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On this episode of This Week

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in Space, it's our holiday special,

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what's it like to celebrate Christmas

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in orbit? What was your favorite

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space toy? Will Tarek ever look

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older than 14? in Join me, producer

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Anthony, the favorite space little Tarek for

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Anthony, the amazing Aunt

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for a Holiday Romp

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on December 20th,

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2024, December 20th, 2024, the

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Twis Holiday Special, 2024, Tiny

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Taricks, Christmas, Turkey.

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Was the week before

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Christmas and all through

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the Warwick, not a

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creature was stirring, not

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even little Toric? He slept

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like an angel in a a

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body so jolly the the

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fire was crackling like his space

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tron plays folly He had warm

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thoughts of twist episodes past and

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he stirred in his

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slumbers, but even nightmares don't

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last. don't So So us,

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my friends, for a tale

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so whimsical that you

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won't want to leave, not

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even for not even for a

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crimson twas the week before

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and happy holidays welcome

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to this week welcome

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to go to some headlines, but

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before we do we do, have a

3:52

housekeeping moment here here. because

3:54

we we of an

3:56

interesting inquiry from... inquiry from

3:58

Michael Clary. Michael, who said,

4:01

how many Apollo moonships could you send

4:03

to the moon on a star ship?

4:05

Oh yeah, you did a bunch of

4:07

math for this one, didn't you? Well,

4:09

as much as I'm capable, we've had

4:11

this conversation before, haven't we? Why didn't

4:14

Rod stay in astronomy? All right, so

4:16

here's a fairly easy challenge and I'm

4:18

sure that somebody out there... because we

4:20

have a few rivet counters in the

4:22

cosmos, will be able to tell me

4:24

where I slipped up here. But the

4:27

Apollo 11 command module alone was 11

4:29

feet tall without the escape tower, and

4:31

that's gone by the time they reach

4:33

orbit, although it's in a Starship it

4:35

wouldn't be. But let's just say they're

4:37

not going to have escape tower, because

4:40

it would do them no good inside

4:42

a Starship cargo hold. So a Starship

4:44

cargo hold being 56 feet tall, it

4:46

would hold just over five command modules.

4:48

and a few bananas if they were

4:50

stacked vertically. Now that's just a single

4:52

stack though. If you dump the bunch

4:55

in there, I'm sure somebody who knew

4:57

how to do calculus could tell me

4:59

the total number, but Heaven's Debetsy, not

5:01

me anymore. Okay, but... Re-setting here. Yeah,

5:03

yeah. Because I sort of envisioned you

5:05

dumping him in like a salt shaker

5:08

instead of actually, you know, organizing them

5:10

properly. If you had the command module

5:12

and the service module, it's propulsive and

5:14

power unit. You could barely fit two

5:16

of them stacked to top each other

5:18

inside And since the Command module service

5:20

module stack had a diameter of about

5:23

12 feet and Starship's cargo bay has

5:25

a diameter 26 I think that's a

5:27

tight fit re in there Maybe six

5:29

but if you add the lunar module

5:31

which is what it takes to transit

5:33

and land on the moon so Apollo

5:36

11 on Apollo 8 just had the

5:38

command service module The lunar module is

5:40

18 feet high and 14 feet diameter

5:42

with its legs folded. You can stack

5:44

the whole... command module, lunar module stack

5:46

in there, ants just shaking his head

5:48

inside. And with some fiddling, because we

5:51

all know Elon could fudge things on

5:53

Starship, maybe three of those. And since

5:55

the command module, service module, lunar module,

5:57

stack would go to the moon all

5:59

on its own and return, Starship would

6:01

only need to carry them to low

6:04

earth orbit or thereabouts. And the weight

6:06

of that stack, the mass wet-fueled. is

6:08

about 97,000 pounds. Starship's supposed payload capacity

6:10

is between 220,000 to 330,000 depending on

6:12

whether it's expendable or returning. So it

6:14

could potentially carry those three fully fueled

6:16

spacecraft stacks that would get nine people

6:19

of the moon and back. However, we

6:21

still have to get them out of

6:23

Earth orbit and send them to the

6:25

moon, which is what the remaining fuel

6:27

in the S4B stage used to be

6:29

for the Saturn V. So you could

6:32

probably use either a little solid, well

6:34

I'm listening, solid rocket kick motor, or

6:36

well, well, so the S4B had 220,000

6:38

pounds of thrust and burned for about

6:40

five minutes to get them out of

6:42

the air forward on the way of

6:44

the moon. But because a single Raptor

6:47

engine on Starship has about half a

6:49

million pounds of thrust, you could probably

6:51

burn that for a minute or two.

6:53

or burn three of them for just

6:55

a little blip. So anyway, this is

6:57

very inexact, but I was trying to

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give you the best answer I can,

7:02

Michael. In any case, somebody, Michael, looking

7:04

at you, should call NASA and tell

7:06

them to dust off the remaining capsules

7:08

and lunar modules and service modules, which

7:10

is sitting in museums, and as we've

7:13

seen from a number of movies, like,

7:15

was that one moon, moonfall? Moonfall? where

7:17

you take a space shuttle out of

7:19

the museum and just kind of dust

7:21

it off and clean the window and

7:23

the next thing you know you're launching,

7:25

we could take all these things and

7:28

send them off the moon and think

7:30

of the money we'd save. Yeah, that's

7:32

right. That's right. Of

7:34

course, you did

7:36

need to have the

7:38

falling so that

7:41

it changes gravity so

7:43

that you can

7:45

get off the ground

7:47

changes gravity so that you engines

7:49

or something like

7:51

that. Yeah, it has

7:53

to be full

7:56

of two main engines or something

7:58

but like that. Yeah, it a

8:00

horrible movie. nano bumblebees,

8:02

we go. What a horrible movie.

8:04

Okay. So there we go. let

8:06

us get going

8:09

on some headlines headlines because

8:11

long as we've

8:13

got in torture mode

8:15

here, we might as

8:17

well continue with

8:19

it with it. he's sitting

8:21

there there thinking. Headline. I watch

8:24

football during this.

8:26

I'm thinking I'm so

8:28

grateful for my grateful for

8:30

my dear. Yeah, but you only have

8:32

one. All right, so All right,

8:34

give so us your give us

8:37

your first one then I'll roll.

8:39

Yeah, yeah, so it is the season, of the

8:41

season. spacecraft. Well, course cook your

8:43

spacecraft. Well, that's right right wherever

8:45

you're having lots of holiday

8:47

roasts and and do it gonna do it

8:49

probe and probe. And for the the

8:51

first time ever we're about to

8:53

get our closest get up close up

8:55

close and personal with the on Christmas

8:57

Eve. So when Eve. So just when

8:59

everyone's sitting down for we dinner

9:01

We usually have my house actually.

9:03

NASA's going to fly by going to

9:06

fly by making its closest approach

9:08

the the Parker Solar probe. has this

9:10

really good this about how we're

9:12

going to fly to quote the

9:14

sun for the first time. In

9:16

some background, the Parker Solar the

9:18

is NASA's most ambitious most ambitious and

9:20

an intrepid mission to the It's been

9:23

It's been slowly getting closer and

9:25

closer and closer to the with

9:27

a a series of flybys that

9:29

influenced way couple a I think, times, I

9:31

think, etc. So so that it can

9:33

touch like the the that photosphere kind of

9:35

gaseous of layers those know because it's

9:37

not like a rock or whatever

9:39

the a rock or whatever that we can

9:42

understand like what makes it tick

9:44

and on like what makes it tick I

9:46

think it's like at six in

9:48

the morning it's really early the time

9:50

It's going to fly within going to fly

9:52

within .1 million kilometers so that's 3

9:54

.8 million miles remember we're like

9:56

what We're what 92 million from the sun

9:58

the the the earth so very very close by

10:01

and it's gonna withstand temperatures of up

10:03

to like 2,500 degrees which is crazy

10:05

and the goal is to basically understand

10:07

how this sun has been changing over

10:09

time, you know, get this up close,

10:11

like how its weather is behaving, how

10:13

everything in terms of like the the

10:15

heat dynamics are all working. So we

10:17

can understand how these stars work and

10:19

hopefully make sure they don't fry us

10:21

all with solar storms. And it's just

10:23

really amazing. It has this huge thick

10:25

plate on the front as like a

10:27

heat shield. Hopefully it will survive. In

10:29

fact, as you and I are recording

10:31

this rod, Anthony, like getting their last

10:33

signal. from Parker Solar probe until it

10:35

flips around the other side. So it's

10:37

going to go dark, at least signal-wise.

10:39

for the next week or so until

10:41

December 27th, really. And that's when they're

10:43

going to find out one way or

10:45

another if the spacecraft survived like this

10:47

super close flyby of the sun. So

10:49

very exciting stuff. Of course, we're not

10:51

going to know one way or another

10:53

for another week until after Christmas. So

10:55

maybe we'll have a nice belated Christmas

10:57

present. I just dropped my mouse on

10:59

the floor. I hope you didn't hear

11:01

that. I thought extra parts and I

11:03

put a new bottom on it and

11:05

it doesn't even whibble wobble anymore. And

11:07

aunt, you wouldn't believe the amount of

11:09

drama with it. We're going back and

11:12

forth and saying, we're going to get

11:14

the parts and if I get them,

11:16

well, what do I do? And I

11:18

said, just get the new air piston

11:20

for it. They saw that. No, no,

11:22

it's not that. It's a thing and

11:24

all that. I said, okay. Bolt some

11:26

wooden blocks to the foot struts to

11:28

the foot struts to the foot struts.

11:30

Let's roll to a break before I

11:32

say something to a person about this.

11:34

Oh yes, questions about this? No, yes,

11:36

yes. Okay. All right, she's, so, um,

11:38

you said it's gonna flip around, is

11:40

that, what's the point of it flipping

11:42

around? Oh, so I mean, when it

11:44

comes around the other side, basically, when

11:46

it finishes the flyby, it's, it's. going

11:48

so close to the sun close

11:50

to the a and

11:52

it's such a

11:54

harsh environment that it's

11:56

not going to

11:58

be able to get

12:00

the signals out

12:02

because it's the it's

12:04

like all hunkered down

12:06

basically for this like

12:08

all It has like

12:10

a small. this this flyby

12:12

it package a small pounds of of

12:15

instruments on board of of it's going

12:17

to be on all of

12:19

the information and stuff of the sun all

12:21

today and stuff of

12:23

the sun but today Telling Parker

12:25

that it has a small package.

12:27

package. I just don't think that's great. a huge

12:29

spacecraft multi-billion dollars. We only get get these

12:31

there. So I'm I'm curious to see

12:33

how they tested it, if

12:35

it's to be be able to withstand

12:37

that much heat. A great great toward

12:39

it. Well, what's interesting is, so

12:41

the shield is so the shield is, I don't know,

12:43

know, it's a combination of

12:45

graphite and carbon composites, bunch of

12:48

other stuff, right, a bunch of other stuff,

12:50

right. Dark. It's, you you know, it forestall

12:52

heat from that direction. But if

12:54

I recall, the photosphere itself is very

12:56

hot. It's not just, you know, what's

12:58

coming to the surface of the just, you

13:00

know, it's actually the photosphere itself. So

13:02

the whole thing has to be somewhat

13:04

illumination. Uh, what temperature is it exposed

13:06

to? itself. So

13:09

do you know? Well, they has to

13:11

be to 2 ,500 degrees is

13:13

what they said. is it exposed to? And... That's

13:15

hot. I mean, yeah, it's pretty hot. It's pretty hot. It's

13:17

like it's like they They put basically put

13:19

it inside with like a jet engine

13:21

thing, like a and rocket engine, it on and

13:23

and then just did it on and

13:26

said, all right, did we cook it?

