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0:44

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0:49

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0:53

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0:55

salty sprinkle. Is that a knock at the

0:57

door? Who is that? Oh my goodness,

0:59

we have a knock at the door of our hobbit hole.

1:01

Were you expecting company? Oh,

1:03

I've always expecting company. The feds are

1:05

after me. Uh, but I'm hoping

1:07

this isn't them. Uh...

1:09

Nope, nope, I don't see the sirens. Oh, I

1:11

don't hear the sirens, rather. I don't see the flashing

1:13

lights. I'm gonna go ahead and open the door and...

1:16

Oh my goodness! It's incredible YouTube

1:18

content creators, GDD and pointy hat,

1:20

aka Antonio! Woo! Oh

1:23

my god! This is the

1:25

wrong dungeon and the wrong dragon. Full

1:28

Prince vibe? Woo!

1:30

Haha! This makes them even

1:32

more black! Cake

1:34

litches and bitches! And wands

1:36

in the cusp of looking at

1:38

the spoon on a nat

1:40

20. No, bro! You think this

1:42

is just a game? That's

1:44

disgusting and I love it! We're

1:47

about to get into something real

1:49

big. Wow! Hi! Welcome! Welcome in,

1:51

please enter our hobbit hole quickly. The

1:53

feds have eyes on this place. We do

1:55

not want you guys to be tracked.

1:57

However, we are also live streaming this conversation

1:59

to Halfling Stadium. You

2:02

see live feed there. The fans are going

2:04

nuts. The Halflings are losing their minds in

2:06

the stadium. They have already

2:08

painted their chests in the shape of both

2:10

of your faces. This is incredible. Love

2:12

that. I see it. Yes. Welcome,

2:14

welcome both of you. Welcome back, Ginny, and

2:16

welcome for the first time, Antonio. It's wonderful

2:18

to have you both. Thank you. It's so

2:20

great to be here, to be back. Thank

2:23

you for having me. Not back, but just

2:25

have. Yeah, well speaking

2:27

of having for the first time

2:29

we whenever we have a new

2:31

guest Have a tradition here where

2:33

we ask you for your nerdy

2:35

origin story how you got into

2:37

this nerd TTRPG stuff How you

2:39

were you born into this life

2:41

or did you adopt it was

2:44

I molded by it? Yes. Yeah,

2:46

how I got into TTRPGs is I

2:49

remember beginning to hearing about it and

2:51

being like, oh, it's not for me

2:53

because there's math involved. I am clinically

2:55

bad at math. Diagnosed

2:58

so. It's like

3:00

the dyslexia of math. That's what I have.

3:02

So it's not for me. Yeah. Yeah. I

3:04

had a friend who has that problem. That's

3:06

me. And I was like, oh, this is

3:08

not for me. It will never be for

3:10

me. And so it took me so long

3:12

to actually get into it. And then it

3:14

was a combo of seeing actual play, seeing

3:16

fifth edition release and seeing like some buzz

3:18

around it and hearing

3:20

more of the narrative side of TTRPGs where

3:22

I was like, maybe I should try.

3:24

And so I did what any sensible person

3:26

would do, which was cry on Twitter

3:28

and say, I don't want to do anything, but I don't want to do math.

3:30

And then. A person that I'm friends with

3:33

to this day reached out and was like, I

3:35

can teach you D &D. And I said, you know

3:37

what, why not? And this was before YouTube,

3:39

before anything, of course. But because it would

3:41

have been a funny thing to start a

3:43

YouTube channel without having played D &D about D &D.

3:45

But yeah, that's how it started for me. Wow,

3:49

have you have you considered yourself

3:51

a nerd historically or was

3:53

this kind of the first big?

3:55

No, I've always been a

3:57

dog. I punch people that read

3:59

books and I Yeah, video games

4:01

are stupid. No, I made

4:03

like my day job and

4:05

my career before YouTube started

4:08

was I worked in video

4:10

games, so pretty hard Pretty

4:12

hard not to not pretty hard to beat

4:14

the nerd allegations with with that sort of

4:16

track record professionally. I

4:18

think you have to sign up for

4:20

a nerd registry for certain careers. Yeah,

4:22

absolutely. Unfortunately, yeah, we are on that

4:24

register. Yeah. So how

4:27

did how just before we get

4:29

to the subject of the day, how has

4:31

your YouTube journey sort of grown and brought you

4:33

to this place? Because you've been doing this

4:35

now for some years. Uh, what was, well, yeah,

4:37

the question, I knew, I knew the question,

4:39

but for the viewers that don't know the question

4:41

that have forgotten, you should say that.

4:43

Yes. Uh, for all of you out there

4:45

who are listening on your work and have just

4:48

forgotten, yes, Antonio is on, I know it.

4:50

Uh, Antonio is currently mouthing

4:52

the question on video. Uh, but. Antonio,

4:54

how has your YouTube journey

4:57

brought you to this point

4:59

from starting out as a

5:01

small YouTube D &D creator

5:03

to becoming now the pointy

5:05

hat? How has that journey been for you?

5:07

How has that gone? So glad that

5:09

you repeated that question and you asked me. How

5:12

I started was... I

5:15

guess I'm going for the truth with this one. It

5:17

was born out of pedinous in spite. I

5:20

wish it was like, I had a song

5:22

in my heart and I wanted everyone to

5:24

hear it. And I never thought that this

5:26

could ever be a thing for me. No,

5:28

no, I came in with a mission. I

5:30

was like, I had done books before and

5:32

they were very successful and I was very

5:34

happy. But then this evil part of,

5:36

I think all of us, or maybe I'm just projecting,

5:38

I'm just an evil person just myself, but I was

5:40

like, oh. It's

5:42

not fair. These YouTubers, they

5:45

make books, and I don't even think they're

5:47

better than mine, and they make so much money.

5:49

It's not fair. It's just not

5:51

fair. And then I realized I sounded like

5:53

a three -year -old. I'm gonna give

5:55

myself some credit, like a seven -year -old.

5:57

And I was like... What if,

5:59

well, they're doing something you're not

6:01

doing. They're doing like marketing. And

6:03

another pointer to the bad personality is I

6:05

love marketing. It's one of like, I would

6:08

have gone into marketing if I didn't go

6:10

into video game development. So I was like,

6:12

well, they're doing something you're not doing, what

6:14

if you didn't? And I sat down

6:16

and on one of my little notebooks,

6:18

just kidding, it was on my phone.

6:20

I wrote what point you had was

6:22

gonna be and I noodled it for

6:24

like, I noodled it, maybe. I looked

6:26

for catfish. for a long time, and I

6:28

found what point he had was, and it

6:30

was me, and he was within me, and

6:33

I am him, and he is me, and

6:35

that's sort of like the

6:37

impetus of starting the channel.

6:39

And somehow, once again, evil people, evil people

6:41

never die, and they get lucky, it just has

6:44

snowballed into what it is today, which I'm very happy

6:46

about. You know what though, in

6:48

your defense, some of the best things have come out

6:50

of pettiness and spite, so you know what? Absolutely, I

6:52

was born out of pettiness and spite, yeah, everything.

6:55

It's a powerful motor. Incredible works of

6:57

art. Yeah, absolutely. Especially the idea that

6:59

like, you know, I'm feeling fucking salty, man. I'm

7:01

the saltiest chip in the bag. You know what I'm going

7:04

to do? I'm going to make a YouTube channel about

7:06

it. That's what I'm going to do. Like, that's awesome. That's

7:08

badass. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

7:10

I wouldn't go that far, but I would. Well,

7:15

Ginny, I wanted to ask you, can

7:17

you, because we're here to

7:19

talk about Dragon Week, the

7:21

upcoming event in 2025. the

7:25

crowd at Happen Stadium once again losing They painted

7:27

dragons now on their toes. Oh God, a dragon's

7:29

coming. Yeah. How did they scrape off the previous paint?

7:31

Like, how'd they get that so fast? fast. But

7:34

we also wanted to ask a little bit

7:36

about, as an introduction to this, Kraken

7:38

Week 2024. Ginny, can you

7:40

tell us a little bit about Kraken Week

7:42

2024, where it came from, what it was like,

7:44

how it went? I would to.

7:46

Because having seen a few videos of it, I

7:48

really want to hear about this because it

7:50

was sick. Absolutely, yeah. So I remember

7:52

that Antonio and I were talking

7:55

around that time about how it was

7:57

sort of sad that even though

7:59

the tabletop creator community all has

8:01

this shared passion, so

8:03

many of us are just like sitting

8:05

in our basements, filming our own videos,

8:07

just separate from each other, and we're

8:10

talking about this really communal game, like

8:12

this social game that we all come

8:14

together over. And I know that for

8:16

Antonio and I, and also for some

8:18

of my friendships with other creators too,

8:20

being able to connect with other creators

8:22

has made such a huge difference in

8:24

how isolating and lonely this work can

8:26

feel. Having people who just kind of

8:28

get it and being able to connect

8:30

with other creators is so powerful. And

8:32

we were thinking, why do we not

8:34

have our version of like like

8:37

Inktober, for example, for artists.

