49

rather than like a judgment of oh my god, how

50:51

have you never gotten your flu shot? Don't you know you're

50:53

putting people at risk or whatever, or like

50:56

fear mongering like never works,

50:58

but just meeting people are there and then knowing that, like,

51:01

if you foster that kind of relationship,

51:03

then you probably have an opportunity to talk

51:05

to them about it again. And it might take

51:08

many times of talking with someone about

51:10

a topic that they feel really strongly about before

51:12

you feel like you're breaking down a wall or something.

51:15

But a lot of times you can get there, especially

51:17

when it's someone who's just worried

51:19

or has questions or is afraid and

51:22

not like some people who just

51:24

are never going to engage with you, and that's okay. There's

51:26

some people who you just don't I and

51:28

I generally just don't write.

51:30

Yeah, I would say, like, you

51:32

know, the people that I interact with, which

51:35

is not very many, I am, you know, and I acknowledge,

51:37

like many other people probably that I live in a bubble,

51:40

right. The people that I spend the most time with in

51:42

my day to day life are on the

51:44

same page when it comes to vaccines and public

51:46

health and the importance of public health. And

51:48

during the times when I do interact with someone who

51:51

is has mixed feelings or

51:53

is strongly anti vaccine, It's

51:56

challenging. It's challenging because it feels

52:00

it feels like you're up against so much. And

52:02

I think that sometimes it is a struggle

52:04

to be like, Okay, how much energy

52:07

do I have right now? How much bandwidth

52:09

do I have to try

52:11

to convince this person? And is it

52:13

convincing this person or is it just answering

52:15

their questions or asking them where they got their

52:17

information and so relatives.

52:19

I think this is one where it's like, Okay,

52:21

I hear you out, I hear you out. Are they

52:24

receptive but knowing that sometimes

52:26

they're not going to be right? And that's

52:28

okay, Like it's okay for

52:31

for you to just say I can't do this

52:33

right.

52:34

Yeah, I feel like I have

52:36

a lot of experience doing this because it's like part of

52:38

my job when I'm being a doctor,

52:41

right, like to try my best, like

52:43

to have a conversation with someone, and like I

52:45

know that vaccines are important for individual and

52:47

public health, So like I'm gonna I'm gonna have a conversation.

52:50

I'm gonna try, but like I'm not about to have a

52:52

fight with someone on the internet. No, no, no,

52:55

so yeah, it's it's picking your battles

52:57

a little bit too. Yeah. Yeah,

53:01

right, okay, well this does Aaron.

53:03

Our next question from Pamela, and I

53:05

think Laura had a very similar

53:07

question. How do you go about

53:09

breaking complex science and history

53:12

into a language that a general audience can

53:14

understand? And do you have recommendations for

53:16

people who might want to get into psycom?

53:19

Yes, okay, breaking

53:21

complex science and history into

53:24

language the general audience can understand.