13:28

No, no, is a roll that thing out right, good. smoking

13:30

tendrils coming off it. Well, let's smoking tendrils coming off

13:32

it is Oh, let's go back. OK, going to

13:34

be going to be going to be going fast, though.

13:36

It's going to be going percent the

13:38

speed of light because of the acceleration speed

13:40

of like 1% the hundred 1% the speed of 30,000 ,000

13:42

miles an hour, that's really, really

13:44

fast. One sixth of one percent. Can

13:47

I go of break Can I go

13:49

to some bills? bills? and thank you. thank had

13:51

had questions. I just do just do my best,

13:53

Yeah, so. we can't earn your can't earn your big

13:55

fat paycheck if we don't pay some bills. Oh,

13:57

wait. you don't get one. one. we'll be right

13:59

back. back. We'll be right back, stand back.

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complete terms. Restrict restrictions supply. Christmas

15:35

and Hanukkah and so forth in space. Yeah.

15:37

You have a tale for us. I just

15:39

wanted to remind everybody that the holidays are

15:42

coming and I guess for the first time

15:44

it's going to be Christmas and Hanukkah on

15:46

the same day, which is pretty exciting, which

15:49

means that the astronauts in space are going

15:51

to be having a big nice holiday too.

15:53

And I just thought this was a nice

15:55

time. to everyone everyone that has

15:58

been celebrated been holidays

16:00

have been celebrated in

16:02

space for like have been celebrated

16:04

in 50 years now

16:07

right with the almost 50

16:09

more no almost 60

16:11

years or more, almost 60 years. Yeah, yeah.

16:14

Since the reading from Apollo

16:16

Apollo 8, you mentioned Apollo 8, really. So,

16:18

was the first. the first. public

16:20

demonstration. public one, yeah, that's right, one,

16:22

right. right. That's right. then, you had

16:25

astronauts build Christmas trees out of

16:27

food cans on it, food cans and on

16:29

it, and then you've Sounds like my childhood.

16:31

my childhood. astronauts celebrate celebrate Hanukkah in space too and

16:33

And we've got what seven people

16:35

on the on Space Station right now

16:37

from Russia and the United States,

16:40

the others. States among just want everyone

16:42

to think about, if you're celebrating

16:44

the holidays or if you do

16:46

celebrate it all, the holidays

16:48

or if you not alone there. it

16:50

in space doing the same exact

16:52

thing. people up could find all about

16:55

it at NASA, although it's really

16:57

strange about it at NASA although it's last year's

16:59

big holiday last year's big overview that

17:01

has all of these little bits and blurbs

17:03

and photos of how they all have, you

17:05

know, the hats on the space station and stockings

17:07

and stuff like that. like all of the NASA of

17:10

the NASA pages are which is -ing, which is weird.

17:12

So I had to go back to the

17:14

wayback machine, which is what you see Anthony

17:16

scrolling through if you're watching the video watching the

17:18

video there but astronauts who who celebrate

17:20

Christmas do get two Christmases in space space because

17:22

they celebrate, you know Christmas know, Christmas on

17:24

December and they and they celebrate Russian Orthodox

17:26

Christmas with their Russian crewmates, too. too So

17:29

they get, they get like a double

17:31

holiday there. there. But one involves

17:33

alcohol potentially. potentially? wonder what

17:35

your communication is like for

17:37

the families for the families there in

17:39

space back to back to Earth on the back

17:41

Is it is there anything? holidays. Is

17:43

there anything to the premise? That's a really good

17:45

a really good question, you know,

17:48

know, they unquote internet protocol

17:50

phones, which is just like

17:52

Skype, like I understand it, right?

17:54

So they it, right? actually call.

17:56

actually call whenever they like if they if

17:58

they have free time. and are able

18:00

to. And then sometimes they'll catch people.

18:03

It's why you hear astronauts sometimes just

18:05

call ham radio operators for fun, because

18:07

they've got free time and they're able

18:10

to do that. But there are also

18:12

scheduled check-ins with family that they have

18:14

time where they know they can just

18:16

call their family whenever they like. They've

18:19

got their own computer in their sleeping

18:21

quarters too, or that they can use

18:23

to do email and all of that.

18:25

And so they do a lot of

18:28

events that way. And it hasn't always

18:30

been that way, obviously. They haven't had

18:32

these protocol phones, like the videos and

18:34

whatnot, connections over the past. And until

18:37

the constant, like, Teedris-type communication, didn't have

18:39

direct contact all the time at all.

18:41

Now it's just unbroken, and it's taken

18:43

for granted over time. So they do

18:46

need to make sure that they schedule

18:48

that. And then they get cargo, like

18:50

we just had a recent. cargo mission

18:52

there to the space station. They get

18:55

presents and stuff in those two. Special

18:57

foods. Lightweight presence, yeah. So I do

18:59

remember back around 2006, I think. I

19:02

was working on an Apollo book and

19:04

in a similar way, all the NASA

19:06

websites went dark, even historical ones, which

19:08

is weird, because it's not like there's

19:11

a national security issue there. But apparently

19:13

they'd shut them down to deal with

19:15

security issues, which I don't understand, because

19:17

the stuff had been public for 50

19:20

years. Specifically, I was looking up stuff

19:22

on the Saturn V moon rocket. So

19:24

I poked around and the only place

19:26

I could find them was on a

19:29

Chinese server, which is perhaps why they

19:31

were trying to shut it down to

19:33

protect. I mean, cow's kind of out

19:35

of the barn 50-60 years later, but,

19:38

yeah, it was interesting. All right. I

19:40

think we can squeeze in one more.

19:42

Yeah. Oh, this is so depressing. I

19:44

know, I know. Let's let NASA go

19:47

out of business for a week because

19:49

we want them to get to the

19:51

moon first, but not if it costs

19:53

any money. This is like a heads

19:56

up to like the avid space fan

19:58

is. that right now in the United

20:00

States, there's a whole big political debacle

20:03

going on about should we fund the

20:05

government or not, and there is a

20:07

government shutdown looming as we're recording this,

20:09

which means that if the Congress doesn't

20:12

set a budget or agree on a

20:14

bill, then the government is going to

20:16

go into either a full or a

20:18

partial shutdown, most likely a partial one,

20:21

over the weekend. And the reason I

20:23

bring it up. is because NASA obviously

20:25

is part of the government and NASA

20:27

oversees all the space things and of

20:30

course the FAA oversees a lot of

20:32

the commercial space things. And so if

20:34

you were hoping, if this happens and

20:36

you were hoping for unfettered great access

20:39

from NASA for this flyby for example

20:41

that we were talking about earlier with

20:43

Parker Solar probe, just be aware that

20:45

you won't hear anything from like the

20:48

public affairs team. at all from NASA.

20:50

You won't see anything from, you know,

20:52

from official space station sources, etc. Because

20:55

they're not allowed to work during that

20:57

period. Usually there's like a little blurb

20:59

or a message. We've got some, a

21:01

link to the NASA shutdown page. And

21:04

I just want to just to... Let

21:06

our readers or listeners know because maybe

21:08

you can call your your Congress person

21:10

and say hey You know it's the

21:13

holidays, you know learn to work together

21:15

Give me a break So that we

21:17

can all breathe a little easier if

21:19

they go into a shutdown it means

21:22

the folks that NASA don't get paid

21:24

until until it gets done, you know,

21:26

the astronauts in space, the people that

21:28

make these missions work, the people that

21:31

make everything else work, you know, get

21:33

paid, those decision-makers are going to still

21:35

make their mind. Yeah, there is that.

21:37

They give a crap. and the people

21:40

that that that already that do work

21:42

and on on like mission critical things

21:44

the international space station for example mission

21:47

critical life lives at stake they mean

21:49

that those people have to go to

21:51

work and they just won't get paid

21:53

but they are expected to go to

21:56

work in that kind of so can

21:58

i just weigh in here as a

22:00

freelancer and and i don't know how

22:02

you feel about this because i know

22:05

you're you're freelancing as well but mhm

22:07

You know, when I hear people, so

22:09

some of the people I knew at

22:11

JPL were making well into six figures,

22:14

like 300 grand a year, and I'd

22:16

hear the talk about, oh my God,

22:18

I'm going to have to go a

22:20

week without pay. And, you know, I

22:23

get it, you have a job, you

22:25

should get paid, all that kind of

22:27

stuff. But just from my perspective, subjectively,

22:29

going from assignment to assignment, there's no

22:32

contribution matching for Social Security, I mean

22:34

freelancing basically sucks, that it gives you

22:36

a time-wise, it gives you a better

22:38

lifestyle in some ways. But when you're

22:41

on it, you're on it 24-7 and

22:43

it's a beast. So I guess, I

22:45

don't know how another way to put

22:48

it, I have a certain lack of

22:50

sympathy for people that will not do

22:52

that one extra shift at work because

22:54

they might get paid a week later.

22:57

I mean, when I was working for

22:59

Disney, which I did for years, I

23:01

was lucky if I got an invoice

23:03

paid in three months. And they say,

23:06

yeah, boy, we're hustling on it. It's

23:08

like, guys, you know, it's been a

23:10

really long time. Give me a break

23:12

here. So, so anyway, this is all

23:15

kind of a non sequitur, and I

23:17

apologize if it seems off. I'm just

23:19

saying it's the government. They're supposed to

23:21

work, Rod. They work for us, right?

23:24

Well, yeah. And we see how that's

23:26

working for us. I don't have anything

23:28

nice to say about our government, so

23:30

I'm just gonna recuse. So I'm just

23:33

gonna recuse. I'm spinning plates man, you

23:35

know, I got a, I'm not going

23:37

to touch us. He works for the

23:40

private sector, so he's got a whole

23:42

different, yeah. I mean, the other thing

23:44

I found weird about JPL, and just

23:46

be fair, JPL is the money goes

23:49

to Caltech and then they manage JPL,

23:51

so you're not a civil servant, you're

23:53

just an employee, you know, but if,

23:55

what was it? I was working on

23:58

one of those books that I did.

24:00

There was something about, there was a

24:02

deadline, they had a shutdown on Monday

24:04

or something. and you know I said

24:07

well it's okay I'll keep going there

24:09

like no no no it's against the

24:11

law for you to work if we're

24:13

not paying you that day yeah like

24:16

try to stop me you know because

24:18

I was in it for the mission

24:20

I wasn't always a maverick he's a

24:22

maverick who's getting broad pile I was

24:25

doing that for the same reason you're

24:27

here Tark because we believe in the

24:29

mission right I do I do this

24:32

and used to work in the payroll

24:34

to come make fun of us yeah

24:36

someone that used to work in the

24:38

payroll industry. I totally respect, I totally

24:41

respect the labor laws of all the

24:43

various states here in the US, but

24:45

I also respect the people that have

24:47

what my grandparents would say, gumption and

24:50

want to. So every now and then,

24:52

if it meant going beyond the 40

24:54

hours, because they were passionate about it,

24:56

I couldn't, I wouldn't stop them. You

24:59

know, I didn't force. Anybody that but

25:01

if they if they chose to just

25:03

as you said hey, that's that's great

25:05

character that this country was supposedly built

25:08

on Well, I feel

25:10

like we got like really

25:12

away from it. I'm finding

25:14

less of it. Sorry, you

25:16

got me pissed off right

25:19

now. I'm finding less of

25:21

it in the current young

25:23

generation, but that's just my

25:25

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27:04

am I remembering a certain

27:07

to be a part show, right? person whose

27:09

name will not mention going, show up

27:11

to work to work before 11 every

27:13

day. like, yeah. And like, in college, you know,

27:15

I you know, help. That started started

27:17

before noon. I thought that

27:19

was amazing. So I would work

27:21

would work at Griffith Observatory

27:24

until about midnight, get back

27:26

to UCLA dorms about one

27:28

and I had either I or

27:30

calculus rush in the morning.