8:39

Just a recurring event that

8:41

allows people to come together

8:43

and share their hobby in

8:45

a way that is just

8:47

more sort of communal than

8:49

it normally is. And

8:51

we were thinking, what could we do

8:53

that would accomplish that? And our concept was

8:55

like a beach episode in an anime

8:57

where everybody just gets to have fun for

9:00

once in the middle of whatever's going on. Keep

9:02

in mind, this was also very soon in

9:04

the aftermath of all the OGL stuff. So

9:06

the community was coming together, but

9:08

not around something fun, like around something

9:11

terrible. A lot of torches and

9:13

pitchforks. And that's why we were like, oh, wouldn't

9:15

it be great if we had sort of

9:17

a beach episode vibe, like something we could come

9:19

together about that is not the. defeating

9:21

the big bad or completing the journey, whatever

9:23

we've been doing with the OGL stuff,

9:25

but just something more light. And

9:27

that's why we ended up settling

9:29

on the Kraken because of the

9:32

beach theme. But after the first

9:34

160 -some videos about underwater, we were

9:36

like, we can't just do Kraken's

9:38

every year. We're already done. We

9:40

were planning our topics in advance. We were like,

9:42

if we repeat this next year, and that was

9:44

like a pie in the sky thing. I'm like,

9:47

we're not. But if we this. Only if it

9:49

worked. Yeah, exactly. If we repeat this, and I'm

9:51

gonna do this, and then 160

9:53

videos came out, it was like, well,

9:56

it's gonna be rough. We plumbed

9:58

the depths. We have officially reached

10:00

the bottom video. Literally. A thousand

10:02

percent. Yeah. So what

10:04

then was the inspiration to jump

10:06

over to dragons this year? Yeah,

10:09

we, I mean, we knew

10:11

we needed to move on and we

10:13

weren't sure if we were going to be

10:15

able to find one other topic that

10:17

would be repeatable year over year because we

10:20

thought, well, if we got 160 videos

10:22

the first year, there's a good

10:24

chance that... next year might be even bigger

10:26

because more people will know about it

10:28

after it happened this first time. I mean

10:30

the nature of creating content that goes

10:32

out on social media is that every every

10:34

time all of those 160 people were

10:36

reaching new viewers who were maybe going to

10:39

be interested in participating the next year.

10:41

So we knew it could spiral very quickly

10:43

and we thought what can we do

10:45

to keep these annual events feeling fresh

10:47

and make sure that each year has

10:49

its own vibe and like energizes people

10:51

in different ways so that nobody feels

10:53

like they are just repeating themselves. And

10:56

that was when we thought, well, we could

10:58

just pick a different monster every year, like Kraken's

11:00

the first year. Dragons felt like

11:02

a natural successor just because this

11:04

is the dragon game that most of

11:06

us are playing. But we

11:08

have such big ideas about all of the different monsters

11:10

and monster groups that we can do in the

11:13

future. I know Antonio has some fave

11:15

monsters that people who watch his channel

11:17

will know. Mmm, I've

11:19

been Yankee video upcomer you're

11:21

getting Yankee week upcoming next year.

11:23

Thank you weak. They have

11:25

such broad appeal. Yeah Of course,

11:27

well, yeah, I can say

11:29

personally I think even for fifth

11:31

edition prior to like it

11:33

felt like fifth edition was really

11:35

light on dragon stuff. But

11:37

it's been nice to see in

11:39

the last couple of years,

11:41

the dragon content for fifth edition

11:43

really start to bloom more

11:46

with like new versions of the

11:48

dragonborn. I'm curious if you have

11:50

any thoughts on like the change from with

11:52

the new monster manual, how they've changed some

11:54

of the dragons around, not just the incredible

11:56

new art that they made, but like even

11:58

some of the mechanics and stuff. Yeah, that gold

12:00

dragon is something else. Yeah,

12:02

yeah, absolutely. Yeah. With

12:05

the way that they've given them, for example, I

12:08

think they've narrowed down the kinds of attacks

12:10

to just rend attacks now, instead of claws,

12:12

bites, et cetera, et cetera. More

12:14

legendary resistances, stuff like that. Do you

12:16

have, just before we move on, any

12:18

brief thoughts on the newer, like the

12:20

transition stuff and the newer stuff they've

12:22

been doing and how that might relate

12:24

to the, I guess, this topic of

12:26

dragons in general? Antonia,

12:30

do you have a thought? Yeah, please. I happen.

12:32

Sometimes it happens. Yeah,

12:35

I am a pretty unabashed lover

12:37

of the 2024 edition. I have

12:39

gone on record to say, unpaid,

12:41

unpaid, by the way, unpaid, unpaid,

12:44

to say that I think that

12:46

they are, it's across the board.

12:48

Of course, there's like outliers in

12:50

that, but across the board, like

12:52

a positive change. on

12:54

everything especially. I would love

12:56

to hear the thoughts on why the monster manual

12:58

of all three is worse. But

13:00

yeah, I really, really like the

13:02

changes in general and I like the

13:04

changes to dragons. I like that

13:06

it's less like three attacks that are

13:08

all the exact same flavor wise and

13:11

do like of

13:13

negligibly different averages of damage now it's

13:15

rend attack. And instead of that, because

13:17

before I thought that dragons, well, this

13:19

is a well -known piece of point

13:21

I had Lord. I don't like dragons that

13:23

much. I think they're boring. I think they're

13:25

overplayed. But what I think, like about the

13:27

new dragons is that before it was truly

13:29

like the same monster, but like it had

13:31

a different breath weapon and not even it

13:33

just had a different damage type. And

13:36

that was it. Like that was the only

13:38

difference between like all 17 of them, however

13:40

much they are, how many they are, hated

13:42

it terribly. I thought that they were like

13:44

not only badly designed, like not inspiring, not

13:46

good, and also like all the same, except

13:48

for like a Pokemon type attached to them.

13:50

The new ones have like, instead

13:52

of having tail, claw and bite or

13:54

whatever, uh, attacks, they have rend.

13:56

And instead of that, they have unique

13:59

actions that are either spells or

14:01

very specific actions to them that

14:03

give them their own personality wise, like

14:05

their own personality in their stat

14:07

blocks itself, which is a thing that when

14:10

I design things, I try to do a lot.

14:12

I try to like convey what the fantasy for

14:14

the monster is in the stat block and not

14:16

just the lore of the thing. So to

14:18

me. I will also say that

14:20

I know you were like besides the incredible

14:22

new art, but I do have to say

14:24

that beyond just the art being really good,

14:26

what I loved about the art in the

14:28

2024 book was that I know that they

14:30

put a lot of effort into making sure

14:32

the art showed the monsters in action, like

14:34

doing something instead of just existing. And

14:36

previously the dragon art had been like,

14:38

I think very focused on showing the

14:40

scale of a dragon or how scary

14:42

the dragon is, but the art in

14:44

the new book I think really helped

14:46

helped show me how each dragon is

14:48

different in terms of their environment and

14:50

like their sort of style. Like I

14:52

remember when I flipped to the page

14:54

with the green dragon that's underwater and

14:56

there's like this tiny little rowboat on

14:58

the surface and then underneath all these

15:00

lily pads is this huge green dragon

15:02

that's like sneaking up underneath this boat.

15:04

I immediately was like, oh, this is

15:06

the first thing that's made me want

15:08

to put a dragon into an encounter

15:10

in a long time. I think that's

15:12

such a cool way to just visually

15:14

give inspiration. to be like look at

15:16

how many ways you could use these

15:18

dragons. Yeah that that in environment is so

15:20

powerful I feel like for me it's it's obviously

15:22

handy when you know you're running a game to

15:25

be able to have like your little stat block

15:27

and like the little snapshot of what it is

15:29

but like as far as like home brewing and kind

15:31

of ideation right it takes your imagination so

15:33

much further to be able to see all of

15:35

that and like same thing with like the

15:37

scale of like just having like a little guy

15:39

and then the giant dragon next to it

15:41

versus that that fear, right, that danger,

15:43

that sense of danger of this thing

15:45

sneaking up on you from below or in

15:47

the case of like my favorite art

15:49

piece, the gold dragon, that person that's like

15:51

sitting on the bench like looking up

15:53

at it, right? Like the sense of peace

15:55

and brilliance and wonder and wisdom too,

15:57

right? Like dragons aren't just mindless monsters that are

15:59

just going around, you know, Godzilla -ing all over the

16:01

place, right? Like you can use them in

16:03

a much more kind of immersive way to make

16:06

your campaign a little bit more whole. And

16:08

I feel like totally agree with you. The art

16:10

really, really does that. the new 2024

16:12

rules. Yeah, I think

16:14

I think one of my one of the biggest

16:16

compliments I can give this art is that if

16:18

you took the art of the dragons in

16:20

this book and really a lot of the monsters

16:22

and just showed it to a bunch of

16:24

kids and gave them no rules, they could tell

16:26

you a story about that. Just looking at

16:28

that, it's like, oh, yeah, this I see a

16:30

story immediately. And I think that's exactly what

16:32

it needed to do. Yeah, absolutely. And I also.

16:36

Yes, and I also completely agree with you

16:38

Antonio I think the overall the mechanical Improved

16:41

the mechanics of pretty much not just dragons,

16:43

but a lot of the monsters I've looked

16:45

at has just it's just night and day

16:47

like the lich. Oh my god It

16:49

was it. Oh, it's like not even it's

16:51

not even the same monster almost I really

16:53

I really appreciate the way they've improved a

16:55

lot of that stuff. Oh, yeah So

16:59

I wanted to ask

17:01

up front, you mentioned

17:03

there's 160 creators that

17:05

were in Kraken Week. Do

17:07

you have yet an idea of how many

17:10

people you're expecting for Dragon Week? Well,

17:12

our first two days, we've

17:14

got probably 70 some videos

17:17

submitted already. So. Wow.