53:26

You know, I think this is something

53:29

that is so important and

53:31

that is under prioritized in

53:34

training, in grad school training. Yeah,

53:36

in our experience, in our experience. You know,

53:39

we went to grad school. We graduated from grad school six

53:41

years ago. Yeah, so a long time time. But

53:45

I think that there are many different things that you can

53:47

practice. And what

53:50

we do is that when I am reading

53:52

all this information, I'm thinking

53:55

of the story that I want to tell, Like how

53:57

do these pieces fit together? How

53:59

do I hook Aaron at the beginning and

54:01

the rest of our listeners, Like what is

54:03

the interesting thing I'm going to lead with? And

54:05

then how do I explain it after that. One

54:08

of the biggest problems that scientists run

54:10

into is using jargon or over using

54:12

jargon, right. And it's really easy

54:15

to do that because that's what we've been trained

54:17

in, these overly complex

54:19

concepts that we spend so much time learning,

54:22

you know, you forget how you learn them. And

54:25

to have that to be able to say something

54:27

like hypoxia, call

54:30

out, call out my husband John. That's a good

54:32

example to say hypoxia. There's

54:34

a lot of information that goes into that one

54:37

word, and it's a shortcut. And

54:39

so jargon and these these complex concepts

54:41

are shortcuts, and we rely on those

54:43

because they make communication more

54:46

precise and clear in a scientific context,

54:48

But when it comes to chatting with like the general audience,

54:50

it's not it's not helpful. And

54:53

so when we're telling stories, you

54:55

know, we have the almost like it's

54:57

a it's an advantage of we're coming cross

55:00

this information almost for the first

55:02

time ourselves. So when I'm reading

55:04

about the history of hemochromatosis

55:07

or neurovirus or something like that,

55:10

I've never read about this before, or if

55:12

I had, it's not been as in depth,

55:14

and so I'm learning it at the same time

55:16

that I am thinking what I want to teach Aaron,

55:19

right, And putting it in an order that

55:21

to me makes sense, And so I think

55:23

that's one of the biggest helpful

55:25

things, is just sort of keeping in

55:27

check with myself, like, Okay, how

55:30

am I reframing this in my own

55:32

mind? And then how can I use that then to

55:34

teach Aaron?

55:35

Yeah, I do a very similar thing. And I also

55:38

I also use my husband a lot.

55:39

Yeah, thank you, Brett.

55:41

I will be like, can I just read this to you? Can

55:43

you tell me if this makes sense? And like check in with

55:45

someone. So I think a lot of times it is practice, right,

55:48

It's like practicing your story,

55:50

bouncing ideas off of someone to make

55:52

sure that something is clear or if there's a better way

55:54

that you can explain it, and just making

55:57

sure that we're not using jargon

55:59

as much as.

55:59

Possible, which I know I am guilty of a

56:01

lot of times we all are. It's like, and this

56:03

is not something so you know, this kind of answers

56:05

the second question or goes into it.

56:08

So recommending what would we recommend

56:10

to scientists who wanted to get into sycom

56:13

like podcasting is just like practicing

56:15

at it and not being too worried

56:17

that you get it wrong, right, Like because It takes a long

56:19

time, but you have to practice and you have

56:22

to ask for feedback. You can't

56:24

just be like, go out in the world and

56:26

start doing science communication and not

56:29

want to and not get any feedback, because

56:31

you need to know what things you need to improve on and

56:33

what things, what things are working, what things aren't

56:35

working. And also, you know, I

56:37

think this is an advice that we give in

56:40

workshops, which is just like, be intentional

56:42

about all that you do, about the words that you're

56:44

using, about the questions

56:46

that you're getting, and about what you

56:48

like about different forms of SIcom

56:51

you know what works for you, Who are your favorite creators,

56:53

why are they your favorite creators, what are your favorite

56:56

stories? Like all of this is just being

56:58

very intentional with your

57:00

science communication.

57:01

Yeah, Leah would

57:03

like to know, are there any specific areas

57:05

of epidemiological research that you're excited

57:08

to see evolve and develop in the next few

57:10

years or decades? So

57:12

many, so many. Yeah, in

57:15

medicine, and I think this is true in public health as

57:17

well. I think that we are really

57:19

starting to understand how important

57:22

communication and feedback

57:24

and like things other than just

57:28

diseuse metrics and stuff is.

57:30

Like the human side.

57:31

I guess of it all.

57:33

I think it's so important, and

57:36

so I think I hope that that will continue

57:38

to be something that people focus on and research

57:40

and like the human impact of all of

57:43

these different chronic and acute

57:45

illnesses that we see and how people like live

57:47

with them and experience them and things like that.

57:49

Yeah, I think that's a great I think that's a great answer.

57:52

Online the online

57:54

the internet is double edged sword

57:56

or like many edged sword. But I feel

57:58

like one of the things that has has been great

58:01

is raising awareness and sharing experiences

58:04

that I think has highlighted some of the ways that

58:07

medicine and science has failed,

58:09

right, you know, failed patients, failed the general

58:11

public, and how we can do better

58:13

at that. And I think that there are you know, is it going to take

58:15

time, Yes, but I think that there are people

58:18

who are really invested in making

58:20

this a better situation for

58:22

everyone, because we have to have everyone

58:24

on the same page if we don't want this rise

58:26

in anti science. I feel like I'm lecturing, but like

58:29

I feel very strongly also.

58:31

Can I say, like universal health care in the US? Can

58:33

I say that, I really really hope

58:35

yes, But that's a thing, ye that we

58:37

see soon.

58:40

I would also like to add these

58:43

AI and machine learning

58:45

oh death, and like how that's going to help

58:48

just make sense of some of

58:50

the patterns that we may not see or help

58:52

like things with drug discovery, which we've already

58:54

talked about a few times on the podcast. I think there's

58:57

so much potential there.