27:32

That's my the morning. That's my walking upstairs, walking

27:34

up the hill both ways in the ways

27:36

in the morning, worse but

27:39

was when when you started

27:41

in television production. And

27:43

I don't think it's don't think it's

27:45

changed much. the The expectation is the

27:47

the production assistant, you're the new

27:49

guy, guy, you know, and we want

27:52

you here at in the the morning

27:54

with the coffee coffee and the snacks and all

27:56

that other other the the film the

27:58

the camera load so forth. forth. And by

28:00

the way, you get to open the stage

28:02

and unload it all yourself before the union

28:05

guys show up at six and start eating

28:07

donuts and unfolding their director's chairs to sit

28:09

down and take an early break before they

28:11

have to actually lift a finger at 11

28:14

in the morning. I mean, literally, sometimes the

28:16

teamsters, no offense teamsters, gotta have them, the

28:18

country runs on teamsters. But in this context,

28:21

the truck would show up, they dropped the

28:23

tailgate, and he'd set up a director's chair.

28:25

and take a nap until 6 o'clock or

28:27

8 o'clock when we packed it up and

28:30

he left. He didn't lift the finger to

28:32

unload or anything. And I thought, you know,

28:34

to a lot of my cohort, it was

28:36

like, wow, that guy's lucky, I want that

28:39

job. And I thought this is the most

28:41

boring thing I've ever seen. Just stay home.

28:43

Okay, I'm sorry. We're starting. I was thinking

28:46

about it because I was trying to figure

28:48

out what's everybody's first space memory. Yeah, I

28:50

saw I saw this on their run down

28:52

earlier and and that was how exciting for

28:55

you. Well, that must have been a big

28:57

moment for you. Rob pile coming in hot

28:59

everybody coming in real hot. All right, real

29:01

salty. No, I was thinking about it because

29:04

I was trying to figure out like what

29:06

it was because I remember when I got

29:08

into. Like Star Trek, I remember like a

29:11

lot of that stuff, like we've talked about

29:13

that in the past. But I think that

29:15

it was when, I might have been in

29:17

like third grade, this is the earliest I

29:20

can remember, because my mom was a teacher,

29:22

I'm not sure if I told everyone that

29:24

she's a child psychologist now. But she was

29:27

a little bit different teacher. No! She's the

29:29

paying me $5 for every test I would

29:31

take when she was studying to get that,

29:33

by the way. I was raking it in.

29:36

Wait, you were taking her test for her?

29:38

No, like to test, like when they diagnosed

29:40

kids, they gotta like test them or whatever.

29:42

So to to practice, she

29:45

she would that. Oh Oh boy,

29:47

I I bet she

29:49

had a a day with

29:52

you. with you. you know

29:54

what? She never told

29:56

us what we scored.

29:58

So I guess, what we

30:01

scored, so I was good. Hopefully

30:03

it but I remember

30:05

that she came home

30:07

and she said that

30:10

we were gonna make home

30:12

and she said that we were gonna make

30:14

rockets. And, had a friend who had

30:16

a a dirty who we went we

30:18

went out and launched them went out

30:20

were like s these rockets, but

30:22

they weren't they weren't like like, es,

30:24

these we we got paper towel they

30:26

and built them Right. out of like ourselves

30:29

like from from like a I guess like schematics guess

30:31

like schematics or something. what And

30:33

that's what I remember the first we're

30:35

like the first. that's gonna

30:37

do something that's about space, but we're gonna

30:39

do it ourselves. the And then we went

30:41

out to the farm because there's farms all

30:43

around and up and we up them and we launched them to

30:45

go we were able to go chase them

30:47

like you do, because that's what you do

30:50

with the Nesties you chase it. it. and capture them

30:52

and of course we them and of course we couldn't

30:54

fly them again because these were were they weren't

30:56

coated in anything you know how like the

30:58

like the the esse have like a coating on them

31:00

on them so our our our burn straight through the

31:02

sides of the paper towel tubes paper towel it

31:04

was still a lot of fun and i

31:07

think at least one of them fell on

31:09

a roof because you can't have a them

31:11

launch without you can't lost without something getting lost like one

31:13

i remember having a really great time a

31:15

really great time on that whole thing whole

31:17

thing and that that we were

31:19

rockets like they were going out of style. and then

31:22

we're then we're here! 50 years or 40

31:24

years later, you know what I'm know, so. Yeah,

31:26

Yeah, you're not that old yet.

31:28

that about you? yet. And how Was

31:30

it our first episode? it, was it our

31:33

first episode? No, not no, not

31:35

quite. It's actually two

31:37

things. And you all to want

31:39

y 'all to just consider context

31:41

of me being in the being

31:43

in the Black community small

31:45

town, South Carolina. back

31:47

in the 80s and 90s.

31:49

so so just. consider that. that.

31:52

first my first experience

31:54

with space that I

31:56

can remember was was 1981 82

31:58

somewhere in that area. And it

32:00

was Empire Strikes Back with Star

32:02

Wars. And what? What is space?

32:04

That's a spaceship? You know, and

32:07

that stuff blew my mind. Okay.

32:09

I am your father. You know,

32:11

just, I had no recollection of

32:13

anything beyond a blue sky. I

32:15

just didn't. And then the next

32:17

thing that hit a little bit

32:19

closer to their home was the

32:21

challenger. I think that was I

32:23

think I've been about 10 or

32:26

so at the time because January

32:28

of 86. Yeah, because McNair McNair

32:30

had Carolina ties. Oh, Ron McNair

32:32

on the right. And I can

32:34

remember when that happened. See again,

32:36

consider the context of where I

32:38

was from. We were watching Challenger.

32:40

Okay, and when that event happened,

32:42

I remember. initially not really filling

32:44

a thing because all I had

32:47

to refer to was Star Wars.

32:49

Stuff blows up in Star Wars

32:51

and people just sort of moves

32:53

on. You know, I didn't quite

32:55

understand the gravity of how big

32:57

and tragic that was at that

32:59

time. How were you then? I'm

33:01

thinking I was like 10? Yeah,

33:03

something like that. But I remember

33:05

watching it in class in school

33:08

was where everybody turned on the

33:10

television and... you know, we pulled

33:12

it up and I remember when

33:14

it happened, the classroom just went

33:16

quiet and I was confused, you

33:18

know, because everybody was so quiet,

33:20

but I didn't get the gravity

33:22

of it, you know, until a

33:24

little bit later in talking to

33:27

my teacher afterwards about it and

33:29

going home and speaking with my

33:31

mother and my grandmother and it's

33:33

like, oh, okay, these people, you

33:35

know, they gave their life right

33:37

there, you know. Yeah, that's my

33:39

two. Was that the one that

33:41

was supposed to have Big Bird

33:43

originally? It had, well, it was

33:45

gonna have, it had, it had,

33:48

it had the teacher on it.

33:50

It had a, yes, and it

33:52

had a teacher. It had a

33:54

teacher, but like, I thought I

33:56

heard something that originally, they were

33:58

thinking about having, like, a big

34:00

part of the educational content. Yeah.

34:02

I don't know, I could, maybe,

34:04

what's the lady's name? I remember

34:06

McNair, but I can't remember, it

34:09

was, when the footage came out

34:11

shortly thereafter. of the camera cutting

34:13

over to the parents of Kristen

34:15

McAuliffe, who's a civilian, right? She's

34:17

not a test pilot. You know,

34:19

she signed the waivers, but it's

34:21

not really the same thing. Right.

34:23

And her parents are staring at

34:25

the sky and the mothers has

34:28

tears streaming down her eyes because

34:30

I think she's getting it. The

34:32

dad's just got this kind of

34:34

dead look on his face and

34:36

it's like, what a horrible moment

34:38

to go there for this triumphal

34:40

joyous thing to see your daughter,

34:42

the teacher, go into space and

34:44

do and... You know, if anybody's

34:46

ever seen the IMAX film, the

34:49

dream is alive. That was done

34:51

a couple of years before Challenger

34:53

happened. You know, we were living

34:55

in this kind of fantasy zone

34:57

of, oh, the space shuttle, it's

34:59

a routine system, it's our space

35:01

truck up to orbit, and that

35:03

film and NASA's public relations in

35:05

general. made it, was trying to

35:07

make it seem very normal in

35:10

routine. They were planning at one

35:12

point of flying 54 times a

35:14

year, ha ha. They, I think,

35:16

average three. They once every two

35:18

weeks, they said, yeah, they were

35:20

just gonna hose it off, fuel

35:22

it up and go like Starship.

35:24

But it was a little head

35:26

of its time, it was really

35:29

complex, and have you ever actually

35:31

seen a shuttle in person? Have

35:33

not, sir. So if you get

35:35

a chance, they have one in

35:37

LA, and it used to be.

35:39

Flat so you'd walk on its

35:41

landing gear you'd walk underneath it

35:43

and there's just acres of heat

35:45

tiles over your head And you

35:47

really finally get the idea of

35:50

how incredibly massive these things are

35:52

They're now moving it into a

35:54

vertical configuration, which will still give

35:56

a sense of its size

35:58

But it's huge,

36:00

it's complicated, it's covered

36:02

in these little silica foam tiles that

36:04

if you flick them with your you hardened them

36:06

they crack. So the fact that

36:08

the thing worked at all So real

36:10

testament to, to worked at all is but real it

36:13

was incredibly dangerous. And that was

36:15

a sad day. All

36:17

right. I'm depressed. that was real weighty. day. All

36:19

right, I'm of episode. everybody. End of do we

36:21

have time to do we from you

36:23

before we go to break? you

36:25

before we go to so so like.

36:28

Star Wars on TV.

36:30

on TV. Also, so my dad's

36:32

Danish, or yeah, on my father's

36:34

side, they're Danish

36:36

Denmark On my father's

36:39

side, used Denmark, and my aunt

36:41

used to send LEGO sets.

36:43

had one of those like had one

36:45

of those kits. The blue ones, the

36:47

blue and the white ones, or blue

36:49

ones the blue and the white

36:51

ones or the I had all I had

36:53

a little I think a little

36:56

bit of both of was looking looking

36:58

at. a page over here. yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind

37:00

of looks of looks familiar, but definitely, I

37:02

think I had this kind of look, of look,

37:04

this look, this familiar, yeah. So, I got,

37:06

I got, I had one of those sets, the

37:08

one right had one of those sets the

37:10

one right above it, here, I got, I got like deathly

37:13

one right here, I got like deathly ill

37:15

with like some sort of like severe flu my

37:17

and I was out a week and my

37:19

parents got me this to like help me

37:21

get through it. my And my best friend

37:23

came over after I had spent like three

37:25

days building it it said, does it fly? And

37:27

threw it off the top of the off the

37:29

it shattered and I TV and it I had

37:31

thrown away. because I thrown away the directions cause that's

37:33

what you did back then and I could

37:35

never build it again. So, that's what you was good

37:37

stuff. That was good stuff. I had the one

37:39

above it again so the first one? Yeah, I think

37:41

I had that good stuff I had the one I

37:43

was a young man, they had

37:46

first but all we had were

37:48

a young and red bricks, but all we

37:50

had were plates. red bricks gray plates

37:52

and wheels was it. it They

37:54

didn't even have kits. They just

37:57

had like box of Lego. It's like okay.