17:19

Yeah, I think we are

17:21

definitely looking at an increase from

17:23

last year. Yeah. Yeah. Also, what's

17:25

important to know, and this is not me

17:27

like dismissing shorts creators in the slightest, but

17:29

like a big number of those 160 were

17:31

shorts so far this year. And we don't

17:33

know if this is a trend because we

17:35

both notice, of course, we don't know if

17:37

this is a trend or if this is

17:39

like shorts creators, like maybe post later or

17:41

something like that. But we thought like our

17:43

shorts, we have playlist for each of them

17:45

and our shorts have been like, like, I

17:47

would say 90 more than 90 percent of

17:49

the current. count of videos are long form

17:51

videos. Wow. So I think

17:53

I think part of it might be because last

17:55

year we didn't give people a ton of

17:57

notice because we were trying to build hype about

17:59

the event and surprise everyone with it.

18:01

But what that means is that

18:04

Pretty large number of creators only had about a

18:07

week's notice to put something together last year, whereas

18:09

this year we were way more public about the

18:11

event and people had months to get prepped for

18:13

it. And so I think people were able to

18:15

do more in -depth projects this year, which is amazing.

18:17

Love that. Yeah, and what are

18:20

some, can you give us some of the

18:22

key dates and notes to be aware for

18:24

submitting videos if they want to be among

18:26

the potentially hundreds of incredible videos that are

18:28

submitted for Dragon Week? You

18:30

must be swift as the coursing river. You

18:33

must have the strength of a great

18:35

typhoon. The usual stuff. Yeah,

18:37

exactly. The tiger thing too. Other

18:39

than that, if you do take those

18:41

three prerequisites, you do just like every single

18:44

adsense you've ever done. Just send it

18:46

over to me. I'll send it to Ginny.

18:48

And after that, once you've done that,

18:50

you can release any day of this week.

18:52

Just kidding. Only until Friday. And

18:55

then. you will be part of Dragon Week.

18:57

It is a completely open event. You will please

18:59

tag in Monster Week so we can find

19:01

it easy. But, well, we, Ginny has been incredible

19:03

at that. I've been good at keeping up

19:05

with the Discord. Ginny has been incredible at it.

19:07

Being like, I found this video in the

19:09

depths of hell. And this, I put it on

19:11

the play, there's no worries. But

19:13

yeah, if easy. This is one filter. Well,

19:16

but I don't know how to do that. So that's incredible

19:18

already to me. Crazy how nature make that. But yeah, tag

19:21

your video as Monster Week in the tags.

19:23

That will make it show up. We search by.

19:25

newest video there's a discord running around for

19:27

creators if you want to join that discord that

19:29

we have a link to that a links

19:31

channel and you can participate if you somehow didn't

19:34

hear about this because we didn't shut up

19:36

about it but if you didn't hear about this

19:38

you have time to make a short if

19:40

not You know, next year

19:42

is always there. Yeah, we are planning

19:44

on having the timing be similar next year. Last year

19:46

it was later in the summer and we had to move

19:48

it up this year because we both have some summer

19:50

plans that would make it hard to also run the event.

19:53

And now that it's no longer Beach

19:55

Week, we have a little more flexibility

19:57

on the timing. But next year we

19:59

do plan to repeat it in sort of spring.

20:01

time like this so you can keep an

20:03

eye out if you didn't make it this year

20:05

you can keep an eye out for next

20:07

year and who knows what the monster will be

20:10

although my commenters really wanted to be flumps

20:12

because i made a joke about it being flumps

20:14

oh yeah that's good it's consideration i guess

20:16

that would be flump week would be

20:18

incredible say that 10 times fast

20:20

what kind of thing of like

20:22

we've done it seven times or

20:24

eight times, and it's like, um,

20:27

it's full of, say, yes, um,

20:29

um. What

20:31

kind of content for the people out there

20:34

that are interested, even in just submitting a short,

20:36

what kind of content are you looking for? Are

20:38

you looking for videos that are more explainers, videos

20:40

that are more just pontificating on the subject of

20:42

dragons, or something kind of like more like an

20:45

actual play, like Oops, All Dragonborn or something? Literally,

20:47

all of that would be great. I

20:49

mean, our goal with this is whatever

20:51

you feel inspired to create based on

20:53

that theme, you should dig into that.

20:55

We have had such an incredible variety

20:57

of videos submitted already, actual plays, podcasts, explainer

21:01

videos. There

21:03

was one of my favorites is a

21:05

channel that talks about ADHD and DND,

21:07

did a video where it's like different

21:09

dragon types as different types of ADHD

21:11

presentations. my goodness. So I'm a, I'm

21:13

a blue green. I mean, shockingly, I'm

21:16

a blue green. They

21:18

did that for you. Whitney

21:20

Avalon did a whole music video

21:22

that I got to singing, called

21:24

dragons are a girls best friend,

21:26

all kinds of stuff. We got

21:28

artists doing paintovers, not

21:30

paintovers, like paintovers and like full

21:32

blown illustrations of dragons. We

21:34

have other, and yes, it is YouTube based

21:36

just because we are YouTube creators. But

21:38

we have, for example, Erin has released like

21:40

NPC packs of dragons. So that's just

21:43

an artist, for example, like participating in Dragon

21:45

Week in their own way. Monster Week

21:47

in general. We want to keep it

21:49

as open as possible. It is

21:51

YouTube based, but yeah, literally

21:53

anything you want. The whole goal of

21:55

it is that it's completely open and it is to

21:57

everybody at the same time. Yeah and we say YouTube

21:59

because we have the official playlists that are on YouTube

22:01

so if it's not a YouTube video we can't

22:03

put it on the playlist but we encourage people

22:05

to participate in any way that they want if

22:07

that means just like running a dragon themed session

22:09

for their own players at home and then tweeting

22:11

about it or whatever I want to hear about

22:13

it if you did like yes a hundred percent

22:16

and we got stuff like that so yeah. That's

22:18

really cool. Yeah, I think that's

22:21

absolutely awesome. I noticed that last

22:23

year with Kraken Week, people sort of expanded

22:25

from just talking about Kraken's, often talking

22:27

about various underwater D &D things. Is that also

22:29

sort of a theme of Dragon Week this

22:31

year of like expanding rather than just talking

22:33

about like the main dragon types, even

22:35

stuff like pseudo dragons or fairy dragons or

22:37

like Wyverns or Wyverns, I guess, depending on

22:39

how you pronounce it. Yeah. We're

22:42

going for that very much. In Kraken Week, we

22:44

specifically said like, this is like the theme is

22:46

underwater. We're just calling it Kraken Week because of

22:48

Shark Week. But we kind of like walk that

22:50

back. We are doing Monster Week. The name of

22:52

the event is Monster Week. So,

22:54

but honestly, it's one of those things

22:56

of like, well, technically it's a dragon.

22:58

Like if it's technically a dragon, you're

23:01

pretty much fine to participate. We have

23:03

never run into a problem. Like we've

23:05

never run into like, this

23:07

doesn't go with the theme. You know I mean?

23:09

Like by the way, that's not. That's

23:12

not a dare. Like, don't try

23:14

to find where the light is. It's

23:16

a dare from me. Do whatever.

23:18

Try to come up with the weirdest

23:20

version of Dragon Week. I dare

23:22

you. We are very open

23:25

to whatever. Like, as the theme is

23:27

Dragon, go nuts. Yeah. Well,

23:29

I mean, cobalt are now officially considered

23:31

dragons. And they're just creature type -wise. Yeah. And

23:34

I talked about pseudo -dragons a bunch in

23:36

my video, because I love pseudo -dragons. I want

23:38

a little pet dragon to sit on my

23:40

shoulder so bad. So I made, like, variant

23:42

pseudo -dragons so that we have more of

23:44

them. Oh, my goodness. I love that.

23:46

I was actually just about to ask. Oh,

23:48

Candice, were you gonna say something? No, I

23:50

don't need any excuse to have a little pseudo

23:53

dragon on a creature or a person that

23:55

I make in the future, and now I do

23:57

anyway, so. Yeah, I feel

23:59

like having dragons as, or a dragon

24:01

being as a kind of familiar, I

24:04

think adding that to find familiar would be

24:06

just a beautiful move. Yes, why do only

24:08

warlocks get that? It should just be accessible

24:10

to everyone. Agreed. Yeah, it could just be

24:12

a little flying thing. It doesn't need to

24:14

be literally a dragon. No. But

24:17

I did want to ask you

24:19

guys, can we get any sneak peeks

24:21

into the subjects of your individual

24:23

videos? Antonio, tell us, give us

24:25

a sneak peek. You can get a massive sneak

24:27

peek by watching Jenny's video, which is out. It

24:29

came out of my face. So

24:32

big sneak peek, like get ready. But

24:34

if you want a sneak

24:36

peek of mine, I can give

24:38

you exclusive premiere. I'm gonna

24:40

be making... playable dragons. On

24:43

my channel, I am known as a dragon

24:45

hater. My audience loves it. The

24:47

people with dragon, like

24:49

furry dragon profile pictures, they really like it when

24:51

I don't like dragons. They let me know how much

24:53

they like it all the time. my

24:58

take on that is I had made several

25:00

videos from like the perspective of someone that

25:02

just doesn't like dragons that much and for

25:04

this one I was like I'm gonna inhabit

25:06

the mind of the dragon lover and like

25:08

do something for people that are like just

25:10

massive fans of this monster of this aesthetic

25:12

what do they want and I asked so

25:14

many people and actually went like outside of

25:17

like the d &d sphere to like people

25:19

that like I was interested in people that

25:21

haven't played d &d yet specifically and in that

25:23

sphere and you don't know how many of

25:25

them it's like well i want to play

25:27

a dragon but you can't and of course

25:29

if you like if you're like me your

25:31

initial reaction to that is like oh dragonborn

25:34

and then like they're like no i don't

25:36

want like a humanoid guy with the head

25:38

of a dragon i want like a dragon

25:40

bipedal something that's why i had like we

25:42

got together a compiled list of exactly what

25:44

we want to do with this. I had

25:46

Janice help. We collaborated on both of our

25:48

videos. And this is

25:51

like the playable dragon

25:53

species for people. That

25:55

sounds sick. I love that idea.