58:58

Talk about double edged sort that gonna have to be careful

59:01

but has a lot of potential. I know, like

59:03

so much, so much potential and

59:06

woof.

59:07

Okay, with

59:09

great technology comes great consequences

59:12

responsibility. Yeah, yeah too. Oh

59:17

this question is just the

59:19

best. Okay, Okay, I love this. Andrea

59:22

and Eloise have asked and

59:24

I'm a quote word for words. He's very cute.

59:27

Yea quote. I listened to your podcast

59:29

with my mom in my comfiest outfit,

59:31

a homemade TPWK why shirt

59:34

we tied eyed, my shark Jammi's and

59:36

comfy song.

59:36

I love that. I want and

59:39

I.

59:39

Wanted to know what's your comfy outfit.

59:42

I'm not wearing it right now, I'm wearing jeans same.

59:44

I don't know why we chose this.

59:46

I'm sweating, sweating. My

59:48

comfious outfit is just

59:50

like, oh, actually I have I just

59:53

popped into my head, give it to me. This

59:55

is so embarrassing. I full

59:58

Kirkland gear. Yes, I have my Kirkland

1:00:00

branded sweatpants Kirkland

1:00:02

signature. They're the gray version. They're

1:00:05

the comfiest sweatpants I own.

1:00:07

I wear them as much as I possibly can. And

1:00:09

my Costco embroidered sweatshirt

1:00:12

that when I bought in Costco,

1:00:15

the you know, the person who was scanning me

1:00:17

and like doing the checkout was like, oh, yeah, everyone's

1:00:19

buying these as white elephant gifts because

1:00:22

who would want to own one of these? And

1:00:24

he's like, is that what you're buying this for? And

1:00:26

I was like, no, this one's for me,

1:00:31

not sponsored, No, just

1:00:34

genuinely love Costco and Kirkland

1:00:36

branded gear wear.

1:00:40

Oh my god, that's my comfiest outfit.

1:00:42

That's a really good comfious outfit. I don't

1:00:46

think I have one as specific. I can't

1:00:48

top that erin, I don't.

1:00:49

Have like a comfius T shirt, Like, what is your go

1:00:52

to T shirt?

1:00:53

I think my go to Like the comfiest thing

1:00:55

is when I steal one of my husband's T shirts.

1:00:57

Oh for sure those are always mine.

1:00:58

Yeah, yeah, So I one of his T shirts

1:01:01

and then like a pair of very loose

1:01:03

Actually, I have this one pair of

1:01:06

shorts that I

1:01:09

They're like, I could never

1:01:11

wear them in anything remotely considered

1:01:13

public because they're just like very

1:01:16

very small and very loose.

1:01:18

Are this someone's from your mom? No?

1:01:22

I don't think so, Okay, No, I bought. I think

1:01:24

I bought these like right before

1:01:26

I delivered my first kid as

1:01:28

like comfy clothes to wear postpartum, and just like

1:01:30

still wear them all the time. Also several

1:01:32

pairs of postpartum likings.

1:01:34

Although okay, anyways, Oh,

1:01:37

I love that question though it's a really good ones.

1:01:41

Elsie would like to know how many times

1:01:43

has someone commented or spoken to

1:01:45

us and said that they were diagnosed after

1:01:47

listening to an episode.

1:01:49

You know, this has been one of the most

1:01:52

incredible and I'll say it against surreal

1:01:54

moments of this podcast where we

1:01:56

do get emails, we get messages where people

1:01:59

say, I listened to this episode

1:02:01

and it kind of resonated with me

1:02:03

in terms of my symptoms. So I went talked

1:02:05

to a doctor and I have this condition.

1:02:08

Yeah, so it's you

1:02:11

know, it's several, it's any people. It is a

1:02:13

surprising number of people. And I feel like that is

1:02:15

what has been so incredibly

1:02:18

powerful, Like.

1:02:20

It breaks my heart and fills my heart

1:02:22

at the exact same time, because I don't want

1:02:24

anyone to have to live with all of these things that

1:02:26

we cover. And I cannot

1:02:29

believe how thankful I

1:02:31

am, or maybe thankful is not the right

1:02:33

word, but how grateful

1:02:35

I am that we were able to help somebody in

1:02:38

that way of being able to like be empowered

1:02:40

with more information and things like

1:02:42

that, Like it's really.