37:59

Use use your imagination something oh what

38:01

do I do? Well my first memory with

38:03

the chisel yeah what's yours Rod? Ow my

38:05

first memory is and I don't know which

38:07

gemini mission it was but I remember standing

38:09

in the orchestra lounge at the orchestra lounge

38:11

at the music center in LA because my

38:13

father was a French horn player in the

38:15

Philharmonic nice so I used to go to

38:18

work with him I didn't really give a

38:20

hang about the music so much that came

38:22

later I just stay in the lounge and

38:24

play with my Legos or whatever and all

38:26

the musicians you know the different crowd then

38:28

than it is now. There's still nice people,

38:30

but back then they were mostly guys, mostly

38:32

war veterans, mostly, hey kid, come over here.

38:35

Here's a cigarette, what do you think? And

38:37

they were very nice to me. But I

38:39

was hearing on the PA system this crackly

38:41

noise and I said, dad, what's that? He

38:43

said, it's the Gemini space capsule. Actually, dad

38:45

didn't talk by Walter Cronkite, that was just

38:47

me. But it was I think Gemini, it

38:49

must have been Gemini tan or somewhere around

38:52

around there. And I thought, oh, that's kind

38:54

of cool. So I went home and would

38:56

have jumped on the internet had we had

38:58

one, but instead I went to the school

39:00

library and got the, I was looking for

39:02

any space book I could find in our

39:04

elementary school library, which at that point was

39:07

funded pretty well. And all they had was

39:09

like the big golden book of rockets and

39:11

everything looked like a silver banana from the

39:13

von Braun, ever dream of how we're, you

39:15

know, it was just awful. But finally an

39:17

issue of a weekly reader, which is long

39:19

since gone, I think. had an article about

39:21

the Gemini astronauts and so that's when I

39:24

got interested but my first really kind of

39:26

white hot memory was Apollo 8 so we

39:28

had we had all been it was like

39:30

today with with Artemis counting down the months

39:32

how many more months delay how many months

39:34

delay oh Apollo one fire oh that's a

39:36

tragedy but come on I want you to

39:38

hurry up because I want to see it

39:41

happened very selfish as a young man so

39:43

Apollo 8 goes out to loop the moon

39:45

and I knew enough to know that

39:47

was a big risk

39:49

they were taking and

39:51

much more than they

39:53

were telling the public

39:55

because I was, what, because

39:58

I was what 12 at that

40:00

point, 11. I was

40:02

11 at that point, I

40:04

thought and I thought,

40:06

you know, no they got

40:08

no lunar module. one engine

40:10

with two engine. on the back of that

40:12

thing on the back of that thing lunar

40:15

if they get into lunar orbit and can't

40:17

get it restarted there They're staying

40:19

there not good and that's not good.

40:21

And there's no to rescue There wasn't

40:23

a single single or anything, or a

40:25

separate rocket rocket stack So that that

40:27

mission I followed in

40:29

excruciating detail and The reading of Genesis

40:32

the reading of Genesis from a

40:34

I'm not a religious person nor

40:36

was I particularly then. then But

40:38

But there was something really magical

40:40

about the reading of that

40:42

kind of prose from orbit and a time

40:44

a time when nobody had

40:46

even gotten. had left Earth orbit before,

40:48

so so that That was That

40:50

was and from from that point on,

40:52

was hooked. hooked and much dance dismay

40:54

hopelessly an amber to the space

40:56

program. program. Bless your heart. And

40:59

then of course, power Apollo you

41:01

know. I mean, knowing I mean, knowing

41:03

that was happening. from there from there

41:05

on out, I announced to my

41:07

parents, I was not going to

41:09

school on to days. moonwalk days. was basically

41:11

it was basically a a cub, they were

41:13

like, like, whatever. whatever. And go off

41:15

to work. to work. I said, you got to school

41:18

did you go to school in

41:20

the day? No. Okay. a longer story there of

41:22

a longer story there of, uh,

41:24

It became a school that became a

41:26

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41:28

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toys! My bells fell off. I guess

43:08

that's better than if it was spelled

43:10

differently. Let's talk about space toys. So

43:12

I'll start this time. Over there, if

43:14

you're watching the video stream, there's a

43:17

little green robot, not the silver space

43:19

girl, but the green robot. That's big

43:21

Lou, the moon robot by the Marx

43:23

toy company. $9.95 and 95 cents in

43:26

1965. He is made a very cheap.

43:28

Was that like a hundred bucks in

43:30

today's? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Thanks dad. Well,

43:33

thanks dad. I think you're up there.

43:35

Yeah, it was it was a fair

43:37

amount of money came in a five

43:39

foot high box. It was a remarkable

43:42

thing for a kid just because. of

43:44

its scale. So he had blinking lights

43:46

in his eyes, a whistle in his

43:48

forehead, I never understood that, a gun

43:51

sight in his forehead, where a man's

43:53

breasts would be, he had two little

43:55

dark guns, which I found very Austin

43:57

Powers of him. Of course, there was

44:00

no Austin Powers then. He had a,

44:02

if you can see, if you watch

44:04

the video, his arm is up on

44:06

the astronaut shoulder. That's a grabbing claw.

44:09

It has a little wire in a

44:11

spring. He had a bell with a

44:13

Morse code table above it, you know,

44:15

hole in his back. He had a

44:18

hole through his midsection with a squirt

44:20

gun and two rubber dart launchers, missile

44:22

launchers on his feet. There was no

44:25

motor. Oh and a small crank in

44:27

the back of his head with a

44:29

tiny phonograph record, I kid you not,

44:31

that you would crank it would go,

44:34

boy, my name is Big Lou. I'm

44:36

yours to come in. That was it.

44:38

So I played with that thing to

44:40

death and of course being Styrene, you

44:43

know, stuff broke within the first couple

44:45

of months. Oh, that's broke down fixing.

44:47

But it was a cool space toy

44:49

and probably up there with, what was

44:52

the other one. I had a space,

44:54

a moon truck. Now mind you, when

44:56

I was a little boy, they were

44:58

just kind of inventing plastic. We had

45:01

just come out of the bake light

45:03

days, which was this baked plastic-like thing

45:05

that was so brittle, if you looked

45:07

at it crooked, it snapped in half.

45:10

So early plastic toys were not particularly

45:12

ambitious, and if they had something electrical

45:14

in them. It was pretty astonishing. And

45:16

of course being a kid, it's like,

45:19

change the batteries, what? So every toy

45:21

you had within a year was ruined

45:23

because it had battery leakage in it

45:26

and you'd pick it up and, oh

45:28

mommy my eyes burned because you got

45:30

battery acid on your face. But those

45:32

were my two memories and then I

45:35

got into rockets and all that stuff

45:37

later. Tarak, I'm sure you have a.

45:39

during memory for space toys. Huh? Were

45:41

those those pictures he sent? Oh no,

45:44

I'm sorry, I forgot, yes. But the

45:46

big one, boy, talk about getting swept

45:48

up at the show. But the big

45:50

one is Major Matt Mason, but tells

45:53

man in space. So this is a

45:55

little, one of the first action figures

45:57

ever, actually, made out of rubber. And

45:59

it's an astronaut that was probably about

46:02

five inches tall, had bendy joints, the

46:04

arms and legs were just wire. So

46:06

of course they broke within six months

46:08

had a little plastic helmet with a

46:11

vis that flipped up and down then

46:13

all these accessories So here's look at

46:15

this. Here's the four astronauts Matt Mason's

46:18

on the left Jeff Long is on

46:20

the right. He was this is Mattel

46:22

creating an African-American astronaut in 1968 which

46:24

they were ahead of NASA. Yeah, like

46:27

way ahead of NASA. And here's Calisto.

46:29

When they weren't selling enough of the

46:31

astronaut dolls by themselves, they got into

46:33

aliens and it got stupid. And there's

46:36

another alien there, if you can switch,

46:38

Anthony. Captain Laser. So this is interesting,

46:40

completely out of scale with the others,

46:42

hard plastic, where they were soft plastic.

46:45

Turns out I later found. It was

46:47

some Japanese toy line that went out

46:49

of business that Mattel bought and said,

46:51

hey, cynically, hey, we can just sell

46:54

this, those little idiots with our Matt

46:56

Mason stuff. But for the first couple

46:58

of years, Matt Mason was kind of

47:00

following the NASA moon prescription. Here he

47:03

is on his moon sled. Wow. You

47:05

know, if you were into the hard

47:07

NASA stuff, it's like, yeah, this is

47:10

pretty close. They had a space station,

47:12

which you're looking at now. They had

47:14

a moon crawler. That's neat. But they

47:16

got in a day. But they got

47:19

in a day. But like on space.

47:21

They got into aliens and tentacles and

47:23

all that kind of stuff, and it

47:25

kind of lost its way. So that

47:28

doll right there, if you were to

47:30

find it today, in very good condition,

47:32

it would cost you about 600 bucks.

47:34

Anthony, thank you for reminding me of

47:37

the cues I gave you. Here's a

47:39

comm- Universal for my childhood. I meet

47:41

him. Major Matt Mason, Mattels Man in

47:43

space. Look at his lights up! Braveest

47:46

astronaut yet. He lives on the moon.

47:48

We may all be there soon. And

47:50

he gets around with a jet. Until

47:52

Sergeant Storm in his red uniform, Major

47:55

Matt worked all alone. Now together, they

47:57

face the dangers of space and seek

47:59

to learn the unknown. The machines that

48:02

they drive seem almost alive as they

48:04

transport the adventurous pair. The new Astrotrack

48:06

whips through the black and fireboat even

48:08

goes where they meet Captain Laser his

48:11

space gear up plays with energy stored

48:13

from the star. That out of focus.

48:15

It's true. But a friendly one who

48:17

spent his boyhood on Mars. He's so

48:20

huge. Exciting place. The world of space

48:22

as all the astronauts know. This world

48:24

is swell. It's made by Mattel. With

48:26

it. How far can you go? Oh.

48:29

I can see why Little Rod would

48:31

like that. So in that era, many

48:33

commercials are shot in 16mm. They look

48:35

like it. That was all handheld as

48:38

you can see. The ads were horrible.

48:40

And the reason you see the kid

48:42

is because I think only just a

48:44

couple years before the FTC had passed

48:47

a law saying Look, you can't show

48:49

these toys doing stuff that they can't

48:51

really do. Because before that, toy ads,

48:54

you know, they were taking off flying

48:56

through the air and all this stuff.

48:58

And the FTC Federal Trade Commission said,

49:00

yeah, they don't do that. You got

49:03

to show the kid holding with the

49:05

string. So suddenly ads got very lame.

49:07

But to compare the production value of

49:09

that to today, it's like Ant's kid

49:12

could do that without even waking up

49:14

from his slumbers, you know. Even when

49:16

I saw commercials back then, you know,

49:18

it wasn't in the 60s, but just

49:21

in the 80s, seeing similar style commercials,

49:23

I look at it and I'm like,

49:25

ooh, that kid's rich. Did you see

49:27

the set? And it's like, this is

49:30

their room and. Like, dang, that

49:32

that loaded. Someone on on

49:34

the Discord mentioned that

49:36

in the background,

49:39

you see the silhouettes

49:41

of all the

49:43

parents having a party

49:45

in the all the parents

49:48

having a party in the background.