25:58

I actually had a little bit of

26:00

an experience with this where I

26:02

guested on a show in the UK,

26:04

shout out to No Small Roles,

26:06

where I was playing a dragon who

26:08

was posing as a halfling. I

26:10

was playing like one of the characters.

26:12

ex fiance's actually. We

26:14

have eloped and then I had run away and we created

26:16

this whole backstory but she had no idea my character was

26:18

a dragon. Typical

26:20

copper behavior. Literally

26:22

part copper, I was part copper, part

26:24

blue. I had blue hair. I could

26:27

tell, I could tell. It's the vibes. You

26:30

can't trust people with blue hair. Yes,

26:32

that's how it is. Ever

26:35

since we arrived, I

26:37

lied about the fed surveillance on the

26:39

outside. We actually have fed surveillance of

26:41

the inside specifically because you have arrived.

26:44

I hate to inform you. But

26:47

ever since that initial appearance, every time

26:49

I've guessed it again, we've had to

26:51

add more dragon mechanics. Because we kind

26:53

of came up with the idea of

26:55

like, oh, he has been a halfling

26:57

for so long. He's sort of lost

26:59

most of his draconic abilities. But at

27:01

the end of his first appearance, he

27:04

transforms again. And so I have some

27:06

experience trying to piece together a semi -functioning,

27:08

not completely broken dragon. from

27:10

the existing rules. We were trying to

27:12

throw feats in there. It's, yeah, it's a

27:14

challenge. It was hard. The hardest thing

27:16

that I found is like, how do you make

27:18

this not a dragon board? That's

27:21

it. Yeah,

27:23

literally. And not being

27:25

completely broken. As soon as it has flight, it's

27:28

just, yeah, in most campaigns,

27:30

absolutely out of control. It

27:32

does make me so sad that we just

27:34

don't let PCs have flight, because the winged

27:37

tiefling variant is so freaking cool, and I

27:39

don't know if I will ever have a

27:41

DM that would let me play it. Oh,

27:43

dude. I actually, in my main home game, one

27:46

of the players plays a winged tiefling, and it's

27:48

awesome. Love them. Yeah. Absolutely

27:50

fantastic. Not a fantasy for

27:52

me. I never gave any, I

27:54

never cared about flying. I was

27:56

like, I guess, I guess. You're

27:58

like, I wish I could have a

28:00

burrow speed. That's the dream. That's more broken

28:02

in my opinion. I

28:04

love to give my guys like mylises all

28:06

the time. Like, what if whenever he sees

28:09

the color red, he explodes? Can we do

28:11

that? How I

28:13

make my character weaker? All the

28:15

time, all the time. So I never run into like,

28:17

my DM will let me play it. I'm like, My

28:19

DM is concerned that I will have more time. Every

28:24

time you submit a new character ID,

28:26

you have to have a full therapy

28:28

session with the DM just to make

28:30

sure a wellness check. The last thing I

28:32

played was Divination Wizard that could only

28:34

see misfortune in the future, so I

28:36

could never use my roles for positive

28:38

things. That's so sad. Like my

28:40

portents, I could never be like, you succeed

28:42

on that jump. I was like, no, you can't

28:44

see that because that only misery. Are

28:46

you okay, Antonio? Yeah. I'm

28:49

doing great. Does that mean that you'd have to use

28:51

all your high roles for bad guys? No, because it could

28:53

be misery for the bad guys. I

28:56

cannot help you cross the cliff.

28:58

I cannot help you jump over a

29:00

thing. It's only misery

29:02

for you, you know I mean? But,

29:04

yeah, that's how, it was really

29:06

fun to play. Yeah, that's

29:08

a really creative idea, that's sick. I feel

29:10

like you need to be. You need

29:12

to be at a table with our very

29:14

GM, uh, used to be very neighborhood

29:16

GM, then very friendly neighborhood GM, incorrect, no

29:19

longer. So you should, you should be

29:21

at a table with our very GM, uh,

29:23

Jeremy here, who will probably cure you

29:25

of your desire to, uh, play underpowered creatures

29:27

because even when you're very powerful. I

29:29

never said underpowered. I love to find ways

29:31

around myself. Just, just

29:33

emotionally underpowered. Yeah. Just

29:36

broken, you know, like mentally.

29:38

I would pay to watch

29:40

that game, to watch you

29:42

both enjoy each other's madness

29:44

and excitement. That sounds like

29:46

a plan. Yeah, it would be the

29:48

unstoppable force meets the... I guess it would

29:50

be the completely unstoppable force meeting the never -moving

29:52

or an always -moving object. It would be us

29:54

their match. It be like, yeah, it would just...

29:56

How bad can we make this character's life?

29:58

like, he would be like, like, he would would

30:00

would would be be like, he

30:04

And a compound fracture. Uh

30:06

-huh. Infection. Infection. Absolutely. a

30:09

C minus seven. I walk backwards. Got

30:11

it. Great. Let's keep it rolling. I

30:15

turn my back towards the enemy, and

30:17

I start talking. Yes, exactly. I

30:20

did also want to ask, because, Ginny,

30:22

when you were here last time, we

30:24

talked a lot about being a woman

30:26

in the YouTube space. Not just TCRPGs,

30:28

but especially on YouTube. For those of

30:31

you who haven't been on YouTube, the

30:33

comment section on YouTube is notoriously horrific.

30:36

It's not great. It's not good. Yeah. Absolutely.

30:38

Garbage. Even on stuff where you should

30:40

have positive. I feel like we talked about

30:42

this just the other day. Even

30:45

on stuff that should have generally positive

30:47

reviews like cat videos, you will see

30:49

people clapping back about how terrible Sprinkles

30:51

is. They can't stand him. I even

30:53

got negative comments on the video where

30:55

I ran a D &D game for

30:57

my grandma. Not a lot, but some. Yeah,

31:01

animal videos are some of the

31:03

worst, honestly. Everybody, if

31:05

there is an animal video, there will be at least

31:07

15 people telling you that you're abusing animal. Does

31:09

this hurt the cat? And the cat

31:12

is breathing. The

31:14

cat's actively purring, is

31:16

making biscuits, it's

31:18

licking the owner, and they're like,

31:20

cat is under duress. stress

31:22

indication of stress. Every time.

31:24

You know, Antonio, interestingly, I think

31:26

Antonio is probably the only male

31:28

creator that I've ever engaged with

31:31

who gets as much shit as

31:33

me, to be honest. It's embarrassing.

31:36

Oh no. What motivates it? Is

31:38

it mainly people getting mad that

31:40

you didn't like something about their

31:42

favorite monster? No. No.

31:45

I mean, I get that. I get like, I

31:48

was joking. Have we joking? From

31:50

like normal, you know solid all -American

31:52

hate like the hate that we

31:54

all love it is stuff like the

31:56

dragon thing like I Severely miscalculated

31:58

how much people would care that I

32:00

don't much care for the lizard

32:02

I was It is surprising to me

32:04

every time when someone is like

32:06

wishing death upon me because I'm like

32:09

I just don't I don't I

32:11

don't care that much about it I

32:13

think that I have a pretty

32:15

positive comment section I don't know if

32:17

it's the queerness or some sort

32:19

of like implicit permission, but Do I

32:21

get some comments about like body

32:23

stuff and yeah, I get like body

32:25

stuff. Yeah, is that really what

32:27

you're here for audience? I know, I

32:29

know. The first time he showed

32:31

his face on YouTube. Oh

32:34

my god, the things people are comfortable

32:36

writing in a public comment section.

32:38

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I screenshot them to

32:40

Ginny. And I think that this is why

32:42

the friendship has been so strong is because it's

32:44

been fortunate the fire. I screenshot them

32:46

to Ginny being like, I swear I'm not making

32:48

this. I'll screenshot it. Then

32:50

I feel weird. I'm like, I'm

32:52

sending Ginny insane things that people

32:54

have. Very explicit, some very explicit

32:57

things that people have written. Oh

33:00

my. You know like on the

33:02

side obviously there's the hate side

33:04

and then there's like the objectification

33:06

side and the objectification side we

33:08

both face it but in very

33:11

different ways. Like for me I'm

33:13

getting objectified by like 55 year

33:15

old like married men who just

33:17

like aren't just who just don't

33:19

seem to understand what a boundary

33:21

is with a stranger but for

33:23

him he's getting some very different

33:25

much more explicit stuff. From

33:29

a range of people, all genders,

33:31

or is it mostly still thirsty

33:33

women? Well, I guess

33:35

this is bad, because I'm like, what

33:37

do you call it? I'm like

33:39

infantilizing women for this, but I do

33:41

have a contingent of like, hot

33:44

and bothered dramas that I do enjoy immensely.