1:02:43

It's it's.

1:02:46

One of the best parts of the job. That truly And when

1:02:48

people get their flu shots for the first time after listening,

1:02:50

yes, or like, oh, I need to check out

1:02:52

my boosters, right, do I need my tea Depp or

1:02:54

so many of you who now are like having careers

1:02:57

in public health and epidemiology and science

1:02:59

and medicine.

1:03:00

Like I we read every.

1:03:03

Single one of those comments, you guys, and

1:03:05

it we're not doing a good job

1:03:07

of explaining how incredible

1:03:10

and amazing it is.

1:03:12

I think we're it's it's overwhelming, Yeah,

1:03:14

and we don't know how to articulate how.

1:03:16

How think how thank you?

1:03:18

Yeah? Like how it

1:03:20

just I still cannot believe

1:03:22

it, Yeah, and it still feels it feels

1:03:25

not real. Yeah, Like there are times because Aaron

1:03:27

and I record this well

1:03:30

most often in other places,

1:03:33

and it's just us talking to

1:03:35

each other, right, it is just us talking to each

1:03:37

other, right. And occasionally we'll do you

1:03:39

know, seminars or keynotes or

1:03:41

workshops or whatever, and it's like this

1:03:44

is you know, we have an audience,

1:03:46

right, But for the most part, it still

1:03:48

feels like it is just us. And so then when

1:03:50

we get these emails from people

1:03:52

all around the world, it

1:03:54

is I

1:03:57

don't I don't have the words.

1:03:58

No, I don't think we're doing a good job our ticulating

1:04:00

ourselves. But we are just so immensely

1:04:02

grateful for every single one of you listening.

1:04:05

You don't understand the impact that you have had in

1:04:07

our lives.

1:04:08

Yes, so so thank you.

1:04:10

We love it. Okay, well I'm

1:04:12

going to cry, so we should move on. Oh

1:04:17

a fun one erin sure Selena

1:04:19

wants to know what is.

1:04:21

A book or movie that you wish you could read.

1:04:23

Or watch again for the first time. I have an

1:04:25

answer for this. I have read books in my life.

1:04:28

I just haven't been able to read

1:04:30

the last few years because I just read

1:04:32

papers like for the podcast.

1:04:34

Anyways, Golden Compass, Great

1:04:37

Golden Compass, and like that whole trilogy

1:04:40

I reread every few years because

1:04:42

I just love it so much. And if I could experience

1:04:45

that, especially the third book, my heart

1:04:47

being ripped out of my body for

1:04:49

the first time again, I would love that.

1:04:52

Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, okay,

1:04:54

okay, I just had to take a full on computer

1:04:57

break to worth it. We

1:04:59

want a true as you know, and

1:05:01

I still I still have like several

1:05:04

I feel like I'm going to do the two

1:05:07

first. I like, I feel like Fingersmith and

1:05:10

the Sparrow, great books. Love

1:05:12

those. Wish I could read those again for the first time because

1:05:14

of the way it evolved throughout the narrative

1:05:17

evolved throughout the book. But the other

1:05:19

book that I think I wish I could

1:05:21

read again for the first time because

1:05:23

it was so surprising to me was Cloud

1:05:25

at Lists.

1:05:26

So, okay, I remember you telling me

1:05:29

to read this, Yes, okay.

1:05:30

So what happened was when and this might be

1:05:32

now spoiling it for like the experience

1:05:35

for people, So if you don't want that, just

1:05:37

skip ahead, like me thirty seconds

1:05:39

to a minute when I was in

1:05:42

between my undergrad and my masters

1:05:44

and I was having to like, do a bunch of

1:05:46

microscope work in this neuroscience

1:05:49

lab. I would listen to books

1:05:51

on CD back then, Wow,

1:05:54

uh yeah yourself a little bit. Oh yeah.

1:05:57

And I picked out Cloud Outless

1:05:59

because the cover looked interesting.

1:06:00

That was it.

1:06:01

I knew nothing about it, didn't have good reads back then,

1:06:03

and I just popped in the first

1:06:05

CD. And then I got

1:06:07

to the end of the first CD, you know, end of Disc

1:06:10

one, switched to Disc too. I put

1:06:12

in Disc Too, and I was like, oh, are

1:06:14

you kidding me? Somebody scratched up

1:06:16

the entire CD. It

1:06:18

was. It was a totally different narrator, totally

1:06:20

different story. And I was like, I don't understand what

1:06:22

is going on here, but I have

1:06:25

nothing else, so I'm just going to go with it. And

1:06:28

it turns out that that's the way the

1:06:30

book is. It

1:06:32

breaks off abruptly in between chapters.