49:50

suckers aren't in this

49:52

room. suckers right, who

49:55

wants to go

49:57

next? who Thank you,

49:59

Anthony, for reminding me

50:01

of the very

50:04

cues I gave you

50:06

and forgot about. me

50:08

of the very cues I me

50:10

of like my

50:13

first big space toy

50:15

that I had

50:17

for like big minute that

50:19

I had for like a I

50:22

was a little

50:24

kid, because my my... My

50:26

for Christmas, bought

50:28

me bought me or I think

50:31

it was my parents. think I you know,

50:33

you want to keep the big one

50:35

from you, not from Santa. that, you know, you

50:37

I tell you keep the big one I'm sorry,

50:39

yeah. not from Santa. Can I tell

50:41

you something there, Mr.

50:43

usually Oh, sorry? Yeah. From Santa, from Santa, from parents?

50:45

are you talking about? Don't,

50:47

don't ruin it. Don't ruin

50:49

it for no Santa's That Santa

50:52

Tarak, Santa was That was your

50:54

weird, Uncle Harry. Harry. No, I don't,

50:56

and and Anthony, I forgot

50:58

to put this in the in

51:00

but it was the but was,

51:02

it was the Transformers Omega the And

51:04

kids out there that

51:06

you might you might you

51:08

said that w says

51:10

that you destroyed his

51:13

childhood and with that

51:15

with that his childhood aunt with that,

51:17

with that Santa Comet. supreme is

51:19

is a space he is

51:21

a rocket a giant

51:23

rocket rocket from the planet

51:25

Cypertron. that ends up all

51:28

of the Autobots of the Earth, these know,

51:30

back to Earth. He's like their

51:32

big space rocket. And And there's a

51:34

train. train that would drive

51:36

around Omega Supreme. And then the main

51:38

then the the main robot would be

51:40

in the center. And then if you you

51:42

wanted to convert him from the giant

51:44

rocket set into a robot, you would

51:46

transform them all and it would be

51:48

amazing, right? And And I was so excited

51:50

because all I wanted was was Omega First

51:52

of all, his name all, his name, You

51:54

got a picture of him. of him. His His

51:56

name. It looks like a roadkill Oh

51:58

gosh, she's amazing. Look how awesome

52:01

that is a cartoon character. You

52:03

just missed my whole thing about

52:05

how he was a Transformers from

52:07

the planet cybertrot. No, it's taking

52:09

us on that. So, you know,

52:11

Watar gets excited. I just hear

52:13

this. There it is. There it

52:16

is. Look, look, look at this,

52:18

this picture. If you have, look

52:20

at it. Right? Isn't that spectacular.

52:22

This is, it's this giant rocket.

52:24

with its own mission control base

52:26

and then this track around the

52:28

rocket that a little kind of

52:30

tank drives around and it was

52:33

motorized and when we bought it

52:35

when I opened it up like

52:37

it wouldn't go like the track

52:39

the little car was broken. Okay

52:41

excuse me how tall is that

52:43

thing? Oh, I don't know, like,

52:45

it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's,

52:48

it looks huge here, but it's

52:50

like, maybe two feet tall, something

52:52

like that. So I just want

52:54

to point out, my toy is

52:56

bigger than yours, okay, go ahead,

52:58

oh, see, we can't get through

53:00

an episode, you know, but I

53:03

just, I thought that this was

53:05

like the most sci-fi thing I

53:07

had ever seen, and it was

53:09

just awesome, and you had a

53:11

little figure that would go in

53:13

the, the, the, the, the, Tank

53:15

that drove around so it transforms

53:18

into the base it transforms into

53:20

the base. Yeah, it's the base

53:22

and then it transforms into the

53:24

giant the giant robot so I

53:26

mean, it's absolutely. Yeah, it was

53:28

it was it was great and

53:30

I and because the tank didn't

53:33

go we took it back to

53:35

exchange it for another one. And

53:37

unfortunately they didn't have any. They

53:39

didn't have anything at all to

53:41

be able and they weren't going

53:43

to get more. So we ended

53:45

up bringing home the GI Joe

53:48

headquarters base and then I played

53:50

with that like almost every day

53:52

for like the next 10 years.

53:54

So until I got into high

53:56

school. So this was this was

53:58

my big space toy that got

54:00

away I should say. uh... for

54:03

for me you know what i'm

54:05

a grown-up person now right i

54:07

could and i could buy a

54:09

grown-up person now but you're still

54:11

shedding crocodile tears over this and

54:13

I'm suspecting your first like toy

54:15

of greatness was like a leather

54:18

football or something, right? Probably not

54:20

a space toy. No, not even

54:22

close. Not even close. Um, love

54:24

a coal. Actually, I believe it

54:26

was just a bicycle of being

54:28

that bicycle that I had wanted.

54:30

Whoa. Yeah, that's a pretty good

54:33

gift. Yeah, that was because I

54:35

went outside. It hurts right here.

54:37

Right? It hurts. We got, we

54:39

got, back in my day, we

54:41

got basically locked out of the

54:43

house and ate the morning, it's

54:45

like, don't come back to dark.

54:47

I did. Well, okay. I'm just

54:50

saying, this pasty complexion spent a

54:52

lot of time out in the

54:54

sun earning it in cancer honestly.

54:56

Okay, sorry, go ahead. No, you

54:58

spent time outside chasing around bags

55:00

of air because that's what you

55:02

do. No, no, no, no, no.

55:05

I think that the only space

55:07

related thing that I can remember

55:09

getting like early was Transformers Skywarp.

55:11

A toy. Skyborg? Skywarp. Skywarp. Skywarp.

55:13

Oh, of course. The southern draw

55:15

coming out there. But the one

55:17

thing I do remember about it

55:20

was was two things. I didn't

55:22

know what the heck of Transformers

55:24

was and but I was glad

55:26

to have it. turning it into

55:28

a robot from a, I think

55:30

it was like a Tomcat jet.

55:32

Was it a Tomcat jet? Yeah,

55:35

I think so. Yeah. Turned into

55:37

a Tomcat jet and then going

55:39

out and playing with it with

55:41

the other kids in the apartment

55:43

complex and whatnot and found out

55:45

another kid had one and his

55:47

was called Thundercracker. And I was

55:50

jealous. That's like the memory that

55:52

I have around that. I was

55:54

like, oh, Thundercracker sounds way cooler.

55:56

It was the exact same thing,

55:58

just a different color. and a

56:00

whole much much cooler We can

56:02

call you anything you want. you

56:05

want. Those were like, those were

56:07

Skywarp, Thundercracker, and Starstream. Those were

56:09

like the main, Decepticon planes. Okay.

56:12

Try to keep

56:14

your inner geek

56:16

under wraps. under wraps. And

56:19

then it's a minute

56:21

a minute, cuz. It's called. Yeah,

56:23

it's not of the

56:26

head. this week Anthony,

56:28

you're up, man.

56:30

little ahead. Okay, did have

56:32

like those up, man. So I did kits

56:34

that we launched a few

56:36

times, smelled like eggs, right? kits

56:39

that we launched of that,

56:41

it smells like napalm

56:43

in the morning. eggs, right? Uh-huh.

56:45

Speaking of that. a A video

56:48

game that was playing on

56:50

the on a kid called

56:52

as a Velocity. an escape velocity. And

56:54

it was. it was It was

56:56

an an open -ended. I don't know

56:58

how to describe it, but

57:01

it's I don't know how

57:03

to describe it, but it's basically either,

57:05

either, do know, do space combat or or

57:07

like merchant stuff, stuff, like you could buy,

57:09

you know, know, on one one

57:11

you know, take it to another

57:13

planet know, take it to another planet.

57:16

These These graphics look like they're from

57:19

from How old are you old are

57:21

you, Andy? said 45? When he was

57:23

a kid on iMac. iMac, remember when

57:25

most amazing like came out? What

57:28

color was your iMac? that

57:30

came out? we had the color

57:32

was your iMac? Well, we had

57:34

the original, um, yeah. bondi, blue.

57:36

The must have been blue, yeah. Yeah.

57:38

So like you could also have been

57:40

like mid 90s. know, nerdy, you

57:42

could like. like, like, if your

57:44

own sprites and like, you know, you know, Just

57:46

modify the game and stuff. But it was really

57:49

cool. You could buy upgrades for

57:51

your ship, buy know, like some. your

57:53

ship, you know, like some perpetual launchers you could

57:55

say it was definitely inspired by,

57:57

uh, Star Trek.

57:59

Trek. It's very privateer like that good

58:01

privateer where you could do all that

58:03

stuff too. So yeah, that's awesome. It

58:05

was a lot of fun. But I

58:07

had forgotten until somebody mentioned Estes that

58:10

I also got an Estes model rocket

58:12

when I was about eight, the Alpha,

58:14

which was I think the only one

58:16

they sold at the time. Yeah. And

58:18

it was before they had the plastic

58:20

fins all, so basically gave you a

58:22

cardboard tube, a sheet of balls of

58:24

wood, and a wooden nose cone. And

58:26

you had to go out and buy

58:28

paint and glue. And I spent probably

58:30

a month sanding the fins to a

58:32

perfect bevel and sanding the nose cone

58:34

and painting it, priming it and painting

58:36

it again and all this junk. And

58:39

I went, Dad, can we go fly

58:41

the rocket? They don't do that around

58:43

here. It's like, well, why don't you

58:45

buy it for me? So it sat

58:47

on the shelf for the next 15

58:49

years. And then finally when I was

58:51

an adult, more or less, working in

58:53

production, we started going down to Mile

58:55

Square Park, because had dad bothered to

58:57

check, no offense dad, no offense dad.

58:59

But you could go down Orange County

59:01

and fly anything you wanted. And the

59:03

weird thing was Mile Square Park, which,

59:05

hey, guess what, it's a Milelani Jacksony

59:07

Jackson, is filled with weeds. So we

59:10

go down there in the middle of

59:12

the middle of the middle of summer.

59:14

and you're looking at this thing that

59:16

spits fire out of its back end

59:18

to get in the sky and you're

59:20

looking at these acres of dry weeds

59:22

and I'm thinking this is not a

59:24

good mix and sure enough second or

59:26

third launch and at this point I

59:28

graduated to just buying massive boxes of

59:30

rocket parts and just throwing stuff together.

59:32

We flew salad colanders, we flew turkey

59:34

drumsticks, we flew sky rocket barbie strapped

59:36

to a rocket because following instructions isn't

59:39

particularly fun. But making stuff up is,

59:41

especially if you don't know whether it's

59:43

going to fly horizontally or vertically or

59:45

what, but of course the third or

59:47

fourth launch a fire started so we

59:49

had to go out and trump stamp

59:51

it out with our feet. But very

59:53

fond memories of my delayed emergence as

59:55

a rocketeer. Can I do a show

59:57

and tell or do we have to

59:59

break? I have a have a quick

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go places. All right, all right. All right. All

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right. I want to show got because I got this were

1:01:55

talking about S about rockets and you can see I don't know

1:01:57

if you can see behind me see behind me, but

1:02:00

I have my SLS rocket right here. My

1:02:02

old, this is not Estes, but this

1:02:04

is like the first SpaceX version of

1:02:06

the model rocket that they put out.

1:02:08

And then way off in the corner,

1:02:11

you're going to see the big mess.

1:02:13

I think that everyone probably knows about

1:02:15

it already. But way off in the

1:02:17

corner is, can I do it? Oh,

1:02:19

let's see if I can do it

1:02:21

right there. That big black box is

1:02:24

the new. space rocket. I haven't launched

1:02:26

it yet because I'm afraid I might

1:02:28

break it. But in this box, you

1:02:30

can see it says it's from Estes,

1:02:32

I opened it from the bottom. And

1:02:34

I've actually not looked at it yet,

1:02:37

but I'm really excited about this one

1:02:39

too. Because like Rod was saying, there

1:02:41

used to be a space shuttle. Here

1:02:43

comes the unboxing. There it is. There

1:02:45

used to be a space shuttle where

1:02:48

you could launch a NASA space shuttle

1:02:50

and here it is. Right there. Wow.