33:46

You know I mean? When a comment starts,

33:48

I will see like Sharon, Sharon Bunch of

33:50

Numbers. You know mean? Like the thing that

33:52

like - And Sharon thinks you're like a

33:54

delicious treat. Like with the girl like, if

33:56

I was 10 years younger and I'm like,

33:58

hey, 40 grandma, love you. I mean, like

34:01

that's fun. But I guess that's

34:03

bad because you're infantilizing like that woman's desire. Like

34:05

you'd be like, well, when the guy does it,

34:07

that's scary. But when a woman does it, it's

34:09

funny. I think that like there's a shade there

34:11

where it's like, you know what I mean? Like

34:13

why are you implying there? But no, I get

34:15

it mostly from men. And I get it mostly

34:17

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34:19

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halflings. It has skyrocketed after

38:23

coming out, which I think once again,

38:25

it's normal, because you're like, well, this guy

38:27

is safe. You mean like this is

38:29

not a guy that is gonna be like,

38:31

ew gross, you like met, you know

38:33

mean? It's not gonna be that, but it

38:35

has been pretty, it has been pretty,

38:37

I'm gonna say outward. I'm trying my best

38:39

to not, It's

38:42

a very slippery slope as a queer person

38:44

myself. It's really hard because like a lot

38:46

of times being queer and being marginalized in

38:48

general, right? That validation is so powerful, right?

38:50

To like feel like you belong in a

38:52

space and like people are open to receiving

38:54

what you're putting down and they want that

38:56

representation and they're hungry for it and they're

38:58

like, oh my goodness, you haven't been here

39:00

before. Finally, we have someone that we can

39:02

look to that's like us, that understands us

39:04

and what we want. But then like you

39:06

just have people all the time that just

39:09

need to cross that line. And part of

39:11

it definitely is loneliness, right? It's really hard

39:13

as a neurogenie. I'm sure you've encountered This

39:15

too right where people are really lonely and

39:17

maybe they don't get out and maybe they

39:19

don't meet people that they're attracted to that

39:21

like this kind of thing right maybe they've

39:23

been ostracized for it before but then like

39:25

like a little healthy, like, oh, you're so

39:27

great. Let me contribute to your Kofi. Let

39:29

me retweet every single thing you ever post

39:31

ever, even if it's super dumb and has

39:33

nothing to do with anything. I just want

39:35

to show you all the support in the

39:37

world. It's great. But then you have the

39:39

people that just take it too far and

39:42

you can't come back from that. I feel

39:44

like once you enter that, like, icky world

39:46

of people being, like, overly familiar, it's

39:48

really difficult to reel that back in no

39:50

matter how much you might understand, like, where it

39:52

comes from. Yeah. And to be clear. And

39:54

I wonder, there's a reason why I don't, okay,

39:56

so like it stays between the four of

39:59

us, and of course you, Steven, that is listening

40:01

to this podcast. This is

40:03

why I don't talk about this

40:05

in public. But I truly don't, I

40:07

don't bring it up often because

40:09

I understand the stigma that is attached

40:11

to my very own community. And

40:13

I'm not gonna, I think it would

40:15

be very dumb of me to

40:18

go anywhere and keep complaining about how

40:20

sexual queer men are. Because

40:22

that is the stigma, one of the 17

40:24

,000 of them, that is put upon us.

40:26

So I think that you have to be

40:28

careful about what you're complaining about. And at

40:30

the end of the day, if I post

40:32

a selfie on Twitter and someone's being horny

40:34

in the comments, it literally doesn't face me

40:36

anymore. I think that the only time,

40:38

I don't know how many times I've complained to you

40:40

about this. And I feel like

40:42

you have to jump in if you

40:44

feel me, like if you've had this. I

40:47

think that when it reaches something that really

40:50

bothers me, it's like, I don't know, I'm

40:52

making an announcement or something like, I'll be at

40:54

GenCon or, oh,

40:56

shouting out my friend who just posted whatever and something

40:58

like that and then the comments are. Like,

41:01

not what I thought about, but it's

41:03

insane. Like, I'm trying to get a

41:05

message across, dude. It's not the time

41:07

to comment on this. I think that's

41:10

where of people can't read the room.

41:13

Sometimes there are comments that are inappropriate

41:15

no matter what, but there are

41:17

more inappropriate times to leave those comments

41:19

also. And that can be,

41:21

it's just, it's like, I think there's

41:23

just like every little thing about it

41:26

that's inappropriate increases the discomfort. And like,

41:28

if it's also posted, at an appropriate

41:30

time or in an inappropriate context, that

41:32

increases how uncomfortable it feels to get

41:34

it, for sure. This is like

41:36

it's invalidating not just your personhood,

41:38

but also anything you're trying to communicate.

41:40

You're trying to talk to you

41:42

about something that is important to me,

41:44

and you can't even acknowledge that

41:46

I'm talking to you about this thing.

41:48

All you can do is very

41:50

publicly and very aggressively hit on me

41:52

and say just really uncomfortable things.

41:54

Which is great. I appreciate the ego

41:56

boost, but at one point don't

41:58

know. like, we gotta talk about Junkon,

42:00

dude. I appreciate that you're horny, but

42:03

I am gonna be at that booth at

42:05

that time, and I need you to understand that.

42:07

It's especially funny, because I feel like 90 %

42:09

of those people are way too embarrassed and

42:11

scared to be horny at you in public. Oh,

42:13

a thousand percent. I mean, I

42:15

don't know about you, Antonio, but I've

42:17

never had anyone come to me at an

42:20

event, like an in -person event, and be

42:22

inappropriate to my face. I've never had

42:24

that happen. Not a dare, again. Not a

42:26

dare. That wasn't a dare. That

42:28

wasn't a dare. Just like what I said, don't

42:30

try. But yeah, that hasn't

42:32

happened to me. Everyone

42:35

has been so kind and so nice. I

42:37

love my community. I've been having a great time.

42:39

I always feel like I'm minimizing this, but

42:41

like, if this is the worst of my worries,

42:43

I'm very happy. Yeah, I mean, it sucks,

42:45

but yeah. I think it's also one of those

42:47

things too where like, of course those things

42:49

stick out to us more, but there are so

42:51

many kind and thoughtful and like completely respectful

42:54

comments. It's just that when you read somebody being

42:56

like, wow, this video is great. And then

42:58

you read someone being like, I want to censor

43:00

your censored, censored. Then it's like one of

43:02

those things sticks in your memory more. I'm

43:05

very happy with my comments, but of course, when

43:07

you reach a certain amount of people,

43:09

it always happens. All of this information

43:11

is extremely important in these experiences that

43:13

you're both having are really powerful. Do

43:16

you think that that might be part of

43:18

why there is a noticeable lack in the

43:20

TTRPG YouTube community regarding the amount of FEM

43:22

presenting and POC creators? Obviously, it's

43:24

more complex than that, but do you think

43:26

that that's part of it? Or are there

43:28

other attributes that you think are kind of... Making

43:31

this a little bit more of a

43:33

problem than it otherwise would be if

43:35

it were a more welcoming space and

43:37

before you answer I can also she's

43:39

not here right now Unfortunately, she wasn't

43:41

feeling well so she can come to

43:43

the interview but live who used to

43:45

be on dice breaker. I know for

43:47

a fact just got like torn apart

43:49

as a black woman in the comments.

43:51

People, it was bad. Even

43:53

as far as women go, it was

43:56

another level because there were other, she was

43:58

getting it from like all angles at

44:00

that point. People were like, yeah, it was

44:02

really bad. All transgressions are the worst

44:04

thing that could ever happen and nothing is

44:06

forgiven and everything is the worst possible

44:08

thing that could ever do. And it's definitely

44:10

not because of race and it's definitely

44:12

not because of gender, I swear. so

44:15

strongly that this thing that your co

44:17

-workers are doing on the regular, when

44:20

you do it, it's so bad. Yeah,

44:22

it's, I definitely think that there is

44:24

a level to which like the criticism

44:26

is stronger, the negative comments are, they

44:28

come earlier and more frequently. And

44:30

I also think that there is

44:32

an element of like, I know that

44:34

my experience has been when I

44:36

was not very successful on YouTube, I

44:39

just didn't really get, people didn't really

44:41

notice me and then once I did get

44:43

successful on YouTube people would tell me

44:46

I was only successful because I'm a woman

44:48

even though there are very few other

44:50

women succeeding on tabletop YouTube so it's like

44:52

if it's that easy then like why

44:54

are these other female creators not not You

44:56

know up there amongst the most popular

44:58

channels I think people like both they are

45:00

they in my experience as a woman

45:02

if you if they don't find you attractive

45:04

They don't want to watch you on

45:06

camera and if they do find you attractive

45:08

That's the only reason that you're popular

45:10

and nothing that you say matters and like

45:12

it's just this catch -22 of like do

45:14

you do you make sure that you

45:16

look nice so that they will watch you

45:18

or do you Try not to cater

45:20

to that and then just don't get any

45:22

viewers. And I know that that's just

45:24

the, specifically my experience as a

45:26

woman, but I know there's a million different

45:28

versions of that for every kind of marginalized group.

45:30

I can also imagine that if you don't

45:32

try and like doll yourself up, you also get

45:34

aggressive comments negatively about your appearance. Oh,

45:36

I cannot tell you how many times I've been told, if

45:39

I don't wear makeup, I look tired, I look

45:41

sick, or they'll say, oh God, please put the

45:43

makeup back on. If I do wear makeup, then

45:45

how can you even, how do you blink with

45:47

your eyelashes being that heavy or whatever the nonsense.