1:06:35

And that made the entire experience, not

1:06:37

going into it knowing that made

1:06:39

the entire experience so much more

1:06:41

compelling and surprising. And

1:06:44

I you know how I hate spoilers

1:06:46

more than anything, well, not more than anything else,

1:06:48

but they're one of my biggest pet peeves on

1:06:50

this earth. Saying that there's a twist

1:06:53

in a book is a spoiler. I stand

1:06:55

very firmly in that, you

1:06:57

know, that's my very strong position.

1:07:00

Yeah, and so this has also made

1:07:02

me realize how much not knowing

1:07:04

something about a book or a movie or

1:07:06

a TV show, that's that's

1:07:09

my preferred state of being right before I

1:07:11

you know, partaking.

1:07:12

Right shares it. It shapes the experience.

1:07:15

Yeah. Oh so that was a very long answer,

1:07:17

but I wanted to give context. No,

1:07:20

I agree.

1:07:21

I like that too, when you don't know anything about what it's

1:07:24

going to be, like.

1:07:24

Yeah, Aaron, Yeah, I

1:07:27

this is such a great question. Kiara

1:07:30

wants to know if we could have only

1:07:32

one type of sandwich for the rest of our lives,

1:07:34

what sandwich would you pick?

1:07:36

And why? This is a very

1:07:38

difficult question for me. I know it's not hard for

1:07:40

you.

1:07:41

Got it, got, cut it back, Go go Italian

1:07:43

sandwich with like provolone, you know, pickled

1:07:46

maybe like jardonara on their vinegar,

1:07:50

just like cured meats, pickled vegetables, melted

1:07:53

cheese.

1:07:54

I think that this only feels difficult to me because

1:07:56

I feel like my answer is very boring and I feel

1:07:58

like I should have a sexier answer. But

1:08:01

I think that my if I go to my heart of hearts,

1:08:04

my answer is the sandwich that I wanted

1:08:06

so badly both times that I was pregnant

1:08:08

and I was like terrified of listerious so I wasn't eating any

1:08:10

lunch meat, and that is turkey

1:08:13

sandwich on sourdough

1:08:15

bread or like something similar with

1:08:18

like I don't know, a cheddar cheese, a lot

1:08:20

of mayo. I don't need bacon

1:08:22

on it. Some avocado would be great, some

1:08:24

lettuce that's crunchy. I don't care that

1:08:26

much about tomatoes. Plus or minus. It's

1:08:28

like a it's a turkey sandwich. Is a boring

1:08:30

turkey sandwich?

1:08:33

I mean? Is an Italian sandwich sexy?

1:08:36

It feels like it? Yeah, with like jardinia

1:08:39

and like some peppers like ooh ooh you

1:08:41

know No

1:08:43

I love a turkey sandwich.

1:08:45

I yeah I do too.

1:08:46

Yeah.

1:08:46

Yeah.

1:08:47

Anyways, I love this question

1:08:50

because like we've been we've been

1:08:52

reviewing these questions as they've come in,

1:08:54

and so this I feel like has generated

1:08:56

a lot of conversation outside

1:08:58

of Yes the podcast, see it's

1:09:00

the other great answer. Yeah.

1:09:02

Yeah, I don't think anyone has said like a meatball

1:09:04

sub yet. Know what about grilled

1:09:07

cheese. Ooh, I forgot

1:09:09

about grilled cheese. That would be my kid's answer

1:09:11

for sure. Oh but then there's pep and j Right,

1:09:14

I'm okay with not eating pep and ja. Ever again, I

1:09:16

had so much during fieldwork that I.

1:09:18

Am okay, okay.

1:09:20

Well, thinks Shira

1:09:23

would like to know. What is something

1:09:25

interesting that each respective Aaron doesn't know

1:09:27

about the other. I

1:09:30

don't know we have anything.

1:09:31

I really don't know, like especially something

1:09:33

interesting. Thing is there's nothing interesting

1:09:35

about me. I'm like, I

1:09:39

own this many pairs of socks, Like you don't

1:09:41

know how many pairs of socks I own.