1:02:52

Okay. All right. Now, wait a minute.

1:02:54

This is cheating. That's already built. I

1:02:56

know. I know. That's the thing is

1:02:58

that now they come already made, which

1:03:01

it kind of takes some effort. But

1:03:03

what they do, Rod, is that they

1:03:05

release this version here. for like us

1:03:07

that want to just grab it launch

1:03:09

it and then the shuttle will come

1:03:12

off and fly back it's made out

1:03:14

of foam it looks like so it'll

1:03:16

glide back to earth and then like

1:03:18

the the nose cone pops off from

1:03:20

the the the external tank right there

1:03:22

and that's where the parachute's gonna come

1:03:25

out and this is for what this

1:03:27

is for a hundred 83 meter 600

1:03:29

feet is what it'll it'll fly and

1:03:31

it's got a little nice diagram on

1:03:33

the back now what they also make

1:03:35

they also make a They also make

1:03:38

like buildable ones. It says C5 to

1:03:40

C6 engines. Rod. So, wow, 600 feet

1:03:42

off of that. Yeah, yeah. And so,

1:03:44

so like the, the, the, the, the

1:03:46

reason that I had this, I was

1:03:49

saving it because I haven't launched it.

1:03:51

We usually try to wait until the

1:03:53

baseball season is over to go to

1:03:55

the school diamonds to long. from but

1:03:57

I haven't I haven't had a chance

1:03:59

for this one yet. I have a

1:04:02

little league story. Is that what it

1:04:04

is? Say it again Anne? Because you

1:04:06

didn't want all the baseball fans laughing

1:04:08

at you? Oh no no also the

1:04:10

last time that we went I took

1:04:12

my Blue Origin rocket which also comes

1:04:15

they make two versions of that too

1:04:17

they make the the hard plastic one

1:04:19

and they make like a build-it-it-your-own set

1:04:21

and I had the the pre-built one

1:04:23

and I was using under-powered engines for

1:04:26

it for it. and it was it

1:04:28

didn't go high enough so it augured

1:04:30

back in where all the kids were

1:04:32

playing soccer and when i realized that

1:04:34

the parachute wasn't gonna come out i

1:04:36

just started shouting get out the way

1:04:39

get out of the way and then

1:04:41

pow right in the field and then

1:04:43

of course it pops back and but

1:04:45

it survived it's really hardy rocket that

1:04:47

that version is really good so you

1:04:50

you mentioned the one that you just

1:04:52

showed was pre-built but have they done

1:04:54

some market research and say you know

1:04:56

what there's no sense in us having

1:04:58

it all just pieces where the person

1:05:00

has to put it together themselves? Or

1:05:03

well, what's the reason? That seems like

1:05:05

that. They build them for two different

1:05:07

audiences. And so for Blue Origin in

1:05:09

particular, they released two different versions. So

1:05:11

there's like a build it yourself version

1:05:13

that's a little bit more expensive. And

1:05:16

then there's like the kit one itself.

1:05:18

And so they build it so that

1:05:20

people that maybe don't have. the patients

1:05:22

or if they have like kids who

1:05:24

just want to go out and launch

1:05:27

ready, they make it so that they

1:05:29

can just grab and go. The SLS

1:05:31

is like that too. The one drawback

1:05:33

from the SLS rocket that I have

1:05:35

because it's a very beautiful model is

1:05:37

that you don't build anything yourself. It's

1:05:40

all pre-made. You put some stickers on?

1:05:42

I think that's about it. So that's

1:05:44

kind of interesting. I wonder what Ant

1:05:46

brought up if there was some market

1:05:48

research and not just with model rockets,

1:05:50

but across the toy industry that says...

1:05:53

Hey kids don't like to do mechanical

1:05:55

hand-eye stuff anymore. They want to play

1:05:57

games. Or, but like for the Saturn

1:05:59

5, for example, I think you can

1:06:01

buy two different ones, because I also

1:06:04

have a pre-built satellite. Yeah, but you

1:06:06

know who's building, who's building those Saturn

1:06:08

5s. We see it online all the

1:06:10

time at places like Space Hipsters. They're

1:06:12

guys my age. Yeah. They're not kids.

1:06:14

No. And they're sure not quiet. My,

1:06:17

what are my close friends. Wait, Anthony's

1:06:19

got something. I was just saying like,

1:06:21

like, there wasn't a whole lot of

1:06:23

building, so like, like, like, like, like,

1:06:25

like, like, like, like, like, like, get

1:06:28

it ready it's like you're just like

1:06:30

kind of gluing the top on and

1:06:32

the fins it's like oh okay so

1:06:34

it's there's not a whole lot to

1:06:36

them right yeah well for the ones

1:06:38

that you build it really depends because

1:06:41

they have different skill levels yeah if

1:06:43

you so there is build you can

1:06:45

you can get into stuff that's like

1:06:47

level 10 where you've got I mean

1:06:49

I built a glider once that I

1:06:51

just designed in my own head which

1:06:54

is never a good place to spend

1:06:56

time it's probably five feet tall with

1:06:58

about a four-foot wingspan And I bought

1:07:00

like a foam model of a 747,

1:07:02

just cut the Dickens out of it

1:07:05

and a big shipping tube for the

1:07:07

rocket. And I had the wings were

1:07:09

on wooden dowel hinges with enormous rubber

1:07:11

bands going up to the front and

1:07:13

a rubber band holding together below. So

1:07:15

when the parachute charge fired, it burned

1:07:18

through that rubber band, the wings were

1:07:20

supposed to flip forward and it would

1:07:22

glide back. And it kind of did

1:07:24

for a second before it. Went vertical

1:07:26

in August in but you know, that's

1:07:29

the thing I don't expect these suckers

1:07:31

to fly more than once and I

1:07:33

did I did have one that was

1:07:35

a masterful design if I do say

1:07:37

so myself called the back rock So

1:07:39

it was about five feet tall about

1:07:42

three and a half inches diameter so

1:07:44

it had a main tube about a

1:07:46

foot tall which held the engines that

1:07:48

used three D engines I think then

1:07:50

two wooden struts going up to another

1:07:52

tube section at the top with a

1:07:55

very large nose cone and I had

1:07:57

a five foot diameter parachute that I

1:07:59

had taken marking pens that I'm giving

1:08:01

up on this thing. So I made

1:08:03

a five foot Batman signal like the

1:08:06

search light thing. And I have to

1:08:08

say when that thing went up and

1:08:10

deployed, it worked perfectly and the whole

1:08:12

rocket range stopped. Everybody went, whoa, and

1:08:14

they started clapping. It was my finest

1:08:16

moment other than being with you guys.

1:08:19

Now, have we heard about Anthony of

1:08:21

his toys? Space toys? Yeah, well, I

1:08:23

mentioned Legos earlier than I did the

1:08:25

video game. So that's it. Okay, that's

1:08:27

good. That works. Tark, you were about

1:08:29

telling her the story and I stopped.

1:08:32

No, I was just gonna say that

1:08:34

because I actually spent a lot of

1:08:36

high school building model rockets and not

1:08:38

launching them because I didn't have anyone

1:08:40

to go launch to them with and

1:08:43

also my launcher broke. So I would

1:08:45

just build them and aunt like some

1:08:47

of them like they and Anthony. Some

1:08:49

of them were really difficult, like there's

1:08:51

like a starfighter one where all the

1:08:53

pieces are super intricate. And then what

1:08:56

we didn't talk about is there, these

1:08:58

these prepaid ones, in the back end

1:09:00

of them, they have like a slot

1:09:02

where you just put the motor in

1:09:04

and you screw like a holder to

1:09:07

hold it in place. And on those

1:09:09

ones that are really detailed, you actually

1:09:11

have to build that holder yourself and

1:09:13

hope that you assembled it correctly so

1:09:15

that the motor... will stay inside that

1:09:17

and the glue will hold it in

1:09:20

the in the in the in the

1:09:22

tube enough that it will take the

1:09:24

whole rocket off and not just like

1:09:26

launch straight out because that has happened

1:09:28

to me before where I forgot to

1:09:30

glue it in and then it just

1:09:33

takes off you know I had a

1:09:35

friend of mine who bought the scaled

1:09:37

mercury which I also have in the

1:09:39

basement I haven't built it yet but

1:09:41

the the mercury capsule and it's quite

1:09:44

large and it's very intricate and not

1:09:46

only do you have to build it

1:09:48

like I'm just saying to all the

1:09:50

specifications make all the specifications make sure

1:09:52

that the things are mounted not just

1:09:54

straight but also in the right configuration

1:09:57

so it doesn't spin or twirl but

1:09:59

then you have to paint it so

1:10:01

that it looks accurate because it's all

1:10:03

like unpainted and unfinished so you want

1:10:05

it to look pretty and I just

1:10:08

found out today from Zyla Foxlin the

1:10:10

YouTubeer slash She does high altitude rockets.

1:10:12

She's the one that basically launched a

1:10:14

Christmas tree on a suborbital rocket. She's

1:10:16

launched like a giant pumpkin people and

1:10:18

whatnot. And she just has created what

1:10:21

is in effect an Estes kit for

1:10:23

high altitude. rocketry so that you can

1:10:25

buy a kit for $250 and design

1:10:27

and build your own high-powered rocket and

1:10:29

then try to go get certified for

1:10:31

that. I'm very excited about that. So

1:10:34

I just want to point out Tark

1:10:36

is constantly grinding on me about time

1:10:38

and so forth but when he gets

1:10:40

talking at 65 minutes. I'm sorry. I'm

1:10:42

going to close the toy chapter by

1:10:45

just saying one thing we didn't and

1:10:47

we were adults. We weren't supposed to

1:10:49

be playing with toys at this point,

1:10:51

but that's never stopped me. Friend Gary

1:10:53

Hudson, who I met when I was

1:10:55

in TV and I worked for him

1:10:58

over at Star Trek, so he was

1:11:00

a very clever visual effects guy. When

1:11:02

we were launching these rockets, I built

1:11:04

this physical launch platform that had flame

1:11:06

deflectors and launch towers and all kinds

1:11:08

of, you know, blinky lights and stuff,

1:11:11

just for fun. He used his radio

1:11:13

shack, I think it was a trash

1:11:15

80 computer. and designed a launch sequencer.

1:11:17

So it would automatically launch the rocket.

1:11:19

So it had a, you know, digital

1:11:22

countdown thing. And then, no, sorry about

1:11:24

that. And then, it would, you know,

1:11:26

close a relay, push off the rocket

1:11:28

would go. But he had, so he

1:11:30

had like three different voices and all

1:11:32

the sudden stuff that we thought was

1:11:35

very clever. But then he added a

1:11:37

randomizer. So, which is of course what

1:11:39

we always used. So you'd press the

1:11:41

button to go. Ten, nine, nine, three.