45:49

that people will decide to say about how I

45:51

look. It's always about how I look. The only

45:53

way that it's not about how I look is

45:55

if I somehow strike the perfect balance of like

45:58

natural makeup so that they can look past it and

46:00

listen to what I have to say, in which

46:02

case I'm wrong about it because I can't possibly know

46:04

about D &D because I'm a woman. Yes.

46:06

What you said, Antonio, is

46:08

absolutely true. Because I think it's

46:11

one of those talking about

46:13

misogyny and racism and other sorts

46:15

of bigotry. I think we

46:17

tend to think of it as a

46:19

person is actively sitting there thinking, wow,

46:21

I sure do hate women. That doesn't.

46:23

I was going to say, that doesn't

46:26

happen. Yes it does. Yes it

46:28

does, there's some rules out there. There's some rules

46:30

out there. But most of the time, you're right, yeah.

46:32

Yeah, most of the time it doesn't manifest that

46:34

way. I think if you were to ask most of

46:36

those people, they would tell you that they're not

46:38

misogynist. And not only that, but what they're saying isn't

46:40

misogynist. We're talking

46:42

about people who have not examined their own

46:44

biases and are not even aware that

46:46

they have them. They think that if this

46:49

exists, it is an extreme evil. It

46:51

cannot simply be inside of me and I

46:53

haven't noticed because I grew up in

46:55

a society that grew up in a society

46:57

that makes me this way or that

46:59

like it rather leads me towards being this

47:01

way. I can't possibly. So I think

47:03

it's a real self -justification and it puts

47:06

minority creators in sort of an impossible position

47:08

because if you try to say something

47:10

about it, then they're like, oh, you're just

47:12

whining, blah, blah, blah, you're just out

47:14

here trying to get sympathy. And

47:16

you're trying to play, if you're a person of

47:18

color, for example, you try to play the race card,

47:20

things like that. Or, and if you

47:22

say nothing about it, then you just have

47:24

to take it endlessly. Endlessly being

47:27

the key term there, it's

47:29

like never ending. Ginny, you

47:31

are no stranger to YouTube. Like

47:33

Antonio, you've been around. Both of you

47:35

have history with this platform and the

47:37

fact that you are still receiving those

47:39

comments, like you'd think people would exhaust. themselves,

47:42

right? That there'd be some kind

47:44

of end date. Yeah, it is

47:46

absolutely never -ending. Ginny, what

47:48

you said about trying to strike the

47:50

perfect balance of your look and how

47:52

you talk, right? How you speak, how

47:54

you hold yourself and present yourself. Like,

47:56

I feel like that's something that a

47:59

lot of femme creators deal with and

48:01

trying to understand, like, how much makeup

48:03

is too much makeup? Is the quality

48:05

of my makeup going to undercut their

48:07

respect for me because it looks like

48:09

that's what I'm actually good at. I've

48:11

experienced that just as a performer, not

48:13

even somebody who's supposed to be

48:15

an authority on any particular TTRPG subject,

48:17

but I've had to prove myself

48:20

both in and out of the

48:22

community to people because I like makeup.

48:24

I'm somebody who finds makeup to

48:26

be an aesthetic expression of my

48:28

inner person. It's not

48:30

something that I'm trying to trick people

48:32

with. I'm not trying to get gussied up

48:34

and pretend I'm something I'm not, or

48:36

whatever, right? I'm not the hot person at

48:39

the table that be taken seriously. But

48:41

that's exactly how you're treated. And people, to

48:44

Jeremy's point, people are not only unaware

48:46

of this bias, but feel justified. in

48:48

it because they think that they are

48:50

on some kind of like holy order

48:52

or something like that from like the

48:54

nerd gods to like keep the Sanctity

48:56

of the hobby alive because you need

48:58

real people that are into this man

49:00

Right as though being fem or being

49:02

queer or being black or any kind

49:05

of marginalization and being a nerd just

49:07

boots on the ground not on YouTube

49:09

in your everyday life is easy Walking

49:11

into a comic shop and being noticeably

49:13

queer noticeably trans noticeably fem It

49:15

is not easy, right? It is not

49:17

easy. Sometimes depending on where you are, the

49:19

record scratches and everybody just stares at

49:21

you. I remember the first time I ever

49:23

played Magic the Gathering at like an

49:25

actual shop. I won my first three because

49:27

the person across from me, like the

49:29

guy across me was just like boobs the

49:31

whole time. And I'm there like.

49:33

And see, that's why much easier for

49:36

you as a female nerd. Obviously.

49:39

You know, it's interesting because I think Antonio

49:41

has a really good take on this,

49:43

I think, in that I have talked in

49:45

the past sometimes about things like sexism

49:47

in D &D. And I remember when I

49:49

wrote a video that specifically talked about sexism

49:51

in D &D, Antonio gave me some very,

49:53

very helpful advice on sort of how

49:55

to address that in a way that's not

49:57

going to get me attacked. I don't

49:59

know if you want to speak to that,

50:01

Antonio. Yeah. One

50:07

of the things, and listen, if this is

50:09

your take, That's fine. But one of the things

50:11

that I don't like from progressive spaces or

50:13

like one of the things that I'm never like,

50:15

I never love for progressive spaces is I'm

50:17

not here to educate you. I understand

50:19

where that comes from, from like, if

50:21

you're walking down the street, you know

50:23

I mean? But if you are like

50:25

in any sort of like platform thing,

50:28

you know, here's my response to that is we're like,

50:30

you know, who's there to educate them though? Can

50:33

you guess? Can you guess who is there?

50:35

Do you guess who is like so down to

50:37

educate them? I bet that you don't like

50:39

them that much. So I come from like the

50:41

school of like content creation. Uh,

50:43

by the way, I've been doing this three years,

50:45

so I wouldn't call it a school, but

50:47

like the people that I like talked, uh, that

50:49

like basically taught me content creation by making

50:51

it and me watching it. It's people like Lindsay

50:54

Ellis, people like, uh, control points, Jane Nicholson,

50:56

like I'm talking people that were like red tubers.

50:58

The, yeah, the insufferable nickname that we gave

51:00

that group, but, uh, that sort of. To

51:02

me, that take of like, there is a

51:04

way to reach, and I'm not talking about like

51:06

Nazis, there is a way to reach the

51:08

middle. You know I mean? There is 100 %

51:10

of a way to reach the middle. And

51:13

it's hard. And

51:15

it could like, there, to me,

51:17

the easiest way there is

51:19

through humor. It's through a way

51:21

to like, find a way

51:23

to make basically like, What

51:26

do you call it again? Like the, whatever

51:28

Mary Poppins said. Oh, the

51:30

medicine? medicine? Oh, the medicine? Go

51:33

smoothly, I believe, that she said, just like Mary Poppins

51:35

said. But I think that my take, when I have to

51:37

talk about one of these topics, and it's not like

51:39

no one's putting a gun to my head, I want to

51:41

talk about one of these topics. I, for example, did

51:43

a video on Orcs where, to me, it was impossible not

51:45

to talk about this. You mean? My

51:47

take on that is like there is

51:49

a way to like pass this message

51:51

to a crowd that might not know

51:54

that they're willing to hear it. And

51:56

it's through humor. It's through like it's

51:58

there is through finding a way to

52:00

not come off as sanctimonious to find

52:02

a way to explain your point in

52:04

a way that is actually likely to

52:06

be heard by someone that wants to

52:08

hear it rather than speaking to your

52:10

own base as American politics love to

52:12

say. You know I mean? And

52:15

that's at least when I tackle these

52:17

topics. That's exactly how I wanna do

52:19

it. You can see,

52:21

it's so funny, cause like you can

52:23

see the evolution of my approach. And

52:25

once again, I'm like the baby as

52:28

YouTuber around. I'm like one of the

52:30

younger ones in the D &D space. Not

52:32

younger in terms of, I'm a beautiful

52:34

30, but youngest in time spent in

52:36

the platform. Ginny is like a veteran.

52:39

But to me, I made a video

52:41

about elves where I talk about drow

52:43

and I talked about drow, how I

52:45

talk with my friends, even like a

52:47

lesser extent. Like I pulled my punches

52:49

there. It's to date, the

52:51

video with the most dislikes. And

52:54

then years later, I did the video

52:56

on Orcs and a thousand times smoother and

52:59

I got everything I wanted to say

53:01

about it. And it's because

53:03

I packaged the same message in a completely

53:05

different package. rumor. It's

53:07

through levity. It's through a way of like

53:09

talking in an interesting way. I don't know

53:11

if like that that's what you wanted me

53:13

like no, that's that's exactly what I meant

53:15

because when I was working on my video

53:17

about gender about role -playing across gender in D

53:19

&D I knew that there's no way to

53:21

talk about that without addressing like the long

53:23

history of sexism in D &D, in D &D

53:25

spaces in the game itself. But

53:27

I very much didn't want to

53:29

come off like, especially because I think

53:31

as a woman, the minute I

53:33

start talking about gender in D &D,

53:35

I just think that people are like,

53:37

oh, here go the crazy blue

53:39

haired feminist complaining about sexism again. And

53:41

it's very easy for me to

53:43

come off as like lecturing or whining

53:45

or whatever, sanctimonious, which, you know,

53:47

in my native state, I am very...