1:09:42

But that's not I know that you wont know way

1:09:44

too many pairs of socks, is what I know about you? I

1:09:46

love I'm gonna shout out dark dart,

1:09:49

but I think here's the thing, is, like we know everything

1:09:51

there is to know about each other.

1:09:52

Let me tell you.

1:09:53

Aaron loves weird flavors like grape

1:09:55

it's delicious so gross, Nerds,

1:09:59

ropes and nerds, jelly oh God, nerds.

1:10:01

Jelly beans need to go off of the shelves

1:10:03

because it is a problem.

1:10:07

I love them. Yep.

1:10:09

Anyways, yeah, okay,

1:10:11

So next question, Heather

1:10:14

would like to know. Oh this is similar speaking

1:10:16

of nerds ropes. Yes, what desserts

1:10:18

do you like? And I would love it if we got to eat

1:10:21

them at Mile High API C conference.

1:10:23

Yes, okay, I love this year and I feel

1:10:25

like you have great answers for this.

1:10:26

I love almost every dessert. Yes, I

1:10:29

love let's see, I love cheesecake. I love a chocolate

1:10:31

dessert. I love almost any kind of pie.

1:10:34

I love cream pies.

1:10:36

I love fruit pies, fruit pies a little.

1:10:37

Less than cream pies, if I'm being honest, chocolate

1:10:41

pies. You know what's

1:10:43

funny is I don't love a cake, but I will always eat

1:10:46

a cake.

1:10:46

You don't love a cake? Nope, I don't love a cake. Are

1:10:49

you including cheesecake in that?

1:10:50

No, cheesecake is separate.

1:10:52

Is cheesecake a cake?

1:10:54

Yes, but cheesecake is not cake. It's not okay,

1:10:57

Okay, No, this

1:10:59

is good. Yeah, Like I'm talking

1:11:01

like a layer cake, like a cupcake cake. You

1:11:04

know that's a different than a cheesecake.

1:11:06

All right, I love

1:11:08

cookies.

1:11:12

There's not a dessert. So those are your favorite desserts.

1:11:14

There's a long Listen. Favorite is a

1:11:16

strong word, like you were saying about books.

1:11:18

That's how I feel about to share it.

1:11:20

Here's a question, is I don't have good reads for

1:11:22

desserts? But you could say, maybe,

1:11:25

all right, if is there a dessert

1:11:27

where if you saw like a table of desserts,

1:11:29

you would be like, no, I'm okay

1:11:31

if even if that's the only dessert on

1:11:33

the table, you know what I mean? Like,

1:11:37

is there a dessert that I would reject?

1:11:38

Or like a.

1:11:39

Style of donut we'll say, you know, like that kind

1:11:41

of thing.

1:11:41

No, especially not donut. I love donuts. I

1:11:44

don't actually think that there is, and it's to

1:11:46

a fault, like even maybe

1:11:49

the like cruddiest of like conference

1:11:51

cookie, you know the ones.

1:11:54

The ones that have like let sugar cookies

1:11:56

with the frosting, or like.

1:11:58

Just like a you're at a conference at

1:12:00

like a cruddy hotel and

1:12:02

they bring out the like tray of cookies and you can

1:12:05

tell that they're like meally, you

1:12:08

know you know what.

1:12:10

I'm talking about. No, you don't.

1:12:11

Someone out there does that Those

1:12:14

might be the only thing that if I were super

1:12:16

full, I wouldn't eat. Is like a cookie

1:12:19

okay, that doesn't look like a good cookie. Okay,

1:12:21

But otherwise all those little like not

1:12:24

I would eat most desserts.

1:12:26

All right, Yeah, what is your favorite ice

1:12:28

cream flavor? If you could

1:12:30

have one ice cream flavor? I love? This

1:12:32

is my favorite type of question, if you could have one ice cream

1:12:35

flavor, one sandwich.

1:12:36

Because here's the thing, is you like these kind of hypothetical

1:12:39

questions and I don't.

1:12:41

It's not going to happen. I know it will be allowed

1:12:43

to have whatever ice cream you want.

1:12:44

Dressful I

1:12:50

I don't. I don't have

1:12:52

an answer to that.

1:12:53

I love.

1:12:54

I love ice cream so much. I

1:12:57

can't pick one flavor. Okay, that's

1:13:00

fine to have to I'm stressed out.