1:11:43

five, four, seven, fire! And off it

1:11:46

would go. And that was just too

1:11:48

much fun. And the dads around us

1:11:50

didn't seem to approve too much. You

1:11:52

guys are irresponsible. Oh, we did fly

1:11:54

one time out at Hansen Dam, which

1:11:56

is another legitimate rock. range we're flying

1:11:59

out of there and probably an eighth

1:12:01

of a mile away from us of

1:12:03

these guys flying their Parsi airplanes and

1:12:05

I don't know if you've ever been

1:12:07

around them but they get very serious

1:12:09

so they're wearing jumpsuits with patches and

1:12:12

they've got ranks and they've got ranks

1:12:14

and they have a commander and a

1:12:16

lieutenant commander and all this stuff these

1:12:18

are grown men you know no yuck

1:12:20

on man come on If you're selling

1:12:23

insurance and you want to get it,

1:12:25

sorry I don't mean to offend anybody,

1:12:27

but these guys are ridiculous. So one

1:12:29

of the trim ramrod straight guys comes

1:12:31

striding over like a robot and he

1:12:33

says, hey, hey. I said, what? He

1:12:36

said, are you the rocket guys? And

1:12:38

I said, yeah, you're endangering our aircraft.

1:12:40

I said, what are you talking about?

1:12:42

We're launching over this way. Well, you

1:12:44

know, we have free range to fly

1:12:47

where we want and your rockets are

1:12:49

like missiles. And of course, the second

1:12:51

he says that me being me, I'm

1:12:53

like, oh, that's a good idea. So

1:12:55

after that, we started aiming for them.

1:12:57

Yeah. Now they didn't have guidance systems,

1:13:00

but you could still kind of sort

1:13:02

of lean them over that direction. And

1:13:04

if you were fortunate, you might have

1:13:06

a midair collision. And you know, their

1:13:08

little toy planes cost like up to

1:13:10

$5,000 because they're fan jets and all

1:13:13

this kind of stuff. So I get

1:13:15

that they were a little irked at

1:13:17

my $3 dollar scratch built. scratch built.

1:13:19

death missile but you know move move

1:13:21

your set up don't mean yeah that

1:13:24

I would aim that them too because

1:13:26

they're being a little anal you know

1:13:28

it's like come on these are these

1:13:30

are our hobbies and how old are

1:13:32

you Brad how old are you when

1:13:34

this is going on you 28 28

1:13:37

all right well you expect me to

1:13:39

be grown up even now I'm just

1:13:41

saying break what was the snap tight

1:13:43

space shuttle Oh yeah, yeah, we didn't

1:13:45

talk about that. I had a whole

1:13:47

list of things. The Snapchat was one

1:13:50

of the first models I ever built,

1:13:52

but I wasn't allowed, I think I've

1:13:54

told you all this before, I was

1:13:56

not allowed to use models that required

1:13:58

glue. Yeah, what was with your mother?

1:14:01

And she just knew you were gonna

1:14:03

go your nostrils with a glue and

1:14:05

start sniffing. One of my favorite bottles

1:14:07

I ever had, we were at pick

1:14:09

and save and it was $20 in

1:14:11

like the 80s, early 80s. Because when

1:14:14

I'm thinking quality toys, I got a

1:14:16

pick and save. Well, hey, all right.

1:14:18

All right, I don't judge anyone, I

1:14:20

mean, that's what we did. Okay, we

1:14:22

went to pick and save to shop.

1:14:25

And they had one, one paper tab

1:14:27

and slot. space shuttle and shuttle carrier

1:14:29

aircraft and it was like four feet

1:14:31

long it was huge this thing and

1:14:33

I loved it I wanted to glue

1:14:35

it together so that I could hang

1:14:38

it up above and my mom said

1:14:40

no I wasn't allowed to use the

1:14:42

glue so I I could use a

1:14:44

celebrating licking all the pieces I used

1:14:46

I use cellophane tape and I taped

1:14:48

it together and then I hung it

1:14:51

up and it hung up on the

1:14:53

ceiling for years until we moved and

1:14:55

then you know Oh, here's one of

1:14:57

those stories of heartbreak. No, I turned

1:14:59

throughout my cardboard toy. It was awful.

1:15:02

I will, it's a good lesson that

1:15:04

if you're going to move house, move

1:15:06

the stuff you like yourself is all

1:15:08

I'm going to say. Because when I

1:15:10

started asking about them and thought later

1:15:12

on, it was just like, I don't

1:15:15

know where that stuff went. Obviously it

1:15:17

got thrown out. You know, so now

1:15:19

I know. I guess they expected you

1:15:21

to outgrow it. about making models and

1:15:23

again as I pointed out my parents

1:15:25

kind of had a general idea that

1:15:28

I was alive and existed somewhere but

1:15:30

it kind of ended there. So of

1:15:32

course we had testers airplane glue and

1:15:34

of course it was the incredible incredibly

1:15:36

toxic stuff and you're working a little

1:15:39

closed room and it's three inches from

1:15:41

your face and thinking oh this model

1:15:43

looks pretty good and you've got one

1:15:45

wing in the side. because you're seeing

1:15:47

green elephants, you know? Well, I will

1:15:49

tell you. It's like, why did nobody

1:15:52

think that was a bad idea to

1:15:54

be inhaling granol sulfates or whatever they

1:15:56

were? I will tell you that I

1:15:58

got I got a a a model

1:16:00

of the Star Trek 6 NCC 1

1:16:03

701 a space shuttle which is the

1:16:05

best one that they've ever built or

1:16:07

Star Trek 5 it's the best one

1:16:09

they've ever made but the galley that's

1:16:11

what they ever made so Ravel model

1:16:13

of the Starship Enterprise. Okay, because I

1:16:16

thought you were gonna you're gonna try

1:16:18

and bend me too. It was the

1:16:20

best enterprise of the best movie. No,

1:16:22

no, this was great, but but I

1:16:24

and by then I had just decided,

1:16:26

you know, I was allowed to use

1:16:29

contact cement and I got it half

1:16:31

built, half built, and then the cell

1:16:33

that goes, the little arm, it snapped

1:16:35

because I wasn't careful. and now I

1:16:37

can never put it together and all

1:16:40

those parts are still half built in

1:16:42

the closet in my parents my mother's

1:16:44

house because I was hard enough glue

1:16:46

will fix anything you think that it

1:16:48

would and yet I was so careful

1:16:50

painting than the sauce or two so

1:16:53

bummed so bummed you know people that

1:16:55

follow instructions just driving bad sorry I

1:16:57

mean for IKEI I get it because

1:16:59

there are always one screw short so

1:17:01

you better follow directions up to that

1:17:04

point but when it comes that kind

1:17:06

of stuff It's like, why would you

1:17:08

want to follow directions when you could

1:17:10

just start finding parts in the kitchen

1:17:12

drawer and add all kinds of things

1:17:14

to make it work badly? And, and,

1:17:17

there you go, that's the one. That's

1:17:19

the one, uh, Anthony. I will find

1:17:21

that model if it's still... in the

1:17:23

house and I'll get some new glue,

1:17:25

you know, because I'm sure there have

1:17:27

been wonders in the last 40 years

1:17:30

of glue technology. And we'll see if

1:17:32

we can put it back the other

1:17:34

again. So, all right, that's fair. Hey,

1:17:36

we could do that as an episode.

1:17:38

We'll sit and work with you to

1:17:41

put it back together and then Ant

1:17:43

can just rumle over and over in

1:17:45

your ear. Looser, a crafting corner. Yeah.

1:17:47

Stream stream every month. You could join

1:17:49

them and just like you. Wow. I

1:17:51

know I got a lot of Legos

1:17:54

in the basement with pity in his

1:17:56

eyes because I got a lot of

1:17:58

space Legos in the basement. Did you

1:18:00

ever do the model airplane thing? thing?

1:18:02

I did not do I did not

1:18:05

do model, but I did do a but I did

1:18:07

do a couple of model cars. talked

1:18:09

and you guys talking about this stuff

1:18:11

right now me think back me

1:18:13

think back. And I'm like, yeah,

1:18:15

I should go to Walmart

1:18:17

or somewhere right now and go

1:18:19

grab a model. it was so

1:18:22

so freaking It's therapeutic just to

1:18:24

sit there to sit the with the light.

1:18:26

try to put everything together and didn't

1:18:28

get it and painting and all of

1:18:30

that. I really did enjoy that I in

1:18:32

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1:19:27

does space matter This This is a

1:19:29

whip around. Why does space matter to

1:19:31

you if it does? Let's start

1:19:33

with it does? Let's start you don't want to

1:19:35

do that, bro. Yes, I do. to

1:19:38

do that, bro. Yes, I do. Look

1:19:40

here. When we when

1:19:42

we started developing this show. show,

1:19:44

I I remember having meetings

1:19:46

with said leadership and was

1:19:49

like, um, Yeah I out, but

1:19:51

I don't give a crap

1:19:53

about that. a crap about something. I I

1:19:55

was straight up and you know I

1:19:57

You know, I enjoy working with you

1:20:00

all. But the stuff that I had stuff

1:20:02

about space never really heard about

1:20:04

space to me, really made any sense

1:20:06

to me, never I'm me. have met I'm

1:20:08

glad to have met you all

1:20:10

because you at least make it somewhat

1:20:12

interesting. But in the larger scheme

1:20:14

of things, I just don't care. I

1:20:16

hear about all of these millions

1:20:18

of dollars dollars, these couple of private companies

1:20:20

are spending to watch this to out

1:20:22

away from the planet. the planet.

1:20:24

all I think about about is. That

1:20:27

money have been dumped into

1:20:29

cancer research cancer research. Stuff like this.

1:20:31

Oh, this know, or that

1:20:33

money could have been gone.

1:20:35

that money could have I'm not It

1:20:37

could we're getting. I'm not seeing

1:20:39

what we're getting here green

1:20:41

grass or brown grass, or

1:20:44

wherever we are we are this

1:20:46

planet. I'm not seeing how

1:20:48

it's it's us right now. now.

1:20:50

Yes, we can have different

1:20:52

technologies develop developed you know, could

1:20:55

use down the road, know could

1:20:57

use down I road through I walk

1:20:59

San Francisco or here in

1:21:01

Santa Rosa and see all

1:21:03

the issues. Rosa and see all the

1:21:05

issues that issues and

1:21:08

then turn on.

1:21:10

try to resolve said issues and

1:21:12

then turn on some newscast of this rocket

1:21:14

was launched into space just as

1:21:16

a test and it a it

1:21:18

a gazillion dollars. That stuff bugs

1:21:20

me. a You know, so this this

1:21:23

is a classic conversation, which

1:21:25

we, it deserves an episode

1:21:27

of its own. Yeah, but the the

1:21:29

return, so just going back

1:21:31

to Apollo, but this this is,

1:21:33

this holds true pretty much going

1:21:35

forward. The return for each

1:21:37

dollar invested just in raw

1:21:39

cash terms to the national

1:21:41

economy was between national So between

1:21:43

16 ratio. one Then when you

1:21:45

start looking at. looking

1:21:48

at the specific cancer

1:21:50

research, and wound healing

1:21:53

and different pharmaceuticals and

1:21:55

stuff. It's a really compelling

1:21:57

conversation. But in the bigger

1:21:59

conversation. But in the bigger conversation,

1:22:01

there was a time in the 60s

1:22:03

when NASA was funding more education in

1:22:06

the country than the Department of Education

1:22:08

was. And the, as a driver, yeah.