53:49

absolutely will lecture about sexism. That

53:51

is a thing that I would love

53:53

to do. I remember

53:55

that you went through that script with

53:57

me and helped me identify portions that

54:00

came off like I was delivering like

54:02

a college lecture and helped me sort

54:04

of reformat those things into more lighthearted

54:06

ways to say the same thing, but

54:08

in a way that doesn't feel like

54:10

my audience is in trouble for it,

54:12

you know? Like it doesn't feel like

54:14

the person who's watching this is getting

54:16

yelled at. Instead, it feels like, oh,

54:18

you and I, we both know that

54:20

this thing is a problem and we

54:22

can sort of talk about in a

54:24

little bit of a tongue -in -cheek way

54:26

that brings attention to it, but doesn't

54:28

make viewers feel like they're getting in

54:30

trouble, basically. And it was much more

54:32

well -received than I thought it would

54:34

be. I'm so grateful for your help

54:36

on that video. I love to do

54:38

it. In any point, I'm like,

54:40

if it's riffing and coming up with jokes, that's

54:42

my favorite thing. But I think that I

54:44

can see the criticism from someone left when it

54:46

was like, oh, so we have to be

54:48

mindful of bigot's feelings. I'm like, well, not everybody's

54:50

a bigot that doesn't agree with you. And

54:52

secondly, If you want to convince them, then

54:54

yes. You do have to be mindful of that. You do

54:56

have to be mindful of how you're coming across. And there's

54:58

crusade against optics. I don't think it's doing us any good. I

55:02

remember that script. We

55:04

never took a point out.

55:08

Every single point was just packaged

55:10

in a way where it would

55:12

just reach. And I think that

55:14

video did amazing. And hate

55:16

comments were basically no. Yeah,

55:18

I mean, there's always gonna be a

55:20

few but yeah, of course it was

55:22

much better. Yeah, it was normal amount

55:25

of hate, which is the gender video

55:27

incredible The one that we all need

55:29

I can definitely see where you guys

55:31

are coming from there I think it's

55:33

it's really down to a balance a

55:35

lot of times the argument in favor

55:37

of not caring about the feelings of

55:39

bigots is mainly because it feels like

55:42

Minority groups are being given the burden

55:44

of having to spend all of their

55:46

time and energy to present them to

55:48

to tamp down their feelings, their very

55:50

justified feelings of rage and hurt and

55:52

sadness, to try and package it in

55:54

a way that is palatable to the

55:56

people that hold bigoted views against them.

55:59

I think that there absolutely is an

56:01

argument to be said that, yes, in

56:03

some cases, we absolutely should go hard

56:05

in the paint and not pull punches,

56:07

but I also do agree that in

56:09

some circumstances, it can be far more

56:11

effective to come in more of a

56:13

friendly way. I think that's, to some

56:15

extent, this show has managed to avoid

56:18

getting the degree of hate that I

56:20

would have expected. Even with the OGL

56:22

thing, we published one of the first

56:24

interviews with that. That was the one

56:26

that really kicked off because people were

56:28

mad about a question that we asked

56:30

Kyle Brink about the over -representation of white

56:32

men in the leadership of D &D.

56:35

What I noticed was in almost every

56:37

single case that I saw people making

56:39

videos about that or even commenting about

56:41

it, almost none of them even mentioned

56:43

us. A podcast. I was very surprised

56:45

that they'd show the question and they

56:47

wouldn't be like, now there's stupid idiot

56:49

here, blah, blah, blah. They'd just focus

56:52

on him. And I was like, oh

56:54

dang, okay, I've been very surprised by

56:56

that. But if I may, I'd like

56:58

to share a little bit of a

57:00

personal anecdote from my life growing up.

57:02

I grew up in a very, very

57:04

conservative environment, religious environment as well. And

57:06

so when I went to college was

57:08

the first time I actually really spent

57:11

time around anybody who openly identified as

57:13

queer or openly identified as feminist. over

57:16

time as I started, when I was

57:18

initially exposed to some ideas, it was

57:20

in the context of people of that

57:22

marginalized group talking to other people from

57:24

that marginalized group in an angry way

57:27

about people who were outside of it.

57:29

And I was like, what? Like, I

57:31

was very confused. I think the first

57:33

time that transness really came up on

57:35

my radar was a post from a

57:37

friend of mine who had gone to,

57:39

I think, a queer conference in Atlanta

57:42

and took a picture, was like, thanks,

57:44

gendered bathroom for giving me a nice

57:46

little hook in this bathroom to hang

57:48

my purse. And I was like... What?

57:50

Wouldn't you want to hang? I was

57:52

so confused because I'd never heard the

57:55

phrase gendered bathroom before. I was baffled.

57:57

But, and there was a period in

57:59

time when as a fan of YouTube,

58:01

as a long time fan of YouTube,

58:03

I was kind of beginning

58:05

to head down the alt -right pipeline

58:07

in like the early to mid

58:09

2010s. But it was actually speaking of

58:12

Lindsay Ellis, creators like her that

58:14

when I, cause I'd been a fan

58:16

of like the nostalgia critic from

58:18

way back in the day. I

58:20

look back at teenage me and I'm

58:22

like, Hey man. We gotta have conversation.

58:24

My biggest flex is I was never

58:26

a fan of the nostalgia critic, but

58:28

I was a fan of the nostalgia

58:31

chick from the beginning. I will take

58:33

every opportunity to remind people of that.

58:36

Actually, when you were talking about trying

58:38

to form more of like a community

58:40

amongst D &D and TTRPG YouTubers, I was

58:42

like, it's like a better version of

58:44

channel. Awesome. You say that to us.

58:49

But yeah, I like those

58:51

kinds of videos that were

58:53

education. Lindsay Ellis did a video

58:55

series called the whole plate where she was at

58:57

I love really, really good. ate the whole plane.

58:59

I ate the whole plane. Yeah. She ate. She

59:01

ate with that. She absolutely did eat the whole

59:03

plane. And it was talking

59:05

about the Transformers movies, but examining them

59:07

through different critical lenses, including feminism.

59:10

And she was looking at it from

59:12

both feminism as it relates to

59:14

the men and feminism as it relates

59:16

to the women and how they

59:18

are depicted. And I was like, whoa,

59:20

like videos like that and other

59:22

Lindsay Alice adjacent creators really helped to

59:24

open my mind and shift my

59:26

perspective and I do agree that in

59:28

some cases it can really really

59:31

be in fact in a lot of

59:33

cases can really really be helpful

59:35

to come to stuff that is to

59:37

encounter something that is of a

59:39

different perspective, but is not telling you

59:41

that you are Satan for having

59:43

the perspective that you already have. Because

59:45

even if the perspective you have

59:47

is bad and harmful, you may not

59:50

be aware of the degree to

59:52

which it is bad and harmful. And

59:54

it can be kind of a

59:56

shock and even potentially offensive if

59:58

you're told about it in the

1:00:01

wrong way. Yeah, I think that

1:00:03

for for what my experience has

1:00:05

been is that if I lean

1:00:07

too hard into speaking specifically to

1:00:09

the worst of people My work

1:00:11

gets so defensive and so it

1:00:13

does a less good job reaching

1:00:16

most people if I target my work at

1:00:18

a very narrow slice of people that

1:00:20

are especially negative and that's this comes not

1:00:23

just from the perspective of like talking

1:00:25

about marginalization or like talking about feminism but

1:00:27

even just like there was a time

1:00:29

when I was when I was writing videos

1:00:31

I kept thinking what are the like

1:00:33

hardcore D &D mechanics guys gonna be complaining

1:00:35

about that I didn't cover in this video

1:00:37

and that shifted my videos towards this

1:00:39

very defensive very like unpleasant space that the

1:00:42

average person was gonna be put off

1:00:44

by the way that I was talking I

1:00:46

was like giving so many disclaimers and

1:00:48

like making like little jokes about like the

1:00:50

mean shit people were gonna say about

1:00:52

me and then eventually I was like why

1:00:54

am I writing my videos to the

1:00:56

worst people like I want to be targeting

1:00:59

my work towards like most people who

1:01:01

are who are pretty chill. And I think

1:01:03

that you can think about that from

1:01:05

the perspective of like, when I was talking

1:01:07

about sexism, I was like, I don't,

1:01:09

I know that nothing I say is going

1:01:11

to reach the people who are like,

1:01:13

women are evil. Like those people

1:01:16

are not even, I shouldn't even be thinking

1:01:18

about those people because nothing I do

1:01:20

or say will make a difference to them.

1:01:22

Instead, I should be targeting what I'm

1:01:24

saying at people who maybe like haven't thought

1:01:26

about it that way before. Like there

1:01:28

a lot of people in the D &D

1:01:30

space who, if they are not a woman,

1:01:32

or have not had an in -depth conversation with a

1:01:34

woman in this space, they might genuinely

1:01:37

not realize that there, like, is casual

1:01:39

sexism, a ton, in D &D. And if

1:01:41

I can bring that up to them in

1:01:43

a way that's like, hey, did you

1:01:45

know? Isn't this crazy? Then maybe

1:01:47

they'll be more open to that than if

1:01:49

I come to the table and I'm like,

1:01:51

you are making women feel unwelcome in this

1:01:53

space. They're gonna be like, no, I'm not!