1:13:03

George would like to know are

1:13:06

there any episodes that we'd like to revisit,

1:13:08

re record, add on to, or

1:13:11

go back and connect more explicitly

1:13:13

to episodes that we recorded later.

1:13:17

Question. That's a doozy of a question, and

1:13:19

I think the short answer is yes, Yes.

1:13:22

I think it would be really interesting to approach

1:13:25

well, to approach some of the diseases

1:13:27

we've already covered, particularly in the

1:13:29

earlier early episode seasons.

1:13:31

Yeah, from a different perspective,

1:13:33

Yeah, like from more of a either,

1:13:36

like from a the like

1:13:38

I would like I would love to do a germ theory

1:13:41

episode where it's like, what are the actual

1:13:43

steps instead of just like and everyone knows germ

1:13:45

theory happened, then you know.

1:13:47

Aaron, we could still do that could okay,

1:13:50

like we didn't cover and we've talked about germ

1:13:52

theory.

1:13:53

But at the same time, I would also

1:13:55

love to revisit in more

1:13:57

depth some of the ones that we did, because I feel

1:13:59

like there are so many stories that we didn't

1:14:02

tell.

1:14:02

Yeah, I think that's true of so many I

1:14:04

think that was what was fun about re kind of redoing

1:14:06

Influenza, our very first episode, right

1:14:09

because yeah, especially in our early season,

1:14:11

we just know how much we left out because

1:14:14

we didn't know what we were doing.

1:14:15

We know what we're doing, but yeah, I think just

1:14:18

different perspectives of things, and I feel like we've

1:14:20

been doing that more like the history

1:14:22

of the stethoscope or what

1:14:25

is a fever? Stuff like that, where it's like, let's

1:14:27

take this and then spin it a little differently

1:14:29

instead of just our usual format,

1:14:32

and I've been really having it it's

1:14:34

with That would be really fun. Yeah, I agree,

1:14:37

Thank you for that. Gank Taren

1:14:41

would like to know what our favorite

1:14:43

thing is that we have learned recently.

1:14:47

I want to steal yours that you taught me earlier today.

1:14:50

Go ahead, But did you know.

1:14:53

That cows can swim? Aaron just taught

1:14:55

me this as we were reading through these questions and showed

1:14:57

me a video of cows like jumping off

1:14:59

of both.

1:15:01

Yeah. That was the most surprising

1:15:03

part of it is that they left off of the

1:15:05

no alsitation A cow a

1:15:08

cow like a regular looking cow, A

1:15:10

beautiful looking cow. I

1:15:12

am to an island.

1:15:13

To grace it did not the way they went underwater

1:15:16

and came back up. Wow, I did

1:15:18

not.

1:15:19

Yeah, you were real nervous the first cow leap.

1:15:21

Yeah, it's not well.

1:15:22

And when the two leapt off at the same time,

1:15:24

I was like, how's that gonna go?

1:15:25

Great? They were fine. Yeah, that is

1:15:28

one of my favorite things. Yes, that's what I was

1:15:30

going to do.

1:15:31

Yeah, okay,

1:15:33

we have a couple of questions.

1:15:34

We're almost done. We only have a couple of questions.

1:15:36

Lest Yes, Sydney

1:15:38

and Carol would both like to know will

1:15:42

we do any live shows or

1:15:44

have we ever thought of going on tour

1:15:47

or doing more seminars?

1:15:48

Well, okay, definitely yes to the seminars

1:15:51

and workshops, I come workshops

1:15:53

and putting those together to try

1:15:55

to you know, like basically take

1:15:58

what we have learned this

1:16:01

bizarre podcast experience that was totally

1:16:03

unexpected and helped teach

1:16:05

other people to work on their pyecom skills. So totally

1:16:08

absolutely, seminars et cetera live

1:16:10

show tour would be really fuck

1:16:14

what would you all want them?

1:16:17

Let us know? It sounds really nerve

1:16:20

wrecking? Does sound nerve wracking? Like

1:16:22

we're not performers, Like we got into this because

1:16:24

we're scientists. Even right now, we're sweating

1:16:27

and we're like just in a room

1:16:29

with each other.

1:16:30

We're just nervous, sweating this whole entire time.

1:16:32

Yeah, so yeah,

1:16:34

yeah, but we are.