1:22:10

So at this point, they're working with

1:22:12

one half of one percent of the

1:22:15

federal budget, and yet as a driver

1:22:17

of. technology and research and education and

1:22:19

so forth. The numbers are really compelling

1:22:21

and especially when you go overseas, so

1:22:24

when I went down to Ecuador, when

1:22:26

I went to about a year ago,

1:22:28

Norway, other places, people there think we're

1:22:30

crazy. They think NASA's the greatest thing

1:22:33

that's ever happened and they can't wait

1:22:35

to come work for that agency. So

1:22:37

where I'm going with that is the

1:22:39

amount of inspiration that gives young people,

1:22:42

except you aunt. It's really, it's kind

1:22:44

of astonishing to me because I knew

1:22:46

I was into it because I'm a

1:22:49

space geek, but just in general. So

1:22:51

it's a longer conversation than I don't

1:22:53

mean to bury your point because it

1:22:55

is a valid point, but honestly if

1:22:58

I was going to point at something,

1:23:00

you know, it's very. There's an incredible

1:23:02

value of the inspiration it gives a

1:23:04

country to achieve something like a lunar

1:23:07

landing. I was going to pair something

1:23:09

back. I would, wait, wait, I would,

1:23:11

I would, I would, I would, I

1:23:13

would shoot down the F, the F-35

1:23:16

in a heartbeat, not needed, overblown, entering

1:23:18

an era where almost everything's going to

1:23:20

be flown by drones. Okay, let the

1:23:22

combat pilots write in and say, well,

1:23:25

that's not going to happen. But this

1:23:27

thing's coming up on a trillion dollars.

1:23:29

We'd be living on condos on the

1:23:31

rings of Saturn by now if we

1:23:34

had that kind of money for space.

1:23:36

So, you know, I can't completely disagree

1:23:38

with what you're saying. I do think

1:23:40

there's a misallocation to mismanagement of funds

1:23:43

like most people do. But holy Christ,

1:23:45

you know, how much do we have

1:23:47

to spend on defense? Because China's going

1:23:49

to find a way to get those

1:23:52

designs and build their own anyway. So

1:23:54

maybe we just shouldn't build it in

1:23:56

the first place. And them

1:23:58

the chance. the I'm

1:24:01

sorry. You know I'm sorry.

1:24:03

Again, I see when I see.

1:24:05

sends of of up into

1:24:07

the air and that thing

1:24:10

literally comes back down by

1:24:12

itself and lands. back down by itself and

1:24:14

lands, amazing and it blows

1:24:16

blows my mind every time

1:24:18

I see it I see it because I

1:24:21

may know two their

1:24:23

car, actually know how to parallel

1:24:25

park their car. We're able to to do something

1:24:27

like that. That is just outstanding. You

1:24:29

know, but at know, but at the

1:24:31

same time, how can we apply

1:24:33

that technology to these people that

1:24:36

don't appear to apart their car? Well,

1:24:38

but if you look at that

1:24:40

exact rocket, you're talking about the

1:24:42

Falcon about the Falcon 9. and realize that it's

1:24:44

launching the batches of 20 Starlink

1:24:46

satellites at a time. And as

1:24:48

Steve who who we've had on

1:24:50

the show, an was an investor, heavy

1:24:52

investor in SpaceX. Which is a

1:24:54

good thing. a good a good thing.

1:24:56

Well, a good point was point many

1:24:58

many... Einstein's Gandhi's and Mother Teresa's are out there

1:25:00

that that to be able to

1:25:02

reach with global, global high-speed internet, bring into

1:25:04

the educational system that we're

1:25:06

not talking to today. And he

1:25:08

gave me a bunch of numbers

1:25:10

that I've forgotten about how

1:25:12

many people don't have people don't have

1:25:14

today and so forth. and so I

1:25:16

thought I a really interesting point.

1:25:18

I never thought of it

1:25:20

that way. never thought of it that way. So there's,

1:25:22

talk about talk -off benefits. benefits. I mean,

1:25:24

besides making. are presently are just run the ozone

1:25:26

layer they they out because

1:25:28

they only have have like

1:25:31

a five-year orbit life right? yeah but

1:25:33

at the rate the rate he's replacing

1:25:35

them, it doesn't matter and let's

1:25:37

remember those are controlled those are don't

1:25:39

just come back No, but there's

1:25:41

like back no but there's like the pollution

1:25:43

part. Yeah, like if we if

1:25:45

we are yeah like if we if we are like in

1:25:47

the ozone again Well, yeah, yeah, mean, mean, again,

1:25:49

a this is a longer conversation,

1:25:52

but but go. I to be back on

1:25:54

the show on the show again. about it.

1:25:56

right. We talk about it. Go to a complex.

1:25:59

and Pittsburgh or Detroit and watch

1:26:01

that cranking out 24 hours a day,

1:26:04

these blooms of crap and then compare

1:26:06

that to a rocket that goes out

1:26:08

in four seconds. I mean, maybe the

1:26:10

blue origin stuffs better. That sounds a

1:26:12

bit defensive. So their former life is

1:26:14

supposed to be longer, right? Yeah. And

1:26:17

honestly, I mean, space debris re-enters every

1:26:19

minute of every day. You know, these

1:26:21

are bigger than most, but they're parts

1:26:23

of old blown-up rockets, chunks of frozen

1:26:25

fuel. There's crap coming back all the

1:26:28

time. It's just part of the background

1:26:30

noise. I mean, compare that just to

1:26:32

the methane thaw that's happening in the

1:26:34

permafrost up in the Arctic. where these

1:26:36

enormous clasts of icy methane are now

1:26:39

thawing in the atmosphere and you know

1:26:41

it's like the farting of a billion

1:26:43

cows all at once or something to

1:26:45

me that's mature of a concern. Well

1:26:47

you say that but Starship is a

1:26:50

methane rocket and so new Glenn is

1:26:52

a methane rocket. Yeah but cows don't

1:26:54

burn their farts. Those rockets too. Or

1:26:56

like we lay fiber down once versus

1:26:58

like shipping up like sending up how

1:27:00

many satellites every year to replenish them.

1:27:03

I don't know. Yeah, the difference here

1:27:05

is the reach. So when I was

1:27:07

up in the Arctic for that month

1:27:09

a couple years ago, we used Iridium

1:27:11

satellite phone. And I could get, in

1:27:14

fact, I was using to get to

1:27:16

call into the show, and I remember

1:27:18

the Leo show, and I could get

1:27:20

like 90 seconds and it was starting

1:27:22

to kick it. And it was gone.

1:27:25

Last year they went up and they

1:27:27

finally have Starlink and they're up at

1:27:29

80 degrees. So they're pretty far north

1:27:31

and it was perfect. So, you know,

1:27:33

is that important? Well, for that project

1:27:36

it is, what I'm getting at is

1:27:38

when you start looking at the populations

1:27:40

that are living north and south of

1:27:42

what are these traditionally convenient places or

1:27:44

profitable places, more importantly. So, you know,

1:27:46

South, South America, there are places there

1:27:49

that have trouble getting a signal. Certainly

1:27:51

Africa, but there's... There's a

1:27:53

whole bunch of

1:27:55

areas that aren't wired

1:27:57

in. that aren't you

1:28:00

know, how many of

1:28:02

them can afford? of

1:28:04

them could afford the Starlink terminal whatever monthly fees

1:28:06

there are. I don't know, I would

1:28:08

hope at some point, some point. And I

1:28:10

know talked about it, SpaceX talked

1:28:12

about it, that they would end up.

1:28:15

end up, you know, gifting to to

1:28:17

certain parts of the world access to

1:28:19

this a for a certain amount

1:28:21

of time so people can can get up to speed.

1:28:23

But I mean, to point. point. You know

1:28:25

You know, reason that you get the get that we're kind

1:28:27

know that we're kind of We long,

1:28:29

we probably need to wrap up

1:28:31

soon, but I got all day I the day the

1:28:33

The counter, the the the counterpoint is that

1:28:36

You know to Anthony's you know, to Anthony's

1:28:38

point is that, yes, there's this great

1:28:40

spin get people get a lot of

1:28:42

connectivity, but these start are flying in

1:28:44

an intentionally low orbit to give you

1:28:46

that connectivity, which means they die

1:28:48

faster, which means that they have to

1:28:50

be launched and replaced a lot

1:28:52

faster. And this is 44 ,000 satellites. and

1:28:54

not a 15 it's not 30 over not that wait

1:28:56

that time 44,000 satellites that's nowhere close that now that's

1:28:59

that's the final that's the final that's

1:29:01

the final set. what that's what

1:29:03

he says. Yeah, that's what have

1:29:05

They have clearance to fly

1:29:07

that many and so so so so

1:29:09

so you right now you know at like five

1:29:11

now They're at like that something like

1:29:13

that like that something craze. It's

1:29:15

still crazy crazy and and and and and

1:29:17

you can't shake a fist you shake

1:29:19

shake shake shake Can't can't swing

1:29:21

a dead without the satellite. Anyway, what

1:29:23

I'm trying to say is to say is,

1:29:25

were models for strata lights that are

1:29:27

much more sustainable are much you could

1:29:29

field for longer for of time. You're

1:29:31

talking about within the atmosphere, balloons. Within

1:29:33

the atmosphere. within the atmosphere, options. other options. What W

1:29:35

and our is saying that it is saying

1:29:38

to look at Starlink and other to

1:29:40

look at as the only solution. He's

1:29:42

right. No. They're right. the They're right.

1:29:44

There's lots of other things. They're right. There's

1:29:46

I think that space gives us the

1:29:48

realm us gives us the realm. to discuss

1:29:50

those kinds of things. if we wouldn't be discussing if

1:29:52

didn't If you put up you put

1:29:54

lights, you know you those drones around

1:29:56

New Jersey, you're gonna go up and

1:29:59

attack them, because they're clearly. I got a whole

1:30:01

lecture yesterday from somebody in their 20s

1:30:03

about how those have to be extraterrestrials.

1:30:05

And I said, excuse me, there's no

1:30:07

drones in New Jersey. Why would extraterrestrials

1:30:10

put navigation marker lights on their drones?

1:30:12

Or if it's for an actor, you

1:30:14

know, you put it in stealth mode,

1:30:16

but instead you got blinking red and

1:30:18

green lights. Yeah, you hide in plain

1:30:21

sight, man. You hide in plain sight.

1:30:23

I'll say this, regardless of space. My.

1:30:25

real sort of I guess lack of

1:30:27

interest in just sort of slight hate

1:30:29

or annoyance with it came more so

1:30:31

when we started talking about trying to

1:30:34

live on Mars and and I'm like

1:30:36

that's that's so far away distance why

1:30:38

yeah well you're talking about uncle Elon's

1:30:40

fever dream right yeah and and unfortunately

1:30:42

I don't say unfortunately I don't say

1:30:45

unfortunately A lot of people listen to

1:30:47

that dude. And so what's the trickle-down

1:30:49

effect of that? And I'm thinking, you

1:30:51

know, this is not a good idea

1:30:53

when we have so many bigger problems

1:30:56

in our own damn backyard. You know,

1:30:58

so yeah, that's that's why I have

1:31:00

a beef with space. Well, but take

1:31:02

stuff like that. So two things. One,

1:31:04

Eline 8. That's private, I know. He

1:31:07

may soon. become part of NASA, but

1:31:09

he's not yet. But two, you know,

1:31:11

what he says is what he says

1:31:13

when you look at what NASA's been

1:31:15

saying and other other organizations that study

1:31:18

this stuff, it's like, look, we want

1:31:20

to do sorties tomorrow, we want to

1:31:22

do expeditions, we want to get boots

1:31:24

on the ground, explore the... planet,

1:31:26

see if there's life

1:31:29

there and all

1:31:31

that. And And then

1:31:33

the general design is

1:31:35

come come home. may

1:31:37

You know, we may

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have a small

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base there someday, probably

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in the blah blah blah.

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blah, blah. comes Then

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Elon comes along

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and says, build I'm

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going to build a

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city there in

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a week. will You

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