1:01:55

What? Shout out to friends of the show,

1:01:57

Slavenly Trolls, who are a feminist podcast, who

1:01:59

go into the issues with how D &D engages

1:02:01

with women and has engaged with women throughout

1:02:03

its history. It is unfair to ask the

1:02:06

regular marginalized person to be like, oh, make

1:02:08

sure you keep your oppressor's feelings of mind

1:02:10

every time you voice any concern. That is

1:02:12

not what I'm saying. What I'm saying, I

1:02:14

think. I'm not

1:02:16

sure. I haven't tracked with him. But what

1:02:18

I'm trying to say is, If your goal

1:02:20

is to convince, if your goal is

1:02:22

to increase the base, if your goal is

1:02:24

to like reach out, like there is

1:02:26

a way to do that and it is

1:02:28

not sanctioned money or sermon. You know

1:02:30

I mean? However, there is power in anger.

1:02:32

There's power in protest and there's certainly

1:02:34

power in media from the left for the

1:02:36

left. You know what mean? But what

1:02:38

I'm saying is. If you're doing a D

1:02:41

&D channel about how cool hags are, you

1:02:43

might be not there. Like you might

1:02:45

be in the, you might be in the

1:02:47

general populace sort of camp. And if

1:02:49

you find moments like we just talked about

1:02:51

where like it is time to talk

1:02:53

about one of these subjects and put like,

1:02:55

and you're not like a coward and

1:02:57

you're like, I want to talk about what

1:02:59

I believe in politics. There is a

1:03:01

way to do that. And there is a

1:03:03

way to, well, there's many ways to

1:03:05

do that. There's, I will, I will say

1:03:07

there's a particularly effective way to do

1:03:09

that. And like. you said what reached you

1:03:11

was like that sort of content. Like

1:03:13

it's the transformer video that also talked about

1:03:15

gender. It wasn't a seminar, you know

1:03:18

I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Shout

1:03:20

out to legal kimchi, a YouTube creative

1:03:22

color who does a lot of videos on

1:03:24

these topics and also friend at the

1:03:26

show. Yeah. So,

1:03:28

oh man, I actually, I really enjoy

1:03:30

talking about this sort of thing. I

1:03:32

know that we had more questions on

1:03:34

this subject, but we're running out of

1:03:36

time. So, yeah, maybe we can hang

1:03:38

out another time and talk about this, because I'm

1:03:40

really interested in hearing more of your guys' perspectives

1:03:42

on these issues. Whenever you want. I had

1:03:44

a glass. Amazing. Yes, shockingly, as

1:03:46

YouTubers, we do love to talk. Yeah,

1:03:50

what's up with that? Same

1:03:52

thing for podcasters, weirdly. We're

1:03:54

so much in common. Yeah, for

1:03:57

the folks out there, Ginny and

1:03:59

Antonio, where can they find

1:04:01

Dragon Week when it finally comes

1:04:03

out? And when is it? When

1:04:05

is Dragon Week? Where can they

1:04:07

find it? In the twilight between

1:04:09

consciousness and sleep. Just love. Perfect,

1:04:11

yeah. Love

1:04:13

the jokes, also reality. Whisper

1:04:16

the words, Antonio and Ginny, three times

1:04:18

as you drift off. to sleep and you

1:04:21

will find yourself in Dragon Week. You

1:04:23

can find Monster Week if you go to

1:04:25

the Pointy Hat channel or if you

1:04:27

go to the GinnyD channel. You

1:04:29

will find us there promoting it. We have the

1:04:31

own Monster Week channel. We also will not shut

1:04:33

up about it in all of our socials. It

1:04:36

is a little bit hard to find the Monster

1:04:38

Week channel just because it's such a young channel

1:04:40

that if you type Monster Week in the YouTube

1:04:42

search, you will not find it, which is why

1:04:44

I'm directing people to them. Do you have like

1:04:46

a specific way that you want to promote it,

1:04:48

Ginny? Oh, no, no, you're right. Just in the

1:04:50

descriptions of of our videos, there will be links

1:04:52

to the playlist, the official Monster Week playlist, and

1:04:54

that will take you to the Monster Week channel,

1:04:56

where there is a playlist for every single day

1:04:58

of the week. The week is right now. When

1:05:01

we are recording this, it is Wednesday, the

1:05:03

23rd. The week ends the 25th, Friday. So

1:05:06

by the time this comes out, I

1:05:08

think it will be pretty much wrapping

1:05:10

up. But you can find each day's

1:05:12

playlist on that channel if you want

1:05:14

to go through and watch just like

1:05:16

30 to 40 videos a day about

1:05:18

dragons, which who doesn't? There is a

1:05:20

very secret code. If you watch all

1:05:22

of them, you will find

1:05:24

a secret code. And

1:05:26

just let us know what the code is and we'll

1:05:28

be like, yeah, that was it. But you gotta watch

1:05:30

all of them. We'll send you the horde. We'll send

1:05:33

it to you. You gotta watch

1:05:35

all of them though. will receive a real dragon. The

1:05:38

male. If you watch all two

1:05:40

to three hundred videos, all several

1:05:42

hundred hours of content and are

1:05:44

able to piece the code together.

1:05:47

And that is a legally binding

1:05:49

statement by Jeremy and not Jimmy

1:05:51

or... Honestly,

1:05:53

if you can show me proof, I

1:05:55

will personally pay for a

1:05:57

therapy session for you. If somebody

1:06:00

wanted to follow you away

1:06:02

from YouTube, where could people

1:06:04

find you? You can pretty much just

1:06:06

search GinnyD, anywhere on any social platform

1:06:08

and you will find me. Not a

1:06:10

lot of people have this name, either

1:06:12

of those names, G -I -N

1:06:14

-N -Y and D -I, like Princess Di, but not

1:06:16

pronounced like Di because then it sounds like

1:06:18

a... scary imperative. just

1:06:22

a Halloween. That's where you can find me. I'm everywhere.

1:06:24

You can find me on Pointy Hat Studios on YouTube. Pointy

1:06:27

Hat, if you type Pointy Hat, I'll come up if you are

1:06:29

in the D &D space. If you have never heard of what

1:06:31

a D &D is and you still want to check me out, why,

1:06:33

don't do it. But if you do, just type Pointy Hat D

1:06:35

&D, you'll find me. If not,

1:06:37

I'm on Anto D 'Amico. I know that that's

1:06:39

hard, but I believe in you. Anto D

1:06:41

'Amico is somewhere. I'm there on, unfortunately, Twitter,

1:06:43

but I'm also on Blue Sky. I'm also

1:06:45

on, that's pretty much it. But

1:06:47

that's my a real human name and my actual,

1:06:49

the theme that matters that because it has subscribers

1:06:52

to it at this point you had. Everybody, please

1:06:54

absolutely go check out Dragon Week. It's gonna be

1:06:56

sick. I didn't even realize you'd released your video,

1:06:58

Jenny. I'm gonna have to watch it after this.

1:07:00

Thanks. Candice, Candice, where can folks

1:07:02

find you? on the internet. People can find me

1:07:04

at the Candice Marie on Twitter and Blue

1:07:06

Sky and at Candice Magnificent pretty much everywhere

1:07:08

else. If you want to hear

1:07:10

more of my work, check out the new

1:07:12

video game by Pocket Watch Games called Monaco

1:07:14

2. I play Una the Brute. And you

1:07:16

can also hear me on the podcast Partial

1:07:18

Vale and Bloom and Blight. And you can

1:07:20

find me on Twitter, but mostly Blue Sky

1:07:22

these days at Jeremy Cobb 1. That's Cobb

1:07:24

with two B's and the number one. I

1:07:26

also occasionally appear on Instagram at the Cobb

1:07:28

Meister. And you can

1:07:30

actually see me streaming. various

1:07:32

TT RPGs soon, I'm actually

1:07:35

gonna be playing with Candice as

1:07:37

part of the BIPOC Star Wars

1:07:39

event on May the 1st. Candice,

1:07:41

what system are you running?

1:07:43

I'm running Savage Worlds. Yeah!

1:07:46

And I'm playing a

1:07:48

repurposed HK droid. And

1:07:51

I am also running an Alien RPG

1:07:53

game as part of that same event. That's

1:07:55

right, if you've ever wanted to hear

1:07:57

Alien in Star Wars, This is your opportunity.

1:08:00

I'm gonna be running on May the 4th

1:08:02

as part of that event with an

1:08:04

incredible cast. So please tune in for both

1:08:06

of those streams And we

1:08:08

have to keep plugging it. You know

1:08:10

it, you love it. It's the City

1:08:12

of the Black Rose source book. We

1:08:14

are in the process. I don't know when this

1:08:16

is coming out exactly, but I believe we are

1:08:18

still in the lead up to the Kickstarter launching.

1:08:21

Absolutely go check that out if you're

1:08:23

a fan of either of our City

1:08:25

of the Black Rose AP series or

1:08:27

you just like fantasy, gothic horror, noir, if

1:08:31

you like urban fantasy, any of those things.

1:08:33

Absolutely go check out the source book. It's going

1:08:35

to be slyuck. Shout out to our friends

1:08:37

at Role of Play Press who are doing the

1:08:39

book with us. Oh

1:08:41

boy, do I have anything else to plug? I

1:08:43

think that's everything. Do you have any last

1:08:45

words before we end the episode? Nothing. You guys

1:08:47

do so much. Those are my last words.

1:08:49

That's it. The The Feds are descending. Okay, it's

1:08:51

time to say. So long Shirefolk. so long

1:08:53

Shirefolk. Bye. So long. Bye. Bye. Bye. That

1:09:39

was a hit gun podcast.