1:16:37

I think there was a question earlier about like what's

1:16:39

your hopes for the future, And I am really

1:16:41

excited. We've been trying working really hard

1:16:43

on kind of like expanding all

1:16:45

that we have learned about science communication

1:16:48

into these like workshops and seminars that I'm like super

1:16:50

excited about moving forward. So yeah,

1:16:53

if you have an organization or are part

1:16:55

of a university or whatever and you're

1:16:57

interested, shout out to our tech

1:17:00

page on this podcast. We till You dot com we

1:17:02

would love to come talk totally.

1:17:06

Okay, we have one last question. Oh my

1:17:08

gosh, this has been really

1:17:10

fun.

1:17:11

I know, better than I expected, even though I'm nervous

1:17:13

sweating.

1:17:13

I'm nervous sweating, but also it's just felt

1:17:16

really good, like

1:17:18

I don't know, I know, to talk

1:17:20

about some of these things, especially the

1:17:22

three course meal versus that.

1:17:25

Okay,

1:17:31

last question. My last question comes from Casey,

1:17:34

and it is what are you most proud of about

1:17:36

the podcast?

1:17:37

Every one of you listening? Yeah?

1:17:42

I am.

1:17:43

Also, I sometimes feel

1:17:46

ridiculous just

1:17:48

how proud I feel of this podcast. Me

1:17:51

too, Like I love

1:17:54

so much that we are able

1:17:56

to keep doing this, And it is one hundred

1:17:58

percent because of every person

1:18:01

listening.

1:18:02

Absolutely it is.

1:18:04

I mean I can't I can't even

1:18:06

add any to that, like that is it is all

1:18:08

of you.

1:18:09

Yeah.

1:18:10

Can we be proud of you? Yeah?

1:18:12

We are?

1:18:13

Huh yeah?

1:18:16

Oh wow, this was fun here,

1:18:19

This was really fun. Yeah, I loved

1:18:21

it. I love doing this podcast

1:18:24

with you.

1:18:24

Too, forever, Aaron. No, I

1:18:26

have a second thing I'm really proud of. Oh actually

1:18:28

this is really important. I know you do, and

1:18:31

I'm.

1:18:31

Can I can I guess what you're about to say, yeah that

1:18:33

we're still really good friends throughout

1:18:35

this whole thing. We get to be best

1:18:37

friends still. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:18:40

That is that. So when this

1:18:42

was part of the conversation that we had when you decided

1:18:45

to do this podcast full time, it's

1:18:47

like we knew that that was going to be very stressful

1:18:49

and a lot like okay, now we're business partners,

1:18:52

yeah, and we knew that that was going to be

1:18:54

really hard and stressful, and we said, Okay,

1:18:57

if we are going to do this, our

1:18:59

first priority has to be

1:19:02

that we stay friends.

1:19:03

Yeah, and we did. We did.

1:19:05

We just spent how many days like together non

1:19:09

stop? And I still love

1:19:11

you.

1:19:11

I still love you too.

1:19:15

We're so cute. We should stop now.

1:19:17

Yeah

1:19:21

all right, Yeah, I mean I

1:19:23

don't know how to end this other than like thank

1:19:26

you all again.

1:19:28

And sorry that we didn't get to every single question. There were

1:19:30

so many great ones. Thank you all again

1:19:32

for so many of your questions. Thank you for all

1:19:34

of the kind messages that you wrote. Yes,

1:19:37

yeah, we said, it means the world so much.

1:19:39

It really does, and we also

1:19:42

appreciate you like yeah, yes,

1:19:44

letting us keep doing this, Yeah, writing

1:19:46

to us about other things other than questions. Like,

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we love getting emails from you, messages

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from you. Yeah, yeah,

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we should. We need to, We need to cut ourselves. We've got to

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wrap this up.

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Thank you also to Bloodmobile for

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providing the music for this episode, every single

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one of our episodes.

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Thank you to Leana Sculacci and

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Tom Bryfogel for all the incredible audio

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mixing.

1:20:06

Couldn't do it without yet. Thank you to everyone at

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Exactly Right Network.

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Thank you to you listeners. We've said it a million times,

1:20:12

but we're gonna say it again. Thank you, thank you, thank.

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You, and a special shout out as always to

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our patrons. Your support means

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the world to us.

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Totally wow. Well,

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until next time, wash your hands

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you feel the animals